T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the USGS just doubled the amount of recoverable oil in the bakken shale to 7.4 billion barrels out of the estimated 600 billion barrels of oil in place.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that the mexican part of the eagle ford shale has around 100 billion barrels of oil, unknown amount is recoverable, since mexico's pemex isnt test drilling yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle ford shale stretches from northern mexico to dallas texas to western louisiana.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'so You're saying that the mexican half of eagle ford has invested assets into company that technically doesn't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'underneath the eagle ford shale under dallas is also the barnett shale, one of the largest deposits of natgas in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pemex exists, it is the mexican govts oil company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what does 'shale' mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a type of rock and geologic formation that can contain lots of natgas and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'under the eagle ford shale in eastern Texas, and western Lousiana is also the haynesville shale.....another huge deposit of natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps california will get half a brain and start developing that huge shale oil deposit under the central valley.  An estimated 6-12 billion barrels recoverable in a field of 300 billion barrels or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california will go bankrupt before control can be wrested from the mad socialists'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ADD, ADHD, Autism, Aspergers, OC......'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Christie is building 127 miles of sand dune to prevent the flooding caused when he takes his fat lard arse out swimming'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's good to be the king'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, nice to see -he- isn't going without food ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody in america goes without food'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone eats'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody goes without food who puts in minimal effort'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be immigrants, drug addicts, victims who go without'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the poorest US homeless person lives like a king compared to the poor in other countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even really need minimal effort... except maybe to haul yer fat ass down to the court house and apply for food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we're disagreeing on the substantive argument, was pointing out the specifics'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are people in the UK that go hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those people you list are suffering from afflictions other than hunger, tiger... if you have no stomach, throat, mouth, touge or teeth,... then ya.. you likely go hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are loads of people, especially elderly people who have to choose between eating, and heating'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'americans have to chose between McDonalds and Burger king'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would the situation there be if you applied UK-like living costs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you see someone on american tv say "We's need mo food stamps cus we's hungry", what their really saying is "we need more food stamps so that we can eat at KFC three meals a day instead of only two."'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we can see you're pretty much the opposite of a bleeding-heart liberal :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a huge difference in expectations between the british and americans... americans have become "entitled" where as the british will "suck it up"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, that's not true at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stoic, vs bitchy whiners'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we started welfare/entitlement before you guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I hope so... you've been around longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got now households where there is now a third succesive generation of a family who has never worked'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you refer to the "dole" as its called in the UK, you are talking about sustinence... enought to get by.. in the US, there is an "entitlement" to a certain level of quality of life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're largely the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, there are 9 states where the wage-equivilent of the welfare is MORE than the national average salary for teachers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really have to ask, what're you basing your opinion on, Von? A few news snippets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a different system. unemployment benefit is tiny here (fixed amount) but there are also payments for housing, kids etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'non-workers in the US feel entitled to a middle/middle-low quality of life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't your wage-equivalent welfare also time-limited?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'dole in the UK is time limited TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, swalec, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where as in the UK, if you don't work, you will live, but you will not live well.  there is less expectation of a moderate quality of life'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, TN, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? i guess i don't actually know people who've been on jobseekers for 6 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Again, Von, you're making some pretty broad and sweeping generalizations here. What're you basing them on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that be because you are not understanding the distinction between the different benefits'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'can get dole in england forever'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with pushing the strawman argument?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where the UK is concerned, not much more than life-experience... where the US system is concerned, there are plenty of stats to support my general comments'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That people feel entitled to a middle-lower class life? Seems like an oddly specific statistic, I'd love to see it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Contribution based is based only on your National Insurance contributions and takes no account of savings or your partner's earnings etc. This is only paid for a maximum of 26 weeks. Income based JSA is a means tested 'poverty benefit' and depends on your savings and household income. you can stay on this for a long as you qualify, so unless you get alternative income or get a job you continue to qualify. There is no set length of time for Income Based JSA and you can remain on it until you find work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i accept your apology'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next witness, please'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for example, the comment about the teachs wages vs welfare wages can be found at the CATO institure:  http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa240es.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'just so -- so non means tested JSA --- equivalent to the what used to be called unemployment benefit -- is time limited to a maximum of 26 weeks. Note this is a max -- last time I was UB40, I got, well, none.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the record, vonliege, if teachers get, say 66% of their previous salary in unemployment for a fixed length of time, subject to contributions they've made over a long period, that's really a good idea and how it's supposed to work'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm not interested in that one, I can firmly believe that one to be true without seeing the statistic. I want to see the one that validates your generalizations that all poor people in America just want to eat at KFC 3 times a day, and all feel entitled to middle-class lifestyles.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were in UB40? cool!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for the middle-low class life style, that comment is based on how states set benifit levels.  each state is a bit different, of course, but for the most part, they set benifits based on just below middle class incomes for the area'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, TN, I used to play the bass'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So, it's based on what the government did? How is that a reflection on what the poor expect?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the KFC comment was all me.  Pisses me off to see someone in line in front of me buying a 13 piece bucket of extra crispy  with an EBT card and eating it all themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's more a reflection on what government feels they should provide, which is vastly different.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, yes, there are lazy assholes that want to have everything handed to them, but my beef with your argument is in its attempt to apply that to every person living in poverty in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm sorry, i like the idea of a contributions based welfare payment that is time limited and based upon your contributions'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a safety net looks like'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish our system here was more like that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Here's something that can not be quanitfied with statistics or facts... so I will just claim it as my own:  There is no SHAME in america today.  Where previous generations would have accepted food stamps with shame, and do their damdest to get off them, todays americans will take and take and call those who work suckers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it always like that, and if not, how do YOU think it got there? By what mechanism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'anything can be quantified with stats Von -- what you mean is "here is a statement for which I have no evidence"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, a safety net has to catch people who have not made any contribution yet also, otherwise its not a safety net'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... I never tried to present it as fact.  I claimed it as my own opinion... if calling it "no evidence" make you feel better, so be it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree, Swalec, but a safety net might mean some people being paid more than others, at least initially'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, well that happens now TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i was defending it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't happen here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, I mean, in the UK -- this is why when I was last on the dole, I couldn't get any time back'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is welfare being used to support low paid jobs, which is crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I went straight onto supplementary benefit (which shows my age)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Canada is a little like that. Our Federal Employment Insurance is tied to the wage you earned in the position you were fired from. You can't claim it if you quit or were fired with good reason, but it'll pay like 60% of your previous wage for a period of 6 - 12 months. I've never used it so I'm not clear on all the details, but it's nice to have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm coming around to some (left wing?) people who suggest that the minimum wage should be racked up to some $15 an hour'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, TN, it is a problem -- like many of the current generation I funded by education partly through the DSS'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unfortunately even that gets abused by seasonal workers who work through the summer, then sit on their ass over the winter collecting EI every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to also see "kids" (and the choice to have them) taken out of the welfare equation, it's crazy to encourage the welfare masses to breed'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, yes, that is true, but then a dumb decision to have kids should not necessary result in the kids living in extreme poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a few workarounds, such as encouraging contraceptive implants, possibly even mandating them for receiving welfare'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The Catholics would freak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It'd never work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have many catholics'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You only need a few to cause an issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an alternative would be forced adoption if you signed a waiver'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i prefer just moving away from child-related benefits. I'd much rather the money spent on better services for kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more nursery care, better schools, free higher education'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free school meals and free school uniform'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Can't argue with the intentions of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undermines those freaks on welfare that spend all the kiddy benefits on xbox, fags, booze, skytv'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guarantees the kids clothing and a meal a day'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but the xbox is a powerful contraceptive'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not effective enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the solutions require leaving the EU, though, so that's the first step'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'buuut..what about the poor EU bureaucrats? Think about the employment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nazi Merkel can shove it up her fascist arse'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she just wants what's best for Germany'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the impoverishment, enslavement, and conquering of Europe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a stronger economy that most of europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats the cause of the collapse, not justification for it's continuance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if economic dominence can't be an objective of government... that what's the point of government?  or coutries, for that matter?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true neocon, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i so wish you were kidding'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not just have gang up on germany, spill their treasury into the back alleys and side streets of "impoverished" europe and be done with it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany (and a little bit of france) is about the only thing keeping the EU afloat.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can dismantle germany, and have a big party, but then it's over.  EU will be finished'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessary, just requires the countries in trouble to grow some balls and leave the EU - defaulting on the loans will harm Germany immensely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... take germany's money - then don't pay it back... that's a sure way to unite the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't need to feel guilty, the debts were caused in part by Germany in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a return to yesterdays discussion on the rich - all of europe resents germany becuse they are successful... rather than suceed themselves, their just going to tear down germany so everyone is in the gutter together'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the issue is at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. I side tracked it a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the countries of europe were "sold" an idea based on a lie'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole lie was sold in order to remove the sovereign power of members and centralise power and control with the european council. Germany being the most powerful monetary force means that they are largely in control of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is on record as being such. many of the articifers of the EU came out of soviet era East Germany and the USSR'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you said is a bit like berating vulnerable pensioners for being conned by confidence tricksters claiming that it's not the trickster's fault they're good at screwing people out of their life savings'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in that case, there is something bigger to correct the injustice - when countries are involved in correcting injustices, its called war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was over stated'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme see if I can re-phrase'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should take a look at your founding fathers, they knew full well what it was about and tried to put in place a CONSTITUTION that would give the people every tool/chance to prevent it from happening again, and solve the need for HAVING war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if government ultimatly failed, and fell into the rut of despotism... there was always the second ammendment to correctthe situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'maybe worth a mention- the soviet union bought alot of the nazi v2 rocket scientists. Its unbelievable.. The second world war was barely over and the allied superpowers were already turning their attention against one another '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we got Braun'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the neocons and neoliberals are so keen to get rid of that? Why do you think they want world governance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Patton wanted to keep going into russia after berlin'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'One man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that wouldn't have been a good idea... '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west had supported CashmyCheck isntead of Mao Zedong, things might have worked out differently'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think perhaps too. But that would depend more on the other players on the board '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first job is to try and convince Vonliege that the answer is not to bomb everyone/everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats what my answer would be'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would you bomb and why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'personally id start bomb random countried'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the worlds to populated as it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not helpful, Edicius'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that approach has made you guys plenty of friends already, not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'bombing would be more useful then steralization'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're talking crazy, when there is a perfectly reational discussion to be had'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is indicative of why I fear that humanity has no future, folks'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are good ways to prevent overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and killing is not one of them I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population is set to peak naturally around 2050'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's turn that to the "artificial negation of natural selection"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell memwhat you mean by "peak naturally"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'really cause peak kinda means meets its limitation where in the human race peak would be impossible'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'studies show family sizes get smaller worldwide as more of the developing world becomes more affluent. Western soceities already have populations at below-replacement levels'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'since there is a strong correlation between poverty and large family size one should fight poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because if you're talking "nature", humans left that along time ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, ElFeneri'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parts of the world are already overpopulated, and it is going to get worse'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it will get better'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poverty equals large familiy size because it is artificiall supported by social programs... roll back the clock a few centuries and see how large an empoverished family is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'plenty of room for everyone, mismanagement of resources causing problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'back then you needed a large family to farm corps take care of live stock all that stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more specifically, vonliege, large family size in the third world was caused by the very high death rate and need for workers'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id wish wed reform back to that time'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they have got to the point where the survival rate has gone up, there are more kids than their are land that can sustain them'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those farm families were not rich, but they were not empoverished, either... they had work to do, and product to contribute... I'm tlaking about the porch-sitter who does nothing but eat and fuck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be nice to go back to that, vl, but we have to play the hand we have'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the hand we have is shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if an event wiped out 90% of the population tomorrow, you really think the powers that be would allow people to go back to the land?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... but let's not pretend that we are doing anything "natural" here'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the powers the be own you'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, i am a slave'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there might be some room for new management if 90% got wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would just reset to "the strongest call the shots"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which leaves you in exactly the same situation we're in now, just with fewer people'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the establishment would still have all the cards and all the weapons, the status quo would be maintained'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'but if 10% survived more then likely the 10% are tptb'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which supports the point of view that this is just the human condition.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'two things must occur first.. 1. Global electricity must fail.. The global-village concept must be brought to its knees and the world must become a collection of divided factions. Nuclear bombs would create unnecessary radian'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed magus'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it could be overcome without a worldwide event, it would probably require sucession tho'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if that happened global meltdown and all that junk people are going to be fucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global meltdown is extremely unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'unless, the bombs are used to practically reset our past and all records thereof.. But considering the human nature, how many centuries would it take for us to return back here again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ill just stay inside for like a year'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'let the morons take care of each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"do nothing and hope there's a global catastrophe" doesn't sound like much of a plan to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'work towards a global catastrophy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'global temperature change due to increased volcanic activities would probably set off a disaster. Imagine what would happen if 50% of the crops failed on the northern hemisphere? It happened a few hundred years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't catastrophic'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and more recently during the dust bowl'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not then because there were much fewer ppl then'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but there was famine and lots of ppl died anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the instititutions would survive it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But we don't rely entirely on crops to feed us anymore. We have strange chemically-derived foods to do that for us now!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'artificial fertilizer has postponed future dust bowls, and smarter use of the farmland will keep them at bay.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing i can see working is setting up a ringfenced country where you can get back to what was originally intended'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'melting icecaps release a dorment virus to the world previously unknown killing millions upon millions possible?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"originally intended" by who and what standard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'uhm.. why would there be dormant viruses in icecaps?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'when looking at the hypothetical post-apocalypse, you have the understand the present day human.. The media, government and what what have suppressed humanity considerably. Think of man today and the model of the warrior man centuries ago. When in a new era, all the suppressed evils of man will be unchained and our evils will flourish..'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'darwinism will become the order of the day'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'darwinism is a good way of achieving nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, other than evolution TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evolution will not solve anything in our lifetime, by definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is room to examine social and economic evolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those "evolve" at a much faster rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only thing that matters is technoogical evolution, everything else happens too slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology doesn't overthrow tyranny nor prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back when... if you were poor, and too stupid or lame to survive, you perished... today, you sit on the porch and do nothing but eat and fuck'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'as a species, it will be bad in the short run but, if we survive, humanity will grow stronger. So if post-apocalypse humanity can evade the trap of monarchy, democracy and common strife, we may stand a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and for damn sure, keep the religious nuts out of it....we dont need another dark ages slowing us down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'praying for the apocalypse won't help'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'you don't pray for a flood when you see the dam wall cracking'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you are up stream from the flood, and the people down stream are the source of your angst'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or jehovahs... either way'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go put your thinking hats on then how we might get out of this mess WITHOUT resorting to nukes and disasters, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eugenics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eugenics doesn't solve the problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I think society is on a ballistic trajectory, and no amount of huffing on the projectile will significant'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're giving up?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.....significant'y alter it's course'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... I think the real work to be done is figuring out what to do after impact'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USGS has doubled the expected recoverable oil reserves from the bakken shale formation.....bet it happens against in a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'again that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the impact will be after we're gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps... but not too long after.  I say it will be sooner than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'allit will take is one 'lil spark.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and BOOM!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the world social situation is basically a house of toothpicks... carefully balanced, glued, patched....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'added to here and there, very rarely trimmed... etc....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it doesn't have any structural stregth.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what do you think will cause it to fall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, it will crumble... something will be added, or a force applied that the structure just5 can't handle...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists at IBM have just unveiled the world's smallest stop-motion film certified by Guinness one made by moving individual atoms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... a significant economic cascade failure....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a terrorist nuke popped in london....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be almost any thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nuke in London wouldn't stop anyting. what will precipitate this failure?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might even be global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and pigs will fly'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nuke in london would have a significant cascade effect... border would be lammed shut - trade would all but cease - suspition and violence would ensue....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nuke, however small, used in violence would be a game changer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'somebody is nuking the toilet here at work ugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree, a suitcase nuke wouldn't be big enough to cause any lasting problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the us use of nukes on japan was like a "holy crap.. look at that!" moment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hiroshima was a significant sized air-dropped bomb'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorists would not have access to that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but TODAY.. .it's the IDEA of nukes that would do the damage... you are right.. a small nuke would not do much REAL damage... the damage would be social.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it would really matter at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it certainly wouldnt' bring down the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of people in the world didnt even know about the nuke bombing of japan in WWII, it was a huge world back then....today everyone with a radio or tv would know a few seconds after.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK is already screwed on that regard, you have a far better chance in the USA of enacting change in a smaller area'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... look at the WTC.. just two buildings and a fe thousand people dead... the US is STILL fighting wars over that... the impact was HUGE, but the damage was tiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting that you would need to resort to terrorist attacks on your own people in order to enact a change? it wouldn't work, because YOU DO NOT CONTROL THAT CHANGE'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i see the world as the belt of a crossbow slowly pulling back, more and more.. More people grow pissed by the day about it. One day, that belt will release, exerting the exact force that has pulled it back, but only in one dramatic blow which will set in motion a chain reaction.. If the illuminati has been planning global meltdown, they've been doing a damn fine job'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... crickets... score one for the tinfoil hat crowd'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was with you... right up to the last line'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why do you disagree?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'lol if you don't believe in the illuminati by this stage'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we can discount the idea that terrorism would cause the change that is needed. The only people who can use terrorism to their advantage (whether perpetrated or not) is the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as has been demonstrated on numerous occasions through history)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, it's just not morally justifiable'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'in a sense, i disagree that the illuminati exists to start with.. There mere reputation around them have created counter-activitist.. David icke for example pretending to be the protagonist with his hoo-ha spiritualism conspiracy.. If nothing else, i'd say he's doing the illuminati's job'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer as to whether it exists depends to a large extent on how you define what they are'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'illuminati is just a symbol for something which may or may not actually be called the illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the people who appear to be in control are not the ones with control'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'based on their claims roughly outlined in wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'You're suggesting david icke is someone else's tool?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if by the illuminati you mean a group of rich/powerful people who are members of groups/cliches/societies formal or otherwise that within, without and in parallel to normal government and corporate activity seek to manipulate governance, corporations, banks, for their own ends? The yes, without question it exists - only need look at such organisations as the IMF, UN, Trilateral Comission, CFR, Bilderberg group'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you mean illuminati as a discrete bunch of satan-worshipping masons who worship a symbol of a pyramid with an eye, then probably not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah the former, although I'd allow for a little touch of satan worship in there. Acts like deliberately blowing up world trade centre as a propaganda ruse can only be considered satanic imo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blowing up the wtc the first time around could have been attributed to major clusterfuck on behalf of the fbi'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there's plenty of damning evidence that it was pushed deliberately for financial gain'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, buildings were riddled with aspestos apparently, but insured'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just insurance issues, but military spending issues. You should see the lobbying went into CISPA because of the lucrative military contracts on offer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of stories of army getting tanks they don't want, air force getting planes they don't want, all because it's being pushed by the MIC'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its a symbolic counterpart. Christianity calls nearly everything that isn't christian, satanism. The pyramid is synonymous with the big brother'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i'm so anti-war, because it's nearly always perpetrated on a lie, it's nearly always a load of bollocks, and never makes things better, it's all a ruse to get more money and more control'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'makes money for the bankers lending to the government, also generates public support for a war that doesn't need fighting'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'even the vietnam war was supposedly started on some non-existing pretext'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean the North Nam'ers were great people, or didn't deserve it, but two wrongs don't make a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in Iraq, there were no WMDs, the intelligence was faked to order and that has been admitted'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar scenario in Libya, same happening in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same would have been true of NK, same will be true of Iran'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'someone mentioned the new red dawn movie on this channel yesterday, I watched it today, it's terrible'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'most ridiculously inaccurate film I've ever seen'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The thing that bothers me about that, Tiger, is that Saddam openly used chemical weapons against the Kurds some years earlier. Did the guy only buy 2 of them or something? It's hard to create a solid answer to whether or not there were weapons, because there was a 6 month buildup to the war that gave Saddam plenty of time to bury them in the desert if he did have them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was alwys going to be terrible once China forced them to reshoot it since they didn't want to be made out as the enemy'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Iraq war was not fought over chemical weapons, Cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Chemical weapons = WMD.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Er... yes, they are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Check out the Encyclopedia Brittanica, it openly lists them as being considered WMD's.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't what they were talking about, otherwise you have justification to invade just about every country on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'either way they were presumably looking for explosives in iraq not biological weapons'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, they faked the intel to justify an illegal war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They were looking for WMD's, chemical/biological weapons are recognized by the U.N as being WMD's, while I won't argue they embellished their intel, to make distinctions between explosive vs. chemical WMD's is silly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the scale of weaponary they were looking for'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, particularly when neither of them actually exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was not found'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'imaginary explosive weapons, imaginary chemical weapons -- it all works'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is why I made my original statement that there were other factors that may have played a role in them not being found, them not existing being a possibility, but not the only possibility.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, he did -have- some chemical weapons, swalec, the west sold them to him when they sided with him in the Iraq/Iran proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sure, but he'd used all of those'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Based on history, I find it a ridiculous conclusion to jump to that Saddam didn't have any chemical WMD's, as he openly used them against the Kurds. Unless the guy bought 2 missiles for that sole purpose, it stands to reason that he would have had more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason they went into Iraq in force is because Saddam wasn't doing as he was told, was oversupplying oil to the market in order to pay off his country's debts'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think people draw the conclusion that Saddam didn't have chemical weapons on the basis of there not being any. I mean, you can claim that they just didn't look hard enough, but they really did want to find them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify lying about intelligence in order to justify an invasion, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'After a 6 month build up where he had free reign to do what he wanted with them. It's like telling someone you're going to get a search warrant... 6 months before you do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'also, many in the US adminstration were inline to make a killing when they outsourced large parts of the military function to the private sector'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I never said it did, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, cuthbert, but it's a strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so you think, Saddam, maniac nutter, when faced with an invasion said "oh, better get rid of my chemical weapons, in case they are found, and I get into trouble?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes it is, you trying to pin a point to my argument I was never trying to make is total strawman.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, why didn't he use them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what argument are you trying to make?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That stating Saddam had no WMD's is jumping to a conclusion that has too many unknown factors involved, to cleanly state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And contradicts historical events within Iraq that show he did have access to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I already agreed that the evidence was embellished to make a case for war, but embellishment doesn't mean it isn't true to a degree'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It simply wasn't strong enough on its own to justify war.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an understatement'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'another story i heard, is that bin laden was burning american opium fields'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Taliban gov't destroyed almost all the opium fields prior to the US-led invasion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the taliban burned opium fields, as drug use is against sharia (despite the warlords taking it)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bin-laden wasn't part of the taliban'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bin-laden was a saudi agent and a CIA asset'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran said on Tuesday it would be a "reliable partner" in the Middle East if Western countries would take a more cooperative approach in talks on its nuclear program.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i read reports that the military are basically in charge on Iran now, and it's pretty much as stable as any islamic country can get'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to 'take out the bad guys' in the middle east, you should take out the Saudis and Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that 'you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb41E6Gmq6g&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely the answer to Al Gore's questions is less federal government, and small local, direct democracies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perpetuates the myth that hurricane sandy was caused by human-induced climate change'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with all the money he's making from green investments that would never have been profitable without government subsidy and regulation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he then goes on to describe the brainwashing he's involved with in our colleges'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see every trucker in the US go on a sick strike for 3 days.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the answer with the dashes is correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I use it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought his name was bill, or steve or something'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DANGIT!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bill gates and steve jobs....you have bill and steve on the mind eh ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The American justice system needs a hoodlum catagory inbetween "criminal" and "enemy combatant"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"serious douchebag" would fit nicely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Since the definition of "hoodlum" is actually "a person who engages in crime and violence," I would think "criminal" already applies'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here we have a group of people - some citizens, some foreign nationals - all accused of conspiring to kill Americans, likely for some political agenda... and we have to be "nice" to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not enough to be "Fair"... we have to be "NICE"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You keep on using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our society demands it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than get to the heart of the crime - "we have to be sympathetic to their plight"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'should I keep waiting for you to actually define your hyperbolic terms, or is this another pity party?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should nazify the process and put an efficient bullet in their head.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be cheaper to keep criminals asleep in prison wards...no violence, or trouble caused by them, and we can keep them in large rooms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prison costs would plummet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is certainly a course of action... I don't think that's the RIGHT course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why waste a bullet when the market is already hard up thanks to Homeland Security? Just hang them'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'small rooms, pack 'em in like slaves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chemically induced sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is called Corrections Corp. of America, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can RE-USE an effective noose'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... and we could launch the "sleep" chambers into space to save room... please.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oooh.. I like that.. or we could just burn them all in huge ovens, but that'd screw up the atmosphere for miles'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with black smoke for guilt, and white smoke for innocence?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'considering the cost-per-ton for your typical space launch, however, ovens seem cheaper than space'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what? I thought we knew they were guilty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, we still need an appeals process.  This IS America, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fuck that, they're guilty, and any "appeal" is synonymous with being too "nice"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ons was a nazi in a previous life. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has a fixation with hot ovens.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and I'm sure getting toasted in the oven will replace waterboarding...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no.. waterboard them first, that way we get MORE people for our ovens'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought you knew how this was done?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... we so eager to be "just" and "good" in America..  when so much of the world is just crap.  The "old" addage was "better to let 100 guilty men free than wrongly imprison one inocent man"... the updated version seems to be "better to let 100 innocent school children be slaughtered than to wrongly execute one innocent enemy of the state"  I'm sure principals go along way to easing the grief of the survivors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Vonliege - seriously, you going to, at one small point in this exchange, actually give us some factual examples of what you're seemingly pulling from your ass?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, if you keep the communication lines open while turning up the heat, you can send out a team to follow up on the lead to make sure the guy wasn't just giving you what you wanted to hear.  Once verified, he's already in the oven and we don't need him anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Or were you suggesting we should dispense with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept for murder in general? Or only certain murders you pluck out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '(psst Hanslanda: this is what "animate corpse" is for... FYI)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>c 'animate corpse' 7.terrorist bastard;>say You got anyone else to rat out before we burn you alive again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've just been flipping thru the news channels today... on CNN, you have a child pycologist explaining to the viewers how these "children" (the two brothers) are just as much victims in this as the peopel they killed.  siting abuse, neglect, a failed system, etc... on the FOX side, you have TV personalities screaming for their genitals... it's ALL hyperboly... HYPERBOLY IS the problem, I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hyperbole, you mean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so just to be clear Vonliege - that would be a "no" to my original request? You have no actual evidence of our justice system being "nice" or fluffy or whatever to these guys?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you just pulled an Abelinc on my ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have first hand experience with enemy combatants... farm fresh ones.. have to be NICE... it's in the ROE'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is on target of executing about 20 people this year.  Govt sanctioned murder is still murder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught pats Vonliege on his head.
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Murder" is defined as death by illegal means... exevution is not illigal - so not murder'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as Ron White said so eloquently..."When most states are getting rid of the death penalty, mine's putting in an express lane"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is still murder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'R E D R U M'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only by your definition... '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah as much as I hate to say it, vonliegen is actually right on this one'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you are welcome to define your own definition.. but it is only yours'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also doesnt work as a deterrent'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually Riz studies have been done which show it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not murder if the one put to death is guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least not in Texas, and it costs 3x more than keeping them in prison for life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but whether it is or not is irrelevant to definitions. It isn't murder, in much the same way abortion is also not murder, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does that include the 20+ years on death row?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it includes all costs'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're getting into semanitics here... murder or not... the issue is wether or not it's "right"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'abortion's just a belated miscarriage.  Perfectly natural, even.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hehehe.. note how Vonliege doesn't want to admit abortion isn't murder, while perfectly willing to smack Rizgoth around about execution also not being murder'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'based on definitions :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was using the "not illegal" card from an earlier discussion... yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, we've had this discussion before, and we both know better, but if you don't have a problem with the hypocrisy, I'm good with it too'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abortion is murder also, but it isnt my place to tell you not to have one.....executing prisoners just because they killed someone is just wrong, if that is the case, should also execute people who get an abortion for killing someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're all a little hypocritical.. comes with being human'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually I think it's interesting that the argument for NOT giving rapists the death penalty is because to do so would encourage MORE murder... ie if you're already going to be executed for the rape, why not just finish her off?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.....and kidnappers might as well kill thier hostages also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now I would be perfectly willing to chuck that and test out whether or not the theory holds true by dragging every fucking rapist ever to do the deed up by his neck until cold'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm not in charge'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in most areas that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I figure if you add a simple "torture" agreement to the rule it would work fine... such as "if you rape someone and then kill them, not only will you be executed, you will also be tortured for some period of X months before the state puts you to death"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyhoo... (SUBJECT CHANGE!) - So I found this today: Political ideology affects energy-efficiency attitudes and choices (Apparently some people would rather spite other people rather than specifically do something beneficial to the environment, even when the cost is actually lower regardless). http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/26/1218453110'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's kind of sad'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my 12 mpg truck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I love your 12 mpg truck too, but that's kind of irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I installed an efficiency apt and home office in my truck....:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has 480 watts of solar panels on the roof, and 6 105 amp AGM batteries, specially made RV ac/heater, fridge, freezer, yamaha generator, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a wifi booster, and a satellite tv dish'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in my day we called those "campers" or even "RVs" rather than "trucks"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you do what you gotta do as far as labels are concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I converted a Uhaul truck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when are you going to covert THAT to LG Gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never, I use it to travel around the country, or live in it while up in north dakota.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Uhaul? and it only gets 12 mpg?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'erm'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I might upgrade it to a diesel engine in a few years though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'granted this is hardly different from my regular exposure on the "debate" channel, but I'm beginning to question whether it's the people or the channel that make it so completely useless/pointless/etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the venue.  We're ultimately playing a game, and that fact absolutely permeates debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'personally, we should just declare debate for important game-related issues that need discussing, like bots and raiding.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'perhaps it's the context of the game? "Debate" channels on chess servers tend to offer more germaine commentary'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... Raiding board is enough for that, thanks'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'geeks don't usually come to MUDs to geek out.  We're essentially their dumb time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geeks have no option but to geek out, for it is their nature to do so'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they couldn't stop themselves if they tried'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the thing about taking your work home with you.  Few people want to take real life into the places they try to escape it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yet they do anyway, because they are people, and that is their nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and quality obviously suffers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, I think it's just a general aversion to thinking too hard about personally applicable bias sets'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway, it's time for dinner, be back in a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why don't you start up a debate while clubbin'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In a survey of 4,341 students across the globe, 19% of respondents said they would prefer to work in the U.S. post-graduation over any other country, according to Universum, a recruiting, branding and research firm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United Kingdom came in second, with 12% of the vote, followed by Australia, with 8%, and Canada at 6%. Germany, also at 6%, was the top non-English destination, followed by France, Switzerland, Sweden, Japan, and Spain.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why do you think that people started sun-worshipping, bearing in mind that ancient civilizations had no concrete scientific knowledge and thus, didn't know about the uses and benefits of solar energy/radiation or that the sun really sustained life for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they knew it sustained life because they knew that when it got cold they tended to die.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i don't think thats the case. Things don't die when the temperature changes, in terms of solar radiation or rather, the lack thereof. It couldn't been cold while the sun was shining too, so how then, would they have attributed warmth to the sun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i'm talking bout pre-roman and pre-helenism thinking, just btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Could it be as simple as: "The dark makes it harder to move/work/survive, the sun makes the dark go away. Hooray for the sun!"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government planning an "app" that tracks vaccine refusers'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what vaccine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '/any'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Florida set up a $1m telephone hotline to allow people to shop their neighbours for anti-government dessent'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't falle for it Tigernuts! it's a trick!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a trap!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's a trick-trap!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'See!!?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'argh!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Looking for an opinion: To which temperature should I heat a salmon in the oven? (Oven temp is 90 degrees celcius).'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://bit.ly/120OYKl'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can google. But the google has diverse opinions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'Fish, specifically salmon, is done nicely when it reaches an internal temperature of 135-140 f.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm looking for the one true temperature.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it isn't LOTR dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've set the alarm to 55 degrees, so should be good then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'There is no one true temperature.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'It depends on how well done the interior of the fish you want, and whether you have filets, or a full side, and the thickness.  So, 135-140 means you've just removed all the pink from the interior, but isn't dried out.  As long as your salmon isn't ridiculously oversized on it's thickest part.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a full fish, about 2.5 kgs. (gutted, of course)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'Personally, with that, I like to take the fish, oepn it up, salt, pepper, dill, lemon slices and zest, and butter.  Flip closed, wrap with tinfoil so the butter and lemon starts to steam from the inside, and either bake in oven, or bbq it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much what I did, except for the tinfoil. I'll try that next time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'if you can keep the steam in, it'll help uniformly cook it.  That's the biggest problem with convection ovens, especially as you open/close the door :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just took it out at 52 degrees, it actually looks perfect, so I'm going to stop there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what exactly is it that Vakieh was objecting to, anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which time?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most recent'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'koran v bible?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting debate - '
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'futile maybe'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sor of futile unless it's academic only.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously Vakieh believes there is little functional difference between Congress using a Bible to open sessions and any other political entity using another religious text to do the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege nods at tigger
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he overlooks the context and value of the books in favor of a more universal objection to religiosity in government generally'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was what i got from it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it all comes down to what you believe the foundation of America is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'a more nuanced approach might be to look at countries which use a Koran and those which use a Bible and the relative levels of hostility to outsiders you get from them'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what relevence is the foundation of America to the practice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure Vakieh would point out to Vonliege neither the Bible nor God are referenced in the U.S. Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is relevent to the practice "in America"... elsewhere, it's relevent to their foindation'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the founders were generally christian, and you have a constitution that protects the free practice of religion. if they want to open congress with a bible passage, then you really have no place standing in their way'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Vonliege would respond with either something from the Declaration or the federalist papers'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and on and so forth until death do them part'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The founders were deists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that's what Vakieh would add'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you take the constitution out of contect... but if you include the wealth of surrounding documents from the day - it becomes obvious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see what I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone chose not to open with a passage from the bible, i'm sure it wouldn't make any practical difference, but would be a sad loss of a tradition'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole christian thing in the US comes from the 1900s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and "under god" wasn't in the pledge until commies became a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, if someone said you CANNOT open with a passage from the bible, that would be against the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Us politics, I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's really somewhat repetitious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'personally I have no problem if they open with the Bible, the Koran, or the Sunday Comics'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or maybe that whole Christian thing started with the first thanksgiving under George Washington, or the practice from the time of the first session of Congress to open with a Christian prayer...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's weird for a secular country to refer to religion when making political statements.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is not a secular country as such'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is a very religious country'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is supposedly a secular country... but I agree, it's not in practice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'queue someone's notes from the Treaty of Tripoli'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debat to say it is secular is to say that it is without religion...  I've never heard anyone callthe US secular'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this "debate" has become rote, frankly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, vonliege, ranrr conflates "secular" with "having no state sponsored religion"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A country can be secular, and stay away from religion in politics, while still allowing personal religion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Christian's long ago recognized that you cannot be forced to be a Christian, and must come to believe of your own free will. It cheapens religion to force it on others, and is more farcical than real religion. Thus, even though we are a Christian nation, we allow for different religions, or no religions at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught boggles at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how "long ago" was this exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam also says that, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'enlightenment'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '1700's'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they got rid of missionaries in the 1700's?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'damn'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'being an evangelist is different than a state religion...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'giving people bible's and teaching them about Jesus is different than mandating obedience'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, thought you were talking about forcing people into a religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's still not something the government should do....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh yeah.. here come take our food and our clothes and this Bible, but no pressure or anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tigernuts - I would point you to Qur'an (8:39), Qur'an (9:29) , Qur'an (9:5) ... the list goes on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not religious, why do i always end up defending religion against atheist extremists?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well yes, along with Christianity came western civilization and some other benefits...like medicine'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Qur'an is full of ambiguity and confliction, VL, who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like all religious textsx'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Finally found it for anyone that's interested, here's a good example of what I mean about how this country was founded on the idea that true religion comes through freedom. It's Thomas Jefferson's Virginia Statute on REligious Freedom. http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/religi.htm'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've given the Quran more than a passing look... islamic scholars would tell you that there are no good english tranlations - and then proceed to tell you that the Quran is only supposed to be writen in aribic - one particular dialect which I do not recall'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I feel compelled to toss in a cliche... "freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion"...  sappy, but very true'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'both, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, in some places, it's illegal not to be religious. Doesn't matter which religion, just choose one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if by both, you mean the freedom to not practice any religion... sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I am granted freedom of and from religion by the U.S. constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a very swift search of those verses vonliege proves that you need to read and understand complete passages in context. none of those examples disprove what i said about people needing to come to Islam willingly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and do you believe that MY practice of religion - sometimes even public - hinders your freedom FROM religion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I meant e.g. indonesia, or saudi.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Islam also has a problem with people disrespecting their beliefs. Not that other religions are perfect, it just seems to be a bit more touchy with Muslims'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Depends Vonliege. If you are passing laws based on your religion which impact me in a negative fashion, then yes that is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will grant you that, TN... but it DOES illustrate the emphisis placed on "drag them - kicking and screaming if you have to"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference passing laws that are influenced by religion and laws enforcing religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you wouldn't have a problem if my church, as an example, displayed a nativity scene at Christmas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'none Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't impact me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also have no problem is students in a public school want to display a nativity at said school'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL, that passage was referring to pagans that continue to fight after peace has been agreed, it's more of a historical reference than an insutrction'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then we are of an accord.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For all I care, they can show porn in church. Or anything else they want.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it is a problem if teachers/admin at the school tell the kids to display one'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see the diff?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it, kids weren't 'forced' to do nativity plays even when I was young when religion was popular, and i went to a "church of england" school'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes in disgust at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haveing been a government emplyee for more than 25 years - I get real chapped when I'm told that my small desk nativity might (might, mind you, not will) offend someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your personal experience doesn't equate with everyone's experience'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion has no place in school, except as a topic of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah Vonliege, I get upset when people complain about my Playboy calendar at work'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who is funding and providing the schooling, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you know we all have problems with HR'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not where I live.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden it's not legal for schools to be religious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sweden is a renowned crackpot state'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it's a secular state. For reals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the best primary schools in the UK are christian schools.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when did Sweden hit crackpot status?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'decades ago, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they always used to make good cars though'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, you have issues Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I like you, but more issues than a magazine rack'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ban home schooling'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We never banned home schooling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, is that how we define crackpots these days?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we homeschooled in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany no longer allows homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was against the law'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we home schooled in Germany from 2009-2011'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people look up to Sweden, I personally find it's level of government control totally overbearing'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to me that makes it crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can understand being uncomfortable, but the 'crackpot' label is kind of silly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, crackpot is a subjective term just like silly or bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, we are learning from the US, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well sure, but I don't think you're a crackpot just because I disagree with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be entitled to'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I would be wrong :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well except when you reference Alex Jones... who IS a 24/7 crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you could justify it, tyou wouldn't be :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except I could only justify it in the circumstances I just mentioned, which aren't constant'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so at best you would be a "sometimes" crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moving on...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the subject explored fully? what were the conclusions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than Vakieh being a crackpot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I think that's fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ';-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conclusion was that noone will ever difinitivly win that debate.. until the rapture'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh I think we've agreed on Vakieh'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'debate concluded there'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the +5 penalty to magic, i figured, was the energy released from the eladrin wizard once he died. Adventurers would have the option not to kill him, and trust him after say, he opens a barred iron door for them. But is alignment is something in the lines of lawful evil. Anyway, the reason for the dispelling resonance is that, once he is bloodied, the enchantment is lifted from him (there's three monoliths in his room that must be destroyed too. Once destroyed, the corruptive influence over him ceases and he becomes his old chaotic good self) .. If chosen to kill him, his feywild spirit would utter a dying curse and persist in the quest zone, feeding off magic for sustainance until the curse of the blacksmith is lifted)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps MagusTiberia.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'wrong channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the +5 penalty to magic, i figured, was the energy released from the eladrin wizard once he died. Adventurers would have the option not to kill him, and trust him after say, he opens a barred iron door for them. But is alignment is something in the lines of lawful evil. Anyway, the reason for the dispelling resonance is that, once he is bloodied, the enchantment is lifted from him (there's three monoliths in his room that must be destroyed too. Once destroyed, the corruptive influence over him ceases and he becomes his old chaotic good self) .. If chosen to kill him, his feywild spirit would utter a dying curse and persist in the quest zone, feeding off magic for sustainance until the curse of the blacksmith is lifted)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still the wrong channel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'really sorry about that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes but were the monoliths truly influencing him towards evil, or was the wizard actually more responsible for his own shift in life perspective than previously believed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'DEBATE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you only actually get every 3rd message, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, supposedly working iaw, only glance at this every so often or when something interesting is going on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well stop that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or use -h'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you typo and see this instead'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'h10'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'it has a bewitching mind affect on him, per the fiend 'possess' ability. Though you have a good point. To some extent, possessing is somewhat consensual, whether by succumbing to the lure of power and promises thereof or simply giving up the struggle for your own mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah-hah!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught claps at MagusTiberia's performance.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MagusTiberia bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google Glass, already been hacked, users not allowed to resell or lend their Google Glass. What do you think of that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not dissimilar to Apple prevent you from giving your itunes downloads to family members'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, good luck with enforcing that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances it will be locked to a network'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like phones are'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only in the americas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which basically means just one more thing to be pointlessly criminalised for'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only in the americas'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Where else?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I thought the UK was part of the americas :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might seem that way, except we never had freedoms and don't have a constitution to fall back on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You poor thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waiting for the breakup of the USA so I can emigrate'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'don't hold your breath'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be a similar timescale to being able to afford my own place'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems more likely for the UK to break up....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK breaking up won't help, since no part of the UK has a liberty instinct, and every part of the UK is packed with people'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'not a single legitimate person is talking about breaking up the US...Last time we tried it was discussed for about half a century before being attempted'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good, sort the country out instead then, either way would work'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was just going on the basis that the place is too far gone to be sorted out in it's current configuration'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see that happening either, at least not in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah that's probably something you can count on. Ineptitude and failure in the US congress'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I'm moving to Mars soon as Google colonizes it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you say "sort it out", are you asking us to commit assasinations?  need to be clear on that point'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we're entering a crisis generation, expect change'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyone not crazy is welcome to join me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is there wifi on mars?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. duh'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somehow doubt assasination would help, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but the connection to Earth has an approx 13 min delay one-way however, so playing Aard will be... challenging'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>bs golem;#wait 26:00;spiral'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll take Aard with us'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'sub-space communications easily solve that problem. What do you think Picard does in his ready room all day?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tipro, I'm trying to be serious here'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there's a private company trying to settle Mars and is taking applications. Do...a google search'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but it's a one-way trip fyi'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and we all know he drank tea and played with his fish between breaks consisting of staring out his window with a contemplative, but restless look on his face'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subspace comms might only be a couple of decades away, what with work they're doing on entanglement'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true, though from what I understand they can't make up their minds on whether it'll be possible to transmit viable information using QE'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://applicants.mars-one.com/'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a teleporter using zen as an unexpressed axis.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be cool... but last time I checked, the theories didn't allow it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bah, can't go, I already chose to spawn offspring and I'm stuck here for at least... 12 more years.. likely longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're waiting for you, onslaught, in the -test- chamber'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I passed all the tests already.. like a baws'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would definitely be up for a one way trip to mars, would be fun. As long as they bring some chicks, too :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pfft... mars-one app site seems to be offline'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and/or the time delay is screwing with me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't need chicks, just a few gigs of porn'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I want to try zero gee sex....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Zero gee masturbation is probably just messy...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Last week we mentioned Mars One, the combination space mission/reality TV show project that aims to send four lucky space travelers to the Red Planet... forever'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh fuck that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if this actually takes off (har har), I'm going to form an invasion force and burn those "reality TV" morons to the ground'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should start on the moon, though. No point in going to mars before we know how to make people live on the moon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... living on Mars >>>>> easier than living on the Moon'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>>>'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But getting there is another thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they have plans on the drawing board for a 30-day flight ship'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '30 days to get to mars? Yeah, right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using what fuel/propulsion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=54c56d86-5738-49e0-9029-67012cbac56d'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, a made-up technology'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They are going to power it by nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'mars is the only known planet whose atmosphere is is the closest to earth's .. Much more likely to survive on mars than our moon'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'only if the Sun is "made up" I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well say you're going to use warp drive'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mars atmosphere is not breathable, so it doesn't help us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is more oxygen on the moon than on mars iirc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fusion power is not available yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Ranrr there is such a vast difference between no vacuum Moon and some vacuum Mars'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not even a demonstrable technology yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'would take hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger... I gave you a link dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the Apollo program wasn't a demonstrable technology either'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if we wanted to do it, we could'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but of course getting to Mars isn't exactly a war-time endeavor'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's balls, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in theory, if fusion technology existed, it could be done, but it doesn't yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I recommend reading "Mankind beyond earth" by Claude Piantodisi. Especially if you think we have the technology today to go to mars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we already "do" fusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we just don't get more out of it than we put in yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we may HAVE fusion... but do we really DO fusion?  outside the lab, I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have done fusion since the 40s. Just not very controlled.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's still decades off being used in rocket engines'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the atmosphere didn't ignite... interesting'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just ask the people of nagasaki.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's because we don't have a particular interest in getting it done Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? there's huge interest in getting it done'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reliable, clean, scalable energy source?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU is spending a shit load of money on fusion research.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a group of governments spending a considerable amount on it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just EU, USA, China, Russia are all involved too, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously not spending enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can get that out of my kids... just meter their redbull® intake'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the money isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that too'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think its completion is just being delayed, or maybe its completed but not brought to light yet. Reason i say this, is the probability that its designers have some sense of conscious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plus counter-interests such as petroleum industries'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, we should spend that money on fission research instead. Master that first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're building a huge fusion plant in europe somewhere now, but it'll take years'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we should build thorium reactors all over the place, replace all fission with them... but there's no (as of yet) war-applicable use for thorium reactors'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fission is the reason why we have wars and millions dying of cancer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so the technology sits stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait.. fission/fusion - I think they've been missed up here'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and war is why we have never focused on anything else'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, that's because of politicians, not fission.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it's the feminist'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they're hardly separable'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be anti-gun and pro-fission, that's just hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'borderline chewing your own leg off crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not against any technology. But I don't want my neighbor to have nukes, nor guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'look if you told the worlds' governments there is a novel element buried under the surface of Mars which would allow you to create a bomb that vaporizes a continent without damaging the rest of a planet's biosphere, you can be damn sure someone would get there really fucking fast with technologies you couldn't dream of'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if you tell them all it does is replace the entire current world energy infrastructure, thereby debasing any and all current corporations and employees of said infrastructure, they'd probably nuke NASA'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just to keep them from thinking about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think there might be some followup questions, though...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there always are'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But it is true that military reasons trump scientific. Just look at the moon landing, it was a military operation. Had it been scientific, it would have never gotten the funding needed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sad, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The bottom line here is that motivations don't change because human nature hasn't changed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why the IIS doesn't get a lot of media attention. It's just boring science.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that, OS, is a very simple truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ISS'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's an incredibly complex truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stated simply'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a recent poll, nearly 1 in 3 americans thought an armed rebellion might be necessary in the next few years to protect liberties'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Americans always think that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's part of what makes them Americans'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to see what form that might take'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most likely will be feds trying to do something and either a state, or a coalition of counties in a state saying "fuck you"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in related news 22% of Americans also believe the world will "end" in their lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a local election in the UK today'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Americans always think there is a national rebellion and/or global apocalypse "just around the corner"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they were right once one just one of those predictions'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not very good track record'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the popo did a dog-sweep of a local school yesterday - sixth grader was seen by attending police supposedly slinging something into the bushes, and when everyone looked at the bushes, he shoved something in his mounth and swallowed it (video taped).  Child Services has to sign off on the court ordered drug test, but has declined. Siting "uncompelling evidence."  Judge could have overruled and ordered the test anyway, but has inticated that he will not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell are your opinions about THAT?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will further offer that it was suspected of being pot, not cocain, or meth, or crack or such.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a breech of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like the US courts system is setting up the groundwork for a potential SCOTUS decision on the question "Does size matter?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.scribd.com/doc/139072525/Judge-s-Entertaining-Order-in-Strip-Club-Case'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a sad condition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you live in Kansas, take a looky at this: http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/05/eric-holder-threatens-kansas-in-letter-on-gun-control-nullification-law/'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'David Lee Roth has been reduced to maintaining a YouTube video channel.... I guess he might still be getting some sweet royalties, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I would love to go to a native american bbq in the navajo nation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roast up a sheep.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and drinnk beer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, deep fried bacon with a side of sausage white gravy dipping sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'is it canned?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'state fairs are great....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc eats like a real man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Magical Unicorn is now afraid of the dark. That's for sure. God, I feel powerful!
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bacon donut with a chili cheese filling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc roars at majestic creatures like a real jerk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, deep fried peach.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You sob quietly to yourself because Queen Bee Noegel has hurt your feelings so badly.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts you. 
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooh deep fried peach sounds lovely'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'deep fried <insert anything here>'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, with powdered sugar'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, it's the first mayor spell for mages.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only problem a mage has with backstab is that it takes as whole round.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No Waste-to-Energy sites have been built in the U.S. for the last 15 years.  There are also only 500 such facilities in the whole world, :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'building an energy infrastructure on converting waste just makes you rely on generating waste'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have one where I live. The bad thing about it is that we first pay to get rid of our garbage, then they use it to make heat, and we have to pay again for the heat. And they have a monopoly, so we have no cghoice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to run a business with monopoly, where I can charge both my suppliers and customers, too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the city of Spokane Washington has one also....they received a $60 million grant from the state, and a $100 million grant from the EPA.....the city charges for the trash pickup, the recycling, and get income from the power generation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also sell the ash byproduct to mulchers to mix with dirt and help with the growing of crops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice to (almost) not need a landfill. We either burn waste for district heating, or recycle it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if they used the co2 produced to grow algae, and turned the algae into biodiesel, ethanol and feed for animals.....all would be good. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, they are looking into doing that... dunno how they are moving along, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we used the algae to feed fish, then maybe grown fish would start tasting like fish again....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, k9's in washington state are being detrained to not detect marijuana...and new dogs are not being trained to detect marijuana.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'history'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'super failure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nice to hear the state k9s are doing that, rizgoth... now lets see the federales'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Garage that charges $90 for not fixing your car, only in the UK!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would assume they charge in pounds in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but i don't expect americans to be able to do the necessary math'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i save them the hassle'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably wise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everybody knows how much a dollar is, but a lot of americans probably wouldn't know how much a pound, euro or yen is... is even what it is :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-europe UK Independance party came from nowhere to win 23% of the vote in yesterday's local elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They want the UK to leave europe, huh? Need a big tugboat for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade Quebec was in the middle of one of their hissyfits about leaving Canada, when I heard about it I wondered how much dynamite it would take to seperate them from Canada, and more specifically, where would they go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to leave the EU, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quebec isn't an analogous situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok, is it me, or is this a baaaad idea? >http://i.imgur.com/S0y67Hf.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 8 year old fermented bean paste.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm a regular turkey sandwich'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, dead body soup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bum tried to break into a law firm by climbing down the chimney. He slipped, died, and wasn't found until weeks later'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Obama blames US for gun violence in mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no shit sherlock, your administration shipped them there'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'global warming is also America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'No, it's your fault.  Sorry :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'immigrants for guns act?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are democrats trying to imply that background checks for guns would have stopped the Boston marathon?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'may they should require background checks for pressure cookers, '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or maybe, just -maybe- they should STOP LETTING FUCKING TERRORISTS INTO THE COUNTRY TO LIVE'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, the fall of the roman empire, the first of the two great plagues that swept Europe, the rise (and fall) of communisim, and care bears.... ALL America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't forget Justin Bieber'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why does anyone need to be "blamed" for JB?  he's AWSOME!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yep, Bieber is America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming is Al Gore's fault, he invented that particular fable for the benefit of his bank balance'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'JD is a GIFT from America too.... well... hes just a gift, OK?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but America is Europe's fault in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as for perpetuating global warming, if you want to insist in it's existance, go after the country that produces the most magic evil fairy gas (CO2)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is China'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the persecution of the waldesians if i recall correctly'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America is also to blame for civil unrest in Angola, 1,000 suqare foot mats of empty watter bottle floating in the atlantic, the near extinction of sea otters, sperm whales and kangaroos, the disruption of "who's the boss" tv show in Singapore, and for making the entire world fat on Big Macs®.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... who DOESN'T want to launch a nuke at us?  we'll give you 56 Billion dollars in aid... if you DO want to nuke us, you only get 125 billion dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to cut off foreign aid'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close your bases abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if we closed out bases abroad... wntire economies would FAIL'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then THEY'D wanna nuke us too'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'to be fair, we're just continuing 250 years of european history. all of europe should be nuked too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Europe... version 2.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Republican Carolyn Maloney is an idiot, first she claims background checks would have stopped the boston bombing, THEN she goes on to conflate North Korea with radical islam in Chechnya'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did she ever -go- to school?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a terrible advert for women in politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'although... the way emigration and birth rates are going.. it will be SWA version 2.0 before too long'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a terrible indictment for the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i'm sorry, she's a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fucking surprise'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who else is fucking surprised by that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't really top feinstien thining that gun magazines were purchased like batteries... full of bullets... then tossed'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, your buddy glenn beck is in houston for the annual NRA convention.....the largest in the nation, about 70,000 NRA members show up, and about 20,000 non NRA, who usually join up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sean hannity is there, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glenn beck can shove himself up his own arse, though he might disappear up there by himself if he's not careful'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and sarah palin is here :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least Sarah Palin makes me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not a good weekend to hold up a liquor store in Houston'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take herself too seriously, and knows she's a dumb blonde'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... screw that glenn beck guy... he supports that dumb-ass piece of paper called the Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/2/south-carolina-house-passes-bill-making-obamacare-/'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'states-rights... just sabre rattling, most like'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how far they push it, kansas has an anti-anti-gun law law on the books that noddy holder is spitting chunks about, which is quite funny, because Noddy Holder has misunderstood the scope of the primacy act'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the states can push just as hard as they dang well please... wether they can actually move what their pusing against is another matter entorely'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'missing alot of vowels today'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'constenants too, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move? whether they have the balls not to back down is the key'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimately... especially with the obama administration, federal will just overrule state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless of states rights'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not like any one state is going secede... well, except maybe alaska'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Alaska has been talking about that since January 4th, 1959'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'vonliege, that obama statement re: states' rights is pretty amusing considering the previous administration saw the biggest increase in the power of the federal government since FDR.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'site instances, please.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'patriot act.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the time... pretty much everyone was on board with the patriot act... there was very little opposition'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'how does that make it less of a hit against states' rights?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was not "shoved" down the states' throats... they drank the koolaid willingly'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'still, it impeded against their power against the federal govenment to the same degree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'your point is like saying that a person who accepts a collar willingly is less the slave than a person who is froced to don it. both are slaves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.  sure did... but it was a free choice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'in point of fact, a slave of choice is probably more the slave.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... he is where he wants to be... he is doing what he chooses'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'obama is continuing Bush Jr's legacy, not defying it or expanding on it. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'discussion was on obama care... that's not a bush legacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'isn't choosing to bow to someone's will more a defeat of will than defying it and failing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Isn't that distiction irrelevent to the topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'obama care? lol. that's small fries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we've discussed less here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'd rather be forced to pay for medical care than be subject to anti-contitutional spying, or have the constitution torn to pieces for the sake of security.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'not to mention, every american is already basically forced to pay for automobile insurance, how is medical insurance that much worse?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how are the two mutually exclusive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'which two?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the auto/medical insurance.. the other thing you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'security/constitution and medical insurance aren't exactly comperable issues'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'having my personal communications with my family/friends spied on, every single one, is far more the infringement on my civil rights than being penalized (in the form of additional taxes) for not buying medical insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sure they are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'because both have to do with the federal government's ability to enforce policy without the approval of states.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose if you are simply weighing one travesty against another'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'yeah, i am.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'see my first post: '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'security.. the alternative is more dead americans... I'm pretty sure I can keep me and my family from becoming one... as long as I have a means of defense, and am allowed to live where I do... but I'd still rather take off my shoes at the airport than give some jihadist the opportunity to get a shoe bomb on the plane'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'isn't the alternative to no healthcare also more dead americans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'require everyone to wear paper socks, and ban shoes on the plane......'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how often does an American get turned away from an ER?  Children already have gauranteed health and treatment...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the 9/11 folks, no shoe bombs... they had guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'are you pro-gun control?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, they had knives'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'box cutters'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pro-gun... minus the control'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'wow, i was off on that one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'americans are pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're mixing incidents, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 9/11 evil doers had box cutters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... and then there was the underware bomber and the shoe bomber'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was replying to colors remark, not the underware bomber.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'americans are pussies because that's how washington wants us.  otherwise, the rest of the world would be too scared of us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, only the sheep are pussies, the rest keep to themselves until the govt makes a stink about them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like waco or ruby ridge.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'colour - you're south africa, europe or asia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'real men don't board planes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'm american.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do YOU see yourself as a pussy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the hugest pussy in the world... Shaq's dick makes echoes when it screams inside me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you're OK with that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'hell yes. if we were bigger cowards we wouldn't be the most warlike nation in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you and I are on diametrically opposed planes of existance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'every single nation in the world other than the US and Isreal sees the US as the biggest threat to world peace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'my plain of existence is more in keeping with the majority of humans' opinion. ie. it is mor democratic. ie. it is more american.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you feel about bullies in schools, Colours?  good, bad, indifferent?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i hide from them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'in the janitor's closet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when they find you and start pounding your nose in?  then what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'so they don't beat me up for wearing glasses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'get to the point, vonliege :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when they bend you over the utility sink and start ass raping you?  what do you do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and on the same token.....almost everyone of the young citizens of those countries wants to come to the US so that they can succeed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'america is the bully, though ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone has to be the policeman of the planet.....who else will do it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that the US is all that's standing between a lot of people, and international bullies... if the rest of the world woudl rather suffer the bullies - so be it'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'whoever has the most guns is the police. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the rest are just waiting for the next nazis to stick them in the oven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'my point is that we already exsist in a state of anarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the WON'T... they CLAMOUR for help from the US... so we go to war - and there is no peace... but bullies die, and that counts'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the side with the biggest gangs makes the rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the US -isn't- the policemen, it's the biggest gang.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, kill off the evil doers, and there will be more peace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were true anarchy, those without guns wouldn't have anything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the US doesn't abide by internation treaties, it doesn't follow laws.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and who does?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a policeman who doesn't follow the laws he/she is sworn to uphold, what is he/she?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is your opinion, go join the peace corp if you want to try the peace way in Africa or South America.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'vonliege, so no one follows international laws/treaties?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who DOES follow the law, Colour?  the Taliban?  Al quida?  Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are as an American though, you will get kidnapped, so make sure you say you are a canadian, or a british citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'if no one follows the laws... doesn't it follow that everyone is an anarchist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'or a criminal? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any international law that goes against the US constitution is rubbish, and will be discarded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we here in America live under rule of law... we follow our laws (for the most part)... when another nation doesn't follow the law - who "arrests" them?  The US'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'fact: america detains adolescents in war prisons in defiance of the geneva convention.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the geneva convention only applies when both parties are adherents'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'what happens when America doesn't follow the laws?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who arrests us?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Panama is a good, growing country now that the policeman of the world removed Noriega.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who removed GW Bush from power when he started a war of aggresion against another soveriegn nation based upon false evidence in defiance of the internation community?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'be specific'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who deposed him? removed him from power? where is his punishment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what nation'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iraq, :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iraq used chemical weapons on its own population (the kurds)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is easy to be about peace when you live in the US, or another western country that is peaceful because of our military.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the freed iraqi people are very grateful for their freedom]'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'do you know why/where Hussien got his power/money?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'bullshit, vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you been there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've spent YEARS in iraq... Iraq people are grateful'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iraq is one of the worst palces on Earth now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saddam would still be in power if he hadnt gone stupid and attacked kuwait....should have kept attacking Iran....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'were you there before we invaded?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hussein was a thug and a bully... and we killed him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Saddam would have never been in power wihtout US bacing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'do you guys know the story of iran in the 20th century?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and what the US did there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'saddam was a suni - if not him, one just like him would have beenin power'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iraq was our card to keeping iran in check....once iraq was gone....iran is having a field day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... we killed Saddam Hussein?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically.. the free pwople of iraq killed him'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we caught his ass and give him to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'without a fair trial, one more point for anarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well hey let's not get caught up in technicalities and such'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though iran is probably more stable compared to iraq.....we supported the wrong dog.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'iran is persia/shite... there's no leash big enough for them'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when there was a shaw... we had a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We did screw up in the middle east, but it is pretty hard to contain all that bitterness in the first place....those tribes have been fighting for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Rizgoth, do you know what happened in Iran in 1951?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the aisian games?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the winter olympics ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iran deposed their monarch, and created a secular, democratic government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'prime minister Ali Razmara'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they nationalize their natural resources.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Vonliege, then what? :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to go to Persia...er Iran, and check out their markets, once their economy is back up and running 100%'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then we got the shah'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'there was a Shah before 1951 as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US friendly - cheap oil - win for the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'NO! the US loses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap oil is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the revolutionaries flee to the Mosques. They become radicalized.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: '20 years later they retake the country, overthrow the Shaw again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'an this time they're fundamentalists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to the radicalized muslims from centururies previous?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and now they hate us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'okay, Vonliege, you love america, right? american values? the american revolution?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there have ALWAYS been radicalized muslims who hate someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'always? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... since muhamed, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'osama bin laden didnt always hate the US...we were allies in afghanistan....we abandoned him when he needed us the most, and he turned to the dark side...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'wasn't the radicalization of the arabic/muslim states a reaction to christian aggression in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was always dark... we just didn't need HIM anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or so it seemed at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'let's get back on Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hind sight... might have kept him happy'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'when the US revolted against the British king, did we nationalize the resources of our colonies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt have cost much to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'or cede ownership of them to His Majesty?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there were still commies all over the middle east to fight.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say not... but I don't know for sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure there was SOME government grabs... critical industry, land for this or that... but not wide spread'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'we didn't, we claimed our manifest destiny... so how was is wrong of Iran to stage a popular revolution against their monarch and nationalize their resources in 1951?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wanted their cheap oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'why would America support a monarch, instead of a seclar democratic government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't... but in 1953, we went with the british and deposed him'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we must have had a reason'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a good reasn?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we didn't do it for kicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a democratic reason?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'there was a reason, i'll give you that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did the reason serve the interest of the US and Briton?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it will take a while to type it... if you want me to, i will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'bigger than the US and the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oil intersts'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has to be oil'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sort of oil interests,'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oil is all they have that is of any use to us'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it actually goes back to the spice trade, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. that and isreal's securuty'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sffron?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so how come a soviet bloc country like Kazakhstan can build nuclear power plants to provide power, and export uranium to countries, but we wont let Iran do it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in 1953, we deposed a democratically elected world leader for nutmeg?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'yes, vonliege ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am very sceptical'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'couldnt we buy the nutmeg from someone else ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'http://www.amazon.com/Nathaniels-Nutmeg-Incredible-Adventures-Changed/dp/0140292608'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i can type it out, shorter than the book, but unless you'll listen i won't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, lets take over iran so that our eggnog tastes better ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'nutmeg also bures the plague though, according to the doctors at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'imagine you've got the fucking plague.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who had the plague in the 1950s ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and some asshole tells you nutmeg will cure it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i think i said it went back to the 1650's....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from the synopsis of that book, it covers more up till the 1700s... doesn't look like it goes into modern history'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas, or uranium I can believe....but not nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sigh....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day... sure.. nutmeg might have been reason enough... but in 1953?  I'm still sceptical'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'spice trade was the root of modern international corperate philosphy regarding trade.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the 1950s, we were in the cold war, and sources of uranium would have been more important then nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'corporate, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i have to pee, bbiab.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you are saying that the overthrow of iran in 1953 was for reaons that are LIKE that of nutmeg... but not ACTUALLY for nutmeg'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but with that argument, you could basically say it was like how the Romans attacked everyone to bring stability to the world and keep the resources flowing to Rome.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the UK/US is the modern Rome'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expand or perish'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to go vacuum seal some meat... and make supper.... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'okay, back...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i will tell you a story.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it will be long, and i will type and not reply to questions so save them for THE END.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'this is a story about muskets, and boats, and men with dreams.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'long ago, a portion of the world, through political alliance, stability, and crop rotation gained a tehnological advantage over the rest of the world. this portion of the world was known as western europe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it's people spread over all of man's dominion through the power of trade.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they invented the concept of commerce, in which the value of all things could be reduced to a standard measure, and because of the techological advantage provided to them by their muskets they gained the power to enforce their currencies upon the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the nations of western europe spread across the globe in search of resources to feed their public, and the eternal lust for more commerce. they purchased grains, and spices, and metals from nations who had never learned of their values from across the globe in exchange for a pittance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and when they returned home, their profits were enourmous.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they formed co-operative businesses among them, known as corporations. these business ventures had governmetn backings, from the very monarchs who rules their nations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'these corporations had exclusive rights, granted by the crown to trade (and kill) upon the right of the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dutch east india company ftw.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'YES RIZGOTH, the nutmeg book is about that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and their competition with the British East India Company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they were fighting over nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'because it could cure the motherfucking PLAUGE. (not really, but they thought so.)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gordon gecko loved the tulup mania.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tulip even'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and european businesses, not even governments, spread across the world and slaughtered.... just totally slaughtered, entire populations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the first corporations made the Nazis look like girl scouts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when did debate channel become history channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'past history provides an explanation for currect events and behaviours, that's when.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'also, this story ends with modern day iran, so....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're supporting an argument by providing a history lesson?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'fuck it. i give up. onslaught wins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saffron is still the most expensive spice in the world....about $2400 a lb.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wins what? I'm just asking questions'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'answer: yes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i am supporting an argument by providing historical evidence for that argument.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you think it will help your argument to provide a history lesson, by all means go for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love history, go eat a twinkie ons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i give up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry to interrupt :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'm done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no no no'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you were doing good'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'keep going, I wanna see what happens next!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i said i was done when i said THE END.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no, come back and be patronized some more'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well shit... we're all stuck in the 17th century now!?!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i already said you're right, onslaught.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'so stop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right about WHAT!?!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously I didn't have a bone here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that you need to go eat a damn twinkie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the modern world has nothing to do with what created it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm just trying to figure out what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and there are no lessons to be learned from the past.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'we should all just keep killing each other, death is evoltion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sincerely I apologize for breaking your uhh.. whatever I broke dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'you broke nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'you're the one who lost out, bro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the worlds largest arms dealer again.....China is 2nd, and Germany is 3rd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wheel keeps turning, we rarely learn from the past cause we have terrible attention spans.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fermented pork......no thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a restaurant in Thailand called Cabbages and Condoms....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with every meal, you get a free condom.....the restaurant got a grant of $1 million to give away more condoms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the $1 million grant came from the bill and melinda gates foundation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where does the $$ come from?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine with that... spend it how they want, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comes from bill gates's monopoly and government cronyism fund'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, as a whole, bangkok has a higher STD rate compared to any other city.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hence the condom program to get them to use more of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt a monopoly if no one has to buy it....:p  Go start up your own os for pcs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not from Microsoft'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about his portfolio interests in biotech and pharmaceutical companies'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many have tried, but people prefer winos'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how so ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how so what'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his donations to getting rid of malaria ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also on the board of Montsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Monsanto...good company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was Hitler an underachiever, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is forcing farmers to use roundup ready crops :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh, actually they are'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, there are lots of farmers who dont use them, they are called heirloom crops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where aid is given to third world countries in terms of agricultural aid, it is mandated they use montsanto seeds and are tied into montsanto IP'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heirloom crop production is growing pretty fast'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organic wheat flour, corn meal, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if I was giving aid to countries, I would send the cheapest easiest to grow crops also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd be a lot less concerned about them if they didn't have so much obvious power in the damn government'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about Cargill?  They are just as large as Monsanto.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you're not going to get an kudos from me until they start testing their products properly, and compensate every farmer who they have entrapped in a dodgy IP contract, or spurious lawsuit, when they stop lobbying government and remove from statute all the protections they paid to get in'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not interested in Cargill'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and also they need to compensate all bee owners for destroying the population'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have bees all over my yard'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wild bees are fine, it is the high stress bee industry that is having problems'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they move their bees all over the country, causing stress on them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abstracted: 'luck doesn't randomly modify the gains?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abstracted: 'xchan'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news! wildfire in california expected to gain strength as wind, heat ramp up'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'how exactly is that good news?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully it'll burn some fake liberals out'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wtf is a "fake" liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how is ANYONE being burned out ever good?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it could be good if you already planned to burn your hours down anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my hours?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. house'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure why my hands typed "hours"'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fake liberal is someone, usually a democrat voter, who claims to be liberal, but who, other than being pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, is anti-just-about-everything including anti-gun, anti-liberty, and anti-free speech'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ok, i don't have one'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, and therefore you want their lives destroyed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want it, but i'd not shed a tear'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they're quite happy to ruin -my- life'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but how can you think it's good news that it's about to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it's about to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'doesn't that follow in the wake of a wildfires that run out of control in habited areas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can do, though nobody said it was out of control, nor did i say it was in a deeply habited area'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not to mention the lives that might be lost amongst those who try to control it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well those people i feel for'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto: Food For A Better World.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food for a mostly dead world'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get whinged at for being unconcerned that a bunch of retarded liberals getting burned out, yet others on here advocating mass genocide and eugenics.... not a bad word to be said'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess apocalpyse would be no descriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non*'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I'm not constantly reading debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if they get burned out, they might move to the UK and live with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the street? sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to eat more soup......with vegetables, and SPICES'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you've dreamt up a different solution to the problems in our respective countries other than apocalypse or burning them out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them eat soup ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and bread, and cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will that solve it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure will....will be less constipated.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them buy soup with foodstamps, if they have any left over from the kfc and booze'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone deserves a good ramen soup with vegetables, bread and cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kfc doesnt accept food stamps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have tried :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere accepts foodstamps, it's called a black market'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could buy guns with foodstamps'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or drugs'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, foodstamps come on a debit card now'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will still inevitably be a means of defrauding the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's on a debit card just means needs the involvement of a store'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is true. I know a couple of local gun stores here in Texas that'll take those foodstamp debit cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really, send me the name of them, I would love to use my foodstamp card to buy some ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't contribute to abuse of the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so no'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means you are full of shit. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz getting foodstamps at all is an abuse of the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right.. because I won't give you an address so you can do something illegal, I am full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'makes perfect sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it does.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mainly because I dont believe it is possible, because you cant buy nonfood items with food stamp money.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he gives you the name, you'll dob them in, which means HE can't get ammo with his foodstamps anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a ship isnt going to 'trade' ammo for a card, the card gets recharged every month, so the person giving it up would be a moron.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shop even.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's all about how you code the transaction'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can buy frozen pizza with a card, but not a carton of cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's stopping the shop claiming it was frozen pizza when it was actually cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if you "buy" a frozen pizza for the price of a carton of cigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suppose you could buy a shitload of snickers bars with your foodstamps and sell em on the street to kids for 50 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to actually spend the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the food program will send anyone at least $200.00 per month'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, new arrested development episodes soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that show's still on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, was cancelled, then bought by Netflix, which is bringing it back after millions of fans wanted it back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'MSN is thinking about doing something similar with Heroes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'let me know if anyone says 'Firefly' '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to see Jericho come back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to see the Republic of Texas kick the shit out of Colorado.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or was it Wyoming.....cheyenne wyoming.....thats right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you's just shut up... I'm going to knock out a CP without being distracted by this stupid debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, lets tear down a perfectly good elementary school that cost upwards of $10 million to build.  They will probably sell it to someone for $250k, and the taxpayers will be suckered once again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, depends on the ROI on its stretch as a viable school. Schools aren't made to be profitable financially, so you have to compare the benefit of all of the students educated in it vs. the $10 million investment to build it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Really, getting the $250k back at all is icing on the "We didn't build this to make a profit" cake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not referring to a profit, just a knee jerk reaction to a fatal shooting at a school.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, you're referring to the loss of financial investment by destroying it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is still a waste of $10 million to tear it down, and then spend even more money building a new one just because of a shooting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'How old was the school?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The worth of a building is not defined by the cost to build it, it is defined by how much someone is willing to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you tear down a building because someone was shot in it? Makes no sense, what so ever.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there is some sense in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would be better to do something about the actual problem behind the shooting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If it's an older school tearing it down and building a new one might be cheaper than retrofitting an old one to meet new needs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'psychological trauma isn't exactly something you can just shake off'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But that's a totally different problem.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, looks like the school board voted to demolish the school and build a new one to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the school was a little over 10 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok, yeah, see, now that's a bit of a waste. While the trauma for the witnesses to the shooting is something that needs to be accounted for, there must have been a better way. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rebuilding the school will cost about $60 million.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're a superstitious people :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The school board decided that since they are tearing it down anyways, they might as well build a new one 2x as big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sounds like they're expected increased enrollment for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... expecting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or your school board is loaded and doesn't know what to do with their budget.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the newtown school board, deciding the fate of the sandy hook elementary.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohhh, yeah, okay, Sandy Hook? I can see why in that case, to be honest.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and just found the govt info for it...it was built in 1956, so replacing it would be a good idea then.....stupid news site said a little over 10 years....perhaps they renovated it 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's a black spot on your town's history you want to move past ASAP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that had to be the best 180 I've seen in a while :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '57 years is pretty old for a school, regardless of where it is :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, co2 concentrations in the atmosphere will reach 400 ppm this month.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yay!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '60 million years ago or so, it was around 1400 ppm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The spring is late this year, so therefore global warming must be a lie. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, no mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we burn all fossile fuels, we should be able to get back to that level, and get rid of all those pesky mammals on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt it would make that much of a difference.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'ranrr, you realize people are mammals, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. Forgot to raise the irony sign.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there would perhaps be less natural ice though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, my theory is that since fossil fuels are derived from fossils... i.e, dinosaurs, we're really releasing angry dinosaur spirits into the air. They're causing global warming to return the world to the state it was in when they were alive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Global warming is a lie, it's really a Dinosaur voodoo hex >:('
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most fossil fuels come from plants and life forms in shallow oceans, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look. Dude. Are you really going to reply to that seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I reply to everything, take a chill pill. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I. WILL. NOT. TAKE. A. CHILL. PILL.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil dinosaurs!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Thank you. That's more like it!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'ANGRY DINSOAUR GHOSTS FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to live long enough to see my house here in Houston underwater from the ocean rising.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You won't. '
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the world would be so much better if houston was gone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'd love to live long enough to see the Statue of Liberty crack, just so I can look inside and say, "Hey, I'm looking up her skirt!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean shit, if you're going to live for millions of years, you might as well get a peepshow out of it, amirite!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame the monkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohhh. I totally should! You guys will be dead, but I mean, trust me, die knowing that's gonna happen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice to be old enough to not really have to worry about the environment, anything we do will not have a huge effect over the next 30 years, and then I will die.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, screw the environment!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but what if Gaia theory is correct and you spend eternity floating inside a dying bloated rock? Then what mr. smarty pants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't waste my time with unproven theories. Except string theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'TBH, I know a lot of EEs, never heard of anyone of them doing a PhD, or even thinking about it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Everything's an unproven theory, even the laws of physics. We base our absolutes on what we know of the universe, which, at the end of the day, is very little. If any of our current held beliefs are ever proven wrong, the game changes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But I don't waste time with theories that require faith.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Again, all theories require faith, faith that what we're basing that proof on isn't contradicted by something else we haven't seen/found yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The laws of physics begin to break down at a deep enough sub atomic level, and we haven't reached the bottom yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, how would you differentiate a scientific theory that fits observation, from something like religion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, that science at least has something to go on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sea level is rising faster than the north american continental plate is rising.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, I use the word faith to describe stuff like religion. Like a lot of others so. Stuff that requires you to believe things without any proof for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, faith can easily be applied to a non-religious context as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, hence the word "like", instead of only.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Science vs. Religion again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, definition of the word "faith".'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3.5 million years ago the co2 concentration was around 400 ppm also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '4.6 billion years ago, the earth was a ball of lava. (ish)'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the 18th century, the co2 levels was around 280 ppm'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'but the earth is only 4.54bn years old Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hence the (ish).'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fravardin nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how much co2 would be trapped in the soil if we kept our grazing lands in a healthy state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obviously you can keep the co2 levels down and have millions of food animals like we do now, there were over 50 million bison in the great plains over 300 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not counting the millions of caribou in canada and alaska, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the soil in grazing lands was much more healthy compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To mark the crossing of 400 ppm, Scripps Institution of Oceanography launched a website and Twitter feed to provide daily readings from Mauna Loa. As of this writing, it stands at 399.29'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'are humens geting dumber? '
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'obviously'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is mean.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'what do you think of the homo sapiens'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'That's a human'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Third World" is an outdated term'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have one word to those morons in california who will lose their homes to the fires......CONCRETE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is interesting how mice smell much worse than rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lab mice or feed mice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never smelled lab mice before, so feed mice I guess....the ones you can buy at a pet shop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fancy rats are cool.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are feed mice the ones you feed to snakes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they smell ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'their piss smells really bad compared to rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must be their extremely high metabolism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This tv show is so stupid that it is kinda good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Arrested Development.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have never watched it'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all 3 seasons are on netflix, and new episodes start on the 23rd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sooo... Hemlock Grove: worth watching?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"natural law", or "civil law"  Which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, found my car coolant leak, shame the garage couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we have illegal military action being taken by Israel, when is the UN to going to condemn it and impose sanctions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with Israel pulling shit like that, it's easy to see why people like the Iranian president want Israel removed from the map'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, rat meat mutton....fresh from China.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US mint is going to produce %5 less $1 bills this year to promote the use of $1 coins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN achor had her phone stolen in downtown Atlanta while she was talking on it. Had she had a gun, she could have blown the motherfucker away'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'presumably the crook was pointing a gun at her.  Compounded by the fact that she was distracted by actually using the device, she probably wouldn't have been ready to pull the trigger in such a way that she herself didn't get first blown away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use your computer to track down the phone via its gps chip, and blow the guy away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just youths grabbed it out of her hand and ran'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, she'd still be distracted.  People will actually walk straight into canals and shit while talking/texting on a cellphone, and they aren't likely to be in a ready stance (ie, the gun is put away, there's something else in their other hand, etc).  By the time she got the gun out and tried to point it at the youths, they'd have gotten far enough away to seek cover.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what if it's a busy place like the streets of NY where just about everyone walks?  She's not very likely to just start shooting into a crowd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not to mention shooting someone for taking your cell phone is a bit heavy handed. That's a "beat their ass a bit" offense, not a "gun them down like dogs" kinda thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be George Zimmerman all over again, heh.  The poor youth not only was running away but he only had a cellphone in his hand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, at least these guys actually did something besides being black and wearing a hoodie. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think so at all, cuthbert, someone ruffs me up and nicks my shit, i'm going to take them down'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most people don't think like you, or at least react like you think you'd react (I'm assuming you've never been in such a situation before).'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Me or Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not been mugged, no, were i to live somewhere where it were common, i'd go armed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: ''cause I mean, I've been jumped twice in my life and while I'd love to have seen the guys get their asses beat, I definitely wouldn't have condoned killing them for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting 'most people' have been given victim training, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does victim training include whipping out a gun to shoot the perps, or failing that to take off after them hoping to overtake them and maybe get their stuff back?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither option is what your earlier comments implies'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, victim training involves being robbed, doing nothing, and imagining that the police can somehow stop it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Kansas has stuck two fingers up at Noddy Holder and said "bring it!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh, in states that have a sales tax, even if your online out-of-state retailer doesn't apply it you're supposed to pay it when you file your state return.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though new laws being considered by the administration would force etailers to collect state tax on behalf of the buying person's state'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt9kRLrmrjc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN still doesn't know that the Feds can tap into anyone's voicemail and/or emails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there's a difference between "can tap into" and "record everything at all times"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well no, that's no a difference at all, since they can do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do record everythign at all time'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they -have- to, else they can't go back and reference it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'CNN is surprised that everything is always recorded'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that IS different from the ability to do it or the ability to tap someone's phone going forward'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"tapping into" is what they can do legally with a warrant in order to present it in court as evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording everything is what they now do as a matter of course (extra judicially)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that is what CNN is surprised about'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tried setting up the same thing here in the UK, but have been blocked so far'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as far as you know anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are they surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, why is their presenter surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because it's extra-judicial, as you said, and it's rare to have someone actually admit to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course the guy isn't in the FBI now'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but still, fairly high level admission'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naivity, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well whether the host is naive or not, the presentation is directed to the audience'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had it been anyone else except him saying it, they'd have been calling it a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well a guy who ran AT&T once mentioned they'd set up their networks so the NSA can have full access'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and other people in various positions (who would know) have hinted at it as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'modern version of echelon and such'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and i've heard the same thing from other sources, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not surprised'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm sure some people would be'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some wonderfully asleep people out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people have more immediate concerns'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Scientists have found in a new study that Facebook causes psychotic episodes and delusions'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no surprise to some of u'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't have a FB account and never will'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Same here'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're both potential terrorists, according to the FBI'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and should be barred from gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shit nuggets I must be a mole then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you should WANT to spew your entire life over the internet to the public, where corporations can leaf through it for profit purposes, and where the feds can nose through it for possible dissent'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a mole, noegel, you're just a racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'employers will not hire you because of what's on your FB page, but if you don't have a FB page they won't hire you because that's suspicious'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Racist against my own people :'('
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go us'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're not racist against your own people, you're just racist for not having FB'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh ok, that's cool then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently jew burning is fine, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im a teacher with some foul mouthed friends. i can't use facebook.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're missing nothing, hwuaij'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and as a result, you're a potential terrorist, but look on a bright side, reduces your chance of developing psychosis.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if you're alwasy psychotic? will having FB cancel that out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'SO, if a terrorist with psychosis opened a Facebook, what would happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you can have your rights removed on two accounts, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews buried the dinosaur bones in the earth to confuse people....there were no dinosaurs!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought they taught that in school now, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a terrorist with psychosis opened facebook, they'd realise they're on the payroll of the CIA, noegel'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wonder if aard channel communications are being captured by the NSA too'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if not, this would be a great terrorist meeting platform'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc is a member of the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're being captured by me :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He logs all channels'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably being scraped by them, not like it's encrypted or anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well in tells then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and turned over to the authorities regularly'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abe Lincoln, CIA Agent... sounds like a terrible hollywood movie coming out soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we grew 1800 pot plants in a rental last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plain telnet, a wireshark anywhere between source and destination will do'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brought to you by the makers of other shit movies with political agendas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at Rizgoth's remark.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Defence Distributed are about to release plans of a fully 3d-printed plastic gun. Only metal components needed are a firing bin and small chunk of metal to make it comply with undetectable firearms laws. Has prompted certain parts of the adminstration to argue for a ban on plastic firearms.....  they probably haven't realised that BULLETS cannot be 3d printed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not yet anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're working on that, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if you could ban 3d printed anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'meh, some dude made a printed gun a year ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it all a bit hilarious, what are they expecting to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I printed a donkey last week.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DD is doing it mass-production style, however.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well people who can print plastic guns from a file on the net can use them to get past metal detectors, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no benefit to doing it mass-production style...it's an inefficient process for an inferior product...the point of 3d printing is the opensourceness and anywhereness of it, not a manufacturing technique'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they cannot'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they cannot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not without removing the metal parts first, or taking them seperately'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and still leaves them without ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they can't...no more than Glocks get through security'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'do you actually doubt they'll figure out how to make printed bullets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'would be interesting to see how one printed with the metal pieces shows up on a scanner, vs a real gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure the scanners have more than enough ability to see through bags.  The obvious schape would trigger a search.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy who 3d printed a gun, did a 3rd version that fired over 1800 times before it cracked.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not talking about just airports'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would be the least likely place someone would try to smuggle one in'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they find a way of making plastic bullets, then chances are no amount of security will help someone intent on taking them on board'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'OBJECTION. Opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are also odor-sniffers and such, in some markets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you can make a bullet out of ice, you can make one out of plastic.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just how you design the gun that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of a list of things to be worried about? Plastic guns shouldn't even make the list'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being able to make one out of ice is a fallacy, really...'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I'm not worried about it, and I don't think you can/should ban them either, but I do see why it's a security concern'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can stuff a hunk of ice into the top of a shell moments before firing...that's not the same as carrying around ice shells'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ice ends up not surviving the firing explosion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a ceramic gun that shoots nitrogen cooled bullets, that kill and melt, leaving no evidence in the body. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Banning them is pointless. Just means the people who were going to use them illegall will make them illegally as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, pointless banning them'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meat bullets are better than ice bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and shotgun shells have been mostly-plastic for ages, as well as pistol shells with those plastic bubble caps'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or rather, use them for illegal purposes would make them illegally'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is like saying it's pointless to make murder illegal since people intent on murder will do it anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shots in shotgun shells are not plastic'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Abe.... The shell is mostly plastic yeah - but the payload, more analagous to a bullet, certainly isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no need for it to be metal, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No need, but they are not mostly plastic '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's for conventional reasons, not technological ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would doubt plastic would be sufficiently dense to make good shotgun shot'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't have to be a good one'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'necessary limitations placed on the design by physics of motion'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I'm aware, abe. Theres any number of payloads used in shotgun shells, including small grenade'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'small grenades, rather'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in good news, there was a sizeable swing to the United Kingdom Independence Party in local elections, sending them from nowhere to 2nd place with 25% of the vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love sandbag shotgun shells.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar thing seen across Europe where people are losing all faith in establishment parties'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is still missing it's 3rd party surge, i guess you guys have bigger paying lobbyists, and a more deeply brainwashed populace to contend with'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need to make government staff legally and financially responsible in cases where they're being sued individually for misdeeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consequently, law enforcement should be barred from bringing civil damages suits against citizens and companies except where criminal negligence has been proven'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a recent episode at a town near me, where a female cop "tripped over a curb" while responding to an break-in call, and is now suing the garage owner for $75,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like the female cop needs to grow a pair'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hitler or bush jr'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'haha... for what? target practice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'no the better leader lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hitler was an amazing leader, Edicius. '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Saying nothing for what he actually lead people to do'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But when he lead, people certainly followed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who do you think contributed more?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'hmm. Hard to say.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'Well, one pretty much ended calling boys "Adolph"... that's gotta be worth something.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol i think hitler contributed more to the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my dog is named adolph'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'without hitler and the nazi party we would still be in the stone age for mental disorders and genetics'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Edicius person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thank you bee'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lots of medical research completed when you don't have to worry about pesky ethics!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't even be in space, for that matter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'exactly and i think the brits and the US knew what was going on over there more then they let on'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'it was kinda the perfect scape goat for human testing'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before or after the wartime dramas?  I doubt we engineered a botched takeover or secretly encouraged his efforts to do what we wouldn't (and later betraying him), but taking over his shit and continuing his work wouldn't surprise me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think they funded alot of things for hitler and his SS '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Perhaps they did, Edicius, but Japan really fucked Hitler up by bombing Pearl harbor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'didnt that happen after hitler "died"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hitler died in 44 or 45.  Pearl Harbor happened in 41.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'He died in 45'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'alrite'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Hitler fucked himself up I'd say. He had Germany declare war on US after Japans attack on Pearl Harbour. Not a very smart move.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'not to mention his overconfident invasion of russialand'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'A front divided in three army groups was not a good idea, no.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'none of his generals dared voice their disapproval though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'war with the US was a foregone conclusion once Pearl Harbor happened.  Hitler would've done a lot better to ignore/back off/assuage russia and focused on the west.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'for which I think we should be very thankful'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even if Germany ended up taking over the rest of Europe and deeply bloodying the US, I think Russia would've been okay with it if Germany simply kept their distance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea true enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps, but Hitler being Hitler couldn't leave russia be. He hated communism and always distrusted russians. He also wanted the minerals and oil that was over there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if they got along things would have been fucked beyond repair'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How does nature create perfectly hexagonal stone spires, hundreds of them in one location ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like in deserts?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'something to do with the crystaline structure of carbon?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, like the stone causeway in northern ireland'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perfectly sculptured hexagonal stone seems so unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, a sculptured hexagonal stone IS unnatural ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even when nature does it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'depends on if it was done by man or aliens...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nature doesn't sculpt or chisel'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with water it can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'define sculpt'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by definition it's unnatural'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still find it interesting though, how so many of them can be in one place, and all hexagonal shapes made of stone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'To form with the chisel on, in, or from, wood, stone, or metal; to carve; to engrave.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so have you heard of water-carved trenches?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in a hexigon? no.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hexagon*'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'put aside the hexagon thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'I'm telling you... It's chemistry.  It's the way crystals form.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the statement was not aside from the hexagon thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'put aside the hexagon thing for now'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they all forms the exact same way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'formed that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'nah... depends what it's made out of.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'and which temperature/pressure, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are hundreds if not thousands of them there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 40,000 interlocking basalt columns in the shape of a hexagon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sooo..'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, those snooty brits wont let you take photos of the crown jewels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Riz.. would you let some random foreigner take pictures of YOUR crown jewels?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my dog just loves psy....she goes crazy running around whenever she hears his music.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it looks good, eat it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh man....17 lbs of various fish....$15 at a seaport in Morroco.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er Morocco'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the nursing field, Men have an average anual salary of $60,000.  Women average $51,000.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Too much unspoken there - Can't speak to how aggressive women are for pushing for higher entry salary + raises.  So the discussion is moot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'is this for fulltime work of both parties? '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'full time, far as I know...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's the real issue....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Still, doesn't matter.  You have nothing that speaks to how aggressive women are vs men in asking for more money on entry + upon raises.  It's a major factor in these discussion and everyone sidesteps it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Do men and women deserve to make the same pay for the same work - you bet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Xaeris touched on it... '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'we live in a world where people are hyper competitive and refuse to disclose salaries.  This means a lot of undercutting of people in roles to save money as a company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously men work harder than women'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the case of nursing, the disparity is almost all obsorbed by the fact that male nurces tend to be in more highly specialised fields than females'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one side of the issue will attempt to convince you that employers just chose not to pay women as much, or promote them as often... the other side will try to convince you that there are differences dictated by human nature that lead to differetn outcomes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in some sense it IS social -- we socialize women to be 'nice girls' and 'get along' and socialize men to 'push harder' and 'be number 1''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'lol. Can you spit gum on an american pavement without being told you're a (add generalization)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be a "social" factor, as opposed to a "natural" factor'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '@Majic - Agreed.  I think the point I had made, is also the biggest thing that causes salary disparity with that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods xaeris, but also that women are far more likely to take part-time work for a few years to have/raise children, which really derails a career'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially in something which requires currency in the field such as STEM research, for example'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Xaeris and Majic... please clarify - are you saying that men just get more because they are men, or because they are expected to push harder to be number 1, and moreoften BECOME number1?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't word that quite right'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Von, I'm also saying that a man who's doing twice the work of anyone else is more likely to ask for a raise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the other thing I'm saying is that everything is too stinking interconnected to really point at one thing and say 'aha! here's the key!''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's a debate closer'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moving on'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'do you think ghosts wear clothes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I would if I were a ghost.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ghost clothes? Where would you buy them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'd probably just go get my stuff I have now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they aren't ethereal pants!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'must they be?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts, or according to some accounts by stephen wagner's fanbase, including some of the images he shows, shows ghosts wear clothes. Cross referencing a few 'witness' cases, its apparent to me that ghosts would wear whatever was sentimental to them in life or what they wore right before they died'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would wear my favorite pair of boo-jeans'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns beet red, and hides her face in her palm.
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'do you intend on scaring mortals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what else can you do as a ghost?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its a form of suspended animation'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what can a zombie do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'so what your saying is that we would see their clothes and not the ghosts , because the clothes are made of physical material... Or are you saying that ghosts can transform physical metarial into to metaphysical material?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts would be stuck in a space of reoccuring amnesia. Go through a house at night, believe themselves to be still alive, ignore everyone and do their business. Before dawn, they'd disperse, only to return the next night, repeating the same actions'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'no no , i dont want to scare the mortals. Im just questioning the existance of ghosts'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think its people who've died, but couldn't come to terms with death / bluffed their minds into believing they aren't dead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'great! Gtg , my teacher just came into the class. Bye people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what i'm saying, avieta, is that ghosts are as real as light projections. Their clothing would exist out of the very same matter as they are. Some call them ethereal, other recon they're made out of ectoplasm.. '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ever seen a ghost in rl?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts sometimes linger around places where they died and sometimes they'd be aware of you and give very cryptic clues of how they died'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'other topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's one that might get some emotions up....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"special needs children (autistic, asperbers, etc...) do not belong in the mainstream classroom."'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'sad but true'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, society has placed "inclusiveness" and "esteem" ahead of "achievement" and "acedemics"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well the real problem is feasibility. Kids with Aspergers I'd argue do belong in a mainstream classroom. I've taught several kids with it and typically their achievement isn't below the others, just their social skills.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Other disabilities can require extensive assistance to achieve success however, and it's unfair to both teachers and other students to expect the teacher to dedicate all of their time and resources to 1 out of 25 kids.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as their social shortcomings can be controled with discipline (prefered) or meds, I'd go with that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It generally doesn't even require medication, they just have no grasp of social propriety. They're awkward, not malicious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In terms of academics the kids I've worked with have been near the top of the class consistently.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you have to be "malicious" to completly up-end a classroom. mental capacity is, however, not really an issue for aspergers'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But it's other spectrum disorders that require the debate. I had one student who didn't do anything, literally -nothing-. She wouldn't write tests, wouldn't do homework, wouldn't study, wouldn't follow along with the class. And it wasn't like you could talk to her about it because she just sat there and didn't answer. You had to physically sit there and tell her what she had to do, and watch her do it, or she simply wouldn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'She needed a dedicated assistant because while I COULD sit there and help her, it meant I couldn't watch or help the rest of the class.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But dedicated assistants require resources the school board simply doesn't have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's my primary issue - the time and effort it takes to drag a child along'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the high to average functioning students are made to lag behind while they catch up'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly. I went out of my way to help her, gave up lunch hours so she could work on a math test (3 of them), gave her 2 full Math periods so she could work on it, offered help, advice, and whatever assistance I could short of doing it for her... and afterwards she was still only half done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Her, and students like her, are ill-served by being put into a regular classroom they can't keep up in. Her grades are awful but not because she's dumb or anything, but because she simply can't be given the dedicated help she needs to succeed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz - do you have GI Joe numbers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nopers'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my boy and I thought we were going to see IM III... we left for town in time to get the theater 60 minutes before the first show (1100), and figured we'd get tickets for the first non-soldout showing....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first non-sold out show turned out to be 2105 this evening'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it made $175 million in the US/Canada...the 2nd most of any film after the Avengers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, online tickets are flying.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had a bad trip with fandango once... don't trut them anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making 3x your budget in the first weekend is good for a big budget film though....$200 million to make.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bought fandango tickets to a REALLY popular show opening weekend... '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to the theater... had to stand in line anyway to redeem the tickets - got to the front and was told the show was sold out.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if gi joe went up against im3, it probably made 10m :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reason I asked about GI Joe is that the boy and me went to see that instead, since we were in town... and I wonder how much of GI Joe sales can be credited to saold out ironman'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice price on the token'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Disney is on a roll....buying Marvel was their best purchase in years, other than LucasFilms'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I bet Disney makes a lot more money from Marvel over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neighbor kid came back from pring break trip to distopia... I mean disney land with a lightsabre wielding micky mouse... it didn't bode well for the franchise'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just wait til they add the Wookie Slide at the water park. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'may the mouse be with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking about mices... how about that mouse-pox?  expected to wipe out the entire world in less than 30 days'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '98% death - 2% sterilization = zero humans!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's my source, you ask?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well none other than ALEX JONES!  dun DUN dunnnnnnnnnn!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'alex jones'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... is it all lower case?  my bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, gi joe made 1.2 million, down 65% from last week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gosh... almost as much as IM3?!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege snickers
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much every american film lost at least 30% from last week'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... GIJ was such a horrible movie... it was like they said "IM3's coming out WHEN?" and gave up'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gij hasnt even made its budget yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will make it during the rental release though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '"Deploy the sharks!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to see if a film had made its budget....take the total box office and reduce it by 50%.....half goes to the theatres, half to the production/distribution companies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as a theatre doesnt have too much debt, they should always be making a profit from showing films.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so im3 has made $100 million over its budget for Disney....not bad for the first weekend.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even evil dead 2013 made a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lots of good movies lined up for the summer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course - we won't go see too many of them, but good movies for the summer means good rentals for the fall'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Belagio hotel in las vegas goes through 2000 lbs of king crab and 6000 lbs of steak every day at the buffet....plus 16000 chocolate bon bons'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and everything is cooked onsite, or made from scratch on site.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the MGM's 10 properties, including the Bellagio, has a recycling program that turns all the waste food from the buffet and room service into pig food, the processing of the waste food also finds about $15 million in thrown away utensils and other hotel stuff per year.  That plus the pig farm producing pork for Las Vegas pays for the recycling program.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Bellagio also goes through 3000 lbs of fish each day at the buffet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you're truly this bored you could go on some gold runs for me'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or, put less politely: Riz - why should I be giving a fuck about all of this trivia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there a point to this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the MGM grand is planning on opening the Star Wars experience in 2015.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'still not seeing a point here...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more proof that Mom may have known what she was talking about when she said "A little dirt didn't hurt nobody!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'swedish researchers just completed a study that says parents who pick up a dropped pacifier and suck it clean for baby may boost their children's immune systems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'suck it clean? hell, wipe it on your pants!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not clean enough.  It's the spit that's key.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bunker buster bombs....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder who bought the Greenbriar hotel congressional bunker.....in 1995, a newspaper outed the bunker, so the govt shut it down, and built a new congressional bunker somewhere else to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US sold 25 of those next generation smart bunker buster bombs to Israel for $75 million.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about Google getting into banking?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as it doesnt postpone their high speed internet network'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps someday you will be paid in google dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, Africa's first female billionaire just happens to be the daughter of longtime ruler of Angola....Stealing from the people does pay well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Angola just happens to be the 2nd largest oil producer in Africa.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woot woot on the internet sales tax!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '178 Destroyers were built for WWII, and 25 of them were sunk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why is it that ruacus, roudy, indiciplined politial protests are alway perpetrated by liberals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'because they're the funny ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not much funny about turning over cars and crapping in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not yet give it time but I agree it was... uncalled for'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the 'tea party' has a protest or a deomstration, they have a cleanup detail for afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'wouldn't that be nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'agnostics are smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried moonpies sprinkled with powdered sugar and dipped into maple syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'jesus'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'please don't'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone has to fill the fiery pits of hell one day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'if you believe in hell'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I, along with 74% of the planets population do'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not including beliefs that do not include a "hell" perse'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyones hell is different, it is based on your psychology.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'its not that i dont i just doubt the existence of a being that can be all forgiving and yet send people to burn for eternity in a pit of fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell to one person might not be hell at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to another'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jesus (my lord and savior) doesn't want ANYONE to go to the fiery pits... He offers complete absolution.  Only those that reject him will burn in hell.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should watch the film, What Dreams May Come.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i doubt that an all forgiving being can be so petty as to say 'if you don't believe in me i'll send you to burn for eternity''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe that part isnt up to him'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'how can it not be if he is all powerful'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You have free will.  believe what you must - but consider...  Satan's GREATEST accomplishement has been convincing the world that he does not exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but hell isnt permanent, just a place to pay for your sins'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that, Modi, is pergetory... a uniquly Catholic beliefe (in Christian churches)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i believe god exists but not in any of the known religious ways'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better settle on something and believe in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'religion was created by man, spirituality comes from within.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'so therefore im doomed to suffer for all eternity though i have broken no law or commandment and without trial? freewill may exist on earth but not in a religous afterlife'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while it's true that "religion" is not a path to salvation, Jesus was NOT created by man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'so therefore im doomed to suffer for all eternity though i have broken no law or commandment and without trial? freewill may exist on earth but not in a religous afterlife'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither was Darth Vader.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sadly, moonpie, yes... but salvation is available to you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about hindu?  Are they going to hell ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or what about aborigines in australia...them too ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'by giving up my own beliefs and replacing them with beliefs that are not my own and living a lie is that what god would want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure they have their own notions, but from my perspective, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'by giving up my own beliefs and replacing them with beliefs that are not my own and living a lie is that what god would want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'belief is irrelevant, choosing good over evil is all the matters'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'australian aboriginies are 22% Catholic'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sue about the protestant distrobution.. but there's likely a few'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stinky tofu had to have been created by the devil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so call it an even 30%'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'god would kill the 2/3 of the world and send them to hell just because they don't believe his son was the savior how petty of an all powerful being'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your religious affiliation doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you're right (and God is), and he gives you the option - it's on you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have a choice... can't get much more fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hell doesnt exist, there are just infinite levels of heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what option its believe or suffer for an eternity and live a lie at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'fair the whole thing is unjust'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'declare for Jesus, and you are not living a lie... you are living the very purest truth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'declaration doesnt matter either, practice does'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz... care to associate some of that with a particular religion?  'cause looks to my like your just whacking at the KB.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but they are not my beliefs and would so circumvent freewill that god put us here for '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda like the Elysian Fields.....that is the greek version of heaven, infinite levels of heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... bit with Jesus... there is infinite GRACE... you ARE going to mess up, and that's OK.. as long as you are twue to Jesus, there is forgiveness'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but it was made only for Menelaus, and that guy was a prick, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They only started letting other people in later :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't it have something to do with him having 'play things'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All dogs go to heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'I don't share christian beliefs and the only way i can avoid hell is by lying so that i appear to share those beliefs tell me how is that fair and just and show forgivness'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Greek version of Heaven was basically unilateral.  Hades was just as much a reward as Elysium was. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, hard to say. It was a literary invention created by Homer I believe. Same way Tartarus was created by... I wanna say Virgil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you are "lying", and only "pretend" to have those beliefs [Jesus], then you are not saved anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'if god really were all forgiving he would let everyone go to heaven no matter of belief'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'then its lose lose how is that fair or just'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what christian beliefs do you not share, moonpies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like I said before, religion, hell, fire, satans minions torturing you, it was all created by organized religion to scare the sheep into keeping the church in power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dont have a religion at all i believe in a higher power just not one that pertains to any religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hell was a creation of Virgil based on his description of Hades as a place of tortured souls. The Christians just kinda took that to help 'em out.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Before Virgil Hades was simply a dark place where souls wandered.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the image of hell has certainly been embelished - by artists, priest, the church - the only true interprutation we have of hell from the bible is 'seperation from God'... and it can't get any worse than that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dante's Inferno'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ol' Virg has Dante beat by a millenium or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't the Vikings pretty dark about their Hel, too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said - the bible says 'hell' is 'seperation from God'... the rest is a product of pop culture (thru all history), the church, artists, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes you wonder how an atheist who did it wrong views Heaven...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'the bible was written centuries after the events took place relying on oral transission to keep it alive which is as unreliable as wikepedia'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'untrue'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'completely true'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Wikipedia is much more unreliable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, everyone knows humans never embelish the stories they learn....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I liked Piers Anthony's (I think) "On a Pale Horse". The afterlife is an extension of expectation. Everyone goes where they think they'd go, and Atheists simply cease to exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would atheists cease to exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because it's what they expect.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone ever see the film, Defending Your Life ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'which is probably how goliath came to be ten feet tall and all it took was a pebble in the right place'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds like a Lifetime movie.  Couldn't have been any good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "Bible" is the undeniable Word of God.  Quite simple, really.  Ask America, and more than 50% would agree, though 80% profess to be Christian.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As I recall in the book Death is arguing with a guy who'd just killed himself, an atheist, who refused to accept he was dead because if he was dead he wouldn't exist to be arguing it, and ends up fading away into nothing rather than accept that he was dead and move on :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an albert brooks film.....pretty funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that in America we have more flavors of the Christian faith than we have flavors of Baskin Robbins ice cream?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'have you ever read the bible? it is more confusing and contradicting than a dog chasing his tail'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many times over more flavours, I would imagine....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with the bible is that its been openly changed since its first incarnation, and has been loaded up with social constructs meant to lend a religious-flavour to laws and expectations of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are a 'melting pot' after all... but they all have a common thread - Jesus Said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gays are bad = need more babies to pay taxes and fill armies, pork is bad = poor cleaning techniques lead to sickness from tainted pig meat, Don't open umbrellas inside = someone got poked in the eye!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's bed time for me... have a good eveining.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'dont make me laugh you cant really believe that an all powerful all knowing all loving god would send about 4.5 billion people to the firey pits of hell just because they dont believe in his son'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think the muslim extremists might be in for a surprise....those 72 virgins could be gay.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, I like religion as a concept, it's just easily abused by ambitious and remorseless people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'People blame religion for the world's problems, but if religion were wiped out these people would just find a new cover for their inhumanity.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also enjoy blaming the US, even though we send them more aid then anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yup. The U.S could do more to help their own case, and the U.S domestic policies in regards to 'security' are terrifying; they'll keep me from visiting anytime soon, but it's amazing how easily people ignore the good they do in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'silly beliefs aside, as long as we practice the fundementals of christianity, faith, charity and love for ALL people, we'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert enthusiastically high-fives Modi!
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im going to ignore that'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So.. you're anti-not being an asshole to other people?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'those fundementals were around before christianity and do not belong soley to that religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because at its core, that's what Christianity purports to preach, and I mean, it's hard to argue with that being a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'those are the fundamentals of christianity, though, lots of us forget it'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yes but they are not only christian beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, fair enough Moon, but you're arguing semantics. Don't be an asshole, whether done from religious teachings or not, still has the same result.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Namely, fewer assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'true, moonpies, there were good people before christ, and whatever you want to call them, they will be fine, '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Do it in the name of the FSM for all I care.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'FSM?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im a wicked man myself, but i wish to be more righteous, just find it hard'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'you have commited no sin that can't be forgiven...by  fellow man that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, I don't sweat the small stuff. If there is a God, I'm sure he'll be cool with an apology.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And if not, 99% of us are fucked anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'your screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So hey, party in hell. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think moonpies is a mooney......:p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Moonpies ) why not partys are fun
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'no im a looney and theres a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -- Mark Twain'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bengazi is going to blow up'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pakaran: 'you know, this is the first time I've even heard it mentioned in weeks'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big testemony today'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the media is so polarized, that you will see nothing but Bengazi Bengazi Bengazi Bengazi on one station, and only silence on the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The cline shale in West Texas is estimated to have almost 30 billion barrels in recoverable oil reserves right now.  The Cline Shale is part of a shale geologic formation in the Permian Basin area which encompasses most of west Texas.  That brings Texas to 6 producing shale fields now, with lots more coming on line.  The drillers have been using vertical fracturing at the Cline, because the oil field is extremely thick, moreso compared to other Texas shale deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in the Cline is expected to by around 1.8 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drill it an burn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pretty much all of Texas is going to be a boomtown with oil and gas production in the coming years....and it will last for decades :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'north dakota, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention new oil shales being found in Oklahoma....truck drivers are driving oky oil to the gulf coast because there is so much.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll be able to sell the chinese more oil than they know what to do with!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and the govt just doubled the amount of recoverable oil in the bakken shale formation of north dakota to 8m barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 8 billion barrels'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine works for an oil services company....he loads up with oklahoma oil and drives it 550 miles south to a gulf coast refinery....he makes about $24 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not bad for someone who has been driving for less then 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Three Forks Shale formation in north dakota has started producing.....and energy companies are optimistic that this deposit could bigger than the bakken oil production by 2-3x.  That could add another 1-3 million barrels of new oil per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you count the new red river and madison shale formations, north dakota is going to be swimming in even more oil in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those peakers must be having nightmares with all this new oil production in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll share it with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for free'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll give the WHOLE world a taste of 'entitlement', then we will be in charge!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'referring to the peak oil fanatics who said the world was going to run out of oil and we would be paying $300 a barrel for oil :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll give them some, too... free oil for EVERYONE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always dreamed of a day when the USA could provide for the needs of the whole world!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad it is illegal for the US to export oil :('
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt want to export oil anyways....we have the refineries that can turn it into refined products and export those....a tanker of gasoline or diesel is worth much more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the birth rate for women on public assistance is three times that of women who are not on public assistance. (155 births / 1,000 vs 53 births / 1,000)'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, 2 elementary school kids were suspended for making gun noises and pretending a pencil was a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made, Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools told WAVY,'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving public schools are run by airheads'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more pragmatic way of dealing with the kids would have been to castigate them for pointing loaded pencils at people'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eye-witness accounts to the boston bombing followup suggest that the MIT campus cop was shot by another policeman in a friendly fire incident, and NOT as reported by the fleeing bombing suspects'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4cDUp61PNI'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hate search engines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'write your own, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no thanks, I will just stop using them, since they dont work anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they already filter out the real porn anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like that show Masterchef....it is like a different side of gordon ramsay.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, talk about highway robbery....$2.68 for 5 lbs of sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'anyone up for a quick debate til my quest comes round?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'pinheaded angels? free will? unicovality? haeccity? axiology?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'should i respond to a letter from some person on the ivory coast that wants me to let them transfer funds to my account?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'give me your credit card number, and i'll check it out and make sure it's legit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'i don't have it with me, but call me later and i can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, light sweet crude is a nice orange to yellow color......wth did they call it black gold for ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the drilling mud is blacker in color compared to the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore said there is no such thing as ethical oil'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algore is a hypocrit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his family owns a huge mine in Tennessee that creates tons of pollution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJQIIzcyII   a donkey has a hard on for a sunbather in mexico......'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://news.yahoo.com/your-own-black-box-162809896.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a nice complement to the personal airbag, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does it give a donkey a hard on ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a 6th grader gets busted for pot in school - small town - and doesn't get suspended - back in school the next day - no explanation given to the teachers or anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pot gets a bad rap, you know.  It's the only carcinogen that doesn't cause lung cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same school - kid wears a tshirt with his daddy on it (soldier serving in AF) - and gets suspended for two days because of the gun in the picture'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a sixth grader - don't even try to convince me that it's "OK"'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was that the same school where the kids broke out into a gangbang when the teacher left the room unattended?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that I'm aware of... I'de have heard about that - like I said.  Small town'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kids were even smart enough to post lookouts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sixth graders?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's just all the way wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'middle schoolers, don't recall if they were 6th grade or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could have been 7,8 or 9... 6th in some areas'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, in 6th grade we didnt have gangbangs....we had rocket club.....built model rockets and launched them....but I hear rocket club was cancelled eventually because of insurane reasons....I hate insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely wasn't 9-12.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'insurance is destroying our way of life....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least it was kids being kids.  This is worse, though: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/oxnard-middle-school-rock_n_573192.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not insurance.  Safety.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is so unsafe about model rockets and chemical engines ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solid fuel is safe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz - it's not the insurance... insurance is a symtom of a litigation happy society where "sueing for hot coffee" is acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am glad I am not a kid today....no dodgeball, rockets, walking to school, walking home, and the school board even tried to forbid leaving the campus at the high school for lunch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but everyone ignored it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'high schoolers cannot leave campus for lunch anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they tried to do it at my hometown.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanna have fun in today's world, you have to run the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i was allowed to....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our district, I think, allows it now, but they didn't let it happen during the 90s when I was attending.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'was it too dangerous or something?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I suppose they didn't trust us to come back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is always that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'though officially I think they were just afraid of getting sued if something happened to us off-campus while they were in charge of our well-being.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we didn't have Megan's Law or Amber Alerts and stuff, after all, and certainly not as many camaras.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'neither did we. just televisions in case we need serious babysitting'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, they had just upgraded to them when I was attending.  Before then if we wanted video we had to use those old projectors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i remember those.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we wanted video, we had to go to the art room, and make still action pictures and then move them in order........'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and only the administration offices had air conditioning.  The rest of us suffered with fans and wide-open windows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'uh, we had AC. sorry, man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we didnt need AC in Alaska....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and back then, parents wanted you to look your best for school so you couldn't wear shorts and t-shirts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think many schools now have a uniform policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you can slam it past the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, most still don't.  A definite dress code, for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'liberals are DEAD set against uniforms'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, $2.8 million investment on an oil well, and $40 million profit over its lifetime....not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local sams club didnt carry it..they only had the walmart brand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like we might be replacing street lamps with glow-in-the-dark trees one day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, like on Pandora...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese claim jumpers in ghana....send in the marines!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is shame they are cutting down all those cocoa trees in ghana to get at the gold.....indefinite cocoa production is worth more then the gold.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pakaran: 'that's what happens when you base an economy on resource extraction.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anyone from Virginia who supports the 2nd ammendment planning on going on the DC march on 4th July with Adam Kokesh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like the Benghazi testimony didn't have the 'smoking gun' factor that many were hoping for.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define smoking gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the people on the ground were crying out that they were being attacked and wanted help and it was refused? thatcame out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that hilary didn't even read the cables? that came out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heavily damning evidence that HAS to lead to dire punitive action... in this case, towards the administration, or the State Department'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the administration pushed a myth that it was a demonstration against that youtube video when they knew that wasn't true? that came out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that hasn't come out is WHY they were told to stand down'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where are all the weapons now that were housed there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes and yes.. but despite that... there seem to be no 'traction' towards doing something about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nixon was impeached for far less.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all valid points.. but yet and still... where is the public outcry?  EVERYone seemed to want Nixon's head.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if we never find out the motivation for this, or if somehow it is proven that it was incompetence, Hilary should be forced to step down, and should be barred from running in 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a combination of mainstream media whitewashing, misdirection, and careful spin'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I concure... but the reality is that that just 'aint going to happen... it's like they're all covered with teflon®'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why people need to put on pressure'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got yourselves to blame'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'careful how you define "yourselves"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you complain about incompetent government, and then don't get angry when it's admitted that people have cocked up. You need to hold these people to account, the buck stops with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yourselves, the american public'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me, UK isn't exactly the centre of liberty, but if one of our ministers had cocked up, they'd be out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America is polorized like no other time in history.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they fall on their swords for calling a policeman "a pleb", when it turns out they never did'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a preception that "Obama MUST not fail"  at all cost...  that has morphed into "Obama CAN NOT fail"... all the sheep believe it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, for once, this probably has nothing to do with Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is true, Von, but there are still people who believe Bush was the best president ever so the answer is to accept that there are lunatics on both sides of the political spectrum and do your best to remain as close to the centre as you can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noddy holder should have gone over Fast and Furious, Hilary should be gone over this'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bush wasn't all that good a president... but I liked him....  I think the last 'great' president we had was Reagan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feh'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton Sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush Snr sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reagan sucked after he got shot'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Carter for all his flaws wasn't all that bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which was the last US president that wasn't a mass murderer? Must have been sometimes before WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in retrospect - and oval office blowjobs aside... Clinton had merit as well.  he was a completly different kind of liberal from Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was a sellout, had his agenda set by Rockefeller and Kissenger'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the last proper president, unfortuantely, was Kennedy, and look what happened to him when he decided not to tow the NWO line?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clinton happened to be president during economically pleasant times (and helped set the stage for 2008 with deregulations etc.)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'apart from some deregulations, I suppose he didn't do too much harm'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah!  polititians are all crap... CRAP I tell you!...  but the alternative is anachy, and that's no good'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that was massive harm, just didn't get to feel it for 15 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need is politicians that aren't bought off, VL, you need Ron Paul :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he scares the crap outa me... what is he even getting at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is who getting at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RP... what's his agenda?  he's a polititian, so he's crap... I just can't figure out what his crap actually is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his agenda is reminding people of the original purpose and original boundaries of government, and wanting to get back to that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free markets, sound money, anti-imperialism'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Original goverenment? You mean mesopotamia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Ranrr for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as defined by the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul wants to cut away most of the federal government's power, and distribute the power among individuals, markets and states.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..since Obama knows best and central planning works, this is obviously crazy :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leaving defence of the nation, and interstate/intercountry commerce to the feds, perhaps with oversight powers for the rest'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Obama know's best" is what really gets under my skin... "I have the answers if you'd just let me have my way! <stomps feet like a child>"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, RP is gone, so you have to look to the people for similar minded folks'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his son is ok, but a bit neo-con'ish, Ted Cruz is shaping up well'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my son respectfully called me "provincial" the other day...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What I dislike about obama is the lies about guantanamo, and the policy of fighting terrorism with terrorism (drones).'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is your son a bleeding heart liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"respectfully"... as in he might not like it (because he's a teenager), but he can get behind it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is it, Ranrr, I'd have nothing bad to say about Obama if he was just advocating wealth distribution, socialised healthcare, and a better safety net, but stuck to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the collectivisation PLUS the centralisation and imposition of federal iron grip that annoys me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't even get behind him THAT much, TG... '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i wouldn't get behind him, but i wouldn't be cussing him'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe that "wealth distrobutioin" is a pile of CRAP!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have no opinion about that, other than the fact that it's weird that the constitution seems so important when discussing US politics. It is about as relevant as the magna charta, imho. '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you're poor, you will be fed and housed and have your medical needs seen too... but you WILL NOT drive a nice car while talking on a cell phone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice cars and cell phones are for people who work for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Where in the US constitution does it say that it's ok to mass murder civilians to hunt people you think may be terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not murder... perfectly legal to wage war.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not war'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, you cannot legally go to war without declaring it, nor without congress approval'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bombs... guns.. shooting.. things blowing up... fox holes and bunkers... tanks and gunships.... sounds like war to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the legality of all of them, they have all been unnecessary, counterproductive, and only make security weaker, and cost a fortune'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unmanned drones into e.g. pakistan is not war, it's mass murder (or terrorism if you prefer).'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unnnessesary - a matter of opinion... counterproductive - we've killed alot of bad men... . security weaker? - as long as we are "over there", there are fewer of them "over here"....  cost a fortune? - ya... it's pretty expensive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've killed a lot of bad men, but in doing so have "created" many more'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's why Americans can't get through an airport checkpoint without having their toddler patted down? :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by that measure, it's counterproductuive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's counterproductive, it wasn't necessary by definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Having them "over there" is great, unfortunately there's enough of 'them' that they're 'over here' too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the fault of lax border security, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor decisions have been made regarding US involvement over seas... I can't really debate that... but keep in mind.  We went in with ful vilibility... wearing uniforms and everything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you went in for financial reasons, not security'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure, Tiger, but my point is that using the "As long as we keep them over there, security is better here" argument is ill advised.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the MIC didn't have a cold war to make money off, so they needed a new bogeyman'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh?  Iraq was for oil, and that's fine... but what finacial reason was there for AF?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the point of the US terrorism is to distable the region.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the west did< Cuthbert, is like flicking a tiger's arse with a wet towel, then when it bites you, going to war against Tigers'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Drugs, VL, and military contracts'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'destableize?  Afgahnistan went from 200+ local warlords to 3 or 4 with a clearly defined central government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Don't forget the re-construction contracts and civilian profits to be made in the aftermath *cough*Haliburton*cough*'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How about pakistan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the warlords are still in control, they're just bought off with CIA money'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghan president was talking about it on telly just recently'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the money stops, they'll revert to type'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least afghanistan was a "war", sort of. Pakistan is just being bombed for the fun of it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, there was NO security reason for invading Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pakistan is being bombed because the government is corrupt and trying to play both ends... making nice with terrorist organizations AND taking money from the US for NOT making nice with the terroists'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop giving them money and pull out, VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, because the government is corrupt, mass murder is ok?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so when pakistan says "we're doing all we can to root out the terrorists" all the while giving them safe passage, we "help" them a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so ya... we mass murder the bastards... just like we mass murdered japan in WWII, and just like Napoleon mass murderd fro France, and just like a thousand other mass murders through out all of history.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because people have done it in the past, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japan bomb ended the war, bombing 200 innocent people to get 1 terrorist does not'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has already been said, instead of stopping that terrorist, you create a dozen more'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we should just throw open the borders and start tearing down churches and schools... and buy Hijabs for all ourt women'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and has already been said, had you not gone into Afghanistan in the first place (which you didn't need to do) then you wouldn't not have radicalised many others'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, VL, you shouldn't, and the two aren't opposite ends of a scale'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the world is too small for isolationism'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have closed borders, and promote christianity in USA without invading other countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when has "not invading other countries" been "isolationsim"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree all those examples were terrible, and some of them and many others could be called terrorism (including e.g. the bombing of dresden). But there is still a difference between killing in a warzone, and killing outside. Outside a warzone, killing is murder and obama is a mass murderer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not just Christianity... Budism, Taoism, Judaism... everything except Islam, pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'the world is to small for this power pissing contest'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing wrong with religion provided the practicing of it doesn't overstep the rights of non-practicers'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The thing that kills me is that Islam is basically an offshoot of Christianity & Judiasm. They all worship the same God, and Islam is even closer to Christianity in that it acknowledges Jesus as a prophet of God.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'miles apart, Cutbert... MILES'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Keep telling yourself that, man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing wrong with it, Cuthbert, just with some extreme and contextually inaccurate interpretations of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'the difference between islam and christianity is smaller then the difference from all 3 to sanity'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'islam demands that you recognize only Allah... and Christianity demands that you acknolege only Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Allah = a different name for the same Christian God.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same name for jewish god too, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Allah, Iehovah, and I'm sorry, I don't know the Jewish name for God, but yes Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'All 3 worship the same God. The main difference between Islam & Christianity is that while Christianity sees Jesus as the final prophet, Islam believes Mohammed was sent afterwards.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to Christians... Jesus is SOOOOO much more than the "final prophet"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'he is the sun bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And to the Jewish, he wasn't, I don't see you demanding they all be kicked out of the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to note how the argument has been sewayed'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jesus IS God... part of the Holy Trinity.... Christians worship a completly different god than islam... islam's god does not include Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'differences in religion does not give you an excuse to invade countries, nor bomb innocent people'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Especially when the differences are overblown by zealots.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never said it did... just responding to the obsurd notion that we all worship the same god'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it essentially -is- the same god'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are all monotheist religions'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Never been able to figure out why we can't all just have our own imaginary friends and leave everybody else alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Jhav person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOT the same God... you will never get Musilms OR Christians OR jews to agree to that... only athiests and non-believers believe that they are the same god... and that's only about 8% of the world population'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, I would guess that 90% of muslims would agree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8%? you realise China is more than 8% of the world's population, and they are predominantly atheist'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But most christians would not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Just to clarify a few issues. Jews and muslims and christians all accept the old testament and essentially worship the same god. Jews reject the messiah Jesus, Muslims claim that Jesus was just a prophet and not the son of God and fortold the coming of Mohammed. Some christians belived that Jesus IS God but this is not a teaching based on the bible and incoporates pagan doctrines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I dind't count china'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If by "non-believers" you mean non-Christian, non-Jewish, non-Islamic...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't count china, australia, UK, most of western europe, India'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'More than 13% of the world population is Hindu.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, you didn't count anywhere in the world except USA and Muslim countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any other justification for empirism you'd like shot down?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why it's crazy that Obama is using the furlough as a poltical instrument, yet at the same time handing $250million worth of MILITARY EQUIPMENT to the muslim brotherhood in Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(quickly tallied the numbers from the CIA's World Factbook, and only 56.35% of the world population is Christian, Jewish, or Muslim)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'All three religions worship a creator, so presumably the same entity is listening to all prayers etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and judaism accounts for an extremely small proportion of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yeah, 0.22%'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It may not be very informative to say that they worship the 'same' God, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, that includes some countries where it's illegal not to be religious, like indonesia, so the real number is probably lower.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'from what i understand europe is predominantly christian/catholic, but only in name'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of europe is atheidontcareist'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of europe is sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not sure whether to be sad or relieved over missing the earlier religion debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seldom do such debate end with any sort of resolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the good ones never do'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'otherwise what would be the point of a debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'things would be settled already'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not the answer that matters, it's how you get there'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/040213_culture_war_backlash_civil.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd been looking for kind of a nutshell link of batshit crazy and there it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well no I wasn't looking for it... but there it is anyway...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and to be clear, the problem isn't that people buy into this, but that people who buy into it do crazy batshit things as a result'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seems rather well laid out... if a bit overly dramatic'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're one of the buyers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean I know you're into some of this stuff, but really... you'd agree with all of that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on several of the points, yes... but like I said... there's a bit much drama in that report.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the courtmartial soldiers, for example... it left alot unsaid'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while expression of religious freedom is a corner stone of American culture....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Prosthelytizing is often views as intrusive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it can be yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not always'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's where institutional law rears its ugly head... like the kid who nibbled his poptart into a gun... he got suspended because institusional law does not allow for common sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure it does, law is written by people and judged by people'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the school had a ZERO tolerence for guns, and by golly... there he was with a gun-tart.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, a kid was suspended for eating his poptart into a gun shape?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... sad, but true... more recently, a 4th grader was suspended for pointing his pencil at another kid and saying "pow"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'links?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I'll just go look on Google, never mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I offer these only as illustration in what an institution uses for guidence when defining violations....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway the link I posted.. guy is batshit crazy, end of story'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'links inbound'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/student-suspended-for-pop-tart-gun_n_2903500.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'https://www.google.com/search?q=pencil+gun+student&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7uGLUdDDD4HM9ASojoDoDQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=911'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hahaha.. the lawyer is comparing the kid to Steve Jobs? '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but like I said... the military, like these schools, has lost (or tossed out) the capacity to discriminate between rational, and malicious....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so... he did this then waved it around... were kids in the room actually scared? Like they didn't know it was a poptart?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because if you go waiving a fake gun around at a school, especially after recent events, I can see why someone gets into trouble.. whether that gun is made of plastic, soap, poptarts, bubbles, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eehh.. waving'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a soldier is either free to be a bible thumping, cross toting, Prosthelytizing Christian - or he is not... to allow a grey area is to inject objectivity, and the need to actually consider each case... something institutions have little inclination towards'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. no there is a middle ground'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reality is that Christians are not persecuted (except in sensational, news making instances)... and there ARE rules against pushing your religion on others... unfourtunatly, at the moment, it's REALLY cool to hassle Christians'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still speaking about the Army, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well on that point I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while you and I and many others are willing to go to the grey middle ground, the 'machine' that is the institution favors hard, zero tolerance postions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just gave you two really good examples (guns in school)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magish: 'of course, because then those who institute them don't have to worry about using their judgement, and can foist all blame onto "the system" instead of having to take the blame themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the institution was SO inflexible.. .it HAD to suspend a kid for a tart-gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, and I said if you wave something around that looks like a gun and it causes a disruption and scares students, you're going to get into trouble'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what it's made of is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'granted...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'especially so soon after events like Newtown or Columbine'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought you were being rhetorical when you asked if anyone was scared... they were not'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no I was serious'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can see why they did what they did. It was only a couple of days'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seems reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'kids shouldn't fuck around with those kinds of jokes'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come on now, onslaught... suspention for eating your poptart into the shape of gun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have no idea what it looked like, but if I'm in a lunchroom at a distance and see what I think is a gun and can't tell it ISN'T a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you better believe I'm going to be pulling fire alarms or whatever else'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I were a student anyway :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a picture http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/04/indoctrination-kid-suspended-for-making-a-gun-out-of-a-pastry/'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok.. gun-shaped, yes, and if I can't see it well from across a room I don't know what it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and some would argue that you should be suspended for pulling the fire alarm for no good reason.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did the kid say anything as he waved it around?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and what if they had used the historic hand shaped into a gun with a rubber band attachment projectile ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I'm holding a stapler, and you can't tell that it's not a gun... you'd wig out (or understand why someone would)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better ban them from school for forever!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'dude it's 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'for something the entire country is hyper sensitive about'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know if I had been suspended for two days when I was in school, it would have been devestating.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, right'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you never woulda made it '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'please'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bunch of whiny bastards is what this country is turning into.....afraid of a damn mouse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.  suspension would have been the end of my universe as I know it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile you can't say there's a fire in a crowded theater, even if that fire is made of slushee'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you'll be in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct, if inelequently stated, Rizx'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Irarely pull punches. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'disecting this a wee bit further... I would go so far as to say there is a large segment of the population that hovers and waits to pounce on the opportunity to be a victim, whine, cry this or that, and generally be offended.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is VERY cool to be a victim, and to be supportive of victims... everyone is standy by with a candle, a lighter, and a soundtrack of kumbya.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if most of them had a real manual labor job they wouldnt become pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'try and get a hotel room within 100 miles of Aurora CO for a week surrounding July 20, 2013.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they were sold out within 48 hours of the shooting... on a lark, I called several hotels trying to get rooms... 2 of the 12 I called said they wern't booking that far out.. .the other 10 were all booked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an you can bet... they'll be coming with candles'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lot of that will be media'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hadn't thought of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly right... but not ALL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'probably most though. I remember during the 2000 election fiasco Tallahassee had not a single open motel/hotel room for months'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people were renting out their basements to media companies and raking in the cash'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and i only pulled that parallel because I happened to live there at the time :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Pakistan is having an energy crisis because of all the air conditioners and a hot spring.....They better build a nuclear power plant!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thorium!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, wait, thorium has no military application... so even though it's cheaper, less dangerous, and creates much less waste...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'NO ONE will build thorium reactors'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they already have a nuklear bomb... what would a power plant hurt?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'easier to make bomb than plant'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is... NOT building a plant wouldn't prevent them from refining fissionalble bomb material'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you have to get the material from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you can go the centrifuge route'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do we NOT want some poeple to build power plants - regardless of their stated goal?  bomb material... they already have a bomb... so no point keeping them from making bomb material'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'proliferation issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Fukushima?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pakistan is going to have the french build them a pebble bed nuclear reactor...about 500 megawatts, expandable to 2 gigawatts if needed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what's one more bomb?  there's going to be one in every basement in a few years anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no there isn't :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and oneone ever thought bottled water would vatch on wither'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EITHER'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually every city will have small nuclear reactors that are self contained for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'small safe, pebble bed reactors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thorium dangnabbit!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wont switch to thorium until uranium becomes too expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually the eventual result will be that nuclear power becomes obselete, at least so far as electricity generation is concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran has enough uranium in the ground to supply them with enough power for over 1000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the forcast for weaponization of Fusion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'solar collectors, wave power, and maybe some geothermal plants'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you hear the term "cold fusion"... but what does it REALLY mean?  sounds safe and even fun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'collectively, we probably have enough uranium for 100 years of power projection based on current use.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not counting the uranium in the ocean of course, just the known uranium deposits on land.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a big problem with our current generation of nuclear power plants though.   They are far from safe, and have major mechanical problems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cancer clusters near nuclear power plants is much higher compared to natgas power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It seems our current generation of nuclear power plants was consulted by Tim 'The Toolman' Taylor.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'to be fair, they're all decades old'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what else would you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were built defective.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each one is of a different design, no standardized design plan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do not use off the shelf components.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mm water'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iowa's largest energy company announced plans Wednesday to spend $1.9 billion to install hundreds of wind turbines by the end of 2015, marking what the governor described as the largest economic development project in the state's history.  1 gigawatt of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess Iowa wants to join Texas as one of the largest producers of wind power in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, 656 new wind turbines, can't wait!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor birds'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess they will just have to evolve.....they did evolve from the dinosaurs afterall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wind turbines... there's a contradiction,.. don't get me wrong - I'm all for 'em, but look at how they create division within the liberal ranks?  the PETA people hate them for killing hundreds of thousands of birds - and the Greenies love them for the clean energy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same with tidal power and fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'havn't heard anyone get tight panties over geothermal'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind power is here to stay....Iowa already has 1400 wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has over 8000'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany has over 25,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'germans also pay around 25 cents a kwh :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah well you don't see PETA complaining about all the dead wildlife from cars. It's just an acceptance curve.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roadkill is a major food source for some people....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil war started yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'havn't got a call yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dodgy US Department of Defence has ordered Defence Distributed to remove downloads of certain 3d printable products from their website claiming it breeches arms export laws'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last I heard, the queen isn't budging on immegration reform'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no reform'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all three parties are talking about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between talking about it and giving lip service to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's fuck all they can do about it, it's not within their sphere of control'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who decides?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '84% of UK law is made in Brussels'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wo withdrawal would be the first step... isn't that a pretty popular notion these days?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all 3 major parties are against withdrawal, which is why i said it's purely lip service'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why UKIP got such support in the local elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but UKIP won't win the elections in 2015 because people are stupid'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why is britton, along with france, germany and a few others content to tote the bill in europe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the same reason that a third party won't win in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because germany is the one taking over europe in a way that is succeeding where military conquest in the 1940s failed'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'status quo?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because France is full of smelly socialists who think it's a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... you ask for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France will carry on believing it's a great idea until they run out of other people's money to spend, by which point they're frogmarching and shouting "ziege heil"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally I have campaigned for us to leave, and have voted UKIP'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no armed insurrection option because we have no constitution and no firearms'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i make such a fucking stink of you lot frittering yours away'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know what you've got'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we're bent over and fucked harshly at the whim of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we -are- essentially slaves'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they dont belive it tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who don't believe what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see how we're 'frittering' it away when gun control is defeated just about every time it comes up... the liberals couldn't even twist 22 dead school children into a decent push for more control'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'that thing you just said about guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about just guns, for one, and for two, the votes are irrelevent - look at the ATTITUDE they're pushing, look at the way schoolkids are being suspended for going "bang", why are cops being told to freak out whenever someone is carrying'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all being pushed through regulation rather than via law'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regulation and continual nattering...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media plays their part. Why do most americans think gun crime has increased over the last 20 years when in fact it has dropped by 49%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's increased 13% over  five years in Chicago'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's chicago, perhaps if they didn't have fuckwits in charge that banned gun ownership, it would have dropped as with elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case in point'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fresh from fucking up his own city, Obama now wants to shit on the rest of the states'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago - mafia central, should tell you all you need to know about the Obama administration'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... we DO still have an armed option.. if it comes to that... but the change will be so smooth, there won't be a 'pivital' flash point that will spark it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN busted again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5TyDHiITq1M'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really hope someone sees fit to prosecute hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't believe she and rice got awards today, seems almost fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like awarding Bin Laden a posthumous peace prize on the anniversary of 9/11'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG.. in a society where children are prosecuted for saying "bang"... NOT sending an armed response make Hilary a Hero in many eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is fucked up also'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since what she did is viewed as HEROIC, all else is forgiven'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'When people vote, they fall into two catagories... and I'm not talking rep or dem... they either vote idealogically, or for personal reasons... '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most just don't vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone on welfare, for example, will vote DEM for the promis of continued and bigger handouts... someone in the Military Contract business will vote REP for similar reasons....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps welfare recipients should be banned from voting?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be the first time a democracy only allowed certain sectors to vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fed up with it all, gnight :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what's important to understand, is that we've passed a tipping point where the number of voters dependent on welfare and food stamps has VARY zzq'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '... far surpassed the number of people who oppose entitlement... ergo.. the dam has broke, and there's no stopping the flow'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's an interesting question...how can you build an IED yet not know it was filled with explosive powder?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if cali allowed drilling to take place, it would rake in about $5 billion a year in new tax revenue on the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '200-300 new species of bacteria were found in the la brea tar pits in 2007.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including some that eat the oil and produce methane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2009, some fossils were found around the tar pits.  Among the finds are remains of a saber-toothed cat, six dire wolves, bison, horses, a giant ground sloth, turtles, snails, clams, millipedes, fish, gophers, and an American lion. Also discovered is a nearly intact mammoth skeleton'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... what's everyone have planned for 'parent 1' day on Sunday?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'a pink muffin'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty sexist'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what if 'parent 1' is a man?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm being antagonistic, of course...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'pink is a man's colour nowadays?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its mother's day, not 2nd father's day'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just making light of the Baltimore School District's decision to purge the term "mother" and "father" from all their forms... replacing them with "parent 1" and "parent 2"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next thing you know, there will be a space for "parent 3"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'oh, lol x)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what i think is,'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its like that guncake you discussed yesterday. I mean REALLY, we get people are anti war and anti afghanistan, but expelling a kid whose chow bears remote semblance to a fire arm? Why not send him to a shrink rather? Same with this baltmore school thing. Its really pathetic. I'll take a stand and say that, people like that need their asses kicked'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i feel that, it screws the gene pool of humanity up. That kid has a right to a mother and father, to have the influences of a REAL mother and REAL father in their critical phrase of existance. Sure, you can say that, each family has his own choice to do how they please, but the bastard of genealogy is that, that child will grow up, and obviously, his upbringing and what he learnt is encoded into his dna and thats the heritage his kid(s) will have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'einstein became a genius by theoretically proving naught..'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'the burden's not on me.  Elaborate on your claim.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"naught" as in "negative"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or "naught" as in he was an idiot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite the spin that acedamia tend to put on history.. I'd be a hard sell to say "Einstien isn't [wasn't] a genius'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris agrees!
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'He started the development of quantum theory, resolved Maxwell equations.  What more do you want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he might have missed on relativity... but then archemedies missed a few times, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'naught - archaic for nothing, zero'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'He didn't prove "nothing".  He proved that energy is exchanged in discrete amounts.  That's a pretty damn big thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when you say "... became a genius..."  I will infer that you mean "... was recognized as a genius..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'here.  Found the first paper I read of his.  http://www.unipune.ac.in/snc/centre_for_philosophy_and_history_of_science/phsc_webfiles/pdfs/2nd_paper.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: ''became recognized as a genius''
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'I can link more papers if you want.  There's nothing in those papers that isn't genius.  *shrug*'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that was a "know what you ment" moment... debates can get derailed SOO fast but people pretending to not know what you ment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'As for quantum science and maxwell's, those weren't the factors that earned him the said renown'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'In the populace, his work on relativity is what he's known for.  In the scientific community, those are what he's known for even moreso.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He did discover the photoeletric effect (or explain it) and got a nobel price for that. Kind of an important thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Naaaaah'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that lead to quantum theory, also sort of an important thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, it was Maxwell's silver hammer that made him famous'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was the Carl Sagan of his day... and he was smart... all the rest is details for an acedemic debate I am ill equiped to engage in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Einstein was the Carl Sagan of his day?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... scientific celebrity figure'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And wasn't he quite famous for the (made up) love affair with marilyn monroe'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'not a comparision that I would have made, to be honest'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We don't have any famous scientists anymore, people don't think science is important, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michio Kaku is the current face of science'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in which country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, it's hard to turn on the TV over here without getting Brian Cox'd'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in fact, I would say, we are going through a golden age of science popularisation'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and the really nice thing about it is that most of the people involved are actually working scientists as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'brian cox is uniquely british... he doesn't get any air time inthe USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I just see so many people, primarily in the US, that don't believe in science.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we get Michio Kaku... If the astroid were headed our way, Michio Kaku would be on all the news channels explaining how we are all going to die'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, well, the US is the country that revoices David Attenbourgh with Signory Weaver, which says it all really'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Michio Kaku is just too american, it is painful to hear him speak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he has a unique voice... like Carl Sagan sis'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't mean his voice, though, I mean his statements. He thinks war is fun, and that health insurance should be only for the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He's a plitician, not a scientist. Imho.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't really know how to respond to that... doesn't EVERYONE like war?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'war? I mean, what is it good for, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war paid my bills for quite a few years'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there have always been wars... there will always be wars... might as well deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a convenient way to avoid responsibility for your actions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing convienient about it... war is hard work... winning is even harder'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and not having a war is even harder still'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'near impossible, I'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, at least if you have oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can have periods of "no war"... but there will always be another one eventually'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that's a silly argument -- eventually is a long time -- the question is how many wars have been avoided.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and they have. There are many poltiical events that could have resulted in war. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... you certainly don't have to go to war over everything.. that would be pretty silly... but there are things to go to war about.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to wage wars when you are the biggest power on the planet and live in an isolated place. Not so easy when your home land is invaded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people get all bent about "war over oil"... but tell them [USA] that gas is going to be $6 a gallon, and they'll send the troops in a heartbeat to avoid it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, indeed, but oil, enforcing an economic system, or as Keynsian mechanism for investment which claiming to be free marketters are not them'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And people that think that are immoral and stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '".... are immoral and stupid."... and if they have the biggest army... they get to be.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but it does not justify anything. They are still terrorists and mass murderers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your point?  not much you can do about it, is there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you might as well deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Enjoy it while it lasts, and don't complain then when it ends.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... I'll deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, not all people are cynical murderers like you. Some people in the US (most) are sane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone in the US enjoys a high quality of life... as long as gas is cheap... they don't care why'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is fortunately not true. But it may be true for some inbread people in texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you always seem to sink to degrading and provoking terms like "inbread", Ranrr.. is that the extent of your vocabulary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"inbread" -- a novel description of a sandwich'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever acually had to fight for ANYTHING?  or have you just had everything handed to you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I must say, most of my sandwiches are inbread.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I haven't had to kill for anything, and I never will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd just roll over and die first?  you'd let your family die first?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I had by bucket and spade nicked once, when I was a child'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not sure. I might defend myself if I was attacked, but that depends on circumstances.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see.. it depends... so there IS a time for killing, you would say?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not if if can be avoided. Defense does not imply killing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me this... when a child is "bullied" in school.. where does he go?  who does he turn too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What does that have to do with killing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does he go to a teacher?  does he go to his parents?  a big hulking moster of a friend?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's an analogy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An irrelevant analogy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the point is that there are entire populations on this planet that live with a "bully" hovering over them every day....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. The US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or does he organise together with his fellows to establish a society where bullying is not accepted.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take Iraq, for example.... Hussein was a flat out bully... and he needed killing.. but who's going to kill the bully?  not the Iraqi people... they're too weak... not Sweden.. their too sissified... '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the biggest kid on the block has to go an remove him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, like killing saddam solved anything. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the US military needs a lesson in general systems theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his people are pretty happy... exceot for a few disenters who would bitch regardess...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'instead of supporting him?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, Ranrr... I don't want my wife and daughter forced to wear a Hijib... so I fight to prevent that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, you think muslims are evil. Gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Ranrr -- he didn't say that'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't want to be forced into Islam either'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine.. I don't want my wife and daughter forced to eat Lutefisk every other meal....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or Christianity a dnt ehre are many places that do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want people to be killed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to be true... I don't want people to be killed either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'qr'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, the question is when is enough. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the US military did kill several 100 thousand people to prevent saddam from using weapons of mass destruction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see... hundreds of thousands'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see where you could have gotten those numbers except off a jihadist web site'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you a jihadist, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't even know what that is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you are ill equiped for ANY debate on killing, and Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tdebate A simple google shows numbers between 100k and 1 million. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might even go so far as to say you are ignorant, but that word has undeserved extra meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The simple fact is that the US has no reason to be in iraq, they started a war on false ground, and they are killing civilians.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we had lots of reason to be in Iraq.  Kill the bully [check] - liberate the people [check] - kill people who don't like us and are trying to kill us [check]'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, those are justifications, not reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we DID have the oil all lined up, but Obama has pissed that advantage away to british and scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Theft, I guess that falls under justification too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and with your 100,000 to 1,000,000 number... what were the number BEFORE the US invaded?  how many of those dead were killed by non-US forces?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many Jurds did Saddam kill?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kurds'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's irrelevant. You can't justify your killings by comparing yourself with another killer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Halabja poison gas attack killed or injured 20,000 in ONE attack!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that was saddam killing his own people'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes...so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but when there's a bully on the playgound, and you're the biggest kid... you take action.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then the US should have left iraq after they killed saddam. But they are still there, 10 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'End of debate, for me, gotta afk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be two s, two n, two e, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pffffbt, more silliness of kids and parents being arrested for nerf guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and will Hilary survive the Benghazi debalacle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what about the poor little rabbits?  how ever will they survive the coming apocolyps!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as rabbit stew'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in ma belly'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no apocalypse, only suffering and poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'benghazi is being buried by 90% of the media - no media, no Benghazi'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'do you think its possible do make a "nanosuit" that takes care of you in every way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what is a nanosuit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'from far cruy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a very-very tiny suit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. crysis'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Time to break out the nanobikinis?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it possible? no'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simply put'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. there is not enough that scientific knowledge yet you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i want a suit that feeds me, keeps me warm and takes care of the "duties"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay Carne is tap dancing his fool ass off'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who>'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama's press secretary - he's doing a press release'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is stating as a matter of record that obama immediatly called it a terrortist attack and immediatley brought the full weight of the US's resources to bear on the situation as it was happeninng'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a liar'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it will be said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and will indeed become fact.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has no need to protect himself, just sling hiliary and some udnerlings to the wolves'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hilary is the great hope of our nation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she has to survive'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so she can save us'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck no, all the dribbling liberals would vote for her'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'liberals will saaaaave us... must saaaaaave us... uhhhhhhhhhhhh....   saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave us'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is also accusing republicans of "heavily politicizing" the whole thing.......'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, like obama didn't heavily politicize the death of 20 children, the fucking hypocrit'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every time a politician wipes his ASS, it's politicised... they're all f-ing bastards'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be a whitewash, it'll come down to incompetancy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone who seeks election is defective.  maybe - MAYBE - one in a thousand are altuistic or idealistic... the other 999 are fuck-nuts'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't come out that it was a standdown to enable heat seaking missiles to get into the hand of al-qaeda'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'screw all the conspiracy crap... this is just plain incompetance, and cover-up of incompetence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what is being said'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HOWEVER'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be happy with a result of getting rid of Hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also, when Al-Quaeda shoots down a western passenger plane and people are wondering where they got the missiles from, and the establishment are using it to take away more liberties, just remember i told you so'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not going to happen... you could catch hillary COLD with her lips wrapped around obama's cock - pictures and everything, and everyone would believe it was some kind of repubican smear campaign'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're screwed, because nothing and nobody is accountable for anything they do'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not so much that they are not accountable (not disagreeing with you) - it's that they can't actually be accused of anything and have it stick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well here's something... 5 out of the 6 major news agencies in the US (MSNBC Excluded) are reporting that the talking points were indeed changed on SEP 12 to remove all reference to terrorism...  to which Carney is say "that's not true", to which the news agencies are saying "yes.  They WERE changed... quit lying"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '5/6ths of the news agencies calling Carney a lier is pretty significant'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope so'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it is illuminating, it tells you the WH is flustered'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess the bull shit got a little too deep even for ABC'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, that's deeop'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they actually put down the "obama pom-poms" for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, perhaps they're sniffing the writing on the wall, seeing many republicans ditch the middle ground for the tea party, and are looking to move into the sapec'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'space*'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'While I support most of the Tea Partie's platform - they have been vilified and assasinated to the point of irrelevance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only good thing about them is Ted Cruz and Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amused med that Harry Reid referred to Ted Cruz as a 'schoolyard bully' for basically doing what congressmen are SUPPOSED to do'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e for doing his job, unlike the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congressmen/senators'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are all son's of bitches'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'they all have to play a game.  Some (Paul, Cruz) at least attempt to play it with a little ethics...  most don't bother.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if they're imperfect, they should be supported for at least making a pretense at ethics, and the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are beyond imperfect... just different levels of corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the point of '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the point of "there has to be a better way"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do not have any faith in washington'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't do their job - they smile and wave - and then they don't do their job some more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hold their feet to the fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... they are too entrenched - they are beyond reproach, and accountable only to themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"politicians all suck, but don't expect ME to do anything about it!!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught whines pathetically about everything.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they say pretty words and kiss brat babies to get elected, then sit on their collective ass while they plot their next election '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to say - I feel pretty powerless.... let's take my particualt part of the country... all the people I know work for a living, dislike liberals, and pay taxes... yet, when the election comes, the busses drive around the neighborhoods gathering up all the welfare cases and take them to vote...  when there are less workers voting than free loaders, the outcome is inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how many people did you take to the polls last election?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '13'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you have early voting where you live?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and my wife watched their kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only for disabled free loaders'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh-huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and disabled not-freeloaders, to be fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now who's lying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to have a disability to do early voting'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'where is this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without being specific... south'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't help much'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as specific as I care to get - nothing personal'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't check your claim with that ambiguity'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but for the sake of argument let's say you're telling the truth - so you had 1 day and took 13 people'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '12, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got let out of work an hour early... polls were open till 2000'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'made three trips - polls closed'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you apparently have all the time in the world to trash the system, but can't be bothered to put some investment into fixing it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was only a three mile trip, so no real hardship.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so take the day off'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I trash the system HERE, because there's nothing much else to do HERE.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah and you're wasting your time then when you could be making a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the issue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We're changing the world by whining about people whining about..erm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hey.. I've used that line on the whiners who complain about having to play on a phone because they can't afford DSL'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the issue is arm chair quarterbacks fragging their own rather than shutting up and putting up'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes "WHEE!" and dances around Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the record - I retired from the Military after a quarter centry of "making a difference."  I'm entitled (yes... that's the "E" word) to a little whine'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's not the point, is it... everyone should be more involved'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you voted for someone who didn't win, you're allowed to complain all you want during the next 2-4-6 years, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'myself included'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have no problem with whining. What you do is different. You spend your time completely trashing everyone you don't agree with and still can't be bothered to get off your own lazy ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my lazy ass is retired... I get to have a laxy ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for "trashing"... there isn't much point to a debate if you don't disagree, and strongly argue (or "trash" as you prefer) the opposing view, is there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there is a question of degree'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not like I don't stop and read what's being said by the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be involved between elections by calling to harang your reps on issues being voted on'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider it, evaluate it, and then either agree, or disagree. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '60 minutes did an expose on that about 5 years ago....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the most part, EVERY letter gets read....  buy an 18 year old intern.  issues are tallied on a score sheet, and the principal gets a nice graph of the letters he's been sent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You could even run for office yourself... but I wouldn't want you to have to do any work now that you're retired and think everyone else should do things for you instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BIG ones like "your son knocked up my daughter" get personal attention'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't recall ever expecting any to do "everything" for me... that's really poor debate manners... saying I said something, or am thinking something that I am not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're entitled to be lazy, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... but I can also afford to be lazy. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't say I am entitled to be lazy and have someone take care of me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am quite self sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I cook and clean for my family.  I keep a vegetable garden and tend the lawn.  I go down to the corner store for lunch 2-3 times a week... and I am quite lazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are a myriad of options to try and improve the system and each one you're claiming you can't be bothered with because you're "retired" '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's pretty much the same response I ever see from people who bitch about politics - or most things for that matter - they want change, but they don't want to contribute... they have shit to do, or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am retired, and that confers a certain amount of leisure - but I still do plenty.  I help out at local political events and I'm manning a polling place next year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it confers whatever you want it to'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it COULD confer plenty of time to get active in politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to leave a parting shot, and I'm not going to get your response, so that's a bit dirty, but I have to make supper.... I busted my ass my whole life - working in some really shitty places for benifit of America - I'm busted up, tired, and am enjoying a bit of the fruit I worked so hard for.  If you have a problem with that, that is your issue.  I for one have a VERY nice sleep each evening.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not your fault the complete fucking mess peers your age have made of the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have the same issue with my parents and some of my friends their age, it wasn't their specific fault, though it was their generation's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boy, those shale oil wells sure do die off big after 1 year of production....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new shale well produced almost 1000 barrels of oil per day....the largest gusher in 60 70 years in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'after about 6 months it dropped to 600 barrels a day, and now it maintains at about 200 barrels a day....still damn good for the permian basin....most permian basin wells START at 200 to 300.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'More to drill, more to spill...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they basically driven by water pressure (fracking)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fracking doesnt create ongoing pressure, it is used to crack the shale rock to allow more oil to seep into the well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the beginning a well might have some pressure, but it will bleed off pretty quick, then you use a donkey to pull up the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ohhh!  So that's what you mean by donkey love!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the different colors of light sweet crude....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in north dakota they are finding a more red-orange color light sweet crude, but in West Texas, it is more light orange to light green light sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it make a difference?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm having a hard time getting mad about anything here'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, as long as the sulphur content is low, it doesnt really matter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you making any money on oil, Von Liege?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 60% of saudi arabia's crude production is now high sulphur crude....which is worth less then light sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I probobly am.. I have a few well diversified mutal funds... I only mean that I come to this channel to argue... to debate.  I'm finding no debate here'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more US oil... good... no debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless we can argue about the utter lack of infrastructure that is going in behind the massive increase in populations in places like ND'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will eventually catch up to the boom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or perhaps the insanely abhorant safety standards for the workers (I know... they're getting a butt-ton of $$$)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a few years there will be enough housing, maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it really depends on how fast production increases.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... those are weak arguments... no meat for debate there wither'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you go to ND for an oil driving job though....bring an RV.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about the influx of big trucking companies into the oil fields pushing down pay standards ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'competition is good.  I read that in a book somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if quality stays at par or better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was rather distracted by the pictures, though, since I wasn't really looking at it for the articles.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's not even any perma frost to irreperably damage in ND (though the locals may debate the definition of "perma frost")'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with big trucking companies though, it gives people with little experience a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most big trucking companies self insure, so that they can hire people with little experience and train them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the smaller outfits cant do that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drive crude for a big company for 6 months to a year, learn the area, etc, then move on to a higher paying smaller company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but driving crude is the ultimate in job security, unlike drilling....drilling is boom and bust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course the drilling boom this time could last decades or more, since there is so much oil to get at.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'montana is drilling 35,000 wells in the next 20 years, north dakota is doing 60,000, texas is doing 80,000 in the next 30 years, add in oklahoma, ohio, kansas, south dakota, wyoming, california, lousiana, missouri, indiana, and illinois...and drilling could be here a long ass time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the opec oil that the US was importing is now heading to India/China and Asian countries in general....so even if we produced most of our own oil, the world price is still going to be high, and thus your gasoline costs will also stay high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Canada really needs to build a pipeline to the west coast of Canada, and start exporting tar sands oil to Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would increase the value of their oil by at least $15 per barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if it would be cheaper to build a railroad line from the tar sands to the western coast of Canada instead....then they can ship goods east, and oil west.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's our south african mafia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yakuza?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humph'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda ironic.....occidental petroleum company depends on co2 to inject into their wells in west texas to increase production, but there is a shortage of co2 supplies.......how about tapping all that co2 produced from natgas and coal power plants ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'logistics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far oxy has been producing all of its co2 in its natgas fields in west texas, it has a reserve of 6.5 trillion cubic feet of co2 in its natgas fields, but natgas field production is not enough to drill more oil wells, thus leaving 1 billion barrels of reserves unavailable for production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 injection can increase oil production by at least 30 % in most oil wells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Enron is back in business!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else amused like i was at  a senior British barrister calling for the age of consent to be reduced to 13 to 'spare the persecution of the elderly"'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that homeownership creates unemployment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure I'm missing a few of the "dots" that you have connected'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'homeowners, they think, are more willing to stay put, be more willing to commute to farther jobs, and generate promote "not in my backyard" efforts that negatively impact regional businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://finance.yahoo.com/news/challenge-dogma-owning-home-182926523.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok....  pretty far reaching... lemme have a look'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it centers around the rate of homeownership in a region.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I didn't get the impression that the author of the article was even convinced... he didn't end with an opinion on the issue.  If it IS the case, I don't see much to be done about it.   If it were an abolute, irrefutable FACT, then it would likely result in some sort of "no home for you" legislation... I just don't see what's to be done about it one way or the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would put that solidly in the same catagory as "xxx MAY cause cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not at 186!  It takes hours to go 186 to 200... but you havn't budged!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mistell'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Defiance.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, if the Votans had the power to terraform a planet...why didnt they just terraform Mars ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a there is a wookie on Defiance!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bio-man!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all muscles, no brain!'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the sort of headlines that make tinfoil-hat haters look dumb: "Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform Bill"'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where, exactly, did you come across that headline?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an wired hasn't been know to throw out a "tin-hat" story now and then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'infact, I'd say they run quite a few somewhat-sensationalized conjecture based stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's very entertaining'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'often conjecture-based stories have the kernals of vital facts that appear way before any other news station is reporting them, such as the bullets story'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to FBI docs, any message stored on cloud servers, such as GMail, Hotmail, Yahoo, or Facebook are subject to warrantless access by the government. Email downloaded onto local machines using clients such as Outlook would require a warrant to access'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the justification is that if they are in the cloud, they are considered to be in the hands of a third party, and thus treated the same as being in the hands of an accountant or attorney (example), which means they can grab the data with a subpoena'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, they are also now recording all traffic, which makes it somewhat null, but there are differences with regards to what is admissable in evidence in court, so they could find information out using their record-everything intelligence gathering, then use that information to subpoena/get warrants'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'managed to keep "jihad" and "crusades" out of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'SSSSPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love papa johns...such good customer service.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I destroy my enemy, when I make him my friend.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'technically true'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but less satisfying'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they really doing door-to-door searches in new orleans because some druggies took a pop at some other druggies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems a bit of an overeaction given nobody is dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had a shootout with college kids because they killed 2-3 people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you win?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing, missed the entire thing because we were forced to stay home.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps one of the most elightening moments of my life was several years ago - while living in Italy - we had a burglary (we were home), when the Carbonari (italian police) arrived, once they saw no one was hurt, they closed the case, and no chase was given. - The violation of our personal space, and the loss of property was of no consequence to them - America apparently has a much higher sense of "personal vilolatoin."'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have entire product recalls because someone stubs their toe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Our landlord was later made to pay a fine for not having adequate locks on the windows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'different cultures, different priorities'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't help any that you were American.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps not... but after asking around a bit, we were not treated abnormally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"petty crime" is just an accepted fact of life there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but crime in Italy isn't the point... Different priorities was the point I was making... someone from another part of the world might not understand why the cops in New Orleans are so keen to catch a couple drug dealers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they needed someone to rape, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'explain that'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just a pointless, antagonistic comment, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some lady called 911 for, like, a domestic disturbance or something (no big deal, right?).  The cops show up, investigate, take statements, etc, then one cop gives money to the lady's gimp boyfriend so he can hobble down to the store to get some bottled water (cop refused to drink the tap water).  The cop's partner walks the guy out, then the cop with the lady raped both her holes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I see... and that happens often in New orleans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few minutes later, she comes running out of the house hysterical about how the cop raped her, followed by her rapist who was tuckin in his shirt.  He ends up grabbing her by the hair/shoulders, and she ends up accidentally kicking the partner.  This lead to her arrest for assaulting an officer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was from Michigan, I think, and cop coverups happen a lot more often than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... this is a frequent occurance?  What I'm asking, is based on what you know, it happens often enough that if you hear that a cop in New Orleans is chasing a drug dealer, you feel enlightened enough about the way things work that you can assume the cops are looking for someone to rape.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that what ou're saying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'That cop coverups happen often would be a plausible statement, thoguh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm not saying that at all.  Cops never get charged with crimes like rape.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems kinda dumb for a cop to be doing that.....a cop should be shaking down the drug dealers to pad his retirement fund.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boars head meats are pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'd go with "pretty good" as in 7.5 outa 10... better'n the oscar meyer mass-produced stuff... but coin for coin.. I'd have to go with the oscar meyer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, mug rootbeer with real sugar....'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, smoking ban in Texas restaurants....'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh...German soldiers and Allied troops fought side-by-side in WW2...'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did they eat the bones ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they (along with french VIP prisoners and their wives/mistresses) defended a medieval castle against a Panzer grenadier division sent to recapture it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, I want to go to an amish grocery...but there are none around here....:('
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if police would still arrest someone for witchcraft in massachusetts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably not.  They would be the laughingstock of their station.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lot's of nicknames to be had for that one'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not much surprised me about massachusetts...'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it time, in the wake of the IRS political scandal, to close the department and hand control of tax collection tot he states?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are not so loosly confederated - the federal gov would then have to collect $$ from the states - or go back to tarrifs'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the states would act as tax collection agents for them'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would just mean more beurocracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's..... not strictly true'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money would go from A (me) to B (state) to C (fed)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, another shale deposit was found UNDER 2 other shale deposits in the permian basin of west Texas......There is oil everywhere!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... that planet is a veritable ball of grease floating in space'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, that doesn't mean it's more beurocratic - there becomes a size above which organisations lose economies of scale and gain hinderanecs'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the british NHS is a good example'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far they found shale deposits at 7000 feet, 10,000 feet, AND now at 13000 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt they will also find it at 16,000 feet as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So far there are about 10 known shale deposits in the West Texas zone....including the new one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ranging from 5000 feet down to 13,000 feet, in random places around the permian basin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I am obligated to say "LIAR!"  there is NO shale in TEXAS!!!!  but what's the point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you're a democrat, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because of course there is... so what did you want to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, some people would say since there is only 2 years of oil production in the whole permian basin if the US didnt import oil from canada or mexico, that we shouldnt drill it....'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the same excuse for why we havent been drilling in Alaska....even though there is proven deposits of over 60 billion barrels there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... here's a debate - LEAVE THE TX, AK and ND oil alone.... buy up all the mexican, canadian, and butt-krackistan oil and burn it... then when that's all gone, drill our own and don't share it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I say burn everyone elses oil while it's cheap (relitivily)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but importing oil is costing US more money then producing it at home. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hold what we have as a "reserve"... it's silly to deny it exists... but leave it there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure it is... but look at the long game'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the long game, we wont be needing oil anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'because we'll all be zombies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no point in sending $700 billion a year to foreign countries for oil when we can save at least 2/3 of that by producing our own.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better to pay what...we'll say $100 a barrel for THEIR oil now, than burn ours all up and pay $300 a barrel for theirs tommorow... or WORSE!  don't buy their oil and let the Chinese get it for $100 a barrel'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the difference will be....our oil will be worth a lot more then....:P'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to your point about not needing oil in the long game... as long as there is a drop of oil to be burned on this planet, we will need oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we still pay market value even though we produce it here at home...minus $15 discount.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's like when my brother and I each got a treat as kids... we'd eat my brother's first... then I'd eat mine... win win for me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think the discount is closer to $10 now though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the discount will disappear once Canada starts exporting oil to other countries, and not just the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I say WE burn the rest of the world's oil first, then WE burn OUR oil later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the while recognizing that we WILL burn that oil (as opposed to the greenies who would just as soon deny its existence, and go all solar, or wind or what ever)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to think that way, until I realized how much oil there actually is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by the time we dont need oil, there will still be lots left in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we will still be sitting on the largest pile of oil in the world, with no market for it except plastics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'goes back to what I said earlier - as long as there is oil to burn... we will need to burn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wont be burning it, new technology will replace the need to burn oil.....oil will be used to make chemicals and plastics mainly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'call it lazy, call it neo conservative, call it provicial... if there's oil, we will burn it... alternatative energy don't have a chance till all the oil is gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'alternative energy is like the ugly younger sister... as long as long-legged, sexy older sister is at home - ugly sister ain't getting no dates'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and when that happens, we will have sent well over $50 trillion to other countries to buy their oil instead of using our own when we had the chance before technology replaced the need for it. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military alone will use that oil.... do you seriously see a Prius replacing a HMMWV in this centry?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or how about an M1 tank?  I don't see them going nuclear any time soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then theres's lubrication - an atamic aircraft carrier may run on uranium, but it still needs petrolium products for lubrication... ALOT of petrolium... and JET-A for the planes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds put a ban on development of the Green River Basin in Colorado also.....which is smaller than the Permian Basin of West Texas, but has 5x the amount of oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oil will have value for ALONG time'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the GRB is the largest deposit of oil in the world, at about 1.7 trillion barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Horn River shale deposit in British Columbia Canada is estimated to have around 250 trillion cubic feet of natgas....newly discovered a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, bilderberg this year are going to talk about the manufacturing revolution of 3d printing and how to prevent the democratization of production'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's something to consider, and I'm not exactly taking a stand on the issue... just consider - how many people do you know (work with, neighbors or family with, etc...) that just absolutly have no business making gnupower in their basement... they're either too stupid, too reckless, or maybe, in some cases, too irresponsible for such an activity.... NOW, apply the same logic to making guns in their bedroom.  Just think about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is this a trick question?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although guns aren't explosively volatile'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's just that we can't judge an entire issue through our own eyes... I for one would get a real kick outa printing a gun all on my own... but I KNOW that I wouldn't do anything stupid with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I'd prefer you make guns instead of gunpowder'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way... neither guns or gunpoweder are the actuall issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question was phrased initialyl without guns being the context'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the concept of banning something you can do in your basement has always been somewhat fucked, however. whether it's smoking pot, burning CDs, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't outlaw it and accomplish anything constructive'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's actually no need to outlaw it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so long as "government" (such that it is) comes down like a ton of rock when someone goes about hurting someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3d printing is going to be as big a deal as the industrial revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consequense is the real issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is the tip of the iceberg'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to stifle 3d printing period, because they're FASCISTS'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you get it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty dramitic...'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I understand why business is afraid of it, and therefore lobby against it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government already control the means of production in many sectors, this threatens that control'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said... no issue... as long as there is consequence for crime.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really is that simple, it has nothing to do with safety or crime'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '2d printing is the industrial revolution in everyone's basement'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'err, 3d I mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is precious little consequence these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're going to have things to worry about which far exceeds printing guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always a strawman around the next corner'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than play whack-a-mole... why can't we just stop and fix one thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just one thing... not patch it, or rig it... just fix it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if it were that easy :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want to fix?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people don't even agree on WHAT needs fixing, never mind HOW to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i was trying to tease a problem out'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do we solve the problem of authoritarian fascist government encroachment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'problem is human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'solution: kill all humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I win'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'lucky for me I'm a triton'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tritons will be killed next week'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh no!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France is to tax smartphone sales, woot!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J64fkwNDwAE  - CNN calling for a police state'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where would this channel be without it's daily dose of reporting on WH propoganda?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... I missed the part where they called for a police state.. can I get a specific time?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole piece is arguing for more manned surveillance cameras in administration hands'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I saw a report on video surveillance... and at around 2:20 the point is made there needs to be a balance between surveillance and privacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't see anyone actually call for a police state'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are people whinging about Iran being the chair of UN arms control forum'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously is that how you interpret that report?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that how YOU interpret it? take one soundbite and use that to disprove the tone of the entire rest of the article?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had a 300 page novel and 2 pages were funny, would you classify it as a comedy if the rest of it was a horror?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I interpret it as a report on video surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there wasn't a pro/con position'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think one of the problems is the level of overall paranoia these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the headlines you'd be right to be paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aren't they?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government cocks things up, screws people over, tramples rights, and spys on everyone, and WE get the bill'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you hadn't noticed, the world is going to shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well again you're wrong. All in all the world improves'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly ain't improving here'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lesse, relative living standards and real terms wages at the lowest level since the 1970s, life expectancy dropping, outlook for the next generation the worst in nearly a century'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you're right, the people who've cocked it up this badly, we should trust them with all our money, and to invade our privacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess if those are your only measurements, then the world would seem pretty bad off'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no other measurements that are relevent'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course not '
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'like I said... people don't even agree on what the problems are ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could measure education (standards going down)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, health? again, now going down'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but all the liberals are pacified because gay people can now marry, woot'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I take a considerably broader approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unfortunately I have to run for a few minutes or I'd get into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your broader approach is not relevent to me, nor to the majority of people'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if you get back, enlighten us, but i think you're going to struggle to convince anyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ut oh, "Government taps press phone records - 20 phone lines monitored. AP: Massive and unprecedented intrusion"'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now THAT is a problem :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not expecting anyone to be terribly surprised'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a problem, irs was a problem, benghazi is a problem, and here's a prediction that nobody of any kind of seniority will be held accountable for any of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently part of the ongoing clampdown by the administration on whistleblowers'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people aren't supposed to rat out corrupt practices'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got a link?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'irs is a problem, benghazi is a fuckup but not a conspiracy, and yeah nobody is going to get into much trouble for either of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well not Obama anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is the objective'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israeli news resources are reporting a sizeable israeli air and ground buildup in/near the Golan Heights'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't find any articles about the wire taps'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is this the US government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess AP can kiss goodbye to a bunch of their confidential sources'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, was the US government. Wiretapping isn't the correct term, it was a wide-ranging secret record swipe not in accordance with normal practices '
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the comments better than the story: Who NEEDS 20 phone lines anyways? Ban all high capacity phone systems and register all assault phones! If it can save just one life....'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'have you considered turning off the news and taking a break for a few weeks or so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is far more exciting than fiction'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and less believable - fiction has to hold together and be self-consistent'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or in your case damaging to your health I'm thinking'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is damaging to everyone's health'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody gets out of life alive'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to know how "not reading the news" would help'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just for a few weeks of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'less stressful, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be less stressful, there'd be no outlet for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no outlet for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stress'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well the point was you accumulate more stress by consuming more of this material'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be a misnomer'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'reading about stressful stuff makes you less stressed out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, it provides a target for the blame and the anger'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're already angry in general and reading about stuff that makes you more angry helps to relieve the anger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it makes me more angry?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however you want to phrase it the material is antagonistic'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and somehow that makes you LESS antagonized?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think you've thought this through'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works just fine for me, i'd rather live in the light'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The Minnesota State Senate has approved same-sex marriage and Gov. Mark Dayton is expected to sign it into law tomorrow. Meanwhile Minnesota's 6th congressional district representative Michele Bachmann will soon be placed on suicide watch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woohoo! weaponized drones from China!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people 'hire' handicap people as tour guides at Disney Land so they can cut to front of lines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'immoral'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but still smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure - if you have no concience.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess it's also "smart" to steal everything you need instead of paying for it... if you can get away with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I have zero problem with it.  In the end, some handicapped people get some money to help them through life, and they get to enjoy time in Disneyland.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh the horror.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not more immoral than buying yourself something else that benefits you and not the others..'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'wouldn't surprise me if the same ppl also spend more money once inside as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The really smart thing is not to go to Disneyland at all? :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "guides" are being pimped by a "faggan"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exploitation of the handicap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If they could they'd probably go back to a life without handicap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but this at least gives them a little more income'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most, surly... but then there are the ones who desparetly milk the system to get the golden "handicap" title.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will always be that kind of ppl. Most of which are probably also without handicap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and making extra money at Disney as "guides"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think what you object to here is really the fact that some ppl falsely gets the handicap title, not that some handicapped ppl earn extra money at Disney Land'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It bothers me that there is a "faggan" out there exploiting handicap people by pimping them out at Disney land (and the false handicaps, too)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sorry what is a "faggan"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Incidentally, I haven't the faintest what a 'faggan' is, and can find nothing easily via Google.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Every effort should be made to make the world accessable to handicap people... that's golden.  But when handicap people take advantage of that by hauling 20 of their "closest friends and family" to the front of the line at Disney... that's crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Nor can I really find any news articles about systemic abuse of the disability system at Disneyland.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Basically, sir, bunk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Faggan" is a reference to "Oliver Twist"... it is an adult that runs a gang of child-pickpockets, and takes 99% for the money they steal'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... that's Fagin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/disney_world_srich_kid_outrage_zTBA0xrvZRkIVc1zItXGDP'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know what I ment'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Come on, if you're going to reference literally works, at least do it RIGHT.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think I ever read it (saw it in print).. I only ever saw the play'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's excellent. Yet another thing for rich ppl to spend their money on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that's another aspect of it that I find bothersome... the "elitism" of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Don't see anything about an intermediary in that story.  Also, if they're willing to pay $130+ an hour for fast entrance, more power to 'em.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "travel agent" was being reported on the news'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege, do you also not approve of first class tickets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the whole society is constructed around different solutions for those with lots of money and those with less'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm ok with that... doesn't really interfere with my coach class seats....  But if I'm waiting 2 hours in line for a ride, and 10 able bodied people skip right to the front.. spr of chaps my arse'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see why you get upset, I think. But if they added a fast lane where the tickets cost $100 extra you wouldn't be so upset.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm also perfectly ok with wealth, and the comforts it confers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'meaning Disney Land take the profit, not the handicapped - who btw might be using the system.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... I'm Ok with that... they have the FASTPASS at six flags... we've gone with and without it... '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They still do fast-track, yes?  Use that on the rides you care about, and go sit in the cooled Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion or whatever for the 45 minutes it takes for it to pop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the abuse of the system that bothers me most'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and.. for handicap advocates, this will hurt the handicap in the long run... Disney will be forced to adjust their policy... maybe only alow a single companion instead of a family for the handicap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I very much doubt it happens a significant amount of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or maybe not even allow a single companion... maybe assign a park escort'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and let the handicapped sit inside alone for a few hours until the rest of the ppl make it in?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well it's sort of new... only breaking in the news this morning.. might have been going on for a while, but as far as the masses are concerned.. it only starts as of the day the media picks it up'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'priority queues suck rather because they let you know, what you always knew all along. You are worth less than someone with cash.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's true, all the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's another example of the market poking its nose into areas where, in the past, they would have been distasteful'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'six flags and disney do not exist for our amusement (despite the term "amusement park") - they exist to make money.  and that makes people WITH money worth more to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'next thing up, we will be selling blood and body organs for cash -- oh, no, wait we already did this'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can buy most things with money. Fancy houses and cars, trinkets, loyalty, healthcare. Why not also shorten the line to Disney Land?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then just buy the FASTTRACK ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I agree with you, ElFeneri, healthcare should not be dependent on ability to pay, and people should all join the same queue'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree - I believe the ability to advance, to excell, to earn more - should be rewarded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I disagree with "Gaming" the lines at Disney'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'excel at what Vonliege? Ability to make cash is only one small thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can't all be black and white, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and where has this lead us? as a cute quote, we have the brights minds of our generation working out how to get people to click adds'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ads'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't even keep score in my daughters gym class less someone be labeld the "loser".'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excellence should be rewarded in all areas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when ever someone IS labeld a loser, rather than strive to be better, and NOT be a loser, society allows them to say "not my fault."'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'unless you come up with ideas where you exploit your weakness such as your handicap for instance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they aren't being "better"... they are abusing the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Why point out losers? Isn't it better so just point out the winners?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You should point out the winners, yes... but you are not allowed to because if there is a winner... someone is likely a loser, and that's not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ultimately, the statement that we should point out winners or losers is pretty vacuous, unless you describe how you determine who is who'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and then recognise that mostly things would change if we changed the rules'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously we need to teach our kids to be cutthroats so they can function as proper dog-eat-dog adults'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, if they change the rules for Olympic swimming, so that, for instance, everyone could wear flippers of a defined size, the world leader boards would change over night, because "having big feet" would not longer be the killer advantage that it is now'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, when we venerate record breaking swimmers, we are saying "he had the courage, the determination, the stamina, and the very large feet"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'society in general has the same problem now -- if we define winners as those who make the most cash -- this is pretty shallow and a bad model'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's life though, right? the winners ARE the ones who make the most cash, have the most stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The school I work at caters to the children of a lot of well-to-do people, and I've spoken to them (the parents) on many occasions. I agree entirely, they're rich, but they're certainly not winners.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'Charlie Sheen is rich and is winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but he has black magic on his side. :('
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we can come up with exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking the winners are the materialists, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Only depending on the shallowness of your definition of winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well if we're going to have twenty definitions depending on everyone's personal conceptualization of what it means to succeed in life, what's the point to trying to define terms at all?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Money ruins more people than it elevates, and ruined people leave ruined legacy of spoiled children that can't wipe their own ass. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To define a subjective term? There isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently all terms are subjective'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Success is the achievement of personal goals, so by its very nature, is subjective and beyond an all-encompassing definition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if my personal goal is to become a narcotics addict, all I have to do is get into a pain management program and I'm a winner??'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In your own mind, sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well my own mind doesn't qualify as a working definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look at Charlie Sheen. The guy was heffed up on 30kilos of heroin and still declaring himself a winner. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh christ forget about charlie sheen... that's a loser if I ever saw one'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lol, if you absolutely have to define it then why not just go with "Success is the achievement of one's personal goals", it takes into account the subjectivity of people's views on success by allowing for leeway within the definition as to what those goals are, yet still sets a standard for success.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whether society views you as a success, at the end of the day, is a moot point if you're happy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now you're just saying being happy = winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how many different goal posts we going to set up here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If your drug addict example is happy being a quivering wreck in the gutter, is he less or more successful than the multi-billionare that cries himself to sleep every night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'do these non-ass-wiping, bedtime crying billionaires actually exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unimportant. Answer the question. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"If your drug addict example is happy being a quivering wreck in the gutter, is he less or more successful than the multi-billionare that cries himself to sleep every night?''
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'on the one where you want to know if one hypothetical, hyperbolic individual is more or less a winner than another hypothetical, hyperbolic individual?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'I'd say it is pretty relevant whether such a billionaire exists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess they're BOTH successful so long as that's the life they want'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I don't agree, Craigath. The question is meant to create a hypothetical relationship between happiness & success, not answer an existing problem. Replace the Billionaire with anyone who society deems to be successful and the question would still work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well if you have a link to a profile of an actual billionaire who can't wipe his/her own ass - except for the disables ones of course, which I would think we can exclude from the discussion - I'm happy to look into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Onslaught, which reinforces the subjectivity of success.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which just makes the term meaningless '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which means there is no true measure of success beyond achieving what you want in life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'EVERYONE is a success'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone is a winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unless they don't meet their own goals. There're lots of unhappy people in the world, so I wouldn't say everyone's a winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the point is that success is not a measure of merit -- we currently seem to argue that we are a meritocracy, because the successful people have all the cash. But this is a circular argument. Having a debate about the nature of success is important.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Society tells us that success = money, hot wife, nice car; People don't achieve that, they think they're losers, they become unhappy. I don't have lots of money, a hot wife or a nice car, but I'm happy. Does that make me a loser? Or does it mean society's views of success are different than mine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I agree. But there can be an objective measure of success. I would suggest well-rounded individuals - socially empathic, educated, self-confident individuals who are capable of supporting themselves and possibly a family unit are "successful" at life'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, I'd agree with you but I wouldn't call that success. I know it sounds like semantics, because it is, but being socially empathetic, educated, and self-confident. Success, to me, is a long-term thing, while what you're describing (if you'll excuse my Sheen-ism) is winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well getting to that point is going to be a relatively long-term objective'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and in some ways it never really ends'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Truuf, bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bruv?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me throw a word out there - "Contentment" - THAT is how I measure success... I am content with what I have.  I have been successful in that I am content.  I am content with someone else being able to afford a first class ticket - I do not begrudge them their success.  I am content that I don't get to eat steak every night - I have good tasty food that I am content with.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'bro + guv = bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'broguv?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry I don't know that reference :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I watch too many British movies. It's slang. :('
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I just don't get it and I am too lazy to look it up atm'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'was hoping you'd enlighten me :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'don't taze me bruv!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bruv, no way!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh fuck me... fine I'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'will go look'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bro you probably know, "Don't taze me, bro" and all that. Guv is a cockney term that can be kinda used the same way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They throw it at the end of things in a respectful way, "Good mornin', guv"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I know guv.. guv'nor... etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then there ya go, bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... so it's just been dumbed down?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hasn't everything?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'touche'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'divorce Twinkie.. marry me!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that was supposed to be on ftalk'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No way, most of my Aardgear is his and he doesn't expect me to share it with him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have aard gear!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and cookies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know fae wuv cookies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh. Please foo', I'm in Daoine. We have more cookies than you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But it IS delicious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the point of "no explore" rooms... to let people feel good about haveing a 100% withough having to do the goal, or to "super hide" some rooms?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's fun and puzzles and all... but no explore rooms are like imaginary squares on a crossword... or and extra invisible row on a checkerboard'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is what propted my earlier statement in QA... there should be SOME absolutes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I, personally, speaking for myself, and not imposing my desires and standard on anyone else... would find it much more sporting to be stuck with 173 out of 174 rooms explored, and tring REALLY hard to find that LAST f-ing room!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but the hidden room in Thandeld isn't noexplore'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I have 1 room in war zone unexplored and it's pissing me off I can't find it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a hidden down exit I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I know:  I had never been in that room, and my room count was 173 befor and after going into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'someone suggested it may be the newbie dueling room... which is great so now I have to set alias remort warrior - echo remember to duel someone when you remort asshat'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege: You probably explored that room in Mirror Real'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Mirror Realm*'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's mirror realm?  no "help mirror realm"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'help Thandeld, last line'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or help area replacements'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... looks like conflict went in sometime in mid-march... I was playing then, so it's possible'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll go with that - I explored it while it was still called 'mirror realm''
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep, so you explored it then and according to the mud you have that room explored. It just changed name and moved a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the room is exploreable'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'name had to have changed as well, but the number stayed the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the name stayed, but the number changed'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or my mapper is corupt... there's always that'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I had Thandeld explored 100% before going there because I had explored Mirror Realm. You can purge it though and start over at 0%.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you nuts!?   =)  I busted my arse to get that explored befor there was a wiki map!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news out of the IRS keeps getting better'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would say our Tax service is better, but it's just incompetent in different ways (like letting global megacorps off paying any tax)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've managed to entangle KMOV Channel 4 here in STL.  The IRS goons went after Larry Conners (legendary news anchor here, kinda a modern-day Walter Kronkite), and KMOV Corporate tried to hush him up when trying to speak out about it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the worst thing about the whole affair is that KMOV is the big name in the ratings war, so if they bungle this they're gonna drive lots of viewers over to the Fox affiliate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Rand Paul has alienated the libertarians, too, which kills off his hopes of a 2016 run'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Pauls never really stood a chance, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about chance, it's about whether there is someone with a set of principles I can get behind'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might as well stick with the "Rent's too damn high!" guy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could get behind his dad, not behind him. He's still a decent senator, just not a great one'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that guy is great'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rand's siding with neocons should sound alarm bells to everyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, i'm in the UK, and we've got Nigel Farage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his law/order policy is shite, but the rest of it is ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michigan District Fires All Teachers, Closes Every School'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are these places fucking it up so badly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it near Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Buena Vista, don't know, don't think it's -in- detroit'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't answer the question'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'red state or blue state?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese are trying to take over Detroit, could be a political rather than a performance issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money issue, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see what happens when you put socialists in charge?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, that is what happens when you do not adapt your economy.  Michigan has a crappy economy based on automotive, and that automotive decided to head to non union states instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like china and mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and South Carolina.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all Toyota trucks are built in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and china'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon Toyota will be building the prius in Texas, and Lexus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, both niche markets'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prius, catering to the democrat market in trendy Austin, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is the 2nd largest market for the 5 priuses, after Cali.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they sold 5? blimey, 3 more than here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'see them all over in Houston.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 5 different priuses, the prius is not 1 car anymore, it is 5.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody saw the point of buying a prius here when for the same money you could get a BMW with similar fuel economy, and a much nicer car to boot, and better for the environment'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your bmw gets 97 mpg?  :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '60, same as the prius'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my prius gets 97 mpg avg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your prius is broken, their rated mpg is 60'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and much lower on long journies'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, mine has a battery bank that is 3x larger, and a plug in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regular priuses do not'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can buy a regular prius with a plug in and a bigger battery as an option.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you might'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here saw electric cars, saw the real terms impact on the environment (apparently the reason for buying them) and rightly decided: No'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because you prefer to pay $8 a gallon for fuel :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we prefer to get where we're going'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out electric is also pretty costly'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I fill my prius gas tank halfway every couple months....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I can go anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'range on electric is what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '80 miles'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so for me personally i'd need to use gas 3 days a week at least'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'assuming you never plugged in the car at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just said it had a range of 80 miles, so if you do more than 80 miles in a day you'd be using gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is right, more then 80 miles a day you use gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you plug it in where yu park it during the day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no public points here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just plug it into the places outside outlets wherever I go if they are close.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'restaurants, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars won't fly here until they do 500 miles on a charge'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the price drops by more than half'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah right, no one in england drives 500 miles a day using diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'barely a third would be able to charge overnight'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg american drives commutes less than 40 miles a day'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe they do, most people here don't have a garage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't charge them on the street'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an electric hybrid that gets 50 miles per charge plus the gasoline mpg would be good enough.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plug in hybrids are the future of electric cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen cars are the future'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Volt is a damn nice car, and as the price comes down it will sell hundreds of thousands.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydrogen isnt going to happen in our lifetime, it costs too much to make fuel cells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuel cells? just have a tank'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even worse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low mpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with natgas cars is the range.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same problem with hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? conventional technology everyone is used to, ability to fill up at stations, or have your own plant'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's not to like?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say the same about electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont have the power to produce hydrogen to fuel it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, electric is here and now and growing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't have the power to create the hydrogren, you don't have the power to charge your electric cars'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you do, it takes more energy to create hydrogen then it takes to just recharge a battery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, hydrogen can be stored, batteries are inefficient for storage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no power plant is going to sell power at a good price to produce hydrogen, but they will love for you to use power at night to recharge your batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get a power break when I use power at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why wouldn't you use power to generate hydrogen at night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '13 cents a kwh in the day, and 7 cents per kwh at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you happen to have an efficient electrolyzer in your garage to create enough hydrogen ? '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need an industrial size hydrogen plant to make hydrogen feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A guy in NY built a hydrogen plant in his backyard with a $500,000 grant from the US govt, runs his whole house on it, and his boat, cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he uses solar power to make the hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric is typically 16-22c per kmh here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has 18 huge propane tanks to hold the hydrogen produced by his system....the 18 tanks last him the whole winter of low hydrogen production from his solar system.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would work well here too, but you'd need planning permission for the panels (denied) and would need to jump through all kinds of hoops to have the storage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an electric hybrid engine would be cheaper and work just as well, :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including liability insurance, safety inspections etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will inevitably start charging electric car drivers a fee per mile here, too, soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as soon as the market is big enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fuel cell he had to buy cost $45k because the smallest one the fuel cell company made was 15k'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd never buy a prius, though if given one, i might sell it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I like the episode where Top Gear compares fuel efficienty of a Prius and a BMW M3.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer the cash to either'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my natgas car, but without a garage pump hooked up to the natgas line...it would be really annoying to have one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to put an efficient diesel engine in my box van.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go from 6 mpg to 22 in an instant.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friend's recovery vehicle gets nearly 30 when not towing'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Star Donkey: Into the Ass.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'As a conservative, we mustn't let this IRS crisis go to waste. It's a perfect time to propose eliminating most of the IRS (and thus its ability to be a political pawn) and replacing it with a fair tax. Learn from Obama: no crisis should go unwasted!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he didn't create any crisis, he just reacted to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Kojiro - November never said that obama created a crisis'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he as good as did with his strong implication'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was simple refering to stunts like lining the stage with the classmates of dead children'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just beacuse obama is black doesn't mean you can treat him differently'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh.. I see... it's toss a piece of bait day'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who lined the stage with dead children?  wtf (sicko)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'troll'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or would it be 'trawl'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just chumming the channel, trawling for fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I was actually referring to the financial situation in 2009, and what Rahm Emanual said about it. http://www.smartbrief.com/11/30/08/dont-let-perfectly-good-crisis-go-waste'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'While it wasn't Obama who said it, he was part of the administration at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they did a god job reforming the GSEs and housing industry.  oh wait.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '(or about to be)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Yes, I'd say Obama listened to that one. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, backyard oil....rednecks drilling for oil in Kentucky.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some guy in kentucky decided to drill an oil well in his front yard and hit oil.....about 8 barrels a day at 800 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'must be a real bitch to mow it each year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, he needs space for the heavy machinery necessary to drill, and then install the donkey, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you can use a small drill rig to go up to 2000 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the donkey is small...the guy has a 200 acre piece of land.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a medium size rig can go 4000 feet down, and costs about $2 million, but you can rent one for $25,000 a week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling knew how to work rigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but we have lost her institutional knowledge now'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling didn't know how to work rigs :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes she did'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, starling knew how to point at a plot of land and let the rig guys work the rig'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you think because she's a woman she wasn't smart enough?  it was her life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) I don't think he's a woman at all, (2) I didn't state anything about "because" she's a woman, (3) it wasn't her life, the geology was'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh abelinc, you're such a cad'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind producing 8 barrels a day per well on my land though....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you only getting 8, how long is it really going to last?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the field, and at 8 barrels a day that is still $250,000 a year before taxes, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are wells in Texas that have been pumping 8 barrels a day since the 1920s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they call them stripper wells...most of them were capped in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, so the guy who found oil in his front yard, decided to drill in his back yard...and 400 feet away he hit oil again....probably the same field, but it is producing 40 barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he probably had some mindication there was oil.  like seeing oil seep up through the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no seeps'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hit oil 1800 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he couldn't have been THAT bored that he just decided to drill at random.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, he WAS looking for gas, and found oil instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'should I hire a handicapped person to tour disney world with my family?  we would be able to skip all the lines via handicap priveleges.  And it's half the price of paying for the disney no-line pass.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol wtf would he do with gas?  flare it as a nightlight?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how quiet do they run?  Or do you just shut them down at night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he spent $40,000 drilling the first and 2nd well......1 week each to drill about 1800 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seems like having one going nonstop in your yard would be too loud.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  Once the donkey is in, there is almost no noise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you install a big tank next to the donkey to hold the oil, and a truck comes to pick up the oil each week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guys day job is oil well drilling for people....and was bored so he drilled his own yard  :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'this tale rings false'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've never know Rizgoth to troll half-assishly, Kojiro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'one man's troll is another's conversation'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love oil wildcatting....it is a lost art.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hey, laidies!  The experts say that dreaming of yourself as a lesbian demonstrates a high level of self-confidence.  Do you find this to be true?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wth, you never talk to a geologist while in the bathroom.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you dont know...just dont bend over.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't care for the earthy tone of the conversation?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, kinda strange for a kid to only be 12 years younger than the father.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'happens alot in kentucky I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'augen, how white do you think middle eastern jesus was (from wangroup topic)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When they take away justice of the law....your only recourse is the way of the gun....defend your land!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, most of us dont own land... so we dont need guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'preach it Riz!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only sheep do not need guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and sheep usually get killed by the wolf.....so are you a sheep or a wolf ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... we're not sheep or wolves'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont debate with furries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I do'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... wait. Debate. Nevermind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah.. I mean if yer a sheep, why would you debate anything? you just keep on keeping on.. and if yer a wolf, why now you should be shooting something dangnabbit'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, the first drone has taken off from a US carrier.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine looking drone too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go go gadget Skynet!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I for one welcome our new UAV overlords.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the X-47b'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, drones from boats seems passe. i wanna see a boat take off from a drone'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. STAHP. DRONES'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in soviet russia, uaz moves you'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'those really aren't the drones I'm looking for anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'In soviet russia, they've got the moves to power you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'onslaught omg i laughed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is there a moral or ethical reason to not poison a cat? '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught bows before VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'People would think you were a scientist, and it would be ethically wrong to deceive them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Tallest building in the US is now the One World Trade Center, at 1776 feet tall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also the 3rd tallest building in the world......not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It could have been built taller, but they wanted the symbolism of it being 1776 feet tall....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, I noticed that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There's a loophole in Einstein's general theory of relativity that could allow a ship to traverse vast distances in less time than it would take light. The trick? It's not the starship that's moving it's the space around it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't the "relative" part of relativity mean it doesn't really matter which is moving?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see Alcubierre Drive'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How do you suppose one would contract a space that one has never visited before?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'absolutely no idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'unless you're just wanting to go places you've already been'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been to Jabuti, Somalia, Egypt, and libyia... never been to SA, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about the German family that may get deported back to Germany?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kick 'em out?  or keep 'em here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'id love a cute gerrman chick of my own'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's not so many of those.. they're pretty big boned people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. what about a cute russian chick then'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if you CAN find a cute one.. they can be pretty cute'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose there are a few... but I think all the really good ones are in the porn industry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'germantubevids.xxx ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not even going to click that link =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it doesn't work :( I just tried it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sounds like a business opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not my scene'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'christiangermantube.xxx ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers at his own evil thoughts.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno, porn is cheaper than divorce and catholics hate both'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds an awful lot like turkey icecream sundae'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not the porn I buy!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sigh my favorite fluffer moved to idaho to be near her sister'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about it?  German family seeking asylum - let them stay or kick them back to Germany?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl. Holder: "I can't say as a matter of fact who authorized subpoena"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, he can't actually say "I don't remember".  He's already used that excuse before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bullshit. if you're turning up to be questioned on it, you damned well find out'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean to tell me they don't keep records of subpoena?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's quite obviously bs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'difference bettween "can't' and "won't" ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't, he needs to be, at the very least, fired'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what can you expect from ObamaGate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indimOgate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'intimOgate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only person who stands any chance of not getting busted here is Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, my alma mater was in the news! http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3765790.ece'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his administration has more scandals going on than the Grant administration.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'impeach him!!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly.. .If I were in a similar situation, and I know who did X... I might not reveal that either... there's all  kinds of factors to condiser - chiefly among them - how long can we stonewall this... 5, 6 or even 10 months from now... finding out who 'authorized' the action will seem like a HUGE victory for the obama opponents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously though, in the UK these people would be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ffs, the chief whip resigned for allegedly calling a policeman "a pleb" even though it turned out later the policeman had lies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lied*'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it take to get rid of these people? Hilary and Noddy Holder should be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the head of the IRS and -everyone- who went along with IRSgate should be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like you haven't got enough unemployed people willing to fill the boots'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even bush didn't go after the media like this'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -need- whistleblowers to be able to blow the whistle'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'David Howard resigned after taking fire for using the word "niggardly"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it being an entirely valid word'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought Hilary was already gone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's still a Senator, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gone means gone from public office and barred from coming back'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that perfectly legitimate word has gotten alot of poeple in trouble - classic case of "it doesn't matter what you ment... it only matters if you offended someone"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. Hilary is still a Senator?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... hilary is getting ready for 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I worry about you Uiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger too :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you go, learn something new every day'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you don't leave your seat when you become a minister'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't minister like speaker?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you thought she ran for the Senate while she was Secretary of State?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans, minister is head of a government department'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ran? no, '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ran/was elected to/whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he thought she remorted into secstate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think that's even allowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls on the floor laughing at Hanslanda's antics!
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she required 300 senator levels before she could do that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since she had the incorrect build, she sucked at secretary of state'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't why, it was because she was a member of the wrong clan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, she should be prevented as part of her punishment from holding public office in future'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with noddy holder'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, that'll happen'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you'd like a pony for Christmas too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they threw our energy minister in JAIL for 3 months for a speeding offence, ffs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are just fucking pussies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics should be a blood-in, blood-out affair.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're supposed to hold your politicians to -at least- as high a level as the public'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't, then shit like this happens. .... .guess what? shit like this is happening'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was impeached for 1/10th of this'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Nixon actually knew about and ordered what he did'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nixon resigned before he was impeached.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so far I don't see the evidence of Obama's direct involvement'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we aren't talking about Obama, we're talking about Noddy Holder and Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon sold out to the CFR, but at least he did the right thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well where is the evidence of their direct involvement in the respective scandals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Hilary accepted responsibility yes, but directly involved?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Holder.. well I'm inclined to believe he's a naive fool'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if that's what he wants to claim'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to be directly involved, they SHOULD have been involved, it's their job. They were either involved, or they were negligent'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'either way, the buck stops with Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about that young homosexual employee of the state department who posed as a spy in exchange for not having footage shown'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gay spies now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If it turns out Holder did know about the IRS thing, he probably should be in jail for corruption'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you think he will get a nice homecoming as an alleged cia spy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'uh yeah, ryan cristopher fogle wasnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SpyFags!(tm)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Spy on Spy, MAD TV's reboot of a classic series.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'al jaffee is dead! no more genuine maad magazine'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's never stopped anyone before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh that reminds me. how long after death can someone's tissue still be used to conceive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tissue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in law?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would imagine it depends on your local jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, China's recent testing of an anti-satellite missile has got the pentagon rhubarbing and wanting to militarise space'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why bother. china has cb more manpower'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cb?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fingers too fat. please mash keypad'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if the pentagon didn't want to militarize space already'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we have treatise in place NOT to'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's like saying "hey China has drones, now the Pentagon is gonna wanna build some drones too!?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats why they built that giant maid'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yes... laws... oh how awesome we are at following laws'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh. Iron Sky spoke the truth! All satellites are militarized!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'let's ask the Associated Press how well the constitution protected them lately'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people should be held to account for that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we can hopoe'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hope too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china haven't broken the convention'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(should be pointed out)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you sure about that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it was naughty testing it without cleaning up after themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, associated press is a newspaper. therebeit an office of public trust. whats wrong with scrutiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they break everything else'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with that particular episode, no'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean cyber espionage alone...'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on man, they're not the only superpower doing cyber espionage'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that isn't my point'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest illegal hacking operation is the US/Israel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is israel still rocketing syria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what is your point'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, VD, last i heard they were amassing troops on the northern border with Lebanon/Golan Heights'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'my point was how do you know what China is/isn't doing vis-a-vis space warfare and such?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'guess its not news worthy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty difficult to hide space launches, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for difficult, read "almost impossible"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did you see the last one yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't get it man... half the time you're paranoid bordering on pure lunacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'im paranoid too, but just cause of all the investigations'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not even remotely the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is arming up, it's true, but in terms of space-bound stuff, the west has it tied up'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I just wonder how you can know that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'simple, he lives there'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aside from how you apparently have a 24/7/365 global spycam'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'spycam eh. how many fingers do i hold up'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, number of times Philly police were shot at in 2012: 3, Number of times Philly police fired at the public in 2012: 52'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that sounds like a problem to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to keep those nigga's heads down!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'niggas''
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see the video of rochester cops beating up a disabled black guy in a motorised wheelchair, tasering him?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon to the Nato-backed Al-Qaeda rebel leader being filmed cutting out the heart of a dead Syrian soldier and eating it? '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did he cook it first or use any condiments or anything?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just cut it out of the guy's chest and sunk his teeth into it after declaring a nasty death on all Aliwhites'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sort of practice is normal.  It's not the kind of cannibalism like Dahmer or Lecter, it's just a religious belief that eating an opponent's key organs transfers the worthy qualities to the victor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's  not normal practice in a civilised society, and not normal for the Syrian state army'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'impressively hard core... I mean I see heads being cut off all the time, but eating the guy's heart? Was he alive when it happened?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wouldn't be a dead syrian soldier if he was alive at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never be have funded the rebels, should never have legitimised the opposition, and should stop all aid aside from the refugeeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's normal, Tiger.  Several civilizations across the globe (I think even the Apaches did it) have done it historically, a few still do it in some form.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not normal insofar as modern day civilized activities are concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, i agree with onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's normal for barbaric civilisations, then we probably shouldn't be supporting it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would anyone here take Obama's side one any of the recent issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no point bringing any of THAT up then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dizzy heights of 57F here tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'at least someone is getting global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global cooling mor like'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you see the news reports from the UK of 2 inches of snow in some places, a months rain in 1 day in others?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'warmer, coder, wetter, drier, more or less extreme weather - it's all AGW'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'colder!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention heavy metals being pumped into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't forget the chemtrails that are totally a thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to being not a thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'chemtrails produce rainclouds on a clear day'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were serious about co2 reduction, should ban air travel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rain is good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least curtail it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with air travel, but it should cost 2x more than it does....airlines need to make a profit too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong except the pollution'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's all we need, the world's military looking up and going "Mine!  All mine, you can't have any!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'well lotsa things to fix, not enought thinkin done ..  and still making proffit ..'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'airlines produce a lot less co2 than residential buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'that 'll be the root of all ebil .. priffit :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best set to fabricating more problems to create a profitable solution for then, Rintrah'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'residential buildings produce the most co2 of any industry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building of buildings, or the buildings themselves?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting that residential buildings respire, but industrial ones do not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've just passed co2 levels never before seen in human history, but that's still nowhere near what the Earth can support.  We're really just compressing the horizontal axis (timeframe), thus far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are actually still homes that use heating oil to heat their in efficient homes...something like 15% of homes in the US use heating oil.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are that your statement isn't true, hans, you need to add "modern" before the "human history"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with heating oil?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'really.. chemtrails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is dirtier than electric or natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sometimes I honestly worry about you people'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about chemtrails, it is a nonissue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't change the fact that most non-natural co2 comes from industry'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an issue when stuff starts dying of heavy metal poisoning'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like the pesticide spraying they're doing of an entire woodland site in the UK to kill some foreign moth larvae'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no worries there, Tiger.  The government's innoculated all of us with rocket fuel.  So much so that it's detectable in both breastmilk AND baby formula.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I thought the whackos thought that chemtrails were caused by alien ships flying through the earths atmosphere.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the canopy, it won't kill much of the target moths, but will wipe out most other moth species'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people have been dying of heavy metal poisoning since long before industry came about'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, why didn't i think of that solution? It was bad before, so let's just pretend it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how we got all our best prophets, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and no Riz, chemtrails are a human invention/conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see Tiger.. I never said "pretend it doesn't exist"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are reality'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but for some reason you love to extrapolate all of my arguments into conclusions I don't make'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and 99% of the time I wouldn't make them even if I DID give a conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not a conspiracy in the sense that they are not a clandestine plot'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes they exist, but THIS: The chemtrail conspiracy theory posits that some trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for purposes undisclosed to the general public in clandestine programs directed by various government officials.[1] This theory is not accepted by the scientific community, which states that they are just normal contrails, as there is no scientific evidence supporting the chemtrail theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or as you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, shit strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(depending on your point of view)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, thanks to the rubber-hand illusion, it seems to be the case that racism in whites is simply just in their heads.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemtrail lacing has been used in localised weather modification, most notably and publicly in China before the 2008 olympic games, and over a longer period in the UAE. They have also previously experimented with atmosphere spraying as a potential weather weapon before an agreement was signed at the UN in 1972 banning the practice. It is currently used in widespread experiements of using spraying compounds containing aluminium, boron, or strontium into the atmosphere to mitigate the effects of co2 warming the atmosphere by reducing the amount of sunlight hitting the earth'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'technically everything is "in our heads" ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they didn't account for is this also causes heat to be trapped at the surface of the planet that would otherwise escape during night time hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There were many times when the co2 in the atmosphere was much higher compared to today, and life survived.....we will survive it, and create technology that will be cleaner and cheaper over time....that is what we do...we explore, whether it is the boundries of science, or building materials, it is all the same.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next strawman argument please!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least twice or three times as high.  There is even a hypothesis that says it was so warm at some point that stuff would just spontaneously combust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when the dinosaurs were running the show, the co2 levels were 4x higher compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they lived for hundreds of millions of years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher co2 levels means higher crop yields -> more food'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was a lot more oxygen, too.  One of the reasons they got so big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(to a point)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's not as if we would become extinct. Changes in the atmosphere bring various sets of benefits and negative consequences as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'and we could metiaon HARRP just for the fun of it ..'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but we don't like change  - esepecially the drastic sort'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yeah, HARP'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for a cleaner, less polluted planet. Having said that, restricting people's freedoms, making them poor, and giving all OUR money to Al Gore enterprises probably isn't the approach needed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the co2 in the atmosphere is postponing the next ice age.....and that is a good thing, considering we are in between ice ages.....ice ages are the norm on planet earth....not the time inbetween them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely you mean HAARP?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which has nothing to do with spraying pollutants in the atmosphere)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well whatever, harp harrp herpies whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'b.s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should feel honoured to be branded a member of the tinfoil hat brigade by such uniformed people'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to drill for oil on the ranch, but my dad says no. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This ranch is part of the old humble oil leases of the 1930s, where lots of oil was extracted....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'running short of cash, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fucking oil drilling'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go for it, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'completely the wrong direction'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz... you pour crude on your wheaties in the morning, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, face your oil rig the other way round'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'satisfy Onslaught, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'O'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Riz drives a prius, therefore it balances out, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a natgas car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've said it before... burn everyone else's oil first.. then burn our own'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(doesn't matter that more CO2 was used creating it than will ever be saved by it, but there)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could say the same thing about the car you drive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and your car wont save you a nickel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car doesn't have pretensions of being green, it's a crap diesel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i dissing you for having a prius. There are plenty of justifiable reasons for owning one, especially in the modified form you have, however planet-saving isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, I have 17 1.5 megawatt wind turbines on our land up near Amarillo Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could you show me the way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in 3 years, I have still not found a dead bird on ground from them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a few species that don't like them, but most birds are fine, especially out to sea'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bats are badly affected by wind turbines'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see dead birds along the road all the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I doubt that wind turbines would be more dangerous than roads'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'for birds'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sea-going turbines are also damned good for fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and for creating reefs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty against shutting down power stations when you'r eimporting electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly retarded'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure france would love to export some more nuclear power to you guys for a high price....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in the case of the UK, not building any new power generation on any significant scale for 20 years, then wondering why we're having to import it from france and russia, and wondering why the price has gone sky high'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians ftw'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what the EPA will do when it gets the go-ahead to reimplement the Cross-State stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france already owns our entire nuclear power production'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also own a significant portion of our energy companies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to a retarded, crony capitalist right wing government'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Those french are wise....they couldnt beat you in war, so they are beating you with energy. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were never actually at war with them.  Twice we've been in police action, but that was with British involvement (first as colonists in the French and Indian, second in the pick-on-America threeway that was the War of 1812)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they beat nobody, they were allowed to by dodgy backhanders and self-ingratiation by the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there you go, that is how you beat them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er how they are beating you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt i can do about that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'move'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you have solar panels right ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be going energy self sufficient when i get my own place in the 24th century'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you are doing something about it....in 5 years the price of solar will be 50% cheaper than today, and 5 years after that, again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar hot water is a beautiful thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the service life of a solar water/space heater rig?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until a tree limb falls on it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'price is not the key factor here'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solar is unreliable here on account of the poor weather, and there are restrictions as to how much solar you're allowed due to the draconian building regs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i will be trying to get a mix of solar and wind'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with a ground source heat pump'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, my solar hot water system cost about $2500 to buy and install...it produces about 80% of the hot water needs for my house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a natgas backup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds gave me a $1000 tax rebate for it, and the electric company gave me a $500 power credit for installing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah turns green with envy at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just reading about the carbon impact of manufacturing solar panels... with a life span of 25 years, they barely break even on carbon impact'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is new tech coming out that will improve on that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's TODAY.. it will improve in time, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that was 6 years ago, it has paid for itself in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels last much longer than 25 years, that is just an arbitrary time limit used by the manufacturers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the accoutrements probaly last considerably less'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa has 40 year old solar panels on our ranch, still producing as much power as when bought.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CAT puts it closer to 12 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we of course have lots of newer panels as well, but the original ones still work fine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get government feed-in tariffs on your electric, maximum is a 4kw installation. WIthout feedin tariffs, the largest installation without explicit permission (i.e, the max limit because they won't GIVE permission) is 9 square meters'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '2-6% decrease in efficiency per year after 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing i'd like to see is some sort of battery storage unit for calm nights'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said, our panels still produce their rated amount :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on what I have read in the past few minutes... most panels are just big sun shades after 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would you sell your car if it was emitting smoke and had cosmetic foibles?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit chinese made ones probably'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's from US department of Energy, CAT, and several others'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how much power is produced is determined on how well you treat the panels....if you buy used panels from someone and those panels have been moved around, beat up over time, of course their production will drop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you keep them in place, and keep them clean...they will produce rated power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the stuff I read was based on new panels... not sure of origin'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'solar has to mature a bit before I'll buy in'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hell ... geothermal is a better option for me'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's your insurance premium on those panels?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have almost 12000 watts of solar panels on the ranch, plus a geothermal system to make the AC more efficient, and solar hot water.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house has solar hot water, and geothermal'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'geothermal takes what form?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn. solar sounds nice. maybe my next car will have a solar cb air conditioner'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an air temp reduction/increase system'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. solar air conditioner. not cb. wth'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we cool the air by running it through 6 loops of underground tubing before it gets to the AC intake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increases the efficiency quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heat exchanger, gotcha'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brotherinlaw is experimenting with a heat exchanger built into his borehole'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'electricity is still too cheap... generator for backup'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batteries for backup!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like so many marriages'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are cheap ways to increase efficiency....reduce your use of electricity for the big things.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like mudding'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt make a whole lot of sense to buy LED lights though, unless you keep the lights on all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'solar has just been pushed too hard, too soon by the eco-nazis... I think I'll wait 5-6 years and see how it's doing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege not me. ill slap solar on my car soon as its free'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, eco-nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'always good for an insightful, meaningful contribution, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you get free gas now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a priori :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these the eco-nazi's that come up with brilliantly inciteful ideas like claiming i shouldn't drive to work, that i should somehow magically teleport, or use the magical liberal unicorn ride?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ffree, nah, i ferry about total strangers for coin'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for most people solar power is not that useful, unless you use a lot of energy....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we can't all have that gig, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von sure you can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making your house more efficient will do more for your finances than buying solar panels though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, floor insulation, better windows/doors'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a multifuel burner'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(secondary heating)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"turning shit off"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar screens for windows'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but that same stuff you turn off acts as heating too doesnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if you don't need the heat'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point, Vamp... if everyone were a beggar, there'd be no one left to put coins in your cup'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'picking up passengers for coin is illegal here'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, depends what they beg for'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps I misunderstood...'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you pick up people for money?  like a private taxi?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger  here its legal :-)  but you get better pay to settle on a fee before letting them in the car'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, in a loose sense , yeah'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK. Shitting on even dates is illegal here too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, this Yamaha 2000 watt generator is pretty damn good....and extremely quiet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in eco mode, it produces 1000 watts of energy for 10 hours on 1 gallon of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ran my 6000 btu air conditioner quite well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is giving 2.5 million to the maldives while sequestering governm re nt employees at home a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woo! The House is voting to repeal Obamacare for only the... 37th time! BUT... it's the Republican Freshmens' first vote on it, so it's kinda like another pointless vote - for the first time!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'government run healthcar sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I hate government healthcars'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vroom vroom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its why im on tabs instead of surgery'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that once Obamacare actually starts to 'touch' people, they will wake up.. they'll have to suffer with it for a little while, and then it will be repealed...  will cost a butt-ton of $$ in the meantime, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know a guy and a woman who were already 'touched' by Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because murica'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they appeciate it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. there are anecdotal cases out there already... but I mean when the MASSES are touched'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fortunately we can't base the efficacy of the program on those two individuals'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'touching masses sounds very catholic'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dagnir, do you think catholic charities do surgeries on non catholics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'definitely going to be an interesting couple of years coming up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yeah, government run healthcare sucks and every other civilised nation on earth is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'by then we should have hit what... 150 attempts to repeal Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I heard numbers onthe radio yesterday... didn't confirm them, but it was "initial reported cost of obama care - ~700B"... current projection is 3T.  not sure if that's accurate'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if he cant fix va or tribal healthlthcare, why does he want more health programs to maintain?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the radio huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which station?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... radio... little box with buttons?  sound comes out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '93.7'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sigh, surgery would be nice. 20mg tabs are just depressing. and make me feel loopy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '93.7 fm?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a 'clear channel' station'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'making a radio sounds fun. maybe i could do that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't tell me much'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'was this a news update?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'talk radio?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't really see what it matters what radio station it was... google "clear channel"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... it was hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Hannity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'google hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well see now I can go listen what you were listening to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and hear the numbers for myself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's why it matters'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'becoming a criminal and selling them wouldnt get me a surgery since itd take 14,000 sales. meh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the shows are archived'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'knowing Hannity as I do, I'm sure he has addressed Obamacare with an open and even-handed approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I should be able to get all kinds of reasonable information'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no such luck... he's as right slanted as they come'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he is?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh come on'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's as far right leaning as Rachel Madowis left'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't believe for a second you could just toss out a budgetary number from some politically slanted source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did "disclaim" it pretty well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"not sure if that's accurate"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not much of a disclaimer'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but now I will have to go find an accurate source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like ianal disclaimers myself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"I heard it on Sean Hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'much better disclaimer'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik there are no major news sources in the usa, it's all opinion "news"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'onslaught... why are you hating so bad?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who, me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why would you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hes mad because of xavier wiping magnetos mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'man why is it the only "onslaught" anyone around here seems to know is the X-Men one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'buncha frickin fanboys'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause memnarch and crovax are nobodies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Heavier than normal spring rains have put the corn crop far behind schedule: Only 28 percent of corn fields have been planted this year compared with 85 percent at this time in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I had some corn on the cob last week from Mexico... delicious'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A new fungus strain is wrecking havoc on the coffee plants in Columbia....good thing they have cocaine to fall back on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aww... not coffee :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are kabar  knives a better recreational bring along than a folding gerber knife?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Kbar is a marginally better brand than gerber'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'both have a rich history which they have pretty much pissed away with shoddy manufacturing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I have to agree with Vonliege for once'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but i mean, fixed blade or folding ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for camping or riding the metro?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'get both... why limit yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hiking, camping, visiting foreign locals, maybe a boat ride too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fixed blade will always be more reliable and versitile... but a folder can be carried without alarming the sheep'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gerber makes good baby food also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hicking, camping and boat rides - fixed... visiting forein lands - folding ceramic... unless you're traveling with an army'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. so no folding metal then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'folding metal is great for going to town and church'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like onslaught said... get 'em all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nod, got em all, but trying to cut weight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if you want to get just one... get a $90-100 3.5 inch folding knife'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then a mid-size folder'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'guess i can throw some of em on cl. people like pointy objects'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if wieght is a concern'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N60KW4380'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think they are allowed on CI'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think they are allowed on CL'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i already have the knives.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have a Snap Lock 2... which is a smaller version'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I would kill all of you for it I love it so much'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of you!!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah they are. they allows bangs on cl'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a fan of benchmade, almar and Kershaw'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well this yorkcraft fake  leatherman tool has a knife too, meh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Uk government committee made themselves look like idiots in front of cameras questioning google today'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'why they q google?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax avoidance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paid 7m tax on over 3bn revenue'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, not like the gov could shut google down if they tried.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could levy them if they had the nuts to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pass laws to ensure ethical complaince'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compliance. as it is, it's just PR to make them look like they're doing something and to try and deflect attention away from the fact that they're shit, and the country is bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no were  not. we just gave 2.5 mil to the maldives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK did?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, usa did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your problem. you're broke too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no were not. we just gave 2.5 mil to maldives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'giving away money doesn't mean you're not broke...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cant give what you dont have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but is pretty dodgy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the egypt military handout was far dodgier'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the news tonight! sectarian beheadings by the western backed syrian rebels in syria, sectarian bombings by the western backed Sunnhi's in Iraq!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i didn't know that Hilary was fired from her position as a junior lawyer working on the Watergate enquiry, the former chiest of staff of the House Judiciary Committee who supervised her said "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stronge praise indeed, no wonder she became a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'where was bill while she did that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not married at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what's the source for that Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://patdollard.com/2013/05/flashback-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation-for-lying-unethical-behavior-conspiracy-to-violate-the-constitution/'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't acting alone, part of ongoing political shenanigans'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that that exhonerates her or justifies it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gotta love this stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they really are terrified of 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the political establishment are all dodgy as fuck, the CLintons and the Bushes are the worst, but there are others, maybe half a dozen 'clans''
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be worth dispensing with a federal government just to be rid of their influence'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh, not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wonder how many political hit-pieces we'll see before Hilary even declares her candidacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean this one isn't even new'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can think of a better way of neutering dodgy family clans in politics, then lets here it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts' heart was melting, now it's breaking.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hear, even'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'since you won't be able to remove "dodgy family clans" from politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no matter what you do'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think it's worth wasting my time/energy trying to think of ways to do the impossible'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to spot a pattern'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I certainly hope so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'politics appeals to dodgy types'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hence you get their involvement'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that wasn't the pattern i was spotting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was more about your input'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah, well it's hardly a secret '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, is this where you try to question the reality of politics by attacking me? '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"gee Onslaught you're always so negative, don't you ever have any positive input??"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a bit more nuanced than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd describe it as shooting down others without having anything constructive to bring'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it's like being a troll-lite'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'look you don't have to take my word for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go pick up any history book on politics and look at the kinds of people who have ruled the system since the country's founding'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a subscriber to the "it's bad, but it's always been like that, so let's not bother, let's live in shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's self-defeating'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't say it was bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'only that it is what it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so delusional as well as negative? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are some exceptions, but by and large you have the same personality types running the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sometimes people do'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'those are the exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but eventually even they join the dark side as it were'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or die trying to avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there always new things that can be tried'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'such sa?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'err, as?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I happen to agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK's specific problem, abolishing party whips'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd love to have term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it would help many things, including the permanent state of running for office we have'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though really, you can best diffuse the lust for ultimate office by minimising the power the feds actually have'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but do you think term limits will dissuade power-hungry individuals from running for office?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but it would cycle new people in which gives you a better chances of gettign good people'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought you said *I* was delusional?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for saying that the current system isn't bad? yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sad thing is you could get really good people and then you lose then because of term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes with the territory'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we could steal a term.. the current system is bad, but still better than any OTHER system out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you guys have a sytem of recall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it depends on where you are'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's a patchwork'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but in some places we do and it's even utilized at times'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what % of peopel are required to sign the recall to force an election of a house member?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that depends on the area I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a rare thing that should be standardised'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I believe most are dependent on a specific number of signatures'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not a percentage'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well yeah, but then you run afoul of the local power people'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'states' rights, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it, it doesn't reduce states rights'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well a standardized system which is the same everyone does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a state wanted easier powers of recall, then they could have it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not if it's a standardized system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone has to be the same then'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have a minimum standard'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well this isn't standardization'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e "you must be at least as unpopular as bush to ride"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, yeah, it is, '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standardised minimum requirements'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in this case maximum requirements'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok then, minimum standards, fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if an area doesn't WANT to have recall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they don't recall'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if the people there believe that you vote in who you vote in and nothing short of violating the law/constitution should allow removal of a public office holder?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that kinda the point?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then you don't even have a minimum'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the majority felt that, it wouldn't be an issue, since they'd vote him back in'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well just because a majority believe it doesn't mean a majority actually vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that their problem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'compulsory voting doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think it should?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it would be nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but it wouldn't be freedom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor would it be conducive to a helpful result'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe, maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see political parties banned, but can't think of a practical way that could be made to work'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Australia seems to do ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would be unconstitutional anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i've seen some of the morons they've elected....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well just because you call someone a moron doesn't make it so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in this case it's so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it luck if you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coincidence?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess disagreeing with you just makes me negative again, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do seem to make a habit of electing dumbarses, Julia Gillard is a prime example. Paul Keating was another'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagreement of matter of opinions is fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagreeing for the sake of it, is negative'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I disagree with your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can disagree with whom you like, about what you like, doesn't make you right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and having an opinion doesn't make YOU right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, though having an opinion and disagreeing without someone about it is better than not having an opinion and still disagreeing with someone about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your mind-reading skills are truly amazing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what else have you to say for yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did I need to?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you wanted'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'going back to the original topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts.. I think we can all agree on this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Lincoln put it best'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and political office conveys power onto the office holder'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paraphrasing, if you want to test someone's character, give him power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but regardless of how good someone is or how short the term is or how limited etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and political office conveys power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't get around that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and so long as humans are the ones holding office'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's the pooint'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then you deny human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because it's statistically likely, doesn't make it inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there have existed politicians who have not succumbed to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think you can get every office filled with one of those exceptions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not simultaneously'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then the exceptions prove the rule'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean you shouldn't try'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you can try, but you won't be able to do it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effort combined with systemic changes can help mitigate the badness, even if it cannot completely overturn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and thinking you can or thinking that I'm being negative because I won't go about my life as if it were even remotely possible to do so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it isn't "badness"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being human isn't a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an overgeneralisation'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any more than cats acting like cats is a "bad" thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shedding all over the place and tearing up the furniture and tasting like chicken'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not "bad" things'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'purity of governance is effected by entropy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and sometimes governments need to be refreshed by the blood of patriots. Disn't one of the founds once say something like that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reborn? i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dwight D Eisenhower and JFK probably the last two US presidents to actually  be true to the gravity of their position'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true to the gravity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what is that even supposed to be mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they worked for the country and it's people, rather than for the betterment of their political party, or their own vested interests'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'JFK was hardly unethical.. I wouldn't say as unethical as they come.. but close'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not to mention violations of the law'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is an example of the best of our leaders?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, best we had was Churchill, and possibly Thatcher, but she made a ton of strategic errors'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow.. just.. wow'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan of Churchill then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'only a real English bulldog could hate on Gandhi. That alone makes Churchill the man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never said they were perfect'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh I don't know Churchill as well as I should, but it seems to me he was far less an ethical mess than JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however my "wow" was about JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if that's an example of power not corrupting...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'JFK stood up to the Russians, cut taxes, and pushed for civil rights. Sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I just don't know what to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously you guys need to read for content'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't say I don't like JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or that he was a lousy President'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or did nothing good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm just saying I don't care if he messed around on Jackie'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he was NOT an example of a politician who was uncorrupted by the power of his office'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if he abused his office though I'd like to hear of that. Pushing around political enemies and what not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah I don't know as much about JFK as I should perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were examples of leaders trying to do their best for the country/people rather than for their own aims, whether they were 'corrupted' by office, or whether they were ethically pure is a different argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah.. so it doesn't matter what the politician does wrong so long as what they do right overshadows the wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd all rather they didn't, but at least doing the right thing mitigates it some'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in outcome if not in judgement'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then I guess Obama has nothing to worry about'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you figure that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh... that's right.. you don't like Obama :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dodgy administration doing a pretty rubbish job? What's to redeem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's also fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah now your opinion = fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'must be awesome to be you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Using the Jeremy Clarkson law, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'he'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you disagree, then disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'disprove what? That you think your opinions = facts?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop trolling, disprove or recant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'tigernuts are you a "prepper"? No offense meant, just curious'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't remember you proving anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point being a prepper in the UK, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all I remember is you making lofty claims about JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently JFK did ok, so says you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere to go/hide, no money to buy anything with'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Obama.. well not so ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK refused to go to war with Cuba, and was about to supplant the Federal Reserve as the national currency'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is odd... other people seem to think Obama is a leader who is trying to do his best for the country/people rather than for his own aims'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'isn't that exactly what you said is important?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but those people are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you are right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't like Obama, but I think you're right Onslaught he has his vision of what a better country would be and he's really trying to take us there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you really don't see the hypocrisy here, do you Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but...same could be said of Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. you're not comparing Obama to Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'no...I'm saying that whether a leader wants the best for their country or not shouldn't be the only comparison. If it was, both Obama and Hitler would be great leaders'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama is not a good leader because he is blinded by his vision... Leadership isn't about telling people what to do... it's about brining them together to get it done.  Obama has not been able to do that.  this country is more divided than any time in recent history, and that makes him a failed leader'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'shouldn't be the only criteria*'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama presides over an administration that has shipped guns to mexican drugs cartels, has continued and expanded foreign (illegal) military intervention, has handed over military decision making over to the UN,has allowed the IRS to victimise his political opponents, has overseen the illegal wiretapping of every american, has seen the beginnnings of a roll out of a homeland army in breach of the constitution, has saught to use the deaths of children for his political agenda to ban guns while murdering 100s of children overseas'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Tiger JFK did a great job with the Bay of Pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but hey let's not let facts get in the way of your opinions'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyre all puppets'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and anyway i thought Obama actually set up the Newtown shooting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he failed to close Guantanemo as promised, he failed to not raise taxes, as promised, as he couldn't bring in sociali healthcare, he instead had a petulant sulk and brought in a bill that will ruin what healthcare currently exists, he has borrowed more money that all previous presidents in american history added together, USA no longer makes anything, you didn't build that someone else made that happen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh please, he ordered Guantanemo closed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Republicans prevented him from doing so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush was a joke, but compared to Bush, Obama isn't even funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you people are seriously fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pshaw, republicsns stopped him, right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop making bullshit excuses'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually they did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point blank'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and then had the gall to blame it on him, just as you are doing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'republicans took the money allocated to close gitmo out of the budget, so yes they did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'in a sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's impossible to tell if you actually believe Obama didn't try to close it or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama lacked the leadership skills neccessary to see guantanemo closed - he could have made it happen, but not by "ordering" it closed... he failed to lead'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught laughs at Vonliege mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he just instructs his defence chief to reallocate money frmo the defence budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh it was all because Obama couldn't lead Republicans'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they refuse to do it, he sacks people until it does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'in the Legend goal, I think the 4th apple should be in a different place. How about you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not naive or ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plain stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'article detailing exactly what happened with the gitmo funds. But note democrats also voted for this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bullshit, tipro, they could have shifted funds from within department'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'some* democrats'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'perhaps, but then cut what other program?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and unfund what other program? Would that even be legal? Or would it be the same as his "shift" to not deporting the dreamers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the bill is significant against the pentagon budget?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe Obama could just have a bunch of Secret Service agents close Gitmo and move all the prisoners into the Senate with all of our current Senators. Hand the prisoners some weapons and lock the doors for a week'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ship em back to where they were collected from, close and dismantle the jail, return the land to Cuba. Job done'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile JFK invaded Cuba, nearly blew all of us up with the Cuban Missile Crisis, heightened tensions in Vietnam to the point where Johnson ended up having to send troops in later on, used the CIA and IRS against political enemies, fucked around on his wife, etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he did all of that for the good of the People'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so Tiger thinks he's ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'until th US stop being consumerist pigs theyre screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Whataburger.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can't move after all the shit being shoveled around in here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is probobly what Obama is saying right now... "can't move for all the shit I'm taking"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so he blames the "shit" on all his failings.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'christmas fights over crap at the mall says it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'something like that sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe it's cause he can't lead Republicans into not being dicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China produces the most greenhouse gases per year, by far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Welcome to revisionist hisory, with your host, Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Nice try Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont blame the republicans, just the neocons....they are the ones messing up the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I've decided if your opinions can = facts, mine do too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'What irritates me most about President Obama (and you've all heard me pop off on politicians in general) is that he just absolutly will not accept responsibility for anything - everything is someone elses fault... well when your the leader of an entire nation... you'd dang well better have the skills to cut through all that crap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the neocons and the religious fanatics, true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're right there Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Bay of Pigs incident was signed off by Eisenhower in 1960'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah all it takes is skills and you can just "cut through all that crap"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why didn't any of them thing of that before?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VietNam likewise started by the French under Eisenhower, JFK signed off on limited military intervention, LBJ increased to the magnitude for which it was famous'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reagan and clinton had the skill'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'damn three branches of gov'ment and we don't need any of em, just one guy who can "cut through all that crap"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shit man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it all makes sense now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're Joe Biden in disguise'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admit it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Clinton... yeah the whole impeachment thing musta been an example of how he cuts through the crap so well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'keep trying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's amusing he's got the nickname "Uncle Joe". There was another political leader who once had that title'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'youre all on a cia watch list for discussing this material'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'He, who thinks your best defence against home invaders is an unloaded shotgun'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite the media smoke/scandle/shit... both Clinton and Reagan accomplished and made progress suring their presidencies... they were leaders....  Obama has been nothing but point and demand, and then pitch fits when he doesn't get his way'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone is on a cia watchlist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the subscribers to this channel get extra attention'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Tiger goes for the Communist parallel'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'where did the guy who kept bringing up Hitler go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'obamacare isnt progress?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger is just joking'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you consider going the wrong direction is "progress"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'going any directing is progress so long as you keep going that way'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obamacare was a "vision"  good or bad doesn't really matter at this point..  it has become bloated and convoluted beyond comprehension... I can't even make sense out of the summary (114 pages), much less the whole thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'why is it going the wrong direction?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you'd have to read it to try and make sense of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I double obama has even read it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh-huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you would know'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the IRS's current record of going after poltiical opponents, you want to trust them with your medical records? (for 1) and for 2, obamacare serves to give pharmaceutical companies and insurance providers higher returns, it will cost employers and the working masses a fortune and offer them no better care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh wait, you wouldn't knpow'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would futher suggest that there are maybe less than 100 people in government that have actually read it front to back'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well darn :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're really lucky, ...some.... poor people might get more access to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well you would know!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh wait.. no you wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I lose everything under obamacare, but that's just a single example'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is it you keep talking about stuff you know absolutely nothing about.. and yet you keep sounding like you do??'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I like helping people.  I like that my sister will have insurance.  seems fine to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have socialised healthcare here, we already know how shit it is, you're all fucking mad if you think this ia good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and there's Tiger, assuming everything thinks the way he does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'again'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'too bad there's no money to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're basically taking the worst possible aspects of the private insurance model, and teaming it up with the worst parts of socialised healthcare and slapping them together. What could possibly go wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'youll be paying for hospital beds of people who have been maimed in infratructure collapse'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that isn't true at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geez Tiger I thought your opinions = facts :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come back in a year's time and tell me how much your premiums went down by'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'like exactly 1 year? should I set an alarm on my phone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I am biased since I have family members that will be helped.  socialized insurance is better than no '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Haladin I'm sorry to say, but Tiger's opinions = fact, he told me so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I do wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plus he can apparently see into the future'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just reading what the providers are saying is going to happen to insurance premiums'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they know?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've already been notified that my healthcare will be terminated in July'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'luckily you can sign up for Obamacare, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently nobody has had their hours cut to below 30hrs a week, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at 870% more than I am paying now.. yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone's premiums are going down'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '870%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well what do you pay now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm may be an issolated incident, but there are a lot of veterans in the same boat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no vonliege, your premiums are going down, onslaught implied i was lying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did I?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '870% increase is a premium decrease, conspiracy theoriest'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought I said exactly what you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is that lying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not been decided yet, so there is hope, but it is a very real possiblity that active duty military will have to buy insurance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you're admitting to lying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well make up your mind... is it 870% of what you pay now or isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and what do you pay now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and who provided this information anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, provide sources for your health insurance costs. the bill isn't a credible source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my premium will go up to $4,999 anual if I take the cheapest option... ATM, I pay $570 anual '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, Tiger he just said his bill didn't go up yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so how can he have a bill?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called sarcasm, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My situation will change in July... though I have not yet been advised what, exactly, I will be elidgable for'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry I figured you were telling the future again'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you know, like you did before'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're an army vet, you're eligible to be put on a terrorist list, and have your guns arbitrarily confiscated under trumped up charges of mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'try and get brain surgery coverage'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay so $5000 annually'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'roughly... best guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or $416 a month or so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'works out to baout that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that won't be very easy I'm sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'll be a chunk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I've seen worse though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just print and borrow more money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you've been paying... $50 a month?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '$570 annual - one chunk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, but again I'm figuring this monthly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'most people pay monthly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '$50 is close enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's really good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It was really expensive'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I were you, I'd be pissed off about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '$50 is really expensive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I paid handsomely for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he went to war on behalf of you guys, you bet he paid handsomely for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well as far as I'm concerned he should get free healthcare for life'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn straight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got free while I was on active duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and as far as $50 a month'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way vets are being treated is criminal'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's good stuff for health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '570 is close to free'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '570 is close to free, 5000 isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in fact one of the reasons everyone else has such high premiums is because we're subsidizing people like our vets'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if you're retired, or disabled'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't send them to fucking war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't vote for the guy who did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you didn't vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my insurce subsidies and retirement comes directly out of the defense budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone who votes voted for the guy who did?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they voted for a main political party, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't strike me as a third-party voter with your apathy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'are you utilizing more of that "I know everything, my name is Tigernuts" wisdom again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'where does that money get borrowed from?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so anyway.. yeah I didn't vote for the guy who sent Vonliege to war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but it doesn't really matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just wondering'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not asking who you voted for, but both parties have been warmongers for the last 12 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oooh, so we had 2 presidents at a time then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's odd.. I don't remember that.. or think it was possible'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'went to war for the bilderberg group'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the good news is that Micheal is on a campaign to improve the situation of military families'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're just an unending well of genius there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but anyway as I keep saying it matters not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to have to troll a fair bit harder than that, onslaught, it doesn't even make any sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well you're right it doesn't... because you have no fucking clue who I voted for'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and no matter how to try to make it sound like everyone is at fault for everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's bullshit too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point voting right? power corrupts, but it's all good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't change it, just go along to get along'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's just silly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'characterising your input tonight is silly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just because both sides are corrupt doesn't mean one isn't LESS corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you just... well you just don't listen though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Vonliege is being subsidized and it appears that may end'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so that millions more people can also get health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately both sides are corrupt as each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the elite want to depopulate the earth by 4.5 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so more of us wll be subsidizing each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not that it's "ending"... funding is being withdrawn, so there won't be any money to use'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's gonna such for some, but be great for others'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone will be subsiding the profit margins of insurance providers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hm.. well Vonliege were you in WWII?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah... no'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then you know how much life sucks... some jackass sent you to a bullshit war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and unfortunately life is going to suck again if you end up paying $400+ a month for health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when you've BEEN paying so little'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way - I singed up for it... but there were conditions.  I made a contract with the US government over a quarter century ago.  Now that I've paid my part of the contract, they've changed the contract.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but life will suck a little less for other people, some of them haven't had insurance at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could always migrate to the UK, get third rate care, live in poverty then die of a flesh-eating bacteria in hostpiral'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so that's kind of nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah that's life. The guys in power fuck over the guys not in power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think that sucks, VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we already covered that though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger thinks you can come up with enough people who aren't corrupted by power to actually change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you can get together with him and... change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but then you said you refuse to do that cause you get to be lazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so now I dunno man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it won't be me... but I would think someone would have done the risk analysis on pissing off a bunch of combat vets - all the HLS attention vets get isn't for no reason, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'looks like we're all screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HLS?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'home land securtiy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ngos'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh VL.. please don't tell me you're making those kinds of implications'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean that's just shitty'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HLS are making those kinds of implications'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't care HOW many wars you fougfht'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL doesn't have to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said, it won't be me... I'm too stable...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yeah, won't be you, but you couldn't blame those who aren't as stable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'come on'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a lot of unhinged vets out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of just pissed off ones, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and desperate in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh - I'd blame them... There's no justification for murder or assasination, or even anarchy... but I'm just saying, I would understand how it came to be'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... you guys are actually excusing terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so long as they're not muslims I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's just fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is combat vets being angry about being screwed over terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hahaha yeah.. you blame them, but you can understand them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no excuses going on here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... like when the dog eats the cat... I whoop the dog, but I know why it ate the cat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Tiger is playing dumb'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in there shoes, i'd be picketing, striking, and taking part in civil disobedience as would be my right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which isn't a huge stretch, but still not working'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right right.. all those "unstable" "combat vets" that "HLS is watching" who are just gonna go picket and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'i think the patriot act made that all illegal'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'moron'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think I'm a moron :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i forgot, you're an obama supporter, someone dissenting of the government is a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean really'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cap fits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's kinda tricky for vets to "picket" or "protest".  one - it's not in our nature (we've been following orders for along time), and two - It's always a media frenzy (Crack pot war vets on the rampage)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why such a protest holds weight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's analogous to police striking in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok VL we know what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger is trying to be clever'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'a person that will give up liberty for safety deserves neither'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering it was the bushy boys who did the patriot act, I would think that they are the facists.....obama is fresh air, like clinton was.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the proportion of "unstable" vets to the rest is way smaller than HLS would make out'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in any case it's still pretty fucked up you guys are talking like this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if they are unstable, how about helping them rather than shooting/victimising them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, like a civilised country would'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we could give them free healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but that'd be socialist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could take away their free healthcare, but that'd be obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they could be cops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so fuck it, charge them $10000 a year to make up for the subsidized healthcare we been giving them for so many years'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would be seriously distraught if a vet were to commit some serious act of viloence in protest of his situation - It would have negative ramifications across the entire width of vets and servicemen and women'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently some of them think inferring domestic terrorism is ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so fuck them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no idea what domestic terrorism is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't feel sorry for them anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try living in England/Ireland int he 1980s'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you just keep knowing everything for us'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that way we won't have to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaks volumes for your education system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army vet going schizo and shooting people is a shame, and a crime, it is not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you disagree, i would suggest you go read the definition of terrorism in a dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about opression or fascism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'depenends on their motives and their objectives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, It could be.. if his actions were politically motivated - if he's just pissed off, then it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... Vonliege and I agree again :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'discussing the second amendment is considered a terrorist activity today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if, but if they go schizo because they're broke, ill, and can't handle it, that's not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well sirhan sirhan , if not hypnotized, was motivated by us politics toward palestine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but he was a terrorist right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw that guy was an inside plot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was set up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, he was set up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'funny thing is Tiger probably believes that :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress believed it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and tsarnaevs family link to cia... no setup right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"terrorism" is one of the words that is being bent and morphed to mean differetn things... The word invokes a different meaning that what it reall is... sort of like the word "racist" as opposed to "biggot"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tsarnaevs are what happens when you piss around with provocateurs'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as the london 7/7 bombers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'regardless its still used as a reason to be anally searched'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats like having their anuses probed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just getting more and more mature around here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'everyone gets probed now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like your mom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'not a joke'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like being probed, you're a homophobe'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Vonliege about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'your mom = mature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now that was funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'guilty until proven innocent'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your mom's odour is mature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mm, love brandy fruit cakes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'meals in a jar....mix em up in the jar, and store for 5-7 years, use them as you need.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lot of news chatter about action on off-shore tax havens and their use by large companies like Apple, Google'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and RizCorp'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay your taxes!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(i have to :-( )'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we buy bread in a can with our profits....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and bacon in a can....gotta have the bacon in a can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm quite surprised your admin hasn't suggested compulsory tax-at-source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which we have here)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canned meals in a jar are good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You lick your lips and smile.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'bah, when did animal cracker become imm only'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never had canned lion.....but canned dried venison is good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and hamburger rocks....good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so abelinc, it is your contention that any physical stimlation can cause a guy a lasting erection, even if its from an ugly chick, or a gay guys mouth or so on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shoot. that as for curse sorry'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how long have the british been canning breads and cakes ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the war with the romans ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ww2'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta be longer than that....they have canned breads on ships in the 1800s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been popularised since ww2 and rationing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most stuff like that has been around since before time in memorial'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'romans even made a popular club drink to deliberately give themselves lead-poisoning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just find it interesting how the govt says canned breads and cakes are dangerous for you, but preppers have been making it for decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they say it's dangerous? given that they turn a blind eye to corps that poison food/environment'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not getting a flushot is bad too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandma has been making easter bread in coffee cans ever since she was a kid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the actual reason given for their claims?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'botulism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because of botulism.  Other considerations include(d) what the container was made of (the very first canned foods were stored in lead containers), how much salt and other stuff was in the food (canned foods tend to have a lot of salt), and what kind of operational quality is involved (Cannery Row, anyone?)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently they feel that only USDA certified facilities are capable of canning stuff safely......even though almost all the food poisoning cases originate from USDA certified factories.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'botulin is harder to grow than yersinia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can poison yourself by licking toilet bowels too, should we ban those too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no you cant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'toilet bowls are the cleanest surface in the average house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cleaner than kitchen sinks?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they aren't...they just aren't the dirtiest'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot cleaner than kitchen sinks, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is calcium stearate safe to eat?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k thx'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that should've been "k thx...brb"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'edibility does not define taste, however, so just because you CAN eat it doesn't mean you will be able to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh just asking cause my kitchens powdered in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like abelinc's drivebye putdowns'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were one of those trendy's, i'd hit the like button'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i liked driving by abelincs house while those ballons were outside'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since i'm not trendy and don't do mind-rotting crap like facebook, he'll have to settle for a letter that starts "Dear Sir, My daughter tells me..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not exactly a drive-by in his case.  He monitors everything like he's got a government job.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why's your mom writing me a letter?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps she's a fan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'borax is a good cleaner, and vinegar.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I actually kinda picture him like that creepy crazy guy from The Pretender, the one who is able to type 120wpm on two separate computers at the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i second that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'John WAyne on liberalism....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvSE6tVHzQ'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he talked about it in 1975'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you had $20 and 20 people in a room.....and gave each one $1....in a certain amount of time one of them in the room would have all $20...That is human nature, and you can try to legislate human nature, but you will always fail.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would the others have?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self pity.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'woot self pity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc waits for the Archie Bunker talks about democrats youtube post
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude waits for the arrival of the six fingered man
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn, i have eight, i'll clear off thenm'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, there would be at least two people who had all 20.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but how many had all the beanie babies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '20 is far too small of a sample size to allow for an accurate extrapolation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think it's about the $20, or $2,000,000,000, or 20 people, or 20 million people... it's just a comentary'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fire-bombed icecream cart in downtown detroit doesn't count'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michchan'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actone will evaporate in a couple hours if you just set the pan outside.... I can't believe you're turning to a bunch of mud-playing dorks to solve this for you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He-man!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'panthor'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Skeletor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'his sister'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Man-at-arms!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'triklops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who was the old lady?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'evil lynn. king hiss'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'old lady, was the sorceress of castle grey skull'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and teelas mother'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn, evil lynn was pretty hot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'When Obamacare passed, it was considered irrational that conservatives worried that death panels would favor liberals treatment over them in the inevitable rashoning process. But, now with the IRS scandal and all, is that still an irrational fear seeing the IRS is running key parts of Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seperate, but relevent issues'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'what happened with the irs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Will Smith says, "Somehow, 'I told you so' just doesn't cut it."'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as part of their auditing process targetting teaparty/conservative groups, they collected lots of healthcare and taxes-unrelated info.  Not only of them, but of individuals related to them and future members.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, if you were friends of a tea partier, were family to them, or even if their message simply resonated with you but you didn't get past the Like them on Facebook stage, the IRS potentially has data on you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in terms of trust... I don't think many people would ever have said "I trust the IRS."  Now, with this incident, Most folks will simply say "I don't trust the IRS".  It will be a long long time before the IRS, and organization that is vilifiesd by it's very nature regains any amount of credibility.  But, if we want any form of government, we need to have revenue, and that means we need some form of an IRS.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well here in canada 3. something billion dollars went missing for the "terrorism" budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'dont trust government period'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the government doesnt fear the people anymore and anyone who rebels what they say is labeled a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would couch that by saying "be sceptical of government"....  To say you don't trust a government would indicate that you have given up on it entirely'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and that would be a correct assumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they seem to forget we dont work for them they work for us'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where are you going to move too?  Canada is far from the worst place to be'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im doing to north korea lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only place the drones can't reach yet is Eden, but they no doubt have something far better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NK... if I didn't have my BS meter pegged, I'd ask if you were serious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/l/s-l-linnea/chasing-eden.htm'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'someone has to stand up to the US and say no fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'drones are tools for bitch armys'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get really pissed when I start thinking about the BS being shoveled out of washington - from BOTH sides... but I really have no better place to go.  I guess I just watch for the "awakening"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd say "revelution", but that's so cliche'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'didnt you know revolution is terrorism '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my main concern is why is the dhs stock piling ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'riot control'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they are taking your bullets since they cant get your guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting point on your "fear" and "Terrorism" comment... Government DOES fear the people - but the word "terrorism" has been twisted to make the people fear other people more and turn to the govenment to save them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well second amendment doesn't guarantee access to ammo :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol abel'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to this day, German people will rat out their neighbor like it's a God mandated duty...  past German governments used that to great effect'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the german people are great'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taken as a whole - I'd go along with that... but man have they got some hangups'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'kinda wish that hitler feller didnt go off the deep end tho'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly don't want to open that can... the channel tends to devolve pretty quick'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'their worst-case scenario is that several smallish events all happen at the same time, slinging the public moreorless en masse over the cliff into outright warfare.  By isolating each event, they can better control the outcome (even if for truly compassionate reasons rather than dark conspiracy ones).'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I sort of lost you there, hans... can you define some of the pronouns?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they/their = the government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. I can see that... they really don't want a coalescing flash point that 'kicks it all off"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id like to see that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't want the people getting a "wakeup call", if you will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'rite on the money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one thing i was reading was how the nazis used floride to keep the jews more doscile'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the administration is holding its own pretty well even with three hot issues beating at their door... they just keep the door closed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'what are these issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'say nothing - deny everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the three issues are "IRS Scandal", "Bengahzi", and "AP Phone Records"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all hitting pretty hard, but not having any real effect.  I suspect (I, as in just me) that the IRS will be thrown under the bus as a sacrificial lamb... to sate the wolves nipping at their heels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ive seen stuff about the ap phone thing didnt really look into it all that much tho i am going to have to do a search on the other 2 head some stuff about bengahzi but havent looked into iit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's plenty out there from all perspectives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'whats the break down of the ap phone thing and bengahzi'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't just go to Fox or MSNBC.com'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even that.  Right now the field has more than just 2-3 groups battling for supremacy.  You've got the political factions (D/R/I, conservatives vs liberals vs moderates), and you've got the criminals (gangs, cartels, petties, terrorists).  The rest of the public is mostly just spectating now, and it's our moderation that keeps everyone else in check.  If the public goes all-in with the criminals, the government's in a deep shithole it might not be able to get out of without diving into Third World stuff.  If the public goes all-in with government, though, we'll have a far more coherent Star Trek- or Nazi-like existence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bengahzi was where the US ambasador to Libya (and three others) were killed by terrorists - The AP Phone was 'gathering' phone records from some 20 AP reporters to try and figure out who the source of their information was on various stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'or just dont be a d*ck'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I prefer Richard, anyway =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'that ap thing cant be good '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the only reliable news i seem to come by and actually feel like its truthful is from the RT'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and i use truthful losely'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not so sure it's really 'bad'... Governments and law enforcement have to be able to go after 'bad' people, or in this case, probobly 'good' people that are putting national security at risk... The big thing there is that the 'freedom of the press' is somewhat of a sacred cow... sort of like no punching babies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's the RT?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russan news'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and they actually seem legit with what they come out with'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more precisly... english speaking, news about america... from Russia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll say whatever you want for the right price'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol any new agency will'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'news'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't let 'em suck you in too far... everything they report has a pro-russian slant... look at their report on the recent UN resolutions against Syria, if you need an example.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard tell they're selling leftover printers from the Cold War era because the Kremlin can't pay them anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The only thing that recommends them is that they don't get inbetween right and left as far as american politics go... it's more of a resifual east vs west angle'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and if they dont take the dictators line they die'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and they dont really need to cover up any dirty little secrets '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hey now dictators arent all that bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. in fact, it's in their interest to stir the pot... both the left AND right ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'look at pussy riot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my opionion on it all is to much talk not enough action'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the US needs another jfk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just dont use banks or shop at walmart)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'its easy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my grandparents never used a bank i guess it rubbed off on me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i like having the cash where i can see it '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'JFK wouldn't last too long in todays socio-political arena.  history is showing that he wasn't all that shiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if there's one thing that society has gotten very very good at, it's destroying a hero quickly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'like who?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jfk was the last real people elected president'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jfk tried to take down the federal reserve didnt he?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or planned on trying it back then he seen what the problem was before it happened'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'JFK wasn't a real-people president.  Joe Sr. was a huge behind-the-scenes force getting everything done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he tried to do alot of things... most that I wouldn't agree with... but he did have leadership capability - he had a way for coaxing people to meet his agenda - as opposed to "you'll do it because I'm the PRESIDENT and I sayso!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he would've bombed very, very hard if it wasn't for his father making it rain.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if i was president id be more like do it ordie'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it wasn't rain... it was milk and honey'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege -)
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'theres always good conversation on here and the people are brilliant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my beliefs are pretty insane but theyre my rights as a person to have them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on your location - I guess canada is pretty safe... but there is a fair amount of stiffling there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id feel safe in a 3rd world slum'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly better if you felt paranoid or at least wary... feeling safe'll get you killed pretty quick in some parts fo the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'canada is pretty sweet tho except for the moron in charge rite now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the risk of cracking the religion can wide open... Preach from the Book of Romans will get you deported pretty quick'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and don't even think of transporting a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion shouldnt even be on the level that it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what part of Canada?  I grew up just south of Manitoba... when we went to the "big city", it was winnipeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let's talk about bagchecking at airports.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im in nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'canadas 3rd world as we like to call it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, it's first world by virtue of NATO.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'not in nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but first, second and third world definitions are a bit antiquated'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is NS part of Canada?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'does nova scotia have running water?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have broadband.  That clearly makes them first-world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'nato calculates world orders by number of walmarts'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's the UN... NATO uses the "us and them" metric'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet their poor also have fancy, subscription-based TVs, hot name-brand clothing, and pimped-out cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no sh**?  I'm moving... eh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shrug, they have that in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always did like Molen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'how many mcdonalds per square km?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'molsen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohhhh yeahhhh!! Canada has the best hockey players! Let the taunting begin!
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'only one where im living'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'yeah you need 400 to be considered 2nd world+'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and thats roughly  a 25 50 km radius'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i avoid mcdicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"second world" refers to the cold war Soviet block and their allies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'lol does it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they should just start dropping bombs last country standing gets it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hence my comment about the whole system of first, second and third world being antiquated... the only one that sticks is "thrid world", and that's only the underdeveloped, too-poor-to-matter aspect, not the neutral, not getting involved aspect.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'theirs a few places like that everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, under the definitions during the cold war, sweden and switzerland are "thrid world"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while some may debate it, I would propose that they are NOT backwards or primitive countires'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they are neutral'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least on the outside'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... some of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'their rulers are as short as North Korea's.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'their day will come'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but not as wide'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll eat shit as much as everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'when it comes down to it youll eat shit or die'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're applying the wrong definition of ruler, Von'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i can see 50 percent of the population dieing off due to starvation if something apocolypseish happened'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'snoty bitchy house wives first'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'north korea?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'way more than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'spoiled rich shitheads second'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll probably come down to the 13 families that survived the last apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'china would take north korea'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'between direct starvation, and the implications of what else would be going on during the starvation... it would be ALOT more'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id sit myself out for the first 6 months and let the dumbasses thin out the herd a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have the option.  will be hard to hide.  especially if you are prepared'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you go hermit, you'll just be overrun.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege nod
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a roving swarm of starving people will be just like army ants'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't expect them to sit in the cities and starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'get in with the groups early, share everything, and pray to whatever god you'll shit your pants for that a bigger group doesn't find you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea thats kind of true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, and shoot to kill.  Your chance of discovery goes way up if you let a runner go.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well ya'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im not all that dumb'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'everyone except billionaires would be slaves long before that point'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id kill anything within killing range'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'all rich would buy their own armies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'with what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'money wouldnt have any value'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'before everything colapsed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you may even want to maintain a mobile existence, since those you have to deal with probably left from somewhere else (which means someone else might come looking for them).'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they control money so they would know when exactly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the common person would be screwed no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'no chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'thats what the bilderberg group does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i know how to hunt and how to live off the land'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they decide where weapons go'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'so its already over'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyd find you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and take your fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they cant even find bigfoot lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they arent going to find shit in the middle of nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well maybe bear shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll kill all the bears'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and sell their fur carpets at walmart for $2'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'if they havent already'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well its been nice talking but i need sleep gotta wake up and work in the am for a multi billion dollar company for chump change'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'fuck i could sell crack and make more in a day then i could in a month where im working lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'you aswell hashtag'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"yes, your honor.  I shot Bob.  I thought about it, then I pointed the gun at his head and killed him.  I'm relly sorry I did it......   Can I go now?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the folks at the IRS don't understand why this whole issue is still being talked about.  They said "we're sorry"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Paul Ryan is so obnoxious'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'll go along with that... he thinks he's pretty, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well he IS pretty'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's pretty smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and he IS pretty smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he's an ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of these things probably relate to each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't imagine I'd like to have him over for a cook out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm thinking that poor ex-IRS schmuck is going to slit his wrists later'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there'd be alot of folks that would just as soon he did it now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would provide alot of opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the stupid thing is if anything ever gave plenty of motivation to reform the IRS and the tax code, this is it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but they won't'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so why should I believe either side actually gives a shit about this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except to use it to score political points'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It has too much of a "life of its own"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am somewhat amused by the phase "they've just taken it an politicized it!"... as if that makes it a non-issue.  EVERYTHING in washington is "politicized"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'both sides'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'far as I'm concerned any "503c" group that puts up an election commercial should lose its tax exempt status'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wether it's hammering on the administration over Benghazi, or filling a stage with the classmates of dead children and pushing gun control... it's just all plitical'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Acorn would be in a world of hurt'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Acorn doesn't exist anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if it did, fine hurt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Moveon.org too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"non-political" my ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the loophole is that they (both sides) can be "political", as long as they meet a certain threshhold for "community and social" benefit.  I don't think anyone expects them to be "non-political"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hmmmmm....  CNN reporting video of Toronto mayor smoking crack cocaine'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what is your newest top 10 movie? 2007 here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chairman Camp's question to an defrocked IRS Commisioner: "So you didn't notify your superiors?"  The response: "I don't know why I should notify the.. the... superiors.  It was in the news"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Gortons Seafood is owned by a japanese conglomerate......'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://info.publicintelligence.net/DoD-CivilianLawEnforcement.pdf&chrome=true'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the DHS is going after Bitcoin'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the start of stricter capital controls?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, first ryan reynolds screwed up The Green Lantern, but now he is going to screw up The Highlander, in the reboot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't reboot the Highlander'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just over $102 billion of the computer giants nearly $145 billion in cash is held overseas, according to the companys most recent quarterly report. Apple wants to avoid paying what Cook said would be a 35 percent tax rate if that money was repatriated to the United States.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... ban government purchases of their stuff :-p'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or lower the corporate tax to 25% which would be inline with other major economies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corporate tax revenue in the US is much lower compared to other big countries, even though we have a much higher tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our corp tax is 20%, they still won't pay tax'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apple is wants to build a factory in Texas to produce the ipod, as well a new design and engineering center for its products.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt you'll dole out tax incentives for that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course, that is what you need to do to diversify your economic base, and produce lots of new jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided it does create lots of new jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and provided those jobs value outweigh the loss of revenue'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, wanna help me up my resume? '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What loss of revenue?  Texas has no income tax, and it has a small franchise tax on businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'texas has cb royalty tax doesnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a. not cb. freaking android spellchecker'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only on oil and gas, and mineral products.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local counties will most likely offer prop tax abatements for a few years though to get the research center in their county, but chances are it will be built around Austin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Round Rock Texas, a surburb of Austin is the Texas version of Redmond Washington.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A New York City Powerball winner can expect to pay about $197.1 million  or more than half of a $376.9 million lump sum payment  in federal, state and city taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the keep people poor tax.....if you give a family member or a stranger more than $14,000 in a year, you owe 35% gift tax to the feds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, what if you loan it to them instead as anon recourse loan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would have to be a real loan, with an attorney drawing up the papers, legal fees, etc, and with a normal interest rate....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not according to the irs's complex tax issues phone line for personal tax .'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they recognize both recourse and non recourse loans/debts'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is why rich people use companies to buy stuff for their kids....just have your company own the car, or house and 'rent' it to your kids.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, i want a company, but the filing costs are steep'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, find me a cheap way to incorporate in nevada as a non resident... and ill incorporate in nevada as a non resident'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then get a phone, TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shopping for a friend, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K... sort of limits your options'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take her through it tomorrow, w8 is out of the question, so it'll be a bit more expensive, but heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold with all this new metro bollocks, especially if your laptop is to be a work horse, and not just some wanky trendy thing for gawping at facebook like a zombie with'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger i have some extra phones. what provider'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will she really care about 7/8'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, she doesn't do change'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so she's on 7 now... makes sense then'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on vista now, but has a 7 laptop already'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also has legacy hardware/software to run'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jeez, slow news day, i guess they're all scandalled out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vCjssK-i4Mg'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's what I comment on a bit ago:  [17 May 13:28:10] (Debate) Vonliege: 'Chairman Camp's question to an defrocked IRS Commisioner: "So you didn't notify your superiors?"  The response: "I don't know why I should notify the.. the... superiors.  It was in the news"''
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you need to close the IRS'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sack everyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they, or something like them is neccessary'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to have revenue to make the country go... it's just a matter of scope and scale'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone would not-have-a-replacement'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ever considered paying-at-source?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the smart rifles start shipping this week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's smart about them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a network tracking scope, a laser, a precision-tracking app (on an ipad mini), and a trigger lock that only lets you pull when certainty of impact is great.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for $22,500, though, I'm rather disappointed they don't come with some of those nifty smart bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'essentially, the smart rifle lets you just point in the general direction of the target to achieve a shot accuracy better than most cops have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medievia had a command clear... double period'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the IRS is monitoring social media for tax frauds now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are coming for you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hide'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so anyone who was counting on the Benghazi thing to actually damage the President need a box of kleenex now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'still havent read up on it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Republicans got so excited about it they actually altered emails from the White House before leaking them to the media'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for obama to come to everyone's house to confiscate the guns!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't worry, he will Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, another kook :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I've been told as much for 5 years now'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, good!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so it must be true'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, as long as the kooks say it is true, it must be!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think the problem is the UN is coming for our guns too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Obama wants them'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so they're kinda arguing about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, obama wants to store them at Fort Knox.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since the gold was sold years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he's going to melt them all down'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and make handcuffs for the FEMA camps'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'atleast you know where 2.3 billion dollars went to kinda stumped the canadian ones since they cant find where it went'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An oil company is drilling for oil within 2 miles of the US Strategic Oil Reserve oil storage fields here in Texas.....That oil company is drinking the govts milkshake!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'speaking of milkshakes... Angelina Jolie broke my heart today'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause she had her boobs removed ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'SHHHH'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'god don't say it out loud'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hahahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'She has new ones though!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'at least I still have Salma Hayek'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i seen that a few days ago lets hope women dont start that '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah yeah.. look you can't replace some of the best natural breasts in Hollywood'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you still have emma watson, you pervert. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'she didnt replace them'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'She had reconstructive surgery to replace her boobs.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'selma hayek hasnt aged at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hm.. Emma Watson... how'd you know I'm such a big fan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'onslaught youll always have the gigi movie'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gigi nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Taking Lives'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, tom cruise was almost iron man :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tom cruise looks nothing like stark though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'praise jesus '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently it was a toss up....not sure how it could have been.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow I hate Tom Cruise... so... much...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably the drug problem.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rdjr signed up for im4, woo'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess he couldnt turn down the $25 million paycheck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the guns are actually for the IRS.  It just looked too weird to have them buying shotguns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, after 12 years, money magazine still wants me back!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's because you're a baller'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think they reall give a rats arse about you, Riz... they do like your 'money' though'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they love me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love is a fickle thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Playdonkey loves me too....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Noegel... I was afraid some wet-back drug lord had made you their bitch... wecome back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no.... just a lot of cases and paperwork these past few days'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm off for two days though yay'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watch your back, obama might shoot you with your own gun.....since he is rationing your ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meh, I have tons saved up from over the years'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what chaps my ass is that I can't even get small pistol primers to make my own bullets'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow really'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'small/large pistol, and large rifle... Zero inventory... ANYWHERE...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all you can get are shotgun and ... sorry... small can't get, large CAN get'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can still buy 5 mm shells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN get large rifle... CAN'T get small rifle'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty esoteric round... not alot of guns feed on 5mm'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost impossible to find .22 bullets around here...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'double edge there... you can get 'em now, but you won't be scavenging them later'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can still get .22  Trouble is, .22 has a shelf life.. after about 3 years, you get about 10% misfire rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after 10 years, that goes up to about 30%'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'new stock only'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do you buy the cheap ones, or good brands ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for some reason, the old stuff last alot longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheap one, of course... a 1,000 round box doesn't last more than a couple months around my house'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wrap the boxes in wax paper, and then melt wax around them, and storage....will last decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say cheap, I mean remington golden, as an example'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I draw the line at eagle'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'federal is cheap and pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'winchester is cheap and pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I havn't tried any of the really cheap china brands'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, I dont buy bullets from china.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the winchester comes from tiawan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'taiwan vs phillippines , wonder when they will go to war'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when their proxy decide they should'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'pinoy pride.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy some jungle on Hawaii and build a concrete cabin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unimproved land with no utilities is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limited egress'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course unimproved land in washington state along the west coast is nice....lots of firewood.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and several egress options'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a concrete cabin in hawaii would go undetected for about 30 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a concrete cabin/bunker can go unseen forever.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surrounded by jungle, and overgrowth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'differential heat signature'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no way to mimic the surounding vegetation and earth'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell that to the old WWII bunkers in alaska....all the coastal cities built them, and then promptly forgot about them....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. that's not true.. you could do it with some moderatly sophisicated hardware'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it might have worked then'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no satallites - no drones - to thermal imaging scopes'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they didnt find some of them until the last couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pain in the ass to find them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military has lost whole countries, doesnt surprise me that they lost a few bunkers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no body was REALLY looking for them except a few hobbyists'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to buy some of them though.....but they are in national parks now :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the end, it was radioshack grade electronics that found the one on the south side of Fort Abercrombie in the kodiaks'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you ever been to fort abercrombie ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'flew in grub on september 12, 2001'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't get out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, too bad....it has some of the best tasting water in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was 'near' Fort Abercrombie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a natural pressured spring'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'flew A LOT of grub around Alaska from Sep 12 to around Sep 20th'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water has been coming out of that spring since forever, you can fill up water jugs there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was the peak of hunting season, you know'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a lot of hunters had been put out in various places, and then all the planes were grounded'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get out those walking boots!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we flew MREs out to them... we gave them the option of a ride back for them, their gun, and any valuable hunting gear (optics and such), but they had to leave their meat, tents and other supplies'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or they could wait it out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in shich case we left food and water.... and a newpaper'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the air sure was clear during the grounding.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we had it all to ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't even any air traffic control on duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I mean clear as clear clear, not clear of traffic :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except military'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no chemtrails messing up the sky'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was nice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I really don't think a million planes would make much of a dent in the air volume in alaska, but I take your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean H2O trails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, chemical I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kooks call em chemtrails, get with your inner artbell!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the vapor trails you see from high flying jets is just compressed water vapor from their passing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like an instant cloud'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I suppose there is some exhaust, too, but it's negligable'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't see that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aliens use em to mask their flying around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was actually a government study into how much sunlight is blocked by vapor trails... I should see if I can find that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably negligible compared to actual clouds'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'clouds cause global cooling?!!?  Stop the presses!  We can save the earth!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear winter!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... google is only returning UK based stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'UK science is false.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bed time'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, more oil and gas drilling taking place in NY near the Penn border!  Bonanza!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tornadoes in maine....right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'live fish do not just fall out of the sky.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I want to be in a car pool that has self driving electric cars. Wonder how long I'll have to wait.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I want them to be autonomous enough that I can just order one up, and it will drive next to me when I need it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm too lazy to drive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'they already have those things - they're called taxis'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Taxis are expensive because they are driven by people. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's one profession that will disappear soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And self driving cars will be expensive because technology.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, they will be cheap because they use electronics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Cheaper to make a person then electronics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Definitely not. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'K. You're welcome to be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, in a car pool, with autonomous cars that are used 24/7, price is not that vital.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'midwives are cheap i bet'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can afford to get a new TV every month if I want, but I can only afford a handful of kids, at most.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr at that point a trolley or train sounds more viable'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Trains can't drive up to my house and pick me up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... this complex conversation about demi-bees, is it like a precursor to the concept of haecity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'red and black, friend of jack, red and yellow, kill a fellow.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder if you could use insects to convert unedible cellulose into edible protein and fat... that would be a nice way to feed the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sometimes, even big organizations like the WHO, have good idead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, termites turn wood cellulose into what it needs for food, so I am sure someday we will figure out how to use their digestive chemicals to break down cellulose into its basic sugars and proteins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cellulosic ethanol and biodiesel would be 10x more efficient compared to corn ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, sure, but by using insects, in this case, I meant just growing insects and eating them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Insects seem to be really high in fat and protein, just what we need.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roasted grasshoppers are tasty, and provide a lot of protein'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to try that some day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll eat anything that had a parent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go to an asian market sometime'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or even better, go to morocco....they will cook the grasshoppers in front of you at the city markets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Insects would probably also work better for small farming, or even personal use. It's harder to grow your own cow than to grow some insects.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why most africans prefer goat, south americans also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Goats don't work in sweden though, it's too cold for them :('
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are goats that can survive the swedish winter :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have them in patagonia argentina.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, but they are uncommon here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I could probably grow insects on my balcony, but definitely not a goat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I guess. But slaughtering rabbits is more complicated.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes 30 seconds to skin a rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can watch videos on youtube :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guinea pigs would work too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have some research to do :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or rats'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rabbits are too lean, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fancy rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have plenty of wild rats, but I don't think I want to eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They eat garbage, so they are probably not that healthy to eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, breed them yourself....that is why you need fancy rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer eating animals that eat a natural (for them) diet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the white lab rats are inbred, and probably not good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll probably stick with growing vegetables on my balcony... nobody reports you to the police if you forget to water them, but with animals there are more regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hard to grow a complete protein on your balcony though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with plants that is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you can grow soybeans on your balcony :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't eat legumes, they are not a natural food for humans.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can't feed myself off my balcony anyways... it's just a spice in life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should put a moose on your balcony.....that would be fun...:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My best bet to feed myself in a self-sustaining way would probably be to become a hunter. We have load of boar, moose, deer and other stuff in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get one of those hunting crossbows'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can't hunt with a crossbow here, it's illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because you used to be Vikings ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because some politician had too much time, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should shoot him with the crossbow.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you defend yourself from a charging boar?  Throw a politician at it, and hope it eats him ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'becuase a conventional PC would CHOKE under the proccessing demands... in AARD, you mind fills in so many details that just couldn't be matched by current generatoin of proccessors and video cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FirstBlade Gladacus: 'how did you know i was listening to So?:p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so Angelina Jolie has a double masectamy because she carries a gene for a form a breast cancer... the presence of this gene means she has a 85% chance of getting the cancer... she made a choice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool. genetic masectomies'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'under socialized medicine, do you think that YOU will have the choice?  or will you be REQUIRED to have the double masectamy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von... can we also spay and neuter diabetics and people with glaucoma?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly not in America...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not. we did that sort of thing in the 20s,socialism leads to devaluing people who dont contribute.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... look at the German model for abortion - IF early tests indicate an abnormal pregnancy, you are REQUIRED to have an abortion - or you will be personnaly responsible for all cost and expenses associated with the birth, care and LIFE of the child'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, abnormal meaning what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for many, that's not really much of a choice'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spinal bifida, hydrocephelitus, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'defects'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'any defect that would mean the child would be less than healthy upon birth'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von well traditionally the cost of children was theresponsility of a family, not the public'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not under socialism... the cost of a child is born by society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'defects, like being born blind, or defects like a partially leaking valve in the heart?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is an ENORMOUS over reaching statement... so tone it down a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have the exact criteria... other than the two I named specifically'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down syndrom is another'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. what about adhd?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about acne... dunno... what about red hair... dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about if they are shown to have an incompatible blood type with the mothers'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hum. what happens to catholic germans then'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know Vamp... I don't "dislike" you.  you're not mean, or terribley rude, but you're like the kid in the back seat that is constantly saying "are we there yet" are we there yet".... That, and I have never seen you make a valid contribution to any coversation in any channel... you sire, are a waste of pixels'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, first you promote eugenics, then you fail to answer simple questions.  why the hate bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on your input, I'd have to gues you age at around 5 or 6, except that you type faster than a 6 year old'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about this or that or this... what does it matter?  it's just more of the same that's already been stated'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it does matter. minority rights exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you DO bring up an interesting issue - Eugenics'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the outside, a somewhat sinister word - choosing who breeds and who doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the entire natural world practices it... EXCEPT humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. except MOST humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, humans do too.  we just dont put survival first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but even WE practice a limited version of it... we select who we 'hook up' with... and when we stop discriminating who we 'hook up' with, we end up with crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if you want to evaluate the axiology of breeding, be my guest'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well when you apply morals and values to breeding, you seperate yourself from the rest of nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that makes us human, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what values though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... and please consider this clinically... should anyone be able to breed with anyone at any time and produce any amount of offspring?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wanting a child with strong muscles? blonde hair? big chests?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should a farmer be allowed to farm any crop they want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about means of support?  should someone who is unable to support themselves produce MORE of themselves that they also can not support?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the farmer plants, the farmer takes care of'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'for instance, farming rape near a major city, that's not a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bad analogy, since the farmer then SELLS it, but I took your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont think someone unable to support  themself would attract many mates. so youre using a straw man'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von. anyone can be a farmer if they have seed, land, time, water, and sun'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it a strawman?  look at the birthrates of socially dependent people in America... welfare people have more children.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some will be better farmers than others'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would refere you to the US Census web site for the actual numbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just because someone wont be an octomom, doesnt mean she shouldnt be allowed to try'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'welfare people? '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people on public assistance - people who can't provide for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'havent seen that statistic before. but we give welfare to theelderly too. many who had kids when younger'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. people on public assistance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and who's children may or maynot be making a contribution... the elderly themselves may or may not have contributed... the elderly are null in this issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so basically... your rationale is that children are a burden, and the rich should be forced to bear the burden of child rearing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the elderly are PAST reproductive age anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me break that down - children are a burden, yes.  Obviously... kids need pampers and gerbers and cell phones... the rich should be forced to bear the burden - no... the parents should bear the burden.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a child's basic needs should be provided for by their parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so you dont see children as being a neccesity for society to continue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - obviously.  children are neccesary for society to continue'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so where do we draw the line. between children as aburden, and children as a neccesity'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children are a neccessary burden - duh... but if you can't support one... don't have one'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so then... if you can support several children, must you go do so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you can support two - have two.  if you can support only three don't have four'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it a moral responsiblity to society to raise kids if you are wealthy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restate that... it is a confusing statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't tell what you are asking'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or is there only a tangental importance of children at all in this equasion, and   you merely wish welfare recipients would go find a cave to squat in and minimize their burden to society?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, vonliege is only saying who should NOT, he's not making any statements or judgements on the converse'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, i think that if it is a moral question, there must be statements for both sides'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I'm pretty sure that's what I'm saying... thanks Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so he's not saying if you can afford children that there's any compelling reason to have them (other than your own desire)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, there mustn't be'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so this discussion isnt really about kids at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its about whether or not welfare recipients should try not to burden society/'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... but there IS a larger issue... children are just the micro-topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which is the mistake -- once a child exists, it is the responsibility of society to make sure that it had a, for example, shelter, education and health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'generational dependence on government is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'children being a necessity isn't really true either...there will be more than enough children for society to go on'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege, noone is the best at everything. some of us are better at b de ing honest, some are good at pirating software, some are good at being born wealthy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so there's never a "please have children" situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just cause were good at one thing, or bad at another, doesnt mean we will excel at parenting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it should be the parents responsibility, Swalec - Society has to step in when the parent fails to do so - and if the parent can't provide for them selves, it's a forgone conclusion that they will not be able to provide for a child'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Vonliege this does not change the fact that it is societies responsibility -- I would agree that in most cases, the way that society achieves this is to leave it to the parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont think wealth is an indicator of good parentage ... nor do i think wealthy parents are incapable of abusingkids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true, VD... '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, it's my responsibility that my son is fed, but in most cases, I can put the food in front of him and let him eat'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: none of which has anything to do with the topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i do think that working class parents will raise more children who join the work force.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not debating that... rich people can suck as parents... but they tpically can FEED their children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc. you walked in late. but fine. you win. abortion good. child raising bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Swalec - I will go with that except - Parents should proved BASIC needs - food, shelter, love.  Society can provide the schools and the roads to get there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege so then , why do the rich not have as many kids as the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're confusing rich with self-supporting...a rather large gap between those two things'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can assure you that Abelinc either A) checked the buffer, or b) has been watching every word'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, and the doctors when needed'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they have different priorities'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc oh. then clarify the issue please. it works better than calling someone names'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'calling someone names? where was this? or do you just mean labelling?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'VD, because very few people own most of the resource in our societies. So there are not many rich, and lots of poor. Hence the poor have more kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay. different priorities. what are the priorities that are different between all welfare recieving parents, and all self supporting parents?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a guy making $20k/year may be fully-capable of raising [and paying for] a family on his own...that's not rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: welfare and self-supporting weren't the groups being discussed when you asked about rich people having less kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, raising a family on 20k would be extremely difficult'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just depends on where exactly you are'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be done super easy... if you didn't WASTE money'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, lets say in a first world country'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc please make up your mind. first you say it should be self supporting, not rich, now you want rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: I'm talking about in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even if 20k is doable, it is just subsistence income'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: YOU asked a very specific question ONLY about the rich...YOU took the discussion there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '20k would be doable I agree, but you would be one disaster away from insolvency'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'RICH people have less kids because of their choices and priorities...but that is not what this discussion is about'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I'm saying, (and I think ablinc is saying too) is that the line between the two groups in question is CAN support a child, and CAN'T support a child with out public assistance for BASIC needs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but YOU still chose to go there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc i asked von liege a question. you jumped in to saybit didnt have proper form, and should be about self supporters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I wonder, where the evidence for the statement comes from incidentally?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'evidence for what statement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that the rich have fewer kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, also, von mentioned the rich before i did. thanks for not backscrolling'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US Census website'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the DISCUSSION was about people who can support themselves and those who cannot...YOU jumped in with rich people being the group opposite those who cannot support themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, von brought thrm up first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and what are the actual stats? I mean, rich in terms of what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"people who can't support themselves shouldn't have kids" is not the same as "only rich people sholud have kids and they have a responsibility to have them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'using capital letters makes you right though. and gets you on ignore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one statement was made by vonliege, the other is what you heard and have harped on'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not on ignore yet...hurry up :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, feel free to return to our previous topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Swalec - http://www.census.gov/ - it's in there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc pretty much nailed it down.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are many places in the US where you can live pretty comfortably on 20k/year...buy a small plot of land and a single-wide trailer...have no mortgage or rent for only a few grand initial cost and taxes/utilities from there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, well i have him on ignore... bht thats cool. preach to the choir'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you care to engage on "people who can not support themselves should not have children that they can also not support"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my question from before. why not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me be blunt - because I don't want to pay for them to have children.  I have my OWN children to support'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'down that road lies Japan though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so children benefit society too though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'China I think you mean Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MY children will benifit society because I will raise them that way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, children as specifics don't benefit society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. how will they benefit society more than a strangers children?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'having a replacement rate + a little benefits a society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fertility rates are crushing Japan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the thing is that I don't understand why you focus on this other people having children as the reason you can't afford to raise your own'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'replacement rate is not relevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'social work? become teachers? doctors? pay more taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and most first world countries if you exclude immigration'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will point you to 'generational welfare'  people on welfare have children who are/will be on welfare.  Census fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, we spend money on lots of things -- doctors, soldiers, rescuing banks and that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'japan is in no danger of collapse from lack of children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you seen their debt to GDP? if it wasn't for Central Banking and fiat currencies they would already be gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, so... your children will never take welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the country being in debt is not a result of lack of children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in general, it would seem to me that the reason you have limitatiions on your ability to raise your kids is the vast amount of cash being spent on supporting a very small percentage of the population. Which isn't the section on welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they stand a good chance of never takeing welfare... "Never" is a big word'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a big part Abe, their elder non-working population is huge relative to the total population'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, so welfare is given to children of self supporters , not just cildren of welfare recipients?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Vamp... you are harping again'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make a statement - don't ask more questions'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von would it be fair to say that  there is both upward and downward mobility in terms of economic class?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that a statement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: no, it isn't a big part...having more kids doesn't solve that issue, it merely shifts it in time'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, learn english. before saying that. but whatever. if you dont want opposing viewpoints lets just not talk. i ca add you to ignore alongside abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has that exact same problem, which is what is at the heart of "social security isn't sustainable"...but we don't have lack of children born'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all you do is ask niggling questions... you don't make any STATEMENTS.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'best way to win arguments is by actual eloquent points, not by ignoring anyone who is making them against you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I haven't looked up the statistics abe, but remove immigration, legal or otherwise, and it is probably pretty close'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Lies!  The best way to win arguments is to bury your enemy under poorly cited facts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And compare them to Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Abelinc, in asking what is sustainable, you need to say what the conditions are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean "facts" ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'jhav well, hitler supported abortions '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'with a massively unequal society, it's hard to sustain welfare because the budget that it comes from it such a tiny part of the GDP'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'swalec: I don't, as I didn't ask'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was merely pointing to other well-known points'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hitler was a vegetarian. Hence, all vegeterians are megalomaniac mass murderers. Unless, of course, correlation does not imply causation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you can be used as a plural, abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"you" can, but it's again not relevant here as it's not a discussion taking place'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Hitler was a vegetarian who eat quite a bit of meat'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, sorry, but asking questions is part of a debate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in the same way that he was an atheist who believed in god rather a lot'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'as an atheist, vegetarian, I wish people would stop doing the hitler thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's a different debate, but hitler was definitely not an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He called himself a vegetarian, but afaik he never called himself an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why he said he believed in god a lot ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr not even at the end, good catholics dont commit suicide?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not all religions are against suicide'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'nor a vegetarian, but it is still a fact that comes up rather often in debates about either a) vegetarianism, or b) atheism'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, ok, replace my statement above with "people with a mustache", then :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You miss 100% of the shots you do not take.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No you don't. You didn't take them, therefore you can't miss them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It'd be more accurate to say you don't score 100% of the time you don't take a shot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by not taking the risk, you missed, whether you did it or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, by not taking the risk, you didn't take the risk =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'it doesn't mean you took the risk, and lost'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are you a business owner then ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'occasionally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wrong answer...you either are, or are not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The answer is not wrong, as there isn't really a correct answer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It's preferable to be harmlessly paranoid than fatally stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If I'm not going to hit - I don't take the shot.  Why waste the ammo (resources) if you're likely going to miss?  The whole "Take the shot" mentality in this country is what has gotten us into trouble because there is no consequence for missing.  If you're a bank, and you make bad decisions (take the shot and miss), you get bailed out.  If you buy a house you can't afford (take the shot and miss) you get bailed out.  "Taking the shot" SHOULD be applied only after a careful risk analysis, followed by risk mitigation.  Then, when you DO "take the shot", you can be reasonably assured of a hit.  But when there is no consequence for missing, "taking the shot" just ends up costing the rest of us lots of money.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe doing nothing is considered untenable'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '+1 Vonliege. Though that was unrelated to my original complaints =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fling it all against the wall, see what sticks'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when considering a course of action (COA), "doing nothing" is always an option.  Sometimes it't the best option.. When you are standing at the edge of a busy street, and cars are whipping by, "soing nothing" is the best course of action... Then when there are no cars, "Crossing the street" is the best couyse of action.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc - was that serious or sarcasim?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there'sw no more or less inherent cosequence or benefit for taking the shot y'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'neither, it's a saying'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about DARPA parking a surveillance drone over Manhattan, able to see everything via the 1.8 gigapixel camara onboard (parts for camara taken exclusively from smartphones)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... are they filming through bedroom windows with the intent of selling an amature porno cut-tape?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the drone won't see a millionth of what is already being recorded on manhattan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or are they trying to get ahead of the next mass attack?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, I dunno if the ARGUS-IS will be T-ray capable...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have between 30 and 40 helicopters fly over my property every day - it doesn't really bother me because I know their "intent"'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you live on-base or near an airfield, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a drone in and of itself isn't inherently nefarious'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aviation training center'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I use aardmush and the mapper, so alot of them are point-and-click... expeccially handy when you ahve to run 100 rooms into send'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sooh. any communist pigs around here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'feeling like boston butt roast for supper, Kwuajijijijijijal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'due to low productivity and the decline and fall of communism, communist pigs command a hefty premium'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmmm.  Hard to think of a more delicious animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Though I must say I don't really care about philosphical or political leaning my meat has.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as it's greezy and full of flavor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno i would rather eat pork that doesnt eat pork.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOH!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good one'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You don't eat pigs, and we don't eat pigs, so lets not eat pigs together'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'For every pig you don't eat, I'll eat three.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You realize thats impossible jhav?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Shhhh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I personaly enjoy lots of pig... bacon, ham, pulled pork samich, sausage, you name it'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'If I eat no pigs, that means you would have to eat three times the amount of all pigs that exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ah, but what if there are an infinite number of pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '3 x 0 = 0'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or none!  Sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Vampiredude.. are you implying pigs do not exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what if they were imaginary pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Say that there are a countably infinite number of pigs.  If you eat none, I can still find three pigs for every one you don't eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The amount of pigs I dont eat, is the amount of total pigs minus the amount of pigs I've actually eaten. So if there are infinite pigs, the amount of pigs I have not eaten is infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if I have eaten some pigs, the amount of pigs I have not eaten is still infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, consider this argument.  Give each pig a number starting with 1.  So pigs 1, 2, 3, etc etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You don't eat any of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are we still really talking about pigs?  or have we moved on to mathematical theology?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But for your not consuming pig 1, I'll eat pigs 1-3.  For not eating pig 2 I'll eat pigs 4-6, and so on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'We're talking about how he's going to get fat from eating pigs, and die before he eats any percent of the pigs he said he would eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'For every pig you don't eat, I can literally point to three pigs and then presumably consume them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Jhav.. exact Every pig that I "don't eat" is every pig I have not eaten. =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if I get my bib on first!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'except rather.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Every pig I don't eat, is Every pig, less the amount of pigs I HAVE eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So if thats a million pigs, and I've eaten 10, thats 999990 pigs left, times 3. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You're missing the bit where there are an infinite number, see.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if its an infinite amount of pigs, that means you must eat an infinite amount.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'which as I said before, is impossible =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'he could eat baby pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as you cannot eat 3x infinite number of anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or baby pig fetuses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But one of the interesting things about infinity is that it's stretchy, so to speak.  Triple the size of a countably infinite set is still countably infinite, the same size.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And yet, still impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'See Hilbert's Grand Hotel paradox.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Infinite infinites!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also, the number of pigs is not infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Not sure you could prove that!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you prove a negative?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i could prove it with a sufficiently large triangle in non eucliian space. but the pigs would die'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hmm. Well, if you're talking earth-pigs, Theres only so many pigs of an average size that could fit within a finite volume that is the surface of the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as well as a limited number of resources to feed and raise said pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So I very much thing that the number of pigs must be rather finite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran if he takes baby pigs   and runts then theyre not average size. he can package more pig power if he pleases'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you would have to calculate that volume in a non-liniar method because the number would be ever decreasing based on the velocity of pig consumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if he takes baby pigs and runts, those would be part of the "average" of average size of pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'This feels suspiciously like an xkcd what-if...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and as he eats the pigs, there is space for more n de w pigs.. like emptying a beer mug'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I suppose thats true, I doubt the speed of pig consumption could exceed the speed of pig proliferation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The earths pig population was roughly one billion in 2002'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pigs are pretty horny'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'This is possibly the only worthwhile conversation I have ever seen on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would youru decline to eat a horny pog, so jhav can eat three horny pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the sexualy proclivity of a pig is of little import when considered for consumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Though.. if you have a finite number of concurrent pigs, then, if you're talking earth bound pigs, there will only be so much time for them to procreate before the heat death of the universe, or before Sol goes nova and destroys the earth..'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'pig proliferation is higher with horny hetero pigs though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Does homosexuality occur in pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty insensitive to the queer pigs, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know there is a relativly high instance of androgenous pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'In fact its VERY sensitive to the queer pigs Von. He said proliferation is higher with hetero pigs. Which would be true'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von those pig subsets can still subsist , pork rump, and have rumps become pork.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's to say that the queer pigs can't be as prolific as the hetero pigs... which make the queer pigs losers in the race to reproduce... and you KNOW we can't have any losers!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think this debate has run its course'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cdc claims 20% of all kids may have a mental disorder'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now take your meds, they're good for you'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what does the ECDC say?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have anything to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who? Dr Marc Sprenger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'Where all the nutters at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your hand.
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I "get" stuff by serial numbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loony'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mornin, btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'morning =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ctalk discussion on the merits of restringing everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just had my entire world-view rudely knocked akimbo'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'akimbo?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the big oil independents are packing up and moving out of the Ohio oil patch.....looks like most of the Utica shale is a natgas play, and not an oil one.  Unless natgas prices improve in the US, Ohio is a bust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil will not resurrect the US economy while you have the democrats in'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'mainly American internal politics here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exclusively, but you tend to get blank looks from yanks when you talk about foreign stuff because nothing exists east of new hampshire'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'only know old hampshire in England and thats not that exciting'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US politics is more pertinent that british, since if american falls, uk falls'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas production in the Barnett shale has dropped by 50% because of low natgas prices, a drop of 25% in the Haynesville natgas shale play in NE Texas/NW Lousiana'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you want to bring something up, feel free to, i'm british, so might understand'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'Eurovision anti British votes or are we just shit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eurovision voting is as laughable as elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'undefeatable mob is challenging me the wife'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well drilling in the South Texas oil shale field Eagle Ford has been booming though.....oil production has tripled in the last 2 years, and expected to double in the next couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'see you all'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in the West Texas Permian Basin shale is booming also.  They have found 3 oil plays at various depths in the permian.  Production is expected to hit 1 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is it going to?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of it probably refined into products and shipped overseas, we have a glut of fuels in the US atm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sufficient a glut to pull oil prices down'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil companies are under investigation for price fixing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a glut wont pull prices down, regulations and lack of pipelines to the big markets keep the prices high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only place where the glut helps is in the middle of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example, Alaskan oil is only permitted to sell it on the West Coast, keeping the price artificially high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all canadian oil goes to refineries in the midwest, and then through small pipelines to the east coast to NJ'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that new xl pipeline would allow some of that oil to get to the gulf coast refineries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't need anymore down there, they have so much now that they're shipping it out of the country, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it doesnt matter how much oil the US produces, the price isnt going to come down, because the price is based on the world price of oil, not on production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as world demand for oil continues to increase, the price will continue to be high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my more instant issue with oil is the level of government taxation of fuel, and their epic incompetence in planning that has led to our entire energy infrastructure being run by private monopolies, and under foreign control'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil might be a bust for now in the Utica, but wet gas is going to boom....wet gas makes the natgas production worth much more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's wet gas versus dry gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one leaves a stain in your pants'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a guy, I can safely say that's inaccurate.  Both kinds leave stains.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hmm, I don't see stains from the dry ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe my vision sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, wet gas has things like propane and butane and other liquids with the natgas'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'propane and butane are worth a lot more than just natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dry gas is just plane natgas, no other gases with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even co2 is a valuable gas when combined with natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for reals, or lebron james style?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular plain natgas is selling for around $4.40, but when you add butane and propane, or co2, or any of the other valued gases, the price of the field can be triple the value of the natgas alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 150 miles off the coast of Rio Brazil, a 120 billion barrel oil field was found.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'they found barrels off the coast?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 35 gallon metal drums.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Must've been Obama, what put them there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could've come from anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff washes up all the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I cannot tell a lie office Opie, I put that oil there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil was smart though, they demanded that 85% of the technology used to extract that oil to be provided by Brazil, as well as the workers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean protectionism'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that thing that the EU bans'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except everyone else ignores it except our dumbarse government who enforce the rules because they want us part of the united states of europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it forces foreign companies to build factories and such in Brazil....GE opened a factory in Rio to provide part of the technology to extract the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is protectionism, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it works.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course it fucking works'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they did it'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the field is on target to be producing 5 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, governments to tons of shit that doesn't work, so "duh, that's why they did it" is pretty invalid'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 1.5 million of that 5 million will be exported.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil will go from an importer of oil, to an exporter....wtg Brazil!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we have a government that perpetually hands contracts to foreign businesses, who then spend 0 in investment here, then wonders why we have such high unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, at this rate no country will be importing oil pretty soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas Germany will tend to hand contracts to German companies for infrastructure products'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seems every month another country is finding a supply which will reduce/remove their foreign dependance'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done america, you're removed your foreign dependance on oil and gained on on electricity'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, we dont import electricity.....you do :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might not be net importers, but you do import electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from where ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and canada, but it's opportunistic and unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no we dont :)  perhaps 2-3x a summer Texas buys some power from mexico when the temps get high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably Canada'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the temps get too high, or when some more coal stations have been closed down'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We built the niagra falls power stations, we dont buy power from canada.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes we do, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, get in a barrel and go over the falls abe lincoln :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the green lobby continues it's push, you'll be importing a whole lot more electric, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I grew up there, many relatives work for NiMo'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Niagara Mohawk produces hella lot of power, but it is shipped elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'god I hate bloomberg.com all their freaking videos are business commercials.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, Texas is expanding its nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We also built 2 new natgas power plants in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though we cancelled 13 new coal fired power plants..:('
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal production in the US is down 15% in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising, given the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is ok though, we will be a huge exporter of coal eventually....)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Canada (Quebec) -- some Canadians are peeved that Quebec is forced (due to a retarded contract) to sell to the USA at cheap (far too low) prices, then must buy back from the USA at expensive prices when the demand is at a temporary high in Canada <-- (unsure if this is valid though or somebody griping)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(part of the topic "Traitors in Canada")'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska was given permission by the feds to export coal to Asia....so now about 5% of Usibelli coal mine coal is exported, the rest is used by the US military and Fairbanks Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas coal production is being exported to Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Ohio has 51,000 oil and gas wells, and 87 oil and gas wells in the shale areas are producing 12% of the states total oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm looking at Duke Energy's pages on their elec producing technologies...they mention that their hydro plants aren't use most of the time, just used for peak-demand power and turned up as needed...that's just retarded :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are coal plants able to turn their electric output up and down per peak demand -- if not, then that is the reason the hydro is used as a peak supplier'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'zela's right'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think his point was more about using a green source more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for load balancing, hydro is a hell of a lot easier to turn off and on'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, you can be adjusting peak using the hydro, but you should be BASELINING with it in use...they're leaving them totally not spinning most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK had any sense, they should have peppering wales and scotland with hydro plants 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but, they're either incompetent, or bought off, or both, so did nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydro also considerably more reliable than other green sources'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about maintenance?  Is the wear and tear on the hydro more expensive to maintain?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... 0.6¢/KWH vs 2.2¢/KWH '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you've factored in the whole cycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's net cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'southern and western insurance group in Ohio takes over womens' abuse shelter and plans to turn it into a boutique hotel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point comparing day to day maintenance costs, they're highly subjective'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compare the whole lifecycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'thought you type burlesque for a seccond there'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whole lifecycle is what kills fission as a practical power source'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those numbers came off a hippie web site.  looks to advocate hydro power'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still... even of they ARE spun a little bit.. there's a significant difference in cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, you're comparing apples with oranges'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 24 wheeler has a higher maintenance cost than a bicycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they were complacent and smug self-satisfied, and did not forsee the requirement to plan ahead -- or maybe they did, but realised that those hydro plants were likely to disrupt the countryside and the enjoyment of the rich landed gentry -- difficult to yell "Tally-ho!" if there are waters of a hydro dam covering the former rural greens'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, zela, would be better to say that there are lobbyists in and out of the green movement who benefit from extortion in the energy sector, and bad choices based of faux-environmental reasons'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change might be real, but every law, regulation, plan predicated on it is merely propoganda and a means of taking money and power'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'palm trees inside the arctic circle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Hoover Dam is yet producing electricity -- long lasting hydro there'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, zela'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had my ENTIRE world view smashed with a sledge hammer earlier....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is a lot of heat energy in the exhaust gases and radiant energy from the furnaces that may be converted to useful form of either energy or heat -- but do modern coal plants utilise that resource'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was humming "bye bye miss american pie" in the shower earlier... my wife commented on the "hippie" music, and when I got out of the shower, I proceeded to tell her what I though the song was about....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that led to a ggogle search... turns out the song is about Buddy Holly... BUDDY FREAKING HOLLY!... man - I was bummed. '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it wasn't about his underage cousin-wife?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was some deep philisophical commentary on the political state of affairs of the day... nope... just about 'ol Buddy'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the day the music died was when digital replaced analog music '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deserves a slap, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "widowed bride" is indeed Buddy's young wife... didn't know it was a cousin'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and "chevy to the levee" is a reference to a 1950's Chevy Commercial.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not when buddy holly or james dean or bobby darin or some other singer died (in a car (or plane) crash)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, for Don McLean, the music died the day buddy holly died... and it was a pretty big hit, so I'd have to not argue with him on that point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so much so he refuses to perform it'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vinyl sucks, cd forever!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'synth was barely on the scene at the time, never mind 'digital' recording.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the American Pie is also referenced to some celebrity dying in a car crash -- was that Buddy Holly'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was James Dean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buddy died in a plane... close enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Buddy Holly and the La Bamba guy died in the same crash.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but each verse details a different iconic music figure of the day... the jester is bob dylan... who DID die in a car'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a tv documentary stated that American Pie referenced James Dean -- was James Dean driving a Chevy'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatly, the song is about the grand social experiments of the 1960s as it began to collapsing under the weight of its own unrealized utopian dreams,'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought Haight Ashbury was a 50s thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the next oil shale boom will be in New Mexico.....a 1.8 billion recoverable oil field, with a potential 110 billion barrels of oil has been found in SE New Mexico.....part of the permian shale of West Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the song was unwittingly prophesying the demise of music due to digital '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Dean was in a Porsche Spyder, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they ought to leave that oil in the ground for later generations'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maybe Don McLean was unable to afford to drive a porchee to the levee or does not rhyme as good'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just set it on fire like the coal in Centralia, Pennsylvania.  Get rid of it now, so we can't use it later to fuck up the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drill baby drill!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'did you hear about those drilling for oil and gas and thermal causing permanent mudpit (indonesia) and firepit (middle east) disasters'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shit happens sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now they have a tourist attraction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not attracting many tourists  -- maybe a lot of long distance hecklers'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Boeing has decided to offer the new 777x fuel efficient super jetliner to airlines.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to the Wiki on Dean, he was apparently going so fast that officers were called to the scene of the wreckage some 50 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'digital music is very noisy -- the noise is the difference between the digital waveform and the analog waveform. and that noise is far greater than the S/N ratio that affects analog'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you guys were confusing Buddy Holly with Jerry Lee Lewis...Buddy Holly's wife was older than him, and no relation...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft, it was a hip white guy on a plane.  How much more factual do we really need to get on debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Gary Lewis (son of the comedian Jery Lewis) is different to Jerry Lee Lewis'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also left off the third big name on the plane, The Big Bopper'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'see anything about that asteroid over mexio yet hans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the one today?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or was their more then one today?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'guess not'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you referring to 1998 qe2, or a different one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one happened today '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'blew past mexico letting off a sonic boom'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela is waiting for the Blue Star that the Hopi indians say is coming -- since when does a extraterrestial object decide to do a vastly different amount of damage based upon how benign and good (or evil and bad) the human race is by then
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hale bopp'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heavens gate '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hale bopp was the comet that the heavens gate people were working toward'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, microsoft stock is up 28% this year, and gates is the richest man in the world again.  $72.7 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This pattern, where have I seen it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The world economy seems tobe collapsing ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps for some people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Yet, one man rises, and rises ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Bill Gates is Noah!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Q-Bits are revealed'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'the world will be saved from destruction by quantum computing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or 21 m&m's'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'B Serial'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, video store clerk....almost extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'There are a few mandetory questions to start with....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 450 mile yard sale....over 3500 vendors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'thats less then 8 vendors/mile. thats a lot of walking.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but more vendors do it each year....this year they expect 4000 vendors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'still <10/mile'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is along a 450 mile stretch of highway from kentucky to alabama'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'and yet, its still <10/mile =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an old highway'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biggest stop has 250 vendors or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it keeps growing, they said they might have to make it 5 days a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'why is this on debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause the lack of vendors means it doesnt fit on barter'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we could debate about whether it belongs on debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'debate is my channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not... really'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'France is the world's most popular tourist destination with more than 81.4 million foreign tourists in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you forgot israel, all those millions of palestinian tourists'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or texas'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or do you have to spend money to be considered a tourist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, did that julian assaunge guy get out yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is living with your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it sacrilegious to ascribe the word holy to a soulless object such as a star, or a staff ,or a censer ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like for  we three kings of orient song , as an example'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vegas Rules: if a skanky chick approaches you and asks if you'd like some company, run the other way.  If some hot chick approaches you and asks if you want some company, she's probably an undercover cop, so run the other way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the 'sissification' of America'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone jump in and try to convince me it's a "good thing"'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... let me put a little better bait on that hook... '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bullying is a GOOD THING'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wow, they png 'ed a third american cia type from russia now....   why doesnt the cia hire better people'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you've been wathing RT again, havn't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RT didn't report about the 'toy' spy kit the first guy had'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, i read "thelocal" and "farsnews" and "cnn" mostly'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'complete with 'rear-view mirror sunglasses''
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh the  penknife and cash?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we sent some idiot over there that thought he was going to play at being a spy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we DIDN'T send a spy... I am sure the spies we DO have in russia are much much better'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well the first guy  looks like a textbook blackmailee'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our State Department is having some issues these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, dunno, cia used to coopt businesses that operated in russia to send their people along. churches, soda companies and so in, but since the cold war, who cares'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... 'who cares' is probobly true.... though Russia is getting pretty heavy back on the international scene in places like syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn i dunno. state seems to be very good at equally employing everybody'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think State should be equal about squat... best person - period.  If the minority or female numbers are a bit lop-sided, so be it.  unless you wern't talking about equal opportunity at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, im all for promiting the best people. but why not force women employees on some if the misogynists in bahrain or libya or saudi arabia'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'promoting'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if we show underpriveleged women, and gay people, and people with disabilities, and people with less popular skin colors all that america has to offer '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we do play a bit of that game... especially in the military... if you can get a hot female soldier to interigate a hard-line Shia jihadist, it's a WIN.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe theyll choose freedom and democracy next time they vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the fox hole is not the place to make opportunities for people in wheelchairs (to be extremely dramatic)'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, cia and dia and dod hire wheelchair wielders'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and pay em better than grunts'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the other side of that is that, for example, a saudi pricnce, when confronted with a female diplomat, will just spit on her and walk away from the table.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, theyre not head of state, what privelege do they have against arrest for assault with bodily fluids? =H'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it's in their country  - no such law.  In fact, our females often get rolled up for failing to comply with Shia Law in a variety of countries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it doesn't generally stick, but it's a nut roll all the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, the whole bloodline and caliphate issue was never adequately explained to me.   shia vs sunni questions are so complex.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... shariah law is nice and simple... if ya meant that.  theres basically four big schoola /variants'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the most important aspect to consider - Shia believes a blood line to muhamed is required to lead in government, and especially in religion - Sunni believes power is the only requirement to lead.  The Shia are more conservative than the sunnis as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course - it is WAY more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'much. '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and there is no shortage of irony in what bed-fellows are made.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it just seems odd that bloodline would matter in religion, unless you claim to be descened from a god.   i would respect piety more gb than parentage'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'more than.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they DO belive they are decended from a god'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, you said descened from a prophet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did say that... Quran, 112:1-4 states that Muhammad isn't a god... so I retract my statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i mean, in greek mythology, being a son of zeus was considered a positive'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and levites used to care who the sons of prophets were in the bible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but, i dont get what privelege a bloodline is supposed to carry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if the kingdom was founded with a royal bloodline, that seems clearcut... maybe its not a religious practice but a secular one'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's their religion.  I don't pretend to agree with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like how the tudors and thewindsors have a family tree for royal blood'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or that holy blood book alleged a two class system for salvation in europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i guess ill have to wait til my next encounter with someone that understands the issues better :-( where is a sheikh or historian or somebody :-('
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. that sheikh from the daily show had a blog. i can try asking him. bbiab'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so in disneys aladdin, where jasmine is a princess,that couldnt really happen cause she is female?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's less than 10 years old - it's aluminum'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've just come up with a cheap way to solve America's electricity needs'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Potato batteries?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'attach a couple of tubes to Michael Moore, one to catch the torrents of bullshit that erupt from his mouth, use that with a biodigester to create electricity, and secondly a permanent liposuction machine and use all the fat to generate electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. A couch potato battery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, a michael moore battery'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couch potatos would be inefficient because they ingest more than they exude'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Overweight, greasy, unkempt neckbeard... a couch potato battery :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michael moore ont he otherhand, spouts such a large volume of bullshit, that it breaks the laws of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people believe michael more'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe him to do what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell the truth - reveal injustice - what ever'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, just believe him, well there you go, people will be thick'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the unbiased, non-partisan man that he is'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"people", in my general understanding, are dumbasses'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are generally right'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same hold true for just about every demographic - people believe Bill O'reilly, too, and you have to admit he spews out some serious BS (though I tend to nod my head when he does)'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not familiar with him'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the end of the day, people will laud the fellow who is saying what they think they already know'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo... people are dumbasses'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'myself included'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[Bill Oreilly is a popular conservative author and talk show host on Fox]'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MM, though... some of the crap he says - completly fanciful'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's a wonder he was ever able to do anyting with Hugo's pecker in his mouth all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the Feds are preparing trumped-up charges on Adam Kokesh. How do you diffuse a potential future situation when a  political activist plans a protest set to put the Feds in a bad light? You arrest him on fake charges'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, for 2011 returns, about 5200 french households were taxed at a rate of at least 100%.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surprise, surprise, Subway is less nutritious than McDonalds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that's not a surprise. after all... sodium triphosphate is a food'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey now, you can get iceberg lettuce on your sub! ... I mean, sure, it has little to no nutritional value, but it's lettuce, that makes it super healthy... right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a two mile wide tornado is kinda big'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where did you hear of a 2-mile one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in oklahoma today, had around 200 mph winds, and a destruction path 2 miles wide.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was on the ground for 40 minutes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tornado wasn't 2 miles wide, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'talk to the hand'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are going to live in Tornado Alley, you should be prepared for tornadoes.  That is why it is called prepping.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You can take classes on how to properly ride a tornado at Texas A&M Kingsville.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Every school in tornado alley should have a concrete dome building that can be used as a shelter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think they would rather tear down their old concrete school buildings and replace them with 25 million dollar glass beauties'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a concrete dome building can easily withstand a 350 mph tornado.......perhaps with a little bit of surface scratching.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the building would last hundreds of years if not longer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a florida man killed an 18 foot burmese python on the side of the road with a knife.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now he has 800,000 more to kill.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida should do what lousiana does, offer a $5 bounty on each one turned in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or $10 per foot since they are big snakes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But snakes don't have feet'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'any proponents of obama want to explain what hes done so far this term?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no? k. ill go then. laters'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadpeasant: 'change? P'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, an estimated $500 billion in Lithium has been found in a water source after a well was drilled in Wyoming.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Preliminary analyses of fluid samples collected from a well drilled on the Rock Springs Uplift suggested that reservoir brines from a 25 square-mile area of the 2,000 square-mile uplift could contain 228,000 tons of lithium worth about $500 billion at current prices for Lithium.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz. what about obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come we are not using supercapacitors for electronics instead of batteries ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'theyre too shakey'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if the christian or jewish god that moses saw played aard, would he be a diva, like a burning bush?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '17, from Colorado Springs, Colo., joined the quest for practical alternatives to petroleum-based fuels in the seventh grade. Now a high school senior, she may have found an answer in the oily pond scum growing under her bed.  Using guided evolution, she isolated a high oil producing algae over a couple years.  Her research won a $100,000 scholarship from Intel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 17 year old high school student.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. who has pond scum growing under her bed. yuck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mermaids with shell bras'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Now make that rhyme ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wann go, where the people are , i wanna see , wanna see em dancing, with those what do you call them feet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she turned her bedroom into a chemistry lab....her bed is elevated "_'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she was accepted to MIT where she plans on continuing her research in biochemistry of algae to produce biofuels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Good choice, since algae is the future.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, some awuatic organisms can produce carbonyls from nickel oxide and other metal oxides'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess we better ban tornados.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'tax them, at least'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should blow up some of the mountains of the rocky mountains.....let more of that moisture filled air to head east into the great plains.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States has the highest incidence of tornadoes, with an average of more than 1,000 every year, according to the National Climatic Data Center. But other regions of the world have twisters as well. Canada is No. 2 with about 100 per year,'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dineys first venture into the Starwars Universe - An animated TV series - Bleh'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down with trucking companies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'They are the backbone of many societies though...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they MUST be held accountable!'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just listening to one of those lawer-we-sue-'em-for-you commercials... said that Trucking Companies are responsible for thousands of deaths each year, and that they are stadning by to sue them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you can get the life "you deserve"'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I think MUDders should get paid more :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If you vote for me as President of the World I will make sure exactly that happens'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we talking 20% raise?  50%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Top IRS official will invoke the Fifth Amendment in congressional hearing about tea party targeting program'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how hyprocritical is that when administration has dedicated the last 5 years to annulling the constitution for all the minions and slaves?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, bitchfight! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwvgXeDh4Y&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad to see Florida Governor has pulled funding for the government snitch program'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the drivers license thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pleading the 5th should be a jailable offense like contempt of court.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah. its a constitutional thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pleading the 5th should be fine, but should be for all'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like it grants you immunity from prosecution. Doesn't exist here in the UK, infact there is quite the opposite law'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know what it is, but you're just wasting everyone's time if you're going to plead it for everything being asked.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep in the uk they even recognize convictions from banana republics'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the very least, it should be like a gameshow lifeline.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans. they shouldnt bother asking'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine that judges can ratchet up sentencing for someone who plead 5th'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if found guilty anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger nah thats unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no different than someone who was uncooperative during the investigation, really'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what ammendment does it breach?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they cant treat you worse to retaliate for asserting the rights in an approved forum'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't treating you worse, it's not rewarding you for being helpful'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's unconstitutional to make you give them the evidence to use against you...it's not unconstitutional to give maximum statutory sentences'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats fine then'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise plea bargaining would be unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't have a right to not be prosecuted...you have a right to not be persecuted'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, it is an offence in the UK to fail to disclose when requested the key to any encrypted information'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger yep. but what happens if you arent  the custodian of the key'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: you can be ordered to decrypt/provide password in US as well...they don't consider that witness against yourself as they've grabbed the puters/phones/etc as physical evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they are not having my goal info'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got bigger problems, however, Bitch McConnel said he won't block the immigration bill'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  They're not really immigrants if they're already here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'white people do not like to dig ditches, so we pay hispanics $14 an hour to do it, plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amnesty wouldn't guarantee you socialism forever, you realise'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'good point. and its like free subjugation for the crown'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 years ago, lots of white people would have loved to have been paid $15 a week to dig ditches......guess the recession isnt bad enough.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with a white guy + a digger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: that's also why the US will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again...for the most part, "we the people" simply don't want those jobs (even in today's economy)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are two outcomes to that, US people refuse low paid jobs and welfare is increase, country goes bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second, US people start taking low paid jobs, welfare increased, country goes bankrupt slower'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the white guy with a digger is attached at another sort of dirthole with the unions, who insist that you pay a lot more than $15 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course 100 years ago, $15 a week was a living wage......$7.25 an hour is not a living wage, so people end up needing govt help.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thirdly, US people start taking lower paid jobs, welfare not increased, country doens't go bankrupt, but people forced to accept considerably lower living standards'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is currently doing 2 and 3'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly 2'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unions only account for 12% of the US workforce now, and it is dropping fast.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are dead here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends heavily on the industry...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an energy truck driver can easily make $65k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some are even making $100k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, kind of...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in contest, a middle-grade IT job here pays the same now in real terms as we were told it was paid when i left high school in 1992'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrast, not contest'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a blind gunslinger who can hit the target 80% of the time with shots half a second apart (qualifying him for quickdraw status) is quite impressive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is wage deflation'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'truck driver is one of those industries where the talk of the salaries is vastly different than the reality...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you dont get rich by paying employees well'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'google did'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, corporations use the government to top up wages, so us tax payers are basically subsidising them'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not even, a guy who used to work for our company got a job at a Texas energy company...he makes a min of $1600 a week plus benefits, and bonuses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as a truck driver.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truck drivers are not well paid here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he hauls water, the 2nd most plentiful energy truck driver job, after crude hauling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: you're leaving out HUGE portions of that story'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it is hard to get crude hauling jobs until you have experience, so most people haul sand or water, or fracking chemicals first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I knew a truck driver once who was pulling $210,000 a year tax-free - no expenses.  Food and lodging provided'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'owner operator ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't your truck drivers have to buy their own gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'usually'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... didn't own a blessed thing... 'cept his clothes'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends if you own the truck or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'company truck, they pay for everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '210k sounds like iraq or afghanistan :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as a truck driver, you're (1) driving someone else's hardware locally for an okay hourly, (2) driving someone else's hardware OTR for okay mileage, (3) driving your own hardware locally and getting paid good per load (but paying out the nose for your own hardware), or (4) driving your own hardware OTR and getting paid well to subcontract (and paying out the nose for your own hardware)...you can raise salaries some by getting things like hazmat ratings, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'civilian contractors in Iraq and Afgahinstan...  of course, the uniform wearing drivers beside them were only gettting around $26,000-$31,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truck drivers here top out around $40k before tax, which is about $3.50 a week after tax'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the reality is that truck driving is a low-pay, hard-life job'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if you do OTR, which I dont recommend, unless you want to live that lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the majority of drivers, yup...but it did allow eureka to cross off most states as "been there"'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider the boom-town jobs in ND.. how long do think those will last?  Or the Alaska Pipeline?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(as child of drivers, not a driver herself)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those jobs in ND will last decades'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those wells have to be fracked every 5-6 years to boost production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from what I hear from Family, there's an insane turnover for MOST of those boomtown jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excluding the engineer and administrative jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those seem to be stable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are shale deposits all over the country, so it isnt just ND anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some more bullshit inflation numbers came out today'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zooming out to "reality-view"... if there's all these great jobs, why havn't the cities emptied out and unemplyment dropped?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most people can't handle those trucking jobs, and they dont want to live the way you HAVE to live to get them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'away from family mainly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need special license and training to drive a truck here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lazy white people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya...  the value of the job tanks when you consider all the angles'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there are strict laws on hours worked'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same here tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't personally do it since driving kills my back'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although some people will fudge the books and work more hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 x 14 hours, rest for 24 hours, then another 14 hour shift in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but doing so can throw away your trucking career if you're caught'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and logbooks can get you in trouble.  And greedy employers coercing you into exposing your ass to make a deadline.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have tacographs here, serious criminal offence to tamper with it. maximum 3 hrs driving without a rest'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, here they don't enforce potty breaks, just sleep breaks'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most energy companies have switched to electronic log books.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with the overhead electronic registry thingers you don't really need to stop for anything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just when it flashes near the weigh stops'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg crude hauler in Texas does 2 loads per day in a 12 hour shift.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about some work i -can- do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes you are able to do 5 loads in 2 days if the timing happens correctly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Depends on what you can do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eat chips'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kill truck driving is probably the most disliked truck driving job in oil and gas, but I am not sure why.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither holder, clinton, or obama has been impeached yet, so you're all shit and i'm orf to bed'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a kill truck, you might drive for an hour, and get paid for 12 sitting around at the well waiting to do something.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with or without wifi?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the signal, but cell phones will work in most rural texas places.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bill clinton was impeached...did you mean hillary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good luck with cell service in pennsyltucky'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'verizon has excellent cell coverage in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can they even impeach a Secretary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, if not, just bar her from public office, or arrest her, whichever'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the bakken shale will be producing oil and gas for at least 40 years, and crude/water haulers will be needed the whole time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so will West Texas, and the eagle ford shale in south texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's one for you: http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Used-Car-Sold-Without-Catalytic-Converter-New-Owner-206840291.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only question should be not who removed the catalytic converter, but instead, who in their right mind pays $44000 for an 11yr old Nisasn?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$4400 even'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy a $500 one and convert it to electric.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything at that price is going to require parts and labor worth far more than 4400 bucks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get a 2002 Nissan similar for $1400'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dealers always charge more if they can get it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they must have seen her coming'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to buy used cars at auction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I buy used cars from the guy down on the street corner that people are always driving up to and giving money to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how much can i get for 79 nova with bullet holes n a bad axle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'enjoy the conversation'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she'd have been better off buying this: http://tinyurl.com/qd3v3yj'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'missed another F5 tornado.....the strongest I have ever seen in person was F3.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Happiness is found along the way, not at the end of the road.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'once the cop gives you the ticket, shooting him won't do any good unless you get rid of the book :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Republican" are responsible for the tornado in OK'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes, hundreds of years ago it was the Kings fault if there was a famine. Why not republicans fault that there are tornadoes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'republicans refuse to acknowlege and respect global warming - which caused the tornado - and they have also slashed the National Weather Service budget.  If the National Weather Service were properly funded, they could have stopped the tornado'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all complete crap, of course.... doesn't stop people from trying, though.  http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/21/sen-sheldon-whitehouse-enters-the-tornado-politics-hall-of-shame/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm sure the ppl could argue for why it was the Kings fault also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just how the hell do you expect a tornado to be stopped?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that part was me being really dramatic.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear Congress is attempting to remove the tax-exempt statuses of professional sports leagues (with possibility of hearings as to the criminality of them not paying taxes in some cases since 1966)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to what end?  to get cash?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it the 'league', or the 'owners'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool, we can print unborn babies in 3d.  Not including the cost of the MRI, it only costs about a $1000.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '3D printing is really getting the buzz these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd love to get me one of those bionic ears they printed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3D printing is going to annihilate the consumer-based economy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought those were 3D printed, real flesh ears - like a prosthetic'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno about all that - sort of like saying the coffee pot will annihilate Starbucks®'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the garden hose will destroy the Dasani® water branch of Cokacola'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's going to be about who can produce the best substances to use'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can make your own garden hoses. You'll still have to buy water and coffee of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cost will keep most folks out of the market for decades'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, costs have dropped like a rock already'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we havn't even given the legislature a chance to regulate it, yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there may be "regular" ears 3d printed, but I said bionic ears.  They are infused with some sort of silver-based material that turns your ear into an antenna to help pick up sounds outside of the normal human hearing range.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't regulate the technology. Think Piratebay for objects now, not just media'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there will HAVE to be some stops... imagine (and it's a streach, but I need an example) if someone sets himself up printing brake pads on a 3D printer... and they turn out to be faulty.  There will be some manner of oversite emplaced - like the FDA, or USDA.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you want a set of legos, print your own. If you want them slightly larger, but not as large as those crappier Big Blocks.. print your own'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '3d printing as a means of personal production is still a long, long way off.  The manufacturing sector is likely to die off before we get a 3d printer in every home.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'duplo®'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well obviously some materials won't be compatible and organics won't work - to an extent'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can get a 3d printer in YOUR home for the price of a high end PC in the 90's'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet... but it's coming as well... as per earlier comment... they are already using the tech to print replacement body parts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yep, may even have the ability to print organics... interesting future'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and to make food (the latest development in the food arena is 3d printed pizza for NASA)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'steak for dinner? ookay... '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose there will always be a divide between real and fake... Turkey Bacon, anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can currently print stem cells for research, but they aren't there yet on full-on organs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they can do skin'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but in the short term the fun will be in the small stuff. I need a bookshelf that's a certain size and can't get it at walmart'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not that I buy books anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I could print out some books to put on my printed bookshelf'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'curiosities and novelty will drive the early development for more serious stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or real bacon.  They can already print real steak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've taken agronomy, animal husbandry, and grew up on a farm.... I have yet to find a chart, reference, or cut list that shows exactly where the "bacon" cut is found on a turkey.  I think it's fake =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stuff like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/3D-Printed-Skateboard-Wheels/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet if they took pains to not advertise the product as 3d printed you'd never be able to tell if was not grown on a farm in the traditional sense.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe the demand for plastic-based raw printer material will drive up the price of petrolium for Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, screw plastic, I want carbon nanotubes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'So you can get the same effects as asbestos?  There's a reason carbon nanotubing has been put a hold on - it produces the same results as inhaling asbestos.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah well it can't be ALL good :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the IRS scandal is headed to a special prosecutor'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'white house admitted prior knowlege, and stated "we were preparing to announce it"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we going to see President Biden?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Magic Biden and his special alzheimers' powered approach to defending your home from intruders with an unloaded shotgun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody worships biden'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if Obama goes down, he will declare himself king, and the ghettos will empty by the millions with AKs and 9MMs to fight for him'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets cast the net a bit wider: Is there -any- democrat politicians that aren't retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not likely'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats don't believe in gun ownership, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I was under the impression that 90+ % of politicians are retarded anyways :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'da ghetto has da nines, bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is statistically true, krache, but at least in the other camp I can pick out one or two that at least pay lip service to the ideals of governance'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do literally mean 1 or 2'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which out of several hundred isn't great odds'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and for the hell of it: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'WTH?  Terrorists in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe the bs'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yelling "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth - alah alah acbar!" as they kill a british soldier?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a crazy deed anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with knives and hatches!'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's murder, or possibly a war crime depending on how you look at it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but essentially murder, but definitely not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... open your eyes... it is terrorism... if not, then there has never been an act of terror ANYWHERE'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'multiculturalisim ftw'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it meets EVERY definition of the word "terrorism"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't meet any of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicaly motivated?  CHECK.  Violent?  CHECK.  Intimidating?  CHECK!'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Cammeron said there are strong indications it's a terrorist incident'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Cameron*'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cameron would sell his sister if it got him a vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the evidence that it was politically motivated?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'probably he would require 2 votes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know, that's what he said.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's some muslim nut taking retribution for perceived crimes against his muslim brothers abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'screaming "an eye for an eye" and yelling pro-islamic slogans, and pointedly killing a member of the british government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army cadet is not a representative of the british government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they attacked the british government - POLITICAL'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so everything is now terrorism then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is too.  just as a US soldier is a member and representative of the US government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok, TG... tell me what IS terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does it even exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. he use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real terrorist attacks are extremely rare'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Coershion", "Violence" and "political"...  terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bombing of the Tory Party Conference in Brighton was terrorism, as were the IRA bombings'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that they were'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and so is this'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what was the agenda behind this attack?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to sent a political message to the rest of briton - "we're going to keep killing you"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's drawing conclusions without facts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'until you remove yourselves from affairs in the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's what they were screaming'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or were they just kiding?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'attention seekers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a big joke?  is that what it was?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reports i read they were just shouting "praise be to god"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold with violence, but if it was an eye for an eye, aside from choosing a pathetic target, i can't say i blame them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't blame them for deliberatly killing an unarmed person?  hacking him to death with knives and hatchets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i said and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you said "if it was an eye for an eye.... I don't blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry... "I can't SAY I blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm pretty sure that if China in some parallel universe bombed the shit out of the USA and invaded, killing over a million civilions, you'd see americans go after the chinese forces too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If only that soldier had been armed *smh England*'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i did think that, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is that kind of act EVER "blameless"? '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not blameless'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however you cannot consider it in isolation'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these attacks are happening, these sentiments exist purely as a result of Western foreign policy dating back 150 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate please explain the difference between "I can't say I blame them", and "blameless"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot seperate that'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wasn't alive 150 years ago... neither was the guy who got hacked to death'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you voted in the guys that made the decisions'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't vote 150 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who gave our governments a pass are complicit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know what you are getting at... but regardless, I am still waiting for you to justify "I can't say I blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame those muslims for hacking the guy to death, it doesn't justify the killing of an innocent civilian, but teh fact remains, they felt justified for doing what they did, and their feeling of justification was conferred by western foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AFK for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if we truly want the spiral of violence to end, then we need to be the ones to make the first move'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and probably stopping these nuts from settling in the country might be a good idea, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... "they felt justified" I'll go along with that.  now... the "western policy" issue - I can tell you with some certainty that it has never been the policy of the US (and presumably the UK) to deliberatly kill defenseless people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'unless there was a very good reason?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'please site a policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drone strikes, iraq invasion'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9/11, 7/7'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me one law or policy in either the US or UK that calls for killing incocent on purpose?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drones are for killing war targets'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you target 1 'terrorist' in the knowledge that the strike will kill 50 innocent non-combatants, that is a policy for killing innocent people on purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are launching that strike in full knowledge that it will kill innocents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. and it sounds crass, but if the decision to strike is made with the knowlege that innocents will likely be killed, the "purpose" they are being killed for is to kill a very bad target... it is NOT without purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's a lazy approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, you are such a master debater Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now we have moved from "purpose" to "justify"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by that same logic, just nuke Afghanistan, then there won't be anyone left to fight back'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we lock up the entire public, then there will be no crime'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will be crime in the jails no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... but that would be counter to the over-arching objective:  a free and stable Afghanistan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's see then, you are justifying killing dozens of innocent people to target one 'radical', who himself is a target because of his actions in response to your own foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's analogous to repeatedly shoving someone in the back, tripping them over, and when they fight back, shooting him dead, and his entire family, and anyone else who happened to be in the area at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Look...  for WHATEVER reason (150 years old or not) there are thousands of people in the world that will not rest until every American, Brit (includeing you) and JEW in the world is DEAD.  Shall take measures to prevent that?  or would you rather they accomplished that goal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you leave them and their country alone, then they'll have less opportunity to harm you, and that anger will start to disperse'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bit of a catch 22 though, they want every American & Brit in the world dead because the Americans & Brits keep bombing them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Chicken and the Egg really.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because say "we're sorry" isn't going to change squat... they will still want you dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, cuthburt'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Just because someone shout "you started it!" and murder someone doesn't make the act blameless'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west need to show some leadership and STOP'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop supporting the dodgy Saudi's, and the dodgy Bahraini's, and the dodgy Jews'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Agreed. Peace is born when one side has the courage to drop their weapon first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what we have here is a 'mortal contest'... the difference is that the west does not want to kill all the middle easterners... where as the middle eastern radicals want to kill ALL the westerners (and jews)... makes for a pretty lop-sided play field'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those middle east radicals are small in number, and only grow in number because we persist in fighting them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left alone, their numbers would dwindle'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'War isn't won with guns anymore, Von. It's won with PR. Right now the radicals have SOME moral ground to stand on. If the U.S stops bombing, suddenly those 'freedom fighters' become loud-mouthed schmucks that are attacking a peaceful nation; THEY become the media-demons, not the West.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it only takes a few of them to blow up a butt-ton of innicents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'innocents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention the gigantic economic benefit to us for pulling out'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Saint Cuthbert person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need to pull out of the area, and stop supply weapons to Al-Quaida in Syria, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They can't talk about the big evil western satan, their recruitment drops, they stop getting money and they go back to being nobodies ala the 80's and 90's. You'll never kill them all with force, but you can figuratively starve them into submission through attrition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason we have arabs poppin up in the west at all is because we've destabilised so much of the middle east that it's caused a wave of refugees for them to tag onto'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CB:  you are correct about the PR - there are three pillars to victory - kill the enemy - maintain the support at home - and maintain the good will of the host nation...  right now, the only part of that battle we are losing is the "support at home"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no good will in the host nation'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depending on which nation you're talking about, Afghanistan wasn't too happy with the Americans last I heard, nor was Iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because people like TG spout anti-establishment rhetoric that they picked up on MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason afghanistan isn't a conflagoration right now is because of millions of $$$ that the CIA ship over there to bribe the local warlords'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with the U.S is its military is TOO big. Cut it by 10% and the U.S' deficit is gone, and they still have the largest army in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your numbers are wack, cuthbert ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As it stands right now, terrorists get support because the 'war' is the equivalent of a 12th grader beating up a 1st grader.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take a pole in Iraq right now... the common man.  see that they are quite happy that we were there... and they are quite happy that we are now gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you aren't 'gone', and Iraq is descending into civil war based around sectarian violence'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hold on, Tiger. I checked the numbers once and it made sense, lemme check again so I'm not just making them up :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq ultiamtely might have to be partitioned into three countries around Kurd, Sunnhi, and Shia'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain would have had a revolution had the minority Sunnhi royal family not been propped up by the Americans'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Saudi Arabia makes Iran look like a loving old Granny'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You're right, my numbers are whack. How the fuck did I think that would work when I looked it up last time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the numbers are, Cuthbert, but i know you're in far deeper trouble than that :-)_'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm not American, thankfully :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, vonliege, i'm anti-establishment when the establishment are the military industrial complex. I'm a free market libertarian :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i, i'm from the UK, and we're in just as much trouble just with much less to cut from'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '2012 deficit was 1.087 trillion, U.S Military budget for 2012 was 1.4 trillion. So yeah, I must have seen a T as a B in the deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we spend a pittance on defence, so if we cut it to 0, it would amount to about 1/3 of our deficit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have a pittacne zzq'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... wonder how that happenend... well I hit the 'enter' key, obviously... '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'had that pasted into the command window for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Lois Lane or whatever her name is is being recalled and forced to testify'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you watching Cuvoto?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's what's being aird on Fox ATM... she 'waived' her 5th ammendment rights but making the statement she did'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... it's on CNN, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on CNN, must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only stating that opposite leanintg networks are both covering it about the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so that does lend the notion credibility - if not truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly someone needs to be jailed over this'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and need to know how high it goes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm liking this chick for the fall guy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does seem like that'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which probably means it goes higher'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't just make a "mistake" like that unless it's on purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks was this a mistake, it was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'refering only to her statement today'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the entire scandal'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well her statement today feels staged'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the feel of being deliberate and out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am refering to the fact that she MADE a statement... she said (paraphrase) "I didn't do it - I did nothing illigal - the IRS did nothing illegal and I pleasd the fifth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if she didn't do it and didn't do anything illegal, she wouldn't -need- to plead the fifth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless she was protecting someone'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we can only guess, was it a protest?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry, TG... didn't get to finish my thought back there a bit... when you "Plead the Fifth", it's all-or-nothing.  As soon as she said "I did nothing illegal", she exposed herself to cross examination.  You don't get to get on a soap box and make the kinds of assertions she did, and then not be made to back them up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in that forum, anyway.  I suppose she could say whatever she wanted to at the dinner table, or on the news... '
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some phone users are like the 'entitled' segment of the mud'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since they are on a phone, they feel 'entitled' to help from PC users who can get at maps and resources that they can ont'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mind you... that's SOME phone users... not ALL'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Why people would play on a phone is beyond me, its TelNet or nothing :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got my big dumb univax sitting right here!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Aard is no less gory that the MOST gory of fully animated computer games... it's all in the mind's eye, regardless'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't think of a single computer game where you slash babies'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'True fact.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides Aard'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'the more baby guts the better'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Any game where you kill animal pups.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'QED.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so two baby seals walk into a club ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. I GET that one!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege laugh
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jodi Arias is HOT!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not that we could ever make it happen, but if the US just stopped spending completely for 1 year and raised taxes by 10%, we could pay off the national debt completely.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats what I said'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's if our current (plus the additional 10%) intake went 100% to the debt, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's not practicaly, clearly, but on a purely technical note, what is the US's tax income per year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bear in mind that your tax income will collapse because you've just made 10s of millions of people unemployed'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet is chopping swathes out of the federal government, returning it to it's original purpose, handing responsibilities back to states, bringing your troops home and making significant cuts to the armed forces, and finally leaving taxes alone, but getting rid of most of the deductions and exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and raise minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama is closing Guantanamo again, I see'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, he's not, he's not closing Guantanemo and blaming other people for not doing it'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and limiting drone strikes, that doesn't sound likely, the man seems to have a serious drone fetish'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is this all because of the IRS debacle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or did I miss something'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's having to react, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, he talks about closing that place about once per year, it seems, always some new reason why he can't do it'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he makes arrests in the IRS, and ditches Holder and Clinton, there's a chance he'll make it through to 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for every week that goes by where he isn't taking charge of the situation, he is further toxifying the democrat brand'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vertical hydroponics is awesome....the future of food is bright.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, ultra ever dry is amazing stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever dry is the ultimate waterproofing....it repels everything, and it can be applied to anything to make it waterproofed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some airlines have started coating their planes with it to prevent icing, and reducing the need for deicing systems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all I can say about Microsoft is THANK THE COMPUTER GODS that IBM didn't go with CP/M'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without microsoft, we'd still be pecking away at punch cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, an alaskan bald eagle swooped down to grab a fish at the surface of a lake, and underestimated its size....the eagle grabbed the fish and promptly crashed into the lake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Global warming caused by man caused algal bloom, creatiing excess food for the fish food chain, ultimately killing the bald eagle'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Its science'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle didnt die....it swam with the fish in its talon to the shore and promptly ate the fish.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Thank god, we will survive global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle carried away part of the fish, and the rest was eaten by a fox that happened by.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Is this a parable or a commercial?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or a parable with prominent product placement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a video that was sent to me from a friend who lives in alaska and was watching from her porch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US Crude taste like CRAP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then dont drink it !'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tried it... went back to drinking good 'ol saudi sweet crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American technology revolutionizes the oil business.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America revolutionized the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd really like to participate in that discussion... but not on the gossip channel. '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there really an "o" in there?  I'd have spelled it with an "e"... suppose I could check'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, prob e'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "o" does sound more ominous, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'deffo e'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looked kinda cool with the o though, so went with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, o is deffo coolor'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, my hometown in Alaska gets 10% of its power from wind turbines now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'guess there is a lot of wind up there'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scratch that, in 2013, it is up to 20%...they added more turbines last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kodiak alaska has a lot of wind potential'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adding more wind, reduced the need to burn diesel, so the diesel generation part dropped in half to 5%'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so basically kodiak gets most of its power from renewables.....wind and hydro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's sickening the number of politians, backed by the communist BBC shouting out that they need everyone's internet traffic to be recorded to prevent terrorist attacks'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because some lunatic nigerian drives into a soldier then hacks him to death with a meat cleaver'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'BBC is communist? '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the BBC has some pretty strong left leanings, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nickname is "auntie"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'ah hmm learn something new everyday :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you look at the BBC every day, look at what they run, what they don't run, and the way they report things, there is little doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'hmm i suppose but most media sources are left leaning well atleast in america (with the exception of fox)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well fox is bigger than most of the others, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'yeah but i think cbs is pretty big too and abc to a lesser extent'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all owned by political monsters'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'haha yep part of the sad downfall of america is the politcal takeover'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you going to do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'me? i dunno run for the hills when the **** hits the fan...'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are a tool - they have no intrinsic power other than that granted them by the Constitution, the American public, Corperate America, foreign governments and special interst lobbiests'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i dont disagree with that but i think they are just as to blame as the others'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In so much as when a "tool" breaks and causes you to skin your knuckles... ya.  They certainly have blame.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I say "tool", I don't neccessarily mean "inanimate object"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'uhhuh '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though some politicians do a pretty good job of imitating inanimate objects'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think a conservative benevolent monarch would be the way to go - but that would never happen in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a better chance of a "red awakening" type dictator.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i just think we need a decent leader (one without his head up his ass)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would propose the the mere act of seeking high elected office disqualifies you - a difficult circular argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know that there has EVER been an altruistic, idealistic president.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i dont think a monarch is the way to go i think we need to cut the bs dancing around pretending like they actually give a damn about the people'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'much less on that wasn't 'flawed' in many ways'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there certainly is a butt-ton of bull shit and dancing'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'well looking for a 'true, good' leader is nice but unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'just a less idiotic one would be nice with strong morals and ideals and Sticking to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'but still its all just wishing the likelyhood of it happeing is very low unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: '(happening)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"If it is to be, it's up to me"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wise words'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, how it is often uttered in annoyance by me: "Oh for fuck sake, i'll do it MYSELF"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'hehe go for it buddy'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't go for it, i'm British, best i can do is hold your american feet to to fire to gee you up to do something for yourselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury P
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury P
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury ( stupid smiles
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's up with the 'bobbies' toting guns?  I never remembered them having guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost just totally 8failed TaminFury. Do they even have a shift key?
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was an armed response unit that took 20 minutes to turn up'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the the fools where still hanging around?  martyrs, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'little beknownst to me, apparently there are now a number of armed units always "on patrol", but generally the most cops are armed with here is a tazer and peppe spray'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wanted to get on tv'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was several minutes of dramitic 'posing' for cameras and phone before the 'armed' bobbies got there'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they achieved their aim, their words got out on all the media'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why didn't the people bum-rush 'em?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't about to kill anyone else, so i guess people just stood around'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's plenty of video of them chopping off a guys head'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and there's plenty of people visible in the videos whatching them chop off a guys head'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... I see the real take-away as being "you can't ban rocks and sticks"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take away the guns and people will murder with knives - take away the knives and people will murder with sticks - take away the sticks and people will murder with rocks - take away the rocks and people will murder with their bare hands... except by that point, it will only be BIG guys murdering littler guys.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so take away the big guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the UK won't get involved, since they're unarmed and would be arrested'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'could be a problem without guns though'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'RV sales have rebounded 72% in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what, exaclty would would like me to refute about that statement, Riz?  are they natural gas RVs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when will the market recover the remaining 28%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or will it stay 28% in the tank?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'RV sales are expected to be up another 30% this year, hiring of new factory workers is insane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what's the distrobution of minorities buying them?  is it comenserate with the demographics of the US?  or is it mostly rich white people buying them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many of those workers are black?  or are they all hispanic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'FEMA just ordered 25,000 trailers for this years tornado and hurricane victims.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are still people in LA living in fema trailers - some are on their fourth one'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'louisiana, not los angeles'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same one...FEMA doesnt buy you a new one every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they give you one they already have'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They 'allow' you to rent one for free for a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I hope they don't place the trailers somewhere in tornado alley'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'watched it on 60 minutes several months ago - some people just trash 'em.. and get new ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After 2 years, FEMA takes it back and sells it to people like me who then clean them up, and rent them to others.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good business.....buy up FEMA trailers for $2000-3000 each in bulk, and rent them out for $300 a month plus utilities in small rv parks that you build.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should plant Victory gardens....destroy the vegetable market in stores!'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RVs are super expensive here, but there, nowhere to go with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can go to France in them :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the food grade plastic buckets sold at Lowe's are made in the USA, and only $4 each for a 5 gallon extra thick bucket.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U0QBD6CXgdo'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"somebody needs to pay for all of my kids"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why I am in favor of paying people to be sterilized.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L792xZTPN4k'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woot, Adam Kokesh got released'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making some strawberry boysenberry syrup.....mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you could get one scientific device for free, which one you'd pick?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean free, as in I don't ever have to pay for its use, or free as in a sale price of 0?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'completely free'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'slaves and all that too'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I pick CERN, then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'cern is so boring'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they only confirm the theories'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not much new stuff just - allright, we were right all along'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'were you expecting someone to say the Alcubierre Drive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'computing.. erm. googleing'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the warp drive, a as-yet theoretical device that seems to be doable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think time sucks, noone has ever proved it actually existed. so, that drive sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'matter teleportation'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who needs a warp drive when you can just beam there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's sci-fi, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you said "scientific device", you did not specifiy past present or future - real or imagined'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe I'd settle for a jetpack... "Where's my jetpack?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not from the movies. too insane'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can teleport photons, but bosons simply "die" thanks to a combination of the uncertainty principle and the sheer number of atoms/cells involved in even the simplest of lifeforms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd effectively be splinched.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have no clue how this all works but i have a hunch that the dalai lama got it right at the first glance: "its a trick"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'high wisdom is all'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean - it will be so simple if you know the trick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "trick" may lie in quantumly-entangled brain-to-brain interfaces.  With those, p2p communication itself moreorless becomes obsolete because what one of you know the others already know.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we are entangled to what we know too well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ2ebs9F1ek'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a perfect trick'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, rendered hog fat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, a 1.7 lb tomato from the greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona is 81 years old....we need more like him, especially in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One Night in Bangkok'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'makes the hard man humble'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, in the new hangover film....bill clinton makes a cameo with the mike tyson tattoo....'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I quit with the "hangover" series of films when they made the baby mock-jack-off'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, San Antonio received a little rain....almost 13 inches in 24 hours.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're up to, what, 13 for the year now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SA is turning into a jungle, 84 inches!'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, feel bad for pabst drinkers, the price is going up 18% !'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brew your own!'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, tasty neanderthal steaks?  New theory says that humans hunted and ate the neanderthals.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if Maryland passed the rain tax.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One of the most heartbreaking results of the New Deal was the destruction of excess crops to justify the artificially high prices, despite the need for cheap food. In fact, many of the agencies created by the New Deal broke up black markets selling cheap goods.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, so we dont have a problem funding 18,000 MRAPs that the military does not need, but the Federal Residency Program for new doctors has been frozen since 1997....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100,000 doctor shortage by 2020, woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Of almost 22,000 U.S. medical school graduates who wanted to be "matched" to a residency position this year, 1,600 applicants did not find one, according to the National Resident Matching Program that places residents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, doctor shortage nothing. Everyone can enjoy computer-assisted diagnosis in 2020'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"doctors" is a self correcting issue... if there's not enough doctors, the doctors that do exist will be offered more money - that will cuase more people to become doctors untill there are enough doctors.  though it will likely overshoot, and at some point there will be a few too many doctors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there IS a doctor shortage, a federally funded residency porgram will just FU the free market correction'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spend the money on MRAPs'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a doctor shortage of 22,000 right now, most rural towns are hit the hardest.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some medical schools in Texas have started offering 50% off tuition in some medical programs to increase enrollments.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with the understanding that you are making an agreement to spend a certain amount of years in rural towns in exchange for the cheaper tuition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ct TOL or Umari'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan on the "...TOL or Umari..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Excalibur dehydrator rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'health care is poised to become an entirely new class of 'entitelment''
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'anyone think the stock market can keep levitating or is it going down in flames in the near future'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Longmire.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, those evil doers better watch out now!  Britain has formed a task force!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'task force for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon all you lucky people in the other 49 states will get to enjoy Texas Banking like we do.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do texas rifles  support healthy banking?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Don't mess with texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like mess halls, and message kits'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should texas starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran slaps VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude throws the holy hand grenade of antioch bac to Dalo yr an.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas is the most likely state not to starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is that a good hrm or a b S.A. d hrm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'bad B) silly spellchecker'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why are Facebook censoring people who posted pictures from the march against monstanto that happened yesterday?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause monsanto has lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Frost Bank, the best bank in Texas is going national.....while other big banks around the country were losing money during the recession, Frost has made a profit for the last 108 years...including every year of the great depression.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How are they censoring? I shared a few march against monsanto pics on my fb page.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blocking access to pages that have photos of the march on. Sporadically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my professers fb page got blocled too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but it was befpre monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quiet weekend, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess Adam Kokesh is free now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep. i censored too many people i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'with the iron fist of fascism'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without monsanto - The world population would be much much smaller... and those that are here would be much much hungrier'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not particularly convinced that total yields are higher due to monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that'd only be the case if the world didn't produce FAR more food than the population requires...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'insecticide and pesticide alone account for butt-tons of higher yield... without them, there would be sequencial years of total crop failures'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a damn good stock to own.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, for now, ethical? no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perfectly ethical.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perfectly ethical if you have no idea what ethics are, or have non'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto has the right to protect its IP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'name a company that over, say, 100M cap/annual, and I will find something to BITCH about over them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It has spent billions on RD for its Roundup Ready seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it have the rights to buy itself immunity from prosecution in government? Does it have the right to buy up nearly all the other seed companies to give itself a near monopoly on seed technology, then make seeds that cannot be harvested for the following year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'unicef'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'spent lots on DDT, Agent Orange, etc as well...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about suing farmers who have had montsanto seeds blow onto their property?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about selling unsafe seeds that are fucking up the ecosystem just because it increases sales of the weedkiller it was designed for?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All they had to do was give up their crop for a fair price to Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Calling Montsanto ethical is like calling Hitler a humanitarian, so i'm calling Bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "all you have to do is give up YOUR property to me"...yup, sounds reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not just compete  with monsanto. get some detergent and some haplo and diplotypes a few bioreactors and some cmv'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wont be a problem in the future though....Terminator genes will take care of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i agree, but hitler did build nice roads'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not around here he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do it like Jurassic Park'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'imagine when monsanto branches  into human transgenics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michael crichton got the idea of the terminator gene from research Monsanto has been doing to protect its seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worse still, EU is trying to pass a law to ban the sale of all seeds except those it approves'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Monsanto products are banned from being served to monsanto employees in thier lunch cafeterias hmmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they can't have you shitting out the IP'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger how can you hate both hitler, and communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism and communism are closely related VD'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not at all, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well thats like saying palestinians and israeli are related'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto has to protect its IP at all costs, otherwise they are out of business....it is no different than big food companies like Sara Lee'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I was unaware facism was considered a type of economy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran, i think its supposed t lo be a political methodology'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It is, VD. Where as communism is not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like hell it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in communism, the tyrants own the means of productions, in fascism the tyrants control the means of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes abe, it is not =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'it is notthe political philosophies that are similar, but the weaknesses of the humans who inevitably find themselves at the focus of power'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit has been called!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Language, Abe. And just because you say it doesn't make it true'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fuck language :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Don't be rude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(debate is curse-allowed) :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and just because YOU say it doesn't make it true as well...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what kind of shenanigans are you going on about?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, the fact that it is what it is does.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i lost the will to live some moments ago, what was the problem again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Shrug. Think what you like.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think chicken soup with rice and a naked ukrainian chick would be nice.   but can we focis on the debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the questioN?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i asked tivernuts how he could hate both hitler and communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well there you go, and i answered'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'there was none. You said communism and facism were closely related.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Which is wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'right, and dalo yr an dissented'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, they're highly related and i told you why'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so its for daloran to show the relation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Actually in communism the people own the means of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except they don't'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'except they do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ruling party'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'owns the means of production'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Because it was a failed implementation of communism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in communism the community owns it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are we talking about theoretical/utopian communism or the type that happens in the real world?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there has never been a successful implementation of communism which kinda ruins any practical application of your argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'There is no other kind, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's never been such a thing as a point mas'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think were talking 1940s russian hungarian and italian communism'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'and regardless, you're still confusing economic types with ways of governing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we are :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wwll thosere the commies that coexisted with hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That is unfortunate. But in which case, well, we can disagree then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'totalitarian/authoritarian regimes should be avoided'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmk. we have an impasse'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, there was no question that we had an impasse, when daloran only wanted to talk about non-reality :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing wrong with counterfactual history!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see why it would be a bone of contention, i didn't say they were identical, only that they had a lot in common'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'They don't though, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And Abe.. It's unfortunate you think that. But clearly a point you're not willing to change your mind on, so no point further discussing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they really do'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'daloran: it's unfortunate that you think that. But clearly a point you're not willing to change your mind on, so no point further discussing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see how well that works? :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Excellently, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'End result is the same.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so pot, kettle, and more bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'End result being me going to get a cup of coffee, and giving 0 fucks. '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay for coffee!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Lol. Pot? Kettle? '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you're guilty of exactly what you're accusing me of'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've stated it, and given exactly the same amount of reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I never disputed that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard day, abe? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, pretty good day today, tiger :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You come up with a good reason for me to change my opinion, you're welcome to try. But unfortunately it's unlikely you'll come up with a case for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and debating with a hypocrite is always fun :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coffee is going extinct......'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ahhhh fucknuggets... I missed the Monsanto debate... my life will never be the same :('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Abe.. are you saying I'm the hypocrite in this instance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but Monsanto will save the coffee bean...or Bayer will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: that's OK, monsanto will come up with a new one'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're absolutely a hypocrite in this instance, you've already admitted it'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Not really, Abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my neighbor has a tomato plant that is 9 feet tall.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should be called a tomato tree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, wait.. is this about Monsanto, Hitler, Commies, or tomato plants?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'debate -h doesn't go back far enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think right now it's about Dal agreeing to disagree, and Abe taking that as an insult? I'm not sure. I just got on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so doing something yourself while accusing someone else of doing it is not hypocritical...gotcha, now I see where you get your definitions from'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's unfortunate considering those two are some of the more reasonable individuals around these parts'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That actually isn't hypocritical at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Politics, amirite?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto created golden rice....it will save Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not politics, it's economics, you bastard!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The politics of economics!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't exist, just ask dal'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I do a lot of things with Dal, asking isn't one of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert strokes Daloran's inner thigh...someone tell them to get a room!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran pets Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert wibbles at Daloran threateningly.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So Abe.. just for my own sake, how do you see this as being hypocritical?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wait wait I have an idea.. why don't one of you present your case to me and I'll judge the lot of ya?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as an impartial observer?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh, way to be 3 steps behind the frontrunner, Onslaught. I've been judging you all for awhile now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hypothetically speaking, are hyper-sexualized socials allowed on debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Your Mom. That is all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I win, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert gets a little overexcited and covers (Overlord) Onslaught in his own frosting!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Apparently they are!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a curse-allowed channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'curse-allowed doesn't mean I can start pawing over Cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I think it's okay so long as she doesn't mind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dal, defend my honour, you slug. >:('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I was thinking this is beside that consideration in any event'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert's a chick? when did that happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '.. 2 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is sizing up breasts for a good motorboat, better hide yours!!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's just that I get so turned on with every insult'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You moan in pleasure as Saint Cuthbert motorboats you!  PRRPBP-PRR-BPRP-BRRPRT!!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Level 116 Female Triton Soldier (Tier 2).'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, my brother's a level 116 female triton soldier, too }:>'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hey I don't judge'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Cuthberts your brother?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: ''Cuthbert's''
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Incestual twin, thankyouverymuch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what next?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bodychecking in Canadian Peewee hockey.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I really was kinda curious about what the "hypocrite" charges were all about'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't called anyone a hypocrite tonight... yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but since no one seems to want to return to a modicum of maturity'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Nah Tiger, Abe. But if he has no desire to answer that's fine too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Everyone's a hypocrite. If we had to act on every belief we have at the same time, we'd go nuts. Humans are walking continuity errors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I answered during the accusation...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Saint Cuthbert person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm speaking to a specific accusation of hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so end it and start with something else'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I fail to see it. Can you elaborate for my benefit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tigernuts, if I lick you will you cure my impotency ala Chinese therapeutic medical beliefs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that stuff is largely bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need a panda penis for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tigernuts, can I lick you anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay new topic then.. here all of you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and tell me why the fuck no one's pointed Tim Minchin out to me before, like, last week?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean yeah I know Americans live in a bubble but jeeeeez'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Onslaught.. I think it's just kind of assumed everyone already knows about him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh Oh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mISUM0qvFTQ <-- No, watch THIS. Debate topic: Is this movie as awesome as it looks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'by the way, the answer is "yes, it is"'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any movie with "borg" in the title is automatically considered "awesome" at the very least'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'possibly better, but definitely never worse'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is Tim Minchin?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The shoeless British singer/comedien.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the name rung a bell, couldn't place him'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he's a singer/piano player/comedian, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'singer/comedian/piano player/guitar player/fashion icon/uhh...tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ginger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Does he actually play guitar? I've only ever seen him pantomime it '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Huh. Neat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'love without evidence is... stalking...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey man, unrequited love is still love.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'pretty sure you need evidence for stalking charges to stick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'dude's been around for years.. just so unfair...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I never cared for him. I saw a few of his bits and he's funnier than most, but eh... I've never been big on stand-up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'my gf doesn't know about me yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well now I do, Greg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'how were they cuth? His bits, I mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wouldn't call what he does stand-up'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's just a mish-mash '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pasty white and fringed with a mighty mane of ginger ticklebush.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'hehe. oh ginger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So come on, Manborg. Awesome or not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I already answered that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'next?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Texas is up to 2.3 million barrels of oil per day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Number One Man will personally off-dub your asskicking if you don't watch his movie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There's oil in dem thar hills!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Riz.. seriously is your fetish over Texas oil an intentionally ironic commentary thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or you own stock or what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots and lots of stock.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I see... so bragging then'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkey stock!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I miss the days where the only bragging you heard online was about how you could pick your nose with your own penis due to its huge size.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can you be serious for just 2.3 seconds?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'By the way, Onslaught.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can pick my own nose with my penis, it's THAT big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so can donkies :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But that small around.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, I just have big, thick, throbbing nostrils.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shivers at the thought of fighting Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, I was "busy" for a second there'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. did you get any on you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well maybe'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkey poo ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Good, good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'snickers bar, large drink and grab bag of doritos!  1.29 at circle k in San Antonio!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it underwater?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'san antoine here i come'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '50% off flood sale.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn. anyone have gas cb money its 398 a gallon for ethanol based gas cb here'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is cb?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'citizen band'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ita what google spellchecker adds when i hit space cb'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'im mudding from the android app for aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if only i could grow my own fuel ethanobotanically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it rained 13 inches in san antonio....where did the water go ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drained away, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absorbed into the soil, evaporated'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i have yeast but no sort of vessel for condensation. sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in SA, trust me it's still here'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'slaught, a friend of mine just moved to s.a.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shes a military wife wi an open marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$7.87 a gallon here btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'omg tiger for real'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wish i had an electric car. i know people on ssi who are strippers that get free electric in their rentals'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i bet i could get full batteries  if i drove em to or from places'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if gas cost that much here.....we would have a revolution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vive le revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'against who and for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas will live again!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rebel without a cause?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't tell if serious'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rebel against hair spray'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and it's driving me nutz.. and you know it iz... so you keep doing it... well played...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'serious about car. chiming in for rizgoths revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not yoo :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also serious bout open marriage friend, and the ssi strippers'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'turns out their tips dont dq them from ssi'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know the meaning of the phrase 'cost of living' until you try and live in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. I still don't understand why this is information you think we need to know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you're trying to get me to come buy a lapdance or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dude. just living at heathrow between flights is pricy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most I ever paid for gas:  Fall of 2011 off the Autobon between Berlin and Munich - $3.55(equivlent)/liter - Roughly $14.00 per gallon'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'slaught no. the ssi strippers are a motive to convert my car.  the open marriahe chick might be your type'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von damn. id just take a taxi'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a lot of taxi drivers in munich speak arabic btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Von.. That's not that uncommon if you're down at the water. Gas prices at docks are rediculous.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most I ever paid for gas, I was driving down the Alcan, and gas was $4.80 a gallon canadian in the northwest territory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was one of those things... couldn't make it to subsidized gas, so had to get 4-5 gallons on the econmy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it was smack in the middle of oktobrefest, so roads were SLAMMED with people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drunk ones at that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for about three weeks there in september, the politzi don't give out DUIs, and they don't ensure compliance with socialist price fixing'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo - hundreds of thousands of drunk europeans all ripping down the roads at 150km/hour looking for gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just found out that Alaska finally paved the road from Kodiak to Pasagshak........20 years after I left Alaska :('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pavement still ends 2 miles north of fairbanks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz free income if you dwell in alasa for a year'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we've had that discussion already'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pasagshak has the best salmon fishing in the State of Alaska......you can see the salmon swimming in the 3 feet deep, 5 feet wide streams next to the road on both sides.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dude i love spoked salmon. its even tastier than b negative'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i'd like this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331066/Six-Flags-Over-Texas-Amusement-Park-Worlds-highest-swing-ride-opens-taking-thrill-seekers-400-FEET-air.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh hey, going back to the 3d printing discussion some of us were having last week, you guys see this? http://www.livescience.com/34613-3d-printing-airway-splint.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'superman'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'onslaught can it 3d print me a carburator?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well probably not the machine which made that one'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'toger ive been watching for that ride to open at six flags for a month now'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'itd be nice to have my car functioning better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but oh well. i is not a mechanic. so nothing to do. the youtube vids talk about things and tools i havent got'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So the feds backed off on Adam Kokesh, he'll be marching on DC with guns as planned:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, should i buy a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhhhh... huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about this for an entrance exam question: "The year is 2040. There have been riots in the streets of London after Britain has run out of petrol because of an oil crisis in the Middle East. Protesters have attacked public buildings. Several policemen have died. Consequently, the Government has deployed the Army to curb the protests. After two days teh protests have been stopped but twenty-five protesters have been killed by the Army. You are the Prime Minister. Write the script for a speech to be broadcast to the nation in which you explain why employing the Army against violent protesters was the only optiona available to you and one which was both -necessary- and -moral- (15 marks)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it was neccesary and mora I'll because without government buildings   people would be consumate teenagers incapable of self rule'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ah haaa, you Americans and your guns. You'd so adorable... from a distance... where I don't have to worry about getting shot like the thousands of people a year that're killed in the U.S by firearms alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but pms never cb write their own scripts. pah'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cuth we dont use need firearms. we can drone strike'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We would use drones'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we give medals for succesful drone kills :-) its like being an ace pilot or being wounded in duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or maybe it helps with the pscychological guilt of killing people by p fee essing a button'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'or maybe it makes it feel all the more overpoweringly awesome'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Putting those Call of Duty skills to work. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like guns, Drones are only a tool, it's how they are applied. With the USA? unethically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mdals for drone kills seems silly to me. what sort of bravery or courage is exemplified by sitting at a computer and rltyping'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hilariously irrationally as well, Tiger. I can't believe people were upset about trigger-locks being mandatory at gun shows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'questors sending m de to drone strike a sixteen year old son of a cleric ? mmk'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'buut. do i need a medal. no . just s lo me qps'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some years ago the establishment decided it was going to brainwash people into being paranoid about guns, i guess you could say it's working'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'robotic arms rotating cabinet is gonna slice lesions  into brains for the establishment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lost me there'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger. google robotic arms rotating cabinet conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'francess dec.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhhh... damnit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course I go afk right before the fun debate on drones... sigh'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dont sigh too loid the drones will hear you'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no debate on drones'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yes. Because drones are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drones -are- awesome, appropriate deployed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The same could be said about anything used to fire weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or perform surveilance'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That's not the drones fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'marines r used to fire weapons'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you think marines have ethics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Marines are also awesome. Though, with higher variability in awesomeness then drones.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Being people, yes, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i do like those swords'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the few. the proid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Adam Kokesh dammit!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if he will sue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'who is the funniest of wkuk you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert raises her hand.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i'd say its the Timmy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wkuk?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whitest kids you know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'u*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds faintly racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but they really are quite white'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist against white people'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im a white christian male! ! !'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmO9GCjCEYE'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, a racist one at that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how so?  what makes him racist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wkuk'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You want to see racist, look up a recent movie called Ooga Booga.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Black guy gets killed by the cops who mistake him for a robber at a convenience store hold up. His soul returns (ala Child's Play) in the body of a 6" tall tribal cannibal doll, complete with nose bone and little spear.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHbIeSmfsI'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok, sound interesting but must write it down somewhere.. "ooga booga" sounds so strange to my white european ears'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I won't say whether it's good or bad, I haven't seen it, but man, if it wasn't a low budget indie-film that thing would be getting protested 24/7.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What I really want is Dead Shadows, but nobodys uploaded a set of English subs for it yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only because society is wuusified, and most folks walk around looking for an excuse to be offended and victimized'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this racism thing. a good intelligent humour is the only way to fight it!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'u are the racist!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no u!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. U'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'U!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'U U U'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i win'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Russia right to arrest people critical of the government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're no help'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which do you think is worse in this respect, Russia or USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'usa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'usa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohhaihwuajijal'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'because russia has obvious corruption. usa has a bunch of weasels'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'citron made weasels sexy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hwuaijijal and VD... have either of you ever been to Russia AND the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have lived in russia'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you have lived in the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you really only have the RT to go off of for your assertion that the USA is a greater violator of civil liberties?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you live in Soviet Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so your comparrison is for current russia, then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine both are similar in terms of violations'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG.. both US and Soviet Russia, Moder russian and Soviet russia, or Modern russia and the US?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, I mean, the U.S isn't perfect but even I have to give this one to Russia. The whole Pussy Riot thing was a disgrace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both target political opponents, both ignore civil liberties when it suits them'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both target or humour corporate interests as per their interest at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pussy riot was a disgrace and adam kokesh wasn't?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They basically made up a law to arrest a bunch of young women for singing a song? I mean, "Hooliganism"? The U.S rarely hands out prison time for political protestors unless they're blowing stuff up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Difference is Kokesh was released, Pussy Riot is still in prison.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US don't tend to do prison, they just disappear you permanently'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm... not so sure about that? You have examples?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Regime critical journalists tend to disappear in russia.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two that jump to mind are Pat Tilman and Andrew Breitbart'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many prominent Americans have been assainated compared to Russians in the past 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Kelly is another notable'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'primarily for idealistic reasons?  Journalist, disidents, etc...?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Russia is WAY more oppresive than the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of people related to the BP spillage disappeared or were murdered'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time there's a big incident which has some form of coverup attached will be present an extraordinarily high murder rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a partial list of priminent americans assasinated since 2000: Thomas C. Wales, federal prosecutor and gun control advocate - Chauncey Bailey, Oakland Tribune journalist - George Tiller, late-term abortion doctor'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he wasn't, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOW here's a list of prominent Russians assasinated since 2000:  Sergei Yushenkov, Russian politician - Yuri Shchekochikhin, Russian journalist - Paul Klebnikov, editor of the Russian edition of Forbes magazine - Akhmad Kadyrov, Kremlin-backed President of the Chechen Republic - Aslan Maskhadov, President of separatist Chechnya - Anatoly Trofimov, former FSB deputy director - Magomed Omarov, deputy Interior Minister of Dagestan - Bayaman Erkinbayev, Kyrgyz MP - Altynbek Sarsenbayev, Kazakh politician - Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev, President of separatist Chechnya - Anna Politkovskaya, Russian journalist and human rights campaigner - Vitaly Karayev, mayor of Vladikavkaz, North OssetiaAlania - Kazbek Pagiyev, former mayor of Vladikavkaz, North OssetiaAlania - Nina Varlamova, mayor of Kandalaksha, Murmansk Oblast - Stanislav Markelov, human rights lawyer - Adilgerei Magomedtagirov, interior minister of Dagestan - Aza Gazgireyeva, deputy chair of Ingushetia Supreme Court - Bashir Aushev, former deputy prime'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no comparison - whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In Breitbart's case "An autopsy by the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office showed that he had cardiomegaly and died of heart failure"'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was that released?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not entirely sure, sometime after 2012 I imagine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'from usa part there is a lot of preaching about.. a lot of preaching. that is something a sane person never does'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that you also think Pat Tilman was killed by friendly fire, you'd have to question the other official responses, like the whistleblower (forget his name) who in a last panicked phone call told of people climbing in through his windows to get him, but apparently shooting yourself in the head twice with a shotgun is suicide'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And beyond Tilman's CO making a really really really stupid comment, I don't see the conspiracy there either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, TN. If you'd mentioned THAT guy, I'd be agreeing with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The other two just seem a little thin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the tilman issue was very local, very poorly handled, and very tragic... but at the end of the day, it was a fratracide event that the immediate supervisors tried to cover up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the official version of the events is still a poor match to the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gary Webb is the whistleblower's name, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardelss - lies or not (and I am positive there are a few lies still being supported), it is a very small event, compounded only by Tilman's fame'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Kelly was the most recent and high profile in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are hundreds of fratracide cases that were 'officially' reported as accidents or enemy fire.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must make it ok then'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Weird. Not seeing anything about the phone call. But 2 bullets to the head is a strange suicide.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If you say it's Ok, TG, then you are seriously flawed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yanks are a little less open about the murder of inconvenient people than the Russians'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost like a game to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would point out though, that the USA are supposed to be the good guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'His actions prior to the suicide seem pretty in line with someone who's about to kill themselves though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're slinging crap like the UK is a big fat rose garden'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA might as well be stapled together afaicm VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lost his job, lost his house in the market crash, complained about being depressed, took his kids out (individually) for dinner and a movie within 2 weeks of the suicide (something his kids commented on being out of character for him) and they all received individualized notes in the mail.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both countries pretend they're epitomes of freedom and democracy, and both are hypocries'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hypocrites*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Now that I can agree with you on. The U.S hasn't been "The Good Guy" for awhile now in anyone but their own minds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the wiki entry is the sanitised version of events surrounding Gary Webb, doesn't mention the death threats, the being shadowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mention testimony from his colleagues and friends'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mention the changes in reporting'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm reading that one right now, unfortunately the guy writing this article comes off like a complete nutjob.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either he was killed, or was hounded to suicide like that hacker fellow not so long ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Aaron Schwartz'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"4. He PLACED (evocative and misleading word) his baby shoes in his mothers shed. To me 'placed' sounds very deliberate and hints at twisted act suggestive of death. Read the sentence again and substitute the word 'put' for 'placed'. Ah, a completely different picture. Assuming he actually did put his baby shoes in his mother's shed, we can only project what it MIGHT really mean--and I think that's the point. He was moving, do you think just maybe he decided his BABY shoes should be stored at his mother's house. After all, baby shoes are a common memorabilia for mothers. Or is it possible he RETURNED his baby shoes to his mother. A shed is a place for storing things one isn't currently using! I think this reference to baby shoes is non- sequitur logically but creates the INTENDED picture." <--- I mean, this comes off like rambling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like most 14+ lessons in English Literature'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or most of the arguments for carbon taxation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"7. Gary's ex-wife Susan Bell states: "The way he was acting it would be hard for me to believe it was anything but suicide." An interesting OPINION, but she supplies no convincing evidence to illustrate what she means by this. If it's based on baby shoes in sheds, notes to family members, or distraught over career prospects, then I'd say Susan Bell is entitled to her opinion. And no where are we told how long Ms. Bell has been divorced from Mr., Webb or if she has remarried. It's difficult to determine just how close and involved in Gary's life Ms. Bell has been, as of late. However, being Webb's ex-wife still gives Ms. Bell's opinions a lot of weight. In fact, I think she's being unknowingly, and unfairly used as a counterweight to any theories or suspicions by others, that Gary may have been murdered. Then factor in the fact that she is grieving."'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haha. http://rense.com/general60/move.htm This is where I'm getting this shit from.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He started out sounding somewhat plausible, but his breakdown of his evidence is a joke.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'questioning how well connected he is to his ex-wife is a reasonable thing to ask'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though one would wonder how he would know any different'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well enough to sign her as a beneficiary of his bank account.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so probably well enough, though that's no guarantee, could have been a next-of-kin thing for the kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, the things that are jumping out at me here are 1) How do you shoot yourself in the head twice with a .38 revolver? (Apparently that was the weapon, not a shotgun)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'and 2) Webb mentioning people hanging around his building in the weeks leading up to his death.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dead easy, conspiracy theorist!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it might be possibel to shoot twice'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The coronor said it's rare but he'd seen it before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'and I quote, ""It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots," he said, "but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility.""'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea reflex or person thought to shoot twice before the first pull'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now we'll never know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGl8ocDWggM'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whoooooa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'This writer just went into full-on tinfoil hat mode.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When discussing the movers who called police after finding an odd note on Webb's door, "But there's more. What a coincidence that this moving company has a nefarious operating profile (based on the above link) that is reminiscent, in some ways, of the notorious Israeli connected companies that have recently been coming under legal scrutiny. My point isn't that the any Israelis were involved, but that moving companies can easily be used as fronts for intelligence operations. "'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any company can be used as a front for intelligence operation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police here got criticised for using dead childrens' id's in their undercover work'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/24/ibragim-todashev-s-father-my-son-was-innocent.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another inconvenient person the feds offed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'speaking of conveniance. what happened to the pizza guy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ahhh, see, now I'm with you on that one. I'm not going to say they did it, but that story didn't make a lot of sense to me either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Why would a guy attack a room full of heavily armed officers!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And I mean, out of the blue too. They question him, he answers, then suddenly turns violent?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'simple, he likes to be manhandled'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The only reason I can think of that someone would do something like that is drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than likely just feds deciding to pop a cap in his head'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well man, you won't get much in the way of disbelief on my part with that one. That story stinks to high heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether deliberately or as a matter of incompetence i couldn't say'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, grape nuts is a good cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'california raisins?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When the spirit of the dog soldier comes for you, will you let him in, or let it be?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: 'o.o'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: '0.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: 'O.O'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Google IS the Government. Discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, score one for mother nature.....a bear mauled to death a murderer near yellowstone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brown bears are great....'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, strawberry iced tea.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, sour chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google glass'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bob Dole should be retired from talking in public'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Kanye West had his event in Texas shut down by the cops'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good for the cops, he is a punk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty fucked up world when black people are allowed to be racist when their own people sold them into slavery in the first place. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, totally their fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop selling your people into slavery :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the main difference between the levels of globalist control between USA and UK is that the UK was far further ahead - they had already jacked up the cost of living, created a welfare state that has toppled the ability of working people to pay, and put in a surveillance state well before the USA, now the USA is playing catchup, and the patriots have a constitution to use as something to measure it against whereas in UK it was like cooking a frog'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my people weren't sold into slavery. we were enslaved as a nation for ca 600 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i'm very white'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my nation is enslaved right now'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dominicans are still selling their kids into slavery, even today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, that's very liberal use of the word'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for reclaiming words back'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, someone commented that you can have a free society, you can have a diverse society, but you cannot have both'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheep cheep cheep'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you prefer a diverse society or a free one, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a rich one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have a rich one'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, then just give me a donkey.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the controllers are allowed to be rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get to be slave'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'noe wants to be my donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't be allowed to keep donkies'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll send swat teams around to confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i am a political donkey'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody will allowed to have partners, only government approved spouses'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that will keep an eye on you and report back any form of dissent'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'marriage is already government-vetted here'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I love darts.....a real sport.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, darts won't be allowed either, dangerous weapons are darts'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/15473-world-bank-insider-blows-whistle-on-corruption-federal-reserve'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, darts.....I also love strapping dynamite onto arrows and blowing up stumps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All you need is 2 forms of identification to buy explosives in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a stump.
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get swat teamed here for buying or even looking up component parts of explosives'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thrown in jail'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should all congressmen/women who score under 50% in the freedom index be barred from re-election?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lowest score was 5% by McCarthy of New York'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'impressive'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lowest Senate score was 5% by C Levin of Michigan (even Dianne Feinstein scored higher at 13%)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is the test available online?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a test, it's a record of the votes undertaken in congress and the senate, and a scorecard of each participant along constitutional lines'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.jbs.org/voting-index/download?id=302_2852523dc7082dca5a39e388346de1e8'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's biased towards constitutionalists, but it's a useful tool as it describes the votes, whether they passed, and for what grounds that bill is considered a plus vote, a negative vote, or a not-scored vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were school test card scores, this would be a retard school'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to kick out the globalists and democrats first'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that, there's a hell of a lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will happen when King Abdullah of S/Arabia finally is confirmed as dead?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his son takes over, and nothing changes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his 2nd son is a reformer, but he will never be king.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deb unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What do you think the british royal family would be doing if they had billions to spend like the saudis ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think they don't have billions to spend?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"shutting up about it" would be what they'd be doing'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because the queen's budget is around $30m or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '30m is not $130 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's her public budget, not her personal wealth'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what she is paid by tax payers in order to fulfil her constitutional role as head of state'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crown wealth is 'hidden' under the veil of government, pretending it is 'publicly owned', when really it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to Forbes, the queens wealth is estimated to about 400 million pounds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, re-read what was said :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the wealth is held by independant organisations like the "The Crown Estates"'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which essentially leases crown land to the government in a contract that is renewed upon ascension'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Charles chose not to renew the agreement he'd lose his 30m a year payment, but regain control of the estate'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the one organisation that holds the palaces has a $12bn portfolio'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just UK holdings'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't include commonwealth holdings'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$30m a year on $12 billion is chicken feed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, it was a political move at the time of George III to prevent parliament yoinking it'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'King Charles had already gone through the works of having a war against parliament, so George III decided not having his head cut off was a good game'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is seeking a law that would require automakers to install "black boxes" in every new car and light truck sold starting September 2014. But unbeknownst to their owners, many vehicles already carry event data recorders, or EDRs. The NHTSA estimates that about 96 percent of all 2013 vehicles have the devices. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite the same as, but causing the same kinds of privacy issues as a black box recorder insurance providers are pushing on people to record elements of their driving style'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was a stink with Ford Motor Company a few years back about the 'black box' data.  A car owner had had a wreck that he didn't think was his fault.  he knew about the data recorder, but could not access the data.  Ford claimed that the data was there property, not his.  Courts ended up siding with the consumer, and then sided with him again when the data proved his no-fault.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bono-richard-branson-and-olivia-wilde-making-fun-of-illuminati-conspiracies-in-charity-ad/'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a scarecrow with motion detectors....when it senses an animal, it shoots water out of its eyes at the animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could fit taser bracelets on all members of our respective parliaments, and everytime they vote for something unconstitutional, or just something plain stupid and greedy, WHAM'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(could also be quite fun)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who would you trust to hold the button?  not me... who ever had the button would end up no better than the members of parliment - courupted by greed'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give the button to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'board of constitutional lawyers majority decision'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/40-statistics-about-the-fall-of-the-u-s-economy-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22673156'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snoopers charter looks back on'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are now calling for opting out of the entire federal education program'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, the wellhead price of natgas is $3.34 per 1000 cubic feet.....but the residential price is $9.30 per 1000 cubic feet......All those gas producers should buy up the natgas providers'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then they'd have to maintain distribution'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes business sense to warren buffet...he bought up the largest natgas pipeline/gas provider in the US last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's because he's waiting for the payout on the new planned run'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas prices are down 50% since 2011 because of a glut in production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need more natgas cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and more natgas power stations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the industrial price of natgas is $4.54 per 1000 cubic feet.....the lowest price in decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas power is currently cheaper than coal in the US, one of the major reasons for the drop of 30% in coal use.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power would disappear without huge subsidies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so would the navy'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so would your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so would the democrat party'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has a few good applications though'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, nah, she lives in kansas outside topeka on the 193'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we use solar power on some of our remote fences, saves running the electrivity out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, shooting at, ridiculing, taking everyone's liberties'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never a shortage of johns willing to subsidize his mom'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, solar'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like solar powered vampires'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like democrat powered vampires'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like solar powered donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmnm democrats with ab+ and a nice chianti'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lol. graffiti on pyramid. ding jinhao was here'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama officials say that the UK would probably be excluded from a trade agreement worth billions a year if it leaves the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like to take this opportunity to pass Obama a message regarding this'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like you all to fuck off!
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swivel on it, motherfucker'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I'm sure he gives a flying fuck about your opinion on the matter ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't either, since he'll be long gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if his team said that, then it's pretty clear that the free trade agreement isn't the goal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or simply that the agreement talks are with the EU, and so it would cover the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there's no need for such comments'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on what was asked'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest wind power provider in Texas sold out of 500 Kwh options in a week, and currently has a waiting list for additional wind capacity of 900 Mwh of wind power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK being part of the EU is part of the US-EU deal, and we leave, what do we care if the EU-US deal fails as a result?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK leaving the EU isn't a deal breaker for the US-EU deal, then why comment on it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if he's in negotiations with the EU, and someone asks "If the UK leaves the EU, will they be covered", then his response of "no, they won't" is quite warranted as a response'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he didn't say it's a dealbreaker for the US/EU deal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at least not as you quoted it'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"EU exit would put US trade deal at risk, Britain warned" is the headline'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, that's the proper thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly UK would be excluded, that's not in question. The Guardian is a pro-europe left-leaning paper, so it's not surprising they're posting bullshit headlines'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love wind power, and would like to see it expanded in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love bacon'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"if I have an agreement with union X, and you are now in union X, then you're covered...if you leave union X, then you are at risk of not being covered"...nothing wrong with that statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing pigs breed quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the headline said'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, it is what was said (and is pretty clear reading the very first paragraph)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, but anyone reading the news front page and not reading the article itself will see the headline and get entirely the wrong idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has to be put into the context of Obama whinging at Cameron for even considering leaving the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not part of his masters' great plan of a single world government'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love u-pick orchards and berry patches.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've got lots of those around here, go there often :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up about 50 lbs of strawberries for $1.00 a lb here....getting too hot to do upick though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'whats too hot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '90 F'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'ah. i still go out then as long as its not humid. i just do a shorter trip'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'my biggest issue is driving to multiple orchards to get all the different things i want. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a few farm shops that charge a premium'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'short growing season, lack of space, so people buy cheap imported tat from abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too many pesticides on that crap though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for a large portion of the UK it's the difference between being able to afford to eat, and going hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'well, i can go to the farmers markets and get everything but picking off the vine/bush/tree is so much better'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just installed a greenhouse in my backyard....going to use hydroponics to grow lots of stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and be swat teamed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you are dreaming, :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds use hydroponics outlets as a seed for places to raid'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you wont be'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DEA raided a family doing the same thing in their basement, on the mistaken belief they were growing weed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instances of it in the news every week'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, knowing you're a gun owner, they'll bring the heavy dudes'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one, you can see everything in my backyard from the neighbors, 2, I dont use grow lights, they are not needed, 3, I know the local sheriffs quite well, 4, chuck norris is my neighbor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka laughs out loud at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well best not be rude about your feds, else they'll still raid you'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the local sheriffs aren't the issue, it's the Feds.  They don't care who you are, if the datapoints suggest you are engaged in an illegal weed-growing operation then you are engaging in an illegal weed-growing operation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're a gun owner or a patriot, you're down for special beatingz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my goal is grow 1500 lbs of tomatoes this season.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'wow. make a lot of pasta sauce }:>'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and sun dried tomatoes, blts, and donations to local shelters that offer cooked food, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and perhaps sell some to neighbors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they depend on that nifty new software package that works like the Minority Report network.  They get to hack into anything that maintains a documents online and can look for patterns that suggest illegal activity (for example, a sudden jump in electricity rates).'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'how many varieties are you looking at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, charging Chuck Norris is never a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a friend sent me a packet of 200 seeds with 10 different varieties, but she wont tell me the kinds....so we shall see!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'hrm. thankfully you can tell once they are ripe'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'putting 2 plants in each 5 gallon bucket, 10 buckets for this first group.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus other buckets for greens, peppers, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taterz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone needs taterz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, growing potatoes outside in the raised beds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you grow taters in 30gal totes'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 2 4x100 foot raised beds for potatoes, and some other veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i want a raised bed :-( and some railroad ties'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also started some strawberry plants.....60 of them...building a vertical growing system for them....4 plants per bucket, 3 buckets, 5 towers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'golden alexandria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i am planting some in a pot this year. but i love the overhead idea. tending to them as a kid was a pain...we grew them in the ground. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think vertical growing is the future of farming personally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has some limitations'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'my friend just created a vertical pallet garden. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but people have been terrace gardening for millenia'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like raised b reds but plant above a strainer, baset, or aluminum mesh, makes harvesting easier'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, Ted Cruz must really have the democrats worried, they're running attack pieces on him personally: http://washingtonexaminer.com/mainstream-media-scream-matthews-calls-cruz-face-of-the-wild-nasty-hard-right-fringe/article/2530567'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Beverely (in massivehugetits) canceled it's memorial day parade citing cost, yet burnt over $30k hosting a concert for an American Idol contestant'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, now an Illinois teach is in trouble for telling his students about the fifth ammendment as a warning before they were given a survey from the school that would pry in into their misdeeds surrounding alcohol and drugs. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130525/news/705259921/'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should give the guy a medal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Tiger... Doesn't apply.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't apply?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill of rights doesn't apply to kids?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Actually, no. It doesn't. Not on school grounds, it's been ruled before in cases of illegal search/seizures'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a good reason not to send your kids to school, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Also, I don't think the fifth ammendment would be relevant in this case anyway - That tends to only be for police/legal preceedings. That being said, The students aren't obligated to be truthful in that example anyway. Not under oath'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Nothing really at stake'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on how it is being put to them. If it is being made out to be a mandatory survey for which there are repercussions for wrong answers or non-answering, then i agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all depends on how it is being sold'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Either way, if there was any wrong doing on the part of the teacher, it wasn't in informing them of the fifth ammendment, it was in being (potentially) mistaken as to its application in this instance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'As I'm not a lawyer, I couldn't really tell you if it was applicable or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can bet your arse that they didn't shout at him because it was misapplied, more that it subverted their muckraking attempt'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes, I'm well aware.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have gay surveys like that when i was at school, and they knew what kind of response they'd have got if they gave them to us'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'gay surveys? To see if you're a homosexual?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternative definition, db'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'so it was a happy survey?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a sensde'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sense*'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah.... that word you keep using? It doesn't mean what you think it means.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what struck me as bizarre about it is that that kind of monitoring was a state requirement, and worse still, it was provided by an external company. Is Illinois school department that screwed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like how I use my language, go create your own :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Oh no, It's rather I just quite dislike bigotry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you being bigoted now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigoted is a horridly overused and misused word :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have a habit of referring to someone as bigoted on the basis that they disagree with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most famously, then Prime Minister Gordon Brown got caught on a live mic leaving the scene of a meet and greet calling an elderly working class woman he'd talked to (and someone who would have voted for him) a bigot'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more widely, it's a term used by the extreme left in politics to refer to anyone who is to the right of Chairman Mao'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wow the news said some nut wants to march into dc with guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'looks like england is being mean to muslims lately'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i only hate english muslims'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like the cure's song about killing an arab?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i only hate english muslimsl'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'derp'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the cure was an english attemp at music'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Attempt? Man. Most N. American musical history owes itself to Britain's music scene.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about the peregrins,or television?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if rhubarb will grow in Texas.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if I made a small climate controlled greenhouse.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, a guy I know grew 138 bell peppers from his 5 hydroponic plants so far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack!  seed crop failure on my fav bell peppers!'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a tomato called bloody butcher....'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not the same as the original... they pulled a "coke classic" on the seeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'burpee pulled them for about 3-4 years, then reintroduced them'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they have chaaaaanged'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like zombies'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2-3 lb heirloom tomato ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unlikely.  unless it's a prehistoric variety of some kind'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, news article today suggesting US weapons systems designs compromised by chinese cyberspies'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the chinese haven't been manufacturing all of the advanced electronics for the world for the last 10 years anyway, duhhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their kids all trained at our top universities, they do all the manufacturing, you think they could make some decent weaponary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I saw a news story this morning on RT that said UK is pushing through legislation that would require a photo id, and that you be 21 to buy ANY edged item... from a hatchet to a fingernail file... what's up with that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they've been paranoid about knives for years'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also fake nails'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the british version of gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you break the law inadvertently every time you leave your house here'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, student with boom microphone causes lockdown because fuckwits think it's a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are your thoughts on EU lifting the arms embargo on Syria and Russia sending the regime anti-aircraft missiles?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing wrong, really, with giving terror groups resources to use against us later.  It's what makes the world go 'round.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it definitly falls on the non-US side of the issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i liked the hypocritical way some commentators and government plebs were decrying Russia's action, but Russia is right, it's to "deter inervention by other countries"'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's long overdue for Russia to grow some balls on the matter of Syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a flat-out proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Russia and the US were already intervening, perhaps other countries as well.  Just because you can't send stuff to country X doesn't mean anyone's gonna cry foul if you send it to neighboring regimes friendly to you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not being sold as that though, clearly :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw this about obamacare the other night and found it amusing. Dunno how true it is though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSQlr6nb28&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'certainly one of the most forced laughs I've seen in a while... ."he... he...... .... he"'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people from kentucky can't laugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have time to watch a 45 minute speach'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's from Iowa'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who, Rand?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't get past the intoduction'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clicked it off'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rand's bit is only like 12 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the gist of the video is that you can be refused service because you tripped over a turtle and broke your ankle.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose... as to wether it's true... that remains to be seen... just like the rest of obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats mulling plans to license journalists'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'awesome, free speech is now a felony in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'HR 347, if you all don't believe me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money cant buy happiness, but it can buy goats!'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not donkeys?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'money can buy people'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'did i mention i'm for sale to the highest bidder :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, during a robbery of a Burger King an employee sneaks out the back and steals the getaway car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, reminds me of one I read in a dumb criminal stories book'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'two idiots went to rob a bank. couple blocks from the bank spotted a nice pickup, easy to hotwire. went to rob the bank, successfully did so, came back outside to find that their stolen car had been ... welll ... stolen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the pickup's owner had spotted his car driving off, sprinted after them, seen them pull up in front of the bank, realized what was happening, waited for them to go inside and reclaimed his vehicle'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I got plenty of those.  One guy used his own stationary (with his name on it, even!) to write a holdup note.  When he gave the note to the teller, she greeted him by name and called the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and two guys went into a bank in STL to rob it.  They almost got away with $150.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then there's the case of a robber who actually managed to successfully rob a bank AND get away with it, but he felt so guilty about it that he returned to the bank during the investigation and turned himself in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get ready for higher electricity costs.  175 coal-fired units are expected to retire by 2016, pulling 27 GW of capacity offline, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about "get ready for higher electricity costs because the price of stuff just goes up"'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I also do not hold with homosexuality, though I do recognize ones right to exist.  As long as one does not drap them selves in it and use it to define their entire existence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT was a super miss-chan!'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess no one watches this channel anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I heard everything you said.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well thank goodness... at least the channel still has life'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and I agree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern cars are shit. discuss'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should Vonliege be burnt at the stake for harbouring homophobic views?'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cellphone pioneer Motorola announced Wednesday that it's opening a Texas manufacturing facility that will create 2,000 jobs and produce its new flagship device, Moto X, the first smartphone ever assembled in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Google buys motorola mobility, and now they are moving their US cell phone manufacturing to the US....wtg Google!  A first step in moving all their manufacturing back to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'it seems to be a growing trend - looks like outsourcing wasn't quite the deal the industry hoped'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where they can pay higher wages and the world's highest corporate tax rate on selling phones to their low rate international subs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Google is going with a more country of sales type manufacturing....it makes sense....it is cheaper in the long run, and easier to do RD.  Motorola phones made in South Korea are sold in Asia, phones sold in the US/Canada would be assembled in the US, and so on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also helps that manufacturing energy costs have dropped 50% in the US in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very clever....using an adapter to allow the use of paintball co2 tanks in the sodastream machine.....$3-4 co2 refills compared to $30-60 buying the sodastream tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US Dept of Agriculture announced a High Tunnel Pilot Study Program. Pending the approval of your local NRCS office the US Government may fund a high tunnel green house. Different states are providing different funding levels. The funding should allow your to purchase a maximum of one large high tunnel green house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, here in colorado, that's gonna be a real popular item.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I am putting one in at my house....going to apply for the grant to pay for some of it :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, can states provide zero funding if they want?  Because I'm guessing a lot of states would.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would some states not want to do it?  Promoting greenhouses to grow food is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'lots of green initiatives that are "good things" have failed on the state level'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'at least in my part of the country'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(the south)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They work in Texas just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The environment is for hippies! More state funding for gun collecting!'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'there's huge pushback from my state when federal govt tries to promote things like alternative fuels'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not saying this is really the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but still'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I support legislation allowing for permits to carry multiple concealed automatic weapons at once. It's for hunting, of course, deer travel in herds and you never know when you'll need a pair of uzis to protect yourself!'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you dont want a federal grant to help pay for a $5000 greenhouse, then dont apply for one. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'heck, my state passed a law last year making it illegal to pass housing laws based on climate change estimates'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'for things like rising tides'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds like something Alabama would do.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salad greens cost too much in the stores...and they are so easy to grow yourself.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you dont have to worry about ecoli'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'all of my lettuces keep dying :('
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I built a 6 plant hydroponic system using a plastic tote from walmart that was on sale...the whole system cost less then $40 to build, and after a week, the lettuce plants are 4 inches tall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids who are traumatized over a gun-shaped poptart need a good whipping, just because.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you hear about the Logo gun incident?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LEGO'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably, is that like the Hitler teapot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was last week... kid was playing with his legos on the bud ride home from school... one of the legos was a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to SERIOUSLY question the wisdom of entrusting my children to an institution is REQUIRED to utterly fail when applying judgement to the issue of guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah really, we are raising our children to be absolute pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you realize... it is all part of a much larger plan... This whole anto-bullying campaign is a huge ruse.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the truth is that schools NEED bullies... the entire world is filled with them, and with out that aclimatization in schools, children will grow up to be completly incapable of coping.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right about now I can see the value in bringing a knife to a gunfight.  You can just yell "Gun!" and win the fight automatically after the authorities spring into action to bring down the terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... the system wants schildren to be dependent on the school to protect them - and to sove their "bully" problem... that child , when grown, will naturally turn to the government to sove their problems'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's up with my "L" key'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As someone who dealt with "bullying" I totally agree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how did you deal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You have to learn to stand up for yourself. You can't look to others to protect you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but what did you do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I whooped a little ass, maybe got my ass whooped a few times:P'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sounds boring.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VD... that's the POINT!  every situation is different, and requires different steps... that's what you have to LEARN'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i went to their house and got invited in by their parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is that bullies aren't looking for a fight. They are just looking to dominate another person. Once you take that away from them they back off.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug. '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think  ullies just wanna have fun. like girls in madonna songs'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wildkard Just wants your lunch money
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they had just gotten new carpet so i had to take my shoes off'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and he couldnt bully people with his parents home'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it was interesting. they had hot pockets, some kind of jello with powdered topping'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'orange jello at that... '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if hed bullied me again after that  I wouldve just gone back :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'as pointed out each situation is different - often you find the parents of bullys are just as difficult or more then the child'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they have a lot of denial'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah i didnt notice that at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'denial so what. they had jello.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the bullies friwnds/ audience thought it was  funny id ate at his house'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'man. i miss grade school. stickers. tootsie rolls, and book orxers'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats awesome Vampdoo'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'they just turned down my boundry exception request so my grade school son gets to look forward to metal detectors, random searches, and an institution that hades stuff so not to be seen as a troubled school'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wildkard hides
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'his older brother gets to go to the nice school because he is grandfathered into the choice program before The Obama administration had their way with NCLB'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does your child have something to hide, Wildkard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not homeschool wildkard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why can't they just do what Texas is doing and allow teachers to conceal carry if they choose to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, let em paddle kids too? teachers arent there to be enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'he will have to hide his intellegence if he goes to the district school'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wildk or do the homework forother kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can they pick up intelligence on a detector?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '$$$'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'vamp - my thought is to home school, just have to talk my wife into it and she is very nervious about the idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I hate the "do you have something to hide?" fallicy. I guess I got to let any cop search my butthole at any time because if I oppose I must "have something to hide"'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that was bait.  I don't hold with it either'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, death, in my country we have a nifty 4th amendmant stops that'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'I'm more concerned about the need for all of that, plus i went to register him, the place is a giant turd'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'and i talked to someone who subbed there - they told me the kids are uncontrollable'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is, cops can talk uninformed citizens into giving up their forth amendment. There is no law that says that police have to tell the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wildkard its a healthy sign for a democracy when people dumped in a school like that seek redress.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, really? how bout perjury'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A traffic stop on the street is not a courtroom VD'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, rens gestae'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A cop on the street can "say" that you have to present ID or he can "say" that you have to allow him to search your person or property. They do it all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, give me one example of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'even with rens gestae. If you get scared into letting a cop search you and he finds the weed in your car. The fact that the cop was dishonest is not going to matter in court.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'An example?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'of course it will matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DeathSyte - what country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The US of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I mean if you consent to a search of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if a LEO "bullies" you into allowing a search, it is an illegal search - chances are that anything found in the sear will be inadmissable... if not.. get a better lawer'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if he lied about the circumstances, how can you believe him about the ownership of the contraband'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A cop will try to threaten that not consenting to a search gives them "probable cause" to search without consent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it ends up being you against him... witness are always handy'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is the beauty of filming every encounter with police.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a popular tool is to dial 911 during te encounter and let them record it'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Never heard that one before...'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I suppose that would work though'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if someone threatens me, i feel threatened.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'None of this is a problem for me so far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also, why not just avoid having weed in the car'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the best way to be free of the law is to obey it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right VD, I pretty much never have weed in my car and I certainly never smoke it in a car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so, basically, you just dont like cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But I have stopped a cop from finding it by not consenting to a search once. Because it is my right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was just typing a comment about that - guy complains about metal detectors and a crappy school... AND complains about having pot foind in his car... glad you clarified that =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, a simpler method.... its not my car, im just a  passenger'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather quickly disproven with the registration... then you ARE in crap... lying IS proboble cause'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I hate the state of law enforcement in this country. I don't hate cops on a personal level unless a particular cop makes me feel that way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, registration isnt important without positive id. also, registration doesnt prove ownership, or that you drove it. ie designated driver night'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Cops are trained to be bloodthirsty law bullies and treat everyone like a criminal/terrorist. '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn i like the sound of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, where do i enlist. i want blood'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So even if you are a good person who is a cop. Everything about your training is trying to make you an asshole.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'QP's are too easy to get now-a-days.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'On average, Sheriffs are always far more tollerable than city cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sherrifs are louder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'girl texting me. bbl'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Sherrifs tend to use discrecion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'drinking too much coffee is now a mental disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Of course it is, lots of things are going to be a mental disorder. Then they can take more Californians guns away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can we just take the Californians away instead?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Where do they go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay! Syria now has russian anti-aircraft missiles'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pwn those bloody jews'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/036611_James_Stewart_Bounty_Hunters_Ventura_county.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, wrong url'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6rFEFG0yicI'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police fighting firefighters in Spain'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6rFEFG0yicI calling for a probe into the murder of Ibragin Todashev by the FBI in his own home'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the one in Spain. It looks like the firefighters are having some sort of protest?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyone  got an opinion of domainsbyproxy , or their ethical greyness?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmnmk. guess ill ask again when rizgoth is awake'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn ive actually been to their parking lot... my insurance agent was cat a corner'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'buuut, they seem to shield scammers, not just nice people... so i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is transdnieper still a country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wonder if news will break of an attack on the russian depot of s300s that they were thinkin of givin syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I think they should give them a depot of s2000s instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Sports cars for everyone!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'porsch eh nine one one ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'man the dictator had some laughs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfJDyxoOso  - the citizen's guide to surviving police encounters '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peak oil is going to destroy us this year!  oops..found 125 billion barrels of new oil off Brazil's coast....sorry, will try again next year!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'plus uruguay takes the cup'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Martian Manhunter Vs Rand al'Thor after the bore is sealed meat in a dark alley who wins?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rand. he weaves fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'rand cant channel after the bore is sealed but can change reality with a thought'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to replace it would cost around $12 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'll need to define a pronoun for me to have a chance in hell of guessing at what you mean, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even without oil, things wouldnt be hopeless....we can create tons of oil from algae, and plastics also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as humans walk the earth, they will require energy.. as long as humans require energy, industry will provide it.  what ever'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but we can find more efficient ways of doing things http://liquidr.com/technology/wave-glider.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice boat - this is efficiency as well:  http://www.manbeerlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/thomas-edison-beer-helmet.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IC1011....the largest galaxy ever discovered.....about 6 million light years across......'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers at the Ohio State University have discovered a new process that takes the energy from coal without burning it -- and removes virtually all of the pollution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I can play....  burn the coal.. call me when I can get the burn-free coal for 1/10 the priced of burning coal'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a new blond haired monkey has been found in the Congo.....must have barbie dna.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder if you could roast the blond monkey over the 'burn-less' coal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps, but wood would probably be wooder, er better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal use to produce electricity is dropping, but residential use to make hot water and heat, is growing....10% growth in 2010.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, $4 for a 40 lb bag of wood pellets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, smart clothing is cool.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont bother getting sick in the future, or needing help of any kind...only the platinum class will get the care that allows them to survive a 30 foot fall, or other life threatening accidents, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Mayor Bloomberg hadn't convinced you already that he was a complete fuckwit, then he'll certainly convince you after this: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22469246/bloomberg-medical-marijuana-a-hoax'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is this like a problem solving flowchart?  "Mayor Bloomberb is a F*wit"... True, proceed to end.  False, watch the video.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you think he is already or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and more oregon being shit: http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/30/military-vet-faces-charges-for-firing-warning-shot-at-suspect-trying-to-break-into-home/'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you don't need telling this, VL, but there are still some idiots out there who doubt it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/30/rate-shock-in-california-obamacare-to-increase-individual-insurance-premiums-by-64-146/'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's 64-146%, not $64-$146'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if '''
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone ever hear of magnegas ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's what comes out of my butt after eating burritos while reading a magazine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funny mood today, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some kook decided to call his process of using an arc welder on sewage to create a new form of matter called magnegas :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt it basically electrolysis, except highly inefficient ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'almost all legislators or elected officials privately admit that obamacare is a failure, is unworkable, or at the very least, will cost more than it should... the trouble is that too many of them are tracked into the rut, and have to back it till the bitter end... even if it ruins the country'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes. it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he says the new matter is carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.....hello, that magnegas is hydrogen!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar method used for generating hydrogren gas for h2 fuel cars, though they do it using solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so it continues: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/29/Obama-To-Sign-International-Gun-Control-Treaty-On-June-3rd'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger thats old news. check out the new worm in the united  nations vita tool'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a link for me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the tool or the worm?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news story will do'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, dunno if it is in the news yet. ive been ircing :-('
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the UN vita tool?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its a language script to comfort human traffic victims and get simple answers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how does a worm get into it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'runs on windows. free download for law enforcement agencies and first responders  worldw ui de'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dont ask me. im not a programmer. im just a vampire.. with sunglasses and a hawaiian shirt'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what you are intonating, is that it is REALLY a clever method of data-mining?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just wondering why anyone would bother, not like it'd give them sensitive data'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, in a sense, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose if it's a proper worm, it can venture out into other areas of an agencies system'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best it could do it keylogging'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california senate approves background checks for ammunition purchases'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time for californians to start making their own ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'straw purchasers vs background checks. who wins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the prison industrial complex'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think I will go fill up my car with magnegas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fill my car up instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VD.... use granular sugar.. it REALLY makes the car go!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'think makers mark in my fuel tank would hurt my engine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the SCRAP HEAP!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your car has bullet holes, it will leak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, its cube sugar that wrecks a tank'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'funny story bout a clown from blue rapids kansas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sugar's sugar when it comes to wrecking a car engine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not true. he dumped 3 cups of granulated white sugar into m buick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'never any engine problems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASCAR is switching to 100% ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'had it checked by the dealership, they assured me cube sugars the bad kind'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'got free donuts at the dealership.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'aldehyde mothballs wreck a fuel system too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, ethanol sounds flammable'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but id love to run on an ethanol kit.  you find me one i can afford?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can run ethanol at 20% in any car...just replace the soft rubbers with hard.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'uh. i dont see any rubbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shame your parents didn't either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its carbeurated yo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic, how to tell if a trollop is minty or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lick it and see'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. but what will your husband say'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all new cars can do 15% ethanol now, and some that are multifuel can do up to 80%'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, mine is 79 model. not new'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all gasoline sold in the US is now at least 5% ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i know someone selling a cummins diesel multifuel, but its outta my price range'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can run straight vegetable oil in a diesel.....diesels rock.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, are you there? or just copypasting like druzil?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all diesels '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, except for VW diesels. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've burned vegetable oil in a jet-turbine engine before'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, welcome to the nofly lost'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lols. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mercedes and VW diesels use that new urine stuff to reduce emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was an emergency'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz what can i do to my car so it can use ethanol?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'truth is.. a jet turbine engine will burn near about ANYTHING heavier than #2 diesel'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and just short of raw crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, what about tar'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's be beyond crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using veg oil in diesels depends on the type of injectors'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it isn't solely a brand thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet a jet engine could run on straight texas sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger. no injector. carbeurated'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the orange kind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can even "stretch" a lighter fuel with waste oil if it's a REAL emergency, but at some point, you need to accept that when you're done, the tax payers are going to have to buy you a new engine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably fine then'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know someone whose used hydraulic oil, heating oil, all sorts in his diesel box van'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or an overhaul'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a general rule though, modern computer controlled diesels won't like it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diesel box vans are great.....turn em into mobile apartments.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger mines not a diesel though. its regular'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then use petrol :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz yeah like a rolling metal coffin'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger petrol, not ethanol?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gasoline is the toxic waste of the oil business.....rockefeller used to dump it in the rivers at his refineries to get rid of it since there was no use for it, and it was highly flammable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz... so... my car?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go buy new rubber hoses to replace your old ones, and then fill up with ethanol....simple solution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, don't use ethanol :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll fuck you car up with ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and make sure your gas tank is clean.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not keep the old hoses?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will clean your gas filters every day for a week if you switch to straight ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wont the ethanol clean the tank for me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ethanol will eat all the rubber hoses and seals'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont have a filter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably do'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most cars have 2-3 of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but the hoses are coated to resist such things?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if your car was made before 1995ish'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger, where do i find rubber seals on my nova'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, guv, second hand knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger  the hoses are newer :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consult your local friend classic car expert'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i did. they want me to sell the car to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surprised they are willing to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why, your mom does'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just saw an advert on tv for women protection against pissing themselves. what a strange world'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though only platinum insurance buyers get this treatment.....the show is pretty cool on the future of medicine in 2057.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like using the 3d printer to print new organs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a doctor in Sweden is doing research on creating new heart valves grown from the cells of patients.....his research is making great strides....he can grow a valve, and it works.....it is estimated that the new medical technology will be available for human trials in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes about 3 weeks to grow the valve.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, your insurance rating in 2057 is based on how you treat your body.  If you drink alcohol, you lose pts, if you smoke, etc, eat too much salt, or not exercise enough, etc on and on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neurotechnology is advancing quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'socialism is advancing quickly'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robotic surgery would be impressive though.....a surgeon would do the procedure in a holo projection while the computer controlled robots do the actual surgery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Germany, at the univ hospital in Berlin, researchers are developing a computer aided surgical robot, so far it has worked well on animals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been using surgical robots here for a while now'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about lapriscopic surgery'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one word... SKYNET'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the future, microscopic robots will be doing surgery without even needing to open up the body.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or asking for permision'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we would never ask your permission :)  You are our test animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the drinking water will be filled with surgical and diagnostic nano bots... once they decide that you are bout to have a real bad case of 'fill-in-the-blank', and will cost the social medicine system a butt-ton of $$$$... they will just have a chat with the computer controlled traffic lights on your route to work, and BAM!  Fatal traffic accident.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are simpler ways to do that.....just change the protein structure of food in your replicator.....and your digestive system causes a fatal attack.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'car accidents are too expensive. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'car crashed make a better mivie script'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, in 50 years we are using flying cars....no traffic lights.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 years time we'll all be dead from the bioplagues'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from a handful of the illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup. because that makes perfect fucking sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... fine... the nanobots talk to the overhead satallites, and make one if them crash on you while you're walking your dog in the park'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2057 when you take a shit...your toilet will analyze your poop for abnormalities in your body...and send the info to your doctor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'assuming there are still dogs in 50 years... and we won't have had to eat them all during the great famin of 2028'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that you guys will have trouble exporting wheat this year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been declared contaminated, no-one in the EU or Japan will buy it, and they're suggesting other countries might do the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they say that every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually happening this year. Japan just torched several tons'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, we dont export wheat to japan or the eu.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hungary torched 300 hectares that was contaminated with montsanto seed'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sayin :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/business/global/japan-suspends-some-imports-of-us-wheat.html?ref=business&_r=5&'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure makes tasty bread.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess they ought to have engineered their OWN f-ing seed'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....if you are going to whine about the food...grow your own damn food.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jeez... ya try to feed the world, and they BITCH because the textures a bit off'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitch because it poisons them and the ecosystem, more like'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there is no proof of that anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because your food standards and pollution agencies are bought off by corporate interest'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then who's complaining?  they're all dead, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's tons of proof'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prove the proof.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proof is axiomatic'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop being shit and just boot them out already'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone complains about the food, until famine comes and they die...then they shut the hell up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go import wheat from China if you dont like ours.....chances are chinese wheat is much worse.  Oh thats right, china doesnt export food...they have to import it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... the planets population is kinda like closet space... when you clean out the closet, it doesn't take long before you have it full of new or different crap... as long as we come up with better ways to prodice more food with less realestate... the planets population is just going to keep growing... and it will grow JUST beyond what the planet can support.  No matter HOW good your hydro ponics are, no matter how many orbital hydroponic stations you have, and no matter how many tons of sea algee you can farm... the population will always expand beyond what you can support.  More food IS NOT the answer to world hunger... no more than "More Taxes" is the answer to the USA's debt.  Less spending is the answer... and less people is the solution to world hunger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'fight poverty and population increase can stagnate. Perhaps in the future the population can even be reduced without starvation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has the planets population ever stagnated?  aside from a plague or two, that is?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we've always had poverty and a situation where large familiy size will increase the chances of anyone surviving'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the difference being... the large family ended up being 2-3 kids... because of disease and starvations... NOW... we will feed and cloth as many kids as you want to crap out'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege, look at this video: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't see anything in there that pointed to "prosperity LEADS to smaller families"... I saw where already-prospersous places have smaller families, but that when prosperty comes to a formerly "poor" place, the famility sizes do not scrink accordingly.  they stay large.... it was entertaining, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'poverity and high child mortality has a strong correlation just like wealth and low mortality. Large family size is strongly correlated to high child mortality.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I saw that.  But... once a demographic moves out of poverty, their family size does not shrink'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it stays large'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Well, as long as each woman get 1-2 children the population increase will come to a halt.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, in the first example, it DID move over to the 'lower family size' side of the graph, but the population bubble (the size of the circle) didn't shrink... that does not compute'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Swedes are a bit braindead'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, very smart comment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is totally reasonable for the population to keep growing even while the family size is shrinking'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fellow is certainly entertaining... but I did see him using quite a bit of "statistical slieght of hand"... for example, if you have a data range that goes from 1 to 100, and most of the data is in the 50 area, the chart you show only uses a data range of 49 to 51... makes for much more dramatic contrast.  he used that in almost every slide'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even if the family size drops below replacement, population may grow for a bit due to the fact that there are more young people than old people. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and higher survival'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and quite often lower infant mortality goes along with lower elder mortality, so you have old people dying later as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the answer then, using  Hans' data models, is to stop supporting the poor places and let the "large family size" preform it's function.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is your purpose for doing that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF poor families have more children to ensure survival, giving them free food will not let the "large familiy" have the desired effect... giving them food will interfere with the whole point of having a large familiy.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that to a certain extent, but i don't agree with giving food aid'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless there is one-off emergencies'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Another thing that reduces family size is education and job opportunities for women'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i.e. if she can do something more helpful to the family than popping out kids -- if she has a job -- she has fewer children overall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'emergencies are a completely different matter.. you have to help in time of need... but not when the "time of need" spans decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and spans generation after generation, like it does with the American welfare model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also quite a lot in favor of charities that improve local subsistence agriculture in a sustainable way -- for example, spreading improved roosters around a country to improve the local poultry flocks. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, not as bad as teh UK model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'NOT, on the other hand, in favor of giving tractors and machines which require input (like gasoline) and spare parts which people are unable to manufacture -- that just makes them dependent on us in a different way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not giving them patented self-terminating seeds?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, fuck monsanto and their bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they need improved seeds that they can re-seed themselves to try to get them more independent, not something we need to keep supplying'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that TED talk was interesting, but doesn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It gives some ideas how to approach the problems we have in the world related to overpopulation for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tells us where we are and how we got there, enlightening maybe, predictive no'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we can't learn anything from history you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i said'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that's not what he said at all... debate penalty'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to stop paying people to have kids, make adoption trendy, and stop penalising people for being single'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to make large families untrendy so that the braindead liberals have smaller family sizes'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TN, while I concure... how do you export that sentiment to the corners of the countries that need to hear (and adhere) it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, glass parking lot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is deal with it on a country by country basis and isolate countries who go mad'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i,e a limited form of isolationism'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've avoided the "political" angle here, because I didn't want to cloud the larger issue of "world hunger"... but let's zoom in on the USA where we have generational welfare and poverty... and also, where I might add, being in poverty doesn't really mean much - you're not going to starve to death.........'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, a lot of it is culture - you have a culture of welfare and view having kids as a "right"'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, having kids and having them paid for as a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have massive immigration'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Should we not have the right to have children?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you dispensed with the immigration, chances are even with little else going on, your population would stabilise. In the UK if it weren't for immigration, our population would have been largely stable o th e last 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have the right to make everyone else pay for your excess though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In the USA, there is no insentive for the plitical machine to reduece large families, because that equals more voters down the road - if people on welfare out-breed people who make there own way, the trajectory is inevitable - the person who promises the handout will always win'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the socialism takeover model, vl, why do you think obama wants to legalise 30m illegal mexicans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worked well in the UK too'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But we don't have the right to healthcare and social saftey nets like Social Security and foodstamps/welfare. I agree that those things are not rights, but we do have those programs and we have them for many reasons ranging from good to despicable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're privaledges, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given by a caring society'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the answer of "do you have the right to have children?", I will answer - No... if you can not support yourself, you "should not" (but do ) have the right to create more welfare dependet children.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see those programs localised'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semantics, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference between what i said and what you said is 0 in practices, just yours can be put in a negative light more easily'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have been hearing a lot of people saying that we have a "right" to healthcare refering to Obamacares plan of forcing us to have health insurance. Many liberals are just taking things that they want and then slapping the word "right" after it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the woman i saw on youtube news clip - 15 kids on news telling the people "someone needs to pay for my kids"'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah, it's on it's head'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural result of big government, we've had national healthcare here since 1945. As people pay their taxes, they now feel they have a 'right' to the healthcare, which is an issue, because even if they haven't paid in, they still think it a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big issue now it's being rationed based on cost, people (me included) feel rightly agrieved that i can't get healthcare that i've paid for'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original american model was better, with individual doctors and communities providing care to those who couldn't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was charity and altruism, not a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is I have been paying in and I don't have an insurance plan myself. That will change of course as it is not my choice anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are a natural end point of socialised healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the answer, but on health you're far better off with the old model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with population reduction, isolationism is the only thing that works'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you want to get into the horrid realm of forced abortion, maximum family limits, or bioweapon release/glass parking lots'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support freedom, i don't like any of those ideas'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will start as simply as the case of Angelina Jolie.... she had the gene for a really bad breast cancer - 85% chance that she would get it... so she CHOSE to have her boobs lopped off.  In a socilised model, it will not BE your choice... you WILL have your boobs lopped off.  Period.  If you don't you will be personally financially liable for your medical bill when you get the cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's still a choice'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if early pre-natle testing indicates that you have an abnoral pregnacy - you WILL abort the unborn child, or shoulder the entire cost of child birth and care.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'A tornado depends on a pretty complex set of conditions to form, and to continue to exist... I think a proper city would cause too much of an upset to the air currents for it to sustain.. I think It would come apart as soon as it hit a big down town... there'd be damage, but only on the edges of town'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do the rest of you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'don't know what to think'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Downtown atlanta got hit pretty hard a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya it did.. forgot abotu that, and I was there... busted out alot of windows, but no structural damage to speak of... not to big structures anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Atlanta_tornado_outbreak'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that one building had about 1/3 of its windows blown out... '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, it was a whole bunch of little ones.  don't think there were really any massive ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a cluster'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe we'll see what happens in a few minutes... wouldn't want to be there, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'these things really sucks. cant do anything...'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the media started naming winter storms this year... maybe they should name tornadoes'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooops.... people fleeing OKC have turned the interstate into a parking lot... directly in the path of the tornado'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the want a new car?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. lose a car, gain a cow'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'last year we had a weird rain. lasted for 5 minutes and flooded the streets. never ever seen this before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wasnt like shower but more like waterfall'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like someone just dumped a huge bucked of water on your city? lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the last full size robotic vehicle race.....5 out of 23 vehicles finished the race without human help.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Riz, that's pretty impresive'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and it took years for honda researchers to be able to get their robot asimo to walk....apparently it is quite hard to walk  :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, making rolling robots is cake, its the balancing on two legs is whats a beast.... lots of calculations going on there'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....bigtime math...something our brains do extremely well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'anyone won the X-piraze yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'asimo can even walk up and down stairs now'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'X-prize* typing while eating seems beyond my skills atm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Now if only honda could make rizgoth a robot donkey'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adaptive robots is just around the corner....then everything will change....'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'honda researchers programmed asimo with 4 options on how to do something....and based on the visual cues the robot sees, it makes its own decision on how to do the request asked, such as taking a bottle from a moving hand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Training the robots how to steal now I see'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol just checked out the asimo web page thats pretty crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Asimo has come a long way'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would like to have a conversation with a robot'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Without predetermined responses'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'next thing ya know youll be able to send one of those robots to work with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'err worf for you'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the asimo robot has come a long way...slowly...but the technology is advancing fast.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I want a robot to be able to build buildings just by looking at an architect's blueprints'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'make an asimo dog walker :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sure we'll get some robot helpers at work eventually, but just like any new technology we get... it will be kept under lock and key so we don't damage it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a whole new industry of robotic maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'robots to stock self at store during the night act as cashier durring the day '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only a matter of time until robots are capable of more than the human brain'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'next step is to train asimo version 1.0 to crate version 2.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new asimo can run 3.7 mph on a track.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'um in some aspects they allready are'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is 3.7mph = 9 kph?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In some aspects, they are, but not totally'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, unless we figure out a better battery....the chances of autonomic robots is not likely....asimo has to be recharged every hour. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how long does it take to charge asimo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just have stationary tasks and mobile tasks for the robots so they can take turns'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have to keep them plugged into power'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wireless charging maybe depending on the application?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep like for cashies and stockers ... cashiers charge  and then switch with stockers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'advances in wireless power would help though.  We could replace all those border guards with asimos....*stare*'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You could.... but like I said, we wouldn't use them because they're afraid they might get dirty or broken'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or if there is a way for the battery to be snapped out and replaced...'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US Military version....waterproof, dust proof, and strong :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you could have a pair of asimos that do batery swapping'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Would there be a robot to do the battery replacing!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we could just use human controlled robots to do things, like the unmanned aircraft we use now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'UAVs are incredibly useful at work'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what about Wave Glider'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those things seem pretty cool too'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unmanned voyage across the pacific ocean using nothing but wave power for propulsion and solar to run its data sensors'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well i thought the Wave Glider was pretty awsome'