T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep i killed the chan :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a wave glider catching fish in my pond.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm canned wave gliders'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap efficient solar power is the holy grail of energy.....which is why energy companies and govts spend millions on its research each year, but what we need is a major breakthrough in efficiency for solar to be par with normal forms of energy production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whichever company discovers that or a feasible means of fusion power will be very rich indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are it will be Germany that discovers it....they spend the most money on solar power research, and 70% of the solar panels are tested in Germany at the largest solar power research center in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why would you need oun to catch fish out of a pong'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pond'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'quantum dot technology is being utilized in the german solar power center to create nanocrystalline cells that harness all the light in the spectrum....increasing solar panel efficiency from the current 14% to 75% or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'real men have solar panels at 110% efficiency'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an 80% efficiency solar panel would be revolutionary.....the energy production industry would change overnight from depending on hydrocarbons to clean dependable solar power'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'will take a while for the switch still'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an 80% efficient solar panel could also solve the power issues for the space elevator :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol a space elevator that would be a major feat'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many square miles the base of it would need to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about the size of an oil rig in the pacific ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon nanotube technology for the tether.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and its going to extend what like 1200 miles up'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems a little more feasible to make a huge magnetic gun to launch stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, using a laser to power the elevator on the carbon nano tube tether makes more sense.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a high efficiency array of solar panels to collect the laser light is a damn fine idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could go from earth surface to orbit in 30 minutes, and carry lots of weight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '30 min inorder to go ove 1200 miles'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'means you have to accelerate to over 2400 mile per hr ... im a bit lazy to do that calculation'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox 38000 km altitude.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '36k rather'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea low orbit is like 1200 miles'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'imagine a laser based internet system of zepplins floating around the planet....hundreds of them, if not more...using lasers to transfer information.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'make sure that you crew the zepps with non-smokers...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unmanned zepps :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They took our jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lake chad in africa is almost gone.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, flying from Europe to Australia in under 4 hours.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 2090, West Antarctica starts to be habitated, with the building of new international cities since most of the ice has melted.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Hi guys, "I read twelfth grade" ,what does that mean ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'can anybody tell me'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'whoever wrote that didnt pass grade 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I want to know what the meaning of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yes....the new MRE's have slim jims with caffeine infused in them.....beef with a buzz!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ask the person wh wrote it and it probably means 12th grade like in matric or ending with school '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'oh, thank you'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one meat stick has the same caffeine as 1 cup of coffee....and the MRE's come with 4 of them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'soldiers will soon all be killed by taking too much caffeine'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah so the ones who survive war can look forward to a life of PTSD and diet related illness.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing beat spam as a war staple :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Selling many SH cloaks, portals and  equipment (incl raided), check out: http://bit.ly/SHskins.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an updated estimate as of 5/2013: The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) has estimated the Eagle Ford - Texas field has recoverable reserves at aprox 10 billion barrels of oil.  That is 2x higher than the bakken shale in north dakota.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Underneath the groves that make southern Italy the worlds second-largest olive oil producer, geologists have found Europes biggest onshore crude oil field.  An estimated 1 billion barrels of recoverable oil.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think people should have to pay more if they fly on airplanes with their young children.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'I disagree. Children should be rated by annoyance first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'The more annoying your kid is, the more you pay.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'If they are annoying little plebs then throw them in the blender with the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it should be retroactive....if you buy a ticket, and your kid is a terror on the plane....you get charged 5x the going rate. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the cline shale in west texas looks promising for new oil reserves.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sun has enough fuel for several billion years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'come up with a high efficiency solar panel :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Has anyone done anything with thorium yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'there was some hype a while back'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't even care about efficiency, just cost'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar PV is a commercially viable technology, it's just limited in which energy usage it can replace.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'efficiency isn't all that critical when the "fuel" is free and unlimited...you can't exactly "waste" sunlight'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'efficiency matters as much as cost, utilizing most of the light from the sun would be a major breakthrough in power generation from the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't, riz, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not only that, but it would make certain things feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hunting down every source of oil on the planet seems like a waste of time to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont tell the germans that efficiency is not important...they are spending tens of millions each year on its research, and they are making breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course efficiency matters, but only as far as how it affects cost. If you include all costs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone spending money on something doesn't make it important'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't impact solar viability in the least, so it's not important'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, not that hard to hunt down shale oil...it seems to be almost everywhere....they even found a billion barrel deposit under southern italy, under the olive gardens.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for terrestrial uses, that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A billion barrels is nothing, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is to italy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will double their production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing times 2 is nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they produce about 110,000 barrels of oil per day right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there ARE uses for higher efficiency in space, but for down here, the only thing preventing solar from being a bigger force is production cost, efficiency plays no part'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for local use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if efficiency is 0.000001% or 15% makes a difference. But 15 or 20% makes less of a difference.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'riz: do you assume oil is an efficent energy source?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abe. You know I adore you, but aren't those kinds of different words for the same problem? High production costs create a poor return on investment given current effeciency levels? It's not that the effeciency is poor, it's that it simply doesn't match the investment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, it's an unlimited and free fuel...0.000001% of a zero-cost fuel is still 100% cost efficiency'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not zero cost though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert: no'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the fuel cost is, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert blinks innocently at you. 
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but I care about the system, not one component.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and what if prices stayed the same, but efficiency was doubled?  wouldnt that be reducing the cost per watt ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'besides the cost and energy lost in the extration of crude oil and the refinement process when you burn oil its not very efficent process'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If all you want is free solar power, go outside.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if you want to use that power for something, there are other costs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high end solar panels are around 14% efficient right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but 14% is not efficient enough to build something like a space elevator. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, if you could get a solar panel which had 1% conversion efficiency but which cost pennies to manufacture on a reasonable scale, it would be absolutely pervasive and a huge success'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '1% is efficient enough to build a space elevator'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  the size of the array would be HUGE'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need efficiency, you just soak up more sun'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At that efficiency, we could fuel all of our energy needs with just a tiny fraction of the earth having solar panels.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the space elevator doesnt use sunlight to fuel the elevator, it uses a laser on earth to shine on the solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you highly underestimate the amount of power being given off (and the current arrangement of arrays is simply wrong :P)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a highly concentrated laser'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a space elevator isn't going to happen in your grandkids lifetime, so it's truly not worth discussing in a discussion on energy sources'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a NASA engineer has already proven his ideas, it just costs too much to build right now, and carbon nanotubes are not quite ready for use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, solar panels in space sending power to the earth using laser or microwave would be cool, and efficient, but that's game B.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For now, we have to stick with what we have to replace fossiles, like PV, wind, hydro and nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idea is to have dozens if not hundreds or thousands of the elevators...you cant have huge solar arrays powering them, it would reduce the number of elevators.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you need so many elevators?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high efficient solar panels would remove the need for huge arrays.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont ask me, ask the future people 100 years from now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so you are just making random statements?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idea is that getting into orbit would be so easy and plentiful that colonizing the solar system would be easy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure.... still don't see any connection with solar panel efficiency.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'based on research of a NASA engineer who came up with this version of the space elevator.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, with a high efficiency solar panel, it can absorb more of the laser's power and propel the elevator faster and easier.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Idk what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm interested though, what's going on in energy that might help to make energy more plentiful in the near future?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can make multicolor panels that have really high efficiency. They are much more expensive, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, with a laser, you don't need that....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You get high efficiency automatically.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as you have efficient cooling.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and with higher efficiency panels, you can use a smaller array to power the elevator. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But that's the easy problem to solve.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, nanotubes is the big one atm.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can make them, but they are extremely expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We won't build a elevator until long after we have used up the last drop of oil on the planet.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, but how long will we survive after using up the last drop of oil on the planet?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'When will we use up the last drop of oil?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will never run out of 'oil', oil can be made from any carbon source.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that we cannot build any of these things without having oil...it's more than just a fuel'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae oil is promising.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Meh running with the sense of things, he meant oil as in primary oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i could have sworn nano tubes are cheaper to produce than titanimum is to mine and refine'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Oh that's different, algae oil is primary oil too I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Or it could be'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, last prediction I saw was that we have 38 years of oil left at current usage. Of course, in time we will have to slow down usage, because production will not be able to keep up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Problem with algae is the low efficiency of photosynthesis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true, but it can be tweaked'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've seen some promising research into improving the efficiency, but it's still pretty bad compared to solar PV. So, if space is at a premium, that might be a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and oil production is quite high now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae is alot more efficient compared to corn or sugarcane though :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe you could phase shift sunlight into proper wavelengths so that more could be utilized by plants...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Single layer photovoltaic using existing technology has a theoretical maximum efficiency of about 32% while photosynthesis has a theoretical maximum of about 5%'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has 10 known shale deposits of oil doing down to around 10,000 feet...but the shale rock is almost 50,000 feet deep in most of Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to compare, the shale rock depth on the east coast of the US is only about 3000 feet'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess having a shallow sea covering Texas a few hundred million years ago was a good thing.....all that sediment from the north covering up the lifeforms of the sea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'about to post nearest thing i can find to disputed quote going on in QnA'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'ooh that's chancy'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'go on'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:35:50] Abelinc answers 'it doesn't disappear when you're not SH''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:38:04] Skystar answers 'instincts dont help if its in a 189 spell and you low lvl ,kind of cant help at the time''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:40:20] Abelinc answers 'however, instincts in dodge, enhanced damage, dual wield, second attack, third attack, fourth attack will all help a level 1 T9 kill differently than another level 1 T9, which was the question''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'yeah clearly a misread'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'abel is so clear on concepts that people with prior misconceptions often get pwnd cause he states things so quick'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'not that its a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'now lets hope if they still have to argue it out they will bring it here where it belongs'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, sky's ignoring me now...of course that doesn't prevent me from correcting his blatantly-wrong statements on q/a }:>'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Cline Shale is about 140 miles long, 70 miles wide, and 200-550 feet thick stretching through the Permian Basin in West Texas and southward.  Test wells are exceeding expectations and indicate the shale could contain 3.6 million barrels of recoverable oil per square mile or as much as 30 billion barrels in total.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas oil production has doubled since 2005 and the Texas Railroad Commissioner is on record with an estimate that it could double again by 2016 and triple by the early 2020s.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it still wouldn't be enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Man. You really love talking about oil. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil rules :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, he loves talking about natgas and coal as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his heart pumps 40 weight through his veins.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind power :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's heavily invested in the energy industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'an have crappy solar PV is atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of wind farms when I visit family in western new york'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'funny i've never heard him mention thermal solar power'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love the pump'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love thermal solar power.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have thermal solar on my roof, it provides up to 89% of my hot water right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no need to mention the beans, Randal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love wind....Texas is the leading state in wind now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get 1000 kwh of my power from wind each month.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oil has had a slow past 12 months'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'frack it all!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'comodoties in general have been getting beat'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on a strong USD surprisingly'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I guess no one minds that their devaluing the shit out of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is really cheap right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and gold is dropping nicely'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver is the only one that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i finally got a silver eagle :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, love those silver eagles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold matters too ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver maple leafs are nice also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i want a panda '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'collecting gold and silver seems pretty futile in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless it is a hobby'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'naw its good just go small over a very long time period'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or you buy enough to cause the price to jump and cash out'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont produce enough silver to warrant a large increase in purchases of silver.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you invest in them to have cash flow, not growth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually the price of silver will start going back up to $50+'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as industry uses more and more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i bet it gets down to 8 before it goes up to 50'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold just does not earn a % return'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no dividends'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i didn't know there were many uses for silver that gold didn't function better in industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does not produce any thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now is the perfect time to buy silver as it drops.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are over 5000 industrial uses for silver'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for electronics, not that many uses for gold.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold on visors uses in space'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not exactly a growth industry :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gold also helps board trophy wives ala Real Housewives feel better about their wasted potential as human beings, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... bored.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol yea i know like 1 ounce and youll be able to produce alot of visors'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon, microscopic pieces of silver will be woven into your clothes'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why silver?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has antifungal/antibacterial/antiviral properties.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it has alot of uses mainly for cunductivy curosion resistance relectivity and shield from radaition and those are just the uses for standard gold the isotopes get really weird'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it the only metal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, but it is the best apparently'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no gold has those properties as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'especially the higher atomic weight isotopes used in engineering'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they won't be wasting gold on clothing, though, as long as it costs a couple grand an ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when you can add $1 of gold to cell phones, and make more profit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're gonna make cellphones out of concrete.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most silver comes from mines as a byproduct of the mine extracting something else....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like copper'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or zinc'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so if zinc or copper prices fall, silver production drops quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and demand for silver is much higher than production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm supply normally does equal demand tho'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in the case of precious minerals.....recycling makes a big dent in supply :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'recycling of silver jewelry is about 25% of the supply, with production in mines at just over 50%'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rest is provided for people selling bullion, and govts selling also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont forget platinum and palladium'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the idea of investing long term in "percious metals" is folly to begin with just look back to history'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, back in history...the economy was paid in gold and silver :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the price of aluminum used to be 2 to 3 times the price of gold and now we wrap our leftovers in the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, aluminum is not a rare metal like gold and silver, and modern refining methods reduced the price quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, back then it was paid in a pen-and-pencil version of credit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'parallels can be draw with many other metals/gems'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aluminium is the third most abundant element (after oxygen and silicon), and the most abundant metal, in the Earth's crust.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and aluminum used to be one of the rares metals we knew about it wasn't until we found new ways of mining it and new locations that dropped the price'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'moving precious metals around was a huge pain in the ass'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold did quite well from 2003 - 2012'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love aluminum....have a boat made out of it....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for transparent aluminum though......'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the point being what we think we know now is most likely wrong what would happen to the price of diamonds if the released the stores that have been collectiong since debears bought 80% of the mines in africa'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'transparent steel isn't good enough for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of diamonds wouldnt be so high if american women weren't so gullible. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, if they were more gullible the price of diamonds wouldn't be so high...CZ FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah baby, it's a diamond'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'their price wouldn't be so high if companies didn't store every stone that comes in and released more then 15% of the gems that were mined let alone the actual store that have built up'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was debeers that created the whole diamond engagement ring bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it DeBeers that did the Diamonds are Forever campaign?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they needed a demand for their diamonds, so they made one during the great depression.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'diamonds have been used for jewelry since before debears existed'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its quite alot of work to get diamonds and cut them '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debeers has done tons of diamond commercial campaigns'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hardly any people bought diamond engagement rings until the 1930s....it was a dying market, and debeers knew it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they had to make it a wanted product.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's DeBeers, Elchie.  If you say debears you might start an epidemic of chicagoans.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'abe:true but once they discovered the large deposits in africa debeers started buying every mine he could get his hands on til he directly or indirectly controll 85% of total diamond production til canada discovered their pipe'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Da Bears!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and there is australian diiamonds too'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'humm not many gem quality in australia'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the debeers company started as a single mine and soon owned most of the veins in africa and those he couldn't buy bought their stones and horded them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada is a large supplier of diamonds now, and Russia is going to flood the world with its diamonds.....debeers is going to go down for the count!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'looks like botswana russia canada angola are the larges'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'incidently, debeers bought one of the bigger canadian diamond mines also...:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'exactly and anyone who has put alot of money into diamonds as an investment will be left wondering why they are now worth 10% of what they were'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'do you see my point about investing in "rare and precious" commodity'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial diamonds will blow them all away though.....they figured out how to grow investment quality diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so next time you get married....get one of those $100 industrial diamonds......no one can tell the difference unless it was laser etched as industrial.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you have to take gold and precious metals for what they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how else would one store value?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'If we all had access to the imm version of gtrivia and started mass producing tokens would you still spend 3mil on one someone had actually earned? moeny as an abstract is a physical expression of the value of effort'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold and silver has had value ever since it was first discovered.....diamonds have artificial value because of a monopoly....precious metals have value because they are useful :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'stocks, bonds, precious metals, cash, land ... etc '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Beanie Babies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the harder something is to aquire or to produce the more effort it takes the more value it has'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'collectible plates'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'video games.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not true riz royalty has placed a high price on gems for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is an artifical value, because we can produce investment quality gems now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'when "precious metals" first became valued was when it was discovered it was extremely rare and hard to find so took more effort therefore had value'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we could replicate gold or silver in a machine.....it would probably drop in value also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've paid about $1000 on my video game collection, its been valued at over $17k ... that's called a good return on investment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert flexes her muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'cuthbert: how hard would it be to go find each of those games right now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends on the game. Some of them? Next to impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and i would not pay more that 1 dollar for your collection'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's great, El. I wouldn't be selling it to you, however. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just making a point that investments come in all shapes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the added wrinkle of the dollar being worth different amounts during that time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on second thought youll have to pay me that dollar to take it off your hands'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if i truely wanted to get those games i would have to weight the  effort and money it would take to find each one individually versus what you are asking for the collection if i deem the balance to be there then the effort = value otherwise its not worth it to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is true of any sale, Rand.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that IS my point'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So we're on the same page! :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor squeals with Delight as Saint Cuthbert Sniggles him!
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course, there's also a huge discrepancy on value given by appraisers vs actually getting paid...lots of appraisers will declare "this is worth xxx", but then if you turn around and say "Sold!", they'll mention that they're not volunteering to pay it ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'qr'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so getting your collection valued at 17k doesn't mean that you can sell it for that'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that any LONG term investment is a silly concept since the effort it takes to aquire it may become unstable at anytime with a new discovry of supply or advance in technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Truuf, bruv!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all those games are probably on ROM emulators by now anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is going to happen to the used video game market when game makers require a new key code to be used for each machine ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(and that's the difference between watching "Antiques Roadshow" and watching "Hard Core Pawn" ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The key is finding collectors. Like any collectable, the average person isn't interested in paying collector prices.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'antiques roadshow gives you the theoretical price...then you see  the people getting deflated by what the pawn brokers will actually give them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'However, a collector of that particular product would understand the value of the product and pay, depending on their dedication.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't bet on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with Antique Roadshow is they're buying it for resale.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Same with all those shows like Pawn Stars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what would happen to the comics collectible market if someone discovered an entire shipment of comics in a storage locker been sealed for 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're going by the resale they think they could get from your "a collector of that particular product"'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Same logic can be applied to the destruction of products though, Rand. One of the most expensive NES games (Woolsworth's Olympics) are inflated in price because Woolsworth destroyed extra copies after the game bombed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, same for misprints'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are we ready for the coming age of Abundance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Right, which is why they offer less than the amount they appraise it at. Say it's worth $1000, they'll buy it for $500 or whatever, then sell it for $900 themselves. A private seller however could ask for the $900 up front.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I worked in a pawn shop for a few years and the basic math is pay 1/4 of market value, then sell for 1/2 - 3/4 current market.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You double/triple your money while staying below market to ensure a good bargaining position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'High demand items you can even push it to just below market. There were a few times I'd buy something for $15, then sell it for $100 easy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'E= mc(imc)2'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'whats the i constant?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in memory computing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the only i constant i remember is the squareroot of -1 and that kinda throws that equation for a loop'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'oh!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Dr. michio kaku'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sorry man getting to technically for me to carry on the convo been up sine 9 am yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear how they retconned away the singularity from black holes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not very good deductive skills eh? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'been awake for over 37hrs now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this game has a serious affect on my insomnia which is funny since i started playing again cause i couldn't sleep one night'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, so if no mayo...how about mustard ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So how about the tucansy airmen or whatever?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'anyone out there mess around with stock market?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Define "mess around". are we talking like 3rd base under the shirt type action?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lincoln's Skeleton for President!'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A government website designed for girls ages 10 to 16 offers health advice and information on a wide range of topics, including homosexuality, anal sex and 'mutual masturbation.''
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to know your government is promoting statuatory rape and paedophilia'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'which website?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'girlshealth.gov'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Information can never be a bad thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who you're giving it to'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'this website is amazing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say it more depends on the  quality of the information. Of course, anything aimed for kids has to be ... well.. aimed to kids.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: '"I think I'll use a plastic bag instead of buying condoms" What a great way to save money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But it's probably better to educate kids about sex than to just try to silence the issue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well government websites aimed at girls isn't the appropriate point for sex-ed, and definitely not for that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'classroom or home is'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I am going to disagree on that. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you would, you're a slave of the state'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'well, if they don't use that site they can probably learn all they need from a nice porn site.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'sex ed in schools varies reatly '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'sex ed in schools varies greatly '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it should'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have any valid arguments, TN, or is it just that you automatically distrust all government stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that isn't a valid argument, despite the fact that's not what this was about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you believe government owns your soul and is the solution to everything, you don't have a point'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You made it about that, by insulting me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't insult you, i summarised in a churlish manner your standpoint on just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you felt insulted by it, it must be close to the mark'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So you think that the web is not appropriate for sex ed? It's not about who runs the website.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'calling me a 'slave' is an insult, it can't be interpreted any other way'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyway, no point in this debate, I'm out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're having trouble interpretting english without thinking it's an insult, then there's little point me being in concerned about not insulting you'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aHHHH he doesn't like my point of view, i'm offended, therefore you're discredited'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia to send nuclear-armed subs to the Med'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a gardener in Alabama is getting over 300 lbs of tomatoes from his tomato plants...and he has the world record for tomato production at 342 lbs from 1 plant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they taste like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as co2 concentrations in the atmosphere improve, tomato yields (in theory) will improve'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton: "Ive heard more from Bush, asking for my advice, than Ive heard from Obama," my sources quoted Clinton as saying. 'I have no relationship with the president, none whatsoever. Obama doesnt know how to be president. He doesnt know how the world works. Hes incompetent. Hes an amateur!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do flies land on screens?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Attracted to light?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. Haha. You mean mesh screens.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'computer screens'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, lights probably it though it isn't exactly dark here'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. Then I would guess some form of attraction to the light/warmth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or they're just obnoxious'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt you'll see western media supporting the activists in Turkey, after all, Turkey is a tame allied Islamic state'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine just emailed me to gloat that his first 67 tomato plants produced 100 lbs of tomatoes 5 days ago.....and another 150 lbs today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can you do with that many tomatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he sells them to people in his town....$2 a lb for heirloom organic tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit pricey'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is really cheap, whole foods sells tasteless organic tomatoes for $5 a lb.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i've just spotted why you have such high poverty rates'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'yes, but they're ORGANIC! :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local farmers market here sells organic heirloom hydroponic tomatoes for $3.50 a lb, and sells out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic means they won't poison you, locally grown means you're supporting your local brethren and will be fresher, vine ripened generally contain more vitamins'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he planted another 100 tomato plants a month ago....and they will be making fruit soon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then he will be drowning in tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, supermarkets flog organic tomatoes for about $3.50 a lb here too'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they are tasteless crap'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is what happens when you pick a tomato when it is green.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's why home grown wins'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher co2 levels will be benefitting him'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer indeterminate tomato plants....it doesnt have terminator genes in it, whether natural or unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plant a tomato plant and keep it alive for years, picking fruit all year round.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that here'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate unsuitable'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greeeeeeeenhooooooooooouseeeeeee'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over the past 40 years, approximately 30% of the world's cropland has become unproductive. During the past 40 years nearly one-third of the world's cropland has been abandoned because of soil erosion and degradation. About 2 million hectares of rain fed and irrigated agricultural lands are lost to production every year due to severe land degradation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, it isnt that hard to repair cropland.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that hard not to cut down the rainforest, either'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult, but not impossible to turn desert into cropland'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and difficult, just expensive to turn it into somethign vaguely carbon-sinkish'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has some of the worst soil around, lots of clay and sand, since the state was covered with water about 200 million years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you can add compost, rock dust, manure, and other things to it, and grow anything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so clearly, in the face of climate change, the 'liberal' thing to do is have your lifestyle ruined, and give all your cash to Al Gore so he can pass it onto his wall street chums'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Although, the cultivable land has been increased by clearing more forests and improved irrigation techniques, the available per capita land today is reduced to .25 hectares (current population of 6 billion)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the needed per capita cropland should be around .50 hectares.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means we need to either make more cropland, or increase efficiency in the cropland we do have.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By 2050, when the world population reaches 9 billion, the available per capita land will reduce further to .16 hectares (17,222 sq feet or 0.4 acres). With conventional agriculture it is impossible to feed the entire population.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what model are you using to predict that population?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently, 9bil is the peak population they're predicting'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally doubt it'll get that high'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone will do something stupid by 2050, or shit will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the only thing wrong to me in getting stats to 600.. is that anyone can max any stat to the same max'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I don't follow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'All races can get the same stats. There is no racial limitation or inrease. A dumber race should not be able to get int for example to 600. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'A strong race like Giant and Troll should not be even with a smaller race or weaker one. They should have the most strength for example.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Ah.  Well maxxing your stats is not something you just casually do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was played out in the different costs to train stats based on race'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted it becomes meaningless at SH and at higher tiers'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'costs are not enough when you can all reach the same stat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no there are exceptional examples of any race and your limits should be imposed by how much effort you put to pushing them'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'that's just a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'giants and trolls stronger than sprites and elves.. period lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think it fair that we enjoy a socialist race-stat environment where everyone is equal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'you said socialist.. so no =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, unfortunately it wouldn't work very well if there were unbalanced races'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd tend to find everyone gravitating to the best'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'either make stat limits random and have people creating 30-40 characters trying to get the best stats possible or we all start with equal footing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'there should be no best.. each race should have something that they and they alone excel at.. so no one would gravitate at one thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'everone gravitates to humans now because of lack of vunerabilities'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not possible in a game with such ill-defined roles'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'No Best?  This is NOT candyland.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'true the lack of deined roles is tricky.. all you have is the primar and subclass'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i shudder to say it, we're now into the realms where some of us have been playing these games since before others were born, lol, been there done that'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the only reason I care is because it will feel to most new players.. and to me.. who might be interested in PK.. that we could be gimped for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'and it might be anti-fun.. but it will take al ong time to even find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new players are gimped in pk period, has nothing to do with race :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'It is natural to have players that are strongs because they have spent more time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'There is also Wars and Duels to help you figure things out death free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'honestly the fact stats play a large role in how effective your character can be and everyone has the same potential and same starting point is the only reason i started to play this MUD over the gazillion others out there over a decade ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't been afk-dragged by the light train, or bought hundreds of stats, you're basically going to be weaker than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. because of that. even though im avid pk. ill never go pk here probably'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in warfare you can discover you are T0.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing short of illegally renting your character to chinese gaming sweatshop for 3 years will change that'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'would it be too much hassle you think to limit pik interactions to those of equivalent tier?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Tigernuts, Muschclient is portable.  You don't even have to leave your computer now! :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easier to just play on the basis of this being a non-pk mud, plenty to keep you going'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. which is what I have to do. there's fun to be had that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'Until I see someone else in my leveling area doing 4x more damage than me and depresses me. =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'And if you want to make it more challenging:  Join a PK clan and just dodge Pks. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor laffs.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'then put forth the effort and time to become that powerful'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kagaho laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'mud is easy to play. seems like it will take many months to know the ins and outs though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'The MUD I played before Aaard was 100% PK.  When I first started I would get PKd daily AND lose experience.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'It was not for the faint of heart.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is true, there are a lot of details with enchanting equipment, lasertag, and knowing the areas for global quests.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'that's how my first mud was.. nothing like being charmed and having yoursel stripped naked to give them your eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have that feature, it's called marriage'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor comforts Kagaho.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kagaho chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'then besides stat maxing.. the ability to beome resistant to near everything how does that affect the pk'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'I see you can wish to be immune to vorpal.. taking out someone's lucky chance for example'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'well good talk minus one thing.. time for anime and hebrew national'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-truth-about-the-stem-shortage-that-americans-dont-want-to-hear-2013-5'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$10 million is going to the creation of cows that belch less.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm fine with this.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'double it so they have less gas, too'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'would be more effecntive if they could fart less'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you're into genetically-modified beef?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'can they genetically modify it to make it even tastier?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'they did its a beefallo'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone's trying to build the mush they used in The Matrix, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should pregnant strippers avoid twirling upside down on poles?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'one asked me earlier, and im not a doctor. but i hear that shaking an infant is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wouldnt matter, but kno ur joking'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'they r well protected in there'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'yeah, you have to punch pretty hard to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Uhmmm.... Idk actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Leading causes of trauma during pregnancy are from motor accidents and stuff, idk if shaking can compare'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wonder if you can grow olives in Texas.....would be a good prepper source of oil to run in diesel engines.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'better to sell and buy cheap used oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'and yes u can if u have water'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'olive growers in TX would be treated the same way sheep herders were treated back in the old West.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how long does used motor oil store for?  I would love to fill up 55 gallon drums of it, and just let it sit in a cool dark place of the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy it, filter it, and then store it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 1 in 10 million buffalo is white.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why did Obama sign up to a treaty that his Senate have already kicked into touch?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that smell a bit of delusion?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, former iraqi president, Saddam Hussein was given the key to the city of Detroit......'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for services to automobile industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox how old is the universe ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on how you define the universe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's widely believed to be around 14 billion years since big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the beginning was nothing. which exploded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, how are we finding galaxies over 46 billion light years away ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something doesnt add up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because we're faulty in how we determine how far away galaxies are'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I would say that room expansion is a huge factor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'How *do* we find how far away they are?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world of relativity'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"how far away are they"? So far that it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970415c.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what I would like to know is...what is beyond the universe.....if it is expanding...what is it expanding into? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the universe isn't expanding...there's no "End of the Universe" sign...'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the stuff within the universe is merely moving'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'think of it as a flat pretend-2d surface of a balloon being blown up into the third dimension'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can still imagine a place in universe that is unaware of big bang. What is there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that takes the fun out of it....just an endless billiards table then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, multiple dimensions'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe is expanding since all the galaxies are moving away from each other, no matter where you are'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'queston is... what are they expanding into?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fourth dimension'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe can be infinite and bound if there is enough mass to warp it into itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dark matter ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fecal matter?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbinger Sammael: 'dark fecal matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The diameter of the observable universe is estimated at about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years),[4] putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46-47 billion light-years away.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence proving the universe is shit!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt that make us around the center of the universe? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'observable universe != the universe. The universe doesn't expand'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what is the two-dimensional surface of the balloon expanding into?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the religious people must be happy....we really ARE the center of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roughly'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe IS expanding and the expansion is accelerating'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is dark matter getting weaker the farther out you get ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's God winding us up by making everything else further away'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or thata'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that*'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dagnir: the universe is not expanding in the least...stuff moving outward is not the universe expanding'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the universe is everything....the stuff in the universe is spreading out from the big bang.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in 2 billion years when andromeda and the milky way galaxy collide.....no star will even hit eachother because of the vast distances.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the parts where the "stuff" is going was already part of the universe before, so it didn't need to expand for that stuff to continue moving outward'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'stuff moving away is not *necessarily* the universe expanded'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the stuff isn't "moving ouward". spacetime was created at the big bang and it's still expanding. the big bang didn't just "explode and spew matter into space"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the stuff moving isn't accelerating, but we're able to see further at an accelerating rate'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'spacetime wasn't created at the big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's pretty much my point regarding "in the beginning there was nothing. which exploded"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're arguing against the scientific consensus'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, Abelinc, this may or may not be true, but what is true is that there is at least one model of the universe with some evidence which suggests that spacetime was created at the big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you have zero understanding of spacetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'everybody has some understanding of spacetime -- hard to operate without it'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'my two year old knows about the past and the present, so I think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and did time begin when he was born?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know what abe has been smoking. we've had proof for the expansion of the universe since hubble'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'don't know, I will ask him this evening'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no we haven't, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, you're confusing "the universe" with "our currently-observable universe"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hubble has never seen a wall in space'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, so the universe we can't see has different rules and behaves differently?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'guys, the bottom line here is that I suspect none of has the knowledge to argue the evidence in detail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, dagnir, but we can't see the whole universe, we're seeing farther all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'swalec is sort of correct, because i'm not sure the sci consensus is very mechanically clear atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hence if we have reach the point of blank assertion, then we have reached the end of the argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but i'd like to point out that abe's point re dagnir's is mostly a clash of definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe, but the expansion of the universe has been observed and proven since hubble'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'dag, you sort of equate planetstuff with spacetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've stated from the start that it's a clash of definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is no great barrier at the center of our galaxy ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no dagnir, it has not'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'abe has the planetstuff very separate from spacetime, which is correct actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '-n 100'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, you're saying that the universe is static, the space is finite and the stuff is just "flying away"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dag: I'm saying 2 of those things'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so in 45 trillion years....everything will be so old and far away from eachother....that the universe will be dark.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'If I put a drop of dye into the center of an olympic pool, is the pool expanding as the dye seeps?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the universe is already quite dark'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence the night'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, there are some realy big dark spots out there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we get light merely because we're very close to a rather-insignificant light source'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cmon, even einstein realized he was wrong about the static universe in the end'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he was also wrong about quantum theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he was wrong about patent #41368'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he didn't want to believe in the randomness that seems to be inherent in universe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cross your arms and nod slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and he was wrong :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Einstein wasn't wrong about quantum theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he was wrong about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'quantum theory is central to the photoelectric effect, which einstein described'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is patent #41368 ? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'random number, being silly because of his "day job"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he tried to fuck up his own theories by implementing the "cosmological constant"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's a patent for turning spokes in a lathe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vost, he was wrong about some things and he was right about others. Funny thing is he is one of the major contriÂbutors to quantum theory but he didn't believe in it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'contributors*'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he was only wrong about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, not the rest of quantum mechanics'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a quite central part of quantum theory I'd say. It's a bit like saying you believe in houses but not in their foundation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, you just dont see govt posters like they did back during WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Grow Today, For Victory Tomorrow!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry too much about the heisenberg uncertainty principle. It'll still be there when we understand the universe better'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chinese unmarried mothers could face huge fines. Women in Wuhan province could be fined $25,000, six times average disposable income, for having a child out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust the Chinese to come up with a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Hmm could you share the link?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/03/china-unmarried-mothers-wuhan-province-fines?CMP=twt_gu'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Interesting, thanks for sharing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: '"[it] only penalises mothers while ignoring the responsibilities of the fathers. It only seriously affects the poor while having almost no impact on the rich. It undermines social fairness."'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Not sure if sincere, but fair enough.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China isn't hot on fairness'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'They are, though, in their own way'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in an ideal world you'd penalise both parents, but they probably realise that only women can physically bear a child, so going after them is easiest'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd brought that law in here decades ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Hmm... your point is an interesting one, not least because they don't actually punish having children out of wedlock if both parents are supporting it... at least I think so, from "An unmarried women who "cannot provide appropriate licences from her partner..."'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'It might be tempting to analyse this from a western pov, but I suppose the more chinese way of looking at this piece of legislature is an amoral response to societal disruption from unsupported kids / infant abandonment'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that is an issue, especially given the child limits and the higher value placed on male children, culturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was reading a piece about all the people shot in NYC this weekend'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usual suspects: Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx. I wonder why it was even news'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not conflicting premises, vakieh, merely incorrectly-used words'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers at you intently. 
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, two guys in masks tried to rob a guy in his 60s here, and the guy pulled out a handgun and started shooting.....the police found one of the robbers dead a little down the road, and the other one is in critical condition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems they picked on the wrong person'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the handgun was registered, and he mad a concealed handgun license.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anywhere else other than Texas he'd be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it reported on the liberal media?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd think man averting a crime and taking 1, possibly two criminals out of circulation without cost to the taxpayer would be cause of celebration/commendation'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK he'd now be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is UK law that you must be the victim of a crime. Someone attacks you, you have to let them'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'is the guy getting commended?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, he'll get swat teamed, declared mentally unfit and his guns removed'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is the american way! god bless obama'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'seriously? then what's the point of all your gun laws?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'oh i'm not american lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i, hence the confusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'ah lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama already signed it, it requires 66 votes'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#dictatortayyip #occupygezi we need support!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turkish?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Yes, Turkish people are in the streets for 5 days. Iam one of the participants for two days. You can't believe your eyes. the level of police fascism here is unbelievable. '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty sure brits know all about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'government controls the media. that's why your support via twitter is essential.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'What hashtag is being used Sjor?  '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#occupygezi'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#dictatortayyip and #opturkey are also used. there are many more hashtags but those are in Turkish.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are the enforcement wing of the fascist government, yes, we know'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1700 protestors arrested in Turkey'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect this when USA explodes into protest'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Exactly. Two protestors have died and hundreds of people are wounded. +18 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL1_jb3CQAEdzii.jpg '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nasty, bullet to the eye?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'gas capsule, they say.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'gas capsule hits the eye.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is getting press coverage here'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect USA administration to come down on the side of the government, though, since they're in bed with the wahabists'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Cnn international is doing a great job. Of course they are only doing their job but it means a lot, given the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty unusually for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're white house mouse pieces, so clearly they haven't been given a talking point and angle to go with from the white house yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it this PM of yours got democratically elected twice?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if he's so bad) or do you have sufficiently numerous hardline-islamicists to screw the country over like Egypt?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Islamisation, control over media, manipulating the votes and number of many other reasons I can say. '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manipulating the votes only really works if the vote was reasonably close to start with'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but this is the fatal flaw of large-scale monolothic democracy'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monolithic, even'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'He is like junior Hitler, believe me. Hitler has also been elected, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i know the play, get into power on a populist agenda, then start usurping power, same thing started happening in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think yourself lucky you never joined the EU, the country would be burning by now had you'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'you mean Obama is leaning towards dictatorship?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would say more "the administration" is, a process that started in 1912 and significantly accelerated in 1992'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and accelerated again in 2000'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the process was considerably sneakier in the UK due to the nature of the government, and started earlier'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has been essentially subjugated since 1066'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting that Iraq came out today with a statement that if Israel breached their airspace in persuance of an attack on Iran, there would be dire consequences. I'm wandering how bad it could be given how they have no significant military capability'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there might be an ammo shortage for guns, but there isnt an arrow shortage for crossbows!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a concentrated beer, a full pint in a shotglass size....just add carbonated water'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like the Feds are gonna start screening and searching parcel packages (Fedex, UPS, etc).  Another package of pot was mailed to some random stranger through Fedex.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pot?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that was probably the fed doing it in order to give them an excuse to screen fedex for pot shipments'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, the mules are getting tech-savvy.  They mail it off to some random address, then they cross the border and drive up to said address to pick it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all very well if this is cross-border shipments, customs tend to search every packet anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's in-coutnry, then it's fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Cristie is a fat bladder of lard. Discuss'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's a real American.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas gov rick perry could beat him in a gunfight duel.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither one's named Dick Cheney, though, so I doubt they'll shoot at each other.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rick a damn fine shot....'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he goes hunting libs whenever he gets a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Court rules police can forcibly collect DNA of anyone they arrest and store on a database, guilty or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'major Turkish labour union goes on strike in support of the demonstrators there. Turkish president claims the strikers are a bunch of extremist terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there are racists and there are normal people. who is better?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'troll-racists don't count now'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whazzup, nuttercup?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just thinking it was a slow news day'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than France doing some typical overhyped hypocratic bullshit concerning Syrian chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the gay marriage law passing the house of lords in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our bevies of corrupticians are working as fast as they can.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU imposes duties on Chinese solar panels. Gee, thanks EU'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'solar panels are nearly obsolete thanks to those nifty energy-collecting plastic leaves.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the leaves aren't even at production grade and they're already a bit more efficient and a bit cheaper to produce.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London police are about to start pissing tax payers money down the drain by targetting pirate websites'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Looks like Hook needs to watch their step...'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or somalicruises.com.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laughable story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22768850'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tryingt o justify it on the grounds of protecting UK citizens from malicious software and other harmful programs that could be found on these sites'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better shutting the fuck up, leaving them alone, and capturing bad guys for once'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but oh, i forgot, they're the enforcement wing of the corrupt elite, it's not their job to protect and serve the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'The Music industry in the states is trying to get permission to ADD Malware so they can lock down computers from people who pirate music.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can have permission to do that provided we have permission to burn their offices to the ground'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually never been their job, Tiger.  The popo are there to keep the peace.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, they are just mad because apple computer was right, and destroyed their cd monopoly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'popo?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'police'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '5-0.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they were originally peace offices'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they still are.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idiots actually figured no one would want to listen to digital music via download.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they're not'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Music Story: http://boingboing.net/2013/05/26/us-entertainment-industry-to-c.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not even taught common law anymore'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are merely workers for a corporate entity, the city of london plc'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, the enforcement arm of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'kinda of just came in during the middle of this, but aren't there independent studies showing that music and games that are pirated actually get bought more?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, Apple sells what, 3-4 billion song downloads each year?  That is more than the music industry ever sold of music discs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially music'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's more disgusting about the music industry is the way it treated that young woman artist who spoke out against them, she ended up in court and forced to undergo psychological treatment'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'part of that is the law/judges not keeping pace with technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, all the major music labels will be gone.....artists will upload their own music on places like amazon.com and sell directly for much more revenue than the labels ever paid them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'the Big Trend now is streaming music.  Apple is negotiaing to have the rights to Sream music, similar to Pandora.  Except Apples wants to allow users to see what songs are next, choose them, control them etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lauryn Hill'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same thing is happening with books.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and almost willfully not updating their philosophies and laws to reflect the current state of what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'e-books are taking over in most sales.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I don't mind ebooks but I personally enjoy having the hard copy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I chalk that up to 35 years of reading hard copies and not digital copies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like ebooks, but if I'm travelling around, I still use the old paperback'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only buy hard copies of books I want to collect....ie collectible books.....the new book from stephen king does not qualify...:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm sure an e-reader/laptop would work, but I find it more convenient at the moment to just grab a book'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a first edition the christmas carol would qualify.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor laffs at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a book is much cheaper to replace/absorb than an electronic device.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I reference my books a lot.  I like going to my bookcase and solving an issue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you reference stephen king books?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, it's pretty easy to tell prior to transaction whether the book is compatible or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'You would be surprised how often a book I have read comes back in my life Rizoth.  No Stephen King specifically.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that sounds almost like a lead-in to a prank call, calling a book publisher asking for help with compatability'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have tons of books on engineering, chemistry, biology, plants, and how to do basic things wtshtf, if it ever happens.....digital books wont help then unless you can keep your ebook reader powered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a chemistry book, you're a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'reminds me of the old prank where they'd call window companies asking for help with installation'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but when it comes to entertainment books, I keep em all on the reader, except my stephen king collection, or the thousands of books I bought cheap from the library.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Thousands of Book? '
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never bothered to count them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has thousands of books so he can burn them to keep him warm'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Ah, he is a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I have plenty of wood bearing land for firewood.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he's not a terrorist (unless he has a pocket constitution among them, or anything to do with american history, or chemistry books)'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 acres of hybrid poplars are good enough for cold climates.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'So all History majors taking a chemistry elective in college are terrorists.  Got it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Nice Rizgoth.  I have some land but no poplars'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars can grow 20 feet in a year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history majors are probably terrorists anyway, if they don't follow the NWO tainted view of history'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching games of thrones from the beginning.....pretty good show.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good books too'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love it when the dog rips out the throat of the guy trying to kill the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn that is a big wall....'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should throw all the liberals on the other side of it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'throw the neocons over the wall also.....let them both duke it out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold continued it's rally topping $1400 today'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flying in the face of central bank and paper traders deliberate attempts to suppress it's value over the last couple of months'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Christie is still a shameful (very large) sack full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's with all the brits in orlando?  1 in 5 people i talked to ( and i talk to everyone i see ) was from the UK.  don't you have amusement parks in the UK?  and what did you do with all the Germans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the hot dog stand actually had "bangers" in the description.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're trying something new--a flood of legal immigrants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while novel in concept.  im pretty sure these were tourist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't say they were staying...'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps we should refere to them as non-illegal, less than permenant, non-indigent economic boosters?  wouldn't want to hurt the wet-back's feelings'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And possibly from network television.'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in answer to Vonliege's question yesterday, Orlando is the most popular tourist location in the USA for British'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Headline: "Dept. of Homeland Security: Laptops, Phones Can Be Searched Based on Hunches"'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'lol what is legaly defined as a "hunch"? They might as well say, "whenever we fucking feel like it."'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you're new to debate channel, aren't you DeathSyte?'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this isn't new information they have been doing that for over a decade'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I swoop in and out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it is new'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were allowed a "cursory look" as of 1986, but as of dec 2011 the policy changed'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/05/dept-of-homeland-security-laptops-phones-can-be-searched-based-on-hunches/'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'hence why I never have this channel on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is an atrocious misuse of the English language :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'try "Thus I nevere have this channel on"'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'never*'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'nevere xD'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ultramodern English'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Are "friendly" and "enchanter" mutually exclusive terms? Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Not too difficult an issue to settle, for there are many nice enchanters around.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Examples include Dexx, Stalemate, Zengo, et cet'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '"A" side taken. Challengers?'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Nobody would be so foolhardy. To go against Dexx is death.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Or no spellups for a while, at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Settled.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Newchange nods at Arnica.
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: '"The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it."'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are going to bring up this topic every 4 years? It's old.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'not like the government controls their own government anyway.. bunch of puppets we know this'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nixon and Bush were uber-abusers executive power, now you complain about Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'they purposely had gw look worse and worse and worse so the country would be open to the "change" and a black president'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and don't forget LBJ'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'even though he's half white.. no one says half white half black just black =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, the bush didn't need help looking bad, history will prove that he was the worst president the US ever had.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'until we get some crazy guy with a death wish that can trick the powers that be until he gets to office.. abolish congress and the lobbyists and do what needs to be done.. nothing but puppets forever'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yes gw was pretty bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I just find it amazing... I'm conservative, but I'm agreeing with a liberal newspaper as it attacks... the most liberal president in recent history.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i find it amazing.. that people still think parties are important and not anti-progress'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humans like to be clubby :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'true that..bunch of pack animals! =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go to any college campus, there is as club for every thing imaginable and they take that out into the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'clicks are in, no doubt about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i only go to clubs with hot chicks.. *nod'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and many are not let in, thus creating an elite. The point of the club.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i learned when i was 12 what our government/world needed.. and I learned it from a series of sci-fi books by Piers Anthony'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the series is called The Tyrant Series. very good read'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I couldn't take too many doses of Piers Anthony :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i took a lot and i liked it.. even though it happened to be one of the most available because of I don't know why.. him and asimov were my first sci-fi reads'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'and goodnight =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sure, but I wouldn't compare Asimov and Anthony. I've read every thing Asimov put out including his non-fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'there was no comparison.. they were my first reads.. and you can compare anything.. that's why its called comparing'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've discover Alastair Raynolds :) You should try him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i will thanks! go for some sara douglass if you haven't yet '
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, comparison is based on the intersection of sets, to compare there has to be something in common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've read Sara'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'not exactly.. and they have lots in common.. but gotta run so going quiet so as to not get pulled into more talk'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'bush worst president in history?  he was bad, but Obama is having more than a scandal a week revealing his administration's abuses or negligence... Benghazi, IRS targeting, IRS waste, DOJ confiscating AP phone records, DOJ naming Rosen as coconspirator in warrant, NSA data mining phone records of entire nation, and that is just from the last 3 weeks!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City had the Best Soundtrack Ever.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No discussion neccessary. It is the best.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really I turn that game on just to drive around to the soundtrack.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I agree, it's the best one soundtrack wise, the one (of all three, VC, SA, and IV) that I played where the soundtrack itself made the game sheer fun'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I prefer aardwolf soundtrack'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'running the remote control helicopter and hearing Al-Naafiysh The Soul, that is VC right there, that and driving the car to Alcatrazz'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'i just finished the latest Dan Brown novel 'Inferno'.......'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a pretty big disappointment'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it read more like a Rick Steves travel guide for Florence'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turns out GCHQ (UK intelligence) used Prism US spy program to covertly gather information on UK citizens'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's ok, i won't be smug that i told everyone this was going on months ago :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because our spy shit is awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you're recording absolutely everything it doesn't need to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how much worse an infraction of privacy it has to be before people start getting pissy about it'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I guess everyone figures that whatever they're hiding will never be found out, and once the government makes it clear they know what kind of fucked up porn you're searching for online, then people will get pissy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia points excitedly at Saint Cuthbert!
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it has to get personal before people rise up'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one starts a war over an abstract idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, the privacy thing won't annoy people, but a combination of that and the clamping down on political opponents and whistleblowers might'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a world where the last one or two generations are basically willingly giving away their private info in the belief that privacy is bad in general, data collection not only is nothing to be afraid of but is accepted if not encouraged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must have marked a sea change even in mainstream media approach in the last couple of weeks'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this reverses that, then GREAT'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, life is fine until a close family member gets eaten by the system'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like i've been here screaming that giving all your info out on Facebook or Google+ was bad, is it? Oh wait, I have'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if enough of that happens, then there is an uprising'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'until then, this whole issue is pissing in the wind'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouting "i told you so" might feel justified, but it isn't helpful'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it will take a real scandal involving innocent people actually getting hurt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not just a scandal'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have already died'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'enough innocent people getting hurt in enough places'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not in the US, though.  Besides, they aren't all that innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let's put it this way:  if you lay on your bed, and there is one tack on there that pokes you, you roll over a bit, find the tack, and get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you lay on your bed, and there are like 30 tacks poking you, you get all the way off, and find out why the hell they are there'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is America'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we're more than 1, perhaps less than 30'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they won't galvanize until there are tacks everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tacksation without representation!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Time for a Boston Starbucks Party!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have headlines here: "Postal service photographs front and back of every piece of mail it processes!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that sounds fun!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing about surveillance is that, if they have video of everything, someone has to watch that video'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and "Obama ordered plans for cyberattacks"'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they outsourced that kind of shit to SkyNet ages ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite, but they have video tracking software'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can spot things that aren't supposed to be there, and track objects between cameras in a network and time'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'i can track it'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'usps gives u tracking # everytime u send a package'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'so just send it usps and get a tracking #'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'bam, problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem?'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'the one that needed a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'video-tracking has grown up bigtime.  They can actually tell when someone is about to commit a crime, essentially having the computer dial 911 before something happens so that when the shit hits the fan the authorities are already outside waiting.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done, you've solved a problem we didn't have'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'thx'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, hans, it's not really predicting a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's seeing patterns that are similar to patterns that happened in the run-up to previous crimes'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means it has a very high false positive rate'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but does give law enforcement early warning'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's predicting a crime, just not far enough away to allow it to be prevented.  Kinda like classical tornado warnings.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more course than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'add in the networking aspect and you can cut down false-positives to next to nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming from a computer vision/machine learning background i can tell you it's not capable of understanding context, it only tracks artefacts and warns a human of something being unusual'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an impressive tool, but can't by itself 'predict' crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are film targeting torpedos harder to countermeasure for than ir torpedos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So police state news?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the free gun initiative has started in Houston Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Formerly of the United States'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And good ridance'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first people to get free 12 gauge shotguns will be single women and the elderly....with the shotgun comes free training to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But no insurance coverage for the inevitable shoulder damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'damn I wish I were a single woman'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would you put the shotgun to your shoulder?  I shoot from the hip!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I revise my statement. And no insurance coverage for the inevitable hip damage.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people have plenty of muscle or fat to absorb the little kick of a 12 gauge.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They are elderly'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why are they giving guns to the senile?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 62 year old guy blew away a would be robber last week....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saved the state about $100,000....woo !'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad his partner survived though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'free drugs would have done the same'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The organization, which plans to offer training classes in Dallas, San Antonio, and Tucson, Ariz., in the next few weeks, is working to expand its giveaways to 15 cities by the end of the year, including Chicago and New York.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Not Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'detroit is dead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why in the world are they giving out guns in Chicago or New York?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'to make them like Detroit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont have a clue why detroit is dead. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because it sucks and no one gives a shit about making it better'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You do not know me'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no it is because the city depended on auto companies for so many years that it never invested in other industries, and when the automakers became tired of the unions, they closed down their factories near detroit and moved to other states.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, detroit died.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, but they obviously don't care that much about finding something new to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'New York used to have a pretty bad reputation for crime, but people cared enough to fix it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the population of detroit is down 70% in the last 10 years, you can buy a house cheap there....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one gives a fuck about Detroit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, NYC is a cool city....detroit is not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's my point'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The fact their mayor was embezzling all kinds of money from the city, while ignoring the fact his citizens were living in electrically-challegened squalor didn't help.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell, if I were homeless in Detroit, I'd hop a train and be homeless somewhere else'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Last I heard basically the entire city council was up on criminal charges.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Memphis is a shithole right now, too'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually, I was just in Rock Springs, WY, which apparently used to be one of the worst cities in the nation'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but then they hired a new Sheriff and Mayor, who systematically fired and re-hired a new city council, ended the corruption, cleaned up the police department, and they are no longer...as shitty, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone cared enough to do something'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one cares about Detroit, obviously...why, who knows, it ran out of mojo, the ley line on which it was built went dead, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the motor city has lost its motor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they should hire RoboCop'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'can't we build him yet? :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They are going to change their name to Delta City.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'In other news, a Fort Worth Texas suburb girl has died needlessly: June 5 - Authorities say a North Texas girl has died on her 13th birthday after being accidentally shot by her 19-year-old stepbrother.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Hand 'em out load 'em up'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the pinnacle of responsible gun storage: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hyskore-handgun-tree.aspx?a=1182591 :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Ilinois, 83% of all violent murders were caused by guns, in Texas it is 64%, and per capita....gun violence is much lower than the cities where handguns are banned.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action hunting rifles are all that should be allowed, I say'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fuck that :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you're going to talk about banning guns, just leave those three'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'People claim stricter gun control = more gun deaths, but statistics show that while there's roughly 17 deaths by gunfire per 100,000 people in the U.S, the number is more around 1/100,000 in Canada, and even lower in Britain where they don't even allow most cops to carry guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least you can still feed and defend yourself with those things, if civilization crumbles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, if THAT happens, we'll all break into the army depot and grab the assault rifles anyways, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns deaths in Texas have been dropping since gun ownership has been rising.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it's something about the American culture that causes it, not the prevalence of guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent crime using a gun is down 13% from 2011 to 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Tell that to that thirteen year old's family'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I loved the part in Paul when the cop was asking about guns in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Screw crime they are dangerous, period'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then dont buy one, that is your right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, the gun lobby is just out of control in the U.S. I don't support banning all guns or anything, but they even threw a fit about expanded background checks; I just find that ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I have several :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the 13 year old's family is to blame for her death, not the gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The 19 year old's is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but yes, they are dangerous, and that is why people must be trained in how to use them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shotguns for hunting/home defense, bolt-action hunting rifles because you do not need rapid fire, if you are a good hunter, to bag a deer, and revolvers because they only hold 6 bullets, maybe, and reload cumbersomely'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you need more than 6 bullets, you shouldn't be there'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same family, arnica (at least by you saying it's her stepbrother)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't take away people's right to hunt, to feed themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boar hunting with a p90 is more fun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Taken'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least, you won't in America'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the 2nd Amendment is not for protecting our right to hunt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what I am saying is that a firearm is a tool, and it's good for more than murdering human beings'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can murder all kinds of tasty creatures with it! :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It defends our right to keep and bear arms in general. And sometimes 6 bullets may not be enough.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington, Montana, Maine and New Hampshire have the lowest violent gun deaths in the US....all states close to Canada....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for civilian use, I would say 6 is enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'concerning gun control'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Canada rubs off, Riz :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, revolvers don't reload cumbersomely with quickloaders and removeable cylinders ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true true abe'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for the most part, you can't usually pack 3 full mags and have 50 bullets for a shooting spree, which is what people are afraid of right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they explore my bunker....they will have a heart attack. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you only had 6 bullets, you'd have to really think, do I want to do this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There was a story recently where a woman defended her home with a 6 round revolver. And it was barely enough. The home invader was able to leave the home and enter his car before he buckled over in pain where the police found him later.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could invade Panama with my arsenal.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Key there is he was running for it, Death. The point is to defend yourself, not necessarily kill the robber.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if she had missed? That's why I would rather have a handgun that can hold nearly 20 rounds:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't miss'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Frankly, sounds like a win-win, she protected her swag, nobody died.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We did, didn't we? You did get it back?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not a toy, take it seriously'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But people do miss...I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that 6 is enough. What makes 6 the magic number?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather than running to his car before collapsing, he could've spent that time fully killing her, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a revolver is a reliable weapon, it holds 6 bullets, if that isn't enough for one man then you shouldn't own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if it's more than one man coming in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When someone puts a few revolver rounds into you, you're probably more interested in getting the hell out of there Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'revolvers suck......you need a 50 round horizontal clip for a semi auto machine gun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you'd better know how to use that thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the point, to not own a gun unless you are going to know and respect it'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert: not necessarily true for people who are already invading someone else's home'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'any asshole can take a Glock and go do some damage, with an extra magazine you have 34 shots if you use 9mm'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have a p90 personal defense weapon.....with its 50 round horizontal clip....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't have to think too hard about what you are going to do with your glock, because you have so many bullets'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, basic survival instinct kicks in eventually I'd imagine; it's like picking a fight after you've already been stabbed, all but the most drugged up thugs won't do it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'on the other hand, if you only get 6, then you'd better not try anything retarded'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The twelve gauges they are handing out are more effective, and six of those ... ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think most home invaders are clear-thinking?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So only the most elite sharpshooters should have the right to defend themselves? And they only have access to the lowest common denomonator of a weapon to do it? Is that how it's done in cambodia?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if your home is being invaded, that is when you bust out the shotgun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Tiny women and elderly and shotguns don't always mix well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'first cartridge is salt, second one is buckshot'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a shotgun is the best home defense gun you can get though'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'BS'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or everyone should have a quad barrel sawed off shotgun where all the shots happen at the same time.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '2 barrels is enough to fuck someone up, really'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If a Hobo can clean up with a shotgun, anyone can!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And muscles like The Rock'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'An AR-15 is better for women and the elderly than a fucking 12-gauge shotty. Good thing we have the right to own them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I kinda like the bean bag rounds'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'assault rifle rounds penetrate walls'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the p90 is great for women and the elderly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a shotgun a) has a spread, so you dont need to be entirely accurate b) makes a great warning sound that every asshole knows, c) can use many different kinds of ammunition, d) is affordable'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in cambodia land wouldn't the answer be "don't hit a wall"'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'e) works better at night than a pistol, you just point it towards the sound and fire if you want to kill'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm just glad I'm not American. When someone accidently shoots someone else here, it's national news because it happens once every 5 years, if even.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'home defense, everywhere you shoot is a wall'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In the U.S it seems to happen every other day :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have bean bag rounds for my shotguns...but they are unreliable, so I prefer salt rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'd go with the salt, myself'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yikes..."point it toward the sound" is how we get those accidental deaths in families'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah really.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then you'd better be sure it's actually a robber before you unload lethal force on an unknown sound'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well the most ideal situation is to have an alarm system as well as a properly store firearm of your choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in any case, most of the time if you just cock the shotgun, one guy will not want to fuck with it, and you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that sound is one of the best deterrents to home invasion'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that and a big dog'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I just have that sound on my iPhone...who needs actual guns?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert gives you a BIG high five!  Way to go!! 
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You realize that firing "warning shots" into the air is less legal than shooting a tresspasser in many states right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay I was thinking...lets say that the US really did ban all but shitguns bolt-actions and revolvers. What happens when mass shootings still happen only using those weapons? Do we take those away or whittle down gun rights even farther?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't have mass shootings with those weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not really, unless you have mass people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you have coordinated groups of people mass killing in movie theaters, then you've got bigger problems than gun control'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh bullshit. A man could easily carry multiple revolvers and a fully auto shotgun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then you don't sell auto shotguns to the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, there are actually plenty of mass shootings with just those weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole point is to keep massive amounts of rounds from being easily carried and used'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'while still allowing for hunting and home defense'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess it's not perfect, but as far as compromises go, it's the best one I can think of'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'aside from full out ban or full out not banning, the best in the middle option'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not saying it's perfect'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well what you are suggesting is far from the middle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Your plan would be the greatest gun control since the redcoats demanded our ball and powder.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'banning guns in America just isn't going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and most people seem to have a problem that you can take an AK with 2 or 3 extra magazines, have 90 bullets, and go nuts in a public area'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what scares people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes it is dumb'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now your cambodia gun bill. Would it work proactively or reteroactively?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's never been something I've been worried about'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gee I don't know, maybe have some sort of turn-in program go for a few months, and then change up the stores'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think I am more likely to be killed by a cop than by a crazed shooter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So everyone that doesn't turn in their guns after a certain point becomes a criminal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and before AKs were around, people did carry hundreds of rounds on their person...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, the paranoia gets out of hand here, and I actually believe that gun control won't solve the violence problems here'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gee, I guess so'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what do you mean, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now the Brady bill that banned the sale of "assult weapons" only banned the sale. Everyone that had them continuted to have them. The latest attempt at the assult weapons ban functioned the same way despite not passing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean, back in the old west, that much ammo was hardly unheard of'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, but it was not really in a form that lends itself to large-scale massacre like an AK'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lever action may as well be as fast as semi-auto....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I could very easily carry enough guns and ammo in just the old west gear to kill a hundred people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolvers, pump-action/2 barrel shotguns, and bolt-action rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how would you do it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also lever action...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope, bolt-action only'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'two revolvers, belt full of quickloaders, a couple shot or rifles strapped to back'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I don't know what old west you are talking about then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one bullet in the chamber, move the action, eject the cartridge and put a new one in, like the old school sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the speedloaders, admittedly, would make you quite dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there were multi-shot rifles 150 years ago...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And hell even during the revolutionary war their were air rifles that could hold over 30 rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a gatling gun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gatlings were great :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put 4 of them on the 4 corners of my house roof.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And yet so few mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it's our culture'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one of these days, I'd love to try out one of those .50 Barrett semi-auto sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '10 round cartridge, those are sweet'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'yeah the high number of gun deaths has to do with the huge criminal element in major cities. And the mass shootings have very much to do with mental heath and people not understanding the value of life.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a diseased meme, that people who are frustrated take it out here with gun violence'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this sort of thing happened in Micronesia, I believe, with teen suicide'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just go get a 50 caliber hawken rifle......and go bear hunting!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the phenomenon went viral for awhile, and all the kids were offing themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was the thing to do if you were full of angst, and here in America, the thing to do is shoot up a bunch of innocent people...the news doesn't help, it's already tipped at this point I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'daniel boone loved his hawken rifle.....very reliable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'well maybe if their parents start doing it it'll stop being cool.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia raises an eyebrow at DeathSyte's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That's how it works lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it definitely needs to stop being cool *somehow*, that's how you fix this shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's all the vidya games fault!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guarantee you if Nancy Lanza had gone on a shooting spree that Adam would have found some other way to express himself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he was training on Halo, that's why he shot so many people!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ya just point and shoot, and then you see the sweet blood splatter, how cool is that!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hrm, I remember reading that in the uk in one town a lot of grannies have started wearing hoodies, trying to make kids think they're uncool :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do love innovative solutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but then you get things like the Thrift Shop song telling us that grandpa's clothes are cool!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'only the ones that grandpa don't wear no more :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pants around your thighs have been cool for decades, there's no rhyme or reason to what's cool :('
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope, Macklemore will rock all that shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that started with inner city gang members hiding firearms'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the pants'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just get the queen of england in a hoodie.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I still can't help but wonder who came up with that one. Waddling around like a penguin with one hand having to hold your pants up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'some dude in the Crips, probably'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prisons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no belts allowed'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nothing cracks me up more than some white suburban kid getting off the bus and having to walk like he shit himself, because if he closes his legs his pants will fall down :('
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Got a kid at work who needs a belt something bad, his pants are always falling down, but he refuses to wear the belts his parents bought him because he thinks they make him look stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, he already looks stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In prison the prison bitches wear their pants saggy so that you know that they are ready to take it up the poop-hole.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'True story.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Best Beastie Boys album: Paul's Boutique'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The best does not mean good, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I like the beastie boys'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You must be mistaken :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they like to have fun'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How come skin cancer is increasing despite chemical sunscreens are getting higher and higher spf? http://www.aad.org/media-resources/stats-and-facts/conditions/melanoma-trends and http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/skin/incidence/uk-skin-cancer-incidence-statistics and http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/trends.htm'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I heard something before, that sunscreen actually causes more cancer than not using it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is probably crap but I remember hearing it...somewhere...'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, no, the government cannot be lying to you now, can they?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Never! Quick. Slather more chemicals on your skin, then heat them in the sun!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bake it in there reaaaaaal good :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sunscreen does cause less sunburn, but more cancer...I use less than I should and let my skin tan up, then quit using it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And with those chemicals, you can stay much longer in the sun, without getting the dangerous tan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I have to tan slow, otherwise it doesn't stick'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just tanning for shorter periods would be better, then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason chemical sunscreens "protect" against tanning but not cancer is because they block UVB but not UVA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or rather, UVB completely, but UVA only in limited amounts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's 3am and I'm half-asleep, so I'm going to say this then immediately take it back as mere ramblings, but I always figure the fewer chemicals I put on, or in me, the better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, as a bonus, the "advice" to stay away from the sun or use sunscreen means that most people are vit D deficient, a vitamin that protects against all cancer forms. Thanks for that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Ranrr person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like alternative media have broken the mainstream media blackout on Bilderberg'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the story?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'reptiles running the show. thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he ruined the whole thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that motherfucker.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the story? In the midst of (yet another) lobbying scandal in the UK, media not covering a meeting of 140 of the world's most powerful corporation leaders meeting in secret with regulators and top government officials, and the media isn't allowed in, the minutes are not released, and we're all supposed to be ok with it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they frequently tell US that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", well that should apply to them first, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they all keep telling us how they want democracy to be transparent....'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'platitudes... anything that is transparent will be torn down by the ignorant masses'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not trying to justify that, are you? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gimme a minute'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're in the darkest africa of government paranoia hare'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tinfoil hat territory'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no we are probably fucked'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: '0.o'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we just might need a major government fuck up to put us back on track'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global economy meltdown, unrest throughout the middle east, growing civil unrest in europe, massing surveillance state, federal power overrun in the USA stomping all over the constitution, how much worse does it need to get, and what on earth does THAT look like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're fucked'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here I am just trying to remort before I go to sleep'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're fucked, perhaps preppers need to be demonised a little less :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh no! you're trying to do something about your own situation, you're a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I kind of think it is written into the time-space continuum that we fuck up at a certain point, so that we can be reminded of what it's all worth'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, time to get off the plantation en-masse'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's going to play out as it should, and you wont change it from here, that's for sure'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. here's what I'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. here's what I'm driving at - POWER, MONEY, PRIVILAGE..... these are all things that the huddled masses resent.  There is no way that a government (Power) can truely operate transparently - there would be unlimited resentment from the huddled masses.  There is no way that the corperate sector (money) can operate transparently.. if the huddled masses could see behind the curtain, no more wizard, unlimited resentment.  There is no way that the rich and famous can exist transparently - If the huddled masses could see every line they cut, every traffic ticket the avoid, etc... there would be unlimited resentment.  Bottom line - the huddled masses, at the end of the day, is an EXTREMELY descructive machine - like a colony of termites.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what is better'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how could we set it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a lot of people, just want to be safe and not worry about everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there you go'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'll all need to be realistic about what life is about, if we're going to do it different'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and we'll need it hammered, real hard, rape style, into our bones, by history'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is...probably what will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the road to Heaven on Earth is not easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no heaven on earth - that's part of the problem with discontent of the masses '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'There will be no Heaven until every single one of us understands just where Heaven is, in relation to Hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On different pages in fictional texts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moving on... So, I just got back from Orlando...  at least every other non-american was British....  there were a BUTT-TON of British there....'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue you have vl, is that while what you say about each institution being transparent is right, things were put in place to insure that there were separations of power, and that the INTERFACE between these powers was transparent'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what it's really like when life is shitty, and what it's like when it's good, and to be grateful because you know the difference'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was intended that by having separation of powers and exposing the links, you can at least keep those powers compartmentalised, and therefore limit the influence each has'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we have happening now, and Bilderberg is just an illustration of this, is those powers linking hands'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT is why it's dangerous, is why having an all powerful federal government, or an all powerful EU, or an all powerful UN is an issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why I always harp on about keeping the federal government SMALL, keeping the powers (where practical) LOCAL, and where you have a constitution, USE it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can use one of numerous subjects to illustrate this, from gun control to mass surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is the sad truth of humanity, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thinking, is hard work, and it sucks'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if someone else will do it for you, 99% of people will let them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinking is easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people have been allowed to be lazy, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are smart'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that case, I am not human.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, government allows you to be lazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I were strong, lifting heavy shit would be easy, but I would be in a minority'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'same with thinking'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a narrow minded concept of 'strong''
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are a lot of people who don't like to make decisions, and there always has been'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about the constitution... I don't think there is much of a future for it (which makes me cry)...  since we have passed the [welfare]tipping point in the US (the point where there are enough voters on welfare programs to ensure that a 'non-welfare' government is never elected), they are more than willing to trade constitutional rights for an extra free chicken.  They'll be sorry when the free chickens stop, AND they have have traded away their constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't eat a constitution, and you can eat a chicken'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is only flawed in your eyes because it's not being followed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the US constitution is a remarkably robust and well principled document'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a rulebook for the interpretation and creation of LAW'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Holiday in Cambodia person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's been good for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think there is an issue with the constitution, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so - I am HOPING that big industry (oil, telcom, pharmacudicals, etc...) will band together with conservative government, become stronger, and depose liberal government.... We can deal with the resulting monster when we get there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that forms part of your theory of how to solve things, but what do you think is wrong with the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the US constitution is suspended now, with the patriot act and similars. It was a decent document, when it was used.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with the constitution,,,, love it.  I think it is at risk, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does putting the oil giants in charge work towards sorting out law with respect to the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'see, when we came straight from a monarchy, everyone KNEW what value freedom had, in relation to what else you could have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in many cases, these corporate interests are the ones causing the destruction of the constitution, not the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think most americans would gladly trade it for a free chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although, I think people from the US tend to put it on a pedestal. It's not that good.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the gratitude I spoke of earlier, the line between Heaven and Hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one knows that shit now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it SHOULD be put on a pedestal, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the cornerstone of your legal system and society, it doesn't -get- any more important than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just like all similar documents, it's full of errors and strange things. It's how you use it that is relevant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'spirit of the law'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you just mixing up the importance of the physical document, and the wisdom and freedoms that it represents?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one and the same...what is the physical document if it does not einspire the wisdom and freedom?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... no, that's people that put it on a pedestal does.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, Ranrr, that appears to be what you're doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see it's importance and put it on a pedestal exactly because of what it represents'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's ok, you may disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(coming from a country that doesn't have one)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which country is that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, that's weird.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm always slightly puzzled by us politics'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Isn't the magna charta still a law in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, you have no documents that define the basic laws of the country?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think there's like 2 clauses that are still recognised as common law, the rest has all been repealed and/or superceded'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No wonder the UK is down the pooper.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'common law has been largely removed here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are not even taught common law anymore, they run solely off statute now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another reason to abolish the '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another reason to abolish the monarchy, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and this is what i mean, what this has resulted in, in a practical sense, is that UK citizens have no yardstick with which to measure laws and changes against, so the creeping loss off freedoms is put up with'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although, you can still have common law in a monarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seems like that would really hurt the UK to abolish the monarchy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US, the people can look at a law and look at the constitution (the yardstick) and it reminds and reinforced the idea of freedoms that they are have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so to me, (Ranrr), yes, I put the constitution on a pedestal, because US people don't seem to realise how important it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a tool that you can use to fight the tyranny and the takeover that many over countries simply don't have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the meaning of freedom has become...diluted here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we think now it means, "you can do whatever you want"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the US isn't the only country with a constitution, but tbh, I don't know how many countries do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'have one'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but freedom has a price, and we don't get that now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one knows the cost of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to pay that price, cambodia, don't you see?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'up untill recently, the constitution has been absolute - it can be 'interpruted' to support a particular agenda, but it hasn't been 'ignorable'... that has really changed in the past couple of years - the constitution has repeatedly been completly disregarded - and people don't give a shit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a problem, vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course tiger, awareness of the value of freedom would mean that we'd all be aware of the shenanigans you love to mention'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your only hope is to get some people in your government that are willing to champion this. There are a small handful on the right that will, haven't seen anyone on the left, and really you need the same sort on both sides'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, freedom means "do what you want" and as long as you can do what you want mostly, who cares why, is what we do now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep, we need some gunslingers to come into this shithole town and clean up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'wild west style, that would put it back into us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what freedom means'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it is how it is understood now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UK isn't on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, that's what government brainwashing does. This is why schoolkids are being suspended for playing cowboys and indians, or for talking about guns, or for pointing their fingers at people and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, having a constituion does not mean a country is nice to live in, e.g. afghanistan or pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'seriously? *are* they being suspended for that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's been known to happen before'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'But always as a lapse, or a joke, and the populace and everyone knows its a farce right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"ben KNOW to happen?".... it happens every freaking day!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, as a matter of zero-tolerance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's policy, newchange, not an exception'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no joke... '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'real. lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://cnsnews.com/blog/dan-joseph/11-year-old-suspended-because-he-said-gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it falls in with the notion of 'zero tollerence' for bullies... children are taught to rely on the teachers and staff to save them from bullies - and ultimatly, when they are grown, to rely on the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I know this is entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is the management of certain policy tradeoffs and the question of why your govt is being oddly untogether with the populace (or vice versa)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, vonliege, spot on'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but for some perspective I come from a country that, a few generations ago, was way poorer than the us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'my parents and grandparents come from places that are more villages than towns'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like how we say, when I was a kid we had dangerous shit, we just didnt do stupid things with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and the concept of nation building / effective economy management / stability is... super obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now, anything that might hurt anyone is removed for fear of a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20 years ago our schools launched war against bullies, and also they removed the ability of teachers to enforce order (stopped capital punshiment, then later prevented 'shouting', banned schools from excluding kids)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'the us problems seem to me like... inconceivable if the populace is at all good and even remotely educated, and you guys are'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ended up in a situation where they cannot do anything with troublesome kids, so they learnt that nobody is going to do anything to them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I think we have muscle that we apparently don't see the need to flex yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a real backbone to America, don't underestimate it, if shit really got down to the wire, we'd step up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can't kill that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're not even at the wire yet, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'well- a huge part of freedom as a common citizen defines it the freedom to do what he wants to do- is from economy stability, wealth, and social stability'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they end up having to have security guards in school as a result. same thing happened with parents - not allowed to discipline their kids, having CPS called for "shouting at them", now parents feel they have no power to bring up their kids, Government is their parent'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'us has mostly focused on... weird tangential issues'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because life is still mostly comfy here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'watch what happens when we start hitting real deprivations'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon won't be'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Yeah! life is so good like honestly- these privacy problems are troubling, yes, but they're just all so.... trivial'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more or less, yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Newchange for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I dunno lol- its what i really think'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the US might be a good country again when the oil dependancy issue has been solved. That would clarify the foreign policy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'you guys did fine nation building before you had xbox ones'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we pulled together in WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that the deprevation and money issues were CAUSED by the ruling elite, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'now you have xbox ones and bonus features have you guys all divided'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NC makes a point, TN.. 'who gives a shit'... as long as they're comfy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'hmm tiger, if so, the ruling elite are a problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but what can you do about your ruling elite except get your entire nation elite? all other solutions are artificial and nubbish'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT's what liberal government does... makes you 'comfy' while they strip away your rights and freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL, ask yourself a question: Just because the sheep "don't give a shit", does that mean that you shouldn't, when you know it's going to bite you in the arse big time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'paranoia can work against you as well as for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'keep an eye out, be ready, but don't stress it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... I don't LIKE what's happening, I'm just agreeing about HOW it's happening'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal government (well, what is nominally SOCIALISM, not liberal, really - the word has been poisoned to mean something else)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course we'd rather lie around, get fat, and worry about meaningless crap if we can'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in most people's minds, the game hasn't even started yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when it becomes good vs. evil again, we'll step up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SOCIALISM only works if you have an honest and altruistic government, and needs then to be like that forever, else it descends into tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're fuckin America.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No country has ever tried socialism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, Ranrr, don't go down the line of "no country has ever tried socialism" JUST because they haven't implemented text book idealist socialism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no country has ever implemented text book idealist free market democracy, yet people are quick to scorn it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true free market ends up with problems'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why we make anti-monopoly laws and such'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'term limits, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot have any idealistic system, because the world isn't an ideal or simplified case'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and taxes, and subsidies, and government provision of services and infrastructure- etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right TN, it's gotta be robust and messy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's what we have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't call the state the had in the sovjet or china socialism. I also wouldn't call the US a liberal country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean there isn't directions and vectors of each within that messy system, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the main principle is to keep change from happening quickly, so that we can have time to see what is coming'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like how you drive slowly when it's dark or foggy, because your headlights only go so far'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't drive farther than you can see'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is our government in a nutshell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'quite interestingly, i feel like once your government is elected, they become them instead of us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at Newchange.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that defnitely happens'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'nobody seems to say- the govt know the details and they made the calculations and decisions optimal for us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have a administration centralising power and control, that is authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, that's why the US is still fighting the cold war.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are not at jackbooted thugs yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if an administration controls the finances and means of production, that's fascism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it OWNS the means of production, that's a totalitarian version of communism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does what mean, Newchange?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fascism is when they can delete you if you go against them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like that shit they used to do in Myanmar or whatever, still do'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(you're not far off, cambodia, you have a militarised police, and Obama is bringing in his homeland brigade)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is fascism, and we are not there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That definitely not the defition of fascism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'as in- you seem to tag pre-defined utility tags to each word "fascism", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarian" etc- but as far as I can see, just saying this doesn't actually mean anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'at least to me, because i dont know the implication'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When fascism was popular in europe, the means of production was still in private hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it describes things, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, if our police started trying TRUE fascist tactics of making unpersons and the like, there would start a rash of cop murders'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then warfare in the streets would break out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there would be no more fucking around about the issue, the way there is now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unfortunately, I see that there is a risk that fascism will be reinstated in some desperate countries in europe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's proper perspective of threat here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYC are bringing in laws that make "talking back" to a police officer, or harassing them in any way a felony'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some popular parties have fascism on their agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'why the heck would anyone harrass a police officer? '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'TN, that's what I mean, that aint fascism yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'unless your police officers are bad in the first place- and that's a totally different problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism is essentially where government controls the means of production. If you have a healthcare system where the government dictates which companies are allowed to operate, or a media, or an energy sector, then that IS fascism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we already have IS fascism lite'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once it gets to upper0middle class white people it becomes a problem :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is _your_ definition of fascism, TN.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just because you don't believe that the government can do anything right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think you guys feel a lot less of a sense of brotherhood with your govt- like you guys don't seem them as more of yourselves, perhaps better educated, making the same judgments- you see them as.... idk wtf you see them as actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'like they're not people'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not entirely true newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'our officials have proven their humanity, recently, if it gets too far'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '" a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition "'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tell me that doesn't sound like USA right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I am saying, there is a bedrock here that you guys are not seeing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we live in it, we know it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just replace "dictatorial leader" with "dictatorial administration"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'believe it or not, there is humanity underneath what you think you see'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I do agree that governemnt shouldn't operate anything that is more appropriate for a free market.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you must almost agree that we've passed that point long ago, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are few/no free markets'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, free market does not mean unregulated. So, I disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has NOTHING to do with regulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the idea of the true core of America dying would be too sad and horrible for anyone here to really tolerate'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has to do with government picking winners and losers, subsidising some against others, BAILING OUT companies, privatising the profit socialising the risks, CREATING monopolies'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'And to fully answer ranrr- you have to show that this was inappropriate'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are still patriots to water the tree'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'that their choices result in more bad for society than good'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, I agree all of those happen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The bank bailout was the latest in a long series of stupid bailouts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you agree that bank bailouts was not free market'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, why was there no IT bailout in the early 00s?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'not societally deleterious?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad there wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Nothing is black or white.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have been an issue had they not bailed out the banks, they'd have had to step in to become the liquidator of choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'OK so- what would have happened had they not bailed out the banks? they must have bailed out the banks for SOME reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm just playing the opposite side so i actually figure out this issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would have happened? The banks going bust would have been analysed, assets would have been sold off, and the depositors protected. Shareholders would be the ones that lost out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this would have knocked down the value of many share-based pension funds, possibly by as much as 10-20%'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few people who had a lot of wealth in shares specifically in those companies would have been hit hard, but shit happens, stock market isn't without risk'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would not have crashed the economy though, and it wouldn't have caused this 20 yr slump'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and as a result, remaining banks would take less risk in future'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'so a quick check- you think this calculation should have been made by the govt, and the govt not chosen to bailout?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i don't believe that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no calculation should have been made, it should have been self evident that you don't do a bailout'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'i see.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the consequences were obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'so your govt is either corrupt or incompetent, to your mind? i personally am not sure re the consequences, or either bailout or bank failure'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been cheaper to let them go "pop" and just protect the depositors out of the government pocket'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not sure about the consequences of the bank bailout, really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Crashes are good for an industry. Just look at how healthy the IT industry has been since the crash. We are starting to forget the lessons now, but they lasted a good 10 years at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'what happens if a bank collapses?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's put it this way. All of the extremely dodgy casino banking that goes on, all the "bending as far as it possibly can" the laws to do with rate manipulation, the manipulation of the property market with unsound loans. It's ALL STILL GOING ON'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the consequence is that a precedent has been set. Banks can do what they like, if they mess up, they won't go to jail, governments will bail them out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have -any- idea how important precedent is in statute-base system of law?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, I actually agree with you, Tiger :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'hmm lol okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'food for thought'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can we talk about brits invading Orlando, now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want brits in orlando, get rid of the tourism there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice that a republican governor has sicced a sheriff because he's an independent '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't there be more to the story?  Can't just sack someone for their political party'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like... maybe he ass raped 15 school children, AND he was an independent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, Sherrifs are County level, not state'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, the sheriff did something wrong, but it's all colour of law'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'd say he was punished for "not following procedure"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so he didn't do his job properly?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he did his job properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took offence with the way the paperwork was dealth with, and rather than reprimand him and correct it, they charged him with a 3rd degree felony'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point - to say "he was fired for being an independent" is likend to a black person sayoing they were fired for being black - regardless of their level of incompentence'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point was not lost, VL, in this case the element of persecution comes from the disproportionate action instigated by the governor'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, I wish that governor was up here. Our ruling provincial political party just got busted for spending $600 million dollars to cancel a power plant contract they initiated because of a sudden by-election in the area that they might have lost. Now, after lying about the cost, and 3 rounds of documents being released (each time they swore it was all of them) it was just found out that they purged all of the emails concerning the deal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The cops are investigating, but everyone is denying they had anything to do with it so nothing will happen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have been relativily succesful in sme part because I can recognize who my enemies are.  I am then VERY careful not to give them ammunition to use against me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have something similar on a small scale going on here, Cuthbert, people resigned, but the contracts are such that it'll cost taxpayers huge amounts regardless of whether it goes ahead or not. Just more corporate/political corruption. same old same old'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We could use a little heavy-handed criminal indictments.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The head of the party resigned when the story first broke. He took his $400k 'retirement package' and has vanished off the face of the Earth, nobody can find him despite him still being a sitting member of the provincial legislature.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not always possible, VL, laws and regulations have been penned for the last 20 years that are SO widely encompassing, and so unspecific both in language and context that they can be interpreted to allow the administration to do pretty much anything they wanty'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you file a IRS tax bill, chances are you could be indicted for lying on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two such bills passed recently, in NYC you can now be prosecuted for "annoying a law enforcement officer". In the UK you can get fined for "driving with inappropriate speed", or "hogging the middle lane"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things which have no legal definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mean whatever the enforcers at the time want them to mean, which means they're wide open to abuse'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And these days, all the law enforcers are so hopped up on steroids trying to keep up that ANYTHING annoys them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't see the danger in having a law about "annoying a police officer" is a seriously bad idea, then you have some serious issues around what law is for, and why it is needed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure how i could frame the argument in any kind of way that would make sense to you, it'd be like confronting someone who doesn't understand why murder isn't legal'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So how was the NYC law enacted? City Council meeting? Was the meeting public?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look how "assault on a police officer" is abused when cops beat the shit out of people and then prosecute the victim for damaging their fist'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY Senate, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Well the NYC thing is only passed by the state senate so far and defines your annoyance as "STRIKES, SHOVES, KICKS OR OTHERWISE  SUBJECTS'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'SUCH PERSON TO PHYSICAL CONTACT". That might annoy me. http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2402-2013'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'So how low is silver and gold going to go?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'gold is gonna go to 650'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'and silver is gonna go to 11'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you think the 2009 lows'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll go lower if North Colorado becomes a reality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats happening in north colorado'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about 8 counties are thinking about seceding to form a new state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would probably end not so good for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think so?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That would be Wac(k)o'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh you mean leaving the state of colorado but not the union'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw use of certain types of biomass for energy is a horrible idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, yeah, shit stinks when you burn it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its not that its that there are areas that lack among other thing organic material( biomass is essentially organic material)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would think it much better to use tha biomass to incease the fertility of land that are currently not so fertile'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just adding more dead stuff isn't going to help, you have to get rid of all the chemicals being laid down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not all areas are saturated with "chemicals"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much are, or at least have not been organic long enough to no longer be affected by their past.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are you talking about fertilizers'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because i was more talking about extremely sandy areas mainly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, everything you put into soil or plants growing out of it.  Almost every agricultural product has an organic alternative now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'theres nothing wrong with fertilizers then uses properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'infact organics can be worse than there clean chemical counterparts...'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some organic fertilizers contain heavy metals as a result of bio accumulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  The bottom of that food chain are the microbes in the soil.  Strong microbial health leads to strong plants which leads to less treatments for stressors (like pests and disease).  With a fully healthy micro ecosystem, even extreme heat is not a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://www.horticulture.umn.edu/amarkhar/courses/Hort4072-2008/Heavy%20Metals%20and%20Fertilizers/OMRI%20Report%20Metals_in_Fertilizers-b6-2005-02-14.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not only that organics fertilizers are slow release so the total amount on nutrients can actually be higher than the pure chemical form'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the whole organic food thing is media hype'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the whole thing?  No, it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it kind of is... just because something is "organic" does not mean its better for you but many people are too blind and thing that "organic" foods are allways going to be better'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think the real, fundamental idea of org foods is that... we might not be able to metabolise chemicals that we aren't used to, they have unknown effects, but we can assume stuff we've been eating for ages is safe'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but... I think people don't really have a clear picture of how chemicals are incorporated into foods, people don't really understand the whole picture, and ya i think most nonorg foods are fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the basic foundation, but it goes way beyond that.  Plants are living things, too, and they can get sick and die just like we can.  We wouldn't eat sickly meat, so why subject ourselves to sickly plants?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'That's... true, but also a little tangential, considering that chemicall'ed plants aren't necessarily unhealthy plants right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Maybe a pesticide-sprayed plant is healthier than an organic equivalent- in fact, i'd expect that that's the case'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, quite the opposite.  What everyone's really just discovering now is that the agricultural ecosystem has a plankton equivalent (microbes), so when those go "bad" then there's nothing you can do to save the plants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'We don't eat meat from sick animals because we can be affected by a lot of the same diseases, the same isn't true of plants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but you can kill that system with any type of fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plants are soaking up the poisons.  Eat the plant, eat the poison.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said we don't eat meat from sick animals? you eat meat and milk from sick animals constantly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get all the crap antibiotics from them soaking through your system too'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with pigs'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I don't eat pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love certain types of shrimp farms where the shrim swim in a pool od antibiotics'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'cows either. I only eat beef and pork.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very good'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many meat animals are raised with subclinical doses of antibiotics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'factory dairy herds are stuffed full of growth hormone'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and yet i though under chemical analysis you cant tell the difference in the milk '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in this case, "sick" isn't just about disease and obvious poisons or even additives like antibiotics and hormones.  It's about what nutrients you can extract from them.  Healthy animals are hardier and as a result they don't need (as many) additives.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the herd. Some of them are moving away from using BST on their dairy animals, because the excessive milk production wears their udders out quicker, so the cows need to be culled earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally would prefer organic, happy produce free from contaminants, but unfortunately governments have a habit of making such things illegal, or at least putting a disproportionate weight of regulation on organic consumers while allowing grubby poison-filled factory production corps get away with murder (well obviously, given they're putting money in the EPA's pockets)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that all the plant foods we eat now are less nutritious than they were during the Great Depression?  That is even including improvements made within the organics movement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Wow no i didn't know that how's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soil depletion'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'using more and more artificial fertilizers, while treating animal manure (fertilizer with loads of micronutrients) like toxic waste'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not true everywhere, but on heavily industrialised agrictulural land it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and is it toxic waste?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more chemicals they chuck down, the more it gets into the water stream and affects biodiversity. The latest nature indicators in the UK show at 40% drop in bird numbers over the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ecology poisoning is the cause'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with habitat destruction'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'farmers were very ignorant about soil health leading up to the GD, which resulted in the Dust Bowl.  The DB lead to an increased level of demand, and farmers turned to chemical treatments to create more efficient yields.  This was essentially why we became so big with exports, but then folks started looking at the food produced and realized our bigger yields still weren't that nutritious.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some organic fertilizes are really bad!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like manures and sewage sludge '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the tend to contain high lvs of heavy metals!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sewage isn't organic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's chemically-treated, since we're already dumping plenty of other chemicals down there as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pills, illegal substances like motor oil, stuff that leaks out into the groundwater, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well it they do use it in some organic fertilizers altho there has been restrictions placed on it '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and who knows what leeches out of car keys and whatever else baby manages to flush down the toilet without stopping it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is fish meal organic fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'it's mael organic!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ground-up fish probably isn't JUST ground-up fish.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'by that notion then organic fertilizer is not just organic fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'granted, the fish probably aren't that clean either, but then again they and what they are eating are both trapped in that body of water.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bio accumulation!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fishes then to get quite a bit of mercury'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohhh and btw I don thing fertilizers are the main reason we saw such and increase in crop production since the great depression'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think it would rather be the increase in machinery '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: ', better understanding of the country's agricultural abilities when it comes to large scale farms'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and also more productive strains of plants'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haha, reading a news story about how mortgage rats ticking above 4% is putting off home buyers in the US. 4%? nearer 6 here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview with the NSA whistleblower: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Whistleblowing is terrorism and whoever it is should be ashamed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte rolls his eyes.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'Whistleblowing is terrorism, what? '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'did u think about that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'h -10'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'My sarcasm was broken I apologize.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'i se that now, cool. sry'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'should have looked at history'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'coughs, beforehand'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty damned scary and illuminating stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ke'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all getting very big very quickly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund value is up to $46 billion...up 60% since 2009.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think this latest NSA scandal, added to all the bilderberg coverage going on is going to play out? with the IRS/Benghazi stuff to, it's all synergising'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont pay attention, waste of time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've personally never seen this much of a push back in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope it isn't a waste of time, then'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 6000 gallon water tank I installed at this house filled up in 1 hour after a huge thunderstorm just passed by here a few hours ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the solar hot water panels will be installed next week...woohoo'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, I would like to go to the Tongass national forest......17 million acres...the largest national forest in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do they have go carts and mini-golf?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, just some of the last old growth trees in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1000 year old trees'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you can cut firewood, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new growth trees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't get too excited about trees.. their renewable'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'after 60 years of clearcutting in the tongass, the feds are thinking about ending the practice in the huge forest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banning clearcutting in the forest will save taxpayers billions also...:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will they allow forest fires?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a rain forest, there hasnt been a forest fire in the tongass since who knows how long.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I guess they can leave that alone'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come to think of it... I've been there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SE alaska ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'used to fly out of sitka quite a bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I have 6-7 cousins that live in Juneau'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we taxpayers pay loggers $3 a board foot to harvest the wood.....otherwise it wouldnt be profitable to the logging companies.....it is a waste of money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a great aunt that used to live in petersburg... she dies about 30 years ago, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tourism will pass logging in a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheaper than wellfare, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but fishing is king in that area (get it?  "king"?  as in "king crab"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like king salmon...:p'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's what I ment... King Salmon... thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the crab there are mostly snow and dungeness'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, in kodiak, I used to put out pots to catch blue and red king crab'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'commercial fishing of king crab is over in kodiak, but subsistence is still there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate dungeness are my FAV... very sweet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest king crab ever caught was caught off kodiak.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'How   big  was  it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'longer than hakeem olajuwan's arm span.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the bank in kodiak, there is a red king crab that is 6 feet wide....one of the largest king crabs ever caught.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bank also has an 11 foot tall kodiak brown bear in the lobby.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'USFS has invested $8.6 million annually in tourism and recreation, which helps support a billion-dollar tourism industry that provides 10,200 jobs. They have put $7.9 million toward fish and wildlife, which helps support another billion-dollar industry and another 7,200 jobs in Southeast Alaska. Finally, $23.4 million goes annually to timber cutting and roads, a money-losing industry that provides just 107 jobs '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In economic terms, USFS spends $843 per year supporting each tourism job, $1,097 per year per fishing job, and $218,692 per year per timber job.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you think obama is a nature loving liberal...he isnt.....his forestry service just signed a ROD to allow important deer habitat to clearcutted near the city of petersburg in Alaska....even after the city sent a letter asking not to do it, and then a month later the FS added even more land to the lease.  Taxpayers will end up spending about $150 million to have that timber logged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the TSA tried to confiscate chewbacca's light saber at the airport!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now both US and UK are full peddle-mode with respect to spying on the populace'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing that's amusing me about it is how people are now suddenly shocked when there have been others of us shouting about it for a looonnnng time'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'none of that matters, cause the TSA tried to take chewbaccas light saber at the airport!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned TSA, while others were photographed asleep at their posts, no less. TSA ftw'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/man-charged-with-dui-despite-blowing-000-during-breathalyzer-test/'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go go polce state!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man arrested for driving while black'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he'll get his cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'll be the best thing that ever happened to him'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, payday, which is great for him, bad for tax payers'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cop will likely lose his job'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should correct the situation'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprisingly, the British cops got highly praised by all the attendees at Bilderberg'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, $1 million to have lunch with warren buffet....he should just have 5 lunches a day and make $1.8 billion for his charity.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, tomato flavored licorice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, licorice flavored tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare: ohio insurance premiums to rise on average 88%'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy are you guys getting screwed :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except most people do not know that 87% of that increase is profit to the insurance company.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't actually matter where it goes'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what, government creates a monopoly (or at the least, a closed market) prices go up, people get raped'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened in the UK with electric and water'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'electric and water used to be a monopoly in the US, and prices were much lower compared to the free market today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours were nationalised before, and now are a closed private monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thank god most utilities are still govt owned in Alaska....keeps the prices lower.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the best model is nationalised water, nationalised power infrastructure with some free market supply to the grid'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Kodiak Electric Association added hydro power to the city and electric costs dropped by 50%....the city used to be completely diesel powered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then wind power was added, and power costs dropped another 20% since more diesel was replaced.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the city is now 80% renewables.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that must reall be chapping you arse.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'considering how much you advocate fossil fues'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fuels'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... that's just like STEALING from the oil companies, the people who work for the oil companies, and every person that has a 401K, a retirement plan, or a pension (all invested in oil companies)... '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I want oil to be used for making plastics and chemicals, not to be burned to product electricity, or used in cars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plastics and chemicals are high value products....power and fuels are not :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money never sleeps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whee, century old laws may prevent the chinese govt from buying a pork producer in the US for $4.7 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least eight states - Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Wisconsin - have laws that prohibit foreign ownership of agricultural land.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the pork producer deal get stopped then?'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, just slowed down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If all the gasoline produced in the U.S. stayed here, the surplus should push prices lower. But it doesnt. U.S. refiners are increasingly exporting gasoline and diesel fuel to Central and South America, where demand from those developing economies continues to rise.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gasoline demand in 2012 was down another 8% in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 1000 star galaxy has been discovered orbiting our own galaxy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/06/06/do-treaties-trump-the-constitution/#.UbZARdhbb-t'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A member of the U.S. Army Band who said he was reprimanded for having anti-Obama bumper stickers on his personal car, serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at a party and reading books written by conservative authors like Sean Hannity is now facing Article 15 charges which cropped up shortly after he went public with his complaints.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chickfila sandwiches are better with mayo and tomato.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything is better with mayo and tomato.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree....C4 is really good for removing tree stumps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and alot cheaper than amonium nitrate'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the ultimate man cave....a guy in florida build his with 60 old video arcade games, a call of duty room, a star trek themed tv room, and a nice round oak bar with over 100 bottles of booze.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Was he single? '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Humanity has declined '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the star trek room looks like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise-D'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was he fabulously wealthy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a statue of the king (iron, gold, alabaster and something I forget)...and daniel didn't "kill" it... he just refused to bow before it'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess stuff is getting so bad that huge riots, beatings, tear gas, large anti-riot arrests in multiple countries, and illegal spying on a massive scale just doesn't capture the imagination anymore'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all going to burn sooner or later?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'massive empathy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'apathy... massive apathy'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, how long will apathy last?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until the food runs out, or the energy turns off, or until the welfare checks stop?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right up until the free minutes on their cell phones is cut from 250 to 249'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or until facebook starts charging'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman trial will be good for some riots'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the hoodie fits, you must aquit!'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm a little worried about that to.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he'll be aquited, and there will be nation wide riots'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zimmerman is the white guy, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'huh, there are white guys in the US still?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no whiteys were involved'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then explain :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wasn't he hispanic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it matter? wasn't it just a case of a trigger-happy elderly bloke shooting a dodgy black kid?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wasn't elderly, either.  Middle-aged, probably.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a 30-something hispanic who shot a black kid who was trying to kill him'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not quite an elderly bloke.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so what's wrong with the hispanic guy being acquitted?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing... he shouldn't even be on trial'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it's such a HUGE race issue, that it HAD to go to trial...'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it on his property?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was on a public street'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it should have gone to trial'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blackies think he was using self-defense as an excuse to commit a hate crime.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman, the hispanic, was a self appointed 'neighborhood watch gut''
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'he shouldn't have been following Travan.  That doesn't make it murder, but he will get blamed for it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a 'stand your ground' law.. where if someone is trheatening you, you don't have to run away (like the swedish, or french)'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the french don't retreat, they just surrender.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought stand your ground only applied in your own property in the US, on the streets in public you have self defence, but you may not persue'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone please explain if i have understood that wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US doesn't have a stand-your-ground law, individual states do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, and in this particular state?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on your own property is "make my day"... "stand your ground" is different'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in some states, you can defeat the raidparty and stand there on your porch popping them in the ass on their way off your property.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'everywhere in the us you can stand your ground in your house, in some states you can stand your ground outside (not duty to retreat from the conflict.)   you pretty much can't pursue and justify shooting someone in most cases.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and which is the case in the zimmerman example, malkar?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in Florida where it happened you can stand your ground in public.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's cut and dry then'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the key is "perception of danger"... in this case, it's florida.  Zimmerman only has to prove that he "thought" he was threatened'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason it's a trial is partly because of the race, but more likely because the justioce system has been told to demonise gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, i'd be willing to bet the trial has more to do with demonisation of gun ownership than race'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''guns' is a huge part of it... but I think it's mostly race'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'George didn't shoot while pursuing.  He caught up with Trayvon, talked smack with him, and got into a fistfight.  It was during this phase that George saw what he thought was a gun so he pulled his and shot first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only cut and dry if you believe Travan attacked Zimmerman. There is some evidence in Zimmerman's favor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has been alot of evidence (though circumstantial) that Trevon was involved in gangs - that goes to zimmerman's defense'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who started the fight?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hard to prove for sure who started the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman 'confronted' trevon as being 'out of place'... trevon allegedly attacked him... zimmermans gun went up for grabs... zimmerman got to it first and shot trevon'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Zimmerman had some cuts on the back of his head with suppports the idea he was on his back being beaten by Travan, but its not totally conclusive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no witnesses - happened at night'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'USA doesn't have the near-total camera coverage of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'is Zimmerman only being charged with murder?  or are there other charges?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless there's exchange of gunfire (or some other immediate threat to the public) or the perp is someone high-value enough to warrant flouting the law (ie, a terrorist like Osama Bin Laden), you actually can't shoot at a criminal even when it's obvious he was doing something illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they can prove trayvon started the fight, it cannot be murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they prove that zimmerman started the fight and blew him away when it escalated, that's manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fair asesment'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's on trial for 'second degree' murder... in florida, it is uncommon for a jury to find for a lesser charge - he'll either be guilty or inocent of second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the definition?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could happen, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't know the legaleeze, but second degree is intention, but not pre-meditated... manslaughter is mostly accidental'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The tough part for people to swallow, is that Zimmerman followed Travan because he look out of place, followed Travan because "those people always get away" (not an exact quote), and because he followed even after 911 told him "We don't need you to do that."  ,but none of that means that Travan didn't attack him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'third degree murder, manslaughter, and neglegent death are all about the same'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman's worst issue is that he was 'very agresive'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman's worst issue is that he was 'very agresive in his duties as a 'neighborhood watch''
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and by all accounts (including his own), zimmerman agressivly persued trevon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agressively persuing someone isn't an offence in this contextr'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'does anyone know how bid that gated community was. I think it was a gated community.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my econ prof said the masure of an ec up nonist is how they plot data based on chosen indicators.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That truly is the measure of a good ec up nonist. Well said.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'sorry, masure. The masure of a good ec up nonist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran, you are like the socket puppet i never wash. *hug*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'in that you don't wash me? yes. Yes that is true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using existing arguments on other subjects, and current rulings, we should immediately ban golf'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and zinGGGGGGGGGGG....----'''''  there goes a random act of typing!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well golf, clubs are a weapon so we need background checks at least, and a limit to how many you can carry at once. Stray golf balls are also a health hazard, not to mention lightning strikes. Socially golf is an inequitous past time accessible only to the rich, so we should prevent the rich playing in furtherance of the poor. It is also scored, and everyone in teaching knows that competitive games are a complete no-no in today's modern liberal socialist agenda. Finally, golfers have a complete inability to park in a selfless manner'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you didn't even get into the alcohol consumption, and tacky clothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole internet spying thing makes me sick. People supporting it are so fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose the reasons it's still arounf is A - Obama golfs, B - 90% of golfers could NOT hit an intended person with a ball, and C - There are vouchers available (at least in Atlanta, GA, USA) for welfare people to go golfing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is -by far- enough public material available to monitor to find and incriminate terror suspects and their cohorts (facebook/forums). It only requires the intelligence agencies to get a warrant from a real judge (not a fake secret FISA one) to be able to legally monitor their communications without being in breach of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble is the NSA are just fucking lazy, and fucking greedy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you feal about the proliferation of 'public safety' cameras in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like em, the traffic cameras are about revenue generation, not safety'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there is a busy public area, it's probably justifiable to have a camera (just, and really only if there is a history of trouble). On private property, that's fine, provided it only covers private property,a nd people are aware'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the google mapping cars?  and Google Glass?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad and bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google mapping cars that got caught (and google fined millions of $$) for hacking into people's wifi and scraping data without permission?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds perfectly fucking reasonable to me, it doesn't matter that it's already illegal. If you think any different, you hate america, you're with the terrorist, and you're a conspiracy theoriest'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(right?)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about celular peer-triagulation systems (the deal where in a metro area, everyones cell phones are queried to get location information for everyone)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on people being aware of it, and being able to turn it off. It should be turned off by default ideally'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of this has to do with choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people choose to put their entire life on facebook publicly, then fine, provided they know what they're doing, and know the risks, fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you see where i'm coming from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I feel ya... I think that the mob is wishy-washy... they wanna play with toys like 'google glass', but then they want privacy... they wanna paste their whole life on face book, but get mad when their ex-gf/bf sees it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want privacy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw an excerpt of Piers Morgan talking about the scandal. He 'claimed' that the same people who wouldn't budge on the 2nd ammendment are 'the exact same people' defending this spying attack on the 4th ammendment. I was like "LIKE FUCK THEY ARE"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman is likely guilty of 1st degree murder because of premeditation and intent:  With premeditation Zimmerman armed with a gun went hunting with the intent to cause a confrontation that was likely to result in an provocation of a hostile response with the assurance that the (hidden) gum may be suddenly used to kill (and thus murder) the victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's on trial for second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there was definitely a (premeditated) intention to cause an aggravated confrontation that was extremely likely to result in aggravated assault started by the beligerant (obnoxious) Zimmerman that then escalated into a killing (or alternatively was likely to first result in aggravated damage and humilation inflicted by Zimmerman, and then maybe the murder) (also, in some jurisdictions, a killing committed during the commision of a crime is viewed as murder)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't know that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman was just a concerned citizen that was investigating an out of place person in his gated community'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confronting people isn't a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, what Zimmerman did was assault - a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite liberals trying to make it sop'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman wasn't in Canada :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's also illegal to preach from the book of romans in canada'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, Zimmerman armed with a gun beligerently confronting the victim is weapons threat'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was he beligerent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's how it went - Zimmerman says "Hi... my name is zimmerman.  I really like your hoodie.  Say, I don't think I've seen you around here" - Trevan says "Ho!  Cracker!  get outa ma face 'fore I CAP you white ass"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'armed with a gun, hidden or open, Zimmerman was likely cocky, arrogant, beligerant, threatening, and provocative, likely seeking to force a hostile response and confrontation that may seemingly permit the use of the gun (according to the misuse of the florida law) --> deliberate intent and premeditation --> 1st or 2nd degree murder.   (or alternatively (the use of the gun) to inflict abject humilation on the victim - a psychological mugging - already a definite crime by Zimmerman in intent and premeditation)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - pure conjecture from an 'anti-gun' perspective.  You can't know ANY of that, but you want SO BAD for it to be true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not merely conjecture - a reasonable conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you make this toon specifically to troll (Debate)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not saying you're trolling... you ARE expressing an opinion, and I myself have gone on rants before.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was armed with a gun and with premeditation and intent, went looking for trouble'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't go looking for trouble - he was just investigating a stranger in his community'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was armed with a gun and with premeditation and intent, intended to "mug" the victim by inflict psychological trauma and humiliation on the victim -- a killing resulted --> 1st or 2nd degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... where's the "premeditation and intent"?  those are the items that you can not POSSIBLY know.. you are "projecting" those values into the issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman is a murderer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I keep jumper cables in my car - that does not mean I have the INTENT to have a dead battery'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I buy home insurance - that does not mean I have the INTENT for my house to burn down'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't characterise being an pro-active member of neighbourhood watch as "intending to commit crime"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when somebody armed with gun intends to act as an unauthorised vigilante, that is both premeditation and intent from the start'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you would have to prosecute every policeman who has ever harmed a criminal or non-criminal citizen'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said he was unauthorised?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - you are projecting "intent" where there is none'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was not an authorised policeman'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was an 'authorized" member of a neighborhood watch'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL is right, Zela, that's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'something you may not be familiar with in Canada, where everyone depends on the government to keep them safe and protect them'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'policeman aren't the only people authorised to look out for others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true that people can't act as judge jury and executioner (neither can police)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what happened here'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when somebody with a gun goes around acting like a provocative abomination, (and is not authorised by the law), there is a likely probability that either assault and or damage is likely to occur'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the zimmerman case, the situation DID go bad - but you can not know that that was the intent'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he WAS authorized by the law - he was legally listed as a member of the neighborhood watch - and he was licenced to carry the gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, waving a gun around in public in a threatening manner is a crime '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't wave the gun around'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a concealed carry permit, and that's just where the gun was... concealed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zimmerman didn't go for his gun until trevon was beating on him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so you (Vonliege) believe that a somebody with a hidden gun may act like a provocative jerk until a physical confrontation starts whereupon the hidden gun is used to kill the provoked victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I generally discourage ANYONE from acting like a jerk - but it's not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and zimmerman wasn't acting like a jerk - he very politly inquired about why trevon was there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and trevon starting beating him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is reasonable expectation that acting like a provocative jerk is likely to result in a physical confrontation, and when the provoking jerk brings a gun along, and uses the the fun yo kill the provoked -- the reasonable conclusion is that the provoking jerk with premeditation intended (ans was prepared for) that scenario to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but zimmerman wasn't acting like a jerk - Trevon was acting like a jerk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I enjoy debate, but your continuous insistance that 'Zimmerman set out to shoot someone" is getting tired.. there is absolutly no evidence to support that.  Otherwise, he'd be on trial for 1st degree murder.  Not second.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is reasonable expectation that acting like a provocative jerk is likely to result in a physical confrontation, and when the provoking jerk brings a gun along, and uses the the fun to kill the provoked -- the reasonable conclusion is that the provoking jerk with premeditation intended (and was prepared for) that scenario to happen -- premeditated intent to provoke a situation where a killing may occur in a significant percentage of scenarios'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. you're making crap up (and that's twice now that you've mispelled "gun" as "fun")'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'te evidence is that Zimmerman armed with a gun decided to act like a confronting vigilante (and was supposed to know that acting in such a manner was likely to result in violence)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - you're making crap up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman, by acting as a "vigilante judge jury and executioner", violated the victim's rights. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman acted like a murderous racist -- "hunt and kill the n***** down" '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's legal in the US'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'tell Obama that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zimmerman didn't act like that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's 'obama?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a sneaky suspicion you're being trolled, vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman racially profiled and went hunting'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and did it well... bagged himself one'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know Biden is worried when he comes out and very specifically attacks Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, claiming that they "run the GOP"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talk about own goal, geee Joe, why not just advertise the biggest threat to your party's dominance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not entirely convinced that 'ol Joe is sufficiently evolved to be so self-aware as to be 'worried''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grab a bowl of popcorn every time 'ol joe gets near a microphone'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, world's oldest person died, last one to be born in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really sad :-('
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and awesome: http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/12/prism-class-action-lawsuit-filed-20b-injunction-sought-against-complicit-companies-and-officials'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bits of north colorado and nebraska contemplating a vote to split from their respective states, forming a new one'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deja vu all over again.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was talking about it earlier this week.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's predictable that rural states will want to split away from large city states, they have inevitably different requirements'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one size does not fit all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Australian PM Julia Gillard branded a menu for an opposition fundraiser "grossly sexist and offensive" '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'It featured a dish called "Julia Gillard Kentucky Fried Quail: Small Breasts, Huge Thighs and A Big Red Box". '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha, well, it is sexist and offensive, even if it is funny'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'You certainly don't see any male politicians broken down and turned into meals based on their anatomy o_o'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, it'd be like advertising the 'male politician of your choice Rocky Mountain Oysters -- the smallest you'll ever see!''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Lol!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sexisim is a highway with 99 lanes going one way, and one lane going the other'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The US Army estimates that for every three case of sexual fill-in-the-blank persued by females, there are one case NOT persued by females, and three cases not persued by males... the number of female on male harrasment suits persued in the US Army is statistically non-existient.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pursue. And yeah, I know guys who have had something happen that they refused to report because they thought everyone would laugh at them when they claimed that they were raped by a girl.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'They also maintain that it is not a "I'm too mocho to report it" issue... Men just don't let it bother them, or hinder their effectiveness... they are just tougher.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"being laughed at" isn't usually the case... it's just considered too trivial to be bothered with.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, the guy I knew was quite bothered but sure he'd never be believed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - fear of 'disbelieve', or the 'fear that noone will dare persue it" are other less prevelent reasons why men don't report... but it's mostly because they just don't really care.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I can't agree with trivializing sexual assault in that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women are fragile when it comes to sexual harrasment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh ... doesn't make it okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most women who report aren't looking to cause trouble... the incident just really messes them up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where as men stuff it in a mental box and get on with their job'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's not usually one incident of harrassment'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems like alot of people dont understand what sexual harrasment even is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'usually a series of incidents'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some do and some don't, in both genders, tyvm. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'repeat, or 'hostile work workplace' incidents are actually relatively rare in the army.. most of the incidents that reach the trheshhold for notice are SIGNIFICANT events.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. frankly, I think that counting things like a guy having a pinup on HIS locker as 'hostile environment' trivialize hostile environments where, for example, you can't turn around without having someone accidentally grabbing your ass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are "I can't belive he/she DID that" type event... daily adversity is a fact of life in an organization that shoots and is shot at every day'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lunch time... good conversation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Colt Firearms sold 101,000 AR-15s last year, and expect to sell about 106,000 this year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alright! More people with guns! I can feel the crime rate in the U.S dropping already. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the AR-15 was first made in 1959, and is the most popular personal defense weapon in the country right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is it more people with guns, or is it people with more guns? ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colt bought the gun design from another company that created it, and then licensed it to the US govt for military use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats what happens when you threaten to ban something'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sure do hope PTR guns decides to move to Texas from Connecticut, they have 6 year waiting list for their guns they are so popular.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They sold 6000 guns last year, and hope to fill 10,000 orders this year, and 15,000 next year if they can get enough employees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they're bringing all the damage control they can to bear on this NSA spying thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when government responses start contradicting each other, you know they're flailing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'marvel comics prove that spiderman exists..'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Logical statement :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'debate ok im gonna pull some statistics out of my sdebate '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'My interest is not in proving the "God" exists and using any western religion as evidence, I do however get discouraged when people blatantly disregard the Scientific Method. Just me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'heres some stats for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Anyone can create statistics with the right question to satisfy predrawn conclusions. Next!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You can neither prove nor disprove god. Wake, be a man, go to work in the morning, love your family, love your neighbor. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'That's kinda where I fall :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no you shouldn't believe in a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_population_believe_in_God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080722053603AA0J4uB'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '!85%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'majority of intelligent people dont believe in god actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'god does or does not excist! there is NO proof whatsoever! AND DON'T use that BIBLE is my PROOF, No one can even prove that The bible is The truth! anyone with the time and Knowlege of using words could write the bible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'educated people (i.e. people who know why the earth is older then 4000)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a 152 IQ and I believe in God - what you DON'T believe in is irrelevent to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah i have 155 iq that doesnt mean shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'steven hawkin said people who boast about iq are retards'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'look that up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its true'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe that it qualifies us as "intelligent", and that puts us at 50/50'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he actually said that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Suggesting people who don't believe science and supernatural occurence are mutually exclusive are unintelligent en masse is not the sign of an intelligent person, citing crowdsourced answer websites that topped a google search is not the mark of a critical thinker'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'there was a lot of timein between genisis 1 and 2, you should realize this'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its a made up book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'the bible was written by jews fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just as fairytale as santa clause'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'hogoth at least we are not faithful in norse religion, probably one of the most primative of all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'wow that flew over your head'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'thats what you think! it could have been written by jhero's for all we know. The point is no one has proof of goes excistance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well bottom line yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so why do people believe in something which they has no relation to reality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'nobody has proof of his inexistence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'god's*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'because they were emotionally conditioned during a very vulnerable stage of their life'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats exactly why'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'just like the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'just like the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont need to proove somethings inexistance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'There are better ways of approaching someones faith than calling it a fairy tale. By the by...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I could give you 10billion examples'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'people belive in him for many reason. the fact that they need to belive in something bigger than them, they are scared what happens to them when they die. They do it to fit in. many reasons'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'I dont care what anyone says underpants gnomes exist and there's no phase 2'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'fairytale is accurate'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'you have to prove his inexistence, its like that cat in the box thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'accurately analagous'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Accurite yes, effective? No.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'believing in him is actually the smart choice, just ask Pascal'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'effective at what'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if your wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Getting someone on to your view.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'youve spent your entire life living a delussion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'you dont know if its alive until you open it, you can take all of the statistics you want, but until that box is open you have no idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Yes. And do you think they will give that idea up while they are forced to be defensive because you called it a fairy tale?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'No. Grow up. Learn how to get what you want.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'idc?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if you dont think science is interesting then you can fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You obviously do. You are here in Debate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is my stance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'lol dude. I am on your side. You are making us look like douches though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You are the christian that makes christians look bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok there is no way'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Just stop talking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no way we could be made to look douchier than they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course science is interesting...God invented science'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it is impossible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'For the sake of Science stop talking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i could deliberatly try and fail'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'What good reasons do you have that God is inexistant?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every law of science was deliberately written by God :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think you mean humans invented god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'who says religion isnt compatable with science'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'science does it self'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read what scientific method is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence thousands of theistic scientists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you obviously dont know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'seems like God is tied to religion and morality, which are human constructs, so the odds of a God seem commensurately low'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Obviously don't know what scientific method is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'god is not tied to morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right back atcha, hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no co relation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet all the major monotheistic religions have God and morality linked together in their religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah like killing heretics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats your morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just take a good look at extremist islam today and realize that at one point that was catholicism'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it was called the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pathetic to judge religion on practices centuries old.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'your mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your not a fan of facts and history i take it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'lowl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'becuase you live in a world of democracy, freedom, nation states, literacy, and private property.  Idiot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what does that have to do with my comparison?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you just blurt randomly unrelated things that are not valid arguments but ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it has everything to do with why even bringing up things linked to religion from the middle ages is retarded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is the history of religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is its origin'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, that's the history of humanity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant just pick and choose what you like'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'without christianity how would we tell good from bad, there would be no understanding?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and forget the bad things'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'strange how Religion can make people different towards each other. I myself do not belive in god. and now People call me a satan follower. its pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your narrowing your picture of the truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its called narrow minded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pot, meet kettle...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what the spanish inquisition has anything to do with religion and morality today?  Zilch.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Did someone say 'pot'? #_#'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'evolution explains morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'mmmmm... yummy '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and slavery was endorsed by religion btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so sometime in the last 1000 years we evolved into a new moral species?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evolution favors lack of morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Hogoth you're doing just that--ignoring the scholars of the islamic faith responsible for algebraic discoveries as well as translating the works of Aristotle, the Christian poets,painters, and philosphers, the peaceful Eastern Religions that aren't monotheistic and collectivist...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no it favors morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read what natural selection is first of all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'please explain'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite the opposite, hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no right on actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so far you've shown that you don't know what the scientific method is, or what evolution is...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're the one who thinks he's speaking for science...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'summarize to me right now what they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'trollol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'since you know better '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'go tell me what is the scientific method'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'crickets'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scientific method is nothing more than a series of logical techniques to narrow down personal understanding of observable behaviors'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'after you explain to us how evolution is responsible for the morality humans have developed over the past 2000 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ther are many examples'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which in no way conflicts with the existence or nonexistence of any deity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'of cooperation in nature'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'which is proof itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pretty sure we have been homo sapien for a much much longer period than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'working to gether was beneficial which is exactly what morality is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its economics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'hey, lets not start a war here, lets debate on why dora has a monkey, or why stickers only stick once'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'animals are by and large immoral by the human measurement'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What about when someone contradicts what's best for them, out of nothing more than a desire to do what's right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'animals work together to hunt'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'look at monkeys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'ps3 vs xbox'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most animals do not...and they hunt themselves and each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Question,Attempt to explain, design an experient, test your experient, ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE your experiment, write up a report examining all of the facts surrounding your experient regardless of the results, do not attempt to draw conclusions based on trends that can be interpretted multiple ways'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how are animals immoral?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'monkeys hunt fruit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that statement is rediculous'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I know that's boiled down for Dummies but ya know at this point :/'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'i think he mean amoral'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'monkeys have families'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they are not immoraal, theyre just stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'monkeys kill their families'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'ok, if were here since the day of earth begun. then why is there no findings of man in the dino time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok and the scientific method is logical deductions based on empirical evidence actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they dont now better... theyre moneys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so you wernt 100% right there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'dont you feel silly knowing the westboro baptist church sides with you people that believe in god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, the moral code of men today is much different than the moral code 2000 years ago.  Something was responsible for the change.  It wasn't anything to do with a notion of biological evolution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I was...read again...and it is still 100% consistent with either the existence or the nonexistence of a potential deity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its not about whos on their side its about the very fundamental idea itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that a superbeing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'is floating around controlling everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its absurd'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth monkeys kill their families and also form gangs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The irony is that science, by its nature, can not say God is impossible because we don't have all the facts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'it is absurd'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so do humans cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'but theyre mokeys, theyre stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'So is this about disproving God or disproving Christianity because you seem to be bouncing back and forth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Science is a system built on human understanding of the universe, which is a fraction of what there is to know :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they are both the same arguement actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'with no god there is no religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'humans lowe themselves to monkeys, and become stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is it even up for debate that the odds are against the existence of a God?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Not every person who believes in the possibility of creation subscribes to a religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is 0 evidence in favor of god existing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ZERO'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ririch you mean like the movie prometheus?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Hogoth do you deny that Jesus Christ never existed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I haven't seen it so I couldn't say'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'there is zero evidence of him not existing fucktard''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i could care less'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'There is this one episode of Futurama though that says it all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ghostleader: watch the personal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'byebye'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's allowed to be ignorant without being called a fucktard ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even to day there are cult leaders'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'lool'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah if there is no evidence of him existing or not existing then the conclusion isnt he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if you think thats it then your insane'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the conclusion is he may or may not exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor is it he doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'You can't draw a conclusion, but you seem bent on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'there are mountain of evidence that Jesus Christ lived, whether you believe he raised from the dead or not is another story'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's where you sit in ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'actually its proven that monkeys are the most similiar to Humans and that every Few years they make a change of knowlage. Learning to make new tools and even Learn emotions. from sadness to Remorse. they also proven to have the ability to talk but cannot use words in A sentence thus leaving it no meaning'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'eh that evidence is highly debatable'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah man, if it's insane to say that he exists despite the lack of evidence, how is it any saner to say he doesn't exist when there's just as little evidence?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'cause I dont have to wonder weather there is a thor'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Bad Chaka! Your master is not pleased!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Until human beings have learned all there is to learn in the Universe, and taking into account the discrepencies in our current theories, talking in absolutes is junk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Its easy not to care weather or not thor exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Even the laws of Physics begin to break down the deeper into the microscopic world that you go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I think Im gonna go squee now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course you don't, because nobody claims there is a thor'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'point is religion comes from a time'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'when they would burn "witches" to find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if they died they wernt a witch'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and if they didnt die they were'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no it comes from far far earlier than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea even worse'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'religion is alot older than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'exactly thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'religion was around when the earth was created and god gave it to man'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'the earth is only around 6000 years old'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'here is another contradiction to think about'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how many religions have existed through out the past'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'all with different unprovable exaggerated claims'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'basically you can apply your arguements to scientology'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Man lived at the same time as dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i agree with the notion that the odds are against the existence of a God, because religion seems clear to me to be a human construct to cope with mysteries like death and natural phenomena.  But I'm open to the idea there is a God.  I hope there is, and that he's kind.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no un proof of xeon planet aliens putting us here'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and trapping our souls in volcanos'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'there are pictures in ancient temple of man fighting images of dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just as probably from what evidence we have which is none'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Hogoth, I think you should look into some of the Eastern Religions. Also, shift your focus, instead of drawing the conclusion that everyone that believes in God--one or many--is ignorant, look into some of the things those people have accomplished. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'probable*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what have they accomplished?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'riri: I think you just opened pandora's box'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what have all the scientists throughout the ages accomplished? quite a bit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Don't be lazy, try and find out for yourself. I suggest the rennisance for a period of time'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religion hasnt done anything actually, they were responsible for the bloodiest wars in history'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody's talking about religion doing stuff except you'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'throughout history, the vast majority of scientists have believed in God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I think it would be a strech to say good done in name of religions =< bad done in name of religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'also responsible for billions in charity funds and charity work today'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sir Issac Newton was a devout Christian and made most of his greatest discoveries in an attempt to show the beauty of God's Universe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah that has no relation to a magical god though'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats where it disconnects'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'real physical actions and magical mumbo jumbo'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we were talking about people who believe in god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant pray hunger away'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'actualy things must be done'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were asked to look at their accomplishments and you asked what accomplishments'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, you keep changing your arguments when you get shot down, man. Weak.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about that old lady that's gonna live on nothing but sunlight ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I keep my stance on every argument I have'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so no, your wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you keep it as defeated'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'but thats ok, dont get angry'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'people are falliable its ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'boy are they ever'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, atheists like you are in a similar logical position as religious believers'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'glad you agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hogoth IS a religious believer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'im in the opposite state of religious'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's a zealot, quite a religious term'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religiousity requires believing something with no evidence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Atheism is a religeon'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he uses no logic, and just blindly runs forward'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'everything I argue is provable'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and cuthbert from what i have read in history newton was a closet alchemist and an adeist at the least which isn't far from athesist especially for the era he lived in.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've already agreed that you're believing in something with no evidence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes Hogoth, the exact opposite end of the spectrum; the only difference between you and the hardcore religious zealots is that they'll ignore facts to promote religion, while you'll ignore them to deride it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'saying atheism is a religion is like saying your favorite sex act is abstenince'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you cannot prove that god does not exist, simple as that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since you're the one claiming that there's ZERO evidence for the nonexistence of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anymore than someone can prove god does exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'abstinance is a sexual orientation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the right metaphor is abstinence is agnosticism'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'cmon...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, really :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i guess it depends on the reason for abstaing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe in his later years, Rand. During his active years however he was unabashedly religious; I think he may have gone more Humanist in his later work though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, "not getting any" is different than abstinance...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'when someone in the scientific community claims something there must be reproducable evidence, end of story'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant go to the scientific community and tell them they dont have proof of non proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, here you are making blatant claims without any such thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is retarded...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't think any real scientist would claim they can prove the existence of god.  that's why it's called faith.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they accept a notion without proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just like you accept your notion without disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what notion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the existence of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i dont believe the existance of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your the one who is makeing the claim he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's your proof?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i never did, actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well your stance is that he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no its not'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'whats your stance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i've said it twice on debate, look at history if you care'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'hmm this is just my personal thoughts but i think newton was an unreligious person but in the era he lived and the fact he was as famous as he was he feared the results of being heretical'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'too far back, say it again'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'basically agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well are you also a flying sphagetti monster agnostic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and a orbiting-tea pot agnostic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'odds against existence, accept there is no scientific proof, hope he does exist if he's a good god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I don't believe your monster exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I view the world probabilsitically'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Entirely possible, Rand! Though Humanism was starting to beat back the dangers of agnosticism, and even outright atheism by that point. But I mean, the problem with history is we won't know because we weren't there. :( ... Newton defintely made lots of references to God, and as I said, was on record as stating he wanted to explore scientific discovery not to dis-prove God, but show the beauty of God's creations.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whether it was a cover is better left to experts ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if god is probable even the slightest, then so is spaghetii monster'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert took a few University courses on it, that was it :P
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so is orbiting tea pot'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so is anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'anything is possible then'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And anything isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hogoth: you're confusing god with fsm...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no hogoth that's a thrid grade level understanding'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We can barely get past our own moon and you're going to say what is and isn't possible in the Universe? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very few people here have been referring to the judeo-christian god, but rather to the possibility of a higher power being'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'anything is not neccesarily possible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there is so much instances of gods, from alha, god himself, zeus, thor, salzek. seoragoth. What ever you want to call it. the concept is Humans need to belive in higher power'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Jumping to conclusions is a pretty blatant logical fallacy, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there's no such thing as a FSM agnostic or any other type of agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion is evil in moderndays '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'God can exist within human logic.  For example, it may explain what happens after death.  And millions of people believe, and that matters.  your monsters are copmletely illogical.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're agnostic, you're merely stating that you cannot know (or sometimes just do not know) whether there is or is not a higher power'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not specifying any particualar higher power, or choosing one over another'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well you cant know if there is a FSM'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly. Deism is where all the cool kids hang out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how could you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but if there is, he's just "god"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're still not an FSM agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how is he just god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'god and FSM are seperate entities'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sez who?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one god many manifestations'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i know there is no FSM becuase I know you just made it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i didnt say FSM was a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he is spaghetti'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'honestly i have more respect for actually believers and atheists then i do to half arsed followers(don't believe but go through the motions from fear of being wrong or for others benifit) or worst of all agnostists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and flys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I was born into a world where millions of people taught the existence of an FSM and books were written about it and the powers of the FSM explain mysteries, then I evaluate that much differently'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, rand's anti-pascal'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i respect agnost more then theist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'if god made us, and you state we cannot just simply excist, then how did god come into excistance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, Rand. I'm fine with agnostics. I have no issue with people who feel they don't have enough info to make a conclusion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea its fundamentalists who make me want to vomit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: '"god put dinosaur fossils here to test our faith"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'do you consider santa claus possible?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, not to test our faith'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'haha, Lol thats bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what about zombies'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and goblins'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well you have no disproof too bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'too bad your crazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my proof is they are fantasy and fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'adam wasn't created as an infant, but as a grown man...similarly, the world was created as a "grown-up", complete with fossil records :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well my proof is god is fantasy and fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But zombies DO exist!  I see them every day, clustered around the coffe pot...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what kind of proof is that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my proof is there aren't millions of people who think they exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Coffee, rather'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its not good enough proof but you seem to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert enthusiastically high-fives Jhav!
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you play word games without a mature understanding of the world.  it's cute but getting boring'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hogoth, the difference between Kojiro saying he doesn't believe in Goblins, and what you're saying, is that you're applying your belief to other people and stating they're ignorant for thinking differently than you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'irony at its best'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'seriously though it's been very amuseing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'goblins are creatures invented by fiction writers.  you can read about them in the fiction part of the bookstore.  fiction means the author MADE IT UP.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can respect your belief that there is no God, what I find disturbing is your almost fundamentalist like desire to shove that belief onto everyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hogoth - where does all this "Faith-Hate", and "anto-religious-rage" come from?  This goes well beyond simple distaste... did you get raped by a priest in catholic school or something?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '-20'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read history of religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and youll find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religion is poison'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you been "crusaded" against?  did christians butcher your family?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'd like to note that people moving the bible, etc to the fiction section always causes me to giggle in a most immature way.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they abused children and dont pay any taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'religion today does more good on balance than bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'why dont they pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'fuck them'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did a muslim piss on your yard this morning?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you only like to look at the information that confirms your bias'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they should pay taxes like everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Charities don't pay taxes, fuck them too?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont even look at information'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so i guess im ahead of oyu'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my analysis of your goblins and zombies and FSM is all based on information, actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean like NOW, the NEA, and a hundred other agnostic non-rpfits that DON'T pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you still fail to differentiate between something which doesn't exist and something which might exist but we can't prove it or disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'incorrect i did distinguish'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no distinction between god and santa clause'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just trying to figure out your angle, Hogoth - you must have worn out TWO keyboards typing all the RAGE in just this one evening.  Where's the HATE coming from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'in the relation of bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, saying "same thing" isn't quite distinguishing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you claim can't prove existence of zombies anymore than god, therefore if you think zombies don't exist then god must not exist.  this is first grade level reasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I'm smiling and laughing not rageing, correction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm calling angry high-schooler who just found out who Richard Dawkins is. Anyone wanna take that bet? :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you still havnt disproved'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'zombies and goblins'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'saying they are in a book isnt disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's like you are on a single minded GOD-SLAYING MISSION!  it's almost as if renouncing religion IS your religion, Hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'we all know that now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'A theist an athesits and an agnostic come to a T in the road.. The theist prays for an answer and goes right, The atheist says screw that and goes left,  The agnostic looks both ways and just continues to stand there '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it is my agenda'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are in fiction books.  i see 3 fantasy movies about them every year, written by humans.  why is it hard to understand they don't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'im open about wanting religion to die'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then when the theist or atheist walk off a cliff, he knows which way to go!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert tries to high five herself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that isnt disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'a muslim terrorist, a communist, a coward, an illegal alien, and a dumbass all walk into a bar at the same time.  The bartender says "Whatll it be Mr. President?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you should consult the defintion of "fiction", which is where these books are found'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet, the bible isn't found there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'at some level all these outcomes makes sense but are all incompatible and anyone that holds one of them will think the others crasy and no arguement can change that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if i take a bible and put it under fiction does it make it fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if i label you crazy does it mean you are crazy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you are demoted to kindergarten now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well that doesnt disprove zombies sorry'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'still havnt disproved anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if i take an atheist manifesto and put it in fiction section does it make it fiction?  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you can't disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read plato metaphysics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh no, you don't bring Plato into your garbage, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Plato argued that there WAS an afterlife.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea but what else did he say'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Define "zombie"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he admitted'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hogoth: I just don't understand why you are so viciously bent on dictating what the rest of us believe... you say it's "your Agenda".  What else is in your agenda?  do you mean to tell us what to eat and read and watch on TV, too?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that it was impossible to prove'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So kindly go actually read Plato and don't just skim the Cole's notes to back up your hilariously poor reasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can disprove it, actually.  I can survey 1,000 people and I will get 1,000 people telling me that they know zombies are fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'regardless of where you place the book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'regardless of where you place the book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well i see it as a positive'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'for the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so its not a selfish interest'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'more of a side hobby'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'do real zombies exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'really real'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet it's what YOU see,,, while the majority of the world sees it differently... what give YOU the right to decide for the rest of us?  Are you an elitist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ones that arnt in a book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they do, there was that florida guy on bath salts'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and flying spaghetti monster too is real'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'thats flawed logic kojiro since if you did said survey in haiti or other islands in the carribean you would get a very different result'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It depends on what you mean by 'zombie' really.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, they don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yes, yes they do'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99.9999% rounds up to no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you pulled that stat out of your ass'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that the truth doesn't require anyone to believe it in order for it to still be the truth...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it isnt subjective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a survey is proof of opinion, not evidence of existence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'truth is objective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, the point is is there some crazy absurd chance?  that we are in the matrix?  that the univserse is a speck on a gian'ts fingernail?  99.9999999% probably not, = no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth you can never know truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how can you tell?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'becuase i claim your eyes are actually deceiving u'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how can you tell?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it may not be known as the truth by anyone at the time...much like "If God exists...AND he's the God of Abraham...AND Hogoth tells him "you don't exist"...that won't stop him from stomping on Hogoth ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what you perceive as truth is false'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how can you prove your eyes aren't deceiving you?  that you aren't in fact insane and the true reality is different from what you observe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it's impossible to tell'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so it's not even arguable bottom line'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'which kinda makes it irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just like god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, here we are...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you can choose to believe that, or you can choose to probabilitically believe that (as i do) it's 99.9999999999% not the case, or you can say it's 100% not the case'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, "it's not arguable", "just like god"...but "I'm gonna argue about God 'till I'm blue in the face"...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the guy that wins the lottery doesn't give a shit that probabilistically he must've lost ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what would it matter if it were the case anyway, as long as what you see is consistent with the most probable explanation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you'd have to do that for everything we don't know about'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so just sit there and use your imagination for eternity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I do it subsconsciouly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and ill move on with my life'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's automatic, I know your FSM and zobmies and goblins are 100% not in existence (on earth at least)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99.9999999% rounds to 100%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'same with god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Imma tell you something.  Creativity and imagination about the unknown is a key in advancing society and science.  You have to make some sort of inductive leap from a trend to a general truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and that is where I disagree, I think the odds of a god are somewhere between 1 and 25%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except when it's the 0.0000001'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'but for what reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont even have to answer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i allready know your answer comes short'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can't speak for the chances of their being a god or not being a god, or being in the matrix or not being in the matrix.  Ultimately, doesn't matter except insofar as the effects can be observed and used for gain.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i have nothing against creativity and imagination'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And if you can at some point get a nice test of the existance of god, that would just be lovely.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Except when people use those imaginations to believe in something you don't, then it's a curse that must be expunged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well once you start BELIEVING in things that dont exist yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that can be destructive'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There you go, speaking in absolutes again. Plato would spit on your feet, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Can you perhaps think of the religious as those seeking a proof of god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It might help you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'seeking proof?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i've already shared the reasons, but it concerns being born into a world where billions of people believe in the notion and raised in a country (the US) that acknowledges a God.  There is some % chance they are right, and it's higher than .00000000001% but less than 50%.  as i learned about the history of humans and religion, the odds go down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Kojiro how old are you just curious'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'old enough to vote, not old enough to collect social security, but rich enough to retire'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then of course, there's always pascal's wager'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm just trying to advance a view here that might help you step back and see that spewing bile at each other isn't helping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i didnt ask about that but ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav grins evilly at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic that's more about the concept of heaven than a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well I'm actually debating hes makeing personal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert pukes on Jhav.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav thanks Saint Cuthbert heartily.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i did throw a few out there admittedly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, what is your reaction to my reasons?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but we just called him blaise'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think if you polled 1 billion people about something and you get an overwhelming majority coming down the same, there is a good chance they are right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if i was god i would puke on churches'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's a logical fallacy, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then again, if you'd polled the population of the world about the shape of the planet a few centuries ago...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Dunno about that, Kojiro.  Democracy isn't a very good measuring stick of truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm smarter and mroe educated than  99% of that billion, so I have a different perspective on the god issue specifically.  But the majority opinion demands the initial benefit of the doubt, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'simply because a bunch of people believe something, doesn't make it so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no it doesn't, but it makes it probably so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are either probably right or probably wrong.  which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if you simply believe that because a bunch of people share a common belief, that that gives it existence (I'm not even talking about god) then I can't argue with that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because there's no way you'll ever see it differently'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so like, do you know what the word "probably" means?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but there comes a point where throwing around the phrase 'something could probably exists' becomes silly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if you're lose enough with that type of reasoning, anything could possibly exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when is that a silly concept?  seems like a powerful one.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it may seem like it, but it's not'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you want to claim that anything can possibly exists, I mean, I can't technically argue with that.  But it's an idea that many times doesn't really advance the discussion very far'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is nothing loose about it, it's very tight and simple.  does the big majority of a very large group of people (billions) believe a certain way?  If yes, then there is a very good chance their beliefs reflect the reality/truth.  Not always, but pretty often.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd have to prove that outside of it making sense to you personally'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at this point, that's simply a claim that you're making without any proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lets ask a billion people if hogoth's zombies or FSM or goblins exist for starters'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, I suppose that's kind of the idea behind philosophy and whatnot'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't need to observe to know the results'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but the results don't reflect reality simply because a billion people agree on something'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'then let's ask what color do they see the sky without clouds?  most will say blue, some color blinded will say something and blind people won't know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we could all agree that there's life out in this universe, and it's probably pretty likely, but simply because we agree on it doesn't actually provide any evidence that there is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they probably do, and that's a powerful filter for nonsense like hogoth's zombies'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think you would have a large majority on that question'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, I'm not saying he was making any sense, I'm just saying that you using the idea that a whole bunch of people believe in something makes it likely, that's simply an incredibly poor way to vette any type of conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'assuming that it's based purely on opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the utility is as a negative filter'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you go back to your sky example, well, we can actually collect some sort of data on that, so asking people about the color of the sky actually starts to become data points'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth asked me what's the difference between zobmies and god if i can't prove/disprove either how can i view them differently?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you can't prove either, then they are equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I disagree, because I view the world probabilistically'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with it. If the only thing that can be shown of either is that their existence can't be proven, then they are equivalent objects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is .0000000000001% chance = zero that zombies exist.  I think there is 1 - 25% chance that a God exists.  These concepts are not equivalent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they have all points we can discern in common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's simply your belief, there's nothing that really exists to quantify that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure there is -- poll a billion peole'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that brings us back to that not being a proof of anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think that poll is probabilistically a good indicator of truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'especially when "i dont know" is an option'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '0.000000000000000000001% =/= 0'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to quote Dr. Banjo, 'Things don't exists simply because you believe in them.  So sayeth the great Creature in the Sky''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, you can set a probability of existence of either even after you said you can't prove that either exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes I can, anaristos.  it's called uncertainty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't apply the principle of uncertainty to an event that hasn't been shown to ever exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but everything you've suggested is subjective, unless i've missed something that you've mentioned that isn't subjective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the actual name for that is "wishful thinking".'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course I can.  I simply acknolwedge that everything in the world is uncertain, and go from there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are we in the matrix?  .000000000000001% = zero  Is there life outside of earth?  > 50%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'both unable to be proven'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the question is whether zombies exist or not, not whether there is a probability that they exist or not, To claim a probability is to dodge the question.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet not equivalent ideas'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Stop trying to apply math to a non-rigorous situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially when you can't even prove that the probability exists.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you brought in the idea of probability.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, it's to acknowledge uncertainty.  the answer is I don't know, but I have an opinion on the level of (un)certinty'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'd disagree.  We might never proove there's life out there, but it is something that could potentially be proven.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you could say the same about the matrix'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until 20 years ago, we had no evidence of a single planet outside our solar system...but the probability that they existed was reasonably high'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, you could'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'I don't know =/= nonzero probability.  Your knowledge has absolutely zero effect on the nature of the probabilistic statement you're trying to make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course it has everythign to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'non-mathematical uncertainty is useless. You are saying that what exists is based on your personal knowledge base. Now, you can say that about your universe of discourse, but not to mine.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'That's like saying I don't know if there are unicorns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'but it has no impact on the situation.  So stop using math.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'MY probabilities are based on MY knowledge.  they are claerly my judgments.  I m ay be wrong, yours may be different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There ARE unicorns -- it's just a rhino who went on a diet!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that I agree with , Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't claim that zombies exists simply because you are not certain that they don't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'whut'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zaeris, guess what?  math is great for dealing with uncertain situations.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I make odds every single day for a living.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, perhaps you have personal zombies that only you can perceive. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '.0000000000001% = zero on that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, well, wish I could hang around, but dinner beckons'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, tell me how you arrived at that number.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Yeah - you don't understand the impact of your knowledge on a non-rigorous statement.  Your knowledge doesn't have any application or interaction with the existence of a god.   Hence saying I do not know, does not imply a nonzero probability'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's what I think the truth is based on my experience in literature and movies with the concept of a zombie and knowing they were invented by men for entertainment and do not exist in reality, as well as inconsistent with all the science i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, it's an arbitrary value.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'xaeris you are just saying he either exists or doesn't.  I agree its binary, but so what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what?  each man's opinion is arbitrary.  so.. guilty as charged?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'He's saying you cannot assign odds based on a LACK of knowledge.  Saying that you do not know it to be zero is not equivalent to it being non-zero.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do you disagree with my zero % chance of personal zombie?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so why bother giving it a numerical value?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because some things are more or less certain'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I am certain that zombie doesn't exist.  I am much less certain that god does not exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's also called being open minded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they existence of one is a likely as the other. The probability of either fact is arbitrarily small and, in fact, can be set to the same value.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't think any of us (other than perhaps Hogoth) are claiming that there is absolutely a zero chance of their being a god or not.  We're saying we don't know the odds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'jhav -- i KNOW there is uncertainty.  I can assign odds based on my assessment of the certainty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And neither do you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos just did, jhav'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't have to know the odds to have odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav looks at Not Guilty Kojiro and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'one cannot know odds if an event isn't repeatable, and these aren't repeatable events'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but I can know my best guess at the odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am just going by your establishment of a percentage for zombies :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that is called an opinion, and it's what open-minded opininions are made of'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I wouldn't waste a number that way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You can believe whatever you like to believe - but claiming them as universal truth is going a little far. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've never claimed a universal truth...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has claimed an universal truth here, that I can tell.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I state what I believe and you guys are trying to tell me I'm illogical or wrong, when I'm not :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you miss the point. You say that it is something you believe, that says it all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(Debate) Kojiro: 'I am certain that zombie doesn't exist."'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you can show that your belief is based on objective reality, it is a fantasy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no jhav, I said I am 99.9999999999% certain = 100% certain zombies don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your believe doesn't have to follow the facts, but they have to be based on something identifiable as fact.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't care what you think is fantasy, somehow the subject of non-equivalence of uncertainty came up, so I expounded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all non-existent objects are equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a very small minded undestanding of "fact".  personal experience is a "fact".'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, experience is a fact, but that which you experience needn't be.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is hogoth your alt?  you argue the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zombies and god are as equivalent to you as they are to him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as they remain fantastic beings they are equivalent  :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a long way of saying "yes"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i wonder if you truly believe zombies and spaghetti monsters are equivalent to god, or if you went down an argumentative rabbit hole'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I try to look at the context of the argument and shape my response accordingly without risking falling into a semantic trap. Traps in this sort of argument are many.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm a simple guy.  no traps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you say :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the main trap here is the allure of trying to show that either zombies or god not exist. The trap is the attempt to prove a negative premise.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '(un) certainty is a spectrum.  Many things cannot yet be proven, but one can rationally assign different probabilities to the truth.  Does life exist outside of earth?  Is there a God?  Do I have cancer right now?  Will I get cancer?  Would my wife give me the last seat on a lifeboat leaving the Titanic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'being nunable to prove the answer to each question does not make them equivalent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'some of the answers are more certain than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that is an important idea for all you absolutists tuning in'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, since we know life exists, it is not a great leap to think that it might exist elsewhere. We also know cancer exists. God ( and zombies), on other hand, currently belong to the realm of the fantastic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in, fact, humans can't even decide what a god is, the definitions are legion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so you admit some leaps are smaller than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all those questions have in common that the answers cannot be proven'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, to me, thinking that life can only exist on the earth is an example of egocentricity. For some reason humans tend to think that they are the cat's meow. The relatively little we can observe of the container in which the planet moves is enough to scuff at the idea of life being native and unique here.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'extra planetary life cannot yet be shown to exist. But we have the theoretical means to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Woah, I left and got dinner, ate it, used the bathroom, loaded a bowl, smoked it... and this is still going on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in a relative few years we will be prancing among the stars (relative to the age of the planet, of course) :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's all nice, maybe that view leads you to handicap it at 95% yes.  but you can't prove it.  Yet, that's a different conviction than perhaps the question of God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the point is that the existence of a god is not necessary. The craving for the divine is a human peculiarity  to cope with mortality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I would like to know how you think we can manage to cross the distance between stars when light itself takes ages'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you, for instance, accept as a premise that god doesn't exist. The universe would still look the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i happen to agree with that idea about humanity, which is why I handicap God at 1 - 25%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you don't accept the premise and insist that god does exist, the universe still looks the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure, unrelated questions that have only in common that each cannot be proven today, yet you have differing opinions about the certainty of the answers'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'therefore NOT equivalent'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you can show how god is necessary for the existence of extra planetary life, I'll go along.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'alright, i rest my case'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos waves goodbye to Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like this immigration/NAFTA bill will be kicked out, and used by the democrats to further demonise/destroy the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the only way forward is for the old GOP to be destroyed, allowing the proper constitutional republicans to take over the remains'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a constitutional republican?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A libertarian.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can you be to the right of Ghegis Khan and also be a libertarian?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't know. I was trying to make a funny.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That said Libertarians aren't so bad. I think we could use a few more of them elected into office.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have you down as a troll, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you need to consider what republicans originally stood for, since the republic and the constitution are kind of necessarily linked. What you are thinking of it what has -happened- to the republicans, because you are right, they are now basically warmongering neo-cons. The same can be said of 'liberals'. Democrats are not liberal. The word liberal has been usurped and ruined in exactly the same way 'republican' has'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so modern definition of republican: warmongering neo-con, modern definition of liberal: warmongering authoritarian 'progressive' socialist'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither mean what they are supposed to'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what are they supposed to mean'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look em up'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at how they were defined 200 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah, i dont need to get on the nsa prism list thx'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''liberal' has nothing to do with left or right, but to do with authoritarian vs libertarian. Clue is in the name 'libertarian'. '
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. Obama is an authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that right-wing libertarian is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you believe it is because you are trying to cast multi-dimensional ideology system into one dimension that has only left/right/center'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the very minimum it requires 2 dimension to describe an ideology. Ideally 3 or 4'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's that I know that a right-winger will try to rule me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so will a left winger, anaristos, so your deposition fails at that point'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but a left-winger will try to buy me off, the right-winger will try to kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i need to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, good night and dream on :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'a French maths teacher showed the horror movie Saw to a class of 11 year old kids'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do ill effect, I presume?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to ill effect, I presume?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'kids returned home visibly upset'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the teacher has been suspended'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'defense?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the teacher said "To think you you will watch your first horror film in maths class" '
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'staffing problems at the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case of the 'stupids', then, perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think that it may be illegal to deliberately show 18 certificate movies to underage people in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'France may well be different'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I accidentaly (as in failed to think about it at the time) added a smily face to my signature on a 'group' condolence card - stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not a disaster, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still - I was temporarily suspended from being considered 'smart''
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'did you make a sarcastic remark?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point being - a supension is probobly an appropriate response - if the teacher's 'stupid' condition was isolated and not cronic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes, I agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a "nice sauce", a "nice roast", a "nice this or that". etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michan'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who like 'in app purchase' based games?'
T3/r7/2013-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'What happend to the the craftsmen that are good at ONE thing.  Why the hell do companies/people feel the need to do everything?  The word NO is very powerful.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When did those craftsmen exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I have discovered the REAL cause of global warming...'
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The sun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how easy is it to hide in a minivan owned/driven by a mom with two young kids?  Doesn't seem like there'd be enough space in the back such that mom doesn't notice a creepy strange man is already in the car when she gets ready to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'behind the 3rd row seat is a great place, assuming they don't open the rear hatch to put in groceries or anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree... the space behind the last seat is not visible unless the hatch is openened'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... what Mael said'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'then they park it in the garage and the house is yours'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but how big is it?  I've been in some minivans in my day, and while a grown man would fit in there I don't think he could just pop up and flip over fast enough to overpower the mom while she's driving.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'i don't think land deeds work that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends. If he waits for the right time, maybe it's dark anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could also have been on the floor behind the second seat, in which case he could crawl up fairly easily'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't mom, or at least the kids, notice him there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kids were likely glued to an LCD screen of some sort'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily. people can be amazingly blind when they "know" what's somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'kids are dumb, von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how old were kids?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kids are 2 and 5, so I expect she'd be putting at least one of them in instead of just opening the side door.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he might've been under a blanket or sometthing'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but open side door, strap 2yo into seat, don't look at blanket in back, something like that'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the original story here? jumped in late, and the buffers doesn't show nothing'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where is this article?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ah i think my google-fu found it'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/mother-protects-kids-alleged-carjacker-told-him-messed-174656902--abc-news-topstories.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's absolutly plausible'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with that accounting of events'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when my youngest brother was 7, we drove 40 miles down the road before we realized he'd gotten out of the car at the last stop and not gotten back in. if you can legit not notice a missing kid, I think you could also legit not notice that the blanket is a bit lumpier or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... the story indicated that he only got as far as the kids before he threatened her'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mom or kids noticing him doesn't stop him from overpowering her'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, he also said 'if you don't want your kids to get hurt' -- all he needs to reach is the kid in the middle seat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or threateneing her kids with the knife'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should have had a gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'note to self: avoid confrontation with adults, go after the kids instead'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then the libs could make hay'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Most moms are a lot more careful when someone's threatening their kids, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the Two-year-old could pull his 'leagaly registered' concealed .380 outa his elmo socks and popped him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, this IS texas...'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids were, but I imagine that was more from being born'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the mom was an idiot though, she should've gone to an ATM like he asked'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... and put her pin number in backwards? =p'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, though, article didn't say'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, and given him cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's really hard to be a hero when your children are at risk'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thinking of keeping her kids safe my ass, she got damn lucky all 3 of them didn't end up dead'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are some questionable aspects to that news story :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems she ran into the most inept carjacker in history :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That woman should have had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the highjacker should have had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The kids should have had guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And no one answered me if he was fat or not. That was important.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they did answer'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hans answered: [16 Jun 22:01:27] (Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, though, article didn't say''
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Articles need to start going into detail. I want HARD NEWS dammit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the article said that the man had a knife. A poor weapon for carjacking. A poor weapon anyway, if you want to stay out of the reach of your victim.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'poorer still when your vic rams a telephone pole hoping to launch you into the windshield'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, that's interesting. She must have taken the time to strap herself and kids down before doing that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I guess next time she'll aim for a wall instead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her and the kids were strapped in before he made himself known'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought she as at an ATM?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'drive-through atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, your reading comprehension sucks tonight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I just scanned it'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'according to the version of the story I've read, he told her to drive to an atm.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'you're mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, good, that means I can give you spankings. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'This is why they should take all the guns away. We can allready defend ourselves with cars and the uber effective law enforcement officers:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte has just 'pfft'ed you! How disgusting!
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Media blackout incoming.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that coming from the Rupert Murdoch divorce?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I never trust a man named Rupert. But I always trust a man named Rick.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'isn't "Rick" the same as "Dick"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'I think...'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Both nicknames for Richard, not 'the same''
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'Yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'History has shown that dicks cannot be trusted :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no matter what they say :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I dislike the trend of people naming their children pussy ass names like Kayden and Jayden and shit like that. It's like they want them to wear dresses and pee sitting down so bad. '
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'there's a lot more to names than you're letting on'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm talking about boy names of course.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds like a leap to me. A name makes you wear a dress?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'My name is Sue! How do you do!'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'My name is Lee! How do you be!'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like that story in the news about a boy named "Coy" who is being raised as a girl because the parents said he liked the girl toys they surrounded him with. They sued the school he was going to for not letting him use the girls bathroom. For chrissakes the little kid is even saying he wants to have the "operation" already.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't blame that on the name, his behavior is completely explained by environmental factors.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if you named him Robert, he would behave the same in the same environment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not blaming it on the name. I just dislike them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Bjork or Lady Gaga?  Go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like them both :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kickass headgear from Bjork at Bonnaroo, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Bjork by 1000 miles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and her "innie" nipples from the dress she was wearing with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Does Aardwolf dislike Metal Gear?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've only played Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge, and Metal Gear Solid (the first one).  Only got as far as the room with the bumrushing robots in Snake's Revenge, but beat the other two.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hehe Snake's Revenge is pretty underrated. It is a pretty awesome and expansive game for being on the NES.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I liked it, but I never owned it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mad props if you beat the original Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge with no walkthroughs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The rest of them have cool stories and characters but are way easier in compairison to the 8-bit ones.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think I finally got tired of dying so many times that I bought a walkthrough for MG, but we mostly did that one on our own back in our all-night marathons.  I was much too much into really long-ass games like that, though, that by the time MGS came out I bought the walkthrough book with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MGS was nice in the sense it turned the entire franchise on its head by having the game being mostly about avoidance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'MG was always a stealth game :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If you were play Snake's Revenge without using stealth, man, no wonder you couldn't beat it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'All I remember about SR were those damn robots lined up in a flying V.  Somehow you were supposed to get past them, but as soon as you entered the room they all rushed you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was fairly easy up to that point.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I vaguely remember them. I remember grenades fucking them up pretty hard. I beat Snake's Revenge a few times back in the day :p ... but the game genie helped. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely.  Love me some infinite health.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'MGS was a great followup though, I just wish 2 & 3 weren't such steaming piles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey man 2 actually has an awesome story, even if it is totally agravating.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never got to play anything after MGS.  You looking forward to the next title?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'MGS3 is one of my favorite games ever, I play through that one at least once a year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah MGSV looks to be really awesome gameplay wise. Storywise I think the series has already been run into the ground but I can dig it as long as it plays well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, men might be the cause of menopause.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as opposed to a natural way of population control?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the thinking goes that random harmful mutations are accumulating in older women and thus are not being acted upon by evolutionary processes, due to men of all ages preferring younger women.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is also natural :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the male seeks more viable females.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and because there is more competition for viable females the gene pool doesn't become stale. Male potency declines rather rapidly anyway, so female menopause must have another function.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'genetic factors that decrease male reproductive ability would get weeded out.  Apparently this is not so for females.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am thinking that the way males would influence menopause would by not being viable themselves. The lack of males of comparable age impregnating menopause age feamales would cause the process to atrophy (cuase menopause). This would mean, though, that if males can maintain potency in latter years, the propensity for menopause may decline. '
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'males DO maintain potency'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not unusual for a 70yo to father a kid'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they would be forced to seek mature females because they would be ad a disadvantage competing in a lower age bracket.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at*'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I doubt that 1000 years or so ago many females experienced menopause :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more like tens of thousands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'crazy swiss, environmental law fuels black-market trade for cat fur.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't mean to say that older males impotent, but their drive to procreate is proportionally lower. You can say that young men (14-25 for instance) are obsessed with procreation while men in their 70s may consider doing it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'speaking form experience anar?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, not yet :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the hormone profile for the two age groups are quite different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i think your statement is flawed procreation is sexaul intercourse with the purpose of creating life'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'substiture fornicate and i agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to clone myself when I am in my old age. Have one of my great grandchildren give birth to it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the mind of the human may tell them that they are doing for recration but the hormones driving them exist so that they procreate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'some researchers hypothesize that sex also plays a social role, which would indicate that at least in a few species (humans, chimps, dolphines, and a few others) that it isn't done completely with the goal of procreation'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but sex drive didn't evolve to recrate or as an aid in networking, it evolved to maintain racial continuation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( or as  the basis for commercial ventures :) )
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I agree with that, I'm just saying that there's some evidence that in it's current form, it may play a larger role than just the passing on of genes'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, one could be uncharitable and say that humans have perverted the sex drive. Though I wouldn't go that far :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, except you see , I guess, social sex in some other species.  If I remember correctly, all of them are fairly social animals (many primates, and dolphines, though I seem to recall there's others, too).'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well when a male dog humps I don't think he has procreation in mind. He just has a compulsion to do the act. I think it is the same in humans but our expanded conciousness makes us percieve it differently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor nods at DeathSyte.
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's actually what I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that in other animals procreation is curtailed by environmental factors only. While it is true that environment plays a role with humans, their ability to inhibit automated responses has "perverted" the sex drive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '- h'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'darn it'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Live q/a chat with Edward Snowden at the guardian.co.uk'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old arrested for wearing an NRA shirt to school'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'what state?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest in a line of offences coming from US child indoctrination camps'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'it had a picture of a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'West Virginia, and nogs, Tintin'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'pictures of guns kill people, well known fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone i saw the other day was wearing a slipknot tshirt, perhaps they should have arrested him'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not only that, but he's facing a year in jail for 'disrupting the educational process' because he wouldn't shut up when the police showed up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the world you live in when you listen to Rachel Maddow'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean madcow?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw a video of her whinging about republicans putting breaks on DHS buying billions of rounds of ammo, spinning it as 'preventing law enforcement from buying ammo for training' despite DHS not actually -being- 'law enforcement''
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Here's a story about 'Zero Tolerence' in schools: http://www.break.com/article/one-school-in-america-just-voted-to-not-be-stupid-2463595'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in any school district that doesn't follow suit - pay should be docked for administrators, and suspended for school boards.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CLACKAMAS COUNTY, Ore. - After an increase in crime, residents of an Oregon neighborhood have decided to take up arms instead of involving the police. Neighbors have organized what they call a Glock Block, after several residents obtained concealed carry permits.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the way to do it!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'think they need to fire their marketing guy. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neighbourhood watch doesn't have a marketing guy'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ADJhErmJuoQ'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russel Brand rocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and has tv propaganda got this obvious? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V8vXrqHurTc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsQV50l1tY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't forget - it was a Miss Alabama that told Perez Hilton to take his queer mariage and shove it up his $#%.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least that would be funny'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well - to be fair... she didn't say it quite that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but her position was crystaline clear'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am having a hard time seperating DNA from Fingerprints in terms of data gathered when your arrested - both can be digitized (though DNA is arguable more searchable).  Both can be used years later to identify you.  Both are unique.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the american fascination with vapid women trying to answer political questions?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the issue, vl?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... miss america?  years ago, the industry tried to make it seem to be more about scholorship than tits... but we all know the truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'butts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the issue of collecting DNA when your arrested - I don't see why not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they do that, it should only be kept on conviction'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i totally agree, abe, but we all know that doesn't happen, even in the UK where it's supposedly illegal to keep it'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the feds record, you'd want to trust them with your DNA like a bullet in the head'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had police in Alabama running a DUI checkpoint where everyone (EVERYone) stopped was asked to provide a blood sample for DNA recording'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, is there Alabama police inflicted violence, false charges, and coercion, if motorists refuse to provide the blood sample for DNA recording.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(false accuse the refusing motorist of being drunk, take blood sample under the pretext of checking for alcohol level, and use the blood sample for DNA recording)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate I'm not sure what you were stating there, TN... but almost universally, in the USA, you can refuse to give blood, urine or breath as pertains to sobriety checks'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... by doing so, you essencially state that your fluid samples are over the limit'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'further, in Alabama, if you object to blood being drawn, then Urine or breath test will be done instead - so YES... you can refuse a blood test with no consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonlliege, in which police state do you reside -- and does asking for a lawyer there indicate guilt (if refusal to be legally raped indicates guilt)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I live in Alabama - and no... requesting a lawyer does not confer any implied guilt'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not yet, anyway ... though getting a lawyer may involve being financially raped'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... requesting that a blood sample is a technique for gettting a lower BAC... field officers are not able to draw blood, and the time it takes to get you to a clinic or hospital could make the difference in blood alcohol levels'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's enough 'ambulance chasing' lawyers in the US, that you can get one pro-bono, who will then, if successful, couter sue the city/county/state to recoup his expenses'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and failing that, you can always get a court-appointed/funded lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'been thinking more about the whole DNA thing... I figure there should be a DB of DNA.  It would reduce investigation times and get more criminals behind bars.  Cost would be a wash - cheaper to convict - more prisioners to pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and fuck democracy :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not exactly... '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider... what is the most thoroughly DNAed group of people in the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll tell you... the Military.  When 20 DNA sample show up at a crime scene, and only 3 of them turn up in a DB, 2 of them will be current or former military... who get's hauled in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, exactly. The US government already proposed the SMART card, it was defeated but they will not give up on the idea. We already know that the government is spying domestically (read the news) now you want them to maintain a db solely for the purpose of identification. Next, to make sure you behave you will have to ask for permission to go from point A to point B.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since that aspect of DNA sampling is already lop-sided,  I'd support it just to even the field'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, since the government is run by human beings, there is no guarantee (in fact, I would bet the opposite) that they won't use the database to track people for reasons other than criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're already doing that - to be sure.  Might as well have the best tool currently available'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, if a method is devised that allows one to mask one's DNA, I am in favor of the db :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"requesting permission to travel (inside the USA)" is like soviet-style internal domestic passports '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya - not happening any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always bleach.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's the attitude that destroys civil liberties. "They are already doing that so we might as well..." instead "Let's make sure that they don't do that...". You actually believe that the government has the right to violate our constitutional and civil rights.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I make a deal with you. The government publicly quits claiming that it is democratic. I mean, they remove the word "democratic" from any official descriptions and change the constitution  to reflect the fact. If they do this, I won't mind (much) how much the infringe. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but I won't have the making the claim that they are running a democracy while implementing the same strategies that the so called tyrannies implement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Look... the constitution is already doomed.  The USA has reached a tipping point where there are so many people looking for their free chicken that they will GLADLY vote for less liberty, as long as they get their chicken.  It has to get worse before it will get better - maybe with a flash (armed revolution), maybe with a wimper (assasination and elections)....  but the toothpaste is already out of tube for this go'round - no putting it back. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DO look forward to the 'get better' part, and I'll be happy to pitch in to get there'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the beauty of the Con.  It's a living document meant to evolve with the times.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that some of you do not read the drivel you post
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what doomed the constitution were people who went around saying "you can't fight city hall". Every time the government diminished their rights, they bent over so that they could stick in farther. For a country so bent on freedom they sure have a wimpy population.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you aren't even here, something is seriously fucked up in your head for you to get so bent out of shape about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"wimpy" has been a part of the grand strategy since the early eighties (and probolby earlier)... programs like the schools 'anti bullying' campaignes are breeding generations of children who are dependent on the system to fight their battles - when they are grown, they will depend on government for the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I am sorry. I'll petition the government to put a collar around me so that they can track me just like they track dolphins and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'task, (moles speaking as though yellow-bellied capitulationists abjectly surrendering to corrupt authority)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you seriously asking to get roofied?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FACT is... Americans still get a vote - and they are voting for free chicken.  Once they have eaten all the chicken, and the government starts feeding them proccessed soy product - we'll go back to the way it was.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we know what happens to the votes. Or were to hibernating in 2000?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'were you*'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'irregularities to be sure... but not decisivley so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that the irregularities don't affect the outcome.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait - that was the 'hanging chad' fiasco - ya... that was messed up'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '2000 was a diversion meant to conjure up a problem when there wasn't actually one.  The result was formally decided twice by the one guy the election law SAID was supposed to decide it (Jeb Bush, in this case)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how nice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jeb Bush, an even bigger crook than GW, attests to the constitutionality of the Florida vote. How cute.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now your making judgements'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to offering opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just what crimes has Jeb Bush been convicted of?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not making judgments, it is well documented that Jeb and his partners fleezed the real estate market in Florida for a reported 150M'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since you claim he's a crook'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is a crook, and he can sue me if he feels I am defaming him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'provide the documents, please'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't have to provide the documents. It is all documented. Do the research yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't have to prove it to him... this is the debate channel... you just have to convince US'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, if you want to think that Jeb is an honest person, you are entitled to your fantasies. I won't attempt to change your mind.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in this case, the burden of proof is on you (the accusor)... since you don't wanna provide any... your argument is moot'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not accusing, merely reporting.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you are stating as fact - without any support for your claim.... moot'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, you don't have to accept it. Which seems to be how you want to go since you already made the claim that since Jeb Bush approved of the election in Florida, it couldn't possibly have been crooked. That was a judgment in your part. So I am merely taking the opposite position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jeb Bush's associates were Oliver North and Gen. Secord. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to men that made the US proud.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but hey, your idol might become president in 2016. So there is hope :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who said Jeb approved the election?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Anaristos the new Chemosh clone -- the reverse debating is so Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you made the claim, Hanslanda. You said that Jeb  approved the results twice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go back to sleep, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But what about our rights to privacy? What if I don't want you to have my DNA in a database?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I didn't.  He VOTED twice (I think it was some sort of appointment affidavit).  The first time was thrown out for some timing reason, but the courts didn't change the process any.  They insisted he make it official via proper channels. so he drew up another one with the same recommendation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, try to invoke a right that will prevent them from collecting it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this was all in election law prior to Al Gore's boneheaded call for review.  Had he kept quiet, Florida would have gone to him and he would've won the prez.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact is, DeathSyte, that once the people allowed the Patriot act to become law, they were screwed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but the USSC was acted unconstitutionally and got away with it. Congress just sat on its collective hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't we including dna in the child safety campaigns to combat milk-carton kids?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by definition, SCOTUS can't act unconstitutionally.  They ARE the arbiters of constitutionality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gee, and that doesn't worry you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is Anaristos is that the bill of rights actually doesn't grant any rights to us. Those ammendments are there to limit what government can do with them. Even without the Bill of Rights we all still have the rights mentioned in the document.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Can you guys come up with a more interesting debate? Oh Oh! Which creature sucks more, scorpions or black widows?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The rights are inherent and inailiable or dare I say *gasp* God given...'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would you have, Anaristos?  What kind of government?  what kind of law enforcement?  what kind of local government?  what would work for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is where you are wrong. Both 9USAmend and 14USAmend grant all the rights anyone needs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'black widows suck more.  Gotta keep the old geezer happy until they off him for his pension.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '"all the rights anyone NEEDS" ....wow lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and aren't scorpions just spiders with a tail?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wrong! My question was an analogy to the shitty options both sides of the American political spectrum offer. AH HA!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no more than lions are feral house cats. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - what's your solution?  how do we fix it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we need a revolt, to re-establish the republic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I already said that... what else?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not advocating violence. You can have a non-violent revolt. One can start by recalling all elected government officials and keep doing so until they start doing the will of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'grab a gun and start shooting.  Since in your view Republicans are just as bad as Democrats and maybe Independants aren't much better than either, there's really no way you can miss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I haven't made my views on Democrats or Republicans known :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - where will you get the authority to have a non-violent revolt and recall elected officials?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't you the one who referenced "shitty options" on either side of the spectrum?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tink that was cutt'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - where will you get the authority?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, my bad.  Still, it'll be interesting for Aard to finally have a horse in that race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That was me, and I stand by it. Only difference I've seen, as an impartial observer of the political system in the U.S, between Democrats & Republicans are the colour of tie they wear when they fuck you out of your money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Cuthbert must come from Utopiatittyland...I'm jealous.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe we can even drum up a ton of support for him on KickStarter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't need the authority, all I need is signatures :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... where do you get the signature to recall elected officials?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You should be, man. Utopiatittyland is awesome, you guys should move here!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'afterall, they got there by being voted for in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos previously praised Oliver North and Gen. Secord as two men that made the US proud. -- that seems republican'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is getting signatures different from the elections that got them into office in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was being sarcastic then, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with elected officals, anywhere in the world, is that they think that are being elected to godhood. They need to understand that when way say public servant we are not being euphemistic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... but I still don't see a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seeing as how at least one of them is on Jeb Bush's side of the table and Ana's been railing against him for a good hour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right, a politicians job should be really simple. Some shit comes up for a vote. is it constitutional? If so vote yes, if not then vote no.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the entire Bush family is crooked. So one has to wonder how  they attain high office.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not what voting is for, unless you're a bench-warming deatheater.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they make bets with the Kennedys and Roosevelts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who also were crooked :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well what if we just wait until they give us a reason to shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there an american politician that you DON'T think was crooked, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Joe bought Illinois so that Jack could win :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I haven't found one yet.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ron Paul maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Kennedy clan were nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not imagining their crookedness, history attests to it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we can accept the fact that all pploticians are crooked?  in which case... how is your level of crookedness even an issue in this conversation'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Joe was a crypto-nazi but I wouldn't make that claim about the sons. The Bush family, on the other hand, worked for the Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Clinton (with the end of term surplus) seemed okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we can effectivly null out "crookedness' as a discriminator in politics... so what's the REAL issue, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I mean they literally were Nazis.  They were so good at it that the Euro Nazis under Hitler decided they had to be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Even "Mr.Smith Goes to Washington" with Jimmy Stewart is based on the premise of a lie'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they can be as crooked as they want, Vonliege. What they do with that  crookedness is the point. JFK and Clinton, in spite of being crooked, did good for the people. You can't say that about either Bush or Nixon, for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more to the point, it seems that whatever crookedness JFK and Clinton were involved, it pre-dated their presidencies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they didn't push their agenda while being president. We look at what GW did, how much money his criminal friends made, he made LBJ look like a boy scout.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Wii U comes with this gimmick where you have to buy non-electronic accessories to even unlock/progress in games.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait until they start up with the pre-order and limited-edition stuff like they did with Pokemon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So will the Xbox 1 recover from it's PR failiure?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably not, but it might not be that big of a loss since game consoles are getting to be like PCs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have been watching these science videos in youtube. its funny how badly the smart people tend to explain stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one of the hazards of being smart, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm, the interviews are usually dumbed down quite a bit or they assume you know those important details by default.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'were you not able to follow the videos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'depends. i hate susskind:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'susskind?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mhmh'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm having a hard time following you... you assume that I know important details by default'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like "susskind", and "mhmh"'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Susskind - he is a lecturer. '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and why do you "hate" him?  did he steal a girl from you?  kick you in the jimmy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, he explains badly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but thinks he does a good job'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Woman arrested for asking cops at her front door asking to search her house for a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're so screwed'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the rest of the story?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What'd she ask them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like it'll be the best thing that ever happened to her, once the lawsuit settles'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/news/local/story/slaton-police-lubbock-wrongful-arrest-warrant/0vJ1Rr-6OkqWHtfsUtvqGg.cspx'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, litigation isn't the point - payouts come from TAXPAYERS'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something needs to be done more permanently, like firing or jailing police chiefs that let this shit happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, that's a pretty damn stupid decision on the part of the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, cuthbert, and i see multiple stories just like this EVERY DAY'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'i mean expecting any level of intelligence from the cops in the first place is a joke'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've known a few cops here in Canada, and they were great people. I don't judge cops based on the actions of idiots, but I do judge the idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are stupid cops... just like there are stupid mud players... the woman needs to get paid, and the arresting cop needs to be severly punished, or even fired.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fired'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's likely what will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Even if most are "good people" their training is to be a stormtrooper nazi. And that goes for all of them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not likely to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops aren't trained to be 'stormtroopers"... that's just crazy talk'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well couldn't he be charged with illegal confinement? Or hell, nail him with kidnapping. Police officer or not he had no authority to take her, so doing so was kidnapping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'lets all be thankful there is no violent crime in america, good thing the cops have their priorities in order'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could, but chances are the police chief will stick up for her'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Would be akin to me walking down the street, grabbing some woman and locking her up for a day. Neither of us had the authority to arrest in that situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a policeman, you don't work for the man'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a 'little person', you have no rights'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have very few cops if you held everyone to that scrutiny, Cutbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you pay 60% of your wages in tax and do what you're told'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not really Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The biggest issue (And this is not just in cops, but also in teachers, etcetera) is when the decent ones close ranks to protect the non-decent ones'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's a very simple process in terms of arresting. Warrant, witness or at least SOME motive for the arrest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with that kind of stadnard, Cuthbert... cops would be going to jail the first time they made a mistake... noones is going to work under those conditions'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'This was a pure "Do what I say or I lock you up" with no grounds to do so in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't a "mistake", vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was someone acting like a tyrant because they have a badge'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's making a mistake, and there's willful overstepping of authority, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the THAT cop will be reprimaded... likely lose some pay... and be a better cop next time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power-hungry tyrants don't 'get better''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right Tigernuts, because like I said they are TRAINED to oppress people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the sort of person you don't WANT in any kind of authority'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't know that he's a 'power hungry tyrant''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are -now-'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the evidence strongly suggests it, BL'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's for the courts to decide'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the courts aren't deciding on that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, that sort of behavior is the sort of thing that ought to cost someone a job. Legitimate mistake, or something like having seen an armed gunman run into her house and then having her stall him at the door, would be one thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right. Just like they will arrest people for "wiretapping" as in filming them with their camera phones. The cop knows that those get thrown out of court but police forces all over are still trained to make an unlawful arrest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'legitimate mistake, like having a warrant for the wrong address or something.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's step away from 'cops' for a second... how about other professions?  like oh... teachers.  are we going to start firing teachers when a student gets a failing grade?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an equivalent situation, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... how on earth is a cop willfully breaking the law an equivalent situation to a teacher having a student fail for whatever reason?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an equivalent situation would be expelling a student permanently because you didn't like him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'failure... they're both failures'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, or even failing a student because you didn't like him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're not failures'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'the real solution is to require everyone to take bongrips, keeps the peace i tell ya'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't MAKE a student learn. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, the difference between deliberate abuse and accidental error'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'arresting someone because she asks for a warrant is deliberate abuse'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what about firing a doctor who amputates the wrong leg?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'how the fuck do you amputate the wrong leg? '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... back to the cop... what ELSE was said?  how do we know the woman didn't say "get your nigger ass off my porch, bitch.  you're not getting my son"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why would that matter? He didn't even HAVE a warrant anyways AFAIK'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'name calling shouldnt justify denying constitutional rights von'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we only know what the WOMAN said she said'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i agree with DeathSyte'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the fuck would it matter what she said to him, unless it was 'I have a gun and I'm gonna shoot you''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... it WOULD add an extra facet to the argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'he shouldnt have even been near the porch without a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he still did not have a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if she said that, he should have walked away and got a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it happens too often that surgeons amputate the wrong limb'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what if she said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you"?  we don't know that she DIDN'T say that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a position of authority and power over people, you HAVE to hold yourself and be held to a higher standard than the joe public'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we don't know that she did either, but we DO know that the police didn't have a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police aren't disputing the facts'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is MOST likely that the cop got a hair up his ass and hauled her in... and he should be punished for it... but not destroyed'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example needs to be made, either busting down to a desk job, or firing'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic duty'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'busting down would be appropriate... but give him a chance to recover and be better'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if he gets a slap on the wrist, nothing happens to dissuade the next guy from doing something similar.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd trust him with traffic duty? I wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it needs to be a serious enough punishment to make others take notice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'written final warning, too, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good GOD!... you all act like everyone should be perfect at everything!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everyone, just policemen and politicians'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not perfect, but not deliberately breaking the law either.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is plenty of room for honest error and I would give slack for that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OMG... that car just did a rolling stop at the stop sign... haul him out of the car and kick his ass!... no... KILL him!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the fuck?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of attitude this cop displayed, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'thing is cops HATE when you excersice your rights. Cops do not have to tell the truth either. They can lie under the law and try to scare you into complying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have NEVER met a cop that 'hated' that I excercised my rights.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please stop throwing up strawman arguments, nobody said to kill the policeman, just that someone who has so little respect for due process and the law should find a different line of work than ENFORCING the law he doesn't give a shit about.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and fwiw, every single interaction I've ever had with a policeman has been either good or neutral. Not one bad interaction. But even 1% assholes still leaves a hell of a lot of assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I say the cop just had a bad day, and made a bad decision... noone was physically hurt or killed... the woman is going to get a huge payout... and her son is still a delinquent'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you need to find ways to weed out the 1% of assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a time where the feds are performing a rolling takeover, you definitely need to weed the 1% of assholes out of the state and county troops'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I wonder what your interactions with the police actually were Majic and Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider... that cop who's an asshole today MAY be the cop that tells his boss to stuff it when he sees the police takeover coming... '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unlikely, he sounds like the sort of craven asshole who kisses the ass of his boss'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Did you know that in NYC you can't be a police officer if your IQ test comes back to high? I wonder why that is...hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the one who upholds the law is far more likely to do that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be saying Obama will transform his administration into a transparent, constitution-loving band of angels'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'deathsyte: interactions include -- speeding tickets/warnings, fix-it tickets for a headlight being out or something like that, and being helped out at the side of the road with a broken-down vehicle'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I love debate always makes me laugh xD'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably better that than making you angry'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well add something to the debate or shut your clap hollister:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'jk Hollister, I was just setting a trap.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'ok, give me a sec and ill add something to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hollister is now going afk to take a shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mirite?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'damn tigernuts how did you know?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert farts in the direction of Tigernuts.  Better flee before she turns to you!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with age comes wisdom ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really Majic your appearence, the car you drive and where you were driving it are all factors.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'with wisdom comes age..'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Cops love me because I'm polite, white and well educated.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, ds'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'lol you must be so old you fart in your pants'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, cops don't like educated people here'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'what does white have to do with it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'racist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has a lot to do with it, my black friends can tell you all about being pulled over and hassled for going 32 in a 30.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm white, and I"VE been pulled over for going 57 in a 55'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you are a black dude in the hood and the cop asks to search you and you say no, you can bet they'll call backup, dogs helicoptor. All in the name of getting another peice of human capital into the for-profit run prisons.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, but multiple times?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh jeez... get out the foil hats!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'racist stereotype'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Are you going to argue that prisons are not privately owned and generate profit Von?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traffic cops here do go after old cars, especially "boy racer" cars, looking to escalate to a drugs bust'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'don't take off the foil hats, the aliens will brainwash you!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'prisons are nothing less than hotels'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri gallantly tips his foil-hat
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'with poor room service'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'LOL!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'obviously foil hats is debate ender'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems so'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think foil hats is kind of a sign that someone in the conversation is ready to just disregard everything in favour of belittling a valid argument... and who wants to bother at that point? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really, schools even in the US have ZERO tolerance policies all over the country. For the stupidest things you can imagine children are handcuffed and arrested all in the name of getting more people into the system.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Another debate! yay'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very true, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign of a feeble intellevt'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intellect*'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"I think A = X" "Uh oh, better get the tinfoil hats out!" you disagree, but that doesn't mean the argument is the stuff of paranoid delusion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be, but usually isn't. Hyperbole maybe, exageration? Extrapolation not supported by the facts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'err...I no speak english'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well notice how Von disappeared.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL is a good bloke, he has a habit of sometimes defending the indefensible though'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Doesn't want to consider what I have said, and yet has no argument against.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I love debate. except when people start using big words that I don't understand'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you having trouble with, Hollister?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i cant debate in english:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can you debate in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mother tongue'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'debating in another language then your native gives you a disadvantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'anything that involves cars'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lots of stuff, I'm not born english its my second language. but after you guys debated I look it up in the big book of words(dictonary) thats why I don't partake in debates'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's how you learn, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey how about this one? The Supreme court ruled that the fifth amendment only applies if you verbally invoke it. If not your silence can be used against you in court.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shout if you don't understand something'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've been practicing my French by reading children's books. There's no respectable, effective way to learn a language :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'cool, I'll do so'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'once you talk in another language, you think in that language. the trouble is, there is not enough.. hm. brain connection.. things'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't talk or think in another language. I applaud those who can'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'does anyone speak afrikaans by chance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'LOTS of S. Africans on here, I'm sure someone does :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mael waves a large bright rainbow sign reading "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Though it's getting pretty late for them right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod, they are in GMT+1 I think.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I know, its like almost 1am'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'well debate about something...like the excistance of life'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Where were you before YOU even existed!?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little room for debate. Life exists in as far as we perceive it. It cannot be argued further'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I never was good at debating. and I'm done trolling for now'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'once someone says that life is sacred, the debate is over'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal *WHAM"!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '>:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'life begins at ejaculation...masturbation is murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sobs in misery.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sacred is a term based around personal opinion, so is not helpful'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'by the billions'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My goal is to masturbate enough to get onto the U.N's Top 10 War Criminals list.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'LOL xD, oh god I killed thousands of children'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'those little phishes. they all gonna die on the napkin:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Though I "Raid"'ed an ant hill the other day in my brother's backyard and I already feel like a war criminal for it. Poor little guys. :('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'so mean'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That stuff was naaaaasty, sizzled when it dripped onto the grass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I like to pour hydrogen peroxide into the anthill...And then rubbing alcohol. To clean the place up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ants can be pretty nasty'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ants are nasty. but moles are the worst:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they have brains too so its a REAL murder. we used gasoline'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'is there life on another planet? just out of intrest'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes Hollister.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'murderer!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To believe there isn't is insane.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ants have the largest brains for their body weight'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there is? Awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can use sonic mole pikes to get rid of moles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or well, I never tried them myself so I don't know if they really work.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but the incects that dogs have. there. no english:(.. have the biggest dicks'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Considering the size of the Universe based solely on what we know about the concentration of galaxies, and planets within galaxies, there are probably trillions upon trillions of planets out there. Some of them are bound to have life.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'size doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all matter fit in a tea spoon once'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I've heard of people saying there's more humans out there. that we havn't discovered yet or that was a movie'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think you're thinking of Star Gate >.>'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh, well I heard that when I was extremely small so you can't blame me'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Now, it being said that statistically speaking there's a far better chance of there being life in the Universe, than not, I don't believe we'll ever meet them :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so if there was "aliens" why havn't they found us yet, I mean if you're right surely there should be a race more advanced than us'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life != intelligent life'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the distances involved are so gigantic, and the universe so massive, that dozens of intelligent species could co-exist and never bump into each other or detect one another'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also who says that interstellar travel is even possible?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to current scientific knowledge, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sci-fi writers mostly'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'because as far as we know, Hollister, the theory of relativity is right and warp travel is impossible. No matter how advanced a species is, they're still constrained by physics (unless they've found a way around physics :p) which means the sheer distance between us and them is insurmountable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To meet aliens they'd need to be physics bending super-beings, or immortal and have nothing better to do then spend a few hundred/thousand years flying over to say Hi.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'or maybe they have found us but do not contact us due to the fact that if they do. we would jump to far into the future causing us to skip ages making us cross lines not supposed to be crossed. if that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. Or they believe in the Prime Directive. One or the other. :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, getting to "intelligent life" is a low probability event. Could just be that very few lifeforms have reached that point yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could be the first'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or there could be ancient races, including ones that have wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or they're really the Illuminati.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Saint Cuthbert for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert looks at Tigernuts with a pout on her face.  What is she, six?
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so if spaceships aint gonna have hyper drives, then I'm guessing time travel aint happening either'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time travel is possible in one direction only'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, Michael J Fox did in Back to the Future part 2 '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they, the scientists, have just begun to understand what the space really is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'if time travel were possible. we still wouldn't be able to change it, because doing that would just change it for a few seconds. change again, and what if you had to, if you changed it and it left you to die the next day. then the one that went to the past would die too. and there would be a giant rip in time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'all explained in Back to the Future '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Time traveling into the past is a moot point anyway. Anyone who has changed the past in the future, has already changed the past. So the past we know right now is the only past possible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'damn, I made no sense'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Skynet was fucked from the start. Clearly its attempt to kill John failed because he was still alive in the present despite the attempt on his life being made 15 years earlier!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'its scary, to think that our lives could actually be controlled by us from the future'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there will be no time travelling near future'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Unless you are FROM the future.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Ooo, but if you had to go into the past then you won't excist in the future anymore. because your past would do the same all the time. then it would just lead you to being no excistint'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Now I don't know what to believe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Michael J. Fox is gay.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'gay with parkinson. that supersad'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'and if you made a bad choice in the past. and you change it by going into the past. then you would have no need to change it. and then it will just happen again. so the fact is time travel would be useless'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it would be useful for observation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I guess so, but you can't do anything otherwise you'll just start an loop'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could find our orgins as a human species. We could find out what really happened to Hitler. '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could observe Dinosuars and study their behavior.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'yeah, ok it would be kind of usefull'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Problem is if you made a bad choice in the past, you can't possibly go back and change it because if you do, you'd have been there when the choice was made initially and yet still you made the bad choice. The past has a sense of inevitability to it. Any changes we could make to it have already been made :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'actually it could save millions of lives. by looking into the future. we could find the cure for aids and cancer. man I take it back, someone build a time machine!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'time is very confusing'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I scared everyone away with my time question. or maybe I went back in time and killed them all... Guess I'll know when it happens'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well wouldn't travelling through time also be travelling through parrellel universes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So anywhere that "I" am would be the present. So if I went to the 1940's and killed hitler it would not change any history except the new timeline I created.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I don't think so, each parrallel universe should have its own time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wish I had a PhD in Hypothetical Physics so I could absolutly STOMP on this conversation.... I go nothin.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'wow, just think how many "time paths" there could be, each one Changing, opening more branches due to the fact we make our own choices, and those branches turn into more branches, that goes on and on'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'read 'cascade point'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'maybe I should write a book about time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by timothy zahn'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'whats the book about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah isn't it said that evertime a particle has to make a choice a entire reality is branched off based on that choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time travel and alternate realities... but from the point of view that 'starship captains' in the book, in order to navigate space, have to travel thru spots where possible 'other' selves manifest themselves... many captains go mad - dangeroudss work'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Thats what I'm saying, every nano second were opening more branches, within time all with different Things happening in different paces. and later turns into a tree of seperate worlds. with different versions of us. that kind of makes it parrallel universes'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'sounds intresting I'll have a look at it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'silver prices down again!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned cross at my retarded government, and even worse, at my local MP'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british politicians are seriously considering allowing corporations to poison the ecosystem, destroy farming, and poison the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't we lucky?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'arent most nations doing that now anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, GMO has a blanket ban in the EU except for two specific, independently tested strains'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eat the modified stuff, or people will starve'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no food shortage'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't buy it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is there a food shortage, then? USA habitually has a surplus even after planting crops for fuel. Loads of UK land is set-aside and we're even wasting growing land on solar farms'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no food shortage. Any food shortage is fabricated by greedy commodity traders'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a far bigger problem with transportation, distribution, and warlords taking foods to resell them for guns than there is with lack of food'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, GMO crops do not significantly raise yield'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in many cases reduce yield, not to mention the horrendous damage to the ecosystem and to consumers'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<Shrug> don't buy the product, then'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you allow GMO, you don't get a choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"horrendous damage to the ecosystem and consumers"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me not buying it doesn't stop me or the ecosystem being poisoned by it, or the agricultural sector being screwed over by it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you grow crops that make their own pesticide, it gets into the food chain'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you are over-dramatizing the detrimental effects'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm under-dramatising the effects of a couple of specific GMO strains, not GMO products in general'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want to know more about the horrendous damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you kill off the bugs, you not only reduce the amount of food available to the next level in the food chain, but also you get those same chemicals into that food chain, STUFF DIES'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people growing those Montsanto crops are having to plant refuge crops just to give bugs somewhere to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, we should be feeding the bugs'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you jumped a rail there... "Bugs"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you talking about the pest resistant strains of plants?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm talking about strains of plants that generate their own pesticides'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'honeybees are in serious danger due to gmo'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and they're sort of essential for many plants to pollinate'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of these gmo crops have not been adequately tested for safety'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honey bees are in serious danager because their handelers haul them all over creation and back trying to make a buck'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 30 day health trial on humans conducted by Montsanto themself isn't a sufficient test'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO should be subject to a 20yr health and ecosystem study'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wild honeybees are suffering as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before being allowed into the food chain'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'meanwhile, we'll use good old fashioned DDT?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, don't you have the option to buy meat, vegetables or other products that are produced without everything from pesticides to antibiotics?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'atrazine, then?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, ElFeneri, not without labelling'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'organic (in the us) cannot include gmo, but almost all unlabelled does.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'corn, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, in Sweden you can.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's GMO plants or pesticides... there's no getting around that - unless you buy ceritified, or grow your own'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ecosystem damage does not recognise political borders, ElFeneri'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's balls, Vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the point was, as Vonliege said, don't buy it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are pesticides that aren't poisonous, and there are alternative to those too'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I, for one, have a hard time growing tomatoes without Sevin® dust'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cut worms and beetles get them otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'our chickens love cutworms'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said,my choice not to buy GMO (even if i could, if it were labelled, which it ISN'T so it's a null argument to start with) doesn't prevent the ecosystem being fucked up by those who DO produce GMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well argue "well,  you don't have to let off nukes, just let other people do it"'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If ppl decide it's bad and don't buy it, to whom will they sell it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still not seeing it... the bugs will just go eat something else'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't control what other people do, Elf, and the government are pushing it through'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bugs will be DEAD, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but they're not, they're eating the food that they're used to and dying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what are the death rates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'per 100,000'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it's not just killing the bad bugs, but the good bugs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'everything starts with YOU doing something, then you convince your wife, children, parents, colleagues, friends to do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls his eyes in disgust at a hypnotized elf.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or you can just talk about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'about 1/3 of the honeybee colonies in the us died last year'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bee population has been hit around 70% here'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the honey bees die because of handler abuse... they drag them 1000s of miles every year'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's utter bullshit, vonliege, sorry, our bees don't move, so how do you explain that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, bee colonies were just dropping dead'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You have already been instructed that that's incorrect, but keep repeating bullshit that you know to be untrue, it makes you sound real smart.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but there are sustainable ways of growing and producing things. Usually they cost more because they have a lower yield then the ones producing with the help of pesticides etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some of them are trucked around, some of them are not, but they are ALL dying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'than*'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US... the corperate bee companies contract out to bring bees to areas where pollination is needed... then they haul them off to the next spot... and the next - so on and so forth... the bees get stressed out and die'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, you know i'm not a liberal lefty green, people claim i'm far right (which i'm not either), but i work within a science organisation that monitors wildlife health, so i know what i'm talking about'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but those are not the only bees that are dying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if those were the only bees that were dying that would be true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vonliege: honeybees, which live at one place and NEVER leave, dropped dead in DROVES'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually abe, honeybees ARE trucked around for pollination services, but whether they are trucked around or not doesn't seem to matter whether they die or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bees which had lived the exact same way as thousands of colonies before them'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'majic: remove my comma'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'k, makes more sense that way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not "in the industry", so I'm not as well versed as some of you... but I AM well read - as I recall from everything I've read, the honey bees are still a mystery'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're about 5 years out of date, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"honeybees which live at one place and never leave..."'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme go refresh my reading for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/28/study-gm-maize-cancer'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/apr/04/monsanto-protection-act-gm'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. .I just scanned 7 different news sites (mostly 'progressive') including the huffington post, think progress, The guardian (UK), Scientific America, and Bees Free (Saving hives - saving lives).  All of the articles agreed (more or less) that bee populations are down about 32%.  Honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, as it is called, was attributed to: Global Warming, Radiation, Chemicals (specifically neonicotinoids), and agressive relocation practices (hauling them around for $$).  No where in any of the articles did it mention GMO, and nowhere did any of these sources site a single cause as THE culprit.  It's still a mystery.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roundup, the chemical that gmo maize is resistant to, that it generates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bah, you're spoiling a good conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big link between them, and it's called Montsanto'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is SO STINKING MUCH money and initiative behind 'watchdaog' organization that would LOVE to bring down Monsanto - if this is such a smoking gun, why does Monsanto still exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said this right at the start, the issue isn't GMO, it's corporations with no moral, ethical, or humanitarian interest, looking to dominate a market, create a monopoly, and have absolutely no interest in how much damage they do'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Montsanto have people within the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they spend a huge amount of money on lobbying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but GMO causes horrendous damage to the ecosystem and to consumers'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also Monsanto bought out a company that does genetic research and engineering on bees. Hmmmm, maybe they WANT to kill bees and then sell people their own GMO resistant bees?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'untest, unchecked, and conducted for purely financial gain? yes, it does'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ever hear of thalidomide? agent orange? asbestos? cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not taling about the EPA - thats a GOV organization, and near worthless... I'm talking Green Peace - Amnysty international, UNICEF, etc... they'd ALL love to sink their teeth into Monsanto, and have no conflict of interest.. if Monsanto is such a big evil machine - how has it survived?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if it's untested and unchecked, how do you know that it causes horrendous damage?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooooh... good one'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf? UNICEF? they have no interest in MOntsanto, Green Peace were co-opted by corporations decades ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yeah, asbestos was a really good construnction material in the 50s :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous statement, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'construction*'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something has the capacity to screw up your ecosystem, you should test it first'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ask Marie Curie how doing shit without considering health consequences goes'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'she had no reson to believe that she was dealing with something that lethal'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask all the gulf war veterans who died/got serious injured by those cunts that lied about the chemical weapons that they got covered with the fallout of when they blew up Saddam's chemical weapon store. Ask the first responders who went to 9/11 aftermath who got told they didn't need masks, then dropped like flies due to the toxic dust'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, ElFeneri, and it killed her'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the biggest hinderence to any sort of public awareness, TG, is that for YEARS, the media has been telling us every couple weeks that XXX causes CANCER - OMG.....and the population in general is numb'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it did, but in her case there was little reason to worry about it since no one knew what the stuff was'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it does, VL, you seen the meteoric rise in cancer rates, digestive disorders and autism spectrum disorders?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or the effect it has on living organism'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then lets test the stuff, ffs, why would you be against that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what stuff Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Everything GMO isn't bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said it was, ElF, the John Innes institute does stirling work near where i live trying to make crops that will grow in arid soil'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're a charity and do it for altruistic aims'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, but I think that it should have to be tested by people who aren't the corporation and for a longer period than 90 days.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they test it properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'infact, all crops we have today is a result of thousands of years of GMO by our ancestors. Or domesticated animals for that matter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cross breeding is limited by biological compatibility, ensures only similar species crossbreed. GMO technology has no such restriction'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it was amazingly hard for our ancestors to insert pig genes into tomatoes, they just couldn't find tweezers small enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't something you can afford to get wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'talk about 'messing with the gene pool'... how about the millions of unproductive mouths that get fed despite their ability to produce anything of worth?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a whole different argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yet, with climate changes and pests spreading you'd probably not be able to grow anything that wasn't modified to be naturally resistant to drought or certain insects for instance'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'different, to be sure - but related'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming wouldn't cause crops not to grow'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure it would'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some areas will increase in rainfall and others will decrease, so there will definitely be a shifting which will cause crops traditionally grown in an area not to work'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but some currently arid areas are projected to increase in moisture as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'upheaval in weather patterns attributed to 'global warming' cause drought and flood'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere will increase crop yields where environments are suitable'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's balls, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is 'balls' a british way of saying 'wrong'?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"comically wrong"'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'global warming is NOT a nice, predictable and even rise of the planets tempurature... it's weather chaos'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the predictions were true (which they're not) then some places would get more severe weather, other places more benign'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's self balancing'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so when nebraska, kansas and oklahoma (the grain belt) suddenly get LESS rain... that's not going to impact food production?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said they'll get less rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I'll make it even easier for you, how is paying money going to make the planet "feel" better. '
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why wouldn't it be balanced by a different dry area getting more rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who knows?  it can't exactly be predicted, can it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps at Acidangel's performance.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all the farmers and rich top soil are just going to move to the place that is getting more rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't something that happens over night, it takes decades'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because dirt has a habit for getting up and moving itself all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I say it's never too late to get the GMO thing down so were ready for anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IF it happens (and evidence is that the current predictions are deeply flawed) then farmers may have to change crop types and techniques'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly, but we should have testing done by people not affiliated with the company'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like GMO?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You don't trust Monsanto?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there will be GMO varieties that will be able to grow ANYWHERE with in 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'heathen'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'gmo already exist in the food chain. your a little behind..'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the hopping back and forth between the FDA and positions at monsanto causes me to say 'throw ALL the bastards out''
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Monsanto (and companies like them) will be cheered'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '..or because of deforestation for example which changes climate locally. With "gene modification" it's still possible to grow drought resistant maize in the same area where the original maize failed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you might even be able to grow wheat on the old Chernoble site'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the possibilites with GMO are endless.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'amazing wheat, each stalk will have 2-3 heads'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you talk as if it currently doesn't happen?  its everywhere...'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but still one must be careful what is done. My point is anyway that all GMO is not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the wheat also grows a pound of bacon on the stalk!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am agreeing with you -- but I don't trust companies that need to legislate protection for themselves and where the incestuous relationship with the FDA has been continuing recently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to go see if I still have a family... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this back-patting between governments and corporations caused the global financial crisis'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the source of greed and corruption that has led to record low trust in governance'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'M.A.E.D. i believe is working your looking for.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr what'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Owning a bong or pipe in Florida has been made a felony. That's one seriously fucked up state government'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'peak oil!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pique oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'peek oil!'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he and another fellow (not sure where the other fellow picked up his morse code skills) would sit in class and have conversations in morse...  a very light thump thump thap thump thump thap'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Immigrant bill would give legal status to people displaced by global warming. WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and a Rolling Stones reporter who was researching a story on the Petraeus takedown, who had received death threats from people, believed to be secret service/intelligence operatives, dies in a 'high speed car wreck', where unlike every other car wreck involving that type/model of car, the engine ended up 100m away from the rest of it. Clearly didn't 'explode''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, you have to earn £18,600 before you can bring home a foreign spouse.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the US, you have to pay $50k to bring over your illegal chinese son }:>'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to pay more than THAT to the chinese to buy the child in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the GCHQ and MI6 set up 'internet cafes' for the express purpose of probing delegates' computers, black berrys and smartphone during G20 summits in london.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Von, sounds like something Tiger would inform us about. :-P'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just wanted everyone to be in the know ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annnnd there we go, RT reporting british intelligence has been tapping phone and internet lines, recording it all, and supplying it to the yanks. despite it being VERY illegal here'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the UK spies it's happy ASS off... legal or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NSA and CIA are chumps compared to the GCHQ and MI6'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US doesn't even HAVE a seperate 'eletronic spying' agency'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's lumped into the CIA and NSA'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and to a lesser extent - the FBI'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... what do any of US know about what's REALLY going on... I'd like to think that there are people out there doing what they do that none of us have any idea even exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon the mass demonstrations in Brazil?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'death'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you asked why they are flipping out in brazil, that is why'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, probably taxes in relation to wages/cost of living'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'mhm, exactly what the reason is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'apparently people were stupid and thought all the World Cup stuff would be built for free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that has to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'economics + government = most people can't grasp'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, that is exactly what it is about'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opposition to rising bus fares, corruption, evictions, taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yup, and those are going up why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because something is being built.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corruption is going up because of corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'when you have central power you have corruption.. this isn't hard to understand'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're spending tons of money because of the world cup, then it's being mishandled'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'People that can dictate the use of other people's money, tend to spend it inefficently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr inefficiently and ineffectively'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, that's why government needs to be kept small and local'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why central based governments fail'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'or always need a boogy man to blame'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no coincidence that the world finances are going down the pot, people's living standards are deteriorating, and freedoms are being eaten away, all as governments become more centralised, bigger, and are grouping together into larger multinational unions'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Cite your sources.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an observation'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my source is me'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'is there a debate going on?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, what do you want to talk about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'would like a discussion about aardwolf vs achaea, though i bet the majority would debate for aardwolf, as i would.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'which makes it pretty redundant, on second thoughts...'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a horse in that race, though advertising other muds might be construed as against the rules. If not, it'd certainly be considered bad form'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'never felt the need to explore another mud than this one. This is alive and developing alot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'i don't see it as advertising, as i would like to see people's opinions of another mud'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would tend to stick to matters of importance :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'i see this is a rather mature and serious channel. nevermind then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry :-/'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there has been another shooting in US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's several every day in chicago'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps not every day in Walmart'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are there was one in the UK too'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only debate to have over guns is when you're going to rip up existing regulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'freaking serious? somebody needed a source to confirm government centralization of power.. my god, get your head out of the sand'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find that was a troll, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sometimes trolls just need to remember the phrase "never miss a good opportunity to shut the fuck up".'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd hope that trolls are the first to be stuck through the meat grinder, but you know that they'll be the ones selling you down the river'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the word given to french that sold their neighbours to death at the hands of the germans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vichi... vichee... vicie?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's the one'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what trolls will turn out to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're that sort of person, morally vacuous'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cowardly'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when trying to counter the debate against centralized government... all I can come up with is the 'warlord' state of pre-columbian america'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely western nations would become warlord led, especially if you have a constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, i'm not suggesting anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh... pre-renaissance europe... bunch of little lords always fighting each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, that's a different model :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a constitution based limited democracy is the way to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THEY had local government... though 'government' would have to be applied loosly'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what comes first - food or population?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is that a trick question?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of... only in that it's ment to stimulate a debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the answer is bread.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. we'll go with that... so bread comes first.. then population follows.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if we were to reform that statement a wee bit...  we could say that population is dependent on bread... no bread, no population'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so let me light the rocket.... why the HELL are we working towards bigger and better means of feedining people?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or doesn't anyone take exception to that concept?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'because population growth doesn't have to be a problem. It can make for a more productive society.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has to be a limit, though.... how about a quality over quantity?  don't you thiink there are enough people with nothing to do already?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'another two to ten billion people is NOT going to make a more productive society'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is just because of our current systems. We could sustain 100 billion if more countries were an industrious society.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Is what you are suggesting is that we starve or possibly exterminate people to "control population"? I'm just asking I don't know or even think that is your stance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... nothing so draconian as targets, focused or forced starvation, or extermination of ANY kind...  but in a subtle fashion, perhaps no less beastly - I think if there were only as much food as is available today, the population would stall out at it's current level.  People WOULD starve, but they aready are in some places anyway.  The population would find a balance pretty quick, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not a naturalist, or a tree hugger, or a 'back to nature' freak, but look at virtually every species in the wild - if there's plentiful food, they breed.  If there's little food, birthrates drop.  Of course, there's always starvation in the wild as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but a species will almost ALWAYS breed just a little bit PAST what the resources will allow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So, who do we need to stop feeding then Von? Africa or America?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Feed the productive. Eat the nonproductive. Soylent Green.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am betting Arnica is not from Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am betting I know where my food comes from every step of the way :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you grow your food, bully for you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or know the people who do. Is that wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that doesn't work. If you don't grow your own food you don't know where you food comes from. You operate under some theory.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You are daft and a loner. I know human beings who grow food. I buy food from them. I know where the food comes from. Most people buy food from corporations and have no idea where it comes from, what is in it, or even what kind of organism produced it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you can guarantee that, for instance, those humans don't urinate on the food they sell you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'its grown in cow shit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Human urine is 100% nontoxic and as close to sterile as you can get'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'still better then gmos'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I'd rather they didn't poop on it ..'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's not the point, the point is that you can't testify whether they do it or not. You operate under the assumption that they don't. You don't know. You assume.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'My point is I am happy with what I eat and where I get it, and you are not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back to the original question about "who to feed"... let everyone eat what ever they are eating now... no need for anyone to "decide"'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'There you go again making assumptions. Unless, you can quote me as saying that I was unhappy with my food source.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing about the choice is that you don't volunteer to quit eating, you want someone else to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get most ofmy food from the supermarket - I buy basic ingredients (flour, meat, sugar, vegetables, eggs, etc...) I then prepare the food at my home.  I also grow a small amount of food, but not nearly enough to sustain may family.  I DO, however, have the capacity to grow about 5000% more food than I currently do.  I also have the capacity (resources and knowlege) to raise livestock of just about any kind.  Personally, I am quite content with potatoes grown 6 states away by people I don't know, and picked by mexicans that are probobly illegals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't keep race out of your statement, can you? :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because it is obvious that food picked by illegal Mexicans must be different that food picked  by white residents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he never made that assertion'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he implied it by mentioning the race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... mexicans are good at LOTS of stuff... not least impressive of which is the ability to work the fields all day... not many people can hack that'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no he didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you just think through the prism of race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the race of the picker is irrelevant, the fact that he mentioned means that he has a problem with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you have a problem with truth then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race or not, his statement was correct.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I don't. I don't care if the pickers are White Russians, rednecks, or Mexicans. It would never occur to me to bring the subject of race up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but then again, I am not a US native. So I am not race conscious :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'apparently you are, i am native and race was not the first thing i thought about.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT's a load of crap.... American is the most color blind nation in the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why did you mention it? How does it apply to the subject?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you mentioned it, not i.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, Vonliege? You must have been a comma for the last 200 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is it that a fellow can get SOO freaking bent about the mention of Mexican field workers?  who REALLY has the issue here?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mentioned it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'how would a non-native know the consciousness of another nation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Was I who said this?Personally, I am quite content with potatoes grown 6 states away by people I don't know, and picked by mexicans that are probobly illegals.''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've lived abroad for over 50% of my middle aged life... I've seen plenty'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say that the rest of the world is free of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think most of the world is full of racism'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medterainian europeans are the most clickish, unwelcoming of them all, followed by scandinavians, then eastern eupropeans...  south-west asians and asians are a near tie.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have you bee all over the world?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't ask you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except antartica'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you must have a reading comprehension issue or are a race nazi.  The topic being discussed was food and where it came from, the context of his statement went along with that, he just so happen to point out another truth which was not the main point of his statement.  You jumped on the race bait issue, no him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I've been around and faced all sorts of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I know that the topic was food. I want to know what the race of the picker has to do with the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'like i said, a race baiter'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a master race baiter?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you aware there there are some jobs real Americans don't wanna do?  Many of those are done by hispanics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, just tell me what the race of the picker has to do with the subject of food.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is actually VERY LITTLE racism in developed societies... what there is is more akin to Bigotry... not racism.  "RACIST" is a grossly mis-used word... Hitler was a racist.  he thought his arian people should rule the world.  Not 'likeing' another race, and discriminating against them is not racism... it's bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'It says you do not understand context of conversations and "trigger" words divert you off track.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that wasn't the topic, Hanslanda. We were talking about knowing where the food one ate came from. He thought that the race of the food picker mattered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you still haven't told me why you mentioned the race of the picker. What was the need?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, when one race (possibly two, but I understand it's hard out there for a pimp) willfully removes themselves from the pool of workers available for Job X it kinda does matter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'people are finally waking up to the NBA being fixed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's focus on potatoes... why did I chose to single out potatoes in my example?  do I have a particular penchant for potatoes?  what about lettus?  or carrots?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the race of the picker matters when the subject is whether you know how your food is grown or not.  Why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'carrots are picked by upper class native americans I bet'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'This is like talking to an iron ball.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know who picks carrots. My question is why do I have to be informed of the race of the picker.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the race of the picker doesn't matter one flick.. and the fact that you are so freaking tunnel-visioned in on it makes me think you have some SERIOUS race issues.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, if it doesn't matter one flick, why mention it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he can't get over the race thing, trigger word flipped him mentally.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is EVERYONE so race-fixated where you come from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no it does not matter who picks them, but I guess the fact is that they are picked by non native americans. And I also guess there is a big chance that those would be the ones keeping a low profile and accepting to work under almost any cirumstances because they are there illegally. Hence, cheap labour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you brought the race up out of context. It had nothing to do with the topic of  conversation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it almost seems debilitating.  you can't even mention a particular race in passing without a grand jury to get to the bottom if it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why mention a race at all?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do you care?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why arent you mad that I singled out potatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because when he mentioned it out of context, so I want to know why.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'why is he mad you speak truth?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not the one getting angry :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but your mad he is bringing attention to it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hitler did that too ya know.. how did that work out for the jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hehe, can't keep from bringing races up :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you sir Anaristos - are a RACE BAITER.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'I sure hope my NBA comment didn't bring up Race'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what do you have against the jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they rule the world now.  Lesson to be learned: do your best to piss someone off enough that they go postal on you.  Sure, it might suck to take that sort of flak but afterwards you'll end up in a much better position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why single THEM out?  Hitler killed alot of OTHER kinds of people too, you know'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anytime someone makes a seemingly racist remark I am going to take them to task. I still want to know why did he bring the race of the pickers out of context. The information was not  relevant to the topic of conversation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'yeah jews get all the pity. It's not fair'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about it, Anaristos... why single out jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it wasn't out of context, it just furthered his point.  you simply read it out of context'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do jews possible have to do with picking potatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, why did you single out jews? I can't read your mind, so I can't answer the question.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there could be health issues involved, Anaristos.  If you eat mad cows, you would definitely want to know where the bad beef came from, yes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we used to have a sanity check of discussions some time ago. Unless we were debating WW2 or something similar, whenever someone mentioned Hitler it was an indication that the discussion had derailed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... I withdraw the original hitler comment'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then mention the health issue, at leasst, right or wrong, that brings mentioning the race within the context of the conversation. The mention in that statement was not connected to anything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and will restate that I have no problem eating potatoes grown six states away and picked by... people'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'knowing where bad beef comes from is different than caring what race the dairy farmer is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I understood that part.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some things just don't need to be mentioned explicitly.  That's why we invented the word "implicit".'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the race of the picker was irrelevant to the conversation and looked like a free shot to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some things are not to be talked about it seems. It's very sensitive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you want to talk about mexicans picking food in California. Fine, the we can discuss that. But that wasn't the topic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos... we've moved on... keep up or move out'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it became the discussion though'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race baiters are good at derailing'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can talk about anything, really, until the imms say otherwise.  Just because you don't want to or because you get offended by it doesn't mean it's taboo.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't seen anyone move on, including you vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'media shows that daily'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, was that aimed at me?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's difficult to follow when so many join the debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure.  Nobody else is really saying not to talk about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, I wasn't saying we shouldn't talk about it. I only made a reflection that it seems it's a hot potatoe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh boy, there we go with the potatoes again!'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we as a group tend not to take running leaps into lalaland, so I doubt we'd get kicked in the face with the jackboots (as opposed to gentle nudging)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm afraid I don't understand what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said (I think) if the IMMs wanted to close the convo, they'd prolly do it without bitchslapping'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has that ever happened?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wow... other channels, too?  (like imm)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only on a case-by-case basis involving peeved drama queens trying to get around Lasher bans.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure...as they say, "we can do things the easy way, or we can do things the hard way"...'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can see an IMM busting in on a cuss-fest on gossip or Q/A... but I've seen pretty wild stuff on IMM chan'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll have to make an effort NOT to make getting a (Debate) conversation halted'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd say it's about a weekly occurrence that a convo is suggested to either move off a channel or stop altogether'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heha... it's usually in the contect of "Take it to (Debate)!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'context, that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think this discussion still was above the belt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's evident by the lack of imm response.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's all too rare though that more than two or three are angaged in the same debate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'engaged*'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Hanslanda, I hope you understand that I wasn't suggesting we don't talk about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, but you're right about them being engaged for the same reasons.  In case you hadn't noticed, most of us aren't taking debate channel all that seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Ok, I'll explain again then. I just noticed that when someone brought race into the debate, it became a sensitive subject. For some.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'My skill in english is only practiced to 55% or I would have phrased myself more clearly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd have to say that 'race' is debatable... most debates ARE sensitive, if they're worth debating at all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... adhering to the rule about 'personal attacks''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the best debates are the sensitive ones IMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's not much of a debate where everyone agrees with each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or isn't at all passionate about the topic'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri nods.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we call those lectures'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'unfortunately we don't have a lecture channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but I guess you can argue that that would be the Q/A.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after double is the best time to auction'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i hate my country's educational decrees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'what r they like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the country's prime minister reserves the right to change chinese and tamil primaries to malay primaries.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is in the lawbooks'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o oppression'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'secondary schools are denied government support unless they use malay text'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or maybe it was malay books'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'universities have fixed quotas stating how many bumiputras they must accept. percentage runs somewhere round 30-40%'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'you'ld think in these times it would get better about support diversity, but maybe worse'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in my country it is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'whats a bumiputras?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not sure bout others'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'whats a bumiputra?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bumiputras are guys who are 'special' and receive benefits. like less tax'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are supposed to be the original guys living here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but over here the natives on the peninsular are denied that privelage'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my UEC grades are not accepted within the country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'descrimination everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which causes an outflow of good people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as government approved grades are slowly lacking in quality'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah lowering standards'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we have pulled in many immigrants who, unable to find jobs, are not let to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry, forced to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'same here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'meaning i cannot walk the streets without looking over my shoulder all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the police do nothing to help, they actually openly accept bribes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not official but we all know only a few don't'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'least its not that bad hre'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'many schemes have been made to shut private universities down'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'but it's getting owrse for immigrants and everyone...and ppl fighting each other instead of the causes of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'worse*'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the only place we can study our mother tougue is in private universities '
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well, study effectively anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the good people are sent out of the country, and they hardly ever come back'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless as teachers to teach in private universities.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'somewhat like native americans here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which is like one of the few places they can work'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as government grades come first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my grades mean i have to work harder than most people, just to leave the country'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'where r they able to go to be more accepted and survive?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'anywhere else in the world smart people can go and gt higher pay than the meager salaries they receive'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my teachers teach because they want to help the new generation'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and they want us to help change this country for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'yes, thts good. There are so many ppl like that fortunately'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'do u have a chance to?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'malaysia is on the top list of corrupt countries. and embezzlement'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think so'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o I think I read that'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i had a teacher tell my class that once a friends house was robbed'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the police asked: "do you really need to give in a report?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my parents themselves were asked for a bribe within the police station.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'up till now, only one place is known not to take bribes'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my parents know cause they went, the supervisor sat right at the counter. staring at the clerk. without airconditioning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'our temp is around 29-35 degrees celsius. and it is humid'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you too'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cause it is unusable for higher lvls'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'primary class skills SHOULD give an advantage comparative to secondary classes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'never mind. no one here anyway.......'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you already have an advantage because the stats that drive kobold stench are not the same, and are not suitable, for other pclasses.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gah'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stop thinking of it as a skill rather than a primary class skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the way your thinking, you are grouping kobold with poison skills. but what i mean is this: as a primary thief skill. it honestly sucks. it should be replaced(in the ptimary thieves skill) by something that gives an edge over secondary class thieves. geddit '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compare Kobold Stench (thief)  to  ballistic attack (psi)  and maybe kobold stench is overpowered'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'some primary class skills suck. and should be replaced with other skills from the same class that give an edge over opposition (secondary class)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ballistics is not a primary skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ballistics is not a primary class skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some level 1 attack skills and spells are irrelevant compared to level 200 attack skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kobold stench is a lv 1 skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its gonna suck'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'It has to suck.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so it should NOT be a primary class skill!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'for god's sakes, do you not get where i am going at at all?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'if all pclass skills have to be useful for your whole mort then necromancer needs a complete rework...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then it should'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'It's a level 1 skill. There are 199 (200?) more levels to discover.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wait a second'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'necro is a subclass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am talking about primary class skills(skills exclusive to that class)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not just go back to the old days and have no pclasses :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Psi are disappointed that low level Psi are roadkill compared to other classes -- and Psi may suggest that thief are not supposed to get any level 1 primary-class skills unless as weak as (say) ballistic attack'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am saying that some primary class skills(in this instanc'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'e kobold) are useless as primary class skills.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no its not'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they should either be changed to normal skills or removed altogether'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'name an occurance where it is better to use kobold rather than other skills at lvl 30++'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at level 1, a non-Pthief does not get kobold stench at all -- perhaps the debate is whether kobold stench is at least as strong as (say) ballistic attack - if yes, don't complain as a pThief  (the Ppsi may complain though)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i just said that there are some primary class skills that should not be primary class skills.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you wanna posion your opponent'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'these skills should be changed'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i can use burnt marbu, black root or other skills that have more effect than kobold'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at level 33, most do not use level 1 attack skills unless desperate to find and attack against a mostly immune mob (when coinidentally ballistic attack is often useful)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'runto kingsholm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'If you wanted to remove kobold because there are better skills at level 30++, what skill would you use at level 1?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'none.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then dont bother practicing it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the point is, unless you attack higher by 5~10 lvl mob you won't need it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because it is useless'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "primary-only attack skill" does not require to be stronger than secondary attack skills, as an alternative to stronger, merely requires to be more useful in some situations than secondary attack skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i don't use it, it defeats the purpose of a primary class skill(which should give said class an advantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the poisons do stack right'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain death blow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but as a SC pThief, with no other secondary remort classes, Jopari is not able to compare Kobold stench to (say) ballistic attack'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does give you an advantage of reducing a persons str'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which you don't really need cause at that lvl there are few mobs with high str'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how about pvp?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari may as defer this pThief debate until remorting into (say) a Psi'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its not all about mobs'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how useful is that compared to death blow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'deathbow is what 180'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'does anyone join pvp at lvl 1?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless supernewb'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo peers intently at Daeric.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes i like lowbie wars'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or compare to burnt marbu'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'joined them ever since t0'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, T9R7 level 1 characters seeking to do unspeakable things to level 1 SC T0 newbies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you're clutching at straws'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but thats a lv 15 skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'compare please.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fact is kobold stench poisons'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so why not have burnt marbu as pthief skill.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fact is nearly all skills are better than it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that you get later'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'theere are T0 SC level 1 Snewbie characters wearing *uber*equipment that may enjoy doing unspeakable things to level 1 SC T0 newbies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'excluding supernewbs!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods same'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods sake'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'excluding lvl 1-10 with aard eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'marbu might have something to do with the wish ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like omg'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fuck.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what the hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats wrong with supernewbs'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inexperienced shoddy non-snewbie newbies are supposed to level, not pk hoping to win'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Or sit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of players qsit a level 1 To SC character for at least 14k qp to get a decent level 1 aard-equipment start -- some at To SC level 1 qsit for over 100k qp for some inexplicable reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll just put it in ideas forum. where it will be useless since no one understands wtf i am talking about'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you understand that no other class has a maldiction spell at lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or maybe i won't since no one understands at all '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they disagree with what you are suggesting, since the Aard seems to prefer to discourage excessive level 1 qsitting '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not encouraging it. for god's sake'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it was just a design decision'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and some skills are starting to get a bit stronger as one lvs anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how the hell am i encouraging level 1 qsitting'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not sure if that one was on list or eventually will be'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw your a pthief so why would you even care if non pclass can use it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you know what? i give up. stubborn as hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just get to t9 and then you can stilc with like lv maybe 80 + skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if level 1 pThief get an uber primary--attack skill at level 1, the result may be a lot of smug self-satisfied pThieves lurking in lowbie pk -- and other classes (and gutted newbies) are not going to be as happy'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wth. primary class skills should give one an advantage over secondary classes damkit'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can stick with*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when the hell did i say it would have to be unlocked at lvl 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no other lv 1 skill has a malediction'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and another bad result is that most new characters are likely to be pThief to the exclusion of other classes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'is that your preconception?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that i am a selfish bastard determined to make other classes lives a misery?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'therefore it might make sense for lv one lets sat paladin to use kobold spray'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that a primary class skill should be more powerful.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the best first class as a newbie is pMage -- to provide the option that at T0R7 SH to max stats and enchant equipment -- there are not enough inexpensive enchanters'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not that it should be easily accesible'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i said that kobold stench was an example'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the only reason that kobold is pclass only is because that's the way it happened to be set and no one will care enough about it to change it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most primary-atack skills spells are stronger -- but not at level 1 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not the only one'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea a design decision redryn :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i give up'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'not sure what point you're trying to make...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yes lv 1 malediction how many times do i have to say it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aard does not want every new newbie sitting at level 1 T0 SC for several years'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'for god's sake i did not say it needed to be accessible at lvl 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what move it up to a lv 7 skill and move kick from lv 7 to lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'damn man. you work under the preconception that one of my ideas is that there should be a primary skill there '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what does more damage for you now kick od kobold spray'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and kick isn't even one'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is your idea to make it non-pclass?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not the selfish bastard you keep trying to see me as. and suceeding very well at'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if pThief get an uber primary pThief-only attack skill, then other pClasses are going to want something similar (as a balance) -- and that currently is not where the work on subclasses is going -- more likely the subclass work is going to skills and spells that are at least level 91 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm you were saying many things...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that you misconstrued'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Jopari at level 53+, you are not even level 1 anymore -- so the debate is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that some primary class skills seriously suck if you ask other classes. true or false. answer that. i'll go bit by bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that a primary class skill should be more powerful.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'moving it from lv 1 -7 could do just that of course adjusting max damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but not as accessible'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '[23 Jun 03:47:49] (Debate) Redryn: 'the only reason that kobold is pclass only is because that's the way it happened to be set and no one will care enough about it to change it''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'irrelevant?! do i have to remort and then say this'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you have to tier ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in lowbie pk,  pPsi are roadkill compared to pWarriors -- so i avoid pk as a lowbie pPsi (and i am not complaining)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and have a non pclass thief'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i have to create a new char for you to take it as 'relevant'!????'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not arguing simply for pthief'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i still don't get what you're kicking up such a big fuss about'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'would you be happier if kobold stench was removed from the game?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i give a fuck? yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get to level 91 at least, and debate on level 91+ skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think that primary class skills for each class should allow an advantage over other classes by that class'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i have to create a new char for you to take it as 'relevant'!????'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'irrelevant?! do i have to remort and then say this'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'POISON!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'advantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok cool'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari glares at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'now read the last paragraph of help subclass'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan giggles at Redryn's actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'did i say subclass spells and skills. or primary skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, remort - but you may prefer to do a lot of other things within the safety of T0 SC protection (like not being permitted to blunder into high-level-locked areas while exploring)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'subclass and primary class kind of go together dude'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you sure'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a huge difference between SC and R7 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'last i checked it was a SUB-CATEGORY'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an R7 character is far safer than a SC character'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea im sure they go together'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sub-category'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you can have primary classes without subclasses.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as one day lasher could wake up and say hey lets make kobold stench venomist only'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but not vice-versa'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when have i said kobold was the only thing i was focusing on'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you said as an example and i was giving and example of why subclass and primary class are related'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are not. it simply provides variety'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'primary-only skills/spells deal with exclusivity, and do not require to be stronger at level 1, merely sufficient at level 1 - enough to reach higher level skills spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'much work has been going into mage cleric and psi classes anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thiefs allready get a decent advantage in pvp ... with backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i am unclear, let me clarify and shut up for a minute while i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the fact that they can just heal instead of casting spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'pls consent to that at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or continue and i will just shut off debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in each primary class there are skills that are weak, true?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'primary class skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so i think that primary class skills and spells should provide an advantage from each primary class over others. causing a balance. with me so far?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or is there no one on here anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'combat and fight me'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no my dear 'friend''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you need to pick on me for your self esteem?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a SC pThief Jopari, (unable to compare to other secondary skills spells), seems to be saying that the Kobold Stench pThief-only skill at level 1 is supposed to be far stronger than higher-level skills-spells available to other classes (because "availability to other classes" demotes the skill-spell to "secondary status") '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well ya do have 26 lvs on me jop'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'aard eq takes care of that elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher-level skills-spells (even when secondary) are likely to be stronger than lower-level primary skills-spells '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i understand but sometimes its not the skills that make things unballanced'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '26 levels is a big advantage-disadvantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bs if you can land it is super powerful'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i faced omg twice. i know the abilities of aard eq intimately'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'while mage attack spells are more powerful than thief attack skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg is not just aard eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he has maxed hp'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bs is often described on the debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bs???'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'type bs and press enter'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"enhanced damage" as a pWarrior or pThief confers a big advantage over a pMage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'didn't know bout that abbrieve'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think its more the fact that warr and thief have high dex and str normally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some uber snewbies walk around with 300dr at level 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am a shadow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so once a mage has to start healing they are pretty much toast'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'str does not come naturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'dr?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hitroll damroll'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hr/dr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thank you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was very close to 250/300'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but it gets very expensive to do that'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all the more reason to stay away from you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'right now im ar 312/397'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all the more reason to stay away from you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and im weak compared to some in that regards'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a T0SC level 1 to reach 300 dr requires lots of favours (almost bordering on multiplaying) '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yea thief main skill is you ask me is the backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ehhh nothing like multiplaying'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those doing the favours are doing these favours based on knowing the alt of the ToSC level 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oyu just need ot have all the aard gear bunch of well enhanted closed clan gear'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats the "cheap" part'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you gotta toggle all your aard gear '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and enchant it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and pray you get +6 hr or dr lands'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh and max tpenchant weapons to +11 then toggle enchant'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a complete stranger newbie (with ?no? alts) becoming a 300 dr T0Sc level 1 Snewbie, with ?no? favours by friends of those (?nonexistent?) alts -- a very unlikely story'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a hell of alot of work'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'altho i would not do a lv 1 aard weapon ... maybe dual lv 6 abd lowered to lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or like i did and sit at lv 11'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes hell of a lot of work and time for eventually never using the gear again and mostlikely selling at a loss'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when that Snewbie does a few Tiers, all that Snewbie work gone'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan noddles in total agreement at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'getting to t9 is alot of effort too'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you had a good point a while back about pmage being a good starter class btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wonder if they doing dominion'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '*chuckle*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA specifically retains all encrypted content from EVERYONE, after all, it's encrypted, therefore you must be a terrorist, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'naturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything i do online is using HTTPS when it is available, so I guess I am filling up large volumes of NSA hard drives!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some encrypt all the lurid porn they write -- is there an advantage to use the internet to back that up, if NSA is also backing up all encrypted transmissions'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The most scary thing is that the US public is ok with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are a lot more things to be anxious about than the NSA backing up encypted transmissions that are soon obsolete'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But I mean the whole prism thingie.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"prism" is a new buzzword - is there a film out yet about "The Prism"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just find it amazing that privacy is not important to the US public.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Privacy is important -- if the NSA is backing up everything encrypted, the sheer volume of encrypted data brings privacy, except in those circumstances where the NSA decides to look at a few individuals'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They don't need to worry about encryption if they have access to the end host, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'write lurid porn, encrypt and send, if NSA decrypts and reads, the NSA personel become corrupted and depraved '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone claiming the NSA is storing encrypted internet traffic in any amount is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just not feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They might store very select flows, but not "everything".'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they store traffic from citizen-citizen and citizen-sites-of-interest'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all calls/emails'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right that they don't store netflix'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they do have access to 'everything''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, because the US (and UK) public gives them the thumbs up to do that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the US and UK public had no knowledge, that's why they're called whistleblowers, revelations'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, those of us that are tinfoil hat wearers had very strong suspicions'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, it seems the opinion of the grey mass is that it is good. Of course, they have been brainwashed to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people need to start wearing tinfoil hats'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so am I alone in thinking they should not be recording/storing any private information, or co-ercing or forcing corporations to hand over information without a warrant from a proper transparent court (not a fake FISA court) detailing the just cause for doing so, and details what they're looking for?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could even have a panel of judges providing those warrants with revolving membership with oversight to ensure they're not signing off on them willnilly'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a big danger with nontransparent-unlimited-snooping is that the humans doing the snooping may also be(come) corrupt-thieving-criminals (in intent and action)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would be great, but barring that, I hope they collect every single phone call and text about keeping up with the Kardashians etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they collect that too, but they're only interested in people opposed to their political ideology'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course they should have a court order to snoop on anyones private information. Otherwise we live in a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden it's even worse, our government snoops on our traffic, and it's legal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what they're trying to pass a law in the UK for, but as you've seen, they've been doing it warrantless on a massive scale in both the UK/US regardless of the law'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Sweden, for all it's lovey-dovey socialist utopic idealism, is a police state'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you start seeing the cracks when all the immigrants start rioting'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, unfortunately you are right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see it in Brazil, Turkey, on a smaller scale in France'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about right/left, it's about authoritarianism and corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, you'd be hard pressed to find a western country that isn't a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe norway. :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't allow that to be a justification for it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama to unveil his fake climate change for the purposes of taxing people and setting up corporate monopolies on tuesday'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're chuckling because.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Do you really believe that climage change is fake?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'climate*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''climate change' is very real and has been happening for around 4.7bn years'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Good.  Looks like we have nothing to debate. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i believe man-made co2 is the driver of climate change? No, and no physicist worth his salt would either'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i therefore believe greenhouse gas pollution isn't an issue? no, it's an issue, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat to the world pop-ulation, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor enthusiastically high-fives Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i'm a little worried about the bees dying off...but perhaps that issue has been blown up bigger than it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the robbing of the public by politician-backed corporations, the enslavement of the people of the world, the impending bond market explosion, world population, chemical pollutants, strategic non-replacable raw materials, all far more important'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to these, Al Gore can sod off'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously a Republican toady'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you say that, Mr Troll?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ed Snowden is en-route to Moscow, btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts flicks his whip across Zade's bare back. 
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced CO2 certainly (?greatly?) adds to the global-warming climate-change'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't certainly anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Oceans are more acidic than before from the man-produced CO2 -- and the Coral Reefs are in danger'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one factor that has the biggest impact on climate is the Sun'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts yawns.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are far worse pollutants than CO2 that are being stuck into the ecosystem'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Sun activity did not acidify the Oceans -- Republican greed (producing lots of CO2) acidified the Oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'all politicians are greedy, it's simple human nature'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'before te Industrial revolution went into planet-rape-mode, the prior billions of years were producing a balanced evolution-regulated ecology'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and then the Republican and (faux?)-Libertarian ecology rapists arrived, fueled by greed and callous disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Oceans get sick, the surface human air-breathers are likely to get sick '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then campaign for cleaner oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't campaign to freeze pensioners to death'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Oceans are a great part of the lungs of the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britiah pensioners are expendable -- the planet ecology is not expendable'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the planet ecology will be fine without corrupt zade supporters trying to kill everyone in it's name'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, the British as Imperialists screwed the world -- maybe payback is happening - so what is some british pensioners freezing when far more payback is yet due'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's pretty racist of you, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't the victims doing the payback'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mother earth is punishing the UK for imperialism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's nice to see that your argument is "the west screwed the world, so it's ok for the same corrupt interests to finish the job"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cleaner oceans likely means far less CO2 production by humans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You do realize that 98% of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is water vapour, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if all Libertarians and all Republicans stopped breathing, there be less CO2 production'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source, cuthbert?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps, zade, we should shut down all our cleanish power production and just import dirty power from third world countries? that'll help your ocean, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cuthbert is a troll -- next Cuthbert be saying that Oxygen is a greenhouse gas'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move all the industrial output to third world coutnries, after all, if it's not happening in OUR country, then that's problem solved, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html Here, enjoy this while I look for the actual stat, Ran.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet you mean 98% by weight, which is a pointless measure.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'water vapour is not a relevant "greenhouse gas" as relates to global-warming'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that website is bullshit, btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it is, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's like saying humans ar 70% water, therefore a few grams of arsenik cannot affect you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'water vapour precipitates as rain '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CO2 is plant food'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CO2 precipitates as acid'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'http://sequestration.org/science/greenhousegases.html Another one through the University of Illinois.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best pass some laws making rain illegal then'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'acid doesn't impact global warming'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's an entirely different environmental concern'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a genuine one (unlike global warming)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, you guys are jumping right to a conclusion I didn't make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'too much acidity and too much heat in the Ocean, damages (and kills) the *important* life in the the oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to have a word with China and India, Zade, since that is your major source of ocean acidification'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the planet is likely to survive global warming -- most of the humans won't -- most of the humans are likely to die when the ecology collapses'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'CO2 is the major cause for ocean acidification'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The planet will survive, and life will survive. Probably not mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am pretty sure we will solve the problem before it kills us. Barely.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you truely cared about doing something about it, you'd support the end of globalisation, you'd support a localism revolution'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd support the end of fascism in it's current guises, the end of consumerism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see globalism as a problem, tbh.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably should, it's the root cause of much of the other problems we see'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that alleged fiction book "The Revelation according to St John" aka "The Apocalypse" prophesies at least one third to two thirds and more of the human population dying -- that may be optimistic though'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I have a different view of the system than you do, but since none of us is a superobserver, we are probably both wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Apocalypse" prophesies killer drones flying through the air, killing humans found in groups - "where there were two, one was left"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without globalism you'd not have the abuse of china for slave labour, and all the pollution that entails, all the loss of local jobs and skills, and all of the pollution'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or just perhaps, you would see your worldview as heading towards a form of heat death of humanity, when our best bet is to continue technological advancement just as fast as possible and get out of the confines of this planet as fast as we can before the exploding civilzation consumes all of the resources necessary to do so for the lst time, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"where there were two, one was taken and one was left"  <-- somebody died'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Without globalism, people would not live outside of africa.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taht won't happen, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the technological advances shall be killing machines to reduce world population'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technological advances are there to further the control/wealth of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not there for the benefit of peasants'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'spoken like a Republican, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'you keep ragging on Republicans as if their "opposites" are actually different'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They are there for the preservation and propagation of those curly molecules in us, and no other reason.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans are far more blatant callous and obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is political blindness'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think that the only solution to the environmental issues are more globalization and more technology, not less. '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gah, well that isn't going to happen, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts likes to tell blatant (Republican) lies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you intend to have China running the whole world'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and somehow manage to get them to agree to not polluting anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care who runs the world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably ought to'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckamkar prophesies the Chinese became the major population of the world '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckankar prophesies the Chinese became the major population of the world '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when will you worry about who runs the world. When family and friends get disappeared? When the lights go off? When food becomes so scarce that you begin to starve? When the water becomes so polluted you can't drink it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's your line?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would China want to turn off my lights?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an Eckankar book by Paul Twitchell (read like scifi in the 1960s)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they wouldn't have enough for the peasants to have it on all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't believe in a world of increasing scarcity.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice, it believes in you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another book prophesies that China started WWIII'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have an entire universe of resources, any limits are just because of lack of imagination.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually there are so many prophecies that one comes true'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and physics. Don't forget physics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still believe that resource limits are because of actual physical limits'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've never heard of false scarcity'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greed and corruption doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the regime in China is callous enough to do what is required to greatly reduce human populations, and the China regime is more likely to reduce non-chinese populations first'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism isn't a solution to pollution, consumerism, greed, and authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe WWIII is orchestrated by the few rich that believe a drastic reduction in human population is required fast '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you achieve with globalism is an increase in the scale of all the variables'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Globalism has existed for 10k years, it's not going away. Find another solution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"freezing pensioners" is a cakewalk compared to "dead almost everybody"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's using a ridiculous definition of globalism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some form of "Skynet" may become a reality'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll consider believing in artificial intelligence the year after intelligence becomes common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because I refuse to put my tin-foil hat on and blame it all on the illuminati doesn't mean you can remove globalism. '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At any rate you can kill a sizeable portion of globalization by destroying tax havens and adding a small tariff for foreign products.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, heaven forbid, you could regulate financial markets properly..'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate I imagine the problem will mostly solve itself with the next generation of robots'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least the "all our factories are in China" part..'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We just need to find an abundant source of cheap energy, and pretty much all of the worlds problems could be solved. Including pollution, world hunger and freezing pensioners.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'N.B. could, not will'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"abundant cheap energy" yet translates to "more heat" and adds to global-warming and "Ocean warming" which translates to "planet death" --> killer drones killing lots of humans to avoid "ocean warming"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A problem that can also be solved with energy and tech'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the European politicians want to disarm the public so that the public is unable to shoot down the killer drones'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I was wondering when the crazy was going to make an appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think you need to go get a new tin foil hat, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look in the mirror (for crazies), you Republicans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I guess the heroin must have finally kicked in :/'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think most republicans would probably call me a commie, if anything. Or they would just shoot me right away when I told them I'm an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"energy and tech" won't solve the horrendous logistics difficulties of too-many-humans --  unless "energy and tech" is:  killer drones to kill excess numbers of humans (aka most humans, except for the select few)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Tet will take care of our population problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no republicans, there are only those complicit with the corrupt fascist state and those who are against it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the ACS has a warchest of $3.3 billion as of 2010, investments in real estate, stocks, bonds, oil leases, and precious metals....They are in business to keep the donations flowing and the cancer rates high.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are the ACS?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Allied Cronies of Soros.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acme Cash Solicitors'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alzheimer Copin-- wait, what was I saying again?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American Cancer Society, they are the major fundraiser for 'cancer research', and other things.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'race for the cure, ignore the cause'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cancer is big business'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Tigernuts, that is insensitive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to...?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The people ACS benefits'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insensitive my arse'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'May that be where it strikes you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That is a particularly nasty form'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like arguing that because of charities set up to deal with the aftermath of bad loans, you are not allowed to point out how bad payday loans are and that we should be exploring why we end up in a situation where people are desperate enough to use them'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's insensitive to the victims of payday loans and loansharks, and people in poverty'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who have, or have survived cancer might be interested to know why cancer treatment drugs make such vast fortunes for the drug companies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how environmental poisoning is causing cancer rates to explode'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'There is no statistics that separate the rate of cancer from the rate of popoulation increase, porovide your proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is the rate of population increase itself that is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Cancer is a form of curb for runaway population growth'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Zip it up!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cancer is just a sneeze.  The "cold" is the stressing that forces an entity into a less-fit state that makes it likelier for it to be culled from the herd.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'hanslanda, nice, but don't think at the individual level, what are the stressors on the herd, the breed?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'food (nutrition, quality, availability), shelter, and community (support, fears/worries, personal responsibilities to others).'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And where did fact free Tigernuts go?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still here'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and please don't misrepresent "having said something i don't agree with" with "fact free"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'opinions are fact-free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying lemons aren't apples'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is not about Democrats and Republicans, it is about the survival of the human species, and we are in fact at serious risk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, you just simply believe we are (and by extension, that you're among the group that won't make it through the crisis).'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humanity is far too big to fail right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'half the world could die off in one fell swoop and we'd still have a crowded world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We could lose the ability to leverage the knowledge gained in the past hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already did'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which doesn't actually matter on the survivability front.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The Library at Alexandria fell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could have 100 billion on the planet and be just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And die here'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, if you wanted a billions-strong death rate each year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your billions of people elsewhere please'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population numbers isn't the problem, it's population density'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/incidence/all-cancers-combined/#Trends'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better late than never'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can't force each other to share properly, so there will always be fights for resources between the haves and the have-nots.  Even if we assume such sharing was possible, we'd have to live through the environmental resets that would have to occur to erase our previous lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can hope for is lack of scarcity of basic necessity, then rely on small government and free markets to regulate the interface between people'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no ideologically pure system works in practice'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many people are on the baby-food diet today?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest is that Snowden will seek asylum in Ecuador'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That would be good, likely 98% of Americans do not know where Ecuador is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I's that line that goes through the middle of the earth right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I bet NSA has a team of 30-40 ppl looking at maps as we speak to locate it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'near the equator in south america the western side'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ecuador, they'll check their files and realise that's where their section chiefs go to boff 12yr old girls'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'shh don't tell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going to Ecuador, or boffing 12yr old girls?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'telling'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a little happiness goes a long way in a place like ecuador.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you a US citizen you still get arrested for being a pedo outside us soils'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the local laws'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no  tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if local law says a 12year old can be a whore'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'youll still get arrested for it in us'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you provide an example where it has happened?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'give me a sec'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason i question it is the issue of jurisdiction, unless it's illegal under international law'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/us/us-is-now-pursuing-americans-who-commit-sex-crimes-overseas.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is that good enough?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I assume this was also a crime in the countries it happened in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, this isn't really what i was looking for'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then go look up the legislation it refrences'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, there's the problem, you have a law that prohibits paedo tourism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i said id if your a US citizen having sex with a child any where in the world will get you in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, that's specific to the US'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it would not matter weather it was actually allowed in the place your visiting or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, the offence isn't the child molesting at that point'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's travelling outside of the US with the intention of'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well whatever im afk'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit of a statuatory dodge, but there we go. According to the blurb there was a fair bit of constitutional railroading to get it through'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the law doesn't really matter when kids are involved.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of kids'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"the law" as in the legal system in general, not specific laws dealing with children.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100 years ago, 14yr olds were essentially considered adults'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in many cultures, 12yrs is marrying and baby-making age'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '##[         Players Currently Online: 0           ]########  _-`"""', #######'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hanslanda's paedophilia broke the mud'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nancy pelosi being boo'd over Ed Snowden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVk4O12ySY0'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when they come for your guns, be sure to give them your bullets first'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thirdhand smoke can cause various forms of cancer and destroys DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'liquid air could provide us with a renewable energy source with efficiencies up to 70%.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no school.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'indonesia's burning of their crops is giving me a horrible headache'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there ain't no one here is there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari, what level of school are you at currently  (pre-assuming no truancy)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'secondary'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'indonesia's haze covers malaysia and over here the smoke number is around 200-300.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if secondary, your age is estimated at 12 to 17 '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '13-18 but yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so which end of the seciondary school age scale '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '15'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where are we going with this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'long way to go before you are education-experienced at debating the worldly opinions expressed by Aard trolls'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'd curse but that'd be immature.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not even a young grasshopper yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm experienced enough. thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'age is no measure of experience'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems more like you think you know everything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just enough to have some opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if one could know everything. one would not study at all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but i understand your view on youth'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those indonesians are not considerate '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a troll, i am an expert in that which i am an expert, with years and years of troll experience'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm an expert at ranting at our corrupt government and police.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which military is superior: malaysian or indonesian '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'military? indonesia. no contest'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the pollution that Indonesia is doing to Malaysia is perhaps able to be construed as "crimes against humanity".'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not that serious but it's still a pain'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chemical warfare during peacetime '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that just might fit though'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'chemical might be pushing it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in one of our states it's so bad clumps of ash can be seen in the air'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'direct world opinion against the indonesians sand their blatant pollution and callous disregard for the damage caused to other countries'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i doubt that will ever happen. m'sia and singapore the only afflicted after all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, the leaders of first world nations may like the business opportunities that Indonesia provides for the first-world-rich to get richer, and those (callous? greedy?) leaders may prefer to ignore the pollution crimes by Indonesia'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'while countries affected are too small and indonesia has incredible national pride.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, the grumblings of the common folk in first world nations are likely required to put (political voting-denying) pressure on the leaders of the first-world countries'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hit Indonesia in the pocketbook'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahhh, but we're developing, and have been for fifty years..... backwards'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we started as the best country around after WW3 in asia, but corruption has choked us.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'WW2 sorry'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i could rant about corruption and police selfishness but that'd bore you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what religions are malaysians mostly'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'multiple'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'should be at least'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'now it's Islam cause bumiputra get benefits for having more babies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'name a few of the major percentages'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Islam, Buddhist and Christian.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are usually the sources of corruption and maintaining corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'usually what i'm seeing is racial stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is corrupt and terrorist and financially incompetent (especially when there is no oil)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'preconceptions and prejudice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know a couple of good people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but i don't mix much.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no i'm not Islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhism is ineffectual and seemingly unconcerned with wordly financial matters and or technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are christians less faulty?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'foreign Christianity is there to fool nonwhites into being exploited by the first-world white nations'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is split you know'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you're seriously cynical'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm a buddhist, we live our lives trying to help others. not by not eating meat and fasting or praying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ineffectual is when people choose to do nothing. Your beliefs do not come into play. rather it is you're integrity and morals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'along with your ability'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(decent) modern technology shapes the world, not the ineffective alleged good intentions of defunct religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i choose to help others. does good intention not come into play?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the road to Hell is paved with (faux lipservice to) good intentions"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'quoting? from where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" is an old saying'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are you saying everyone chooses to simply pay lipservice to the idea of good intentions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are atheist all good'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are religious people all conservative and unwilling for change?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do all religious people treat technology as abhorrent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'See Scientology'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'incompetence, laziness and the other deadly sins, default to the appearance of lipservice'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is just religious people choosing to link unlinkable things at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology exploits the (poor) scientologists '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology is not a benign religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'laziness is the soul of creativity'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'granted. not something most people would accept, but it is truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari: 'laziness is the soul of creativity' - tell yourself that as a buddhist, and remain ineffectual'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not a buddhist saying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in christian parlance, sloth is a deadly sin'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what does a remote do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ans: allow you to sit and change channels instead of walking to change channels, no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhists already are afflicted with "laziness" in technology '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'laziness and indolence'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are christians not the same. use this phone and try to see yourself as not lazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'use a lighter instead of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least christians are able to invent design and build those remotes'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'use a bag instead of hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'these are laziness manifesting as creation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhist invent. and so do islam. and other cultures as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Jopari -- that is christian comfort after the hardwork of creation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'comfort?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'laziness as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the buddhist version of laziness, those remotes do not get invented at all'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sloth'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhist make no contributions.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's your view?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that other religions the same as well?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cart-before-the-horse catch-22 buddhism'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if the islam hadn't created math. what would you be?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'of all religions which is the most bloodthirsty?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'islam and christians. both of the same religion. yet fighting over insignificance'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a place Jerusalam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern christianity, atheism springing from modern-christianity, judaism, are the pro-technological religions - what happened in post-WWII Japan was due to christian USA inspiring Japan'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wrong. technology inspired them'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern-Islam avoids modern education and is not the seeking-knowledge old-islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'without tech. who would look to christians? extremists in Islam give them a bad name.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not knowledge seeking?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'think and tell me. who has monopolized markets? what country is the next big thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'power will continualy shift. a couple of centuries from now what will people think of christians? that they are no longer inventive? they've gone complacent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the modern islam (of terrorism) believes that the Koran and other holy-writings are sufficient as knowledge to be taught to the poorer muslims'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is a small fragment of islam.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they have begun to die out. how many terrorist threats have you seen lately?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a few rotten apples are able to spoil a basket of apples'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the hindus had great inventions till the aryans came in'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Jopari: Its cause the NSA is preventing them by scanning our phone logs!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is dying out. people won't admit it cause they want to justify military contracts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or you know. Not admit it because things like that don't just die out any more then war dies out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism is written into the Koran, and those scriptures await new batches of terrorists to be inspired by those terrorist scriptures'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is inspired by people misconstrueing the teachings?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So Zade, you've read the Koran? You'd say you're well versed in it'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is far far less terrorism in the Christian New Testament compared to Islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the crusades mate'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what are those?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those from India analysed and wrote books and webpages describing the terrorism in the Koran in explicit historical detail'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So you're saying you've never read the Koran?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hindus were victims of Islamic aggression and crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the koran says that the enemies who would crush the religion should be vanquished'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they misconstrued that into kill other religions followers'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Citations needed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'here. =p'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cite my textbooks and numerous texts on religions i've read over the years'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you can't possibly expect me to remember them all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That is not a citation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain citation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Something not so vague as "I read it in a book once"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'before i perhaps politely ignore you Daloran (for wrongly assuming things not in evidence), do you want this debate to turn into an explicit discussion of some of the various islamic terrorist verses (with direct quotes from the Koran and other holy islamic writings, plus historical backgroundt)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'would you kindly name all the the titles books you read last month'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'perhaps not'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but it does help me forget the haze here'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology (is like terrorist Islam) states that opponents to Scientology are fair-game for dirty (even illegal) tricks.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in this case it states that enemies who would crush(attack) you should be fair game for wars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'under hand tricks not stated. means up to you'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhism alone is benign but is mostly ineffectual in a modern world'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wars are the things that harm development'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is merely to guide how you live your life'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but is malaysia a modern example of Buddhism in technological action'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddism tells you to accept other religions. most others tell you to convert'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no. it is the chinese. who are mostly buddhist. advance the country along with Indians. who are hindu'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'muslims helped in administration but now not much else as education is a political tool by the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'causing a decline in grades and ability'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I would never say there are religions better than others. not because of my beliefs. but because it is the people that matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hello??'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'muslim are seeking gain more converts to Islam in Malaysia by ruining the education system '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'education is a tool to segregate the masses'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'by the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are incredibly racist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to convert the uneducated and poorly-educated to a bad religion '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nope. simpler to give themselves benefits'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are extremely educated are far more critical and rejectiong of bad religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in their law Islams cannot changr rrligion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are extremely educated are far more critical and rejecting of corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bad religions? here we go again?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'extremely educated?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a bad religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they lower standards cause their people cannot compete'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods your stubborn'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i can find it in myself to forgive japanese. you can forgive islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the extremely educated in first world nations are usually atheists and antitheists'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'jeez. you an atheist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is there a problem with being atheist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (atheists and antitheists) may yet believe there is a god somewhere, but not the obviously fake religious gods'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no. unless they keep insulting religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is also atheist if we follow your thinking'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"jeez" ?!? - is Jopari cussing the holy name of "Jesus"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it sticks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i knew a lot of Christians'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they also taught me parodies of christmas songs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari mumbles something about how the proletariat has destroyed Christmas.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Jeez.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Bud.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Moh.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Moh' Bud? Jeez!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Three religions at once.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'on this note. let's end the debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"one note samba" or "three note samba"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'The first sounds like a Brazilian Microsoft product.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see John Kerry is making a complete ass of himself on the world stage again, today'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Mercedes Benz sports car owners must consider handing them all back after it was found that their cars might,  upon calculating that they're going to hit a tree, spontaneously explode at high speed catapulting the engine and drive train 100ft down the road'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should just build a great wall of USA on the southern border....Could even have the illegals build it for $5 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I love that idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wall won't do anything. Have to change he incentives.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That amnesy crap is going to kill our economy...'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'our economy has been dead since 08'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, 20 million new illegals will show up to replace the current ones....since the wall is never going to be built....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps for you, but Texas is booming...so are 12 other states.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I say we send them back in the beat up dodge they showed up in.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the new immigration bill, the top dog herself has discretion to cancel the wall if it is deemed unnecessary.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'texas will get hit too shortly. Your dollar is my dollar and that is what has been dead since 08'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there is a reason the markets across the world have been tanking the past few weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Doubt it, Texas has a 6.5% unemployment rate and it is dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go get an energy job and stop whining about the dollar....:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I don't think your grasping this as you should be.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a weaker dollar is good, even though it has been getting stronger lately...'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stronger in a relative sense as in stronger than last week.  but still below 08' and rates are about to go up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'oh yea baby, here we go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your about to see some shit :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, means little to me. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it will when demand falls on its face'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and this time the printing press will be ceased as that has been keeping things going for the past 4-5 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'demand of what?  sexual favors from prostitutes ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'demand for oil and gas, demand for oranges from florida ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually the feds have been printing money to buy back high interest long term bonds in favor of the new short term low interest bonds.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they will be ending that program eventually...when they run out of high interest long term bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it ends by this time next year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'next 10 year will be 3-3.5 by jan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bond rates have been dropping like a rock....it is close to 0 %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'prime is .25'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '10 year has moved nearly .50 in the last 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dropping like a rock is relative though...it has been dropping for many years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'of course, but this time you have mass interest payments'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are never going to see high interest federal bonds again.....it is going to be like japan eventually...negative interest bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'japan is lol, they went lemming a few months back with their last grand idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt payment is manageable....but should be reduced by $4 trillion or so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well hell, lets not get to drastic now. wooo.. 4t.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weakening the dollar will help quite a bit....seems strange that it is getting stronger against europe, so they must be trying to weaken the euro.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'in terms of numbers to numbers, but going back to your original point, that is why purchasing power has been decreasing though the markets are at all time highs.  doesn't feel like the highs of 08 though eh?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the pain is about to begin. texas is gonna hurt too'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how so ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'okay, what is inflation % right now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the oil and gas revenue in the state just went up 66%, and is going to double in the next 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'just follow me a sec.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'whats current inflation %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets say 2%'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what is the historic'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2-3 %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so does a 100 today buy you 100 20 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maybe 4'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, that is why you work for yourself and make your own money....:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your missing the point'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is the point.....wages have stagnated, they are not beating inflation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so work for yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think wages are beating inflation, but not by very much.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 years ago you could almost work 1 job in a family.....30 years ago you could have....today you cant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, your not gaining wealth just from making more money, your money is worth less than what it was even just years ago.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and today both people make peanuts compared to 30 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there is a reason CDs are shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '6 years ago you could get them easily for 6%+, now your lucky if you can get 1% or slightly over'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but has the pain gone up. no, you call it wage stagnation, its deleverage of your dollar from the printing press'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr not pain, but pay'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should a bank give you 6% interest on a cd, when you are willing to take 1% and be reamed ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can get away with it today, as long as you don't want expensive cell phone plans, expensive cable tv plans, and the large houses many people have today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because the bank borrows it at prime or negative prime, 6 years ago prime was 3%, so it was worth more relative to another persons dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'QE, quantitave easing, stimulus, whatever the hell you want to call it.. MBS purchases. its all the same shit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, this is like time travel and paradoxes to me...it gives me a headache....all is fine in rizland, and I dont work for someone else. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Bascially, this is the shit in which everything is built on and right now, the fundamentals are not very good.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'CPI is how its tracked but you know very well how much milk and eggs have gone up in the past 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'only 2%? really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, unless people stop driving cars, buying food, and  working, things might get a little recessiony, but it will get better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative captain. negative.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you live in the US ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yurp'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'California ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn....usually most people live in cali :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the mentality in general is going to take a loooonnnnggg time '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine who lives in Virginia sold 400 lbs of tomatoes today....he is happy....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He sold 280 lbs yesterday.....400 lbs is his new record.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course he has over 1200 tomato plants on his property.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has been growing and selling tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and strawberries for over 20 years....he sells more now then he ever has...this local food movement is good for business.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'I'm here!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'now!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'answer my question!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'the answer is 42'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'is jesus your god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Jesus is everyone's God.  Not everyone realizes it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Is there a relgion that says Jesus IS God?  I thought he was more a prophet to some and maybe a son of God to others.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'no his not, Jesus is mere sheep, his a messenger of GOD.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'jesus is an idol. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'John 8:58 NIV ?Very truly I tell you,? Jesus answered, ?before Abraham was born, I am!?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'copy paste turned quotes into ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'John 8:58 NIV "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could someone explain what the importance and effect of the supreme court striking down Voting Rights Act of 1965?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that Obama mocks skeptics of climate change as 'flat-Earth society' when his support of it amounts to the spanish inquisition'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'voter ids.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the basic argument for unconstitutionality was that the feds were effectively arbiting state law instead of merely trumping it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-kBXM4dygc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's it about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suppose you'd call it civil disobedience on c-span'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does the supreme court ruling mean that states can demand proof of id to vote?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the state chooses to pass such legislation, yes.  The temporary interval wherein the VR Act of 1965 no longer actually exists as law aside, all the ruling does is say the FEDERAL government cannot tell the states how to run elections.  As I said before, if a state wanted to change election law in their state, they had to first apply for approval with the federal government.  If the federal government gives the ok, they can then go to the effort of legislating and signing into law their changes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does this reverse the decision in Arizona where the feds told the state that they could not demand proof of citizenship before allowing people to register for a vote?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that really isn't what the focus of the ruling was'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is it a side effect?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i would have to say no then for what your asking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'arizona will need to submit and pass another bill'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which couldn't be refused?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the ruling dealt with elections directly, not what was needed to vote.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your asking something different than what the focus was on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still not sure i understand why the focus is'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're misunderstanding, Tiger.  SCOTUS booted the Federal government completely out of the equation regarding states-passing-election-laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that DOES mean that if Arizona resubmits, it won't be refused'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or overturned in this case)'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'focus was on things like, did the state need approval for redistricting. if a election must be done, is it 'ok'.  the focus was more along those lines.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't need to submit.  AZ would just pass it in their own system.  No Fed involvement needed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why did it get overturned?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'correct, they won't need approval.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'cliffnotes of the ruling?  judges said in a nutshell it is not 1960, so you can't measure and define the rules based off the age since the times are different'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was overturned for a single paragraph that allowed the federal government to insert itself into a state process.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in that case 1. should the feds be able to do so, 2. were they right to do so in this case?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't overturned because we no longer need voting rights or because the outline of said rights is too archaic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I personally do not believe the feds should be able to.  When they first passed it, sure, because we were still segregated for the most part.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'USCon is currently resubmitting the VR Act of 1965 as-is without this tiny little part, so the lack of a voting-rights law is largely a symbolic loss.  It's basically class SCOTUS consequence--Congress makes a law, SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional, Congress amends the law.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, classic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i doubt it will get passed again.  looking at % of voting by race pool, the numbers are much more closer together which was the ultimate goal of the legislation from what i understand.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's a racist law by all accounts'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all positive descrimination laws and regulations should be abolished immediately'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Affirmative action will be next to go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'A strong case is moving up through the system right now, this ruling shows SCOTUS are open to overturning some of these older, race driven laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll have to get rid of socially left wing governments in countries to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can't change gov't, you have to change the way people view things.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't actually change either'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the world is screwed'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can change a little bit, if I try.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'with experience, people change. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't change nearly quick enough, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then next month I can change a little bit more'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, all the people are going to see is "no more guaranteed voting rights", which is essentially how the VR Act was seen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i won't disagree with that tiger, but sometimes it takes large scale mishaps before that is done.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Congress isn't about to let that stew for long.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's kinda like removing Social Security altogether (versus simply taking all the money away).'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not having the VR Act.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? what preceded it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'all the money has already been taken away. lmao'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts giggles at Acidangel's actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only upside to having our futures stolen from us by the corrupt elite is that we can laugh at the cocky youngsters entering adulthood knowing fully they'll suffer longer than we will'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of an upside, as it goes :-/'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jim Crow preceded it.  Voter IDs, Voter Competency tests (you can't vote if you're too stupid to understand what's going on), descriminatory processess, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think it is more stupidity then corrupt.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly corruption, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and greed'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i would say the opposite..'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the evidence from the banking crisis is that it was done with pre-meditation'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'most people are complete idiots when it comes to politics and econ.  But these are the same people voted to create laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so its stupidity, not corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't stupid, they made a fucking fortune out of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its corruption because they are stupid and don't understand so they just wet their own whistle'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'falls back to jefferson statemet.. you give any person 2 choices, they will always pick the right one if they know the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'corruption comes from stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they made a fortune, while at the same time gaining much deeper hooks into the controls of many sovereign nations, furthering their goal of world domination under a world government'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wandering into realms that can't be argued with because of personal opinion, AA'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imo, stupidity implies ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'mutually assured economic destruction is what your referring too'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's pretty explicit in my view.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's your mistake, it isn't mutually assured economic destruction'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stupidity is ignornance which breeds greed/corruption as those are basic levels'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'a WWG can only come about from that, so no. it is dead on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either you're talking about a different set of events to me, or i simply don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr OWG'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'simply don't follow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, you seem to think that the financial crisis had no winners'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'to create a one world government you must remove the current ones, in order to do that but also end world wars in the sense we known, economies became tied together after WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bankers and corporate elite won'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to end wars just yet, they make good money'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your not following'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they gain power, forget wealth as wealth is relative'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the medium term they will create more wars, after all, other than the money making, wars requires a NWO to prevent them'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stop thinking money = power.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'control = power.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money === control === power'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'currencies and debasing is how they keep the spread.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely right, the EU proves it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'a dollar is only worth what you think its worth.  when somebody prints another, your dollar is now 1/2 original value.  these same folks live and use your same currency so it affects them also, they gain 'power' through the 'control' we as society give them.  They in turn beat the deleveraging of the dollar through corrupt deals.  Money does not drive this, control does.  That is the point i am trying to make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, money === control'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they could print a zillion dollars if it was purely money based.  but its not.  that is why fear is used to try and pass things because YOU are giving up something personal, not money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too bad that nothing can be done about it now'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, money != control. Based on that then you would have to say Japan is a far richer nation than us is the exchange is $1 = 98 Yen, well 98 > 1 no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's why you're getting confused, you're assuming money === fiat currency'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'money is currency.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel prods Tigernuts into action!
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then replace "money" with "material wealth"'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so rich people raid villages?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'or use money to buy those material things?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a manner of speaking'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hyperbole'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it either is or it isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do both'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'don't pull politician on me and dance the question. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer was accurate on all levels. The rich elite leverage their position of existing power to tilt the tables through fraude, deceipt, manipulation, monopolies to "raid" the poor, and spend that wealth on further embellishments for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus they do 'raid the villages''
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your underlining idea is based purely on they want more money. They want more control, money/currency is nothing but a utensil to help that along with fear. the fiat currency exchange shows that is inaccurate as a dollars relative wealth from one nation to another differ.  Control is what is wanted, not 'plundering villages for money and material items'.  Freedoms are not materialistic. Those are what are taken from you. You can't 'pay' that, only give it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess the supreme court had to get a constitutional ruling right once every so often, by chance if nothing else'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what'd they mess up now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't mess up, they struck down the Defence of Marriage act'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how long before we hear about Chuck and Larry?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they need to strike down the NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(among other things)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, the coverup of the assassination of Michael Hastings continues, prosecutors seek a gagging order in the case of the 8th grader arrested for wearing an NRA shirt, and man faces 13yrs for writing on a bank's outside wall in chalk'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is it illegal to "case" a bank ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's illegal to walk into certain ones while wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, so I would think yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'several friends have suggested robbing one for a dollar to get healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'minimum haul for a bank robbery is $150.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but if casing it is illegal thatd be tres better'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a brilliant idea, you should listen to your bright friends :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if they can prove you are planning to rob it then yes but if they can prove that I think you have bigger problems'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans min one fitty. why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the least amount that's ever been taken by bank robbers.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'darned inflation'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a small bank, and I presume Brinks had already visited.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'just make sure to your get away car is bright yellow and has tips on the exhaust :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no no, rob it in an Edsel'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'd ii dnt brinks sell their brand to a subsidiary of mariner hsbc?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think if you steal $1M from a bank, the cops should fine you $6000 and let you go'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'studabaeker'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, that's what the authorities did to the thievin bastards who rigged the LIBOR rate, and the banks that got caught laundering drug and arms money'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't have one rule for them, and a different one for us now, can we?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a law for the rich and a law for the poor'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't Charles Babbage have a hand in the horseless carriage?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, sounds like being a banker is a safer way to rob a bank?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be until the revolution comes and they get strung up'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'libor rate is bank to bank lending, not bank to member.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger... will stringing up bankers help get healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmk. well. anyone have a prefernce for or against bank of ameica?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'against'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger k. who would you suggest rbbong for a dollar hn?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very against.  They've got the worst customer service, they've got the highest fees, and they routinely make errors in the bank's favor.  If they offered cable tv service, I'd go with Comcast instead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'robbing is wrong, i dont' suggest you rob anyone'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i made some good money off of BAC.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger. can you think of a better way to get healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Getting a job sounds like a better way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, go buy it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or use charity care'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bring along a trained monkey and a camara and break into a mogul's house in the middle of the night.  The blackmail alone should net you enough money for a sweet cadillac plan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'fen, walmart doesnt give healthcare. who else is firing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger who does the charity care?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all doctors used to until the democrats started screwing with healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try a church'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lots of churches here. do you mean ask at mass, or what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: '"hi, im not a member but can i have a surgery please" ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what do you think you need?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of churches, if you just asked if they knew of places that could help, probably have a list'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'pretty sure  i need a broken surgical rod severd or removed since its pressing into muwcle tissue in the spine and cat scan confirms'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'paraspinal muscle'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why won't medicare cover it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, i dont qualify for medicaire.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'y not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bcause im not on ssi etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'any other ideas tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait until oct 1st?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'for?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'im excluded from obamacare as a veteran. did you not read the bill?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, isn't it like 1600 pages?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there no veteran charities that can help?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i read it in gedit so i dunno he pagecount'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger not that ive found.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the democrat attack on charity, society, and church and replacing it with big government has been such a fucking disaster'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least, is an instance of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger stop adding poblems and focus on solutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when people band together to help each other, stuff gets done. When people are forced to/expect the government to do it all, it goes to shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a quote, go fundraising?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petition surgeons for charity rates for a veteran'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'iger people are used to fre e bies like youtube and piratebay. they wont even write a letter for my sake. let alone donate cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be surprised'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once fixed, what can you do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the list goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contemplated surgery abroad?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yep. cheapest country is still 62k neighborhood. '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'armenia'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does the UK compare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nearly 90k'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the added benefit of not killing you in the process'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the US?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Canada?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phillipines'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'canada, without getting enrolled, is also expensive. phil is more than uk'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so did you petition surgeons for Vet rates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger no. they wont talk to me without an appointment firs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd go speak to your local churches and see if there's anything they can do'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'their staff generally tell me they have insured an uninsurd rates but yhe hospitals do their own thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consider speaking to Oathkeepers too, even if they themselves can't help, you can bet someone who is a member knows someone'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that ought to kill a wek if nothing else.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oathkeepers are certainly worth a look, full of people who give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'guess how many religious listngs are in the dex yellow pages here in tulsa'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '431'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd go to oathkeepers before the churches, actually, they're people like you'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'in what way'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their membership is exclusively ex-military and ex-emergency service folks who swore an oath to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sort of organisation that the VA was probably -supposed- to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah the v.a. was formed a few  decades ago to move vets out of the v.a. and put in political appointees that agrd wth the vienam era conflic'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'veterans administration into dep. veteans affaira'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it fulfills its purpose to a t.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger you think making a youtube vid about it would help?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how well you can disperse it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinking of crowdsourcing the cash, eh/'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'try kickstarter'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd speak to the guys at oathkeepers first, but nods, it's probably worth a go'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah. thinking of shedding a little light on the v.a.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger  they have an office in tulsa?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'v.a? no idea, not american'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander said Sunday: "What Snowden has revealed has caused irreversible and significant damage to our country and to our allies."'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'impeach that liar '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Edward Snowden did a lot of good in revealing what the USA is doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the NSA had been obeying the constitution, i'd have joined them in branding him a traitor'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'dont worry we will all have cozy spots in work camps soon enough, the nsa can only work so fast'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll sick GCHQ on me. UK government announce 9% cuts across the board except for GCHQ which got more funding'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DeGraffenreid said Snowden, along with Manning and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, appear to be part of the "international, anti-American left" movement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it odd that when it's perpetrated against fascist neocons, they're "anti-american left", and when it's perpetrated against the collectivist left it's "anti-american right"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'its crazy how freedom and not wanting to be spied on has now become anti-american'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when all along they're just anti-war, anti-corruption, pro-liberty, pro-constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, provided you replace "funny" with "fucked up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funny/crazy/fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'touche!'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'prolly spelled wrong lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows you how much americans are getting brainwashed'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not much better off here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pulled a similar stunt with guns via the school system'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taking a leaf straight out of Hitler's book'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you get the children, you get the women, and so the men follow'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't remember whose quote that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'interesting concept'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'when getting laid is at stake who knows what can happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Edward Snowden did good in revealing what the USA is doing, regardless of whether the NSA obeyedor disobeyed the "constitution" (Tigernuts, your rash response was wrong)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't know, you are too far gone in defective kneejerk rhetoric'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'c'mon zade lower the syllable count a bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "constitution" is not the "ten commandments"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a really don't think Snowden intended to make terror organizations any'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, any smarter or more aware of their particular vulnerabilities, nor would I think he's hoping that as a result they manage to pull off another serious attack.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Wikipedia article on "Edward Snowden" does not indicate exactly what was revealed -- is there a weblink somewhere to what was actually revealed '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was basically metadata headering that got revealed.  Cellphone number,'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cellphone GPS location, call length, the called person's phone number, ISP routing info, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they weren't eavesdropping or reading emails/texts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the alleged (alluded to by Alexander) damage in revealing that the USA/NSA was NOT eavesdropping as extensively as previously believed '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and does that mean that the NSA is not scrutinising the crap typed onto this Debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording every call, voip, websearch, encrypted traffic is not widespread?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having access to windows OS's, and to many major cloud servers?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we don't rate high enough on their lists to bother eavesdropping on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their supercomputers will be trawling this, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll record/flag anything that triggers whatever heuristic analysis they're doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'surely wearing a NRA T-shirt is protected by the 1st ammendment, or are children exempted from this 1st ammendment protection'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case you're referring to, it did not breech school uniform protocl'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a group of 500 posers does not matter to the NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the NRA kids shirt case he fell victim of obama administration trying to demonise guns via indoctrination and inappropriate application of law'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the arresting cop should be fired, as should the principle'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would take an act of congress to fire the principle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was the trumped up charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spelling.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'official offence was "obstructing an officer" after he refused to take off the shirt'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'principle = belief (and original investments, but that doesn't apply here).  Principal = the leader of a school.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, fair nuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could potentially be arrested for sporting an offensive haircut, but i'm splitting hairs now'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is 14yr old still at middle school?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the officer is guilty of malfeasance'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '8th grader, probably.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8th graders are 12/13, no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'middle school is typically defined as 6th to 8th'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old would make you a 10th grader here, and firmly in high school'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle school is 4th-7th here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assuming you didn't get held back a grade or two.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high is 8-11'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 7-11 in my case'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that happens extremely rarely here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your area doesn't have Seniors?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'maybe he's a retard?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be, dude looks like a bit of a stoner'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or he could have just turned 14'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seniors?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '12th graders'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, usually in a seperate college as a rule for 12-13'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our degree courses are typically 1-2 yrs shorter as a result'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, wait, you're euro.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so if a bra-less female were wearing an NRA T-shirt, and an officer requests that she remove that T-shirt and she refuses, that is "obstructing the police" in the USA - sicko cops in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '1st ammendment stuff is tricky i was once detained for several hours cause i refused to change my shirt at a bowling alley an off duty sheriff deputy decided my shirt was obscene. ultimately when an active deputy showed up i was told either turn it inside out or spend the night in jail and pay a $250 public indecentecy ticket'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was indecent about it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it said "hello I may not be mister right but I'll f%&( you till he shows up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor isn't sure about this channels curse policy
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the deputy had no sense of humour, isn't that a misdemeanor?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most importantly of all, had a member of public or staff complained about it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1st amendment doesn't allow for indecent or illegal expression.  So even though you might not have a problem with a large print of a pot plant on your t-shirt, since it's still illegal you couldn't claim 1st-amendment protection.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but i didn't feel like sitting in a holding cell for the night til i could get in front of a judge'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fair enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and bowling alleys are all-ages public venues, so "fucking" would be inappropriate in any context.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'thats a bunch of crock and you know it hans there is no such thing as decent or indecent'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in situations like that, for me, it depends a lot on the mannerisms of the deputy'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he took you aside and had a quiet word and explained it, and asked you to turn it inside out, i'd probably have gone along with it too'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what a society considers decent is nothing more than their personal prudish concepts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'prudish = holding the belief what you feel is right/normal is the natural order of the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be prudish, but i'm not convinced it's wrontg'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was on the NRA T-shirt that was "inappropriate" '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no it wasn't, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be argued that the NRA shirt was educational'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the officer out to be jailed for violating the civil rights of the child '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and i agree if he had asked me to change or invert my shirt and explained how it was improper in that situation i would have changed it but seeing that it was 12:30 am on a tuesday i doubt it would have shocked many children. and he approached me by saying "hey buddy you need to take that shit off".'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in half past midnight?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'anyways my original point was either the !st ammendment protects all speech or it protects none there isn't much in this world that can be said or done that isn't offensive to someone. whench my there is no decent or indecent statement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all-or-nothing is a nice fallacy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "all or none" argument is defective'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fall somewhere between both of you, i think law enforcement needs to err towards the first ammendment, but first ammendment seekers do need to not take the piss'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling someone out on a tshirt at gone midnight is just jobsworthness'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we can get amusement in the fact that Rand believes child porn is protected by the first amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not funny, Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'child porn isn't speech'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is if it's in story form.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a child's 5th ammendment hasn't been contravened, then yes, i would agree, though tasteless'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I in NO! way endorse that'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but for once i agree with tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you don't, in fact, believe the 1st amendment either covers everything or nothing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i believe it cover it in the same way it covers my ability to call those people sick bastards'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody should be going to jail for speech'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might want to fine people for lewd or agressive conduct in public'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only when your rights are trampling someone else's is there an issue, and with all laws, there should only exist an offence where there is an interface between two people, and therefore where there is a victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that an offence is committed against "society", or a "population", but you have to be very very very VERY careful with those'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should require a very high burden of proof of actual harm in those cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, you shouldn't criminalise cigarettes because of perceive harm to society (because it's bollocks)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thirdhand smoke (the leftover smell and residue left behind after the air clears) is thought to cause cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you should criminalise pouring tons of harmful toxic waste in the public water supply claiming it's for 'public health''
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being alive causes cancer, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it causes alot of annoyance from my part anyway. Don't like the smell.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the very air  we breathe in its purest never touched form would still be toxic to us in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't smoke in most public buildings, what you do in your own property is your business. I have some sympathy for a ban on smoking in a car with a minor present'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see any issues really'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is blatantly telling lies with "being alive cause cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'not really zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are lots of laws in the UK that prevent advertising, prevent branding of packets, and prevent them being on display in shops which are all bullshit, and also the tax rate on them is too high. ALl the other regulations are appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if you weren't alive, you couldn't get cancer'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you could get an STD, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and old age causes cancer, cells, once they have run out replication juice (non-scientific term, i'm sorry) start to stand a higher and higher chance of mutating when they split'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heck, even if you're dead, you could even pass your STD on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what individuals do on their property is in some cases also society's business'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on what they're doing and whether it has a material effect over the interface with someone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'having live in california the this product/premises contains chemicals known to the state of Cali to cause cancer/birth defects. signs are impossible to escape'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'having never lived in California, I have to agree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it's suspicious that, despite in prior polls, GMO labelling in Cali was set to pass 2:1, it ultimately failed'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'oxygen the chemical that keeps us alive causes cell death and can cause cell malformation(cancer)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I blame dihydrogen monoxide'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'We need oxygen but we don't need to smoke. Especially not while pregnant for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'screw you i love water'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (in an eagerness to deceive others) is defective in english comprehension -- "vulnerability to cancer" is not a "cause of cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor :P
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you can argue that nothing causes cancer, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in asfar as your point, ElFeneri, that then is down to personal choice. An informed and non-retarded mother to be would not smoke while pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Zade.
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with analogue recordings'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it ultimately comes down to personal choice if you decide to smoke or not. When it comes to second hand smoking it's not always a choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in almost every possible case it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure it is.  Just because a smoker is there doesn't mean you have to be, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Banning smoking in public places is a good step towards that, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor makes the R.Kelly arguement
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while smelly, it really isn't dangerous, it'd be worse standing beside a road with traffic going past'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic is also something that is necessary'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic in it's current for is for now anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'form*'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smoke is both smelly and dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if i saw someone getting ready to pee on me and i dont move is it my fault for not moving or their fault for urinating'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes to both'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely your fault.  Presumably you saw the guy preparing to do something to you that you obviously have a problem with, but you decided to just stand there and let him do it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'personally i would say its my fault (I know i saw them, there is no way for me to be certain they saw me)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if you have ability and time to move out of the way, sure.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'urine is more tangible than second hand smoke, but it's not polite to do either in another person's space'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there's a bit of difference between smoking several feet away and peeing while standing right up next to you'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i know was reductio ad adserdum'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or to warn them ahead of time.  Even a quadraplegic able to reach the conclusion that "that guy's gonna pee on me soon" still has a voice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if tigernuts was urinated upon 24/7 ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by others -- second drip urine'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone here is, that's why we're all homeless'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I have a manor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they pay him to be the stand-in target for those Calvin and Hobbs car decals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you to it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'subliminal pollution several hours a day is able to be damaging to health'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'constant exposure to third-hand pollution is able to be extremely damaging to health in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, some pollution is more dangerous than other.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm not allergic to peanuts, but if somebody also not-allergic to peanuts were to go around spraying peanut-products mist (while claiming that second-hand peanuts and third-hand peanuts peanuts were not dangerous) ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'epinephrine-time or death for some extremely allergic to peanuts caught by that peanut mist, but hey, Tigernuts says that third-hand smoke is not that dangerous '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the difference there would be malice of forethought'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/airplane-engine-explosion-caught-tape-171159273.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Tigernuts is a nicotine addict willing to tell lies about third-hand smoke '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'video is not available it says'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a video of a Johnathon Cook jumbo jet about to accelerate down the runway when one of its engines exploded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what if the peanut mist sprayer were addicted to the odor of peanuts and insisted on the right to spray the peanut odor everywhere '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'callous reckless disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'malice of forethought disguised as callous reckless disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i'm allergic to certain chemicals used in cleaning food prep areas and used in most fountain drink machines If i eat at a resturant i've never tried before i may die so i'm alittle sensitive to this line of reasoning but I wouldn't try to get those chemicals banned from use based on that fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a good thing here is that research on how to suppress or eliminate the mechanisms that cause the allergic reactions is progressing. In an not too distant future it's likely to exist medicine for it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are sensitive to those chemicals, maybe others are sensitive to those chemicals in less amounts -- maybe those chemicals are actually dangerous (or maybe only you are defective)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i found relaxation and a small amount of alcohal helps without the epi-pien side effects'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are those chenicals -- sodium benzoate?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i thought i was gonna die(911 said the quickest ambulance couldn't get to me within the next 30mins) and decided to go out drunk a few minutes later i could breathe'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i never got it actually pinned down the doctors said i react to some red and yellow dyes and preservatives but none could explain the strength of the reactions i have. i dont think the tests were comprehensive enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So is today the gayest day yet in the United States?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we should all rejoice when the government does the right thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the examples are so rare :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nodnod'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the christian perspective, the government did the wrong thing ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'err, was there a lesbian pride day parade today ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there is an ulterior motive that the USSC decided to anger and incur the wrath of the christian god ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i don't see the connection?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure what is being debated here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the issue has  nothing to do with religion, it has  to do with constitutionality. Specifically, the rights granted to individuals under 5USAmend and 14USAmend'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, we can note that the Justices didn't bother to argue the merits of the laws, but rather spent their arguments on whether they should have heard the case or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's good that they did as they did. It's still tragical that 4 out of 9 voted against it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the  cases, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the votes against, were votes against the merits of hearing the case. The dissenters actually claimed that the laws being reviews had no standing since DOMA was deemed unconstitutional by Obama, and the 8 District Court stroked down Prop 8. According to the minority justices, that should have been sufficient.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how long before somebody may marry their favourite inanimate sextoy'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is a minimum delay of 25 days :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when robotics hits its stride then we will really have some fun with the USJC :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Can women (or men) marry robots?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the inanimate sex toys won't be so inanimate :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'incorporate the robot -- Corporations are people'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the robot would have to incorporate itself :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Robot hires a lawyer to incorporate the robot'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would  work. As long as the robot seeks the attorney on its own :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I get a feeling I should have been paying attention to these National Stasi Agency leaks'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope congress kill the immigration bill'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why. more citizens means more cost to spy on our citizens'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not something to joke about'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'its not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to know how much of a bad idea it is, look how badly screwed the UK has been by unlimited immigration from the EU'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unmanned camara networks are, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's destroyed us'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, you folks were already just subjects of a crown anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen is a traitor'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'debate talk like that wont get you invited to tea'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what power does the royal brat pack have?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tons, they just refuse to use it, which is why they are traitors'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen should be performing the same role as your president'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was disrespectful, Hanslanda, are you a communist'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'today I am.  I can't guarantee how I'll vote in the upcoming election, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's an upcoming election?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, it's for the imminent midterms.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are your options?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dumb and dumber'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote third party'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not gonna waste my vote on dumberer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not got a decent constitutionalist candidate?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no idea, but it's not like independants have any traction.  If he wants me to vote for him, he'll have to make it worth my while.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by not being the usual two fake choices'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sounds like you want him to pay you'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like I said, independants don't have any traction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have you down as a socialist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not socialist, I'm communist.  Pay attention, please, before you turn into a modern-american'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well, if you're a communist, don't vote'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'commies are just extreme socialist.. so..'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at an ideological level, no, at a practical level, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dew the jew, yeah!'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'ideology tends to drive the other no? they are not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'commies are wannabe murderers'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like the immortal John Lennon said, "There can only be--oh no!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare + immigration bill = mass job losses for americans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was gonna come regardless.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldnt be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens - at least 13 years under the Senate bill - businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead."'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like you've got morons in charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh wait, that's right, you do'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'traitors in charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'him of the 'transparent' government and his fake birth certificate'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since the republicans are required to pass that bill, the republicans are also to blame'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck, the immigration bill will get burnt, but obamacare is already in, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'most of it starts in '14'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all of it starts in '14, I thought?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the tax parts have been in since signing.. of course right? lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'A few small parts have started, most of it starts in '14.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why the hell they didn't just set up a government health insurance scheme paid for by a 20% tax on other health insurances, i don't know, with mandatory insurance if you earn above $x, with contribution tailing off with salary'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's pretty nice that the worst-case scenario is potentially going to happen in an election year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the worst case scenario is why DHS have been arming to the teeth and preparing riot squads'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're way off base on that one, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because its going to hit the fan in a few years'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it way off base?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the DHS is mainly beaucrats for one'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'when obamacare messes up your health insurance, remember that it was already messed up by private companies :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the DHS is outfitting a small army'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Brigade Homeland, look it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'how was it already messed up by private companies?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've had riots europe wide, in turkey, and egypt is about to explode. UK will be next'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'police agencies in the US have been militarizing for years long before the DHS stepped in'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, RandAlthor'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'when 80 troopers show up to respond to a domestic violence call and end up killing 6 of there own in cross fire something is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is the illegals they are preparing against.  Most of them are the undesirables, having been kicked out of the motherland for stuff they don't tolerate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not preparing to act against illegals, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yea, you got that backwards.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Barack Obama (the incompetent moron) to blame for Obamacare, and or the Democrats, and or the Republicans, and or Mitt Romney (for originally suggesting Romneycare - the format for Obamacare)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the illegals are their friends needed to guarantee a socialist government'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standard create-a-dependant-population-to-maintain-your-power. Same thing happened in the Uk with welfare'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, who do you think is going to start the rioting and create reasons for big brother to step in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the illegals, hans, they'll be the ones with jobs'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems Obamacare is a deliberately collusive greedy effort by many in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare is an absurd law'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '"pushed by companies", but apparently pharmaceutical companies are okay in libs eye.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were doubting the tea partiers when they were telling you this was so, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i use socialised healthcare already and have since i was little (native health services)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Obamacare was badly designed -- indicates the leaders in the USA are mentally-damaged and or so greedy as to appear incompetent and mentally-damaged (as they go laughing and snickering to the bank)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and from personal experience if it isn't an emergency or major surgery i have never had an issue with it (can be a pain to get an appointment on short notice but thats it)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the national (social) healthcare here is jekyll and hide'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, if your birth certificate mistakenly says you're male, showing your naughty apparently doesn't qualify as proof that you're female.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some lady has to go get a doctor's note saying she's female so she can renew her driver's license.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'even that wouldn't work in some places'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but as inappropriate as it might be, I think most women wouldn't mind proving it onsite to a lady trooper simply to avoid extra hassle with the DMV.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'in the US thanks to DHS taking over the dmv/bmv/bvr/(whatever your state calls it) it can be next to immpossible to change the info on goverment issue ID's short of a ruling by a court'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a medical operation does not change the sex of a human -- merely converts that human to a freak - the base genetics determine the gender, not a cosmetic surgical operation'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'even that is debatable zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what actually defines one sex from the other?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so a guy with a pie should perform his sitdowns in the mens' room?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can women born as women get an adam's apple surgically implanted?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure that a simple DNA test can shed light on the sex of the sampled.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if someone is born with male sex organs and was raised as a man but when he tries to have kids discovers he is a rare form of hermaphidite that is perfectly male on the outside but geneticlly is female would he then be forced to change his sex to female?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it has happened, and no, not forced, but chosen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i know it happens thats why i used it as an example'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides it's not as simple as what organs you have, but what hormones predominate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'females with breast implants are freaks atempting a lie (but if they earn a lots of money as an actress, they may delude themselves that becoming a freak was worthwhile)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is this "freak" thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would consider a woman with natural 48FF as a freak, too. But so what :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I know i have to take whats said on here with a grain of salt but thats possible the most closed minded thing i've read'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'about the 48FFs?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'females with breast implants, that do not earn money from the implants, and endanger their health -- are pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no what zade was saying'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'zade is a freak :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are those the beer-crushin' jugs that almost killed a man (Busty Hart)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer females all natural and genuine'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, who doesn't. But while implants might be a bit stream, it falls under the same category as make-up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean, some women will scare the crap out of you if they ever take their make-up off, but while they have it on, they make you drool :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'breast implants are not "make up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or hair extensions'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I meant "a bit extreme" :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'breast implants are a turn-off'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'so is fake hair'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not the same category'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, Zade. What about our putative 48FF owner. She would fail to be natural if she got a breast reduction to save her back, in your opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'falsies fall under the same category as makeup.  Implants are way more permanent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so are tattooed eyebrows :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or tattoos in general'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'external falsies -- make-up, somewhat'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real ones, yes.  Henna tats wash off.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'internal falsies -- freakazoid, not make-up'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with falsies is that at some point the woman has to take her shirt off :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'does the fact i have 9 tattoos spread across my body make me a "freak"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'makes you lampshade materail'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is your self-esteem so low, that you required tattoos'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you also oppose dental implants, Zade, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no eash is a reminder of important moments or people from my life'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hip and knee replacements, blood transfusions, and the act of healing cuts. '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dental fixtures that provide chewing function are okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'each*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so a flat chested woman who wants to be able to feed her child is a freak if she provides something for the child to hang on to.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but some of those "blazing smiles" are overdone and ludicrous -- those shiny white teeth are huge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'remember, there was a time when doctors were removing nodules from the chest of pre-teen females. Too late they found out that doing that caused the girls to fail to have (visible) breasts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'silicone is not a source of nutrition'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, not nutrition, but the augmentation will make it easier for the woman to feed the child.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no bu a baby needs something to graps to beable to suckle'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you get high on pot excess?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'RandAlthor, you are not serious -- did you even peruse a medical book on lactation'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my little brother was born with a hairlip and needed special bottles/nipples just to survive the first few months'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i learned a good bit from the whole ordeal my family went through'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'evolution depends on the misfits not breeding -- unfortunately, modern science is permitting the defectives to breed'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's one way, Zade. The other way is that misfits do breed and have successful offspring. That's how we evolve.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't think that walking fish were not misfits, you have a weird definition of the word. Fish that flapped onto shore and (GASP!) didn't axphixiate when breathing air.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what would you consider a misfit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'asphixiate*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a fish that decides to leave the water and flap round on land.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an elephant that decides to leave land and take to the sea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'had the fish stayed in the water, evolution would have been a lot different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'people that would have been killed out of "mercy for the child" at other points in history have made huge contributions to our society'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but thanks to those freaks, here we are :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a genitic misfit hell dependent on medical aids and prosthetics - a horrid scenario -- perhaps WWIII is coming to remove modern science amenities so that evolution may proceed as intended --> the misfits don't breed as much'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'look at the discoveries that have been made studing savants and people with aspergers'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aqspergers that go on a murderous killing spree ..'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recently, a few months ago, an aspergers misfit went on a murderous killing spree '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and how many normal individuals have done the same thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- the misfits are not required'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'were that the exclusive province of misfits I would worry more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'none of us are required.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe you are not required, with that defective logic'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'one solution to over population would be kill everyone that net worth is below 2.5m (makes about as much sense as any other i've heard)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God, however, is likely using evolution to improve the human race  (whereas some of the human race isusing technology to save the defectives, thus cursing the human race)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know I didn't buy my aura as a newbie, I was x2.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i reincarnate, i prefer to be in a decent healthy body, and not an accursed defective misfit saved by modern technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that actually might explains why im an atheist (My callagen forms misshapen so my bones are around 2/3 the density of normal God has been trying to kill me for the benifit of the normals) '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'collagen*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ability to earn money is not an indicator of genetic fitness'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after the people quit being squirmish cloning will come into its own. The problem that remains is the data transfer process.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'well the ability to amass money is a sign you can out perform others in certain arenas'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'excessive cloning is not a safe solution -- cloning reduces the biodiversity '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that some of you do not think through the idiocies you suggest
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'not sure of the others but i have been trying to out idoit someone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what idiocies?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasmeen: 'i no idoit lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one said anything about excessive cloning ( except maybe you). But  cloning beats the hell out of prosthetic replacements. Also if the alpha needs a transpant, what better place to get the organ than from a clone?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, rejection, no suppression protocols, cut here and sew there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, what will probably happen is that the cloning process will be confined to needed organs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imagine, you lose a leg, and another is grown for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I hate obama !'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but as I just pointed out. They will only have if they have some expectation of how the event would go. Something a virgin can't have, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if a woman said that to me, I would look at her like she were crazy and continue to go about my business :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imagination is no substitute for experience.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a slow scandal day, news is just reporting the temperatures'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months/'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teen made a violent joke during video game, jailed for months'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon people will not actually talk to each other at all for fear of being jailed'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that joking teen in Britain or some despotic tyrannical third-world country'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a state that should know better'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so 1st ammendment rights are disregarded in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just anti-terrorism laws misapplied'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drastically mis-applied'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Texans are devolving into animals '
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, there are good people in Texas, the animals in Texas are coming in from California'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amusing idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNb34vPqrN0&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this snowden guy is a scapegoat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2010 an hbo tv show called Newsroom did an episode where a NSA researcher, except a knowledgeable one who had 30 years of experience or more, gave info about the NSA spying on americans emails, and other communications.  And now some part time worker who shouldnt have had access to such info was being hunted because he said the NSA was spying on americans emails and communications? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have had access, but did'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he wasn't the first NSA whistleblower, he was followed (notably by William Binney) but there were others'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little doubt that the NSA have been conducting mass surveillance of the general public in breech of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in breech of UK law'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old NRA shirt wearer arrested for not changing his shirt has charges dropped'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think the texas abortion bill was pretty decent'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deposit not yet saved, interest rates about to go flying up, what does one do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and banks threatening to confiscate deposits'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Best TV quote from yesterday "I'm not racist.  I'm from the U.K."'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'congratualtions on defeating racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'UK is on the verge of OKing the making of babies with 3 parents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'he, she, it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's to help defective moms avoid passing on their defects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds good to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'defective? Excuse you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, defective.  In the biological sense, like genetic diseases and fatal gene-related issues.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran slaps Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it seems perfectly reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I wish that we could scan sperm and eggs for genetic defects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We can scan parents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct. But if they have one gene for, one gene against, we can't choose the egg we want'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Parents are always going to play genetic lottery, that's part of the game.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course. But if I were carrying something, I'd love to be able to select against this specific thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are already protocols in place to detect defects by looking at the DNA markers.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can test the fetus and abort if it went wrong. Of course, that's a moral gray area.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right -- but not yet to look at them on a single cell'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for me, that's not something I would consider unless it were a lethal defect anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the UK thing is taking it a few steps further by splicing together healthy genes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree, if I had the risk of such a defect, I would not risk it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would easily choose not to conceive a child with, for example, an inherited tendency towards diabetes, if possible. But I wouldn't choose to abort a child simply because they had the tendency towards diabetes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well.... the problem with that thinking is that problems in a persons life tends to activate innovation. What if the kid you choose not to have would have cured (type 1) diabetes. Of course, you can never know.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could, on the other hand, extend that thinking to rediculous levels and just be against all forms of family planning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I doubt we're going to run out of problems for kids to have. But the best way to cure shit like that would be to breed it out with selective genetics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and exactly, to your last post'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and by selective genetics I do *not* mean 'you can't breed, you defective person''
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but rather 'we'll choose an egg that doesn't carry your most severe defect, unless of course you have two genes for it''
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that would be one step too far :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'defective people breed now even when they know that the chances of having a defective offspring are high.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, one of my friends knows a family who have 7 kids, 5 of whom have cystic fibrosis'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one talks about that moral "gray" area.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I consider that fucking irresponsible, but they are very devout and believe that all forms of contraception are immoral.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, so the kid suffers for a lifetime and that's not  immoral. I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as I already implied, I strongly disagree with them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why they go for the "third man in".  Instead of playing genetic lottery, you're throwing loaded dice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you make it sounds as if their choice is moral. Personally,  I think it's criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. it's still a lottery, but you get to load their dice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am not arguing with you. I am saying that they believe it is a moral choice. '
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if someone decides to take this to the next level, and mix and match genes to get a "perfect" baby, I might be against it. '
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Right -- my personal comfort level falls with 'okay, here's a few eggs, here's an ejaculation of sperm, let's pick a good pair' -- that's still non-modified natural genetics, just accelerated.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, more revelations come out, this time of the NSA snooping on EU offices in NY and Washington'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly surprising'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"When training beats education, civilisation dies"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Another example of the pointless partisan fights. How hypocritical is it that the democrats whine and moan when the republicans block bad legislation on guns or immigration, and in the next breath they themselves are blocking entirely reasonable laws on abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because it wasn't an entirely reasonable law.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although I agree about the hypocrisy -- sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which wasn't an entirely reasonable law?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no abortions after 20weeks, clinics must have admission agreements with hospitals with 30 miles? sounds reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even non-surgical abortions must be done inside a surgical center, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because of when things go wrong and people die'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds entirely reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's because it's a plausible way for them to restrict abortions, when their real goal is to restrict them by any possible means'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that makes them safe is a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of their underlying opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's an appropriate compromise between the two camps'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the risk of abortion is currently lower than the risk associated with childbirth. there's absolutely no reason to require a surgical center for non-surgical abortions'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are places that require a surgical center for childbirths'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not a valid comparison'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, home birth is still legal in every state, unless some restrictions have recently been passed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the distance argument is especially pertinent since texas has a mandatory 24-hour waiting period on abortions -- so not only would you need to drive several hours, but you would need to stay overnight or make the drive twice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's really just aimed at making sure those nasty sluts who have sex get punished for it'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that hiring a direct-entry midwife is illegal in 23 states'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct, but you can still stay at home and have the kid by yourself, you just can't pay someone to be there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that makes people think it through is a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'think it through? yes. drive hours on repeated days? no'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds more like you just want to cut the number down however as well, and are justifying it based on 'safety''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is entirely avoidable in 99.99% of cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really can't see what the bleeding heart liberals are screaming about, it provides a safe and legal means of getting an abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure, if you're going to drive hours on consecutive days'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it's a crock of shit. There are no practical safety considerations -- the only reason that the republicans are promoting 'safety' is because they think they've found a back door into blocking abortions.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so clinics can adapt by offering overnight accommodation as part of their fee'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, let's triple the fee.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that any different to california requiring permits to buy ammo?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we have an ideological opposition to something which we can't make illegal, so let's throw as many obstacles in the way as we can in the name of safety"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I disagree with that too, why would you assume that I support ammo permits?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't assume any such thing, was drawing the parallel'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(using your argument as you gave it)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, both of them are bullshit, so I'm not sure what your argument is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that sounds fair "I think the argument is exagerated, therefore it's bullshit"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You're being deliberately obtuse now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you started it!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Requiring ammo permits on the basis of ideological opposition to guns is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Happy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you invaded poland!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But so is requiring surgical centers on the basis of ideological opposition to abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IF that's their principle reason for it, then yes, i agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'OUTside of that being the motivation, i think it reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tweets indicate that it certainly is for many of them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll certainly be why it gets support'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of minor medical procedures (vasectomies, colonoscopies) that are not performed in surgical centers, because surgical centers are few and far between in texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, i wouldn't have either outside of surgical centers'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, it's getting support because tx is currently republican-dominated and one of the more conservative areas of the state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what i just said'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, states of the us'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'movement in the direction of the dominant opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't get support for a full ban, so i guess it's a compromise right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really, it's intended as a whittling away that might hypothetically get past the supreme court, as a step on the move to a full-out ban'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a full ban is a pipe dream'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might be, but it's the goal of a lot of the people who are promulgating this now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is as far as, realistically, they can go'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is abortion even a controversial issue anywhere in europe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'simply because it's as far as they can realistically go doesn't make it a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does it make it a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No. But excessive and unnecessary 'safety' procedures make it a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just 'a thing''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't want an abortion in a dodgy clinic without links to a hospital'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might choose it if I had to'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, i'd choose not to put myself in that position in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'after the governor says that his goal is to 'make abortion a thing of the past', frankly, any 'science' he gives is suspect'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of small clinics which do not perform surgical abortions. Currently, they are not required to be set up for surgery, since they ... don't perform surgery.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, just like "we need to brainwash the public into thinking differently about guns", and "if could have got the votes to ban all guns, i would have said 'America, turn them in'"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because one group of politicians is utterly idiotic about guns does not require defense of the other group being utterly idiotic about abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the topic was broached as a comparison of hypocrisy between the two groups'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both groups are hypocrites when it suits them, I fully agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it's irrelevant to the discussion as to whether it's a good bill. '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they should scrap the distance element'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wouldn't believe any gun violence statistics brought forth by someone who's stated that their real goal is to ban all sorts of guns, including hunting, either.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merely having an admission policy with a hospital'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, it's the surgical center element that's the most dicey in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of them only do early-term abortions, where it can be terminated with methotrexate. you don't need a surgical center to give a shot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is some form of license required to do it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presumably this is the purpose of floor debates and ammendments'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as it stands, though, it's problematic for many reasons '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would allow an ammendment to discriminate between early terms abortions where just an injection is required where there is no/little risk of complication, and later term abortions where monitoring would be safe'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it to the democrat ideology extreme, sure any abortion any time, give minors abortions without permission or telling their parents, and allow post-birth abortions up to the age of 3yr'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrasted against ban all abortions, ban masturbation, ban condoms'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't forget require women to wear burkas so that they don't inadvertently seduce guys with a look :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was steering clear of islam and talking only about catholicism'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as we are going to ridiculous extremes :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are actually some conservative protestant sects that very strongly think that it's the duty of the women to cover up as much as necessary to not lead guys into temptation'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm not even kidding (although currently they ARE fringe nutters)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even conservatives though'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would describe that as socially repressive'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'conservative and socially repressive are not mutually exclusive (although neither are they synonymous)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i berate the way that language has been usurped'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like "liberal", "republican", and "democrat". wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my chickenburger is made with cow!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, I would classify those idiots as a subset of conservative (just like there are flaming idiots in every camp'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'EAT MOR CHIKIN'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, while you have a party-system, you will never be able to extricate laws from the partisan motivation behind them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unfortunately, I think that even without a party system there'd be such things'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd still get some degree of ulterior motives, but it would be more fractured'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult to imagine what a parliament without political parties would look like'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still would prefer a proportional representation system to what we have now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble with PR is that you can't have local representation'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but you could have local on one system and state on another'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could run it on a state by state basis i guess (for senate/congress)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes that is what I meant'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does mean that all of the senators and congressment for that state represent all of the state, which is a shedload more work for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK just banning party whips would be a start'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muddies the waters of responsibility/accountability, which is an issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PR was trounced by the public here, they said no'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most people don't think sucking is bad in bed'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOWvMs8bsE8'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah, if you ask me pretty much every sting operation like that is entrapment'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Not competent enough to stop actual crime? Just talk people into commiting crimes yourself and then arrest them! Brilliant!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Just like the case with an undercover cop pressuring an autistic teen to sell him drugs. That shit is disgusting, I don't know what that kind of bullshit actually acomplishes. '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the idea is that by doing this they can pressure the dealers inthinking their bent, but sometimes it really is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, lemme get this straight...guys who are known to already have committed violent crimes are tricked into plotting to commit more violent crime and you're gonna cry foul?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the purported effect id to flush out dealers and others'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the most effective way for that is to target innocents, not the already-guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is a little dumb. nut repeat offenders are the targets, too many innocents. better to have direction first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, what kind of chance does a family of 4 have against a team of 6 hardened criminals (a few of which are lawmen with takedown skills)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'uhh, please clarify'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you lost me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'give your catfish easier targets, but make those targets have meaning to them.  Lots of people have real issues with targetting the innocent, particularly if it's friend or family or somehow otherwise untouchable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry working only on recent reference. I don't have adequate info.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like 10 or 20 of history'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like that movie with Cameron Diaz and the creepy old guy with the button.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you press the button, you get a million bucks but someone has to die.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I don't watch movies unfortunateely'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that someone turned out to be whomever previously pressed the button or was close to you, I think'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh, so you mean an inability to seperate personal life and proffesional?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'entrapment is never ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did any of the mainstream media point out Nelson Mandela was a communist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or that the SA people voted in a longtime criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well i'd forgive him'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though unlike the patriots being targetting by the obama administration, mandela actually did blow shit up'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you just need to revoke obama's passport and tell him to stay in africa'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's already served his purpose, Tiger.  Time for his last meal.  Fortified with extra minerals to make the rest of his life as comfortable as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence carbon trading'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hahaha, US's first cheif privacy officer, Nicole Wong, came from Google, so clearly that makes her best placed for the job'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you might say she was ... the wong woman for the job'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'NO.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'remember that faye wong song, ' all eyes on me ' ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, better get the wight one, next,a nd have a zombie government'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she also worked at Twitter, which is about as diametrically opposed to privacy as it gets'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'except that twitter has no potential for hidden sensitive data.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Tiger.. I hate to say it, but I don't think you have the slightest clue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's Briton''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles at Daloran's joke.
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a good indicator of why i hate article writers: "Among other accomplishments, McLaughlin and his successor, Daniel Weitzner, led the White House's efforts on a consumer privacy bill of rights that grants consumers internet-surfing protections such as a "do not track" capability, a technology adopted by web browsers to blocks advertisers from using cookies to track internet users."'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's Briton's "privacy officer"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos do you think canidates with ovaries, or without ovaries, will be more sensitive to the issues'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who gives a monkies about cookies when the servers don't require cookies to track you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmnm, layer 4 and beyond. cookies. dpi. and huggles!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why was it such a break through when you could disable cookies in your browser since pretty much cookies were invented'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, what about pfa'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'professional footballers association? what about them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah :) google it. or ask ms wong to google it for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'our thinking is a colored by our emotions which are a function of our hormones. That said, I don't think that it makes much difference.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have liked to have seen a someone with a good grounding in constitutional law, who actually supports the rule of law and constitution, who is also a security expert to have got the role, not some vapid liberal who cut their teeth with vapid Twitter and GoogleNSA'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I for one welcome our new search engine overlords.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, are you banned on twitter, is that it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'cosntitutional law doesn't help. There is no provision for privacy in the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yes there is. 4th amendmant moron'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like saying "we need a renowned, skilled musician to help lead our policy on teaching music in schools - i know, let's hire Will fucking I am'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts most professional musicians and most music academicians are very different groups of people'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it may be inferred from the 4USAmend, it's not spelled out anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, VD'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no its not, what those groups really want is funding, not a new czar'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like hiring Charlie Sheen as the new drugs czar'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Entering a camel in the Kentucky Derby'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Entering Warwick Davis in the tallest woman in the world competition'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'btw, tiger, is it just me, or is the latesy bleach arc too predictable, making uryyu a sacrificial body for bach to overtake just seems too obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hesitate to say it, it's like making Ed Balls shadow chancellor when he can't count to 5'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch it, VD'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger why not? too cool for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch very little telly, and what telly i do watch, i wouldn't want to see silly japanese cartoons'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'do you think it's safe to eat an entire carton of yogurt in one sitting?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it expires tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't mind some constipation :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either eat it, or leave it for a week and use it as foot cream'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why constipation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah, i dont need to cream my feet, thank you though tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excessive comsumption of milk products may lead to constipation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'really? is it the calcium, the casein, what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i thought yogurt was good for the digestive tract?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know, and it doesn't happen to all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing is good in excess'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only if it has 'bifidus-regularus', and is spoon fed to you by Jammie Lee Curtis'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well... if i dont eat all 2 lbs, what should i do with the rest, since tiger's foot creamery isnt gonna help'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or sweet acidopulous'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Eat? It doesn't go in that end..'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'daloran sure it does =) it's not your mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmnm tasty so far. maybe i can make those glazed pretzel things'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Really? You're going to go with a mother joke?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your mom > you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So, what are you implying'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that those glazed pretzel things might be good'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'riiiiighttttt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23119656'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get used to it, it's started happening in the UK and US too'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, and it's mainly the Shia minority targeted by the government for political dissent, well there's a surprise'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, 7 plainsclothes agents all but attacked an SUV of college coeds after one of them came out of a qwikEmart with a 12-pack of water they mistook for beer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'where is this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she was later pulled over by a uniformed cop and arrested on felony charges (grand total of 15 years and $7500 in fines for three charges).'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was in Charlottesville, Virginia'