T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I just learned about a country I'd never heard of before because of a scam email...who says they're not valuable!'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://pastebin.com/cg3XyBaH'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and another spam with the ironic subject "Internet marketing is dead"'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting stuff...  I would suppose that the BENIN REPUBILC's wire fraud department is not exactly state-of-the-art'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'why is america building tanks , are thay planing WW3?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'todays tanks are for tommorow's war... who knows?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'i dont like what america dose to test their weapons but its a good idea more countrys should do as america dose . . '
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a very 'bait' heavy hook'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'no its not , when america wants to test a new weapon , guess where it gose? Iraq babe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I chose not to debate that issue... as a veteran of the Iraq and afghanistan wars, I am too emotionally attached'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'sorry. . .'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... no need to be sorry.  It could be a very active debate... I just don't care to myself.  someone else might like to engage'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'where's Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. he's usually up for some good 'ol USA bashing'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts is late :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, he never bashes USA, only what Americans are letting it become'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'its 5am'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was so important that required me to debate about anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch this, then wonder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SRkFDcX_72c'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like the water that puddles up around the cattle feeder out in the pasture'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'apparently, the derogetory use of the word "cracker" to describe a white person is "politically correct", and NOT at all improper since is part of the "black english" lexicon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so by that logic the use of a "white english" lexicon permits the politically-correct proper use of various words to describe nonwhites and other ethnic minorities - interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a logical person would think... but no.  that is an incorrect assumption'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which was sort of the point of my initial comment... If you consider the english language, for the most part, one english speaker can ferret out what another is saying regardelss of regional dialects... it can be tough, but is mostly possible... now comes along "black english", and it's completly incomprehensible to a non-black english speaker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is to say a non-"black english" speaker, as opposed to a "black PERSON" who speaks english'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is a "cracker" - a "perceur du coffres-fort" ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was Oceans Eleven thru Oceans Thirteen derogatory'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Safecracker Box?  I don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the french even composed a catchy song singing the praises of "perceurs du coffres-fort" '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see now.  you're not from the USA... "Cracker" is a derogetory term (as in saltine cracker) used in "black english" to describe white people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "blacks" are simply envious that whites are successful at the skills used by the Oceans Eleven team'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the white perspective, "cracker" seems to be a term of praise'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't the "ocean's eleven" crew's safe cracker black?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'saltine crackers are tasty'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'played by Don Cheadle (from Iron Man)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did not notice any coloreds in Oceans Eleven other that that oriental contortionist - if there were, was psychological filtering '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bernie Mac was in elven - cheadle was in thirteen'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if Oceans Eleven used a "black" as a "cracker", then that was an inside joke poking fun at "blacks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'didn't see Oceans Thirteen yet '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Stephen Colbert proudly says "I don't see color" -- he's colorblind?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone sees color (metaphorically)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how we apply that can, however, vary'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is a racist, especially nonracists'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd agree with that IF you substitute "racist" with "bigot"... "Racist" is an EXTREMELY mis-used word.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'that very well might be but the types of racists are different also..'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i don't like foreign looking people who don't know how to behave in someone elses home'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'technically im a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"the right to rule inferior races" is a key component of the definition of the word "Racist"... Hitler was a racist... someone who doesn't like another race is a bigot....  technically, you are a BIGOT'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, some may be a tolerant racist but not necessarily an intolerant bigot'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'allright. good enough for me'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you might not LIKE that other race, and you might even talk smack about that other race... but unless you believe you have a right (devine or otherwise) to RULE that race, you not a racist... and that's how I feel the word "racist" has been WAY over used.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'divine**'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't like non-foreign-looking people who don't know how to behave in someone else's home'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "desire to rule other races" is not the definition of "racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vonliege, you don't get to make up your own definitions of words and then claim that others misuse them'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but it IS a important PART of the definition'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to improve one's own race, that is (good) racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. I suppose it was inevitable that "your own definition" would come up.... I'm jsut using what's in the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm, i get some additional grudge when the bad behaver looks and talks funny'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to excel at the Olympics, that is racism!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to breed superior offspring, that is racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The only definition I can find that involves that is "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which "the" definition are you referring to...racism does include believing yours to be superior, but that's not right to rule...most people today don't consider "ruling" at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please note that usually does not imply invariably, and certainly does not imply that that is the only definition of the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's the #1 definition from "dictionary.com":  "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. "'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, that is the one I just pasted'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dictionary.com is bigoted'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, "usually involving" is what it says...lrn2read before correcting others misuse ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will repeat myself -- please note that usually does not imply invariably, and certainly does not imply that that is the only definition of the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'world english dictionary -- "the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others "'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm tracking your point now.... havn't decided if I agree with it yet... but I'm tracking'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, definitions of words don't require you personally to agree with them ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you've just proved everyone else's point'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a slightly different tangen - I don't "like" the over use of the word racist.  "Racist" is so often used to confer a high sense of "victim status"... the word bigot just doesn't confer the same sense of "i'm a victim" as "bigot" does.  I get tired of people playing the victim. '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I messed that up'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there certainly are people who will go all 'you're racist!' when the fact is that they're fuckwits'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"playing the race card" is overused definitely'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'edit: "...sense of "i'm a victim" as "racist" does."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends had a student who was the only (race) student in a class accuse her of racism after he failed -- the reason he failed is that he never submitted the final paper and missed over half of the classes. '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's where I'm coming from, Majic...  '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and that's why a good class syllabus includes a breakdown of grade points'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that doesn't mean that there isn't legitimate racism still out there, it just means that some people jump on the bandwagon when they don't deserve to be there'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'abe, the breakdown was on the syllabus, and he was laughed out of the dean of students office'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this happened a long time ago: one black guy entered our music school once. we looked at him curiously because none of us had seen one before. so he started yelling and cursing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so sensitive..'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the students who fail also tend to be sufficiently innumerate that they don't understand that getting C's on 20% of the work and F's on the rest does not transfer to a passing grade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'especially since your friends means it's prolly a math course ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, that one was english, but yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in addition to pass/fail, we should get to take classes as mean, median or mode :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what got me started on this whole thread this morning was the comment by Rachel Jeantel during her testimony in the Zimmerman trial.  "Creepy-ass white cracker" was determined to be part of "black english" rather than a racial slur.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "african-american male" is racial profiling'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as if the two were mutually exclusive... if it's part of "black english", it CAN'T be a racial slur'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'the n-word is just part of southern contemporary vernacular...'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tell that to paula dean today'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT'S the kind of rhetoric that keeps me a "bigot"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a good english word opposite to "racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'non-racist? :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'accepting/tolerant?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no.. the ones who looove the other race'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'jungle fever?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although I don't like "tolerance" since to me it connotes more "put up with" than acceptance'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tolorence (a four leter word in my opinion)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'tolerance is in the middle'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to me, the use of the ord "tolerence" means that "I do not have a right to believe strongly about..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'off to buy some groceries (to include Crackers)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'What do you guys think are some of the barriers to mobile data services?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then right after that, cost, cost and cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, it's virtually imposible to get a smart phone without a $50 data plan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if you go from one wifi spot to the next'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'besides costs...what other barriers are there?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'also besides tech savviness'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while there are some locations that do not have adequate coverage in the US, Cost is pretty much the only limit... given enough $$, you have no barriers to data'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what area are we talking about here?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '$/data ratio is still absolutely absurd though.  You can blame that on margins.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pay as you go" is cheap, then search for inexpensive wifi locations'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'preferably asia, but other countries is fine as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tymas nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what carrier do you have that lets you 'pay as you go'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'there are several prepaid plans offering that service'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'sure some postpaid as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I searched high and low... I couldn't find a carrier that would let you have a smartphone on 'pre-pay', OR 'pay as you go''
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I even considered buying an iPhone outright, but none of the carriers would activate or service it without a two-year, $50/month data plan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'go look at tmobile, i want to say they are no contracts right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to use te wifi connection on a self-paid smartphone, do you even require a phone account'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are goning to data-surf at an inexpensive wifi location, you are not using the phone service '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "pay as you go" option ($100 per year) in Canada is merely to dump the home phone (when the only phone calls are telemarketers, wrong numbers, the rare emergency)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paying for home-broadband (with voip), TV-cable (if not using the broadband for news), and a portable wifi smartphone, is going to add up to a serious waste of cash for the nonbusiness user'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big defect with the internet-connection smartphone options, is that every few years the smartphones and software become obsolete, so that hardware expense may be a large percentage to the monthly plan expenses (even if the hardware is part of the plan - steep monthly fees, locked in contracts)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'newer software requires newer hardware, so unless you are a business user, or a serious addict, how do you justify the extra costs'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, i am looking at  smartphones, tablets, ultrabooks, laptops, gaming desktop - waste of serious money to get more than two of those gizmos'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, three men invaded a Texas family's home at the weekend'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demanding money, two died, the other escaped with his life'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrast with the home invasion in NYC where a black guy beat a white women to a pulp for 15 minutes in front of her 3yr old son'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference? No guns in NYC'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'more anecdotes please!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have the news link if you like: http://www.click2houston.com/news/man-fatally-shoots-2-intruders-after-home-invasion-in-north-houston/-/1735978/20780926/-/11s90bez/-/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FksW03PA96s'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully there'll be riots when Trayvon Martin is acquitted, we need a cull.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deaths due to murders committed with guns is less than 1/6th the number of deaths due to prescription medication overdose, or at least those are the figures for 2010'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when are we going to ban prescription meds?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'how many lives are saved by perscription drugs?  how many by guns?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of those have been calculated, but they are both positive numbers'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but backs up the point nicely, you WOULDNT ban prescription medicine even with those figures because of the positive things it provides, likewise there is no real justification for banning guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(no legal justification either)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'our society likes taking away personal responsibility and placing the onus on inanimate objects, then ban or control those objects, because, you know, we can't be responsible'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, fucked up, crazy, and utterly bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I can't really argue with you because you said "hopefully there'll be riots when Trayvon Martin is acquitted, we need a cull...."  kind of makes me question why you want guns to be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want them to be legal because they shouldn't be illegal'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should be there to ensure people's rights, not erode them'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a Drudge Report article about a guy asking $30 million to do a head transplant...'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hope he doesn't come up short'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad scientists always existed, they just mostly work for Montsanto now'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only hangup we have for such a procedure is that the central nerve cells don't regenerate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's basically bollocks, is what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Drudge report is bollocks ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about THAT guy doing one, yeah.  About human medical science doing one?  It's just a matter of time, technologically speaking, and not a long wait at that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hold your breath'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, no, there's a decent amount of research into figuring out and then dealing with why the central nervous system doesn't regenerate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll probably put the kibosh on such a thing due to ethical reasons, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there any threat of law being enforced in the USA yet, or are the adminstration being given a pass for all the shit they've been pulling?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically, even having a federal department of education is illegal'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where did the 30m figure come from - crass greed'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'send the guy to Africa, theu'll gladly transplant his head for far less, and maybe shrink the head as part of the service'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Africa gave us Obama, can't we send him back?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'white powah!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll exchange him for Archbishop Desmond Tutu'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'lol Usa will go down then'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go down where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'down the sewer pipes.. desmond tutu is not all there in his mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently the replacements for Barack Obama do not seem either competent or qualified -- a situation which may become serious as 2016 approaches'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are your replacements?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the losers of the 2012 primaries'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well go vote for Jessie Ventura instead then'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jessie who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''the BOD''
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well you're screwed whoever you get, since the machine excludes libertarian candidates from gaining office'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'former wrestler, former governor of minnesota'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND former Arena Football Announcer'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND Actor... all at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at a stretch, Rand Paul might go for the GOP choice, but he has no chance of winning against the neocon machinery'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto you won't get any sensible candidate from the democrips'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't even think of a vaguely libertarian democrat, they're all shit for as far as i know'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last name, rhyming with the name of a song featuring a highway, is neither a believable not adequate qualifification'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nor'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who, zade, ventura?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's better qualified than Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm with the herd here... no viable candidates on either side... I'm hoping for a dark horse from somehwere'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ventura was pretty much a non-governor in MN... he had some smart people that ran the place while he announced arena football... he didn't really make any bad messes either'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Ventura" as a name sounds too slick, reminiscent of an italian con-artist from some bad movie, and or a contrived stage-name'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now compare to Hilary, who was castigated for dodgy providing a fraudulent brief during the watergate scandal, who tried and failed to cover up her departments fuckups that led to the murder of the US ambassador to libya by lying'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ventura is a stage name, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a neocon at heart, but I understand the neccesity of a 'moderate' candidate.  But not so moderate that the libs and cons just spend four years stroking each other.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '-g 25'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you believe people should have freedom with regards to property, but not with regard to actions'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you were looking for the "h" key'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actors are usually bad politicians: Ronald Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RR was fine til the bastards got to him'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also the source of one of the best quotes ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'saying that RR sucked is like saying that ford is better than chevy, or that mcdonalds is better than wendys... I liked RR.  He whooped the ruskies'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't bad, either: "Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but ford is better than chevy.. lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both shit, was the point'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'OK, is the World War Z movie supposed to be zombies, or the letter Z as in apocalyptic extinction event classification?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont want a debate though. I jsut wanted thoughts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Just curious what the rest of the world thinks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this channel isn't solely used for debating its used for subjects that can be talked about near endlessly or are political'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The title is misleading.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'But understood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but looks like most of the others that frequent this channel aren't hear atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'here*'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I agree with you Ichorid that everybody spy everyone, but we are so phoney about it, if it was crystal clear, there would be no Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Well, now that I am here. Governments always have spied, they always will. No one gives a shit that you are upset about it and there is nothing you can or will ever do to change it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'and to the nations upset about the US keeping tabs on their import export etc, you have the same info of ours. Information always has been and always will be the most important resource and no responsible nation will ever give that up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'However commaa, spying is shitty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'US always said they would never spy on US citizen in the public debate, yet again covertly they do, just say it publicly and be done with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'there would be no Snowden, no Manning, no Assange'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The problem is that the modern citizen does not want to give up the things needed for modern society imo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'You want trains and computers and internet and malls, you have to give some things up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well we give up more money :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Anywho, I am glad this matter is settled.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'settled how ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I feel better after shouting. I consider it settled. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I will say this though, spying is quite rude and it bothers me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'rofl :) I see, to me it's not settled, I'd like him to find asylum somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'His life is ruined. He is already sitting in his own mess in that airport. Russia told him to gtfo. Not even cuba will accept him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Who will accept a man known for treason backed by WikiLeaks, an organization known for leaking everything?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He played his hand poorly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He is 27 or something and he played it like a 27 year old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I understand US will to put him in prison since he broke laws, but on the other hand he did the right thing, so I think it is fundamently wrong to prevent him going anywhere, but I guess some people high in Obama government want to prove a point at all cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Is the right thing though? Look what it did to the state of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'What do you think should happen to him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Right when we were about to go to the table on a new free trade agreement.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'this is a phoney debate, publicly european nations are pissed to look right in front of their people, but in private, they don't give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are missing the point. By concentrating on what he did wrong they can divert attention away from what he published. Similar to arguing about the quality of a handgun used in a murder rather than concentrating on the murder itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'because as you said, they also spy on US so they don't care'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He published white noise. Nothing of note.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'NSA taps phones. FBI logs every ship in and out of foreign ports.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you are missing the point. The NSA wasn't spying on Russia, they were spying on the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'this will have no effect on the trade agreement at all, might just slightly delay it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Delay = money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Huge... amounts... of money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Not just that, look what it did to the sheeple in america. Everyone is losing the god damned minds over this,'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'money not spent if you ask me... it's not like a trade agreement will change the commercial balance deficit of US'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'For fifteen minutes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I see that from the response to what I said, you don't feel too disturbed about blatant government spying on taxpayers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Oh trust me, I dont like it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'To me though, it jsut seems necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'What bothers me more is no one said shit when Bush sign in the Patriot Act'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think it's necessary? I guess you also would agree that the COINTELPRO program run by Hoover was necessary also.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Here is what I think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I think large things work much differently than big things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I mean small things work differently than large things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you don't mind living in a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I hate it. I come from Texas. That is about as police as it gets in the States.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'A cop on every corner.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It is grey, very grey.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'democracy is a great thing, isn't it? Just because it looks  just like what dictatorship would look like it doesn't mean it's bad :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Look dude, Im a friggin hippy. I hate 'the man' as much as every one else. I think I am just more ready to accept that some things will always be than others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I hate weapons of war. I hate missiles and bombs. It would be irresponsible for my government to not have them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'too much surveillance is bad, there need to be a balance... for example Russia, in theory a complete democracy, in practice a complete dictatorship due to being a police state with KGB in full control, US is not that much far back, if it keeps going'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, you give an appearance of wanting the freedom afforded by a democracy, but don't mind living in a police state. I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'on the other hand, I agree that you need surveillance, but balance is everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'What was too much about what he leaked?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He leaked things that everyone already knew.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'God knows what is -actually- going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He was some 'fringe' 27 year old. He didnt know anything worth knowing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Again, you concentrate on the individual rather than his information. You act as if the NSA domestic spying is ok because the information was outed by a 27yo'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he leaked things that a certain class of people knew, far from everyone, my mother, my brother, my father wouldn't expect government spying every phone call, email, skype conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now everyone knows :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont know many people that didnt know the government was spying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The only people I know like that also go to church and give them 10% of their money every week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sure spying in foreign countries, spying on terrorists, but spying your grand mother ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'spying your children ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'They were not reading your emails.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But that is because they don't pay attention, this same exact information was in the news ten years ago with the same amount of aghast furor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can speculate about government spying, but you can't accuse them of doing so unless there is evidence. Evidence that is being discredited, not because it's not valid, but because it was exposed by a 27yo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'that I agree with you Arnica we have a short attention span, too short...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'There was evidence. The Patriot Act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Whatever the hell the name of the bill is that I am too lazy to look up that gives them the power to do this that is signed every year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This information was already public.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Idk... I mean, I am mad jsut like every one else, I just wish they would get a little more realistic about the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, if Obama would have said publicly that the NSA was doing domestic spying, everyone would have gone ape shit. But since an individual exposed the agency, then everyone attacks him, not because he is lying, but because he is  a whistle blower. We all know that a whistle blower is the lowest life form. We rather be spied  on than have to listen to some whistle blower tell us how the government is sticking a broom up our arses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I see your point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Once again, I guess I am just more upset with the average citizien for not being aware enough to already know this was going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can you point to anything the government is saying about the actual spying? Has Obama said that he has ordered the NSA to stop? No, nothing like that is going to happen. By the time they get through with this guy, that is all people will remember about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I don't want him go back to the US as a hero because he ain't one, he broke laws, but I don't want him to go to prison either because to me he did the right thing, I'd like to see him go to elsewhere, not get stuck forever in an airport, he will never see his family and his wife again anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Some things imo are bigger than a man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he doesn't have to be either a hero or a goat, he is not important. The important thing is the information he gave us. Concentrate on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Do you know he has a family like that? I have noit seen that in the news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'His life is meaningless when weighed against the gears of the worl'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I just want him to go to trial and be done with it. I agree, he is just a cry baby 27 year old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'He is an expensive mess, his trial will cost millions and his upkeep for the rest of his unproductive life will probably be a hundred million.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who cares whether he has a family or not?  Let's go back to my point about the gun. Everyone is oohing and ahhing about the gun and ignoring the dead person. They concentrate on the weapon's to divert the attetion away from the corpse. Same thing with this thing. They concentrate on the exposing individual, rather on what was exposed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I want to know who paid him to make Obama look bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Listen man, heroes die. This is not the movies. One mans happiness weighed against the world running smoothy is a no brainer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He knew what he was getting in to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He signed the contract.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'In the big boy world there are big boy consiquesnces that your mom cannot get you out of.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who gives a shit about what he was getting into? Still don't get it. Forget about the guy. Concentrate on the fact that the NSA is doing domestic spying and getting away with it. That is what matters.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I am concentrating on that. I have been since bush was in office.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Every one I know has been concentrating on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well I hope Ichorid that you wouldn't mind that US policy will drift toward Russia policy later on ? Obey laws at all cost, or go to prison forever'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You don't get it, they have been doing that since the origin of the internet, and every informed geek knew it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Again man, I think spying is rude. I dont like it. But this is the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This is oldnews.com'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'spying with a goal is fine Ichorid, but blindly spying on US citizen ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't get it. It is one thing to say that they have been doing it since the universe was rising from the primordial soup, it's another thing to say "I have proof"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Do you really think they comb your emails nightly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Do you think you are that important?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Only Americans think they are important enough for the government to give two shits about them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Ichorid. Now I understand why this society is going down the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I may be idealistic a bit about it, but government is elected, and you have the government you deserve... but you can always change that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'govt is made of americans just like you'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no its not, its made of americans with political donors'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'some even think that the Internet is made of pipes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This society is going downhill because everyone is too fucking lazy to get up early in the morning and go to work. They watch so much TV they think they are special like the people on TV.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US is the last country in the world, literally, to ever complain about government abuse of rights. They believe that the shit doesn't stink in the US. So when someone comes along and says "See, the US government treats you just like dictatorships treat their citizens" it is a big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'and they vote laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ichorid if the rich don't work in the morning, why should the poor'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Not because people like me are sobor about the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that gives a lie to the claim by the government that it is a democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude probes Ichorid. You feel disgusted, yet slightly aroused.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos it is a democracy, people have guns. if it wasnt a democracy someone wouldnt get to keep guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Because that is the way nature works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'There are worker bees and there are queens.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ichorid you fancy yourself a queen?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'We forget that we are animals in the animal kingdom, only our jungles happen to be made of concrete and steel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'very profound and beside the point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I think it is quite to it...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that even after another proof of the government moving apace toward a police state, the people run to the drugstores to buy petroleum jelly so that when the government sticks the broom up their asses they can grease it up and make it go in deeper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos does that really work? i havent had your experience'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's theoretically workable :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note, however, that petroleum jelly is rather unstable at high temperatures, so you will have to ask the government to stick the broom rather slowly :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'All I know... is that when Obama reads the logs from tonight on Aardwold, he will know I am cool and to leawve me alone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the NSA processes these logs you are as will be in a sling. You have engaged in sedition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'according to the PATRIOT act, speaking against the US government is cause enough to brand one an enemy combatant :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Psh, the only hot water I will be in will be my Facebook poste I made about Michelles ass. Shits dank.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Hands down hottest first lady next to young hillary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I want to buy that woman a bottle of wine. Mhm...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hillary needs a nose job :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Hillary is old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Old people get old looking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'She did her time. Ill give her a pass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now you are in deep trouble Ichorid, Obama will catch you :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Ichorid what do you think about Russia political system ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nan, what's a good 64-bit implementation of 2048-bit encryption w. blockmode cipher on linux?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Michelle is alright looking, but frankly, the US first ladies have never been known for their ravishing beauty :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid before you answer, remember that Dagestan is still part of Russia'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont know enough about russian politics to have an opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Barbara Bush, bless her soul, will stand second behind Eleanor Roosevelt :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude knows the difference between Zviadism and Dherjava.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude can't tell you anything about Putin or Zhirinovsky though... let alone Skokov.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I know Putin is an ass hole, but a classy ass hole who does old school business. Old school business is dirty, but it gets things done.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well to make a long story short, what would you think at having Obama for two terms, then Joe Biden for a single term, then Obama again for two, forever ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid and look at his nice rolex'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you can always trust a former spy with a nice watch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'amazing :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It -is- a nice watch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you admire the man for being a "classy" asshole. Wow'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'look at Assaunge, or Snowden. they're trustable and they have awesome watches'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Assange? how the heck do you spell that guys name anyhow'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Did I say I admire him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid btw are you the guy that eats counters and gets +x/+o ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I want to get it. : \'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he's asking if you took your name from a card game, called Magic The Gathering'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Oh hell yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah. the internet says ichorid is the 3/1 horror that comes back'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Card is SO good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'I was thinking of a different card :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'specifically this one http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=35923 '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you're not even as cool as a nettling imp.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Well... so tech.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'All the MTG villan names were taken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude is a dci promo version of a card.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude waits for the first person to figure it out.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude faints as Ichorid sneaks up to him and shouts "Boogy Woogy OOY!!"
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'That was supposed to be a Boo-this-man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid what formats do ya play?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I started the game in Tempest block playing what was then called Type 1.5 now legacy. Quit the game after onslought block because the game was going poorly. Came back and played standard for Lor block and loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'But Went for that block to Yughiou because there was just too much money in Yughi.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'And Dark Armed Dragon is such a good card it just demands that you play Yughi.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Instead of wet dreams I have dreams where I summon 'DAD' for free, destroy their back row and kill their front row ramming for the win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It just feels so damn good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hmmn. Yugioh has drake sac '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: '...and gadgets. O_O'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'And Monarchs, the most stable deck ever build in any game ever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Yughi turned into such a good friggin game.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone ever been in a store that tacked on a "proccessing fee?"  I've been in a restaraunt that auto-charged a gratuity, and I've seen "restocking' fees...  but a fee to get something off the shelf for you? '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'convenience fee'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next, they'll be charging you for the climate control in the store'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'i mean all things considered that goes into the product price right? so we payin for it anyways'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we already pay for those things. They usually don't show them separately though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some establishments even charge you a fee based on how you make your purchase.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and a few dollars for the printed invoice'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's almost as bad as the "as seen on TV" stuff where the item costs $19.99, but the shipping and HANDLING is $420.00'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'example ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can understand rolling the prive of overhead into the cost of your merchandise... that's called "making a living"... but to show a price on the shelf, then double it at the cash register where some people won't even notice it (at the time of purchase) is just crooked, somehow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'processing fee is more than likely the transaction charge for using CC'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'did you pay by CC?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BTW... I was REALLY over dramatizing the $420.00 handling fee.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... CC.  But even so, that's generally in the 2 to 2.5% range'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well what was the transaction totals. i dont know the numbers so your not making this easy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was being somewhat rhetorical, anyway... wasn't really looking for an answer or a solution... just struck me as peculiar, is all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"smallenfreuden" is resulting in "hurtenvendor" (with the Visa adverts)_'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well your answer will be credit card related i guarentee it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't like it when they add the gratuity. That's something you pay when you liked what you got.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they are saying that you are cheap, and won't voluntarily pay a gratuity even if you liked the service (or maybe they know the service was bad)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'usually auto-charge of gratuity is on large tables'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in my specific case, I was in a local electronics store... the price of the item (a small-ish BT ipod speaker) cost $59.99 as marked on the box and shelf...  there were tickets that you took to the counter to have a clerk get the item from the stock room.  The final price was $84.56.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's that famous history museum in NYC?  They have a menu of prices for admission similar to theme parks but in actuality they're on a donation model and you can get in for a quarter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and what's the reason for auto-added gratuity for groups of say five and larger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'because larger groups are both more work and more likely to stiff the server'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm, more work than two smaller groups with same total number of individuals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some restaurants no longer allow tipping, building the gratuity into the bill for everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'yep, because you're keeping track of more people's orders'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'frankly hans, I'd rather have it that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9.5% of that (roughly $6) was sales tac... that left the $18.xx proccessing fee'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few restaurants are getting rid of gratuity and tipping entirely, with tips going to the establishment in the form of donations.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'processing fee is supposed to be illegal unless specified in advance (unless in a crook country)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'incidentally, that same item was also available at the big-box store for the same price....  My guess is that the local shop advertised the same price, then charged the proccessing fee to actually make some money on the item...  I didn't get the item, but only because I bothered to look at the reciept.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false advertising'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you're against mom and pops?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the clerk (not-a-rocket-surgeon) did the refund, I didn't get refunded the $18.xx....  took a manager to straighten it out.  I really don't think they'll be in business for too long.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'well, I would be against being lied to a lot more than I would be against mom and pops'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hidden processing fee was fraud'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ironically, Hans, I am all for the mom and pop... I actually went 12 years without darkening the door of a walmart... I'll still bay a bit more for the mom and pop... but I really felt USED in this case.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe.  I bet more gets taken from double-swipes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I don't really think 'well the big boxes are unethical' justifies unethical behaviour on the part of small stores'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hey.. in the old days of the corner grocery, a clerk with a fast thumb was priceless to the shop owner!  =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'frankly, if I saw something like that and didn't notice it until I saw the receipt, I would never darken the door of that shop again, and I would make sure all my friends knew as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tenar - yes... it's unlikely that that shop will last long... small-ish town'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I DON'T grumble about is the extra baggage fees and meal costs on airlines........'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'those I can find online, so I plan it into the cost of my budget'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I flew to a 5-day conference last fall with everything in my backpack :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'airlines have always been a low margin enterprise... many of them barely skipping along, and plenty failing... if the bags and meals wern't extra, they'd just be rolled into the cost of EVERYONES tickets... at least this way, I can CHOOSE not to pay for the crappy inflight meal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can get on the plane first if you have no luggage that can't fit under your seat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'right, I'm just fine with choosing not to pay for a crappy meal. I had cheese and crackers in my luggage'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My family just got back from a plane trip... we came through the Atlanta APT, and ended up at the wrong gate for our connection.. it was about a 80 minute layover, so I noted the error with plenty of time to spare... what ELSE I noted was that the Airtran and Southwest depature gates (we were flying delta) were all utter CHAOS!...  Delta cost a bit more, but they really know how to handle the cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're all about the same once you get in the air, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except for LIAT, which is short for Languishing In Airport Terminals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I flew delta recently because they were the only one who flew into an airport I was going to -- one of the things I noticed was the cell phone/computer charging stations all over the place in their lounges'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had to google LIAT...  Carribean, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Virgin CEO managed to get his hands on a LIAT complaint letter, the flight had 6 layovers (complete with missing out the last ferry of the day to his destination in Tortola), apparently the food was worse than normal, and they lost the guy's bag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of Richard Branson... has anyone else noticed how often he's seen on TV with, or in proximity to Hillary?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton or Duff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Billary'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't say I noticed, but then again it wouldn't surprised me.  He strikes me as ultra-liberal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... maybe its not all THAT often.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'looks like morsi is being taken down right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mubarak Mark II.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a bad deal from the begining... "We" wanted a democratically elected leader - we pledged $$$... then the idiot mob elects a hard line muslim.... go figure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say "hard line muslim", I am not judging.. only infering that he's not US friendly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ironically, It's the egyptian MILITARY that seems to be the most stable entity in that country... they grab control in the midst of chaos, and hand over power to a democratically elected leader... the mob riots so the Military takes control AGAIN to get rid of the democratically elected leader.... I wonder if they will give power back to the NEXT democratically elected leader?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they should just hang on to power for a little while.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah..... sat TV is down because of rain... can't watch the news'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have that sucker super-tuned, too... with a completley unobstructed view of the satallite'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except for the rain and clouds, of course'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'http://www.facebook.com/renaissancebelote'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the Texas senator who was threatened with rape regarding that abortion bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'devout religious folk are threatening rape ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'wouldnt be the first time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'remember that guy in the bible who raped that chick and then had his foreskin cut off so he could marry her and was murdered in his sleep'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since it came up on Fox, I assumed it was the religious one being threatened'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'okay, while I definitely agree that comments like 'I hope you get raped' are completely uncouth and beyond the pale, I wouldn't really class that as 'threatened with rape''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic what about, "I hope you come drink at my local bar, and then get raped"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i think that would make it more magnified as a threat than your statement begins to'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was that said?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic not that i know of, i dont really care about texas, i think we could just give it back to mexico'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because the sources I saw first just said they were comments like 'I hope you get raped' and 'I hope your kid gets raped''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and we should give california to the pacific.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and while I agree that that's a fucking repulsive thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still don't think it's 'threatening them with rape''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, free speech and such .'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if you wanna be a lawmaker, gotta get used to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... I have no idea what you're trying to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'per presidential guidelines, it constitutes a valid threat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans well, are we talking forcibly raped, statutorily raped, rapied while under the influence of alcohol/narcotics, or raped when he's old and senile and unable to consent?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the SS isn't going to just laugh and ignore when someone says "I hope you die, Mr. President!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'context matter when it comes to statements like that. you must focus on that to derive the intent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I don't think that wishing harm on someone should qualify as a threat (regardless as to whether it legally does)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if its the old and senile version, s.s. protection may be lapsed by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the uncouth was obviously attempting to spread terrorism with that statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'like threatening to beat up a police officer the day after he retired'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic like wishing that osama bin laden die in a gun battle, for example, lots of people wished that, but most didnt go buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'threats have to hold more in weight than just a verbal communication.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in MO, or maybe on the Federal level, rape is on the block to get a definition change.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those threatening words were an attempt to cause discomfort even terror in the target'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inciting a lynch mob mentality is perhaps an attempt to incite terror(ism)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's going to include the use of drugs/alcohol or any situation that removes the capacity of the victim to say no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans unless they consented first'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but hans, funny question, what if both participants are drunk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, even if they say yes while drunk or blackmailed or whatever, it'll still count as rape.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, no , say yes before they drink'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so what if both of them were drunk and both of them claimed that they meant to say no and would have if they were sober, did they rape each other? :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i.e. we're going to go to dinner, have drinks, come home, have sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans i disagree, i think it's a legitimate defense to the charge if they can show that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'seriously, are both of them going to be charged? :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fact that the submissive party was unable to say no invalidates the previous yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic no, only the man would be charged, unless they're both men'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, only the man Maj. Happened to my brother, though the charges were dropped.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans which party is the submissive party?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'one on bottom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is that code for vagina, or are you saying something more complex?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one doing the catching, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'submissive party seems pretty open to interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I mean, I personally know a guy who passed out and woke up to a girl riding him. :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic well, laws open to interpretation are the best kind :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'been there a few times myself majic :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic awe, i wanna try that... or was she fat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly, I do think that case was rape and would have been charged as such if the genders were reversed -- she had been trying to get in his pants for two years :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic rofl, i wonder if it was worth the wait'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this law change would remove gender-related issues like that.  Sure, what guy would say no to that sort of thing...but the fact he didn't say no doesn't mean it's okay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, so for example, if a girl rapes a guy with the new law and some alcohol, and a child comes of the union, is he responsible for its welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Heh, Hans, see, the problem is sexist reasoning like that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"Guys always want it!" is exactly why men get raped and get laughed at when they report it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cuth not if she's fat'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think a guy who says yes while under the influence is a hell of a lot more likely to say 'fuck, I shouldn't have drunk that much''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and not report it because he's thinking he's just going to run into the 'haha guys always want it' reaction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic i prefer that 'nobody touches me with impunity ' approach ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look at that guy a few months ago in Toronto. 4 women got him drunk, loaded him into their car, drove him to a parking lot and raped him. General reaction? "Lol, he was just mad that they were fat!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'even if the sex was good while being raped by a non fat chick while drunk, i'd not leave it at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the new law just widens the reach of the law to include activities that made that kind of sex not-rape.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans does it include heavy petting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your putting to much emphasis on verbal communication and not giving any attention to the act of drinking itself, what that means, what pre-conditions are normally associated with it, and what actions tend to evolve from it.  Your telling me these 2 had no idea and just learned during the drinking itself that things start happening?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid i already mentioned that before. scroll up'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude will brb, is finding sake.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think heavy petting that didn't lead to penetration (of any kind) would still be classified as harassment or assault, rather than rape.  You could still cop a feel on the drunk chick, but you can't fingerbang her.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude finds drinking alcohol during a conversation about alcohol and rape is appropriate.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'getting all tentalising their eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans what about a girl grabbing my ass while i'm inebriated and telling me if it's tight to the touch then it'll be tight to hold onto while we're having sex?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that would be harassment, or rape? since i can't consent during the alcohol?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by getting drunk, you consented to being taken advantage of as a male (in that faux fantasy)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampirDude was that an ebonics hearsay version of the Old Testament that scripture came from -- seems unfamiliar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade oh, well, the chicks name was dinah wasnt it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude is idly wondering about that chick majic mentioned before and if she's single now.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trust me, she's not interested in you :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'one track mind eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'besides neopets, is there a good place online to get a stalker?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MUDs and MMOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans ok thanks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ill check out a list of muds and mmos when i vote next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Genesis chapter 34 -- the tribe of Sichem were wickedly murdered by the sons of Jacob   --> (Not in their sleep) <---'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade oh? k. i heard it was while they were sleeping in bed after getting ill from cutting'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tribe of Sichem got sicced on? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sons of Jacob were deceitful treacherous and abominable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade, well, their dad did lie to his own father to get a blessing too'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the entire cast of the christianity story were gods of war.  The bible's practically a manual on how to fight them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans is that why so many violent warlords like custer and hitler and stalin liked the church at times?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US, UK, and Israel have also garnered great success by learning its lessons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is trolling again (?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i am not grasping the point your trying to make with that one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade seems that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that just because you read something doesn't mean you're taking away the right message from it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans so are you saying the right message of the bible is that war is good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all versions of the same religion, and that all three are bloody, violent religions...yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Hans so, then the bible isnt about god?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'only 1 of the 3 is violent at the moment there boss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the message of the OT Bible is that the OT authors wrote fiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid uh, what about christians in russia , hungary, and spain, being uncivil to muslims and jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'probably a reaction to onslaught of the 3rd there vampire.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who initiated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '100:1 ration is pretty clear where the turmoil is being driven from.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid some potentially muslim guys who dont seem to be practicing and disliked russian rule'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'they've had a lot of ethnic conflicts :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'still do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is what happens when you try to secularize.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans stalin woulda just cleansed anybody that didnt toe the line i betchya'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid well, i dont think they mind secularization, i think they mind secularization where they're made into a minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what do you think secularization is?  you remove the majority opinion in a PC way to promote the minority who yells and screams and causes problems.  You can't blame the majority for a backlash on that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that whole self determination and self rule thing... maybe franz boas was right'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's been known to put people to death because they put three sugar cubes in his tea instead of 2.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans well, 3 would be a bit too indulgent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, but with Stalin it was less about Him and more about Me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hmmn. hans, should i install zfs for my root fs? or is it debatable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'uncivil and death are 2 different levels.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's debateable, but nt or xi would be a good choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid nah, its more of a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, its not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid sure it is. like say there's a rally of skinheads that happen to dislike muslims with traditional headgear'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'uncivil can also be stated as verbal disagreement. the other isnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'now you say skinheads, originally you said christians.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'first guy calls em a name involving the headgear, second guy insults their mom, third guy throws an empty bottle of gatorade at them and it hits one'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Men display large water wave boo boo connections.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and what does that have to do with religion? nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid so now you're retreating from your claim that it's not a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'guess i win that point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i never said it was there boss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'think you are having some reading comprehension issues'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fools who follow the fool"  (loosely paraphrased from Nawibo the legendary warrior in Imperial Nation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, now you're making ad hominem attacks. you suck at debating'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'truth is truth, how you accept it is your own issue.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude thinks Acidblast is cooler than Acidangel.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'trying to tell me i made a wrong statement when i never made the statement to begin with is then what?  bout as crappy as your argument of christians persecuting muslims'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acid I said they were being uncivil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you lacked the reading comprehension to know what uncivil meant, so you said persecuted'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and that compares to muslims killing christians how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you lack the understanding that the 2 are not equal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i can play that game too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's hard to LVL and follow this thread at the same time... My side goes to war = war is good... their side starts war with my side = war is bad.... that's the way it's always been... Oh... and the winner writes the hitory'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, do you agree that christians have at times been uncivil to muslims, a precedant exists?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that the cult of satan is getting facetime in the media?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i have already stated all of them have, but 2 of the 3 are not at this moment in time, its the 3rd.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, the media has already sold their souls, so dilligaf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can make any excuse you want, but we live in the hear and now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, what about the 5 minutes from now:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or the 5 minutes ago?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'then we can discuss it in the future'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, ok :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but until that happens, don't make excuses from something that happened 100+ years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'let's discuss it 5 minutes from now. the events of 10 minutes ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude will put you on the calendar.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your improving my point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'tell me the last main time the roles were reversed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, no, you're spazzing out into la-la land'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'if you can't answer the question, then you have no solid argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and your trolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, i didnt make an argument, i asked you if a precedant existed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and you started name calling. i called you on it. and you just did it again'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tell you what, come back when you're not a t0 level 1 alt and we 'll talk. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you lost the argument when we start referring to levels as an indicator of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grammar nazi next?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel likely requires further ESL lessons'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'my question was still never answered.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel was obscure - not date, no region, no background'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zade, if you were reading, i think i was quite clear in what i asked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'internet attention span, AA.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its very apparent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there is a suspicion that Acidangel was confabulating the alleged scenario or fiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that you're gonna have to pull up a chair and wait a while if you want someone else to delve into history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'calling somebody "boss" is an ad hominen (if they are not an actual boss)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the Muslim Brotherhood are about to have their arses handed to them'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't appear terribly supportive of your president over there: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/07/03/coup-underway-in-egypt-n1633418'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not too supportive of our president either, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of you are'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if I've ever seen someone on this Mud come down in support of Obama... liberal issues, yes... but not obama'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you haven't been here that long then.  This mud use to swing from his nuts it was so pathetic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing you guys need to do is get the courts to define legally the term "national emergency"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is a race trophy (or slur).'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know you've been in a state of national emergency since 1950?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that must save on income taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was elected president primarily because he was black and seen as championing black issues.  At the time, nobody thought he'd betray the cause.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... there's too many folks getting free chickens now... well past the tipping point of recovery.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, would you rather a short asian girl with green eyes be president?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that's not true hans.  i knew the man was full of shit way back when him and hilary was still in the primary'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'can we debate anything?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'we can debate the value of zfs as a security measure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, miyax, what do you want to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, anything is too ambiguous to debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'peg the dollar back to gold'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to say that I am solidly AGAINST "anything"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't do that right now, angel'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would collapse the value of the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'angle - that would be like decapitation as a form of removing a brain tumor'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be exciting, though!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you guys are crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von that sounds effective, like circumcision to prevent promiscuity in women'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what you think has been going on the past 6 years? deleveraging like hell because there is no stable currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'atleast peg it to silver than.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've got quite a few dried beans in the basement... I'd give a 'crashed economy' a go.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or to the wheat ear'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, but if you peg it to anything physical you are dependent on your current stock of that thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's peg it to MEXICANS!  no... wait... that's racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'peg it to pirate legs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oooh Pirate Leges!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that creates stabalization and can quanitify numbers.  you can't quantify when your dollar is being delevereaged every moment from the printing press.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whew... can I get a vowel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid it doesnt matter how much we print, it matters how much we release. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von itll cost you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'The money goes in the market, it is hitting books.  You might not see it directly but its there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VP... wern't you just berating AA for bad debate skills?  I too "print" to infer release given the context'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the first thing you need to do is reign in the banks, and by that, you need to make sure that the only person who can create money is the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von , no, i was berating aa for using ad hominems'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you must get control of your debts and return to balance'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bad VP... BAAAAD!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Banks don't create money.. the fed does.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only then can you possibly peg it to a commodity'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, that worked badly for antonescu in romania'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, acidangel, banks create money, every time they make a loan, they create money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative. that money is money borrowed from the fed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed is owned by the banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, the fed is its own private bank '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is leveraged from deposits'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed is not it's own private bank, it has shareholders that are the big banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so if everyone withdrew their money at once, would the loans have to be called?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vd'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wrong man. you got this so off the mark its not even close.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usagold.com/publications/federalreserve.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'You reading is the correct interpretation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a bank lends you $100,000, they only require $3000-$10000 in actual capital, the rest of the money is created instantly out of thin air'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger so then, why can't I borrow 100,000 with 3000 on deposit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'can i start a bank?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'But the money is through the fed, not the bank.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Fed = Mom, C,Bac,jpm and the rest are children mom sends to the store for x,y,z'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'big banks don't controll the fed nor do they set prime or monetary policy.  they are part of the board or collective pull to gather intel on what policies are currently doing and how it is affecting, but they themselves do not control it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who runs the fed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'are you looking for a single person directly, because i can give you a name but we both know they don't truely make 100% of the decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed does control the money supply, you are entirely right in that regard, but the amount that they loan out is dependant on the balance sheet of the bank. The economic crisis came about partly because of banks using complicated financial vehicles to vastly inflate their paper value'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the crash came because there was no liquitidy in the market, people were simply over-leveraged.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, then let me put it this way. If you look at the people who 'run' the fed, you will find that they with out exception will be people who have been, or go on to be, involved with the running of the other big investment banks who make up the fed's shareholders'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over-leveraging is the consequence, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we agree overall except on the point of whom.. you believe the big banks, i believe it is Congress/Pres/Fed chair, and the other CB's around the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the big banks are just a good whipping boy and poster child to blame but they do not have direct ability to make or change anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so to blame them would be blaming the messanger, not the creator of the message.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the tail that wags the dog, take RBS that nearly took down the entire banking sector 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they were over leveraged, that is not BAC or JPMs fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the fed should of said something, as all financial transactions go through them'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jp morgan being overleveraged isn't jp morgan's fault? ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'jp being over leveraged is jpm fault. yes.   but RBC being over leveraged is not jpm fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not directly, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is how your stating it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'if JPM runs the fed, then they are at fault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why i am saying, the big banks have no control there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a practice common to an entire industry causes massive schism in that industry, then that whole industry is collectively to blame for it's practices'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'greed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have common practice without having a practice in common'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're all greedy... even banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I would agree IF those same industries wrote the rules, but they didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i'm not greedy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bloodthirsty maybe. but not greedy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Who wrote the rules those banks followed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the point, the BAILOUT was the problem. by doing a bailout you told those banks that there was no penalty for failure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2008, banks that were insolvent should have been wound up by the government, whom should have been the creditor in order to protect depositors. Shareholders should have lost out'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not tax payers'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I never said i agreed with the bailout, that is not what we are discussing here.  For that matter, i was very against the bailout, i ws part of your origainl 'tea baggers''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger since the government prints the money and controls the fractional reserve anyways, what would be the point in their taking over a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"let them eat cake!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't be taking over a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would be administering it's winding up'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '2008 we started the printing press, since then we have been propping it all up and that is why we are stuck in the mud.  The bank should have failed, let shit hit the fan and things would of made a V shape recovery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, AA, and those investors would invest more wisely next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Exactly.  But to blame the banks is not right. Blame congress for writing rules that allowed banks to do what they did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame both parties'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"invest more wisely" using what defective information'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'That's okay. There should of been some due diligence on both fronts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes two to tango, the banks shouldn't have got themselves into that mess was their fault, not regulating them from guvmint's fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you have to think about things like red-lining and what not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ending of glass-stegall was a baddddd idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the removal of the up-tick rule was a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should do away with all these crazy etf's and repackagings'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sarbanes oxley too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '2008 - 2010 only american banks could be shorted, they ceased shorting on all EU banks, that is why ours got slapped around so damn hard.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting the finance sector to be honest as to the value of assets is the first step'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you can't do that unless you peg the dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, greater fool theory?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you do that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we are deleveraging the dollar by $85B/mnth currently at a minimum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'can't give correct asset values until that ceases.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid a de-leveraged dollar sounds nice, but if we keep it leveraged , it will cripple foreign markets, which could be good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree, nobody should be printing money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hell, JCB last month came out with the biggest deleverage ever. I want to say its close to 4T'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'vamp, not trying to sound assholish, but if the world hates america as the policeman, why should i care about that same countries economy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a ton of stuff you probably need to do, much that isn't finance related, before you can be prepared to peg the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, learn about imperialism. a weak economy is good for those trying to extricate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i know gov't structures and types of governance very well.  tell me whom is currently being helped?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid i didnt say helped, i said extricate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'as in ,take their goods, resources, wealth, away'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans was right about you needing some esl bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't me that said that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. my bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'maybe it was zade :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who takes whose goods away?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but anyhow, i agree with the esl solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vampiredude also requires esl lessons'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you pulled out of your foreign blow-brown-people-up-to-ferment-terrorism plan, you could quite easily balance the budget'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade maybe actually i've already got my tesol seminars, what i need are the hours assisting a pro'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Your not going to balance the budget until you get lazy people off their ass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'There are far more takers than givers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"extricate" is usually a "transitive" verb -- hence the esl suggestion'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade can you explain for me, a non-relative subjunctive clause?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even without the lazy people on the arse, wars cost a lot of money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop importing shit and build it locally'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Tigernuts wars also cost lives.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but thankfully we have a surplus of lives, and tax dollars'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel raises an eyebrow at 2/3 Flying VampireDude's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'imagine if china went to war, suddenly the M/F ratio would be better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'surplus? what nation are you referring too with that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acidangel america'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'LMAO, surplus of what? stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acid we have a surplus of enlisted personnel, our government can't downsize the military fast enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'We have a surplus of beurocrats, I would rather you start the cutting there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately you might need to put the unwashed masses and the excess military to work on capital projects'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while you're setting up your trade barriers and bringing the jobs home'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Won't happen, it is all part of m.a.e.d'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger nah, capital projects dont help anyone. the only good projects are ones that make new millionaires who can go hide away insecluded gated communities or on private islands'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'think we went of this last week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the project, vd, if it's shit that everyone needs, like fixing the roads, upgrading the rail, building new power systems'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all stuff you can privatise later if needed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'All of that got done already remember, that was all of that 800B stimulus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't built shit, the stimulus went to the coffers of banks and the rich elite'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'So how long you think until we hear we need another roads/bridges bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lmao.. fucking idiots that keep voting these people in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's something wrong with your bridges, they keep falling down'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampireDude, you seem to fail in the use of "extricate" as a transitive verb, as in "extricate what" (and maybe where, *to*, *from*) -- (also USAmericans are too uneducated to comprehend subjunctives)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone heard of Michael Badnarik?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard of Boris Badinov'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i like arthur laffer better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MB has done a very intersting class on the US constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Moose and Squirrel are more fun where laughter is concerned'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i prefer cpt peachfuz'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAu2-ycDOaN31dR1n5E6f6zS7cyM6rpil'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'some of these are hilarious..   http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/07/03/coup-underway-in-egypt-n1633418'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posted that earlier, angel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it amusing because the egyptians are on the sharp edge, THEY know that USA is supporting jihadi's'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll rephrase that, they know that the US administration is supporting jihadi's in YOUR NAME'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jihadi's (something, not mentioned and thus not understood)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't understand jihadi, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the illiteracy in this channel is appalling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this context it means a person of the Islamic faith willing to fight the infidel wherever they are for the purposes of setting up a global Islamic caliphate under Sharia'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a difference between a plural and a possessive'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of Egypt, the muslim brotherhood want an Islamic state under Sharia law. The same is true of the Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why is there an apostrophe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost snickers with Zade about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apostrophe is there to imitate Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the only thing you have to argue about is bad grammar, i guess i must be pretty accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can allow me the bad grammar, i'll allow you the bad spelling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'illiteracy is usually not accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only digital accuracy counts, not analog, since that is inferior'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God prefers analog'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No, he prefers analogue'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Analog is a full-bodied sound'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i wonder how you can be a national of the USA without being a citizen'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/citizenship/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a seriously fucked up page'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US doesn't give citizenship to people born in some territories'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to be a sovereign'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like when we owned philippines, people born there were nationals but not citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citizens don't have rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are a citizen, you are a subject of congress, as opposed to congress being subject to you'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you actually want to be is a citizen of a state'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nationals can't vote, so have nothing even remotely over congress'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a citizen of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'can you be a citizen of a state? i thought there was just "citizenship" for whole country?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are first and foremost a citizen of a state in the USA, they tack on the citizenship of the USA seperately'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mean different things'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'currently it's just people born in american samoa and swains island that are nationals'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guam, PR and USVI all grant citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'My Mom  was born on a military German base. So she is a US Citizen even though she talks like a parrot. This was before she met my New York Dad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is she stateless?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well my Dad is new york, I don't kknow if she met him before German base or not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'ahem birth I mean lol smh'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting, so the bill of rights cannot be repealed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on who you ask, and on what day'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it can'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the bill of rights isn't government spelling out priveledges, it's the people dictating to government what it's rights are'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the constitution (and by extension, it's amendments) are rather 'fluid' ATM'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just another part of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution isn't fluid, though it is ammendable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you say "amendable"... I say "fluid"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluid suggests that it's meaning changes, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell that to the supreme court'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's room for alot of opinion there'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have all the opinion they like, it doesn't change peoples' alenable rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'truely, ANY document can be bent to one's will and agenda... the constitution, the Bible, hell... even the instructions on a child car seat can be bent'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not to say it SHOULD be fluid... I'm just saying that the current administration is running very free and loose with ther interprutation of the Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's up to you to hold their feet to the fire'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's up to me - and one VERY small and minority voice - to hold their feet to the fire... pretty hard when over half the nation is drunk on free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult but not impossible'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eat mor chikin'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if half the nation is drunk on free chicken, half the nation isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the revolution was executed by less than 5% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the state-nature, you only need enact change in your state'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when it comes to 'fireing the musket', I reckon I'll grab mine'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'grab it while u can, it will be gone soon too along with the rest of our rihgts'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'draw your line'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if I grab it now, I'll be mowed down by HLS before I can blink'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all about timing... we're just not READY to grab the muskets yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no critical mass of musket-grabbers ready'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't afford to sit around waiting for the need to arise'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but you can wait for the right moment'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's not now'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of an actual fight, yes, but in the meantime you need to be applying pressure to the people in charge'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like in Turkey and in Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in Spain'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not neccessarily... oh sure, a little pressure is always neccessary... but a good solid shove, like a revolution, requires timing as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Portgual and Greece'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pressure before acts like advertising and a rally cry'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there will need to be a polarizing moment - real or manufactured - that kicks off REAL change (or return to previous conditions)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why this continued inflation of the finance bubble is going on. Until t hings get genuinely bad, the masses won't kick off'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, in the US today, there are too many people that are willing to standby... they have no motivation to step out swinging... they are content to stand a safe distance away and take pictures with their smart phones while a flellow gets his head chopped off in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10th ammendment precludes the "fluid document" theory'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually it'll happen to them, vl'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I  didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they sure as hell would have come for "I" earlier, if "I" had stepped up earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that clucking i hear?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know what you mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's saying don't be such a puss :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh... Ok... let me go get my gun, then... anyone know when obama gets back from mandela-land?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd be careful, I'm pretty sure the NSA listens to the debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I don't wanna be a 'wuss'.  I guess I need to shoot someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we all need hobbies'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... speaking of which... I have a pack of bin ladin targets from back when he was still breathing... the last target in the pack was an obama target...  packaging error?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ment to call the company, but I never got around to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'morsi has been toppled in a coup'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure anything will change, but we'll see'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're repealing the sharia stuff and looking for new elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool. elections.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'go democracy. go stability. go military.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just saying, everyone was optomistic during the first revolution, and it lead them down this path, I'm not sure that a second one will be any better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but maybe it will, it'd be awesome if it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the opposition simply weren't ready last time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different set of problems this time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, we'll see.  I mean , I hope it turns out better, but I'm not sure that many military coupes do'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, coups, but you know what i mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means to an end'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we'll see, I'm not sure that the Muslim Brotherhood and all there supporters will simply go away'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that was the 'different set of problems' i mentioned'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'title of nobility ammendment (13th ammendment) needs ratifying'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '16th ammendment was never properly ratified'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they tried, Menda. They couldn't stay awake so they quit :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'THW ban all city-bound cars with single passengers during peak hours'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'depending on where you live this may or may not be a concern'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought the Military Coup two years ago in Egypt went pretty well....  The military siezed power - had elections - and gave up power to the winner, even though the military didn't like him... the fact that that elected leader turned out so crappy is ancilliary to the coup itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a new t-shirt logo:  "All play and no work makes Jack ENTITLED"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics  , i really do not find this surprising...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "Independence Day" graphically suggests the destruction of the Capitol building by an alien attack -- some say currently there is an alien in the whitehouse -- prophecy or simply a mere coincidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'alians , no! Unicorns doing rituals in forests , yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Craig Ferguson voice: "did you see what i did there, with the 'simply a mere coincidence'" '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'explains joke "simply a mere coincidence" infers that Barack Obama is an alien (a Kenyan) '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obama's birth cerificate was fake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'knock off the fucking spamming'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current glitches in cars (abnormal acceleration, lagged gear changes) are likely the result of laws and agreements prohibiting "reverse engineering" of software and computer chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty random... do I understand that you are advocating that one company be allowed to 'borrow' another companies code?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the requirement for vehicle safety trumps the prohibition against reverse engineering in the search for locating defective code and defective chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... a valid point... perhaps that is something for the NTSB to work on - as a disinterested thrid party.  Otherwise, it's sort of like breaking into your neighbors house and drinking all his beer - siting that you might have dies of thirst if you hadn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the right to reverse engineering a (defective) component does not necessarily translate to the right to violate intellectual propery or copyright'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you KNOW if BMW dug into Toyta's chips, they'd rape the code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and vise versa'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I don't suppose you can trust the original owner/designer to objectivley evaluate the errors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a perfect job for big government'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pass laws that require manufacturers to publish the code in open source when any of their EULAs prohibit reverse engineering of the software'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw.. we have enough laws already.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have TOO MANY laws, infact'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a reader obtains book from an author, there is no EULA prohibiting reverse engineering of the words in the book, because the book is the open source'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless the book is digital - then you can't just pass it around willy-nilly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and even with a paper book, you can't re-publish it as your own work.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pass laws that invalidate any EULAs that prohibit reverse engineering'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... if someone designs something, his creation should be protect from reverse-engineering unless he CHOSES to make it open source'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, anything you publish may be reverse engineered -- if you want IP (Intellectual-Property) protection, use copyright'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am also considering that the majority of applictions for such 'reverse engineering' would be for frivilous law suits... dude is hanking down the road at 120MPH drunk off his arse... he smashed into a bus foll of children coming out of disney land, and someone want's to blame it on the chip that controled the dudes brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you put anything out there, open game to be analysed'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were a lot of typos in that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I sure wish I could get after the chip in this keyboard... that's the likely problem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"res ipsa loquitur" (the thing speaks for itself)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cause of "abnormal sudden acceleration" and the "coasting lag in gear changes" is likely software and electronic glitches (perhaps deliberately put there by terrorist programmers)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... now you've effectively changed the conditions... bravo.  But again, that's be something for the NSA, FBI, or NTSB to look into.  Not Bubba down at the corner auto garage'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'let's hope that car manufacurers are as good at protecting the system integrity as some phone developing companies are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'manufacturers*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we took your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the company producing the defective electronics is unlikely to admit to the defects, and the users of those chips (car manufacturers) if they bought/produced too many of those chips are in a delimma -- take a a big financial hit, or let a few of the end users get mangled in car crashes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If there are defects it's likely to be discovered by others than the evil terorrist hackers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you KNOW it was a the chip that caused the problem... why do you have to reverse-engineer it?  just sue the chip supplier'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, I'll refrain from correcting myself there. It's pointless.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, terrorists*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri :-P
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'car industry is deliberately using using substandard components in automobilers likely because an excessive amount of those components were produced, and because the cost savings in using those components are likely greater than the perceived financial damages awarded in successful lawsuits by customers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now there's an extra s instead *facepalm*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, they are actually safety standards regulating what components to use in critical systems, such as those that control your break-by-wire'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'brake* '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'braick'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I'm having problems spelling tonight :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'let's call it bad luck for now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'for a chip to be known as defective (either hardware or software), the chip must be reverse-engineered and analysed - and the laws/agreements prohibiting reverse-engineering are protecting the defective components from scrutiny'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'But we are talking about two different things here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a malicious programmer put in code that cause sudden acceleration when a random counter reached a specific value once every trillion samples, that code is unlikely to be discovered without reverse engineering'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'When you mentioned terrorist hackers I assumed you meant those that would infect your car with malicious software that will end up killing you in the next curve.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the chip when tested withouty reverse-engineering is likely to pass, as one in a trillion is so rare -- but with lots of cars driving lots of hours, not so rare'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that code is highly likely to be discovered in code reviews during safety certification of your system'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think, when zade brought up terrorists, he was trying to change the dynamic of the debate to make the notion a bit more favorable'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight. You are saying that if I take a dump of the code I won't detect the "terrorist" attack.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you must not be a programmer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'fork bomb?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anar - you likely would... Zades position is that 'taking that dump' is against the law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a disgruntled or sexthrill-seeking programmer is acting like a terrorist when deliberately adding in malicious code (even if not affiliated with a terrrorist organisation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't take a dump of the code in a car that I own?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as undetectable code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If you could I guess it would be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are however mechanisms that can make it impossible to dump out the code though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'id there is a Eula prohibiting reverse-engineering of the code-dump ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zades keeps brining up "reverse engineering"... I don't think that's neccessary to reveal an error, hardware or otherwise, in a chip'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are ways to disable a software dump, but there is no way to disable the reading of the data electronically. That is how disk recovery works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not all data is stored on "disks" though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'software customers may look at the software code in their machines -- looks like lots and lots of gibberish - and they are unlikely to even bother reverse-engineering the code into source -- but the EULA is yet there'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nobody cares:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car cradh victims may care '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car crash victims may care, when the defective electronics causes an accident'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the new car-buyers may care, when every car offered on the market seems more and more likely to be electronics defective'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'poor suckers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will always be defective electronics no matter how hard we work on getting rid of it. The human is more likely to be the biggest source for errors behind the wheel though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'however the kind of terrorist-induced malicious code is not going to end up in your car and at the same time be protected by some law from being discovered. That sounds very unlikely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am curious to know who these "terrorists" are :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the terrorist you speak of might or might not exploit weaknesses in the system security to infect cars that will possibly kill ppl. The car manufacturers might even get sued for their poor security.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or their lousy programming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I have no clue who they are. Zade might know.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the malicious code is discovered through an illegal reverse-engineering, there may be a dilemma as to how to reveal that a defect was discovered'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as illegal reverse-engineering. I can't help if I can read stored data and see the code it represents.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you make it illegal to be able to read machine code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lets do that, kirchner would love it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'black boxes all the way'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a proper black box is too heavy to use in cars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't need a black box, just write a dump print routine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the msanufacturers already know the electronics is defective, but so many chips were produced, they prefer to reain silent and let some customers suffer the consequences (of their reluctance to suffer a huge financial loss by replacing those chips with nondefective versions, and not using the defective stockpiles)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mclaren f1 still rocks thanks to the updated security standards. nothing more there..'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'quite possible, Zade. Manufacturers are known for factoring in lawsuit costs vs re-engineering costs.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, every Eula agreement these days seems to use the (paraphrased) words "no reverse-engineering"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'dumping the code and looking at the print out does not constitute reverse-engineering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it is possible to make all cars completely safe. but then they would most likely look like fat sausages. filled with foam just in case. who wants that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds cool, I'd like one if it's fast.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'producing defective cars (that seem to self-destruct/rust in ten years) is deliberate so as to maintain the demand for new cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, it's all covered in the lightbulb conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and hey. the rally cars 4-point safety belts are just awesome. but these are too uncomfortable for mundane driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and it's expensive to have a roll cage in every car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if cars lasted thirty years before breaking don and becoming unreparable, many 'd keep their cars for at least twenty years'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'a car is like anything else if properly maintained it will last much longer than if the owner doesn't care'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot maintain modern cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern cars have in-built obsolesance'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my 06 gto runs like the day I bought it and I've ran that car hard on long trips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'gto, lame :) buy my nova'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '06 isn't exactly old'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the brake lines are deliberately manufactured to rust'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I haave a car from 2010, and I think that one is getting old. *mutter*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars will last 15yrs if maintained right'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have 0 cars :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beyond that you will not get the parts, and will no longer get the support from main dealers when it comes to software'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can probably buy parts from junk dealers though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, my car is from 1979'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, you end up having to shop at a pick-n-pull'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have a Berlingo. its embarrassing but cheap to repair:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in Cuba they have probably perfected keeping old cars running. Though I bet there are no original parts left in them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big danger these days is merely not how long a maintained car lasts, but whether the car starts to be the "car from hell" from the get go upon being driven off the new car lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and thats why most states have a lemon law'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'junk parts from junk dealers will not work'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not on new cars)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, that will most certainly happen. It will most likely happen because of a bug and not because of a terror-hacker placing a random error induction in the code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'placing*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cuba got it right, old cars you can maintain, make parts for if necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah, '70-'90 every last man in cccr knew how to clean the carburator and what not in ziguli or zaporozets:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my next car will be something pre-computerisation'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least, i'll get one pre-computerisation alongside a standard one'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2013 Lemon-Aid reads like a horror novel compared to editions of ten years ago - the vehicle manufacturers are more nonfeeling, more arrogant, and more callous'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, when a main dealer quoted me $2200 to replace an alternator and vacuum pump, you know the writing is on the wall'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger maybe they just wanted you to buy a new car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'here an alternator runs between 14 and 169 ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the end i got it done for $800'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you can also take it off, and take it to a rebuild place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, a local shop sold me a lifetime warranteed brake, and shortly after i got it, it had problems, took it back for the warranty, they wanted to sell me a whole new rear end'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money saved by sending it to a place that refurbishes them would be spent renting a car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i took it to another shop, and got 2 year warrantee brakes put on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'replacing an alternator is cheap on an old truck -- half-hour to an hour job plus parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, zade, this was a fucking ridiculous alternator with a vacuum pump attached'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the other shop also did a good job putting on a new muffler and a new bracket for the exhaust'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but they didnt feel i needed a 'whole new rear end''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so its like, srsly. do i look like i just fell off a turnip truck? someone tells me to spend triple what my car is worth, when it still runs fine, i'm totally gettin a second opinion bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'places get away with it here, partly because of a dumb public, partly because of protectionist practices'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'incidentally, brakes are pretty cheap. so the whole lifetime warranty thing isnt usually worth it. sucky midas'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warranties on brakes seem somewhat pointless'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, here's a fun one for you. i went to autozone and got a new license plate bulb.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the lady there was so pushy when i didnt want to buy bulb grease'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'same thing happens with labor charges a tranny shop tried to charge me 3 times for removing the tranny to replace a seal and a gear. they were hoping i didn't know better or wouldn't read the invoice'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so after 6 minutes waiting for a manager, i explained the situation to the manager, and he tried to tell me that she wasnt trying to be pushy'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't replace trannies here, we point and laugh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i explained to them that she was failing at whatever else she was trying, because she succeeded in being pushy'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have just walked out'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'you didn't buy bulb grease? Man.. that stuffs important.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and after 12 minutes, i finally got my license plate bulb, and my receipt. no bulb grease'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, nah, it was that time of the month, bad bulb around the 30th/31st/1st/2nd is quota time for tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'randal ah the tranny shop guy here was pretty good. they charged me 743 and change for a transmission seal, fluid, and a new force plate along with removal/insertion and check odometer cable'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and it really was bleeding fluid bad when i first bought it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manual transmissions go wrong less'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yeah, but its not worth the price of converting'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace a clutch plate once halfways through the lifetime of the car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if i had a v8 or a forklift motor dropped in, then maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts the car was from 1979. how far til i hit the halfway of its life?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're already past it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ok good ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when buying a car, ask how much the shop charges to replace the spark plugs (when not covered by warranty) - if they say $1000, look at anothr car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade uh. i can do the plugs myself. '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't got spark plugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, diesel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Ah. Diesel then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'you run a deisel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Glowplugs, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'same difference, really as far as service goes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'glowplugs freak me out kinda'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mnmm warm glow plugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone with any sense does over here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i kinda think it'd be cool to have a bio-diesel car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'too many times had a truck come back to life as i'm halfway in the house'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'US laws make that impractical.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'right now i only get like 20.6 miles per gallon in town with my 1979 steel bodied car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some modern cars require the upper body to be removed merely to get at the spark plugs - that is where the expense is'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Rand... thats unlikely to be glow plugs. Probably carbon deposits inside the engine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade nah, i just open the hood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it only ever happened after long trips coming home from a job out of state'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'unspent fuel when you turned the engine off?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'always just assumed it was the plugs getting to hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bad out of state fuel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'never ever buy gas in arkansas. their gas sucks'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Unlikely to be plugs though.. when you turn off the ignition they should turn off as well. carbon deposits inside the engine retain heat, and accidentally serve the same functions as glowplugs though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'daloran couldnt he go a stage cooler on his plugs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'i don't think it's likely to make a difference on that issue, vamp. Though most of my diesel experience is all theoretical, so, not 100% sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait ... most is all theoretical?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my only issue with modern diesels is the setup of the engine management system'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely narrow band of power'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and also weird oil port drainage?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i change the oil myself, no issues there'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes, it was unnessecary words, i know Maj.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude leaves to watch fireworkses.
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have fireworks, they've been cancelled due to cuts (while Obama is on a foreign jolly costing $20m,) or they've been tugged because of al-quaida hiding down your 5yr old disabled childs' pants'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sucks to be you'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tell that to the assholes who were setting them off outside my window at 3am'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best call the feds and get them to declare martial law outside your window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i was more pissed off at house price inflation and potential interest rate hikes coming down the pike'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for "more pissed off", read "angry on the verge of revulsion"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fireworks are nice... but if there's no money, I can think of sillier things to cut'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did y'all see the video of a guy filming police from a distance, get's accosted and arrested by the cops who then proceed to shoot his dog dead with submachine gun?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested for being black without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean a pistol?  I saw the one with the pistol'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a smg'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mp4'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dude should have rolled up his window on his car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should, he should also have been asked to, doesn't justify the police action'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither the arrest nor the shooting'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops were being reasonable... then they were being attacked by a dog... then the dog was dead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bull-shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would you rather the cops had been malled by the dog?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wish a strawman argument, sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you have a personal issue... I will always put human safety above dog safety'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's look at the other options: don't arrest a guy for filming when it's not against the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2. talk to the guy rationally rather than arresting him, and get him to roll up his window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you didn't get the whole story'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3. use a fucking taser if needbe, not a live automatic weapon'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone (not a criminal) gets mauled by a police dog and shoots it, they're charged with murder of a police office'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they guy was not asked to stop filming.. he was asked SEVERAL times to stay clear of the other side of the street... he kept going back to the other side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the police detained him to keep him off the other side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not evident from the full recording of the full encounter'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does not match the video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which again, suggests bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'wait, Tigernuts misrepresented the story?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll see if I can find the 'other' story... at first, all I say was the video with the liberal opinion... then I found the rest of it somewhere... hang on'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as with most stories, there are at least 3 sides -- his side, the police side, and the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever story you're looking at doesn't justify their activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police have been militarised and have been trained to shoot first ask questions later'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the woman charged with assault of a police officer for kissing one on the nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's from the los angelese times:  "...Officers handcuffed bystander Leon Rosby, 52, after he walked close to the scene with an 80-pound Rottweiler on a long leash-line," creating an increasingly dangerous situation, the Hawthorne Police Department said in statement."'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see if on the video, he was barely in earshot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dog was within 6 feet of him'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the video... Roseby CLEARLIY went close to the scene at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why would anyone need 281? 291 is like a week away'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Feds try to frame Luke Rudkowski for child porn charges'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to answer your question :) Some people switch weapons every 10 levels, not 20 :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bottom line... in the USA, a rott is considered a dangerous animal...'''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are a far more dangerous animal than rotties ever could be'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... we've moved on'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... now I have to engage.... Human!.... Animal.... human.. animal... human animal...... I have to side with with the human that didn't want to get killed by a dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd have shot the dog dead, too... '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dog was only protecting his master'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... to thet death... good dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops are out there trying to control an active crime scene, and bozo is being an ass with his camera phone and rott.... who's REALLY to blame here?  I say the owner.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was no where near the scene'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'video CLEARLY showes him crossing the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the scene was that important, cordone the fucking scene off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to justify incompetent police'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1st thing cops do over here is cordon the scene off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police 101'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first thing they do here is go after the target.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they left two cops to seciure the perimeter... and bozo didn't litsten.... and his dog got dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope they get sued'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because boso couldn't keep his butt on the right side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because it was more important to bozo to get some cool youtube video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because bozo didn't roll up his window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are implying facts that are not supported by the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'supported by the video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video clearly shows him crossing the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the police tape he ducked under?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video clearly shows him putting the dog in a car with the widows down'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at that stage... when the police say "don't go across the street"... you don't go across the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police are out of earshot, how can you infer that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but bozo just had to push the limit... and now bozo's dog is dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video shows the cops yelling something uninteligble, but making waving motions to their side of the street... safe to say that they cops wern't yelling "hey buddy!  just go ahead and run on up to that house that we just sent a swat team into"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still inferring facts that are not supported by the evidence. They could equally have just been shouting "stop filming" or "stay back"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or "get down", or anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole fiasco was handled badly, it was entirely unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... once the dog attacked the cops... the dog was dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should get compensation for his dog, and the cops retrained'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should be banned from owning another dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops should be banned from holding a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'instead, they just film everything you do'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly in my police area there is always an armed swat team on call'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patrolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the UK is a 'surveillance state''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all beat cops have tasers (provided they've had the training)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, but at least they don't beat up black guys in wheelchairs, or arrest black guys for filming then shoot their dog dead, or go toa  domestic violence incident and get the wrong address, shooting a random person's dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or shoot a guy holding a garden hose trigger'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or shoot so badly in such numbers at one guy outside the empire state building that NINE members of the public are injured'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... in the UK, the citizens stand around with their phone cameras while their servicemen get their heads chopped off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was mown down by the car, as it goes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I guess his head just fell off, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they beheaded him after'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was america, the cops would have shot the beheaded guy for not putting his arms up'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's clear we won't agree on this, so the best compromise i can think of is that there was wrong commmitted on both sides, but only one side actually shot something dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of the egypt coup?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2012 Ford Focus - not an automatic transmission but a "computer-controlled manual transmission" that provides a jerky lack of acceleration and uneven performance until the computer learns how the driver drives. With three different drivers, the result is an accident prone jerky performance as the ineptly programmed computer never learns.  And a driver with two or three driving styles, same disaster'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'ohhh a car debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I like computer controlled manual transmissions, it's a really nice thing, much better than an automatic, but I agree with you that the computer must have a minimum of intelligence :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'some of the cars with learning settings like that actually learn per-key. so different keys == different programming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'also some cars allow you to choose manually the "speed" of the shift, so you can usually choose smooth, fast, or really harsh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'for example the BMWs with normal, sport, and M mode'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also... if its computer controlled.. i'd argue that it isn't a manual, but rather an automatic transmission =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'completely computer controlled i mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're getting rid of manuals pretty soon, sales of such cars dropped by 50% to just 3.8% of the market last year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, they won't be getting rid of them Hans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I have no problems of getting rid of manuals, as long as they switch them to computer controlled manuals :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean those autosticks?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'no I mean that both the main and the slave clutch cylinder are computer controlled, same for the manual shifting linkage'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think they won't get rid of them, Dal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'that means the speed of a manual transmission, without the need of a clutch and a stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Because they won't. People still buy them. Some people demand them. Others require them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'there is some that outright refuse to buy cars that are not manuals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and as I said, there were 50% fewer buyers of manual transmission cars (a segment that already was less than  of the market anyways).'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's trending downward, and at some point automakers will figure it's just not worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'won't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I only have a manual transmission in my sports car because in the affordable sports car segment, all automatic transmission sucks, and there's no DSG or computer controlled manuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'once I can have something better than the stick, I'll never have a stick again'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'manual transmissions are for younguns, not for olduns'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Theres a lot of cars that aren't even available with an automatic, presently'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Also most people who do distance hauling have manuals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'huge trucks are different to cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well it's no longer necessary to have manuals in distance hauling with automatics that you can downshift on demand, it was necessary before, I agree'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It's still neccesary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'how it is necessary ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the trouble with manual transmissions is that the clutch pads wear out every few years from lots of nifty driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You try hauling a trailer with an automatic, kon =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'not myself, but most trucks around here are auto, I know several companies that won't even buy manuals anymore, too much trouble, new drivers couldn't be bored to learn proper double shifting techniques'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now they also have a big shortage of drivers, so they put auto trans, and women at the wheels'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Anddddd  you just became unworthy of my time with the sexism. Thanks for playing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'driving a manual transmission requires intelligence and persistence to do the tedious shifting regimen required'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sexism ? it's a fact, also women usually have less accidents, and are more dependable than men'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Daloran is a bad debater'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'do you know many 100 lbs women that can properly double shift a big rig ? it needs some base strength'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strength, intelligence, and an dedicated (anal retentive?) persistence to shifting properly'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'yeah and even most new drivers aren't dedicated, male or not... just put a big auto trans oil cooler and be done with it, no maintenance, no hassle'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'on the other hand, I want the computer controlled 50 ms manual transmission from Lamborghini'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no power-assisted synchromesh manual transmission gears with heavy rigs ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Lamborghinis are terrible for hauling stuff with'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I agree with you Hanslanda, but that would be for my sports car ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Zade I don't know... never heard of one... I guess it could be possible and Daloran could be happy :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer cheap and reliable, and simple to repair '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and rustproof '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'what's rustproof in trans ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with pre-reverse-engineered chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the multiple difficulties in modern cars seems to be a result of  extremely bad programming and electronics, the deliberate use of cheaper substandard parts -- but since cars are required, the consumer is held hostage, especially when all the car manufacturers draw from the same stockpiles of crappy material, crappy patented electonics, crappy copyrighted software (unless they hire an inhouse team of programmers to innovate from scratch - a scenario which is also unlikely to work)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess you're stuff with a mule, then, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some cars from twenty years ago are sturdier and more reliable than modern cars -- though the modern emission standards are cleaner'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''stuck'.. that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are many offerings at all price points that don't have those problems, Zade, either because the car company made sure not to fall into those kinds of boondoggles or because the model has already gone through such growing pains'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the methane-to-mile ratio is pretty freaking stellar on a mule.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mules have braking issues, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those airbags are scary, and unreliable  (as in reverse unreliable)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... probobly faulty brake-control chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but nothing beats the cruise control on a late-model mule'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'another problem with mules is that if they get a flat tire you have to shoot them in the head.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes indeed... that's a bad day'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mules are sort of disposable that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'why spend a bullet ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... you could just let it loose at a crime scene in Hawthorne, Calif'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of modern car difficulties are from bad electronics -- unless like PC of the 1980s q990s where there was a lot of competition in chips, mainboards, and software, the use of computers in every modern car does not provide competition diversity'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Personal Computer market was open -- the current Car Computer market seems closed'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'closed like my give-a-crap meter on the topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that is shouldn't be important to you, though.  by all means - have at those dastardly chinese slackers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're also getting rid of emergency brakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Chinese are hard workers, they provide the crap as requested by the first world manufacturers (or are you saying that the Chinese are mostly to blame for providing only craps choices)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You mean parking brakes? '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not emergency brakes =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's another name for them, they're also known as hand brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... we won't need e-brakes once the government gets cracking on their multi-trillion dollar project to flatten all the roads to less than a .5% grade'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah.. but... they're not for emergencies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Hanslanda would you care to explain what's the plan to get rid of them ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I'd like to see them to that in the mountain state'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better technology, plus the decrease in manual transmissions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mountains will be tunneld'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Ever been to west virginia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama said it himself just last night... gimme a sec and I'll get a reference for you'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only passing through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'It would be impossible'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I do not see how a better technology automatic transmission could replace a parking brake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the 1980s, some top-of-the-line portable cassette recorders contained components manufactured in huge volume circa 1955 -- those parts waited over twenty-five years before being used '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I could see the below 5% grade in flat lands but my whole state is a mountain'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to get rid of e-brakes?  They're practically already gone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and We are home to one of the steepest grades in the eastern us and a very heavily traveled interstate system would be impossible to flatten the hills here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not 5% grade.... point-five percent...   .5%'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well Hanslanda I do not know a car that doesn't have at least a foot e-brake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hold on.... still looking up that reference.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'parking brakes are not practically gone =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scary part is when substandard components are manufactured in hude quantities, and wait years and years until used in (say) modern cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ford Escorts didn't have 'em.  They just had the between-seat e-brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hans.. that is a parking brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are also known as e-brakes, safety brakes, and hand brakes, Daloran.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And yet, they are parking brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I think Hanslanda is trolling :) I agree on the disparition of the manual in the long term, but e-brake, unless we get triple redundancy independant channel disc brakes... like planes, would cost too much for now'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'the term ebrake is bullshit anyway. You try using one in an emergency, you're going to have a bad time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, and they are going the way of the Dodo due to a lack of need (more auto trans instead of manual trans) and newer technology that improves on their use (ie, hill hold)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, they won't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i completely ripped mine off the car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'haha you are right Daloran, you must stall the car or close ignition first, then go to 1st or 2nd gear, to have a small chance of stopping'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'you blow a brake line and it comes in real handy and i would call no brake pressure an emergency'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some car manufacturers like this scenario, because the cars they produce are sure to break down even sooner, requiring even more crappy cars to be produced and sold - so extra humans are grossly inconvenienced as a result of this, they are laughing to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... tell me... who's to blame here?  the 35¢/hour chinese worker who made the part - the company that hired the worker to make the part - the warehouse where the part was stored - the shipping company that transported the part across the ocean - the dock worker in san fransico who moved the shipping container full of parts - the manufacturing company that bought the parts - the american auto worker who installed the part - the guy who drove the car with the part onto the truck - the dealer who sold you the car - the guy who detailed your car before you drove it home - you - or the guy who's banging your neighbor's wife while you drive the car.... who's FAULT is it.. who do you want to PAY?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car designer'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hill hold is basically merging the handbrake into the accelerator (step on the gas, the ebrake disengages)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the CEOs that ordered the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the guy who's sitting there in front of a cad program moving pixels around into the shape of a car is to blame for the faulty chips?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Hanslanda hill hold, what happen if you lose trans fluid ? no more brakes ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the callous bord of directors that ordered the CEOs to order the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'you mean capitalism Zade ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'debate Would also engage the ebrake when you lifted from the gas, which is an idiotic thing. Hill hold is actually to keep a manual car from rolling backwards down a hill while accelerating from a standstill..'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think any sort of braking uses trans fluid...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you honestly believe that an august assemblage of TOP business men would be so absolutly STUPID as to make that specific request?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politicians seeking political contributions and are okay with the callous board of directors that ordered the CEOs to order the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'International stopped making Jeep like trucks because they were not making any money out of them because they lasted forever so people loved them so much that they never got a newer one... it was a failure, you need to design it so it rusts and people will buy a new one, or you need to really charge alot for the first one because you won't sell any more after that :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hill hold only kicks in when you're stopped and on an incline.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they'd consult their lawyers and do a cost analysis (profit versus litigation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my guess is that the decision to use the cheap parts is made by some middle level bean counter/purchasing agent who's trying to save a buck, and doesn't even know the chips ar faulty'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah hans.. hill hold is not a replacement for a parking brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jeep is not worth buying anymore - lemon-jeeps'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the lawyers know that the components are faulty'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's because Jeep is a Chrysler brand, which means for it to become any good both the American AND the European markets have to be doing really well at the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do YOU drive, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'currently, the American market is doing well and the European market is in the tank again.  Any money that the Chrysler brands are bringing in is getting leeched into the euro markets to prop up Fiat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chrysler produces "below average" defective vehicles these days (according to the 2013 Lemon-Aid) '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... what do you drive?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm looking to purchase a car to replace the twenty-five year old clunker -- and the Lemon-Aid book reads like a horror story '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you drive a clunker... is it in good repair?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet passes emissions, brakes and brakelines are okay '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'keep it ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... no brainer... keep it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've kept that clunker alive, doing many of the repairs, but the rust is killing the outer body '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you have to impress a girl, or a boss or some such'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mid-west?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'costal'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'live near a salt mine?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mid-ontario rural'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'road salt, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a car-killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they won't salt the roads in alaska... atracts too many animals'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Part of the government industrial collusion ... blah blah blah'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege looks over his head to see where the ball lands
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Sorry, thought the converstaion had gotten entiorely too rational. :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'do like my collegue, nothing like a bit of potty and wire mesh can't fix :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you use potty to fix your car?  Interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's hear it for recycling'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sorry putty :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the state I grew up in doesn't have emmisions testing, but your car's body has to be in a condition such that pieces will not create a road or driving hazzard... every now and then, someone has to get the tire iron out of the trunk and just smash off a fender or a door panel'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no fender is preferable to an about-to-fall-off fender'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he's really hilarious, he can fix holes about 12 inches by 12 inches, he wire mesh the whole area, putty all over, sand, and paint with a mix of rust paint and thinner so he can use his paint gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'fender you say, he made a whole fender with wire mesh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heck of a deal... and putty don't rust!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he has a norm, he never pay more than 300 bucks for a car, he uses it for a couple of years and sell it more than what he paid for, but yeah he doesn'T count all the man hours put into it...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure glad I have my own beef cattle.....to save feed costs on corn,  a dairy farmer in Middlebury, Ind. He feeds his 400 cows bits of candy, hot chocolate mix, crumbled cookies, breakfast cereal, trail mix, dried cranberries, orange peelings and ice cream sprinkles, which are blended into more traditional forms of feed, like hay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt has $8 million a year for a congressional barbershop, but not $100k for fireworks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are republican, don't ask the government to pay for your fireworks'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Flaming June is the alpha and omega of trance music'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's have a discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone say something controversial'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must feel sorry for some of these small local newspapers - drudge links to one of their story and the surge of traffic takes their site down'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard some rumours that the military in egypt, which control considerable amounts of the infrastructure and private corporations, manufactured the deteriorating energy supply in order to ferment dissent among Morsi supporters'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate from The Guardian:"...Morsi does not have the sensibility, the vision or the political acumen to tackle Egypt's complex structural challenges. Instead of delivering on his promises, such as more jobs, greater inclusiveness and al-nahda, or renaissance, he went to great lengths to monopolise power and to entrench his Islamist movement in state institutions... "'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://rt.com/usa/nsa-protests-july-4-700/'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RT?  Really?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia's MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'home of all things 'anti-western'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, it's not anti-western'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at worst it's pro-russian'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Last time I was on RT it was talking about NK's aggression'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have yet to see a flatering western story, and I DO watch it a fair bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one i just posted is a flattering western story'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but RT is not the debate here'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Egypt's military is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ANY source you have to consider the motivations and bias, and yes, RT is pro-russia just in the same way MSNBC is pro-democratparty'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I can't see Egypt going to war soon'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way Fox is pro-GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way BBC is pro-left'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so, of course there is ALWAYS room for speculation....  the Egyptian Military certainly has it within it's capability to effect Egyptian Economy... but I don't see the motivation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way PressTV is pro-Iran'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Egypt is too scrambled as it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Morsi came to power because the military handed the power over to him....'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt is fucked now, the west shouldn't have pushed the revolution, it wasn't ready for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The people picked morsi... then un-picked him when he didn't fix anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I just hope Israel doesn't do anything stupid and anger Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military hasn't acted agains the majority as far as I can tell'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Morsi was picked by the minority of the electorate'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't a two-way race, so there doesn't have to be a majority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '33, and 33 and 34.... 34% wins'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both statements are correct, and is why a majority were against him just now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that does equal 100, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Not to Egypt apparently'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll descend into sectarian violence now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think so... I think the military will support another round of elections.  hope for a better outcome'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military should have held on to power the first time and got the constitution sorted out first before elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree... constitutions are for civilians to sort out... not soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not so say that a few soldiers can't hang up their rifles and become civilians'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have civilians choose it, they don't need to be in charge for that to be done'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting Morsi in power then having him ram through a constitution isn't the way to do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so to bend your earlier statement... 'the military ought to have stayed in power while a select contingient of civilians sorted out a constitution'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure of the best way of sorting out a constitution, but it ought to require as super-majority to pass'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a simple majority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd go along with that, except that I would want a popular body of folks sorting it out.. not the military or the military's selectmen'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i never intended the military draft the constitution, just that they held power while it was being done'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like to think that in USA's history, there were able 'statesmen' that did the sorting, but more and more, I think they were probobly just as crooked and selfserving as politicians today... I dunno though.  It's a bit blasmphous to say so in the US today'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were fighting for their states'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and dangerous... for better or worse, their work has served as an anchor'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and regardless of motive, it's a pretty good document'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a damned good anchor, it's a fucking travesty you guys haven't kept a hold of it, all your problems stem from letting the constitution be usurped'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most folks will toss away pretty much anything for a free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''specially if they never had to bleed for the thing their tossing'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to take away the chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would be easier to take away M.Obama's weave'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'once you give someone a free chicken, the only way to get their hands unclenched is to hold out another free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people hang onto their free chickens harder than Charlton Hesston hangs (hung) onto his guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just stop handing out the chickens'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they consume the chickens though, charlton's guns endure'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll either learn to farm chickens, or learn to buy more'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have to be well braced for a riot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to go to town... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, they can be weaned though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm busy'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt's Morsi presidency was brought down by economic failure... must have been all those pyramid schemes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'What's the topic for tonight Von?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we could debate....  egypt?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got pretty well beaten earlier, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why add fuel to that fire?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, we know now that the US is behind the Egypt uprising :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a pretty good debate... two relatively polarized views... no clear end...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Fez was last on : Fri Jan  5 11:41:50 2007'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Arab Spring, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... US had something to do with arab spring.... that's what you mean, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US government mourns the death of a democratic government but secretly rejoices that the Islamic faction got it in the butt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US position on Islam is clear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly true... it was a pretty untenable situation... rock and a hard place'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'but butt?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now THAT I will debate... the US Position on Islam depends entirely on who you ask'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Islamic Brotherhood is about to be outlawed in Egypt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? The US makes no bones that they want Islam gone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ask obama, and he'll ask "got one I can kiss?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the Arab Spring was always supposed to happen.  We can't actually just go into every country we meddle in and oust the rulers therein, and the Bay of Pigs made us forever gunshy about smalltime operations to do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course the US is not going to make an official statement on their position. That would be tantamount to declaring war on the entire  Middle East.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Israel excepted, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Most thinking Americans (all three of us) want organized religion completely out of the political economic picture'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since there's only three of you, I guess that makes you a solid minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Solidarity!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what about keeping military out of politics? Egypt has a very long history of military in policits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the presidents since the 50s have been former generals of the egypt military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most thinking americans would laugh at such a statement.  If you don't have the God/Allah/Yahweh crazying it up, it just means the science crazies get free reign.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in egypts case, the military is pretty reliable... they didn't keep power any longer than they had to a couple years ago... didn't turn out too well, but at least the military allowed the system to fail'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ha religion out of politics sounds great ... so does winning the lotto'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Mursi wasn't, so he was deposed by the military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US destabilized both Libya and Syria. It's after Iran and now is manipulating Egypt.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I bought my ticket. Did you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Egypt was all us, long before we started poking Iran in earnest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where did you think Mubarak came from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess I should be glad that my government is watching out for my interests'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'US invested several billions in their military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if they don't always get it right... puppeteering isn't an exact science'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they saw the handwriting on the wall :) Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd be disappointed if my government wasn't out there stacking the deck'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what government is that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you mean uparsin?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'either spelling works'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- USA.... but don't think for a minute that every government out there isn't doing the same to the best of their ability... except maybe sweden... but then they DID let Hitler roll through on his way to russia'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as for Mubarak. He conspired to have Amwar Sadat killed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sweden wasn't between germany and russia, but they let them go through sweden to norway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the Engelbrekt division was going by train through sweden to norway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The point is that, allegedly, Egypt is a sovereign nation. The US is always mumbling something about respecting the sovereignty of other nations. The other manipulators don't put up that facade. '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wiki (for what it's worth): "During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (JuneJuly 1941) the German 163rd Infantry Division along ...."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Sweden was neutral  :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'interesting, didn't know that. I wonder if they were going to russia though. That is not a very straight way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'But actually, Sweden was, what was later coined as, finlandized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... as was switzerland... and they were allowed to remain so as long as they let germany use them as they saw fit'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly, that's what finlandization is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Finlandizaton refers directly to the relatioship of Finland and the USSR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Finland was "independent" as long as they did what they were told.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well they shouldn't have gotten any cake at the after-war party'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had Sweden said no to germany we would have been invaded in no time. I guess no one here felt it was a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there was a lot of face to be saved, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Besides, Sweden did allow allied spies to filter through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do understand the political reality of their situation... it just sounds so..... french.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they did at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and produced alot of steel and weapons for the allies'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they trafficed a lot of jews away from hitler, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this is also applicable to Norway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... back the the original point of my original comment... countries manouver and manipulate and scheme to improve their situation... it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... back the the original point of my original comment... countries manouver and manipulate and scheme to improve their situation... it's their nature.. it's what they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege sounds "French" in that the French with their harshness at the end of WW1 indirectly started WW2'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some in small ways... some with tanks (if they have 'em)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but there is difference between positioning oneself and destabilizing another nation so that one can exploit it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was say "french" as in "the frech have already surrendured to Iran... just in case"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'WW1 and WW2 were the same war, and WW2 was a planned engagement by the allies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I gues there's no frenchmen here... waste of a darn funny joke'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the Allies miscalculated was the insanity of Hitler. Everything else went according to plan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure we have some poutine-mouthed Canadiennes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'A good thing Hitler was insane or the war would have lasted longer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, actually, had Hitler not been insane, the war would have been over sooner :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Allies would have been crushed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, if you put it like that, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan would not have had time to join the war :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if Hitler had not been insane, there would have been no war in Europe'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he wasn't very insane in the beginning. He was just crazy then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that's wrong. The allies were sure that the war would resume. They started by making the Armistice as humiliating as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not crushed, I think... the industrial US machine (that everyone with less than $1,000 in the bank seems to hate today) would have eventually ground hitler down, but it would have been very very expensive... more likely, there would have been a negotiated truce... but not crushed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't just Hitler.  He wasn't even the real power.  A massive political machine stanced against the West put him there to further their ends.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if they had actually enforced the armisitice germany couldn't have re-armed, militarized the rhine...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would have been much more difficult without allies controlling some piece of land in europe though Von'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'armistice*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'They humiliated Germany and counted on the growing nationalism there to restart the war.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 's'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'difficult, AND expensive (in terms oflife and materiel)... but we were in it for the species.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-s'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'german troops were barred from the rhineland and the allies just let them roll in on bicycles. Hitler tested the boundaries and repeatedly found the allies were too distracted to care what he did'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'distracted, and perhaps a bit apathetic'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after all, we DID have a humongous ocean between us.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as well as a raging financial crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not Hitler. The Wehrmacht. Hitler wasn't a very good strategist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Hanslanda person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, think Anaristos is right about that too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, Germany controlled the seas until attrition took its toll.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'His generals were afraid to go against his mad plans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'WWII was actually fascinating from a theoretical point of view :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from all points of view'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, as long as you weren't caught on the ground there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany had a lot going for it at the start, but speed and a quick endo to the war was always part of the plan... because hitler, AND his generals knew that they couldn't out last allied industrialism'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, Rommel could have won the war for Hitler. But Hitler was at his insanest with him :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you mean if Rommel had been in charge of strategy for the whole of germany?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rommel was a brilliant armor officer, with a keen eye for tactics... but he wasn't all that brilliant at strategy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least not on a gobal scale'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rommel would be a major threat in today's climate.  Give him the right funding access and he could've become the rl Cobra Commander.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... Ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he really liked to use the blitz, and often got caught with his supply lines spread way too thin'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he decoded the message signalling the invasion of Normandy. Hitler ignored him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'rommel decoded a message? intercepted you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't rommel out of the office ill that day?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'No, decoded. The message was sent over the BBC radio, a musical massage. The BBC regularly transmitted messages some being dummies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know he was away from the coast'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was in charge of the Atlantic front. When ne notified Berlin of the imminent invasion he was relocated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then again.. I might be pulling that from between my right and left butt cheaks'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I knew he had been transfered from N Africa, but I never heard this about the message before. Interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'his notes about D Days are available somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'D-Day*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah looking for it on google. Those keywords produce a lot of results though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is close, but not really conclusive:  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p417_Irving.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... Rommel said Calais'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Calais is the waterway the English call the Channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'English Channel -. Strait du Calis'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Calais*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'pais de calais i believe it's called'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'large port south of normady'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Spanish call it E Canal de la Mancha.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'El*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that makes me think of Don Quixote'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly. He lived in La Mancha, which is the French Calais.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It was a strange debate this time. Very little controversy in most contributions to it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'probably b/c no one wants to defend hitler'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it was mostly a historical review :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Tigernuts is offline'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are to things, Hitler and Germany. The two get equated and confused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I can't really defend hitler... not even for the sake of debate'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but as often happens, the debate starts with something and ends with Hitler in one way or another.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we could discuss his impact on modern day germany, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Germany could be defended, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... it's a great county'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the Germans still have some issues'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they make high-quality crap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'In germany, if you visit some WW2-historical place, they speak about the Nazis and the Germans as two separate groups of ppl.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a German will rat you out in a heartbeat if he thinks you're breaking the rules'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or perhaps this, "Which country is less reformed since the 1940's, Japan or Germany?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I thought Japan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if by "reformed", you mean different from how they were at the start of wwII'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely Germany.  The Japanese moreorless "forgot" their old selves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'German technical genius can't be denied. The experts obtained after the war fuled the US "industrial revolution" :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'err...reformed as in less likely to repeat historical mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'spontaneously I would say Japan as well but I haven't thought it over really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say that germany is less changed from the experience of WWII than japan is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan was emerge as a technical powerhouse. But their first strength was the ability to duplicate others' technologies more compactly and cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MacArthur pretty much overhauled the entire country of Japan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just read things in the news about Japan still denying well known war crimes like Unit 731 or atrocities in China'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'has emereged*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they did some really terrible things in China.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you mean "overhauled" as an euphemism for "rape", I agree :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, treat typos like temper tantrums.  If you ignore them, they'll go away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a tasty bit of bait for someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Pro GMO is the way to go!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'interesting article about japanese denials http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/18/opinion/la-oe-guttentag-japan-nanking-20130118'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'guttentag sounds like a bad spelling for "Good day" in german.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'hah there's a museum in Japan where you read that "The U.S. forced Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'looks like*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Your point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that it's false?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't the embargoes in force at that time?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'oil embargo yeah'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but oil embargo != surprise attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'keep in mind we were "meddling" in China at the time.  Japan was our enemy-by-proxy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it left Japan with few options though. They picked the most drastical solution to the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'economic collapse inevitable = what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the perfect time for a heroic hail mary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's a common tactic to not ship goods to people with whom you disagree. Like Cuba. Doesn't justify the attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Japan was being pretty dang brutal in China, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and they are not exactly best of friends now either'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'it is a common tactic of the strong to strangle the weak, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody else was shipping them, either, and they were in a land war in Asia when they noticed the white guys with funny eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and for the record, and for what's it's worth... the flying tigers were individual voluneers... not US forces =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'nor does it make it wrong for the weak to kick their attacker in the nuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were AMERICAN volunteers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just better be ready to run when he gets up'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why is it wrong to withdraw economic support from regimes with whom you have fundamental disagreements? Why would you support that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were Armerican volunteers in Britan as well... and there were American volunteers fighting for Germany, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sometimes you can influense the ones you are disagreeing with to change their minds perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'without embargos'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not wrong.  But it clearly is a reason (when combined with a lack of options elsewhere) to go try smoking someone in order to relieve the pressure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'so...I want your car in order to continue the conquest of my neighbor. You don't let me have it, so I kill you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'trade embargos are generally considered an acceptable and non-violent alternative to military action.... that the Japanees chose to attack pearl harbor as a result can't be pinned on the US... Japan made a choice, and lost.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bs, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you need a car and can't get someone to give/sell you one.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Germany had many opportunists join thems early in the war.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HEY!  there's Zade!  let's talk about defective car chips!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh no!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's so 24 hours ago.  Let's talk about defective potato chips instead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think we covered that subject thoroughly'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(defective chips *and* defective programmers coding defective code)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'all programmers produce defective code'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and those that make the chips will produce defective chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they do.  Job security and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, are you a programmer yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you write too good of a code, you end up with enough time to become a janitor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expendable defective programmers that deliberately produce defective code are to be euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's not a lucrative business to do a bad job deliberately, especially not as a programmer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(better to be a rich janitor than a euthanised expendable defective programmer that produced defective code)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'better to be a rich janitor than a euthanised expendable defective programmer that deliberately produced defective code'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're have a pretty miserable life, huh Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'envious ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did the Ontario winter bring you down a little too much?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you could get help, you know?  I hate to see anyone as dejected as you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the winter didn't the floods probably did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if you are snowed in you get lots of time for reflection'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last winter here was warmish '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the melting snow flows into the nearby channel to the lake where the rich float their boats'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't let you go ice fishing on their lake?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the snowplows clear the roads of snow  regularly in winter'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you'd rather see the snow in its natural habitat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes fishing, nether a fair nor nice sport
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the canadian wealthy probably act just like the american wealthy, trying to hide public access to nearby public features (ie, beaches) in order to pretend they've got more property than they pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abaolutly... I agree with you on fishing.. I much prefer hunting... there's no kill-and-release in hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stays indoors in winter (likely plays a some mud somewhere)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hunting isn't fair either unless you hunt without a rifle. But then I guess it would be unfair to you. Hmm..'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'could always use a tranquilizer gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'depends what you hunt elfeneri. Turkey hunting, advantage is with the turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I generally don't get too concerned with 'fair'... I do like a freezer full of game meat, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes hunting, neither a fair nor nice sport  (the human race is supposed to be evolving into benign, not devolve into barbaric)
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not to mention the belly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think turkeys are far too dumb to be advantaged.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'turkeys arent smart, no, but they are incredibly cautious and fearful. And have excellent hearing and vision'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and hunting nasty humans -- Barack Obama is doing that'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the most dangerous game'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... you go ahead an evolove your genetic tree into a benevelant (how the hell do you spell that?) benign species... My decendents will thank you for the free stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Devolve into barbarians cause we hunt that is good stuff lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i'm a barbarian already, no need to evolve in any direction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer nods at ElFeneri.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'though I have learned to behave civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'atleast you're offering help =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is civilized behavior?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I can sit in a sofa without having my feet on the table for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bad definition of "civilized" :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm.. well, I can be polite :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'civilized is knowing which fork is for eating the meat, and which fork is for picking your nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'civilized behavior is being able to watch someone else utterly ruin their whatever and having no issues with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'knowing which fork to use makes one culturally attuned, not civilized :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to me, being civilized is to understand that the automatic behavior built into our systems may no longer be applicable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you say that to be 'counter-culture' is to be civilized?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: 'I've always kinda thought "civilized" is what one group of people calls itself when it wants to think it's better than another group of people...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is that, though the definition is wrong :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'll let my wife know that next time she catches me with my feet on the table.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: 'ah, granted... that's not a definition... it's a usage quirk... i withdraw my comment...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, how to dress, how to act in a social setting is entirely cultural. By your definition, only your locale is civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'these are all nice colloquialisms, but here's the dictionary to spoil the party:  1.Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we eached touched on some of those'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'notice that it says "cultural". I don't agree that cultural correct is a synonym for civilized. For instance, unless you want to claim that cannibals are civilized, you have to exclude them even though they behave correctly according to their culture :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it didn't say culturally correct though, it said social, cultural, and moral development.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'according to "us" they are not civilized, according to "them we are not civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the rub is in the difference between a 'civilizatoin', and 'to be civilized'... the azteks practiced human sacrifice...AND they were a civilization'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'self-evaluating, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You gotta do what you gotta do to please the gods.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I guess if we used the word "civilization" literally, it applies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you also would have to exclude the eskimo.  Most cultures don't look on woman getting naked and in bed with a stranger at their door as civilized (in fact, most women would be quite offended if hubby told them to do so).'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Rome wouldn't be considered civilized by those standards, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think what we have established here, is that "to be part of a civilizatoin is 'civilized'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely.  When in Rome...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a circular definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or to blend in in a civilization is to be civilized'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like when I'm hunting turkey... I blend in real good'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to me, a civilized  person overrides their instinctive behavior with a behavior based on the actuality of the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but do you hunt in the civilization?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't consider hunting a civilized behavior :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I go where the turkey are... right into the heart of the 'Turkey Nation''
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not today, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can hunt in civilized portions of your world.  A case in point is in municipal deer control.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege, those genocidal africans in africa "are part of civilisation"  -- (that definition requires work to exclude anomalies)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hunting for food is neither/nor. Hunting for sport is barbaric.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the hunter gatherer civilizations it must have been considered civilized to hunt'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what (just playing devil's advocate, here) if you hunt for sport, and then donate the carcass to a family in need of food?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, ElFeneri. That's what I said.  Hunting for food is neither/nor :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos: "a civilized person overrides their instinctive behavior with a behavior based on the actuality of the situation" - Gengis Khanm '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'technically, that would be hunting for food, Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't suppose plucking helpless blueberries from their monther-bush is very civilized, wither'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would think so, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you hunt for food that you don't want?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you then ensure it's eaten by someone who needs it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, you miss the point. What I mean is that there are many instinctive behaviors which no longer serve us because we are not in a primitive setting anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, just changed the definition of "you"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only reason I'm curious is that this is pretty common where I'm from.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Now I don't know to whom I'm talking anylonger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If you are a commercial food provider, hunting makes sense. To go hunt just because is not a civilized act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. I suppose in Majic's scenario... "there's a family in need, and you don't mind pulling the trigger to help them out."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hunter-gatherer societies often "overhunted" because they were responsible for providing for the entire community instead of just themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes, hunter-gatherers were constantly on the move'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Hanslanda, but the purpose was to have food, not to get one's rocks off. Even if hunting did get one's rocks off :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege, "pull the trigger" and euthanise "the family in need" (?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know anybody that hunts as an orgasmic experience, and I'm in a pretty rual area... lots of us hunt.  We LIKE to hunt... and we LIKE to eat it, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, those who can't wait for the hunting season to open don't enjoy killing animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure, Zade... if that's what you say I ment... by all means, kill the poor people <rolls eyes>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I actually like shooting more than I like hunting... Huntings all well and good, and it puts some cheap meat in the freezer...  but I really like plinking and blasting colored ice blocks more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it might be less enjoyable if someone had previously injured you (or nearly so) or some other difficulty has arisen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hunting is also a way ro regulate the number of wild animals so that wildlife car accidents are not so frequent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly I'd rather have hunters a few weeks of the year than import natural deer predators :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a scifi author repeatedly stated in a scifi novel "A hunter has no soul" -- wrote the whole movel around that concept'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'deer predators have the unfortunate habit of deciding to eat pets instead because they're more available'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, because we were put on Earth into make sure that the ecosystem would work correctly. Before humans evolved the ecosystem was a mess :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, no, but it did rely on predators that we've eliminated because we don't like our toddlers, pets, and livestock getting eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Anaristos, which is why nature found it important to evolve us humans :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that the entire Earth is our ecosystem, pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'once we've eliminated the predators, the ecosystem really doesn't work correctly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if humans disappeared from the Earth, the ecosystem would survive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well we can't all just commit suicide now... so now we have to deal with a deer population that is higher than any time in history'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something that cannot be said about it  if humans do remain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you hunt, you are dead inside, without soul, and not really alive'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, but it would undergo some pretty fantastic swings until it settled to something stable, given the superabundance of prey and the relative shortness of predators'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes, Zade... we all heard what you had to say about your favorite SciFi authour... now move along and let the adults talk'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unless hunting down nasty hunter humans)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ecosystems, if left alone, will reach an equilibrium. Humans don't want an equilibrium, they want a bias, which is why the ecosystem is in danger atm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not hunting deer + shooting predators = making everything sick in the ecosystem.  This is pretty much how the environmentalists nearly killed our national parks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the equilibrium may of course not be a stable point'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, let me get this straight, those that hunt nasty humans are not dead inside while those that hunt other things are dead inside?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'equilibrium is stable, by definition. There is no implication of a static state.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct. but equilibrium may involve some pretty dramatic swings even while involved in a limit cycle'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'temporarily suspend empahy to eliminate the diseased humans'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, because the ecosystem would re-regulate without humans doesn't mean that we aren't involved in regulating it now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... this conversation just gave me a headache... freaking college boys.  I'm going to get a shower.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'Shooting deer is a goodness. It beats the hell out of card games.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if humans destroy the Earth and themselves, they would have, belatedly, proved to have been a flaw in evolution :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dashiell roars in victory over his fallen enemy.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(empathy)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a pretty big if, Ana.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not from where I am looking. Have you read the impact of fragging yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the aquifers that are so contaminated that produce flammable water? Tell me if we are not heading for extinction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, since our sun is headed for extinction eventually ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not.  At least not by virtue of environmental concerns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, not fragging, fracking :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the ecosystem cannot sustain the assault by humans indefinitely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some buddhists sweep the path in front of them as they walk so as to avoid stepping upon or killing any insects -- (that may be a tad excessive, simply look and avoid the insects, no need to sweep)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Earth will long have been inhospitable by the time the sun lets loose with its ultimate silent-but-deadly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, Hanslanda. What does that have to be with now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to do*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I bet they made the broom from a dead branch too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, you could think of the radioactive pollution from the Ukraine and Japan as "natural" events. In which case, the ecosystem is in fine shape :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, that is a perverted (re)definition of "natural"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'one of them was triggered by a natural event anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, you mean that the "natural" reactor was victimized by the tsunami. I get you, ElFeneri :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'No, I mean the tsunami was a natural event. Logical result of an earthquake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'One can of course argue that everything humans do are unnatural even though we were the result of nature itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'tsunamis are natural events, the reactors they might destroy are not natural elements of the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(organic farming is more natural than farming with excess chemicals)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'farming in and of itself is unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but your natural farm wouldn't be there if it wasn't for humans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for instance, the comet that hit the Earth during the KT boundary killed all the land dwelling dinosaurs. That's a natural event. Dropping nuclear bombs on a section of the planet and wiping all life would be considered a natural event only by changing the definition of the word "natural".'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that which preserves nature and the ecosystem is likely (more) natural (than that with destroys the ecosystem)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why the problem with hunting? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Anaristos, you are disregarding the timeline'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am certainly not going not delve inot the metaphysics of WMDs :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'into*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world overpopulation is excessive, too many humans, the desire to hunt is a disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rats don't destroy the environment when their populations explode. They take care of it in a way we don't even notice it has happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless hunting humans to reduce the overpopulation -- but that is too barbaric when there are more benign options'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so your genocide to solve overpopulation scenario is a bit over the top.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is it a natural event if some predator animal eat all individs of an entire species?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very much so.  It's a classic sign that something is wrong with your ecosystem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if the predator eats in such a way that the ecosystem can no longer support it, then it is obviously an evolutionary dead end.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or something is wrong witht he species that was exterimnated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Apocalypse according to St John does suggest that option to reduce world overpopulation {"two were in a field, one was taken, one was left" (taken==killed)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so if this predator is intelligent enoug to realize that a specific species will die out if they keep on eating it, then it's not a natural event if they keep on eating it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is why it is speculated that the dinosaurs would have died anyway even without the comet, because they were eating themselves into extinction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, because the environment enforces a system of checks and balances.  A predator species will never, by itself, get to a point where their population comes close to the prey population.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the prey species is sick, the predator species will be sick.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, what is checking and balancing huamans?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'most species that has lived on earth died out long before humans came'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not blaming humans for the death of the dinosaurs. But I can blame them for the extinction of the do do and others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by "natural"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rhinos will soon be gone, elephants are on the way out, there is a long list of animals that humans have exterminated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it seems as if humans do something it's unnatural, but if a lion does something it's natural. Or a comet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, that's true, ElFeneri.  But it works to support my point.  With biodiversity, you introduce adaptation so that the ratio of predator to prey stays constant relative to the entire group.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if one predator species decimates a prey species, another prey species will rush into the void.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you can get picky about what "natural" is. It is true that anything that happens is natural because if it were not natural it would not occur. I am, however, using "natural" to mean as flowing harmoniously within the ecosystem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, many humans are a disease that is/are destroying the biodiversity of this planet '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the ecosystem is not something that is static even if you remove humans. Some species will evolve and become better, others will evolve into dead ends and die out. Either because they were outrivalled or because they were a evolutionary mistake in another way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(conjecture) from the perspective of God, something drastic may be requireed to be done '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I undertand that, ElFeneri.  I have never claimed that the ecosystem is static. But if your going to claim that dropping nuclear bombs is part of the ecosystem gestalt, I am sorry, I am not going to go along.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade recommends euthanisation of most of the human race
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm not saying that dropping nukes is "natural" in any way. I was just trying to argue in different ways to see where you draw your line about what is natural and what is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Most?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Nominates Zade Supreme Leader'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nukes are essentially man-made impact events.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'spreading radioactive poisons are the human race saying to God "Total euthanisation please."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the worst one so far merely almost wiped out life on Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would be most unnatural if we would direct a nuke towards an oncoming comet that would otherwise wipe out all life on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but nature would probably be grateful'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'even if unknowingly so'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, yes, and no. That would be a good usage of a nuclear device, it would be used to preserve the ecosystem rather than to destroy it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'One thing Nature will never be is grateful'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can shoot them at it, but we don't have a combined arsenal big enough to nudge it around.  If one is aimed at Earth, we're going to be hellishly rained on by either a giant entity (the comet, as-is) or lots of little pieces still travelling head-on towards earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'destroying the comet would not change the ecosystem, it would prevent the ecosystem from being changed. A subtle distinction, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, for the sake of my argument, we can send up a deep see drilling team to the comet that will place it inside the comet. Then it will work. :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could put an engine on the comet and make it veer :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sea*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'zee*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that your average dangerous comet is the size of a small island :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you have to forgive me, I'm not native english speaker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't yet have that capability, even if Hollywood thinks we do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Let's hope we don't have to find out we don't have the capability.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or this mud is over'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thogh, when Hale comet came by, the Soviets did land a camera on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'all my grinding will be for naught'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to even get to the comet, we'd have to go really, really fast.  That's the first problem we'd encounter, as our rocket fuel options are still horribly slow and inefficient.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Before we can't have a capability, Hollywood must have the capability to make us think we do have the capability. I think ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, thanks everyone. It was an interesting discussion but it's bedtime in GMT+1.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not a problem, Hanslanda. Once in space, the rocket would not slow down. So since the path of the comet can be predicted accurately, a rocket can be sent even when the comet hasn't even generated a tail.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Wait Isn't that Pelucidar?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos just propositioned ElFeneri, the nerve of that perv.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by the time we get there, though, it will have gotten a tail'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not quite what I had in mind :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri :-P
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, what I mean is that you can start the rocket on its way 4 or 5 years before the comet becomes a danger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we see it at that point.  That's not a likely scenario if we didn't know it was out there in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '4 to 5 years advance warning -- you are dreaming'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we even know what comets will be dicey in the 2020s and 2030s'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those we already know about we can plot against in hundreds of years timeframes, though practically (politically) speaking we'd probably only ever be operating on 10-20 year frames.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we'd probably waste a lot of that time on remote solutions that fail.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno.. can you milk it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is weird al yankovic married to a celebrity?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean... not just ANYONE can have a cash cow'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''cause if YOU had one... and I had one... then MY cash wouldn't be worth as much'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean there HAS to be a loser in the equation somewhere, or there can't be a winner'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Von oh. like in that movie where peoples time/lifespans were on their wrists'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... that movie made me uneasy'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why? you felt exploited?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... just the pure 'bleakness' of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what about that other movie, training day, where that cop gets high and beats up his partner after almost being raped?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it was pretty bleak too'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'din't see that one'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or that movie ' firing the last shot' where that guy (Spoiler alert) kills his friend to end a war'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'din't see that one either'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. wow. you sure dont watch many movies'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'did you see finding nemo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fair amount.. just not all of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watched thatone in the background'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it was bleak too'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what about twilight, where a young flat chick with a dead mother and a cop for a father chooses between necrophelia and bestiality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and assumably, her psychoanalytical side identified more with the corpse because it reminded her of her dead mother.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh wait, my bad. her mom isnt dead, just divorced'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya...  I watched those... buy my kids didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'X.X i guess i need sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh von. hey remember that one apolcalypse thing where in the days leading up to the final time, men will seek death, and it will fly out from them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'does that remind you much of those nifty emo chicks at all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't say it rings a bell'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or what do you think of when you see a nifty emo chick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von oh. you must've not been brought up near a bible much .'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von, well, im gonna go take a nap, i feel ugly without my beauty sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'have a good night'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude hugs Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.... I thought you were sitll talking about movies with "..remember that one apolcalypse thing"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'just the regular apocalypse thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'not the mayan , not the zombie, not the y2k'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rev 9:6'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von wouldn't it be fun to see the apocalypse?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... because I won't be here'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'like that'd have some awesome special effects right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anyhow, nite bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'night'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, it's sort of the way AOL works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's a little fracking among friends.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what do you have tonight Von?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a belly full of ribeye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of that grass fed free-range crap either'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '100% N.Iowa corn-fed Angus'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds good'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had sushi myself'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taters wern't so hot, though... Wife has gotten it into her head that she needs to lose a few pounds if she wants to stay a size 6... she made some kind of "baked tater salad"... was pretty dry'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sushi's pretty rightous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Mmmm onion fed beeffalo *drool*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite X-fflo's reputaion from poor marbling... the onion part sounds pretty tasty.  We had to be sure and keep the dairy cows out of the onions growing up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had never thought that it would come thru in the meat as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'makes sensem, though.. lot of sugar there too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Can they eat garlic? Would be interesting to see what would happen to the taste if you throw in a garlic in their food every day :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it doesn't create a strong flavor but a definate undertoned that works well with butter or cream based sauces'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no idea about the garlic but if they would eat it and its not harmfull would be interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about that story Dash posted on (Imm)?  about the soccer ref.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Some things that happen in the world is just too strange to understand'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'such as why a referee carries a weapon during a game'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and that he kills a player, and then, the friends and/or relatives of the victim not only kills the referee in turn, but decapitates him and places the head on a pole in the middle of the soccer field.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who knows... but like someone said... he was likely expecting trouble... wether he went looking for it, or it came to him isn't clear'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got in a small bit of trouble in town the other day.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's hard to say, but if my brother was stabbed to death by a referee I certainly wouldn't place his head on a pike.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what happened?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hard to say how I would react*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a knife that i've carried with me for about 6 years... it's a fairly high end Dalton Auto - 4.5 inch blade, S30V steel, laser cut G10 scales... a really nice knife.. sent to me free by the man himself during my first deplyment.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in most states, automatic knives are not legal except for LEO and Military....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and even then, they're only SUPPOSED to be carried when you're "on the job"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the military wants to have all the fun for themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but at least you have an excuse for owning one.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recently retired form the military, and had never considered that I ought to NOT carry that knife anymore.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'after you pull on your socks in the morning you place the knife in your pocket?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty much, ya.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THEN put my underwear on'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'first thing first :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had some business in the County Courthouse (small town - county seat)... you have to go thru a metal detector to get to some parts of the courthouse....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I emptied my pockets like I had befor.. handed the knife to the old fart sitting at the desk (he'll hold stuff like that for you till your done).....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '15-20 minutes later, when I came back thru to get my stuff, there was a state trooper waiting for me... the old fart had been sitting there playing with it and cought the notice of the trooper.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You've got my attention.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ended up in the holding cell adjacent to the courtroom (no court that day) while the trooper ran my bonifides....  in the end, I got my knife back with a suggestion that I park it in my gun safe, but he could have taken it and ran me in for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm not sure what would happen if I carried that sort of thing here, and I don't want to find out either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I still carry it, but I took the spring out, so it's just a manual locking blade knife, now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, that seems logical'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a bit suprised that a blade that "locks" is the line between legal and not legal in alot of states'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many states also have a legth limit to locking knives'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think the enthusiasm of talking about knives should be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pick another topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'apple jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jew jaws'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why only jews can tell the hardcore jew jokes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'do we really have nothing else to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't know your not jewish... let'r rip'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, only (members of group) can tell the hardcore (members of group) jokes -- an exception is usually made for blondes and rednecks'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'unless...they aren't around'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you can tell whatever joke you want to :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'aint that like talking about the amish on the radio?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'blonde rednecks get away with saying most things then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahha... I see what you did there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'blondes dont have a sense of humour. nor rednecks. its our duty to do it all for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excellent demonstration of word-twistology'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'btw, shouldn't rednecks be the only ones allowed to joke about rednecks? Except for blondes of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'most blondes are blondes by choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'rednecks are white, and everyone can make fun of white people '
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's the rule on that, more or less'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... anyone can tell a joke on a redneck... that's the main reason the term 'redneck' exists... how often to you hear the term 'redneck' when it's NOT in a joke?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all the time, actually'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frequently, and often as a self-description'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'board'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no worries, I do that all the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did hear back... not alot of details though.  I just dind't get enough votes'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds interesting though'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tried out for So You Think You Can Dance?, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"are you smarter than a fifth grader, actually"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's difficult for most ppl not in school'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, they have voting on that show?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll start over in a few days and see if I can't get more interviews... perhaps you'll be available =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really got to just leave the channel when there's no debate going'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan,... AGAIN'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, I already know I'm not smarter than a fifth grader.  I would've won if it weren't for those meddling kids!'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari throws back his head and howls in profound frustration!
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stupid debate competition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i lost to a team that had no points, with adjudicaters that provided no feedback, even after tagging their speech as "constructive feedback"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'How exactly do you compete in debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'talk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'their whole speech was: "the margin was close, both teams were good, we gave the win to 'team'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't understand where it becomes a competition'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you give a speech that defines the motion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and then go into points(what happens if you do or do not do it)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the speaker after you has to rebutt your points and provide their own.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Ok, sounded like two teams starts off with opposite opinions, and the team that sways the other team to their side wins.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the debate is judged by adjudicaters.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who judge by manner, method and matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( adjudicators... )
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thanks for correction'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari gallantly tips his hat to SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I figured that was it after googling it. I'm not native speaker so I wasn't familiar with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos beams a smile at Jopari.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '+english*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the thing is, the adjudicators in our debate gave us nothing. not even why we won or lost.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they were supposed to, part of rules, need to justify win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I've done 9 cps today. Feels like it's enough of that :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'bah, mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'smile elfe'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari beams a smile at ElFeneri.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I usually only mischan on ct. This is a new experience.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'guess I was inspired by Von earlier'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'this proves I can change'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'guess the lowest speaker score around.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '5?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the lowest any debator can possibly get'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '69'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '3 sir! 3!'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is if you stand and immediately sit down'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, sounds like a pretty high score'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'average is 75'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'why not normalize it to 0 then? The lowest I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the adjudicators gave us 50'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they're used to it I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the scoring marks thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, strictly normalizing it would make it 1 not 0. '
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they gave us a negative score, for each and everyone'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when in an international debate, we all got 80++'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'round one was fine, the guys were good to debate against.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'round 3 absolutely sucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'none of the adjudicators knew how to debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all were teachers and lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'forestalling question: don't lawyers know how to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'each team of three must provide a definition, stance mechanism and so on'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'yeah they are master debaters'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'lawyers don't need definition'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stance is simple: we believe he is guilty/innocemt'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'mech? exonerate/condemn'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'one thing lawyers don't belive in is right or wrong anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because of this, with these adjudicators they only care about statistics'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they believe in them, El.  Just not particular applications of those concepts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I don't reckon there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in the end, mechanism, stance, points and definition don't matter. if you give more stats, you win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and since there are no debators, no one objects, instead follow his lead'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'debators as adjudicators i mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'signing off, bye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'byebye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no rest, no peace, only double xp!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Any Swedes on to explain why your government just went full retard?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'swedish kitty is very persuasive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'too much immigration>'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm talking about vetoing EU investigations into US espionage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'As an American who is appalled at recent US actions, why the hell veto that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that everyone with a decent intelligence department is doing exactly the same thing, and have been for the past 40 years, very few want to ruffle too many feathers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Really? Everyone's been using pressure with US-based internet companies in order to gain access to essentially the entire world's emails?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This is news to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They're all spying on whomever they wish to be spying on.  We probably even sold them all the tools to do so, and invited their spooks and spocks to seminars on best practices.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The US has actually been rather dickish about espionage since the cold war ended.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the golden rule of espionage is that it doesn't matter what you do so long as you don't get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, the cia even put out ads for mba grads to apply '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Only they were caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, Vamp, in video games.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Their pants were down and their shrunken willy was photographed several times for all the world to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And Germany is currently going 'wait, you're breaking our internet laws against our citizens'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And everyone else is kind of pissed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And then Sweden looks up long enough from licking that shriveled penis to go 'NO INVESTIGATION''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US can spy. They also have to take the consequences now that they have been caught. Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr, the thing is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sweden is trying to mitigate it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'For no reason I can see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We like to spy on our citizens too. We are just upfront about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the thing.  What consequences?  If the US isn't at the forefront of capability, it means someone else is doing exactly what they were doing and have yet to get caught.  If we have no peer, chances are good that too many others are depending on us and it makes no sense to cut up your safety net.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Again, you are assuming we're all nice and friendly like the cold war is still going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, no trade agreement with the EU, no exhange of information, to start with'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The US is currently number one at spying on everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well, the warsaw pact fell apart and the country containing warsaw joined nato'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And they're not really sharing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well, cyanogen mod is similar to a forked source right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon rips Hanslanda's strap-on off her crotch, proving they're a WOMAN!
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Aha! It's actually an NSA shill!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mostly joking here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If germany and france get really pissed, they could leave the NATO, and kick the US out of europe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're too tied up in pretty much anything for that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't bet on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would likely take more for it to happen, but it could.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Germany is very good at these things. If they make up their mind. And so is france.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, germanys intelligence agency building isnt even hardened against electronic spying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything could happen, yes.  Nobody will actually let it happen, though, because they don't want to step up in all the areas our presence vacated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU could be a new military power, that could fill that void.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think they're even privately coddling us strictly so that we don't become a giant Israel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ranrr nah, they have a musical chairs method of leadership. how can they order military force about if they dont even know who the leader will be in 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Things can change, quickly. Just look at europe in the 30s.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, uh, israel's a democracy with all sorts of good media coverage, why would it be bad to become such?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, Europe's doing pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Very similar problems in europe in the 30s and now. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Israel is rather cowboyish and unafraid to act independantly (however covertly that must be)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Israel is the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Israel is not a democracy. Israel is a republic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't confuse non-contact insemination with asexuality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does anyone think a 'fully space capable' china is a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'because it will convince everyone else to get their butts back in gear re: space development'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok...  so it's "good" as a motivator...'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's sort of like saying that "getting swept away by a flood is a good motivator for building an arc"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it would be good if '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it would be good if "everyone else" saw the rain coming down hard in time to BUILD an arc'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2013/07/06/soccer-referee-decapitated-brazil-stabbing-maranhao/2495199/'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we discussed that at length yesterday. Where were you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outside'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'discussed yesterday...  determined to be messed up'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'how was it Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out-what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there is no air condition in this outside you are talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no air conditioning anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grew up in one of those 'unwieldly' climates where the -40°f winters preclude A/C in homes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite 80% humidity and 80-90°f summers'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get hot enough to require ac for the few days if tops 80'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-40 is really bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not seeing much interesting in the news this morning'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more islamic attacks in Nigeria, more violence in Egypt, Turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and bad pilots trying to land in SFO'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really news, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay rights activists beat up street preachers'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A Mexican police chief killed in Jalisco earlier in the year is the latest murder victim of the Department of Justice's Fast and Furious program'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it becaomes clear that the murder weapon was one of the rifles shipped to Mexican drugs cartels by the US government'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... on my browser, the google results for "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers" show "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'errr.... no... wait'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... on my browser, the google results for "gay rights activists beat up street preachers" show "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me, not like it's returning results in any sane order'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the full text that was clipped is "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers Attacked At Seattle Pride"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"results in propoganda and vested interest-tweaked order"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wisconsin have implemented an abortion law similar one to the one temporarily blocked in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Latest tests of the Pentagon's latest $214m missile defence system (Boeing) shows a hit rate of just 50%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and a mother at a new york country club had the polce called on her because she was breastfeeding her child, the police claiming that her black backpwack indicated they were terrorists, and that in Sri Lanka, babies are used by terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breast feeding isn't a public activity (not even touching the terrorist angle there)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe with a little discretion'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... not relating it to the terroist story'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a story about police stupidity and liberal propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just in general...  breast feeding is a private activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breast feeding is no more a private activity as eating is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'keep it under wraps'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't strip off to breastfeed, you know, you wouldn't know it was going on unless you were looming over their shoulder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's "eating", and then there's "eating with your mouth wide open"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eating - good..... eating with your mouth wideopen - bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're going to call the police because someone is eating with their mouth wide open?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were even outside'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but security will come if you're walking thru a mall with your tit hanging out'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the cops soon backed off when they determined the terrorist with explosive breast milk was a member of the Belgian diplomatic mission in the UN'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... not relating it to the story... just saying in general.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breast feeding is accepted everywhere here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in America has it been demonised'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read into that what you will'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cover it up with something'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, a baby'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your story was from america'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so american rules apply'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no rules apply'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not illegal, it's purely a reaction caused by social malconditioning'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'social norms... there a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we generally frown on public nudity in the US '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't public nudity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tit hanging out - nuditiy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd see less than you would with a woman and a low cut top'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not too much to ask to cover it up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the problem here, do you just hate women? are you a racist or something?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh dear'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not racits... I think that all colors of tits should be kept discretely covered'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the are, so your argument falls at that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by all means - feed the baby... but be discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breastfeeding is almost always discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never seen anyone breastfeeding in an indiscrete way'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think he's talking about the ones that are not discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a woman riding the bus with both tits hanging out swapinging the baby from one to the other is not proper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrest cows for suckling their young!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned terrorist cows!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... you just gave up the debate with that cow comment'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep, cows are killed for that. That's why most cows end up on the dinner table.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'arrest the cows in saudi arabia! '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the couple asked and were allowed to go out onto a quiet terrace outside the main restaurant, they were being discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument isn't about discretion, it's about ignorant twerps thinking breastfeeding is evil, and linked to terrorist activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There can't be many in the world that associate breastfeeding with terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american left do, elf'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seperated my issue from the terrorist story... I havn't even read the terrorist story... I'm just talking about breast feeding in general'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you've said that as long as it's discrete you don't mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what are you still arguing for?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best move onto other matters, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Conservative party in the UK are tearing themselves up - they are currently in a coalition with the Liberal Democrats, The Labour party have a 6% lead in the polls, and with current polling trends, UKIP will take sufficient votes off them to guarantee a majority Labour government at the next election'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the conservatives won't do a deal with UKIP and won't change their crap policies, so are literally digging their own grave'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K - I just didn't wanna miss that part... it's my fav'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-government protests in Peru now'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Europe's green-energy schemes, pushed by dodgy science via the UN, are the favourite target for Italian mafia money laundering, a new report shows'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bond yields are going up, interest ratings going up, many many people are going to go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I only have one marker out... and it's locked at 2.75%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, public don't have money to invest in bonds, all their money is ripped from them by the government to pay out of chavs in welfare'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you wanted to buy a house... I think the boat is about to sail'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't remind me, i'm two years out from even affording the deposit, which means my chances of ever having somewhere to live are evaporating in the face of a laughing corrupt beurocrat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas the lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe it will spark some panic buying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'panic buying? my lovely government put in a loan guarantee scheme to get buyers buying NEW houses, further pumping up the bubble'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of US market'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two work in a similar way'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't even think you were allowed to own a home in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble is UK housing market never 'collapsed''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the prices remained catastrophically high after 2008, they basically remained static for a few years, so inflation was starting to gradually deflate it, but it was a really slow process'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that has ended and stuff is flying up again'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought everyone lived in dingy, crappy little tenant buildings'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone bar the ruling/corporate elite, and an ever-smaller portion of the upper middle class do'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are still people over the age of 50 who have homes that were bought when things were sensible who are hanging on to their homes, but taxes are making their life increasingly difficult'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in sod huts in the highlands'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, people don't own homes in the UK, in the same way that people in the USA don't own homes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"home ownership" is still a practical endatate in the US - quite common'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you own the home, not the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence you can be charged property taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The US has a LOT of rural space'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which Agenda 21 will prevent you building on'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in Germany.. if you want to build a house in a town, you will build it in "the place where houses are being built now"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't own your house unless you have an Allodial title to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is basically what i was saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old Nazi Germany, they're well up on the whole planned economy thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like good little globalists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in canada, it's not enough to BELIEVE you are in danger befor defending yourself... a court has to decide wether you were in ACTUAL danger or not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the states... it varies widely from state to state... some states are like canada, but in other states, it's enough that you believe you are in danger... very hard to disprove what you believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like disproving 'lower back pain''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need to disprove lower back pain?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you have to prove you were in actual danger, if the level of proof was that high, then you have no right to defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"lower back pain".... goes like this:  "I can't work because I have lower back pain... I need disability and welfare"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...and'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a scan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to " I got my arm cut off in an industrial accident"... one can be substantiated, the other can not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that's sort of the point... you can scan all you want, and the scan will not say "lower back pain"... the scan can be perfectly normal, yet the individual can still CLAIM lower back pain'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only an issue in a system where welfare is a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or perceived as a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo... it is an issue in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'very difficult form of fraud to prove'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see why would you would be giving either just because of lower back pain'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT is the correlation between "I believed I was in danger"...  it is very difficult to objectively evaluate what someone 'believes''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's the world of difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depending on situation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone is defending themselves on their own property, the burden of proof should be very low'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it is.. in some states'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're a cop on the street, the burden of proof should be very high'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in others, you have to really convince a court that there was REAL danger... not just precieved danger'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the law needs to take context into consideration'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something it has a habit of failing to do'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather... the court has to prove that there was NOT real danger... still innocent until proven guilty... mostly'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the burden of proof is low, simpler to commit murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"hate" is another one that can be dicey... Many crimes in America now have a "Hate" modifier applied... if you beat someone, you get 5 years... if you beat someone with "hate", you get 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in american courts, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is a democrat/left/fake liberal thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... but still al reality'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's used as a means of unfairly tipping the scale to push an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the burden of proof is low, some cops are more like likely to be trigger happy and do reckless homicide'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'often times, a difference in race between the two parties is enough "proof" to attach "hate" crime to the sentence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not relevent and should be struck from the books'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed.. .but it will not be struck any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not before the revolution, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you coming across the pond when the shooting starts?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said anything about shooting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll set you up with a gun and a couple boxes of bullets'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll probably be a bit busy defending and feeding myself where i am'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts couch-potato seems to be advocating and suggesting "revolution" in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... if it all goes to hell in the UK, you'll get shot right away... best to come here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no more likely here than there'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe here you'll get a few shots off first'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, there's more wide open places to get lost in here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you need is a change of government and a shake up of the way it works'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no need to go Mad Max'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF I were in charge of starting a revolution (not I said "IF", Zade), I'd much rather do it in the US than in England.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what is the assurance that any new government is not going to be as incompetent and corrupt as the previous governments (to hear you guys debate so defectively, no assurance)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over time you have to be vigilante, but it might buy you another couple of hundred years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... none at all.  Just a roll of the dice.  That's why it'd have to be pretty bad to start one.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad my arse, gets much worse than it is now you'll have nothing to lose'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the people lose it all, they lose it'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No guarantee it won't get worse, e.g. french or russian revolution'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't, but that's like refusing treatment for an illness just incase it doesn't help'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think so... I, and most everyone I know is living pretty well, and will continue to do so.  we have plenty of food.  gas is cheaper than anywhere in the wetern world, everyone has highspeed internet and cable/sat TV... two cars... life is pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you live a sheltered existance'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the sky is falling" yells Chicken Little'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what happens when you live in a place that is using force to make other people sustain your lifestyle. Don't bet on it lasting forever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I live the existence I have chosen... I worked hard, live within my means... pay my taxes...  I grumble, and everything isn't the way I WANT it, but life in the US is just grand.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what happens when it's not possible to leave within your means?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You were lucky to be in the minority to be born into prosperity (as was I).'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the end of the world is coming" says another doomsdayprophet'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said anything about the world?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will always live within my means.. I think you ment "what happens when my quality of life drops"... I don't see it dropping too much... I still have a pretty good buffer.  Also, at some point, welfare will colapse.  That won't take a revolution to fix'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if welfare collapses, your quality of life will drop like a stone'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the bond market collapses your quality of life will drop like a tone'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if youse did not debate so badly, there may be hope  (hahahahahaha)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i wouldn't worry, zade, plenty of analogue music in a post-collapse society'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd be more worried about how the US will manage post oil. Or post phosporous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one of three things will happen - freeloaders will riot and kill all the earners...  freeloaders will be forced to become earners....  or freeloaders will all starve to death.  I stand a better than even chance of not getting killed, so I'm doing pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are you'll be dead before it comes to a head'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of old age, or violence?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'age or illness'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my kids will haev to deal with it, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, that's why it's poor form to take an "i'm alright jack" attitude'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the kind of thing Zade does'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decently recorded analog music playback requires a lot of technology to produce'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I say "i'm all right", I mean "me and mine"... I do everything I can to set my children up for success.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a post-apocalyptic word is no fun, i refuse o reincarnate there'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimately.. they'll have to make their own way...  but they will have the tools to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll be dead in 30 years or so, and have no kids, so then I don't need to worry, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a post-apocalyptic world is no fun, i refuse to reincarnate there --'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'crap!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can still bitch, though... we don't mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can quite happily take to view of turning the whole place into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of the real fun problems of the world will happen after I die. Like end of oil, global warming and end of modern farming (phosphor deposit ends).'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to live longer just to see how we solve those problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil. won't end anytime soon and will find other methods of creating it. global warming isn't a threat to civilisation, and end of modern farming? i'm sure they'll find other sources of phosphorus'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the world population will adjust to match food output'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will because people are being poisoned'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'environmental pollution'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... there you go'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oil will end in 30 yeaers. Global warming denial is just silly. And I agree, we will find new (old) ways to produce food,.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl 30 years, it'll be 250 at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming doesn't pose a threat to human life'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, 30 years of current usage. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'actually. all these oil and warming stuff is kinda weak problems. education is the worst one really. most of people are just starting to move out from stone age.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an unstopped comet plunging into the planet (because the technology was not discovered invented produced) (because you humans are too expletives deleted) ..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You may believe what you want about global warming. Fortunately science isn't decided by the debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'science also isn't decided by the scientists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd be more worried about a plague'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My View:  Global warming is happening - and has happened many times prior to the advent of humantiy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Real science is. Not he stuff used by politicians or published in newspapers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'But has it happened to this scale?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced global warming is adding to the natural global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about antibiotic resistent bugs caused by an addiction to antibiotics, bugkiller-resistant pests caused by our dependancy on poison and GMO'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Last time was 100 million years ago. No humans or other mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... there's fossil records of palm trees in the arctic'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Palm trees in the artic? Sounds awesome'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't forget continental drift :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might be if you're in the arctic... I woulnd't want to be near the equator, thoguh'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. the devil put these there to confuse us.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Global weather isn't driven by Al Gore's corrupt business plans, it's driven by solar conditions'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'always a popular notion'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh i wouldn't worry, i plan on moving to Ontario anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a common misconception by global warming deniers, TN, unfortunately, the science doesn't back it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really, Ranrr? Take away the sun and see what the weather does'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced CO2 production is slightly acidifying the Oceans and causing oceanic devastion of important life-forms (oxygen regeneration) -- can't blame that man-produced CO2 acidification on natural global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... I thinks you need a course in systems thinking if you think a single variable decides how a system acts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that what you're doing, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all CO2 fanatics are doing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man made CO2 drives climate change!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debaste if you believe a single poison can't kill you, you are mistaken'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some do. Not the real scientists.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was an issue, people would be going hell for leather preserving the vegetation we have, growing as many new forests as possible, especially rain forests, converting desert and scrub to productive scrubbers, and exchanging fossil fuel power generation out for non-Co2 emitting solutions. Since none of those things are actually happening, it clearly is a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of those were ever tabled'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that seems sort of a circular argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You assume people act rationally, with a long term view.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'since people aren't doing stuff, it's a fraud and therefore we shouldn't do stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not circular at all, majic, since there is no return on the power cycle'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I believe you think global warming is a fraud, because it's inconvenient to change your lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the man-produced extra global warming (added to natural global warming) is heating up the Oceans slightly, and that also is causing some Oceanic devastation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... what does that have to do with the circularity of your current argument?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I agree, it is inconvenient.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite happy to change my lifestyle, Ranrr, but since the laws and changes put into effect for the purposes of averting global warming... actually make global warming worse, tell me exactly what it is i'm supposed to be doing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is two factors: Oceanic acidification and Oceanic warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the polar regions are melting at a slightly faster rate -- that is going to translate into coastal submerging and or devastation somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"cash for clunkers" is a perfect example of the artificial and profitable nature of "political support for global warming".... "trade in your gas-guzzling clunker car for a shiny new energy efficient car, and the govenment will give you $5,000 towards your new car!".... the realitiy is that the carbon impact that the panet takes for making one of those new cars FAR outstrips the carbon impact of the clunker going down the road for another 10 years... it was all about stimulating the economy, but cleverly hidden is a nice green package.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, your coal power station is producing too much CO2, well that's fine, we can fix that by bankrupting the coal power plants, making people unemployed, and instead importing the energy from another country where it is produced using coal power, because it's SOMEONE ELSE'S CO2, that doesn't count, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, vonliege, that's a good example'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What's that, nuclear reactors? Nah, those are horrible. Let's build some Coal plants instead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 'throw away all the lightbulbs and replace them with mercury ones''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cutting down of the rain forests is not assisting Oxygen regeneration either'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish I knew what to do. Not denying science would be a start. But I agree that politicians are stupid and make the wrong decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, cash for clunkers was a fucking moronic idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I use public transport instead of having my own car :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wouldn't say they're stupid, just greedy and corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, public transport is not available in a lot of places, especially in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I wish I lived in a city where that was reasonable, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'or at least in a section of the city where that was reasonable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'it's true, it's only seen in large cities'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nuclear accidents and the deployment of depleted uranium (to contaminate local areas) is already causing increased birth defects '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deal with co2 from government and industry first, only then come after the people'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm in a city of over a million. Spread out over a metric buttload of square units.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, how can we reduce co2 from government? how about not flying all these military aircraft everywhere bombing brown people?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ironically, Zade, if we had a central repository far away from where people live (like, say, Yucca mountain), we'd have less issues.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But they are terrorists, TN!! :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their goats especially, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm in a city of 20k, but we don't even have a greyhound station -- the nearest train station is 20 miles away. So if you don't have a car, well, you're never leaving town except when you catch a ride or if you're a good biker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'they're only terrorists when we don't back them lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you buy a new car from Japan, check for radioactivity -- at least 1% of cars from Japan are radioactive (says the Lemon-Aid book)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Probably not significantly more radioactive than a banana.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's the same here, Majic'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And definitely well under the RDA of ionizing radiation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the type of radiation and where it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, if it's alpha, you don't have to worry about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'anything else, you still check HOW MUCH radiation there is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'last i heard Japan is still dealing with radiation from the Fukushima incident'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because, protip. Everything is radioactive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Including you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah Morinon, you ride in those radioative cars before procreating, what's a little extra radiation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Depends on the actual rate, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because I go by actual education, not fearmongering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What's the daily radiation you're going to get from it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the scientific evidence is this: Smoking does not cause any harm to health'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you can show correlation between driving a japanese car and a birth defect, I might take notice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon, tell that to those parents that spawned those extra birth-defective children'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Really? Citation please.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'google'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No. You came up with the evidence, it is upon you to produce it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen plenty of evidence of birth defects as a result of DU ammo expended by the US in Iraq, also seen plenty of evidence of toxic levels of radiation in fish in the aftermath of Japan's earthquake, not heard anything about cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, correlation does not imply causation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, it doesn't, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But it does suggest you look more closely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There's always going to be some level of birth defects, and when it's your kid that comes out with the birth defect, it's very easy to start trying to blame everything and anything around you instead of random acts of probability.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or than the fact that you didn't have kids until your late 30s, a high risk factor for birth defects.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraq'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm pretty sure Majic is responding to this 'Japanese car' scare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DU ammo was banned in 1940s for a reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it's still random as to which upper-thirties will be having them'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'quite true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, I'm responding to xyliz, not you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$1.5bn in US feorign aid for Egypt next year must now be cancelled under Section 508 of the Foreign Assistance Act and the 2011 omnibu bill that excludes aid from  any nation experiencing a coup d'etat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically then they should not be aiding Libya'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Technically the NSA should not be grabbing everyone's emails (4th amendment)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically they shouldn't have been running federal and state car checkpoints over the 4th july'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Associated Press estimates that about 1 percent of new Japanese cars shipped into South America are radioactive" (2013 Lemon-Aid p157)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Link plox?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'given this: http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Japan-radiation-tiny-rise-in-cancer-risk-4319144.php'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm inclined to dismiss your claims unless you can provide stronger evidence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Mori - you forget - debate isn't about citing sources.  It's about claiming anything!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'http://answers.edmunds.com/question-Is-there-any-reason-for-concern-about-radioactivity-in-Japanese-cars-I-m-specifically-interested-in-Infiniti-133111.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xaeris: I'm bringing actual debate back, instead of yelling contests.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or you can go the other direction...he didn't specify HOW radioactive or what kind of radiation...it's more likely that all cars are radioactive regardless of origin'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"There are many auto-suppliers on Fukushima's doorstep that distribute parts world-wide, including the Detroit Three." (2013 Lemon-Aid p157)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoon advert: "Yessir, the car is HOT and it Glows in the dark." (License plate "FU---KU")'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lemon-aid is widely known for bias against certain vehicle manufacturers and off-topic rants'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's evidently not really known for anything approaching scientific rigour.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, it's one guy's 'how to buy a used car' guide'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zade, unless those auto-parts were built inside the goddamned reactor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They're not significantly dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To you or those poor things you consider zygotes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/metro-rips-out-phantom-planters-flowers-at-dupont-circle-station/2013/07/06/4220cef4-e5ce-11e2-80eb-3145e2994a55_story.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heh. nsa recruitment or smthing: https://soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-question-the-nsa-at'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a good sound clip'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, some of the evasive answers from the NSA spokespeople are laughable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we are not political" who the fuck are they trying to kid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hollywood was placed under martial law with the discovery of a third bomb. Fortunately it turned out to be "Lone Ranger", another crap movie'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like World War Z is going to make the UN, woops I mean Paramount a whopping loss'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not looking forward to the sequel, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't watch it in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want to watch a movie without the propaganda sticking in my throat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we know how to utterly defeat the zombie apocalypse.  Just pull everyone's teeth so they can't bite you, like North Korea did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm seeing an awful lot of these going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american banks are whinging about the federal tax breaks credit unions get'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish we had credit unions over here, mortgages might be a bit more affordable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't the trayvon martin case ended already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not even close... then there will be appeals (inbetween riots) and more trials... then it will all get topped off with a wrongdul death civil suit'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least a year to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe more'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they need to get over it, not gun death is murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not every*'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is my personal opinion that it should have never gotten past the "stand your ground" aspect... but it had a LOT of visibility, and I didn't have all the information that the judge did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I suspect very poor judgement on Zimmermans end. But I'm not seeing a 2nd degree murder at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it did, black person down and the perpetrator was not a cop, so instantly it's high profile'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... I fear that since the courts have become political extensions, he will be found guilty on principal, rather than justice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know how the media likes to make any crime against a black person by a white person a racist hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or perhaps he will be found guilty simply to forstall the riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm surprised they haven't highlighted zimmerman's membership of far right neonazi groups, or linked him to patriot movements'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he has been linked to rightwing politics, if not extremist right wing action groups'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh well, clearly he must be a guilty racist murderer then'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but there wasn't enough to make hay with'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better put his whole family in jail just incase'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think he will be found begrudginly innocent, with enough malice to maybe not have riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, they'll throw the book at him in exactly the same way UK courts threw the book at Tony Martin here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is also guilty of a hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which type of hate is that? hate of marmite?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a hate of black people nicking his stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen both defender and victim here, the human race is not making a great loss in either case as far i can see, so it's really the principle that is being argued'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you obviously looked at the victim though racist goggles'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't wear goggles, i already wear glasses'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think the media took care of that part when trying to describe a hispanic as a white dude..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, nods'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are the stand your ground rules in florida?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(presume this is florida it's happening, right?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is guilty of first (and or second) degree murder (and the hate crime)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are drawing conclusions that are not implied by the facts'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lol, troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hate was premeditated, the murder was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had you been in court, you'd now be done for perjury'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove hate existed, prove the murder was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the facts are  Zimmerman went hunting with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'did he have his war paint on and do a tribal dance too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, conclusions with no basis in fact. Zimmerman was armed, where is the evidence he was going hunting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'AcidAngel, are you attempting to inbsult the Amerindians'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, i am just adding on to your hypothesis, i think your on to something.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are armed and looking for trouble, you are hunting for trouble'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so your telepathy is pretty good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'playing on words isn't a suitable means for determining guilt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some misfits deserve to be euthanised, especially when they commit murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was american and heard/saw someone creeping around my property, i'd certainly go take a look armed. Similarly if i were part of a neighbourhood watch, or other local posse, i would go armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean i'm going hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you walk around armed and act like an arsehole get into a fight and kill somebody, that is murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it'll boil down to is if Mr Zimmerman was acting in self defence, in which case it boils down to the particular statute in Florida, upon which he will either be acquitted, or the anulled, or, more likely given the jury and the media, a miscarriage of justice will occur setting a really fucked up precedent for any other people trying to defend their property'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see? you're being racist again, he's a white guy (well hispanic) therefore he must be an arsehole'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless a cop, but then cops are legalised '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops have no powers that other people don't have'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was using the laws of florida to commit premeditated murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does one use the laws of florida to commit premeditated murder?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and the essance of a gated community is your basis for the premediation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was and is a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proof?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he's not sufficiently black!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FIND THAT MAN SOME BOOT POLISH!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman murdered a n*****'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the plus side, Abu Qatada got deported back to Jordan today. Good riddance, only cost $2.5m + all the welfare he claimed in the 10odd years he was here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nothing else, the case was a good advertisement for not having courts with tv camera in'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'anyone up for a debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i propose a topic: tv series/movies that are worth watching 1 time only. why would you pay if you know you migh get crap for your money?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '.. and time'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most movies are not worth watching twice'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so true but so many movies are worth watching that one only time too'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the trick is you don't have a clue'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a movie i watched recently (on dvd): "Dead Like Me: life after death" -- several defects to the plot, but i liked the tvseries and Ellen Muth looks okay while young (she is likely going to look like an ogre when older)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Did you have a point to make in that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was worth the $5.65 i paid for the dvd'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'last b-movie surprise was The Signal. i liked it so much but there is no common "propertiy" that could have helped me find it.. it was just random fing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'find*'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Witch Slayer Gretl" was somewhat annoying to watch (the premise was kill any witches as they were obviously evil) but starred Paul McGillion and Shannon Doherty'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'saved by the bell:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Witch Slayer Gretl" though was 40% entertaining to watch, so the $9.03 spent on the DVD was passable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'did you buy it before seeing it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'District 9 was an amusing comedy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i never buy anything that is not worth watching some more..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'district 9 was like unreal tournament 3:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, i search the discount DVD movie bins for unseen movies that may be interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i search the bins to find those old movies i liked'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Push" was 70% to 80% entertaining'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'push was not too bad yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Inception" was 85%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i wish there was a "legendary" bin in every dvd store. discounted to 10% and just sits there. the stores only focus on new junk'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but good movies STAY good for eternety'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Good Luck Chuck" may've been better if less corny and a prettier more white actress was in the lead (Jessica Alba was passable) (but i preferlikwe romance movie to feature eyecandy i like)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the three breasted female was a corny eyesore)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tri-titty was in GLC?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'best romance movie ever is P.S. I Love You'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was like Avatar of chick flicks, I think'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Butterfly Effect 2 was not worth watching -- the whole "Butterfly Effect" series is written to end each movie with a tragic failure -- (the authors are not talented)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Our Idiot Brother"  was okay as a partial (almost)-romance comedy, since Paul Rudd wore a beard, and did not look his usual eyesore face'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Veronica Mars season 2 (boxed set, 6 dvds, $11.30 incl tax) was excellent to watch -- the filming and production were great - sad they cancelled the series after season 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recenty passed on buying "Wanted" staring some lead male and Angelina Jolie, (simply because aging Morgan Freeman was portrayed a leader of the assassin Fraternity)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'geriatric assassins - uunbelievable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Wanted was a good kung pow type of movie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to bang bang bang Veronica Mars'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet to watch "Hardboiled" (starring Chun Yun-Fat, Tony Leung)  and "The Killer" (Chun Yun-Fat) -- both are John Woo films '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Woo wasn't the one to do that blind-monk-kicks-ass movie, was he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paid $11.99 for the two packaged-together John Woo DVDs '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zatoichi the blind swordsman -- there were two different actors playing the lead part'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'that was a superb movie!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's usually the case with stunt doubles, Zade :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the more popular Zatoichi (not the skinny actor) featured in a string of Zatoichi movies'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the skinny older Zatoichi movie was not as likeable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'now that DiCaprio and Diaz are middle-aged, they should do a sequel to Gangs of New York.  Gangs of San Fransisco.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the two Zatoichi were not stunt doubles to each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, past-present-fture type of deal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DiCaprio likely learned that "Less is More"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'different versions, different series, different starts (Zatoichi)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more different than "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" the movie (ycch) and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: the tvseries (yaye!)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'firefly!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I got a glimpse of the movie again.  Good GOD is that woman butt-ugly!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what woman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Buffy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Firefly" was a horrid tvseries -- "Serenity" the movie was okay (except for that unbelievable arshole n*****)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4700000/Sarah-Michelle-Gellar-sarah-michelle-gellar-4734610-1600-1200.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sarah wasn't in the movie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Zimmerman watched "Serenity" before going hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nope. firefly was quite smart'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Krisiu Swanson was in the Buffy movie -- was miscast - no cxharisma, and Sutherland was ycch (ruined by the script)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kristi Swanson was in the Buffy movie -- was miscast - no charisma, and Donald Sutherland was ycch (what he did etcetera was from  a bad script)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You should go start a movie/tv review blog and stop clogging up debate, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sarah Michelle Geller was likable throughout the whole Buffy tvseries (stayed slim during, didn't get fat)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be Contraband'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe they should make a Contra movie, actually'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Psyche staring Roday was ruined in the second and third seasons by Roday becoming an overweight eyesore'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was Roday the guy who "drank too much coffee"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Roday played the lead fake psychic in "Psych"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Help was a awesome movie, by the way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'especially the part about 2-serving Hillie'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'passed up the opportunity to purchase the second and third season sets of "Psych" merely because Roday was no longer as slim as in season one'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think they make Psych look homosexual sometimes. It's just random and I don't get why they think that will make the show more edgy. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I am talking about black psych specifically and not white psych'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Roday (0and the sidekick) both play heterosexuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the sidekick gay ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because peter-eaters are the new it factor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the sidekick is homosexual, another reason to not purchase the dvd boxed sets of "Psych"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how did you come to the idea he was a homosexual?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who... Liberace?  he was openly gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except when in court'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he enspired Elton John "to be who he was"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Liberace was a lying purjurer crook '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in some episode of the Psych tvseries, Roday and the sidekick were competing for the attention of some female -- but the sidekick is meticulous - unsure whether the scriptwriters later forced somebody out of the closet (thay'd ruin the series fast)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that might just mean that he had a strict up-bringing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, depends where your trading account is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing odd is that the supply is essentially unlimited.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how strange.  Bank of America was formerly known as Bank of Italy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'BofA is owned by the Catholic Church.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyone who lives in LA knows that :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I AGREE'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'WYVEREX WINS'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege cheers!
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can't agree, this is debate!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN AGAIN'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Someone is WRONG on the internet!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't be wrong on the internet... just out-shouted =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xkcd/com/386'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in europe, they've been using pre-birth tests to trigger abortions for years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not terribly objective on the topic... my first son was to be born in Italy... the first round of test indicated spinal bifida and hydroencephalitis... there was no consult or debate... they just scheduled the abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for me personally, although I wouldn't have an abortion in those circumstances (barring a defect which is actually inimical to life) I think the *option* -- and yes option -- OPTION -- should be there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'surprising, that close to Rome/Vatican'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in my case - and yes... this is andcdotal... my son was born perfectly normal... NOT in Italy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the positive for hydroencephalitis was simply an off the chart big head (which at 16, he has grown into perfectly well)... the spinal bifida was a false positive'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things like spina bifida, which are believed to be a combination of genetic risk factor + environmental causes, are much more difficult to detect'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things which are solely genetic are much easier'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I found scary was that there wasn't even any discussion, or re-testing... it was off to the abortion mill.  no questions asked or answered'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by all accounts, he was folowing proceedure.  Could have easily have been a mechanical failure.  We'll know eventually'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry to stand down at next election, gooooood'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and http://bigstory.ap.org/article/zimmerman-trial-defense-continue-its-case'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and more sign of the hypocritical anti-white agenda being imposed by government: http://www.wral.com/-white-history-sign-could-prompt-changes-in-hope-mills-parades/12631506/'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i read that trash earlier and just lol'ed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/07/u-s-embassy-official-in-guyana-removed-in-alleged-sex-for-visas-swindle/#ixzz2YTK5ExiL'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15923-missouri-governor-vetoes-bill-nullifying-federal-gun-grab'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's home missouri's legislature resends it and kicks his arse out'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did that story about the visa's surprise you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope, i thought it was hilarious.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'predictable, you could say'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it is hillaries old department.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't blame Hilary for being head of incompetent departments, it's not like she was ever fired from her position on the Nixon impeachment case and refused a reference or anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Sure i can blame her, just like everything is Bushes fault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, you're expecting competence from people in charge? well you might just have to get rid of democracy to achieve that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the people in charge are very competant.  They know what to do in order to keep themselves there while the muppets continually believe the crap that is spoon fed to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'democracy permits the changing of the incompetents'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where you're wrong, Nazi-league member and noted paedophile, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I tend to agree wit him Tiger,  people that are voted are the same dumb masses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in a democracy, 51% of people voted to wipe out the other 49%, that's what would happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why we are not a democracy, we are a rep republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -were- a republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we -were- a jeffersonian'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're now some kind of quasi-fascist quasi-communist oligarchy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are more likely to seem the Nazi, Tigeernuts, and don't project your paedophilia on others, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'fasc and comm are one in the same, just different spectrums of ideology, but the core is the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the matter, Zade? You seemed perfectly happy to defame people you don't know with no proof yesterday, why can't we do the same to you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence they can co-exist within the same setup'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you admit you are a vile liar today, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well given they are fundamental the same, of course they can'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if you want to challenge what i said yesterdsay, bring up a quote and re-discuss'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was the lad from Singapore who used to come on here waxing lyrical?  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/net-us-singapore-internet-idUSBRE9660JP20130708'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been fully discussed, zade, and your argument was found to be full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '101,000,000 americans now receive food stamps, more than the number of private sector workers'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that crashing sound is the see-saw tilting the sustainability of the US economy into oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'been going since '08'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that you are resorting to vile namecalling, Tigernuts, instead of rediscussing the topic, indicates that the topic was "not fully discussed", and that you were losing that debate topic (else you'd rediscussing the topic today, but are unable without further losing that debate)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sounding like a scratched analogue record, Zade, move along'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems you Tigernuts can't debate topics without resorting to slurs and ad hominems against those debating -- (the slurs of "scratched record" indicating you are also losing the separate "analog versus digital" debate)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Zade, you lost. deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything to say on the topics so far brought up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong AcidAngel, and lying is not becoming    '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or should i go getch some wood?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fetch*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Truth hurts don't zade, your don't determine who wins and looses, your peers do. And since i read both your arguments yesterday, your argument was weak and invalid and had nothing to do with the context of the discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, one of the deaths on the crashed 777 boeing was caused by an emergency vehicle running him over. classic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'truth seems to hurt you more since you are resorting to lies'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'how can an opinion be a lie?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lies?  So now your saying i didn't watch you two bicker yesterday?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lol. zade, go find a rock and troll under'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'lol if it is wrong rand :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that runway death manslaughter or a joykill murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'an opinion is a statement of belief and isn't a statement of fact '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be statement of taste, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or personal preference, if you will'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'David Lee Roth is better than Sammy Hagar in Van Halen.  Fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel raises an eyebrow at Code Name: Cambodia's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and also wrong'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'also an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well I would consider it a fact'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but that is an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you heard him of late?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and thats your belief ergo stating that would be an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polygraph the emergency-vehicle driver -- ask whether the driver used the emergency as a deliberate pretext to run somebody over'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'david lee roth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had, your opinion might have to be altered to say "in their heyday"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Sammy Hagar is awesome in his other projects, haven't heard Diamond Dave recently'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I will grant that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thus concensus was achieved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia shakes Tigernuts's hand.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's how it's done folks!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here you go, have a chuckle:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0he0cqHH20&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'is that David Lee Roth sucking it up in the modern day?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, short reality vid'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highlights what kind of level of trouble we're all in'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's simple'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'We have the power of the Internet, to make a virtual world that is whatever we want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and the most popular game is World of Warcraft'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's humanity for ya.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those too lazy, it's Mark Dice get people to sign a petition oto "support Obama repealing the bill of rights, taking things further than the Patriot Act, replacing it with new NDAA-type legislation"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I saw a video where a retired Canadian official admitted that the government knew about extraterrestrial beings'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be true :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'can you imagine what it must be like to walk around day by day with those kind of secrets in you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://bigstory.ap.org/article/zimmerman-trial-defense-continue-its-case'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's more likely is he knows that the canadian government had heavily redacted files on UFO's, which isn't quite the same thing, but wouldn't stop a newspaper twisting headline, or a government worker getting the wrong end of the stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'connections horrible but that seems to be on par with getting people to sign petitions to ban water/oxygen/nitrogen/carbon i'm more interested in the percentages (walk aways + refusals/signed) then the fact people would sing it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sign*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen interviews with mark dice, though you can argue legitimately that it's a biased sample due to where and when he runs these, but the rate is usually 80%+'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who really cares 1 way or another?  if there is ET? so what?  if there is not? so what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be worried if the rate was 20%'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well I'd like to meet ET'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'What if ET is a total dick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'then destroy his ship and make him leave here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr.. leave = live'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tell him that we're all dicks here on planet earth'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what people would do even if he were not a dick'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheeple are dicks'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opinion: nobody should ever be having to pay more than 36% of their income in tax, across ALL taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cambodia: there are tv-program where important officials admit that Jesus Christ actually exists -- "can you imagine what it must be like to walk around day by day with those kind of beliefs in you"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some may say that obviously  "Jesus Christ" is more powerful than UFOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people can admit Jesus Christ exists all day long, the only time it becomes a problem is when they use their belief to justify taking violating my rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Jesus would never be down with that, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well exactly, that's why wahabists are so dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this story had quite the cyberpunk feel to it: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/07/cameras_catch_mystery_break_in_at_whistleblowers_law_firm'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old fashioned back-to-front collectivist propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I despise the term "whistleblower".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? it's a good phrase'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ted.com/talks/alex_laskey_how_behavioral_science_can_lower_your_energy_bill.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'paint the walls orange?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a demeaning label. It makes it sound as if the person outing a crime or other immoral act is at fault, not the perpetrator. "whistleblower" == "rat"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not by accident, and it wasn't always that way. It's the government and media that has allowed that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people start valuing their whistleblowers and take action on their findings, you'll come to revere them'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you use a demeaning term to address someone, you'll never come to revere them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you need to change your head first'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think whistleblower is a demeaning term, and i think badly of those news outlets and politicians that diss Manning or Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'words have power, it would be hard believing that Jesus was "the son of god" if you addressed him as "asshole".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... you can't apply any of this theory to an indivdual... what everyone here is taking about has to be applied to a POPULATION.  So now we're back to relying on the media... or arial spraying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and yet he still would be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, he would be, nontheless, he would not be "revered".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then call them something else'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"champions of light"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point I was making, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"champions of the constitutioN"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"revealer of truth" would work.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fair point, anaristos, but at what point do we have to pander to the results of malicious social conditioning on some people's interpretation of language?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rely on people like you to step above what you know very well to be conditioning'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how we speak shapes the way we think, the are interconnected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't deny that, it's part of how conditioning works'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Jesus would just redefine the meaning of the word asshole, anyways, if you tried to denigrate him in that fashion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but that would be beside the point, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but that would be beside the point, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, sorry :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since language and thought are connected, we have an explanation why the outers of the truth are called whistleblowers. They want the people at large to fill antagonism toward that set of people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they, the labelers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'actions speak louder than words, my friend :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'though I don't deny your point that language can have power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so no amount of enlightenment is going to change how  people feel unless you change the label.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the majority of people are not going to analyse the semantics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they do not have to'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you just defy the label and soon the word will not affect you'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that takes inner power though'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Code Name: Cambodia person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is a skill you can pass onto others'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a bad language and the bad misuse of language are what permits and fuels corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point is that if we were to take survey, we would find that the majority of people would have a distaste for those who out the truth, simply because of the label.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'to be beautiful in yourself, when the world thinks you are ugly, is a powerful thing, but is very hard to defy reality in that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, point taken, for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you want to just leave it at "the truth", or do you want to break it down based on the degree of importance associated with a particular truth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it matter?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when slander, libel, slurs, ad hominems, sloppy bad language, illiteracy, are common, corruption flourishes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you discredit the messenger, then the message is also discredited.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it matters.  Folk will tolerate far less stuff they perceive to have wasted their time, whereas if a particular revelation directly impacts them then they are grateful to have been made known about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how people think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how people have been TRAINED to think, Anaristos, it wasn't always so'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a very good, short book about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'granted, which makes my point more emphatic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: the more language illiterate USAmericans become, the more the corruption shall become more blatant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Propoganda - by Edward Bernays"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when Zade speaks, corruption flourishes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's just seen too much TV about the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bernays was quite accurate in his book, but told one out-right and blatant lie - he claimed that propoganda is only used to purposes for the good of the public'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'besides, wasn't...Sapir-Whorf, is it?...the one that Orwell relied on to make 1984's Newspeak so potently oppressive, wasn't that hypothesis disproved?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Hanslanda mrant to say "when Hanslanda speaks, corruption flourishes." -- unsure whether modesty or hope was involved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the object exists before the word in people's minds, ultimately language is a label and not reality, not even in the mind...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a rose by any other name still smells as sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets not drift into philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like we haven't already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, propaganda isn't philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'debating is all about philosophy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when mudslinging is the norn, whistleblowers are less likely to be heard amidst the cacophany of false accusatiuons'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though often includes elements of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after the whistleblower speaks, the guilty sling more lies (agsainst the whistleblower)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's look at the case in point. The people have been told that the NSA is engaged in domestic spying. The reaction of the media has been: let's go after the "whistleblower" and let's ignore the attack on civil liberties.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask yourself why that is, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because the end justifies the means.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aside from the media being controlled?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be answered by seeing which media ignores the attack and which does not'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Acidangel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can basically divide it into 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'my answer is correct :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the constitutionalists, libertarians, and 'nice' people saying he's a hero and a whistleblower, pointing out the gross violation of civil liberties'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'anti-big government would be an easier description.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the opposite side, you have the authoritarians who have a vested interest in consolidating as much power as possible to further their financial wealth and dominion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the public has long held a certain mistrust of the government, with a deeper emphasis on the secretive sections of it.  That the NSA was spying on us, in essence, is nothing new from the perspective of the public and so ratting them out is more of a waste of time for us rather than an OMG! moment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone in the middle just goes along with party lines'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'thank you Hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you believe the response from government and mainstream media reflects the opinion of the people in this matter?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'is that a joke?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the people are not speaking, so it doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said they aren't? we are, aren't we?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's had widespread coverage on non-news shows on media, people talking about it on forums, comedians making jokes about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the legislators, as representatives of the people, are not speaking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, why are the legislators not speaking?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i already gave the answer'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the same people that do inside trading?  yea, i could see why they wouldn't want to talk abou tit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because they want things as they are, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'top down? thought the left hated "top down"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consolidation of control, propogate the government machine along'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we largely don't care that the NSA was spying on us.  We care about having that knowledge make our personal worlds more dangerous, because Americans traditionally can't handle death and violence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal left might have done, acidangel, but there are no liberal left... left'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't even know what that means, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ummm...most people who aren't military have a hard time with death and violence'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most military have a hard time with death and violence when they find out it has nothing to do with the oath they swore to'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a case in point, our world "ended" when a very small village was wiped out in one blow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the starting point is to change legislators, no?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well...what is your ending point exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I don't know...where is changing legislators supposed to end?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the legislators are being told that such violations are a necessary evil (and that because they are already rich, they need not fear the increased theft resulting from those in agancies criminally misusing that information for personal gain at the deteriment of those surveiled)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a legislator that represents the people, not their respective parties and vested interests'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a legislator is supposed to be the intermediary between what the people want and what is possible in the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a legislatory system that mirrors what was envisioned at the outset'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing you should demand of your legislators is an end to the state of emergency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a state of emergency?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, if those doing the spying are in the same ethnic or business or political group as the politicians, any criminality done by the spying agencies benefits their group as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I didn't know, I don't really let the news affect my thinking too much'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, there isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's been on for years, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I was having a good day today, and now you say there is an emergency?  LOL'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since 1950, if you want to know why it's a big deal, go look up what a state of emergency allows federal government to do which it's not allowed under the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US has been in state of emergency since 9/11/2001.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well before then, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, this is the currently official date.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has to be renewed every 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Obama has renewed it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the representative democracy that we have in the US was the bomb in it's day... how about, since we live in a nation where even buck-ass-poor people have high speed internet, we ditch the middle man and go right to an absolute democracy... EVERYTHING is a referendum - The president is sitting with a foreign leader and has to make a decision... instant referendum via his smart phone... wait... wouldn't work... the general population is plain flat-out stupid.  can't trust them with democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'democracy is overrated for that reason. the majority of people are too dumb to rule a country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the general population will ALWAYS push the button that gets 'em a free chicken... regardless of the consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, calling the US system of government a democracy is a misnomer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'republic is more accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or representative democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a republic, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'representative republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only Obama supporters would try to call it a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because that's what they would want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and in republic the landowners govern. In the US the landowners are the states.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some combination of 'democracy', 'republic' and 'representative''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'North Korea is democratic, if you need to figure out what a democracy is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are choices made by the people,  but they don't enact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the unethical dirty tricks on this debate is evidence that internet voting democracy is unlikely to work -- some of the crazies speak in volumes every day whois Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm pretty sure it counts as a democracy if the electorate has the possibility of kicking the rascals out in a few years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the state does not own all land. private land owernship is very real.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's just a modified monarchy, Tinda. A king for life or a king for 4 years is still a king.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and at least in theory, it is possible to put decent people in'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state owns the vast majority of land, in the UK, the crown owns ALL the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at SnailBot Anaristos!
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Crown stole the land in the years following the Norman invasion of 1066'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the president wasn't supposed to have quite as much power as the office currently controls, that is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos beams a smile at Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey it's our tin hat antidote come to the rescue!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tinfoil hat I mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the executive branch has usurped much power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in any case, the real weapon here is paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again, if you go back to a random constitution, it generally doesn't expect state power to be as pervasive as it is in any country'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you allow your government to tear up the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to do something about that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'executive orders and NSAMs are loopholes in the constitution backed by the USSC.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'll sneak into the Smithsonian with a roll of Scotch tape'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and which constitution (other than the US) foresaw the problems with money and central banks and all that stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm going to need someone to run interference, and a good hacker to disable the security system'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US constitution foresaw it, but you'd already trodden on it by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US had the advantage of hindsight, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a link to a useful lecture series about the gradual erosion of the constitution if you need'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also a good primer on the constitution and bill of rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The writers were surely aware of episodes of serious inflation, most recently during the independence war, but more than that I think they understood how much power you get by controlling money, and did not intend the government to do that, hence the restriction to minting coin from valuable metals etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that became impractical though'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, actually they intended ONLY the government to do that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've had at least two economic depressions stemming from precious-metal backing systems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was why the 1913 act that allowed the federal reserve to come into being was the start of the end'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They intended money to be in the form of precious metals, and nothing else, I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which became impractical'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that way the government would not have any real control over money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or notes issued there-on'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not impractical, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if it were more practical than what we do now, which is print it based on a promise, then we'd be doing it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there are certainly impractical aspects of commodity type money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bankers aren't interested in what is practical, or what is right'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'our government is based on practicality'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, you've lost me now'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'actually, they are interested in what is practical, and not so much on what is right'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not interested in EITHER'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and historically the #1 impractical feature is that you can't print gold to finance wars, so being able to print paper money allows you to field a more powerful military without having to tax people directly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're interested in two things: Cementing control within their faction, and furthering their factions power and wealth base'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ethylene glycol as a sweetener in Chinese toothpaste and mouthwash, that is practical'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ANY benefit to the public is secondary'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'people being, by and large, stupid, this sort of thing worked again and again where taxes would have led to rebellion, smaller scale wars, or, heaven forbid, peace.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we put propylene glycol in our water...how is ethylene glycol any different?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go learn about the constitution: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAu2-ycDOaN31dR1n5E6f6zS7cyM6rpil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did it ever occur to you that if you didn't have a government to obsess about that you would be criminally bored?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, from a long term real benefit point of view, the idea that paper money is better than commodity money remains unproved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe our government looks like a nail because you are a hammer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno about you, but your government looks like a mafia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well frankly, running a country is a stressful and mostly thankless job'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'woah. wait.. hold the phone..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the only people who would actually *want* to do it are in it for the perks'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then break it up'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was never intended to have a huge central government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I was going to break up our government on Wednesday'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the power for that was vested in the states'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've got stuff to do tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the stress of siphoning all that loot from the people must be really stressful.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the federal government was there to regulate trade and provide protection from invasion of foreign powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'explain the commodity currency vs paper currency, i don't see the logic in saying paper > commodity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I had like 20 friends I was going to invite along, but they all bitched out except for Neal and Peter, and I don't think we're going to really be able to break the government on our own'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'framed that way, look how far it's gone away'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hopefully someone else shows up to the party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'paper currency allows barter to be more efficient, assuming that the value of the paper is commensurate with the value of the commodity. '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something which has failed to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'digital > paper no?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it more efficient?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'faster to count out than sea shells'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'harder to counterfeit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it is easier to trade paper than sheep, the paper value of a herd of sheep can be carried easier, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the viking silver bangles.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is a treasury note for $1 of silver any less efficient than an IOU for $1?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, paper value can be inflated, a commodity can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'commodity money may, for transaction purposes, exist in the form of zeros and ones on your computer, the point is simply the 100% backing requirement'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the silver is more trustworthy than the debtor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EXACTLY, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because silver can't be made but a dollar can.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is one enormous downside to 100% backed currencies, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'which is?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'location, location, location!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You aren't going to get a lot of booms and busts that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so stability is now a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harder to game the system if it's stable'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US currency has never been 100% backed. The US counted on the fact that the currency would be trusted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'um, nixon removed the gold tie in 1979'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, finance is one of the biggest games in the world, and it has interested me since I was a kid, it would be a shame if it got nerfed just so people could live happier lives and such'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, which is one of the reason the USD is so cheap now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it was backed by gold, then by silver, then by a promise that it would be worth something'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you just say dollars are easier to trade, you see what i am getting at here?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the USD was backed by gold and was redeemable in silver.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so far our money is still more valuable to spend than burn so I guess it's OK so far :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ahhh gotcha'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as to the value, Cambodia, that's debatable :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can burn the yen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its worthless'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing that really sustains the USD, is faith.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dollars have value as long as the government can force you to accept them as payment and so on'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the peso will warm you for longer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK pound is devaluing/inflating faster than I can save'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the only thing keeping USD is that is what oil price is pegged to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the day after that you can use them to kindle fires and wipe your backside'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'oil must be traded through USD only.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true anymore, acidangel'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wanna bet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BRICS are setting up tradings in gold and/or the chinese currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i am not talking your gas station, i am talking your price future traders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you know.. those "speculators"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the USD is backed by the US debt..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a parallel market being created'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be relevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US government sells its debt in the capital markets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe we can use bags of heroin as currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: '$50 a gram'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government already does'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'shit that is practically currency in many places'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Afghanistan, where we help them grow it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Nicuaragua, they harvest cocaine from the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Paper oil is almost exclusively traded in USD. Physical oil is being sold in various currencies, but USD is dominant here too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no shit they harvest cocaine from the ocean'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the US border patrol harvest from the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you making a "Duh!", or were you legitimately asking?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or what they are called. Coast guard perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I didn't know that, honestly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people already barter consumer electronics for drugs, sell copper pipe for methamphetamine'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone can have a safe that they keep their drug stashes in, and take what they need to go buy what they want'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only issue with that is it's typically stolen copper pipe'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh yeah it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because of the colombian coke subs and the specific trade routes they take to the US.  They can't outrun the coast guard, so they just surface and dump their product into the ocean.  It then travels the currents and it just so happens it all washes up on the beaches of Nicaragua.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can buy food stamp cards with heroin'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if the dollar goes to shit I guess we can always fall back on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy heroine with food stamp cards'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can buy sex with food stamps.  I guess it qualifies as "eating"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US food stamp black market thrives :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'usually in the drug world, food stamp cards go 2 for 1 (2 food stamps for 1 dollar)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If all the dollars somehow came home, I think the worst case scenario is USD falling to maybe 1/3 of current value, then it will rise a bit from there, and the factories will come home from China'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should just ditch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hell naw, market would gap up 1k points overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which might be a good thing in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they reformed the system, and it seems they just made it easier for the marketeers..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'S&P500 might, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'underneath our economy, though, is a bunch of work that needs to be done, and people who need to do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'DOW would, s&p would gap up 50'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since most of their earnings are from abroad'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US infrastructure is going to the crapper, the cities look worn out.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'before we rework the economy, we have to think of a way to keep those people motivated to keep up the infrastructure of our civilization'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'depends on which company your referring to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'our infrastructure is definitely in trouble...I saw a show on it the other night'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if 2/3 of total S&P500 profits are from abroad, USD falls to 1/3 of current value, back of the napkin calc says you might expect the price in usd to climb to 1/3 + 2/3x3 = 7/3 of previous price'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't subject the markets to shocks like that, it fucks things up'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but you can take the government apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need a stable currency, if that means having it based on a commodity, then so be it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, you need sound money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Markets survive the strangest events. Leveraged investors don't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'leveraged investors exist to provide liquidity for the big players.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and a world where notional value of outstanding derivatives is about ten times global gdp might just be in trouble :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'brining profits back home is not a profit, its a movement of currency. that doesn't debase anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, the first lab grown meat burger costs a cool $320,000 to grow.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you mean, grown in a test tube type meat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, a machine that grows body parts...they used it to grow a hamburger patty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Soylent Green )
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a 3d printer'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it cost $320,000 to grow it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and not a 3d printer...it is a bioreactor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe someday a bioreactor and a 3d printer will be combined...and you can materialized something.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe they will genetically engineer a tree to grow meat fruits'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a few years back they created a pigs ear with the bioreactor....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they use it to make heart valves now, and hamburgers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think they're looking into that, now, Cambodia (at any rate, it's a big sci-fi staple)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then we could eat hamburgers and if any vegans had a problem with it they could shut the fuck up, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: seems they attempted to grow a piece of meat muscle and called the failed result a meat patty'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'given time, I expect that human replacement parts will be made to order.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop being so negative....they created the hamburger on purpose, to show you can do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I hope so'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that they will make human parts to order, no more transplant list'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can also grow a fully functional liver now with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pull their research grant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no more genetic matches'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no more anti-rejection drugs with horrendous side effects'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep, none of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but i dislike the rich, pull their research grant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyone seen the reversible vasectomy shot yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dislike the rich, and you'll never be one'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes you wonder, though, why they'll say replacing your own organs with new copies is an unethical or elective procedure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they created some liver cells from stem cells, but it's a long way of growing organs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made to order body parts grown from your own genes will be good though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cambofia, that is not a valid argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's a shot, they inject it into the vas deferens, it's a polymer that costs less than the syringe used to administer it, it coats the vas deferens and electrostatically destroys sperm, reversible anytime'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps zade could get some compassion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'not a valid argument but a fact of the mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is an empath, but not for the corrupt greedy rich
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's probably just as well that the supreme court overturned a ruling that allowed biotech companies to patent genes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they didn't apply the same common sense protection to GMO crops'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah GMO crops, we'd better be careful with that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glow in the dark fish is a good idea.....combines a pet with a night light....win win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a reason why nature operates slowly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's another area you've got your vested interests working within political parties in complete violation of the public good'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as seen with the Montsanto protection act that gave them immunity from prosecution for any damage their crops cause'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless evolution happens in quick spurts, instead of over hundreds of thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they've been lobying hard in the Uk to get GMO unbanned, I delivered an ultimatum to my local MP about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apes are an evolutionary dead end.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so are socialists'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so are sharks, but that is because sharks are perfect already'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, apes are not perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is a capitalist fallacy that everything needs to be constantly upgraded and fucked with'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sharks are perfect for that environment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You must chose:  All natural agriculture + world starvation, or Better agricuture thru genetics and chemisty + increasing world populatoin.  Those are your choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the shark is like a Zippo, nothing needs to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are not the choices, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans on the other hand are perfect for all environments, cause we can adapt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we're Eden's astronauts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gosh, TG... the word "or" in there sure makes it look like a coice to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the temp of the ocean water a few degrees, and sharks die off.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let me elaborate, those are a falsely narrow set of choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was (is) a socialist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that do not represent the range of options available'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'naw, he said render unto Caesar'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how would you modifiy the choices?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he believed that doing good was independent of government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative zade, he was not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus's public is not the same as our public, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God owns everything -- do not give Caesar anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... table it for a little while.... the conversation has runed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'errr... turned'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a matter of fact, with no modification of technology whatsoever, we can feed the planet - distribution and equality is the issue there. In reality, considering all the other strategic resource issues, the best solution is a lower level of population'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with GMO crops, except when 1 company owns the patents.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the content and effect on the biosphere, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'render unto Caesars what is Caesars, render unto God what is Gods.  Perhaps you just don't 'get it' zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a gmo crop kills off a tranch of bugs, screwing up the food chain, poisoning the humans, i'd call that an issue, wouldn't you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I call that a problem with farming in general, not GMO crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grow tomatoes, cucumbers, and peppers....all naturally...without artificial fertilizers...and I have bumper crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe because you haven't worked the soil intensively until it's barren'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avging about .4 lbs per plant per day right now...that is HUGE.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel likely did not yet see the small print between the lines in the NT Bible -- Jesus Christ was definitely a socialist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that happened naturally (and, yes, it's occurred rather frequently), you wouldn't have a problem that a cultivated plant killed off a branch of bugs, screwed up the food chain, and poisoned humans?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont use soil, aquaponics :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there are definitely people who farm outside of the industrial paradigm that do insanely well'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey Riz, have you heard of Joel Salatin?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, have his books.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah, that man is a genius.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus was not a socialist, he was a philanthropist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Zade,  Christ spoke about the collective, through the Individual, not the Individual, through the collective.  you simply just do not understand.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the beauty of his system almost brings a tear to my eye.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I agree...he is quite smart when it comes to growing food.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he championed the idea of personal sacrifice and giving'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah he's a bit weird in other ways but his farming methods are inspired'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'apparently his farmed food is more nutritious and better tasting than any of that mass farmed product'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial farming is what is bad when it hurts the environment around it...but even those practices can be made to not hurt the environment....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Socialist believe the collective is greater than the Individual.. so Jesus was not a socialist preacher.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you have to want to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one thing he said was that farming is thought of as a low-intelligence profession'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is false, more intelligence should be devoted to growing our food'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All factory pig farms could recycle the pig shit and protect the environment and make more money if they had half a brain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't the pig farms do that already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if they had half a brain, if farming was run with more intelligence, if more people who were geniuses went into farming instead of white-collar finance jobs or science'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, most factory farms in the US use shit ponds to collect the waste, and let the microbes eat the shit and release the methane into the air.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then every few years they clean out the ponds and bury the waste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then every few years they clean out the ponds and bury the waste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russian farmers store their pig waste in underground tanks and use the methane for heating'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's just my surface-level, uninformed opinion, but like every time I read about how farming operations are run, I think, they could be getting SO much more out of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK farmers spread the pig waste over the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Regulations and market conditions are set up deliberately to tilt the tables in favour of crap intensive farming operations, and against small intelligent/wise/mom+pop smallholdings'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with all that rain you get?  Talk about messy runoff issues!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of them in the US use methane digesters to collect the gas, and then mix the left overs with water to fertilizer their hay fields to grow food for their cows.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is why Salatin isn't FDA approved...but if you doubt his product is real, buy a chicken from him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles" (Matt 7:16)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can search for news stories where small organic producers have used their nuts to club together to form collectives to give themselves resilience in the market, you'll find pages and pages and pages'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such people get targetted unfairly by the feds'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they operate outside the preferred system'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same person'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like his grass management system....it would work quite well in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire." (Matt 7:19)  -- the Republicans and the Communists are likely dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah that was a great idea (riz)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using animals behind the cows to help fertilize the new pasture grass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and not only that, his chickens and eggs are of higher nutrition, with a natural diet'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't a lot of these techniques basically what people used to do 100yrs ago and more?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cattle, then goats and sheep, and then chickens and rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'albeit refined'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he is using science to refine Nature, while still keeping the shape of the natural orders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.", so what is your point zade, your just providing more evidence he wasn't a socialist. lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he calls it the logic of God, and he is right, but putting it that way puts people off nowadays :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans and Communists are evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labels, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'That makes absolutely no sense.  Communist would be the liberal side of a central power structure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you talked about corruption of language, we talked about how labels meaning gets diluted, polluted'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet here you are attributing qualities to labels that have been corrupted and expect to be taken seriously because...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"By their fruits you shall know them." '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'besides, there is a lot of desperate, misguided, fearful, greedy, and angry, but not a whole lot of true evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'pray you never run into true evil...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the republican party of today is nothing like the original gop in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Communists were (are) murderous abominations'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gop back then was the original liberal party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a more moderate liberal party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans are not looking good either'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Libertarians and liberals are two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the southern democrats were the ones against racial equality.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't those what the democrats turned into later?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?" (Matt 7:22)  '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." (Matt 7:23)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the Bible really works better if you read more than a couple lines at a time'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'context does not matter to zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well except for if you use it as a tool to further whatever agenda you have...then it works better if you just use one or two lines'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Or just pick your favorite parts and ignore everything else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah, you have to really study and educate yourself about the nature of the Bible before you can see the truth that is in it, but who has time for that?  just tell me who to hate, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the whole Chapter 7 of Matthew is a bit spammy to post  (and i like to add annotations)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well true'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'hate is a huge thing in that there book, no doubting that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only true anecdotic Gospel is John. The writers of the other 3 weren't really witnesses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the New Testament is moderate (even almost benign) compared to the evil Old Testament'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is a chronicle of the history of the Jewish people, some mythology, part poetry, and all of it fourth-hand'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'methinks you're confusing Acts with the rest...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the New Testament is more based upon Pagan mythology (set in a Jewish background)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I met a really good preacher in jail once, I heard him preaching when I was celled up at night...he was really good, he made the Book sing when he spoke of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was criticising the Jewish religious leaders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was stating tha some of the Jewish religious leaders were not likely to be forgiven'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gospel of John was heavy with Egyptian mythology'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was also working his way to become both kng and high priest. The reason he was killed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'king*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the song remains the same zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lov that show Survivor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big ironic joke is that Jesus Christ" never actually existed -- the story was a total fabrication from several sources'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know for a fact that he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sniff... sniff... hmmm smells like.... .SHIT in here... TROLL SHIT!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jesus was in Ben-Hur, so there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you are wrong, Zade. There is sufficient historic evidence of Jesus' existence. He is well mentioned in Iosephus' histories.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if you believe that "Jesus Christ" existed, than i am happy to condemn you wicked to hell based upon the scriptures you say you believe'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Hank Williams wrote about Jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you don't get to condemn people to hell, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say I believe in the scriptures :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell is a myth....lucifer is the angel of light....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe there was a man Jesus who tried to become king of Israel as well as its High Priest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... Zade just told me to go to hell... interesting... I think I'll pass'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what his name means, Rizgoth :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, take it easy fellas'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus in the sense of the almighty saviour who regularly worked miracles like they leaked out of his ass like wet farts did not exist.  However, various approximate candidates were found in history who DID exist (albeit long after Jesus was said to have lived and died).  One of these was Jesus the carpenter, who is known to have lived in Gallilee during Roman occupation, participated in various terrorist movements against said Romans, and joined anti-Roman causes hiding out in the nearby mountains.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'israel hadn't had a king in 500 years...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for all intents and purposes, Jesus is like William Wallace, standing 10 feet tall with lightning bolts shooting out his arse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what happens when a story gets retold uncountable times, Hanslanda :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, Constantine had a hand in creating the myth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Nazareth teachings of Jesus were already around at least 90 to 120 years before the alleged Jesus of 0 AD began preaching'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if he preached at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he's saga is more akin to a political campaign.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey is constantine reincarnated.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Paul of Tarsus, the Mithraists, and other Pagans, added in the supernatural mythologies to the Jesus story -- and Jesus became a Christ '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Paul had his own agenda, he is most responsible for the creation of the godly Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey has turned 1 fish into 1000'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that Paul never met Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Jesus traveled to china in his early 20's and established taoism'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was chasing after Chuck Norris, who established Toeism there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not sure about China, but it is very likely he traveled to India.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though how people used donkeys for transportation is beyond me :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stallone and norris made fun of norrisisms in Expendables 2'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't watch Stallone moves on tv, I can't turn the volume up high enough to hear what he says :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stallone is a dad'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomato seeds are the most powerful force in the universe.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know how to repond to that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to do with something einstein said a long time ago :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what is its relativity to today?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Trayvon Martin had been smoking pot on the night he was shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC slows the perceptions'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying.. presence of THC, and pictures of him using pot on his cell phone, along with the gun pictures make it hard to establish him as a clean cut high school athelete'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'people who smoke marijuana deserve to be shot in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... that's a bit extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an A student is permitted some THC'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you USAmericans want to legalise THC usage'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'no REAL American could want such a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah, good old 'no true scotsman' fallacy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Harperon is agreeing with that Squamous Morinon person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you white honkeys are not real americans.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rizgoth, unless you are Cherokee or similar, you can stuff it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we indians have been smoking weed for over 12,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not dangerous.  After all, look at all the stoners who drive all that way to attend various concerts, stay practically all night long while lighting up, and then drive back home tired and stoned.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Will show your personal whois data.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stoners dont drive....a stoner drives about 5 mph when they do :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... marijuana came from china to n.africa about 1550'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then made it's way west'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'yeah, it was tobacco originally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'in the Americas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which tribe are you from, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... my original point was about that clean cut kid that got shot by the low-down, jackbooted nazi'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, my thc hard candies arrived in the mail just now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess the quality of debate can only go down, now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does the character of the victim has to do with it? Presidents of the US have indulged in pot and they still manage to get elected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Kodiak Alaska, Sun'ak tribe, recognized by the fed govt and state govts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er Sun'aq'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'clinton never inhaled'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Define "inhaled"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that even if the victim was a scumbag he was entitled to live.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first - this trial is to determin WHO the victim is/was... second, his character has EVERYTHING to do with what might have prompted him to get shot dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'bush did cocaine, so I assume he had to inhale'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'George Washington definitely inhaled'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excuse me?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that an unarmed person can be killed legally if they provoke an armed person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Jefferson grew pot on his plantation and smuggled some chinese stuff into the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... you don't need to have a gun to kill someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they pose a threat to an armed person, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not what I asked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you asked yes/no, he answered sure/yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you meant to ask something different, you failed at it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Abelinc. But that is not what it's being said here. What they are saying is that the character of the victim might justify killing him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me be clear:  YES... an unarmed person can be killed legally if they provoke an armed person.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if I walk up to an armed person and say "up yours, asshole", he is legally entitled  to kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the character of the victim may go to show better what transpired...the defense includes treyvon beating up the accused prior to the fatality'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what happened, and you're full of absolute shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so clean-cut kids don't beat up people, I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I have a gun, and someone walks up to me and shoves me and threatens my life... AND I am in a state with a "stand your ground" law.. I can use what ever force is neccessary to protect myself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody walking around with a hidden gun and looking for confrontations is definitely planning to use that gun if hostility results (and that gun is used)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we don't know what happened, Abe. If you know what happened then maybe you should testify at the trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reasonable inferences are permitted as to intent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are aspects of what happened which are not in much doubt...but what nobody would claim is that he walked up and said "up yours", turned and tried to walk away'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yeah, full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know that abe. But I wanted to point out that saying that could be considered provocation, and according to what is being said here, it would be ground for execution.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody said provocation'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Debate) Vonliege: 'first - this trial is to determin WHO the victim is/was... second, his character has EVERYTHING to do with what might have prompted him to get shot dead''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely, that is quite correct'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self defense all the way....if it was Texas....this wouldnt even have made the news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so saying "up yours, asshole" can fall in that category.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why not, it's a provcation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, as for "why not", it'd help if you'd lrn2read...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, downloaded every depeche mode song on the internet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only 1.6 gigs :('
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going to quote, then quote rather than quote one thing and then claim something wholly-unrelated'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, mabe he didn't mean that "prompted" meant "provoked", but it seems to me that there is no real distinction in this context.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually there is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '[08 Jul 20:19:29] (Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... you don't need to have a gun to kill someone'...[08 Jul 20:19:35] (Debate) Abelinc: 'if they pose a threat to an armed person, yes''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't argue that point. It is obvious.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh good, then you have zero point'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but we don't know why the boy got shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if character of the victim determines the legality of a fatal confrontation, then j***s may kill n*****s, but n*****s may not kill j***s, all based upon on-the-spot racial-profiling without knowing the full facts - is that what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF (and I have no basis or reference that this did or didn't happen) trevon walked up to zimmerman and swung at him, or suckerpunched, or tacked him... THAT would likely result in your being shot if the person you assaulted was armed with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for all we know, he did call the man an asshole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and got shot for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, while he was beating his head against the ground, he probably did call him names'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, 5 lbs of thc jolly ranchers and 8 lbs of thc red licorice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no witnesses to what happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in order for the jury to determine what might have happened, they need to know something of trevon's character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have certainly been filled to the eyeballs with zimmermans history, and precieved character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was the killer, and is the one on trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's only fair that they be shown something of Martin's character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so no witnesses pointing to a crime, and evidence of a reasonable defense, and you're looking for a conviction'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he wasnt a boy...he was a young man who had a criminal record of burglary and who knows what else...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how is it a reasonable defense?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so people on trial aren't allowed defense?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they are. But to say that because the victim liked to give blowjobs, it shows that he was an aggressor is not relevant. Or if he stole cookies from his mother's cookie jar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or smoked pot'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how is it not a reasonable defense to use force when being beat up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if THC slowed down Trevors perceptions and responses, Trevor was a slow target, able to be readily avoided'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a butt-ton of pictures of him brandishing guns... is THAT relevant?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those on THC do not hit as hard either'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the white dude was stupid anyways....you never walk up to a guy and start arguing with them....you stand 15 feet away and do it so that you have time to pull out your weapon if need be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what white dude?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was no white dude...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see here is the point, if you accept that he was being defended, then there really wasn't much of a confrontation, because the most likely way for the boy to have the man on the ground beating his head was by surprising him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a white dude in this story?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I mean that the man didn't know the boy was there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which idiotic crime are we talking about here ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a jewish hispanic is not a white dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in what universe is that true, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a jew hispanic is a white dude.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I've been in fights, so I know. You don't fall under like that unless you are surprised.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or you're outmatched'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'from what I can see, that wasn't the case. The man was big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so THAT'S your basis...it's a "full-grown man" vs "a little boy"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the jew part does not convert a hispanic to a white dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the hispanic part is part white, well spainiard anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some UK whites are likely to state that spaniards are not fully white'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well,  man usually outdoes a boy in a fight, but even if that wasn't the case here, the man wasn't really outmatched. We are not talking about knocking him down, we are talking about knocking him down and completely overpowering him. Unless the man didn't defend himself because he decided to spend his energy in getting the gun out so he could shoot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'man doesn't usually outdo another man in a fight...this wasn't a man and a boy in the least'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and your opinion of both parties fighting ability'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if trayven was using ebonics on the white jewish hispanic guy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I use boy basically because maturity helps in a fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, trayvOn'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'experience helps in fight, not maturity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, but usually experience comes form maturity, though not always.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Thanks Rizg0th'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fighting experience NEVER comes from maturity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, it is possible that the man never had been in a fight before.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'completly speculative question... who do you think had been in more fights... Martin or Zimmerman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems to me that both looked like fighting rookies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the "banging the head into the sidewalk" thing was totally a newb thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, it's a very effective tactic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes, it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, if you have no choice but to be on the ground with your opponent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Like the gut shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slapping eachother like girls would be a newb thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of things don't make sense, like why didn't the boy run away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gut shot's only effective if you can surprise or overcome abs, depending on the opponent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz he had the upper hand :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on the caliber of the gun, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until zimmy blew him away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that might be the case, Abe. But it still doesn't make sense. Once you knock the man down you just sprint away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, randy travis is in the hospital again.....in critical condition....must have been another drug and booze bender'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people beating up other people don't usually run away from them...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, the man had some bruises on his skull, but he wasn't beat up. If I were in the same relative position as the boy was I would have turned the man's face into hamburger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's why the head banging doesn't make sense to me, newb.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those on THC do not hit as hard or slam as hard'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Running away from someone with a gun? Dumb, unless you have the gun first'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure it is possible, but I have never seen anyone on grass get into a fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'He obviously didn't know there was a gun, Arnica. If he did, that means the man pulled the gun out before being attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he might have been suicidal, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Zimmerman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the boy. If he knew there was a gun and still went in on the man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh definitely agree that trayvon didn't know george was armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Zimmerman pulled the gun, said he was going to shoot the boy, and said "fight or die" -- the fight starts, and during the fight, Zimmerman yet holding the gun, murders the boy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'was it explained how the melee started? The man sees the boy and says "halt in the name of the law" or something to that effect and the boy attacks?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that is the case, Zimmerman commited a crime impersonating police'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he could have said "this is a citizen's arrest" or something to that effect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there were witnesses to the fight, with trayvon on top of george punching him'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am almost positive he said: :I'm Batman"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except Travon was not commiting any crime, and was being mugged by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so then there were witnesses to the shooting. That is something that doesn't seem to come out of the account because the 911 caller was an audio witness.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the 911 caller ran home to call, and the shooting happened while he was going upstairs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's amazing! in any other part of the US it would been recorded on a phone :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does he like jolly ranchers with thc ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That is incredible, where was their cell phone? They left home without it? Shocked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is a really big bag of jolly ranchers......'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not everyone has a cell phone, surprisingly enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is a cell phone ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in some cities 98 out  100 have cell phones. It's hard to believe than in a group of more than one person, no one has a cell phone these days.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '98 out of 100 is a lie'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer my satellite phone....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(not yours, but a lie nonetheless)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all gang bangers have cell phones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, 98 out 100 is extreme, but it actually seems that everyone has one. In Los Angeles you can't do anything without a high probability you've been caught by a camera.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, but trayvon was using it to talk to his girlfriend rather than recording ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say that he was walking while talking on the phone?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they both were at times during the ordeal'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'george was talking to cops at one point, trayvon was talking to his gf at a different point'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I tell you. I don't know what happens, but the account of the entire thing seems very odd.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'happened*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The people in Sanford do not have cell phones. All gang bangers have cell phones. Trayvon Martin was talking on a cell phone. George Zimmerman is innocent. Justice in America.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self defense!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and a gated community without high-mounted cameras?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is to keep them IN'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman illegally accosted and assaulted (Canadian definition of assault) Trayvon -- violence and a death resulted -- automatic second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gated communities want to give the impression that the residents are safe, cameras is a conspicuous way to make that claim.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, reading one of the stories about it: Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think he said that in an interview, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"when he pulled the trigger" he probably had a good feeling which of the two it would be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless he didn't know which end of the stick to point :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I was zeroing in on the "when" rather than the feeling'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what that means is that they always look for the maximum application they can get away with.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Regulations, Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs), Zero Tolerence Policies....  They are all forms of "pre-defined decisions".  In the case of SOPs, they are intended to enable ACTION in the immediate beginnings of a crisis, such as a plane crash, or mortar attack... '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zero-Tolerence policies, however, are a cop-out... they are an excuse for highly paid administrators to refrain from making sound decisions based on facts.  They are able to completly wash their hands of any thought proccess.  An administrators wages should be inversly proportional to the number of zero tlerence rules that school system supports.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, zero tolerance rules+1'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'So we don't get infinite wages.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... sure... I think?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you've had to repeat a few grades.. .no big deal =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mishcan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Roger Alan Wade is an awesome country singer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'three things... first - community...a consistient and predictable base of players with which to interact and enjoy the game...'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy who stayed at the Fukushima plant after the reactors went mental has died of cancer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia hands evidence to the UN that US/Turkey-backed groups affiliated to al-qaeda used Sarin gas in an attack in March '
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut, Florida governor signs a bill banning all computers?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is that fucking idiot on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or just plain stupid'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'links, or it didn't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a technical reading shows it does'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was an administrative error'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although it was "only" meant to ban internet cafes and slot machines'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the florida governor is a fucking idiot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the guy that made owning a pipe a felony'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is fucking asinine anyway, yes, let's ban any way for people who can't afford a computer to be able to use them to apply for jobs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'easy enough to fix... and I'd fire a few proof readers and lawyers as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fire the governor'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always the library... just about every po-dunk town has a library, and the library has computers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'shoot the bastard'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now let's not go mad'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully he can be sent his marching orders in 2014, presuming he's up for re-election then'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I say shoot the queen who let the 'colonies' slip away in the first place.. it's HER fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but isn't Florida full of immigrants and dribbling old pensioners?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than a few, Vonliege.  The state legislators drafted it.  Then proofread it, debated it, changed it up a little to reflect the changes, then voted yes on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the queen? that was king george III :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we call them retirees here, TG'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm no fan of the queen or the monarchy, but i wouldn't want them shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in none of the above'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's already gone... gimme a target that's still kicking'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'look in the mirror'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I already shot all my mirrors'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shifty bugger always staring back at me'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shot em, or did they break?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hard to say... some of both maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'new british anthem "God shoot the Queen/King"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't really berate the queen other than for not doing her fucking job'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have to say your name three times in the dark to summon yourself close enough to shoot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she's a goodwill ambassador, there's not much for her to do in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what she does NOW, it's not what her JOB is'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she is 1/3 of the governance of the country, in a seperation of powers there is supposed to be the queen, the parliament, and the judiciary, in the same way you guys have executive, house, and courts'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like her father Elizabeth 2 opted not to get involved in it, thus is guilt of treason'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman acquitted yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... still under the lights'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lawyers dragging it out to get more money, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the blackies are threatening to riot, so I think that might be a yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'easy for YOU to say... you have a big pond for protection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than we got'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's what started the whole thing in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't riot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do riot and attack private businesses and people shoot back, well that's a few less people on food stamps now, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like they have any moral argument to stand on'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what are you talking about?  The UK does knives like the US does guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ironicaly... if they [blacks] do, they will do more damage to each other than anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Wow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as was evidenced in the LA riots.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the LA riots, at least they were justified in being pissed off, though their targets were unjustified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"some black dude got beaten up by the cops, lets go nick some stuff and burn down some shops" wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Vandalism, anarchy and chaos is seldom justified.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least burn down the police station and pretend you're retaliating in the right direction'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only white guy that died in those riots was a simple city bus driver who was just driving his route, and got yanked out of his bus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there was a little bit more to it than that tiger'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, blonk, same was true of the London riots couple years back. Cops shot a black guy unlawfully, people went out and started nicking stuff and torching shops, including those in their own community'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, I thought he was yanked out of his big rig and had a rock tossed onto his head?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically a bunch of chavs with <80 IQ'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same bunch that are tweeting threats now'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might have been, hans... my memory has been know to fade'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were all to disappear off th e face of the planet, you wouldn't be losing much in the way of intellectual capital'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm sad that it's true'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it happened because of the acquital of the police, not because of the beating, if it was because of the beating, there would be riots every other week'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think you are right Hanslanda, I think it was Reginald Denny and he had to have a few surgeries to recover.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't materially change the argument, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea it kind of does. I doubt the riot would have popped off if the police would have gotten charged and put into prison, woulda kind of sorted itself out'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be so, didn't need to be acquitted in the London case'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and like i said, justified anger, that anger is not justified in the Zimmerman case'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'had the blacks seen the whole tape, I don't think they would've rioted in that case.  They just saw the edited version, though, which only had the white cops wailing on the black guy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it doesnt matter, excessive force was obvious, that was all it took'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'for the police to be able to destroy someone in that manner, have evidence, then get away with it, is bullshit, That is why they went crazy and rioted'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're angry at the police! let's go loot some of our own neighbourhoods' stores'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'didnt say it made sense'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't just be the fluoride else everyone would be like it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman commited a (partial) genocide against an A student'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the news reported it as riots, but from the footage, it was really "mass looting"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade - you mean the kid who was currently suspended from school?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so? that has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the kid who had been suspended multiple time?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't mind Zade, he'll be going rioting with the box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The fact of the matter is zimmerman has no right to be carrying a gun, or following him, or approaching him, or shooting him'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The fact that someone gets kicked out of school a couple times means nothing, not sure if you know, but in america you can get kicked out of school for breaking a pencil'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a right to carry a gun - that is FACT... as to the rest.  That's for the courts to decide - not us'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he had every right to carry a gun, was foolish to be following him but within his rights, foolish to approach him, and was within his rights to shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or suckign on one'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is a premeditated (coldblooded) murderer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can suspended from school in the USA for pointing your finger at someone and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's not go through all that bullshit again'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'pussified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point about the suspensions is that it's difficult to be an A student when you aren't in school.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it has to be in the shape of a gun, Tiger.  I doubt the kid would have gotten suspended if he were intimating some other concept.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Once again, not true Vonliege, A students can miss more school, because they are generally smarter'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fingers shaped like guns are not illegal, hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hans... if he SAYS "bang", that's close enough =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i remember being very little immitating a machine gun, i'd be hung drawn and quartered by the fake liberals over there'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'O, things have changed, when i was little it was not at all like it is today'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or, as is the case here, if a student gets suspended, they get auto-A's for the course work they miss for said suspension.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have me tugged from parents, hopped up on a dozen antipsychotic drugs faster than you can say obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so get suspended if you didnt study for a test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not quite as simple as all that, Gris... but sometimes... ya'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear they're having a buyback event for toy guns?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA was brought up on guns, the longterm established USAmericans are less likely to be triggerhappy'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some fucknut church, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'somewhere on the east coast.  Can't remember if it was in Florida as part of the zimmerman freakout cloud or something up in the Sandy Hook region.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UK citisens are not used to guns, and are likely to be triggerhappy if they got guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or accidentaly shoot their children =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard you can make a killing with NERF products.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, most of those that were triggerhappy were likely eliminated long ago and did not breed'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when my boy was 5, we went to walmart and bought him a set of toy six-shooter to go with the cowboy outfit his grandma had sewn for him... we then took him to the portait studio in the walmart for photos... they wouldn't take his picture with the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'pussified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wakmart did that and was not sued ?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to be fair, the portait studio was a vendor... not part of walmart'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but located IN the walmart'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'walmart also yelled "NO BIRFDAY CAKE 4 U!" at a 6 year old because he was named after Adolf Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still made me mad'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might suggest to the parents that they find a nice skin-head run bakery for that order.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no bakery in Germany would ever put that on a cake'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some AfroAmericans like to be named after somebody that stuckit to those oppressing AfroAmericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... Blacks often have family names that can be traced back to slave owners'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but you could make a fried-chicken-and-watermelon flavored cake slathered in hot sauce and you'd get fired for racism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the cullinary-cops would shoot you dead first =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'AfroAmericans also like beans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK citizens are as used to guns as US citizens are, it's location and background dependant'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like beans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural UK citizens over a certain age are entirely familiar and used to guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'refusing to produce such a cake (if requested by an AfroAmerican) is racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'racism is stupid and pointless end of discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is good racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real racism is indeed, unfortunately 99% of modern racism isn't racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except for La Raza and Black Power.  White Power is bad, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigotry is a horridly misused word'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not as misused as racism is'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so is fag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK it is now commonly used to describe someone who has an opinion you don't agree with and can't think of a intellectual argument against'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that depends on location'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fag is never misused :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, when someone says "fag", do they generally mean a cigarret, or a gay person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a smoke'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, I mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and in US it generally means a gay person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's use derives from Faggot, meaning a budle of brushwood or sticks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think they're referencing happy people, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I never did really understand how "faggot" translates into "homosexual"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because Americans have a tradition of corrupting language'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh sure... but there's usually a trail to explain it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bearing in mind it's only corruption when someone else does it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts flutters his eyelashes seductively.
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hah, you should talk, you gave us two versions of English.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faggots are burnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'en etemology of sorts'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll have you know that ENglish is OUR language, we stole it fair and square!'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... burnt... still don't see the connection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in the olden days homosexals weren't burned at the stake. They were just "thrown in the fire with the other fags" so to speak.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... that makes a certain sense'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no known connection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still pretty thin, though/'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They were burned just like the bundles of sticks they used to keep the fires going, hence they themselves being called fags'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Doesn't that just make the word feel all the more offensive to you? Adulterers were treated better than the gays back then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find the word offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Niether do I'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'adulterers didn't try to corrupt the natural order, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I say faggot and nigger frequently. For many reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you find the word offensive, you probably voted for Obama'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you probably have the IQ of yeast'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even in academic situations, you can't actually say the n-word, Death.  You can say niggAH, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if I am at the pub. And the server makes me the most awesome burger. And I think to myself, "Damn that nigger made me and awesome burger" even though the person wasn't even black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thin kthe word is trade marked... you can only use it to refer to black people'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, that's just insulting, then.  I mean, she slaved all that time making it just right and you didn't even have the decency to thank her for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I did thank her'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I told her she was way better than the faggot working the grill the night before.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'finally, Emerald has the right "smell" to it... that indefinable quality that says "This is your clan"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and eyup... that there was a mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, just wow. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/patient-awoke-doctors-errantly-preparing-remove-her-organs-141547610.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Community - Community is the main reason I play this mud.  Emerald does, as you say, have an excellent reputation, and it would be a wonderful community to be a partof.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to quit doing that'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this sounds a lot like an interview about to go bad, heh'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obamacare sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obamacare sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so you say'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'prove it!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It will increase premiums for people. You WONT be able to keep your old insurance plan like Obama once said. It hurts small business. It makes lower middle class poor and it keeps the poor poor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are not force to use the plan. You can continue with what you have.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As long as it meets the ACA's criteria. So if I want to have a 2nd rate insurance plan or *gasp* want to have the choice of not having or paying for insurance. I don't have that option now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'so like I said, it sucks balls.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Should home schooling be outlawed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexico is now the fattest country in the world according to the UN.  Time to update the jokes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'is that because all the slim Mexicans ran across the border?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently, no.  It's from rising incomes and an increase in urban lifestyle.  Paradoxically, the malnourished poor are driving this trend.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, whoops, fattest developed nation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Mexico is a developed nation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thanks to NAFTA, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I guess a gag order has been placed on the Police and fire/rescue that responded to Micheal Hastings' car "accident". '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh why I wonder why why why....they would do that. His death report is being concealed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Surely it must be to spare the feelings of his family, who also think the government had him killed right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who is Michael Hastings?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He is that journalist guy who crashed his car into a tree, right before he was going to release some damning information on the U.S. government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The way the crash played out was very questionable. At the very least it's quite unusual And the fact that they would gag the first responders and then be ordered to not release his death report? I feel sorry for anyone who does not think this smells like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and you think they killed him as a coverup?  Riight.  Random citizens are so stone cold that when they find out something shocking has been happening (and possibly that he's eluded pursuers) they don't get into accidents due to their hysterical state of mind...it takes a secret government agent to kill them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But the gag order Hanslanda! And the crash just is not right at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Nothing about the nature of the crash makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what you think about "under the dome"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'decided not to bother with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think there was bradbury's "flowers" or something.. before king's'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm saving my precious TV time for Supernatural and Once Upon a Time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'supernatural rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'googling..zzt.. googling'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I need to get my hands on a complete Season 8, managed to catch it after the midseason break but Netflix only goes up to season 7.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly Adam Kokesh got raided. Could be a FBI setup, or could be he really was dumb enough to be an activist AND keep illegal drugs in his house.... but I doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas abortion law goes throught, despite satan worshippers protesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what was that law again?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'department of justice spent tax dollars on a a campaign to support "Justice for Trayvon" protests'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas abortion laws, maximimum 20wk limit into term, clinics must conform to sugery standards and have an admissions arrangement with a hospital within 30 miles'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in somewhere like texas, that could do with being modified to "within 30 miles, or the nearest if one isn't within 30 miles"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, yah.  I thought it was that the doctor himself couldn't do the abortion at a hospital he didn't have such priveleges?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure of the specifics, it's supposed to ensure safety'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could be, but won't -- because the real goal is to make it hard enough to get abortions so that people will have the kid anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, it's supposed to make it obnoxious, safety is the cover they put on it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wisconsin have taken the same approach, but in a smaller state'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women do tend to be uncomfortable with having their trusted doc recommend them for the procedure and then have someone else (who probably never even met with the patient until they were admitted) do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'law would have been fine without the mile limit, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still don't require surgical center'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for non-surgical abortions'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's for those horror stories of serious complications that develop'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny, the doctors say that this provision is unnecessary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'texas medical association says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors say all kinds of stuff'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'american college of obstetrics and gynecology says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'texas hospital association says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's absolutely no reason someone needs to be in a surgical center to take a pill.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, hans, i agree with the 20wk limit, regardless of the other stuff, i was just amused at how it's ok for a democrat filibuster on something they believe in, but it's a travesty when Rand Paul launches one on something his lot believes in'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a hell of a lot of republicans who approved of filibusters on their side and didn't approve of davis's, too -- it cuts both ways'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have a problem with the week limit, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently a pill is only used up to 9weeks'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, it's used in the most early-term abortions'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell a lie, can be up to 23 weeks, just different order'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but it's still most used in very early term'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they list huge racks of complications after 9 weeks that require transfer to hospital or surgical procedures'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, which is why a lot of clinics only do early-term ones and tell you that you have to go to a bigger center if it's past that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so maybe they should have split it into 2, accrediting centres that do it pre-9weeks that do not need the extra regulation, and those that do it 9-20 that do'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL typo on this website: Death (less than 1 in 100,000)Extra procedures which may be necessary '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why maintain two scapegoats, though?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scapegoat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'You will be shot at dawn, and then asked to leave the country!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if something goes wrong, or something like the baby-killer doctor happens (the one that slit fetus throats, snapped necks, and crushed skulls recently)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even the flamingest of flaming liberals that I know want that guy prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Lawmakers propose to open national park on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not to say that there aren't some who don't -- but I haven't met any yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he should be put to death via wood chipper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what happens when you're accused of a crime that has already been overturned in the supreme court?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I guess a gag order has been placed on the Police and fire/rescue that responded to Micheal Hastings' car "accident". '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Who is micheal Hastings?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He is that journalist guy who crashed his car into a tree, right before he was going to release some damning information on the U.S. government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I see..'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't dcrash his car into a tree, his car exploded into flames mid-drive, sending the engine 150ft down the road seperate from the chassis'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear it was a carbomb'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'And then hit a tree?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then hit a tree'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So he totally died by hitting a tree. Duh, There was no car bomb, that was all just a coincidence... Right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eye witness reports it exploding in the road, jackknighing as a result'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither the tree nor the car have significant impact damage, it's just where it came to rest'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Blonk for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Nah, that was just a atmospheric reflection of a weather balloon exploding, it shined off his car, confusing people'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Zade, you know i was joking right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mercedez Benz have said "our cars do not habitually explode, or eject their engines 150ft mid-flight"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, not on this channel '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'my bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all this hours after him saying to friends/family that he's had his life threatened and he's going into hiding '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure mercedes says that...toyota said their cars don't speed out of control as well }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'Weather Balloons that is what the Government wants you to believe! They are spying on us with t,v, radio internet we cams. Alien sightings are common a lot of times. Anything you post on social media the NSA can see what you type or post.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'toyota's aren't capable of speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unbelievable that Mercedes Benz said that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was paraphrasing, but yes, that's what they said'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'if you watch the Movies I am Legend and World War Z I am buying the book, because they tell you what happens during a real life zombie infestation all coming from a virus or pathagin in 1500 England London, they had a zombie plauge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I prefer ultraviolet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zombie shooting is just them getting ready for mowing down the public when the riots begin'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or at least resident: evil series'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'yes Tiger nuts already america has a zombie virus its in miami florida we call it bath salts people are high on the drug they eat babies and eat peoples faces off'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to see what a total meltdown is like in a western state. Until now it's only been military states'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that happened once'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: '- h'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snooper alert!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news report out claims Bank of America employees in the mortgage servicing unit systematically lied to homeowners, fraudulently denied loan modifications, and were paid bonuses for foreclosing on peoples homes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The way the crash played out was very questionable. At the very least it's quite unusual And the fact that they would gag the first responders and then be ordered to not release his death report? I feel sorry for anyone who does not think this smells like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh why I wonder why why why....they would do that. His death report is being concealed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Surely it must be to spare the feelings of his family, who also think the government had him killed right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess Aardwolf got the gag order too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-5 10'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just went thru you buffer, and I don't know what you are refering too, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'google Micheal Hastings, von'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has nothing to do with his family, his wife is on the record as believing it was a hit and wants to crush whoever was responsible'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I know I was being sarcastic TN. His family knows what happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And they don't want an investigation because any retard could figure out a car bomb was used.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't be sarcastic, some people on here don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'People always ask me, "if Government is so incompetent than how can they get away with elaborate cover-ups like the ones you propose"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you reply "They're not incompetent...that's just what they want you to think!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you're not a drug addict, you're in denial'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well really they get away with so much like this in plain sight. And people are just conditioned to look the other way or use statements like that to dismiss any foul play.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to be competent, it's pretty blatant'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm looking high and low, and I can't even find a reference to a conspiracy of a bomb in the car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'much less a compelling agrument to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'media control'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'propaganda, you are one of the sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'media controls the Internet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little coverage of the Hastings assassination on mainstream, you have to go local/alternative'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if "they" were truely capable of that level of media control, then we are all well and truely F***ed... we might as well get in the free chicken line.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they, like the police/fire have been told to avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are fucked, VL, that's what i've been telling you'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how blatant does it have to get before you agree?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, if you're fucked, you might as well enjoy the dicking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, i'll take a machette to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're gonna fuck you like this, they should at least provide a reacharound'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously man, take a fucking vacation from your paranoia for once, the world is fucked, nothing can be done, you might as well enjoy the ride before you die, at least a little bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(look at all those chickens on their backs on the debate channel waving their legs and the surrender flag)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you guys will go down before we do, we're being squeezed right now, but we're not being fucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in the end, we're all fucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'every single one of us'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and if you don't find any joy in it, then you didn't get your money's worth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(bawk bawk bawk)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't complain at me for complaining about it, you're the guys facilitating the fucking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'indeed sir, I think I will go peck at some corn and enjoy being a chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yup... I don't get it.. I may be living in a computer generated fantasy land while by body is pumped for kilowatts... but a steak still taste good when I eat it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well be'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When are they gonna finally go hot on us and give us an excuse to fight back physically. It won't end well but at least the control will be broken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely unlikely to go hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get one chance every four years to have my vote counted... beyond that, if everything is as fixed as you claim... there just isn't any point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get to vote at least 3 times every 4 years, and probably more often than that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the "activism" in the world won't change anything... it's liek DS said... until they "go hot"... there just isn't any point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once you consider presidential, congress, senate, state elections, local elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I worry more for the world my children will live in much more than the one we're in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Enjoy your Demolition Man future everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... I go to the poll probobly 1-2 times a year if you count state and local... I was refering to the presidnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'president is a puppet, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just need the right people in locally, as a start'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they all aren't puppets?  congress, governors, mayors, councilmen?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you vote in bought off ones, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they are bought off, then they get elected AFTER the polls close with cheating... can't defend against that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can, you can protest'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can recall'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah, Ok... I'll protest and they run away in fear... or maybe my car gets blown up with my children in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think you would all do better with the federal government being largely abolished'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if what you say is reality... the second that I start making a difference, I'm dead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or destroyed or ruined in some fashion'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Cambodia said, you're fucked anyway, might as well go out doing something for the good'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if enough people do, they can't wack you all'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so again... if doom is the only outcome, then what's the point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said doom was the only outcome?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they can completly control the media... and cover up a car bomb... then they can kill a couple thousand people with no trouble... IF you are able to mobilize a quantity of people that can make a difference, then you are probobly just being manipulated into do what they want anyway... if what you say is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true coward'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was under the impression you'd sworn an oath'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now YOU"RE not getting it TG... you poop poop every solution, lambast every government official, call us cowards, and somehoe think you have the right of it... so what's you're solution?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can't be anything within the bounds of the law, but cause you maintain that the law is in "their" back pocket'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, that's pooh-pooh, just so you know'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saying poop poop makes you sound rather silly'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I stand corrected... POOH POOH'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about poo poo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's easier to get to on the KB'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '....maybe the guy who shot Gabby Giffords in the head had the right idea?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that definitly was not with in the bounds of the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a book by Vince Flynn called "term limits" that eludes to the notion of assasinating corupt politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have i poop poop'd?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Time out... DBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just makes me mad when people give up, accept the bad. We fight for what is right even though it's often the most difficult path'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When the man is trying to bend me over and demands access to my b-hole or they'll kill me...my last words will be "fuck off". Von's will be "Ok go on ahead, no sense in choosing doom. I'm already fucked anyways." And then they'll shoot us both. But only one of us will die a free man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'is this a real scenario? You are afraid of getting raped or killed? I would recommend buying a large dog train it or buy a katana blade to protect yourself or learn how to use a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just not to the point where I am "bent over"... I have a very good life, and most everyone around me has a good life. infact, the only people I know who DON'T have a good life have made a mistake (DUI, Drop-out, etc...)  Who, exactly, IS bent over?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was remembering the quote "We must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'in life, there are always other people who have worse than you have it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 9 out of 9 that don't have a good life, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'your not the only one suffering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'People with D.U.I's have been "bent over" in many cases. The constanly lower the BAC limit so that they can nab more people with fines.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9 out of 10'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and people who get nabbed BITCH about it... never mind that they might have blown .15 BAC... "the system is out to GET me, MAN!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can blow that after using mouthwash, or drinking diet soda'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'if your healthy and you can work a job, most of america is on welfare or has life threatening diseases like cancer, strokes, mental illness.you will be fine'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, DUI is hardly a measure of wether all is well in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. and every drunk who ever stumbled out of a bar and got in his car JUST used mouthwash'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to wonder what kind of closet you live in to think that drunk drivers are the only issue in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'something like 40% of the entire economy is being paid a wage insufficient to provide for basic necessities.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about the entire generation of kids growing up who have no prospect of somewhere decent to live, who will suffer poor quality food and air, possibly even starving'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the countries full of people who live in fear of bombing, or opression'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG, you are sick of everyone giving up.  Well I'm sick of everyone bitching about "getting bent over" and "being a victim"... stand up like a man and make your situation better befor you start bitching about the system, or how the system is keeping you beat down.  Do for yourself before you bitch about nobody doing FOR you. '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't think you quite grasp the vector, VL, i'm guessing you must be of an older generation, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the "you" in that tiraid was directed at the channel at large.. not just TN'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There is a good reason that they don't just make driving while having ANY alcohol on your breath, because people will stop trying to drive after a few beers and then they won't generate the revenue they are looking for.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the older generations in the world are entirely responsible for dicking the whole world, whether it's imperialism, or from robbing the world blind then pulling up the ladder of opportunity after themselves, it's your collective fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am of the "middle" generation... there is still a generation kicking around that is older.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to tell a youngster now to do for themselves, well how can they? there are no jobs, there is no money, everything is out of reach, and government regulations and policy makes it all but impossible for them to do ANYthing for themselves. The whole system has been set up so that the only option they -have- is to rely on government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Guns and speech are all we got left....'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We can use the shit out of those.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have neither, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I agree Tigernuts. The Elites and the NSA and the New World Order control everything we do hear say so they have the wealth and the poor are oppressed. but as a Conservative I believe in the american dream. I believe in capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me ask you this, TN... why aren't you at the library doing course work, or picking up aluminum cans from the ditch, or in the military, or taking online study courses to get the skills you need for the jobs that Are out there.  how come you aren't spending your days at the local political action office painting signs?  how come you aren't marching in protest instead of playing this POINTLESS GAME EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'you guys better stock up on canned food if we get nuked. '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wasn't is George Carlin who said only an idiot would believe in the American Dream, after all, you have to be asleep to believe it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a job working 60 hours a week despite being partially crippled, and i am very politically active'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correction, 54hrs'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm one of those people who are doing the very things that you are accusing me of not doing'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm telling you is that it doesn't matter how fast you peddle, the exit gets further away'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the entire Occupy movement had figured out the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a thin layer of tin alloy, teflon, and various preservatives to keep the food inside unnaturally fresh will not be able to withstand a nuke, Beastus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'yes after the food supply runs out and martial law is made into effect, I believe its not going to be a nuke bomb a missle maybe or a bomb that denonates over america that shuts down the grid causing world wide panic riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'looting etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well Hanslanda, if I'm irradiated won't matter much if the ramen noodles and can of corn are also will it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's gonna be weaponized malware.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're both wrong, it'll just be switching off of the food stamps and devaluing of the currency causing mass poverty '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all perpetrated by a debt default and bond market collapse'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Tigernuts is right.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is why the Obama administration is doing its very best to keep the poor not self sufficient and making as much of the middle class poor as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'as possible'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll stagnate for several years while they continue to militarise the police and get people used to martial law'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit...much like Aard, life has been steadily getting easier'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe in your head it has, abe'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people have more shit today than they did the generation before, which had more shit than the generation before that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had 100% employment here 40 year ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just that you entitled whining fucktards want MOAR MOAR MOAR'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also destroying rural farmers and putting a stop generational wealth. Want to leave your farm to your son? Fuck you! Big government says you have to sell it to a corperation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and house prices 3.5x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't have basic cable growing up...now every kid demands a cell phone by age 6...but we're all too poor, woe is us'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we never had anything like that growing up'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I know what you mean Abelinc I was the same way in the 90s as a kid we didnt need cable I watched my shows on normal rabbit ears and I was poor but we had enough money to buy toys and video games'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: you're on Aard plenty of the day. you're not that bad off, regardless of how much you bitch about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i have i grind for, abe, but it's opportunity that is lacking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we are in is serfdom'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, if you're a criminal'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or if you're merely ambitious'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read: liar'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'See that is a typical liberal response by Abelinc, "you are doing 'good enough' you have a phone and a job, Stalin would be proud"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never has there been an age of more new [non-family money] million/billionaires as today'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I am waiting for Obama to get impeached and hopefully Jeb Bush will run for prez. they can then bring back the house of reps with republicans and we can get a solid strong military back again and a good economy'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah they are making record profits off of the reccession'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, it'd be more a conservative view than a liberal one'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'inflation did that.  A million dollars doesn't mean much anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, DS, you're working 54 hours a week, then doing 10 hours a week of physio just so you are capable of working, but no, you shouldn't be allowed to own your own property'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Same thing abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at DeathSyte's remark.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The only thing that Dems and repubs differ on is faggots, guns and baby killing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go DeathSyte!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abe's philosophy can be best decribed as "I'm alright, Jack"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my lovely government announced today they were selling off the Royal Mail service'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I am alright...and I'll do what it takes to remain that way :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'TN has it even worse than I do over in the U.K. where even just defending yourself against criminals is considered a criminal act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals usually leave us alone, they're mostly too busy running global banks and being politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'Obama has taken away our religious freedoms in America you can be arrested for preaching to people, or sapeaking the name of Jesus. Obama is Muslim and not Christian many people were fooled and a lot of christians voted for him. In Middle east north korea christians are murdered daily and arrested and beaten.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Abe do you agree with the property taxes you likely pay? You seem like a homeowner with a wife to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, pretty much everyone here knows that I have a wife, as she's also my aardspouse...not sure what homeowner has to do with a wife, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and speaking of wife, it's 5:30 and time to head home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not sure either. I suppose I should have said partner so it'd be less offensive to gay people. Ya know thats a thing now in America. Talking about your husband or wife is looked down upon because it's not gender nuetral enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I'm a bigot for not being in full raging support of late term abortions. Funny the society we live in today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a story about people being tortured and trafficked for money: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2013/July/Tortured-in-the-Sinai-I-Was-Hanged-for-Days/'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you bro-choice, DS?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should shut up and try harder, because after all, Abe's doing fine'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of white trash getting abortions as well, not sure why it'd be bigot'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the home command might be the aard-phenomenons that I miss the most in RL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-s'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think there should be a limit on when you can get one. I think at some point it is straight up euthanization of a child. Morally they should only be done for health reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The fact that abortion is something that is celebrated by women and touted the same way as women's sufferage is disgusting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum living wage, good thing or bad thing? For various reasons US folks won't understand, I heavily support it here'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think it's good for now. Would do more good than bad to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'rape is not a health issue, are you saying a rape victim should be stuck with a reminder of the crime?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the thing is when they raise the minimum wage here, it's not good and tends to be an indicator of inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, it's a bit of both I'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a minimum wage will do more than put money in the employee's hands.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll give you the context, the government here hands out welfare in the form of tax credits to top up people on low wages, so really tax payers are subsidising big business'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that context, i'd rather businesses forced to pay a living wage and get rid of the tax credits'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you want them to raise the cost of their services so that customers can be less able to use them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hanslanda yes they could, thats why they wouldn't wait 10 weeks to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think no, hans, but now i'm of the opinion that we can't go on failing to value the worth of things, whether that means continuing to buy cheap shit from china above more expensive stuff made at home,'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also fun fact: Teddy Roosevelt was a "rape baby".'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, if wages had to rise at the lower end in retail, some price rises would be inevitable, but i believe between the extra tax revenue, lower welfare bill, it would at worse balance out'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i don't think businesses should be able to dodge it by forcing workers to go self-employed and contract in with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'retail is just a very small part of what would be affected by a minimum wage (at least here in the states).'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the same principle holds across the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if business x pays under the minimum level needed to live, then tax payers are making up the difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, medical pricing would go up.  Most people have insurance, so insurance costs go up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance wouldn't go up even remotely as much as obamacare would cause it to go up'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what kind of medical workers earn minimum wage?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'none, but plenty of them don't earn enough (even above min wage) to support themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how will raising the minimum wage to a living wage harm that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'medical assistants, coders, etc.  Those are in the working-poor region where they don't earn enough to live but earn too much to get welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'direct cost to the company.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one would hope they would benefit through lower taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like they have the same problem that a whole raft of people here have, earning too much for help, not earning enough to live'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here the problem is exacerbate by government policy that puts immense upward pressure on the cost of living, something neither VL nor Abe doesn't seem to grasp'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonky english'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the same in the US.  If you are poor, staying poor isn't going to make you more rich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess an analogy would be a man who is hungry that has space for a garden. Great, so with effort he can plant in his garden and reap the reward of having food. The government analogy is man starts planting, government comes in, digs all the plants up kills them, then arrests the man if he replants'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or taxes seeds and garden implements so high that man cannot plant a garden'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish granted!'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'The coolest character in Game of Thrones is Arya.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've never watched game of thrones, so I disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sword art online greater than symbol game of thrones'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've only read the books so far, only seen one or two episodes of the HOB series'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'HBO...son of a bitch'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'team joffrey!'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'joffrey is a douche :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'arya is awesome, tyrion is awesome, davos should not get killed, I am only on book 2 so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hopefully no one kills sansa though she is too innocent to live...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'a santa sane?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i hope nothing bad happens to the starks'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everything bad happens to the starks :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they are hard blood though'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all of them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or are you refering to the musical group "Police"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'All of them except 'the police'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But fuck Sting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would you rather have?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the singer not the wrestler.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what is you're suggested alternative to the coppers?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay okay Von...I'll clarify. Fuck current 'police training''
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a bit more reasonable... what don't you like about the training?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stop treating us all like criminals. Less cops doing speed traps and more cops in the bad streets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while municipal and state police have always been a source of revenue for their respective levels of government, "speed traps" are often a response to citizen complaints in specific areas.. I don't know what the proportion is, but when I see a cop posted in an area where speeding is chronic, I think "good job"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Police presance is supposed to work as a detterant to crime right? In my state they actually have warnings signs that have a speed radar on them so that you check your own speed before you go through the actual speed trap. This works much better in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You are right Von, so just discourage speeding instead of hiding in the bushes so you can 'catch' them doing it just to write a ticket, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And no, I didn't just get a speeding ticket or something lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... I have to disagree... the possibility that you could get popped at any second, on any street and not see it coming is a pretty good deterent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if it's really a deterent, or if it just sounds like it would be a deterent so we all agree it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you only slow down when you see the cop car, or sign, it'd take alot of cars and signs to effective reduce speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, when a cop has a car pulled over with all the blinking lights, it has a sobering effect on everyone that passes by.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that that's a bit off the topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^thats true lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, though, I wonder if anyone has actually studied whether or not these things actually affect the overall situation'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also - as long as the cop is sitting in his hidy-hole napping, he's not eating all the donuts in the donut shop'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not saying they don't, I just get worried that sometimes we reason that things should work a certain way, but then we don't really check to see if it does'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It just seems to me that the speed traps are more designed to generate revenue rather than stop speeding. They might even rely on speeders to help pay for the police budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what better way to fund the law than with dollars from law-breakers?  if they wern't out there generating revenue with tickets, you'd just be making up the difference with taxes.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^good argument.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do they adjust my taxes when they bag more speeders?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or you'd be constantly bombarded with offers of fund-raising raffle tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^better argument by Razkin lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as long as the cops dont personally gain from giving the ticket'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt that taxes are directly connected to the rate of tickets... but it certainly has an effect over time'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think that's why people get worked up and start accusing them of meeting quotas and whatnot'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Some PD's have quotas and others don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for "cops benifiting"... I know they have quotas, but that's less about ensuring revenue than it is about keeping the cops from napping at their speed traps... job preformance rewards are not unique to the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I understand having them, but it's not good pr, and people tend to feel that they're being hunted when there's quotas'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But even with no quotas, if a traffic cop isn't writing any tickets, they'll have a talking too from their supervisors'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but with police it can lead to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I agree.  But people still feel like they get the tickets because of the quotas, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed.. just like any salesman would get a talk for not selling his wars'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wares'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'small towns pulling over non locals and giving them bs tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is somewhat correct Raz, cops hunt out violations even little ones so that they cannot be accused of 'not doing their job''
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... cops are an imposing authority figure... they CAN effect you, so you get itchy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The thing that I really say fuck the police on is the 'traffic stop' portion of the ticket writing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unfortunately, like many other groups, most of the cops out there are just regular people, but when you meet a bad one, it really affects you'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean who is gonna fight a 25$ ticket they get in a little podunk town in the middle of nowhere especially if they are not even from that state'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also - who among us leades such a pristine life that we don't have a few guilt issues now and then.  Cops are the physical manifestation of that guilt.. the instrument of your doom, if you will.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'let's be honest, most of the time if you're having an extended interaction with the police, something bad is happening, so when one is unprofessional, etc.  it has a much more negative impact'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They pull you over, they ask you why they pull you over first. This is so they can try to get you to incrimminate yourself by admitting to a crime. They may have pulled you over for not using a turn signal, but you say you were speeding. BOOM two tickets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and it's easy to forget all the ones that you've seen keep their cool and be professional'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'respond with a question .... do you know why i pulled you over? respond was i speeding?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats the heart of the problem Raz, even the 'good cops' are trained to be bad cops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unless you know exactly why perhapse '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've always played it straight when ever I get pulled over - It's worked pretty well the dozen or so times I've been stopped (in many states).  Generally, the no BS approach has spared me the ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that is anecdotal, and not appropriate for debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some cops will let you go if you actually realized you made a mistake'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I just don't pop attitude and start having an excuse for everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They are trained to hold you hostage in a traffic stop...pulled over for speeding. 'mind if I take a look in your vehicle?' If you decline, now he his gonna really fuck with you just for flexing your rights. As though if you let him do whatever he wants maybe he'll be gracious enough to not give you a ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fist why break laws that would get you pulled ober in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When a cop is being friendly with you more often than not they are just fishing for info. "have you had anything to drink?" Then you yourself might say "eh I've had a few beers". DON"T SAY THAT SHIT!. Because now you have admitted that you were drinking. Now you gotta take a breathalyzer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that instance is the exception, DS... generally, they won't ask that unless they see a likely profile. in which case, attitude is everything.  Nobody likes to get an attitude... if you give the waitress an attitude, she'll spit in your food... there's similar situations all over'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'El, a cop can just say you broke a traffic law when you did not. The can 'profile' you first by running your plates.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'my friend got pulled over once when i was in his car ... the cop asked me why i was nervous i flat told him "i am adhd and forgot to take my medicine today"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give the clerk at the DMV an attitude, and you end up with a license plate that says "I-8-ASS"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Look like a stoner in your ID pick? *sirens*'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'friend car expired tag and limo tints'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also here is a good bit of info, EVERYTHING you say to cop can and will be used against you in a court of law. NOTHING you say to a cop will help you in court.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he got fix ticket for tints and warning on tag'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's always best to invoke the 5th amendment and do not answer any questions for the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... no doubt, DS.. that "kind hearted" cop will sit on the stand and gut you later.  But that's really part of his job.  I wouldn't like that part, and I don't think alot of cops like it either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'know a friend that when to a house to get some pot once ... cops were watching the house or something pulled him over a few blocks later for no reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Another good tip, since El touched on it. It's best not to drive if you've had anything to drink at all. And despite the 4th amendment, just dont keep weed in your car lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'elchanan... they just said "we pulled you over for no reason"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They have to tell you why the pulled you over.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he asked the cops why they pulled him over they asked what he was doing at that house ... basically told them if you had no reason to pull me over arrest arrest me or let me go because i have nothing to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And about my point earlier Von, even if a cop tries to speak on your behalf, it gets stricken out of court as heresay. I imagine many cops don't like that,'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... if you just did a quick stop at a know weed shop... I'd find an excuse to pull you over too...  just like you'd find an excuse to go walk by that hot-ass chick that works down in HR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they let him drive off'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kid had a blue mohawk too'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and was in a very black neighborhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually I have been in a car with friends in Chicago. We got pulled over for something. My buddy dropped the blunt we were smoking out the window real quick...So after the cop wrote the driver a ticket for whatever. He picked up the blunt and gave it to him and said "btw you guys dropped your blunt"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chicago police dont care about the little shit lol. But this was over 15 years ago so things have changed since then no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some cops care some dont'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I was jaywalking in Chicago once and a cop honked his horn and said,"Get the fuck off the road" and sped off. It looked like he was smoking a cigar too lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if a cop asked me if they could search my car i would ask them if its routien'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like I said, it's more to do with the police nazi training than the people themseves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why would you ask that Elch?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and then see what bullshit they give me and say well ill have to cunsult a lawyer first because that does not sound right'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'consult '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and at the point, the cop would think "asshole" and make your life miserable'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You know it's not routine. If they have to ask you, then they do not have probable cause. All you have to say is "I do not consent to searches"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if they wanna search my cat i wanna know what there damn probably cause is'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't punch a bear in the nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that just makes you an idiot'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i suppose use the i do not consent to searches ... some times they might insist tho'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And if they threated to impound your car, let them. Because when the search comes up with nothing thats lawsuit ammunition and the cop will get in trouble of sorts for wasting PD time and money. Usually if they threaten to impound its an empty threat. Call them out on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't have to be a push-over... you just carefully and quietly back away from the bear'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are they even allowed to search the car after its impounded'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right Von, you can excercise your rights respectfully. Dont say shit about a lawyer and stuff like that. Just calmly state your rights. They'll figure out who they are dealing with.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'big issue is damn dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah they can call in dogs. And they can impound until they can get a search warrant. The impounding one if much more rare as they only want to do that if they already have you heavily profiled and they KNOW you move drugs around.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and i came upon a bear once was walkin strait towards me ... i yelled at it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im not to worried about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'only know one person that had no record and had car searched'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also police dogs can be trained to give a 'false positive' so that they can search your car. Basically police are trained to hassle. The answer is to hassle back. Also USE YOUR CAMERA PHONE if you can. It can actually be dangerous to invoke your rights without video proof.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and he had a damn box with a volcano in the seat next to him'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The judge will almost always take the cops word over yours. But if you have video proof of the interaction it can help out greatly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cop asked him so whats in the box and dude said electronics... cop was like may i see'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I can refer you guys to some really informative youtube vids on these subjects if you'd like.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and of course person refused'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'then what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they brough out the dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What'd they find?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol had a friend get pulled over once because we were backed up to a canal and they were responding to a alarm on the other side of the canal'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a volcano and prob a lil bag'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah like I said film them. Some could plant evidence, it has happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and that cop if they would have noticed the gar guts on the floor would of had cause to search'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but my friend was like why are you pullingme over i stopped to use my cell phone ... im a member of aclu '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and got damn aggressive with cop ... he let us go'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ya know law enforcement is pushing to have cops just walk down neighborhood sidewalks with drug dogs? So that they can just randomy get 'probable cause' to search anybodies home.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'granted looked suspicious too prob when they turn on the street were were on with a spot like and them my friend started driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah that cop doesn't want to mess with the ACLU Elch, lol. They do get police fired.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they were fine to pullus over in reality tho'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean they had a house allarm doing off on the other side of the canal and my friend was there not even in park but with foot on brakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that no doubt cause for a check'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i ate the gar wrapper ... that was nasty'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive never had a problem with cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol that one was fun walking home with a mississippi mud jug'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in the road cop comes driving down then road asks what it is. i just held it in with my finger through the hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the say beer i say yes they say are you 21 i say yes they say have a good night'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh and cops cant really make up random crap and pull you over for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not legally at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They can pull you over for no reason. They just have to come up with a reason before the interaction is over.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's not that they can as in they are allowed to, it's just that they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you knwo youve done nothing wrong they when they ask if you know why say no i dont'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, but then they say you didnt use a turn sig or were speeding...then what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they pull over the wrong person they get harassment claim'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people could prob prove that they were not speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and even that they did infact use turn signal'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you fight ticket file complaint '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You could yes. And if you go to court that cop may have to come in on his day off. They may not care though so that is overtime pay for them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh the days when cars have computers than monitor every thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'frikkin sue the city for wasting my time'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, I got my car camera's up. one on the rearveiw pointed at the drivers side. Which shows the cop and myself. I would flip it on if I ever get pulled over again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I would still record on my phone as well. Since that will hassle the cop even more. I'm working on getting my own dash cam as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im talking about that and even down to monitoring speed searing turn signals ... every thing '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also my recordings all go to a cloud storage service. So they can't 'lost the evidence' if they try to confiscate my phone or break my cam.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'steering* '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is also true Elch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they say your swerving well onboard computer says driving was ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'should actually be doable on new cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc   <---this is a vid of a lawyer describing our 5th amendment rights in detail and why you should never talk to police. The second half is a cop pretty much confirming everything the lawyer says. It's a good watch. It helps that they talk fast. It's about 48 minutes long but check it out if you have time. It could save you a lot of trouble in the future someday.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yes Elch but when that is possible than hacking your car can be possible too. In fact it allready is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cops can lie  their ass off'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'right, and them lying won't get your ticket thrown out. They are legally allowed to lie to you. They can threaten to take you to jail for not consenting to a search or not answering questions. Even though that is totall bullshit. They are allowed to use fear to coerce you into submission.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why my friend said pretty much arrest me or let me go because i have nothing else to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A good thing to ask them if they are just trying to question or pressure you is to just ask 'am I being detained?' if they can not come up with a reason why you are being detained then you are totally free to go.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But don't walk off until they say you aren't being detained. They can stall for coming up with a reason but you can fuck that up by just recording them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also if you are not being suspected of a crime in most states you do not have to provide an I.D. if they ask for it. If you aren't being detained and you give up your ID to them they might tell you that you are free to go but...they are still running your ID. This is another way they hassle people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like I said, fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you on public property in alot of places they can  get it form you'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think many states have laws wich require a person to have Id'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on thier person'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if your in a private establishment and not drinking ... then fore sure dont have to give them id'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it depends on state to state. So you should look up the law before you refuse to ID. Because in the wrong state you can get arrested right then and there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it also depends on why they're at your residence (also part of the state law).  If they're getting complains, and they find drinking, they can check to see if you're of age'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most lawyers will tell you to follow their directions, then sort out what they did wrong in the courtroom'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah here in my state we have those old ancient vagrancy laws. It's illegal in my city to walk around with no ID and not have at least 2 dollars in your pocket lol.I have never heard of it being enforced though'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Raz any good Lawyer would tell you to never answer police questions without him (the lawyer) present as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i knew back dude like 40's with dreads studying for his bar exam at a coffe shop on the way out a cop said to him have a "good day son"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dude said dont call me son i dont look like you damn son do i'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I didn't say answer their questions, I said follow their directions'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and any good vacuum salesman would tell you not to lay on your carpet unless it had been cleaned with his super-duper vacuum'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cop started asking him for id and dude told him you see this book im studying the bar im in a private establishment i dont need to show you a damn thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Does that mean consent to searches no matter what Raz? I'm just wondering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it depends, if you know it's an illegal search, I'd let them do it.  Anything they find will get thrown out'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rookie cops superior pulled the rookie back'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But Raz, if you consent than it's not an illegal search.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, I see what you're saying, no I wouldn't say 'sure, you can check my car'.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"probable cause" is generally your best friend... lack there of is the biggest reason that cases get thrown out.  If the LEO can't establish a reasonable probable cause, then anything that is discovered there after is tossed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, I misunderstood for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea dont consent to search ... then id they search any ways'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yes Von, but then the cop can use their secret weapon, "I smell weed".'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just like if they ask you id take the id out dont be stupid and show it through the flap in you waller'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wallet'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time out... DBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and skunk can smell like weed too some times'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and skunk can smell like weed too some times'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol thats a great one from that vid...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'irs asks to talked to you say yes but with only if i have immunity'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey about the cops being able to call in dogs if you refuse a search thing. If you are not being detained and they do not have probable cause. You do not have to sit there and wait for the dogs to show up. Ask the officer if you are being detained if they threaten that. Because if you are not then the interaction with the police is vountary at that point and you are most certainy free to leave. Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Here is a video of a shitty cop, not the worst but pretty shitty. I'll get to the real bad ones later.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgb3GXuMnq4'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'http://www.libertynews.com/2013/07/rahm-emanuel-calls-special-session-in-chicago-to-use-gun-free-zones-to-violate-2nd-amendment-rights-after-concealed-carry-law-passes-in-illinois/    '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chigago's faggot dickhead mayor is feeling the butthurt of people actually having rights in Illinois. So you know he's just gotta fuck it up any way he can lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I umm thought I deleted faggot and put dickhead...guess....not. oops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, get ready for a 10-20 cent per gallon increase in the price of gasoline in the US in the next couple weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the landlocked oil in the middle of the country is not landlocked anymore.....new crude from texas, oklahoma, north dakota and canada is being shipped all over the country thanks to 900% increase of rail shipments, new oil pipelines, and trucking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the price of the WTC is getting higher and will match the price of brent sea crude soon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, the nobel food prize went to 3 executives, including 2 from monsanto.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Taco bell has decided to stop calling its meat in its food 'meat'  From now on it will be called protein so that people are not confused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'is that actually true?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A stomach virus that kills most of the piglets it infects is tearing across America, reaching farms in at least 13 states just a month after it was first detected here.  The virus is killing 50-100% of piglets in some farms.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'where did you hear that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'death to GMO pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists say a strain of porcine epidemic diarrhea virus (PEDV), which shares 99.4 percent of its genes with a strain that recently killed more than 1 million piglets in China, is harmless to humans and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can expect higher bacon prices this fall and next year because of the virus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hope my backyard piggies don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no backyard meese ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids eating pork products
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I couldn't find a source for baby moose'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the disease is spreading across farms, somebody is spreading the disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well THIS is creepy and insidious. Processed-crap peddlers McDonalds, Kraft, and Dominos have realized eaters interpret perfect-looking food as artificial (you mean meat doesn't naturally come packaged like Post-Its?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So what are they doing? Working harder to make their shitty food look like your scrappy neighborhood café made it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suspects: food inspectors, government officials, veternarians, feed suppliers, ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the raw carrots are too orange-red, those carrots were poisoned with coloring'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you've ever wondered whether water improves with age like a fine wine, wonder no longer: The answer is "nope." Scientists found water in Canada that had been trapped in veins of rock 1.5 miles underground for at least a billion and possibly as much as 2.64 billion years. In the name of pure research, one of the discoverers took a taste.  The water tasted like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aged water that tastes bad may contain pathogens'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He turned into a zombie, and ate a pig.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 crop bugs have developed immunity to corn and cotton crops genetically engineered to contain the pesticide Bt, so they're now munching away with impunity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love natural evolution.....you screw with nature, it screws you back.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love hotdogs....the pink ooze protein filling that is used to make them....oh yum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do cotton and corn products come with a dose of Bt pesticide'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is built in...and the bugs have become immune to it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the plant creates the pesticide thanks to genetically modifying it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a gene is added to the plant that makes it immune to pesticides like roundup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt need pesticides if the soil was healthy.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'on healthy soil there would still be pests'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a healthy plant can fight pests much easier than a non healthy plant....same as animals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. court system is refusing to protect the organic growers from future Monsanto lawsuits in the event that traces of genetically engineered genes accidentally end up in the farmers' crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the U.N. wants you to eat more insects, because it's a more sustainable way to get protein -- and we should all do as the UN says right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heil UN'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coming to a store near you....bug protein based energy bars....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the U.N. is run by humans, and humans are not to be trusted, says so in the Bible -- "trust not in man", but that includes religious "man" allegedly speaking for some (fake version of) god'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'in a lot of parts of the world people do eat fried bugs, theyre reasonably healthy if prepared, washed and cooked properly'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"eating insects" increases the chance of eating parasites and bacteria and virii and prions, and other pathogens and chemicals and dirt'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in other parts of the world there are a lot of horrid diseases'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why any more than other farmed animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are far more horrid diseases in africa than in the USA  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'remove and disallow gmo patents when the percentage of gmo contamination is below a small percwentage'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when gmo foods are shown to cause and encourage pestilence and biodiversity reduction, perhaps totally remove and disallow gmo patents'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GMO research is only supposed to be done by government and university research labs -- with no gmo patents resulting from the work'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unregulated GMO in private industry is a recipe for disaster - mainly the biodiversity reduction, and the fact that any *widespread* gmo food is waiting for a hostile pestilence to wipe out the whole crop'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polyesters may replace cotton'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hemp is the future'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we heard you earlier'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of the police, did you hear about the Brazilian soccer ref who stabbed a player he ejected?  The crowd didn't like it, so they rushed the field and beheaded him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and placed his head on a pike'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my ex gf worked as a police. a hm. investigator. i felt so much less manly playing my guitar and doing art and such:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor police'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty screwed up: http://www.infowars.com/new-app-allows-users-to-tattle-on-gun-owners/'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet if someone made an app for people to record where there live "niggers likely to cause crime", there'd be an outcry'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if some random stranger comes up to you and points a camara at your face, is it any different than the public camaras we have already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are there solar flares going around atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean as reported by Stereo-A and Stereo-B?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no more like my wifi modem is using EDGE atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you pay your bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the question should be "Are there any solar flares that are affecting us significantly?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are always flares.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or perhaps did you go over your plan limit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i didnt if i did i wouldnt have internet period'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it could be just lots of traffic due to some snafu elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you engaged in data spiking?  Some providers will throw the lever if you download too much stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought you only used EDGE with broadband.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is 2:30 am in the morning i have used less than a gig so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem maybe some clog somewhere else and so your path is overloaded atm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps it's maintenance time for your ISP, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the network does automatic switching so you never know how problems elsewhere affet your routing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'affect*'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'has been doing it the last 30 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that really does imply a network bottleneck.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it doesn't abate, I would contact the ISP.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'give it an hour or so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i am back to HSDPA'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last time we had an hour double, I kept hanging waiting on data reads. It usually means that the part of the network is down. It seems that that was the case with you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hey, debate freaks. what is "cool"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you don't know, you're not it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal . o O ( thats twisted )
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ain't with it without it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats like french philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'existential coolness :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Napolitano to quite as head of the DHS'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quit*'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman, guilty or not guilty of 2nd degree murder?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'guilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's always a great sign when the jury is slow to decide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'the guy is clearly fuilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'guilty*'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fuilty as charged'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it means they doubt the evidence presented, and someone always gets royally screwed as a result.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I want him to be found not guilty, just so I can see the media outrage'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm don't think that he is guilty of 2nd degree murder. And the prosicution did a poopy job of proving he was guilty of such. They'd have been better off charging him with some degree of manslaughter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I don't see why there is so much outrage over this case when Casey Anthony clearly killed her own child and got away with it. Oh you mean they are both white so nobody can feign racial outrage? Ok gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and what about poor snowdin'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah, he should have punched a black guy or something. Then people would pay attention to him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If Snowden had not left the country already he would have gotten into a car "accident" like Micheal Hastings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd laugh if North Korea accepted him. He'd live like a king if he spilled the secrets to them'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what agency did he work for'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'NSA'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The NSA Grissom'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'He worked for a contracting company for the NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He worked "for" them but he was not an NSA agent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's amazing what he was allowed to know despite that though ain't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'not really, gov't ran.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'how long till they off him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the NSA can look at your emails and skype chats whenever they want.  Microsoft actually built them private ways into your system, so they don't even have to hack you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'He had the clearance, which meant he had to pass a polygraph. But even that can't always predict a change of heart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'So then Linux is safer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doubtful.  If you oppose the government too much, they start taking shit away from you.  Makes it hard to do business when they're not approving permits and such.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they might not have ripped their pants down as fast an eagerly as Microsoft did, but I'm sure they all eventually caved.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, that is a bad and illegal action by a corrupt government'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'solution = dont live in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'NSA spies on other countries too'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'officially, that's all they spy on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm still uncertain of why people are acting like this is the first they're hearing of something like this. ECHELON was around long before PRISM.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternate suggestion: don't be so fast to accept corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Officially, no, that's not all they spy on. Their focus is predominantly foreign-focused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is what you think, but google is not used by the majority of foreigners.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use Bing, don't they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm referring to NSA's overall focus, not the focus of PRISM.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'baidu is what most of asia uses'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'havent heard of the taliban using google to search for bomb recipes'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'perhaps, but the gathering of data is mainly from what you would describe as macro or internal services that primarly are used by citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'googling for the AH went out of fashion a long, long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there are 12 world backbones that everything goes through.  that is where in theory they would place the services to search/strip and store data, but only focusing on certain companies that only citizens would know is the more interesting part nobody discusses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm actually referring to NSA's overall SIGINT mission for DOD. PRISM is a small part of what they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rising tax revenue, public spending cuts and big payments to the Treasury from government-backed mortgage companies helped the government take in $117 billion more last month than it paid out, '
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the budget deficit in 2013 is expected to be around $800 billion...down almost $300 million from 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'billion that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zuckerberg should never have taking FB public. Now he is spiraling down the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'taken*'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'White House officially dispenses with any form of media neutrality: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/12/white-house-escalates-war-words-fox-news/'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marc Rubio dead and buried in Iowa GOP poll'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/12/Rubio-Drops-to-5th-in-Iowa-Poll'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rubio got the mittens' smell all over him :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'did you here that colorado is going to turn into north and south colorado, its a load of crap'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even aside from that, he's just shit as a libertarian conservative'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, Ghostleader, no matter how much I might like the idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Microsoft collusion with the NSA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23285642'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Colorado, The Welfare State :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, anaristos, the rural energy-producing conservative north wants to split from the welfare-democrat south'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alongwith some counties of the state above it'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you can see their point, if you have large geographical areas who are not being represented by their government, why shouldn't they seek an alternative arrangement?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same happening in the Uk visa-vie Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely healthy'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the resources of the north section of te state are "owned" by the whole state'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, so basically you dump the population that doesn't have any money. Where have I heard that before?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you have against the idea, GhostLeader?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private companies are private companies, the state doesn't own them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if private companies in the north sell to customers in the south, you tax the revenue and thus garner resources that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'it just isnt a great idea, imagine what general pike would say'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'people only agree to the current laws out of convenience'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not wrong, zade, you have absolutely no concept of private ownership, which is why you're a communist, and a bad one at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'private companies are a privilege not a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private -property- is a right, not a privelege'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the existance of states is a privilege for those who rule, not a right for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, homer'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of ad hominems indicates you know you are wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bull, zade, it's true and the fact you have no comeback proves it'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inconvenient rules are meant to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the constitution may be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if splitting of the state were to disadvantage the democrat south, then that tells you something very important'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitutions can be changed, rights cannot'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"there are no rights"'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no rights unless you stand up for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have no rights, it must mean you failed to defend those rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rights are an illusion that folk temporarily agree to permit each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the havenots prefer to defend and support a different set of rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rights are not permitted. priveleges are permitted'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rights are not about have and havenots'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the French Revolution, Tigernuts head 'd be severed off -- so much for "rights"'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, he wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though yours might look a bit under threat since you don't defend the rights of the people'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some may say that the callous greedy rich do not deserve any rights (at least not as many)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i would hope you are railing against is the idea of wealth conferring power over other people, and i'd agree with you on that, about intrenched position granted by right of birth'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has rights, rich poor, black white brown pink yellow'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"right of birth" - tell that to the Amerindians'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"rights" are an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't assume my opinion on indians, the treatment of them by the pioneers was horrific, as was the treatment of the indigenous south and central americans by the spanish'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the grim reaper comes, no more rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do not use bad actions of people of history to justify bad actions of the present, and the continuance thereof'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of a person does that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nancy Grace is a bit stupid, is she not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'she loves missing SWFs :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm beginning to suspect that there's some college out there doing some seriously dodgy teaching of "constitutional lawyers", because it seems anyone on tv claiming to be a constitutional lawyer has a great deal of difficulty understanding what it contains'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfiUzIo4lU'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Is Zade a sock puppet? (Am I?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'this is the local news report that makes me question the official story of Micheal Hastings fatal car "accident" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ujFHr0ZLI8 you should question it too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox 41,000 years ago the magnetic field that protects the Earth from cosmic radiation was about 5% of current strength, causing a massive increase in the amount of radiation that bombarded the planet.  A pole reversal that lasted about 250 years or so happened at the same time.  The northern hemisphere also was plummeting into an ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if that sort of thing interests you, there is a good TV series called "How the Earth was made" '
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh yeah, the little ice age'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what the tides were like when the moon was 12000 miles away.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 35,000 year ice age is not exactly little.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I was talking about the small one 250 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'And about the Moon tides, they'd be pretty interesting since the much larger earth is affecting them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is pretty cool...a 1000 years ago or so the chinese witnessed a supernova and creation of the crab nebula....'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder who else witnessed it and wrote about it in their history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'would you go to live on Mars?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and never come back'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'me - not. its completely boring place'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'but is it a good neighbourhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and people forget about you in 3 days'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'm curious to see what Mars would be like when terraformed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'well, its quiet out there. thats a plus comparing the saturday night in the middle of a dummytown'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I wouldn't want go go to mars with only a few people, I'm sure they will find a few people who would go when the time comes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, mars would definately only be a vacation thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah, you're probably right Malkar. they approach this thing completely wrong - they should try to send about 10000000 people there at once.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'send the convicts. and terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and possible terrorists too'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but is there a magnetic shield around Mars'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to euthanise the defective humans, not spread the human disease to other planets'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'In some cases'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'i'd rather reeducate then, unless they seem like lost causes'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Sun is likely to be hotter in a million years'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecturing that the human race is likely to be mostly long dead by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'look what happened to Australia:) their ancestors were all outcasts. i heard that somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if we found a sufficiently earthlike planet I'd go there, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mars can't be restarted in zillion years'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Though you know, being banished from overcast, drizzly England to sunny, gorgeous Australia...'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'full of poisonous critters'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Australians say most White Australians are descended from decent folk, that the convicts usually went back to England at the end of their sentence (but they may be merely saying that)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when there is a heat wave in Australia, cool and drizzly is okay'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWVw-j8eYSk'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All these worlds are yours, except Europa.  Attempt no landing there.  Use them together, use them in peace.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'should moral be a compulsory subject in schools, give your views.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no brainer isn't it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari waves happily.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'with my edu policy it is, can anyone offer a reason?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cause i have no idea why it is so'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It should be discussed, but not as a separate topic, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'separate topic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There shouldn't be a class called moral.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It should be discussed in the context of other topics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'such as'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'science, religion, social studies, sports etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'moral what ... you mean ethics? morality?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am simply wondering why such a class is compulsory in my country. yes ethnic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'different countries have different compulsory classes'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ethics can be a separate subject, but it would probably be a waste unless it's at college or higher'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but this is a downright ridiculous subject for primary and secondary, and I am not sure if it makes a difference in college or higher'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, most kids aren't ready for ethics. That's why I said it would be a waste of time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'kids are okay with learning it, we just feel like liars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need some real life context and some life experience first.... '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because to score you answer stuff that you would be unable to do anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like taking in a stray when you know you can't feed it. and etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't grade an ethics class, imho. There are no right or wrong answers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'imho? what's that'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in my humble opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is graded as a subject for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because some politician decided it was a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well that makes sense, we got crazy politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'read of Lynas before? new plant in M'sia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is the point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The closest thing we have to a place with anarchy is somalia, try going there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I knew the Fla verdict would be not guilty :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fla verdict ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fla verdict is that the judge is corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Sharpton is a bit of a crawler, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Melissa Harris is typical of female tv personalities with nothing between her ears'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSRnNC5s3Jw&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syrian Rebel forced caught with chemical weapons lab with ingredients from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh so that is what it means'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not seeing much in the news aside from political hitpieces'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was so sad to see all the violence in those Trayvon Martin riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'omg, did Obama really say "Honor Trayvon with gun-control"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'wouldn't suprise me. He also said if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's good to have a sensible president!'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did say it, wow, how fucked up is that, if there were more gun control laws, Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon on a murder charge, and it would be getting fuck all press'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'People are already getting butthurt about the verdict.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they don't like it when the law is followed'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're so used to arbitrary decisions'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'doesn't help that I live in a mostly black neighborhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there you go, arm for bear'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's strange, most vids on youtube I see, people aren't reacting with instead of anger, but awe and disbelief'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why, are they retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'maybe it's too soon though to say anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too early to say -what-, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'To judge people's reactions. Give it a little bit more time, and people will get even more angry'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should we care about people's reactions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps we should throw the constitution, bill of rights, and entire body of law away, just because Obama and his cronies are upset at a black crim being shot because he was pounding a white guy's head into the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's perfectly reasonable, i don't know what came over me'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Zimmerman probably would have lost if the prosecuting team didn't focus on emotional appeal'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had no case'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best? harassment'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police even let him go after the fact, they knew the score - everything that followed was political'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many jews were on the prosecuting team '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama definitely wins the wtfbbq prize though for tagging gun control to the debate, if that doesn't just scream AGENDA at people, then the whole publicisation of this, together with DOJ funding of the anti-zimmerman protests and a distraction from the warehouse full of other scandals won't twig either, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the defendant was white, so there's race bias before we even start'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many options were the jury given: first degree murder , second degree murder, manslaughter, or only second degree'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, i saw a stream of a protest last night'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd degree + manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of which were appropriate given the circumstances'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the defendant was non-black... he was not white'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It might be a good idea for Zimmerman to got to Canada for a year'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was white, VL, stop defending those white racists'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Only half white'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were there any afroamericans on the prosecuting team'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw at least one on there, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(yes, dreadful, i even watched the footage, saw the evidence)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(though not all of it)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the afroamerican on the prosecuting team a muzzled uncle-tom-type, there only to provide a token-image of (false) representation   '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have their biogs, zade, the only political bias i saw was the judge'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the president.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'The defence team was pretty slick'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jury was 100% female, which would tend towards a guilty verdict normally '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the main prosecutor (that botched the prosecution) a competent jew or an incompetent non-jew'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been found out again, covering up, using race baiting, making a scene as cover'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then squeezing it for as much political capital as they possibly can'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... its smells like a rotten bait-fish tank in this channel'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing left to come out is for one of the administration to somehow come up with an argument that the trayvon martin case is justification for higher carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Tigernuts for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every other bit of non-linked agenda has been pushed, zade, so it follows'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were there any afroamericans on the jury'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jurors are currently anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is that they were all women'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sounds like a malfeasance coverup'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are talking about a president that is willing to line the stage behind himself with the classmates of dead school children to push an anto-gun agenda... rest assured, the administration will make hey out of this deal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I thought the all female jury would fall for the prosecutor's appeal to emotion'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a one, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'families of sandy hook victims have also had the use of Airforce One to fly to washington for anti-gun lobbying.... AF-1 is MY tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't say that! racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecuter either deliberately botched the case or was (even deliberately) incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade, what you desire is for zimmerman to be charged under a different system of law in an alternate universe'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise, there was never any question of the outcome given the laws being applied'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... are you being facetious with all the "racist" comments?  or are you for real?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm being extremely sarcastic, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<whew>'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's something you see the left doing a lot at the moment, if you disagree with their agenda, you're a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that lead prosecuter from "Law & Order" were prosecuting, be a slam dunk for first-degree-murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... L&O would be one of the alternate universeses that TG was taling about'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't Zimmerman also guilty of paedophilia, by virtue of the photos of Trayvon as a 12yr old published on the news?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he also shoot JFK?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was bobby, TG.... He shot bobby K.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scriptwriters at "Law & Order" were extremely innovative in interpreting the law to find reasons for convictions'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman, sounds a bit jewish, perhaps it's some kind of Zionist plot'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'A White-Hispanic Jew?! Wouldn't the Jewish guilt override the White wealth and the Hispanic passion?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was the judge biased'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political appointee allied to the democrat party for one, and for deliberately interfering in the defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have a tough time making a civil case stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'OJ was found innocent in a jury trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, this is a reverse OJ trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, because OJ did it because he was black, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at some point you'll have to consider the possibility, that maybe, just MAYBE race wasn't relevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the trial shows that Florida is extremely racist against afroamericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the abortion case in texas shows that white women are child murdered?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murderers'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the glee start drug overdose shows that teenagers dancing and singing causes drug addiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are racist are likely blind to the obvious racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had a better chance of convincing people it was a Zionist plot, after all Trayvon's dad alegedly is a Mason'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you'd have SOME supporting evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'speaking of which, are you jewish, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even sure if i know any'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wannabe gun-toting, crazy supporter of the 2nd ammendment then'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support all of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though your comment implies that jews are anti-gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am responsible pro-gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're pro-gun, yet if anyone carries one or uses it in self defence, lock them up? doesn't sound very pro-gun to me'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am a socilist hawk (anticommunist)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i've seen of your comments, you're a totalitarian communist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am a socialist hawk (anticommunist), (though decades ago i was a republican hawk, but then Reagan and S&L happened)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you keep trying to claim you're anticommunist, pointing it out like it bothers you, yet your ideology seems to suggest that you're a closet communist, after all you don't believe in rights, you don't believe in private ownership of property, you believe in the arbitrary punishment of people outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're allowed to come out of the closet and say you're a communist, you know'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't shoot communists on site anymore, they elect them as president of the usa'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from what i've seen of your comments, Tigernuts, you seem to be suffering from dementia caused by third stage syphilus or something that causes illogical arguments'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i have mentioned are all views you have taken in the last few days'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd like people to make a different interpretation, justify them for us differently'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, was that a veiled suggestion of violence against a president you've slurred as communist -- is that legal in the UK to do that'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"innuendo" is a british word,  "finesse" is a french word'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's lovely, i've made no such threats'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Innuendo is derived from Latin, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids do kill brain cells, but the brain cells they kill are called "Glieoma" or Cancer of the brain(Tumor). All other brain cells are protected and healed by cannabinoids. (Glieoma cells cannot tolerate the action of cannabinoids)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mothers give their babies a booster shot of cannabinoids in mothers milk to give them the munchies because they have to learn to eat. (they've been fed thru the umbilical cord and did not have to know how to eat.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'wierd, weed doesn't make me hungry, beer does'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Cannabinoid System has been around for over 600 million years. Before the Dinosaurs. The Cannabinoid System is continuously evolutioning and has been retained by all new species. Food and feeding is at the heart of the Cannabinoid System.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, un biblical cord, c'est ce bon, oui'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids are in every living animal on the planet above Hydra and Mollusks, with the exception of insects. Bodies are homeostatically maintained by the Cannabinoid System.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids slow down the aging process. Mice that their brains respond to cannabinoids live longer and mice that have brains that block the CB1 receptors die younger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the case of most autoimmune diseases, the bodies immune cells produces free radicals & is destroying it's own body as a foreign object. Cannabis pushes the immune system into anti inflammatory mode & helps slow the progression of that disease, thereby slowing down the aging process.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seizures are controlled by marijuana not only THC, but non-psychoactive cannabidiol.(CBD) The exact mechanism is not known, however HEMP is high in CBD's & can cancel out the psychoactive high of THC & at the same time benefits the user or smoker. Cannabinoids control everything in our bodies including our minds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pharmaceutical companies are working at sythesizing different cannabinoid components and different types of strains of marijuana. If they can succeed, then there will be more choices to choose from and we will be able to use what works best for our particular bodies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabis research has shown that it protects nerve cells from dying thus could protect against Altzheimers and other brain diseases.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Our bodies make up marijuana like compounds to make us hungry. (gives us the munchies) Then turn off those compounds & we don't have the munchies anymore when it has had enough food. The cannabinoid system first appeared 600 million years ago. Food & feeding is at the heart of evolution & the development of new species.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah this is where you talk politics or religion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: '/h'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'hello jesus'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'so this is where you been hiding huh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wait...who's Jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sissy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'jesus well... we are far to far gone for that..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well if I were Jesus, I'd say, sure man, fighting evil for God is hard work, it's nice to unwind here, and fight evil just for fun'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'if i were no one i'd say no one forced ya, take a break and give some of your powers to others as well if they deserve/earned them'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dude...everyone has the powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'we do?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i know we got some easily overlooked ones but really..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone has telepathy, and the ability to heal with touch, and clairvoyance, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but at a 'normal' level, they don't seem like powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'they are all covered shut by higher powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you strengthen them, they become what seem to be 'powers'...but really, it's no more magical than working out and getting stronger'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'not everyone has telepathy..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'if you can't park a car you have no powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've found that a surprising amount of people respond to telepathy, even if they don't admit it or know they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and they can be below average, just like physical or intellectual strength...it's a variance like everything else'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'ok you just started becoming scary :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's a fascinating subject to me, and I've studied it more than a little bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i don't believe in higher powers myself...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all that means really, is that someone who uses the 'higher powers' as you call them, will still affect you, only you will rationalize a different explanation for what happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'look up Lyndon B. Johnson...the man had the power of compulsion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything can be taken back to 'yer cancelled' the very next second so what does that say about powers...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there is the glamour, which we call charisma...that can become a higher power if it is strong enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and oh yes, you can lose your higher powers if you misuse them, it's in the nature of how they work'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'but you said earlier, those highly favoured are likely to suffer the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well...with great power comes great responsibility.  They said that in Spider-Man, but it's still true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you drive the big rig, you make big mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(ycch)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'usually they don't license the big machine to people who are going to fuck up much, but if you get to drive it and you cause a big problem, you will have your card pulled'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'so little ones can't make big mistakes, i mean..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, little ones can make big mistakes, they just won't make a big problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i see you are not no one Cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'look at celebrities who nose-dive their careers with bad choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone can do that to their life, but when someone with big power does it, it makes a big explosion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and they pay big, and they get smacked down hard...because they were driving the big machine, and made a big fuck up'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is what I am getting at here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything exists because of it's opposite side and life on a whole is far to complex to even attempt cause... for each single person or entity things change every other second minute or hour..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, look at chess'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a multitude of moves, you never know what someone is going to do, anything could happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but it has a pattern, and you can influence it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'life is complex but it has a pattern, it can be understood'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and you ELO rating is what, 900 ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm not that good at chess'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, i was more looking at once moves are made have been made or have been forced to make'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've won a game or two'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'same here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all I'm saying is chess is complex but not unpredictable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'hmm yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'do I really need a huge ELO rating to say that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'im saying you can't look into everyone's household all at the same time so yer bound to miss someth8ing'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'basically, there is an infinitude of things happening at any given time, and the art of it is to arrange them from most to least pertinent, get the most pertinent things under control first, and then go for the extra credit with the increasingly less pertinent details'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'you may move a pawn but what does that say about the knight on the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'depends on the state of the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you have a huge wound, first you stop the bleeding, then you seal the wound, or stitch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and for extra credit, you make precise stitches, and refine your technique so that you can work faster'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'but if you play on one board are you paying equal attention to other boards as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but once you know what is important and what isn't, then you can practice the true art of paying attention'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'onve move on one board seems so limited to me'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'one'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and there's so many boards being played at and they all got their own aims and goals'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'right...but like I said, there is a pattern to the complexity'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'first of all, everyone on the boards is trying to win, so that simplifies things a bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'gather and dissolve'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'what if some are not in it to win...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you mean, they are just there to move pieces around and look cool?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'positions and options..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if they are in a chess game, then you end them quickly'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you can't beat someone who isn't trying, you might want to practice your game a bit more'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, if i wanted to loose and look at it from a loosers perspective..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sometimes that does tell a whole lot ya know'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'one thing never goes without the opposite of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'there is a winner and a looser'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, speaking of it as a game, let's say this:  people always make the best move that they think there is'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nope?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'you can choose to loose as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'this thing is partly allegorical what they are doing, but still...nope?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything is something'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can...if that is the best option you think you have, if winning is out of the question, then I guess you can just tip your king and be done with it, you can lose in one move if you want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'a king may loose a battle but win the game'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'what's in that game lost...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what's the best thing you could get from it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and that's possible at any given move inside the game'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'just saying, who pondered all'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best thing you can get from a losing game is a lesson on how to play better next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, if you take it to a battlefield, '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: ''why help a fallen soldier''
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's the soldier code'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'another factor'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'codes come into play'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep, there's a code for practically everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'life on a whole is insolvable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sex, love, war, art...there is a code'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you make the best of it, that's the solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'easy words, complex implementation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and i still want a time travel portal!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it'd be fun to have, probably...maybe there'll be one someday, who knows'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that I do agree with'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'nah this our channel haha without Zade overlooking at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'amazingly there is no Tigernuts or Chemosh here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '87 percent of supermarket meat -- including beef, pork, chicken, and turkey products -- tests positive for normal and antibiotic-resistant forms of Enterococcus bacteria. Fifty percent of ground turkey contains resistant E. coli, 10 percent of chicken parts and ground turkey tests positive for resistant salmonella'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt allows commercial meat producers to have a certain % of fecal shit in the food that you buy, which is why most meat products have fecal based bacteria in them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grow your own meat, or buy from a local farm that can do kosher slaughter....it is better for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The government recently admitted that A significant majority of supermarket meat is contaminated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It came buried in the FDAs 2011 Retail Meat Report, which reveals the results from periodic testing of common supermarket meat products for bacterial contamination and bacterial resistance to multiple antibiotics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it must be interesting being a fixer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yeah all that plumbing shelving and electricity'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the kind of fixer I am referring too :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i know you meant like the professional hitman type right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the kind that cleans up messes of other people.....gray area stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'oh for example?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a client waking up to a hooker who overdosed on coke in a hotel room, so you fix it so that it wasnt the client who woke up with the hooker because he has a conduct clause in a contract.  Another client is used to take the heat of the overdosed hooker cause it wont hurt his career.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i see isnt that illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said....gray area...and things are only illegal if you get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you are a not sorry for doing but sorry for getting caught type of guy '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should you be sorry for doing a job well ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, US government to end propaganda laws?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would we tell the difference?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the usual dumbarses on the streets protesting without knowing what they're protesting about or why, a-la occupy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're protesting because...the fat cats...umm...have stuff and they don't...it's just not right, man'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some black dude got shot, riot!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't aware, but the biggest non-natural killer of black men is.... other black men'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't surprise me'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember hearing the stats, was something like 93% of all murdered black people were murdered by other black people'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'blacks where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stat likely also holds in much of africa'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different demography in Africa, so very different meaning'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Mockingbird'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is that an allusion to a certain book'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, it's a real CIA operation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look it up :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'limited internet'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence media beginning in the 1950s. Organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles in the 1950s, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became head of CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course they don't do stuff like that anymore..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George H W Bush ended it in 1976, but yes, it still goes on'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think tiger would like the tv show Continuum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly, MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they basically have 2 entire cable networks at their disposal for it now, MSNBC and CNN'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to find out what else is going on, you might want to take a gander at this: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-investigation-alleges-us-military-monsanto-targeting-gmo-activists-and-1'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'do you guys realize how choatic and stressed people would be if they know everything about their country,like all the failed terrorist attacks all the attempted assassination '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pointless argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you want to know every time when a terrorist tries to blow buckingham palace up'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if my rights are being violated as a result of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also depends if my tax is being spent differently because of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though you should probably know, no self respecting terrorist will target buckingham palace, it's not a relevent target for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If people want less stress, they can always turn their monitors off (or avoid silly news sites etc..)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'they are saying a terroist act will hit at the boy scout jamboree'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here? they won't hit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'good they deserve it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a better chance of dying through lightning strike than terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'orders of magnitude larger'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what of dying in syria what are the chances of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends where in Syria, it is a warzone after all'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'homes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through terrorism? not really, through civil war and attrocities? elevated chance'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we hadn't all jumped on the anti-Assad bandwagon and handed all this aid to the jihadi's, people might not be dying there'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now Sinai will be the new Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just incase you think it's all bad, here's some good news: http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/heroes-teens-on-bikes-rescue-girl-from-kidnap/?cat_orig=us'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You pasting links to good news? Now I've seen everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of it about, elf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There are no news like bad news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what the world would be like if corporations took over management.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's what they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd all be shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they'd save you Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We would still need a work force to maintain the systems....so not all would shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have robots for that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, cheap humans cost less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a little food, a place to live....that is all they need.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robots on the other hand cost a lot to maintain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much what we have now isn't it? serfdom serving the corporate elite?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mor cowbell!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Africa would turn into a paradise without all the humans messing it up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So would central and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hildary Clinton may have committed perjury in the Benghazi hearings by lying about what she knew of weapons transfers to Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary*'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I plead the 5th, and do not recall.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Hillary is full of crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'the opposite of clinton'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people want that lying bitch as president?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ffs, how fucked up are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd take an adulturer over her anyday'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'WARFARE: A Race war has been declared...I blame trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a bit late to blame him, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, he's still stirring up shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, high housing costs was main news story today in the Uk'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, woman on the news whinging about the new USA oil rush causing the ruin of fight against global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't they told her that she's not supposed to use 'global warming' anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'climate change'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10 years time it'll be climate pollution'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '==''
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what it started out as'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck they'll eventually pull their heads out of their arse and stop trying to rip people off'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, one could argue that the ones ripping off the people don't have their heads up their arse, as they're the ones benefitting'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could, but you'd be wrong, they're doing it from a position of domination'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they're not stupid, just with the wrong direction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't make my statement wrong'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like over here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it'd be a little unfair to claim that, abe, as they could use pretty much any excuse'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if I can get the little people to all be worried about my misdirection and give me total control, then I'm not the one with my head up my ass, I'm the one "winning"'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see where you're coming from'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't help, does it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'head up their ass means that they don't see what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people never do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ones pulling the strings aren't that oblivious'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where do you think i come from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yo momma :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari raises an eyebrow at you.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's where you come from'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari chuckles at your joke. 
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari chuckles at your joke. 
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you is from South Africa'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are though'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I am from SA, you got a problem with it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is like some distance away, i am from southeast asia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're not Jopari, so clearly it's a problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Singapore?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jopari's a south korean spy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'm'sia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Malaysia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, some of us aren't American, we actually know where that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's spelled Merkin, get it right'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'uhhhhhhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no it's not'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Merkin, Australian for landing strip.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The problem with our power grid is the fact that we depend on hundreds of huge power plants.  What we need is a non centralized power grid that uses 1000s of smaller power plants to provide power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but NIMBY rules above all else'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'at which point the combined combustion would raise problems for residents and pains for power company'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why have non-consumer power plants at all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can build a small fusion reactor power plant in my backyard if you want.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'BOOM'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do all of your neighbors agree, however?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just the ones you get along with ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just want a nice residual payment each month for the lease of the land of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fusion reactors can just blow up like a supernova'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Jopari, they do that all the time!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell supernovas are used fusion reactors'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc votes for Cold Fusion In A Bottle
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i vote for cold turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't that an energy drink, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they might do that all the time if they were allowed to exist all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'out here we're thinking of a nuclear plant, kill of the rest of us not yet killed from Lynas'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you do know that there aren't ANY fusion reactors in production, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having thousands of redundant power stations would reduce the odds of a terrorist attack on a huge centralized power station.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other the one in France?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fusion ain't easy to create, sustenance also problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jop must've gotten some insider info, looking to get in on the ground floor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thousands of plants could easily reroute power and provide backup to the smart grid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'redudant power plants powered by?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no production fusion plants in france, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion of course, get with the plan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then you don't need terrorists to blow them up for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your word play, there is one being built in France, but it is a research reactor, not a production reactor'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no word play at all...it means it's not viable, and no scientist to date has EVER produced viable fusion power'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Kaboom'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, and neither is wind power'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a research reactor which will be turned on and off all the time because we don't know how to keep it stable over time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'windmills'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how long has wind power been in the dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'have been created, easy to harness, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'to literally capture the sun? not so much'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you need to do maintenance/upkeep on wind-powered electric generators, that's not "isn't viable"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do provide enough power to pay for themselves, and they pretty much 'just work" for years for a ROI...definition of viable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't viable as an alternative to fossil fuels for powering a nation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor are they viable for providing a significant percentage of the mix'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fusion isn't viable for powering my kitchen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not reliable yes but clean'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wind doesnt always blow, the sun doesnt always shine, and if we switched to nuclear power, the uranium that we know about would last about 50 years.  We need a better power source.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is supplementary'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares if it's clean? you either have it or you don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't supplementary, Jopari, they have to have fossil fuel backup for all the wind power generated, so the net CO2 saving is almost zero'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're very reliable (in certain areas where wind IS consistent), they're just not high output'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then fusion, to blow ourselves to kingdom come'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not almost zero'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion is safer compared to nuclear fission.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fusion should continue to be researched, but anyone here claiming that they should "put one in my neighborhood" is clueless about the state of the technology today'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman was innocent, because he did not break any laws.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is absolutely zero in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'tell that to supernova and black holes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nuclear fission using thorium would last another couple hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many supernovas have you seen ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'as couble hundred years as in, that when we run out of thorium?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do you want to die seeing one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small fusion plant on earth is not going to supernova like a star 50x larger than our sun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when we run out of thorium? oil'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our sun wont even supernova....ever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but it'll take a chunk out 50x less, which is just as bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It'll just expand'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot can happen in a billion years.  We'll probably meddle'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ive told that for years - dig a hole, throw a nuke there, put a cap on and when you need the power, just open the cap a bit. like cocacola'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we cannot sustain the thing, either too much mass and the resulting compression blows up, or too little mass and it turns into dwarf or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but they doesn't listen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the earth will be out of the goldilocks zone in orbit of our sun in about 250 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we cannot sustain the thing, either too much mass and the resulting compression blows up, or too little mass and it turns into dwarf or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'earth will be like mars eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we're gonna end up like Venus and then Mercury.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so we should blow ourselves up or implode now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  We are moving away from the sun, not towards it :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sun will turn into a red dwarf in like 2 billion years or so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we won't always, ri z'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do you get that we're moving away?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's july, he's right :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a manner of speaking'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because we are, the orbit is getting longer, just like how our spin is slowing down.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is the sun loosing mass or something?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no just compressing'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so what makes earth go faster?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'its gonna explode????'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when it reaches uranium it explodes or turns into dwarf star or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'our mass'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our sun doesnt have enough mass to become a black hole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then dwarf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I think we basicaly make it turn in circles'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sun is not big enough to become a black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will die out slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh phew because I do not want to be sucked into the abys'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'even dwarfs will crush you in'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wait.. if earth was suddenly 2 times heavier, how would that affect the orbit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the way our sun dies is that it will balloon up into a red giant and then at the end of the red giant it just floats apart, leaving a white dwarf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we survive that long though, the andromeda galaxy and the milky way galaxy will combine, and then the stellar fireworks will begin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not many of those'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i watched a lot of science vids:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'likelyhood of collision is small'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'too spread apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'fire works?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and with dwarf stars a tablespoon weighs tons'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'question. is there an end to space?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when planets and stars cross'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need stars to collide to cause problems.....during the process our solar system could get dragged into another solar system, or a sun closeby going nova, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is an end to space, yes.  We have no capability to ever get there, much less go across the boundary to see what's on the other side.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see our galaxy collide with the andromeda galaxy....'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there has to be an end, but distortion of space means even if we had the tech we cannot get out'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stuff in space-time is limited to the speed of light.  space-time itself is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'what is a black hole?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just don't be in it at the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. the speed of the two galaxies is way to big for any star to find a mate from the other galaxy.. at the 1st pass that is..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the only place where dividing by zero won't wreck your work.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a large mass that has gravity powerful enough to pull light into it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the black hole at the center of our galaxy is currently on a diet.....the atkins I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'wow you guys are like a wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. like youtube'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'has anyone ever been sucked in one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're a mass-mind, like in the sci-fi books'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Chuck Norris was.  The black hole realized its mistake and promptly spit him back out with an apology and a promise never to do it again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's why the Earth will never fall into a black hole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes. that black hole was the only one that evolved into a conscous being - just to apologise to Norris'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lol, like chuck norris can't get a heart attack because his heart is not nearly as foolish enough to attack him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is enough uranium in the oceans to power 100x the nuclear reactors we currently have at least 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just not survive the journey or aftermath'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you add thorium to that mix, and it goes up to 1 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, that's how those deep-sea fish glow'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bacteria'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'no they produce a chemical'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You sigh.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they are all preagnant there. thats why they glow'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You're overtaken by a massive sargasm. There's cynijism everywhere. Ewww.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'matter antimatter reaction is our future.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nerds and debatrixes only laugh at math humor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'just reverse the polarities and all will be well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'matter antimatter will be fine if you can control it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like fusion ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i wrong move and BOOM annilation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why we test things over and over before building a power plant that could blow up florida. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there isn't a single fusion power plant powering anything ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc votes for ARC Reactor technology
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if only'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...if you have a spare $20 billion laying around somewhere, we could build a fusion reactor that could produce about 50 MW of power and only use 500 MW :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why do you need to control everything, thats leads to pain and suffering. just chill. like Homer Simpson'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unfortunately, the experts in the field disagree with you, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if Simpson would have been in control of Tzchzernobyl, it would have still worked nicely'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will figure it out eventually.  It is our destiny.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course by the time we do since no one wants to spend the money on the research...we will all need respirators just to breathe outside.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't say it's our destiny, but we will get there'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'eventually'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'z85 respirators or what kind'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'maybe its possible to build the moon ful of nuclear reactors. and beam the energy to the earth using giant lazers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh dude. lets get stillsuits like in dune'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vampire just wants to drink his own pee'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll be nose plugs, VD.  Just shove 'em up the nostrils and nothing but clean air gets through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, can i just store clean air from a jar of plankton?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'y not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the plankton will run out of air and die'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if they don't, your air's not actually clean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'can i use cyanobacteria instead?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'theyll toggle to sulfur if co2 runs out'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cmon lemme use my cyanobacteria for something :-('
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so they'll perform a nuclear reaction'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how are you going to get the sulfur in there, and more importantly how are you going to keep the oxygen and other breathable exhalations from the bacteria separate from their breathables?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'adiabatically'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and my local air contai mg es sulfur already, so no problemo'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'a little magnesium and i can get a resevoir of it  in the  water'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oxygen combines with practically everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'even hydrogen fluoride?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oxygen sounds good rivht now, im gonna go tend  my plants. laters hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a chinese woman died when she used her iphone while it was on the charger.  She was electrocuted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'egg foo yung'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'electrocuted?! how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, we should turn all meat into cooked pink paste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already have some of our meat turned into cooked pink paste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember that pink slime debacle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of it should be cooked pink paste!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'only problem i see with pink slime is that it's treated with ammonia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they should do white paste too, in case we have to dodge malevolently intelligent machines in our spaceships.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think if you could somehow go back in time and kill your ancestor....nothing would happen, and you would still exist, because a new reality would have been created where you didnt exist, but the one with you still in it would keep going.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was the explanation "your neighbors like to torrent"? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman was innocent, because he did not break any laws.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was not innocent because he used the laws to commit a premeditated probable killing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'innocent according to the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but in reality, a fucking murderer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team was either incompetent and or deliberately aiding and abetting murder and racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is their job to uphold the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is the job of politicians to change unjust laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team did not uphold the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'probably incompetence'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a nonjeew committed that killing, some may argue crass unawareness of the likely consequences, but Zimmerman was jewish, and thus was likely fully aware of the probable consequences of his actions, and thus was a premeditated killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep and he got off scot free'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team is likely guilty of aiding and abetting premeditated murder (if they only used an "emotional" argument)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, there be dire consequences'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God is observing'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'now that is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. should aardwolf be 18+ game? because all the gore and killing, and poker, and lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'such a fine debate it was'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bow deeply.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'if you look at the specific rating requirements it shouldn't be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i bet we get a LOT of fresh young players here if the 18+ would appear in all strategic places'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so advertise the MUD on porn sites?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evony's already got that market locked'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'evony?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, evony'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you mean we have to google ourselves? what about NSA?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'some stupid facebook game'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a facebook game'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but as for the original comment: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/03/evony-investigating-the-game-everyone-loves-to-hate/'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sounds cool so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah, this article made me feel sorry about rising that topic here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what is the probability of an illiterate person atempting to play this game at some point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: '100%'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've got tons of illiterate players...just watch channels and notes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what abe said :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'The uneducated are listening to the media and not looking and thinking for themselves as usual when dealing with the Zimmerman trial. He should have not gotten out of the car, the 911 operator should have not goated him, Martin should have just went to a door in the neighborhood and banged on it asking someone to call the police. Al Sharpten need to just get over himself and realize that Martin Luther King Jr would be discussed with all that he has done over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah both Zim and Martin made bad decisons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some seriously weird news tonight'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'go on...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Black Juror on Zimmerman jury excluded for being a fox news watcher'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Trayvon hussey "Jeantel" (What kind of name is that anywy)" warns Zimmerman could be a gay rapist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'excluded as in was not allowed to be on the jury correct?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'florida man wakes up in motel with no memory speaking only swedish'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, the prosecutor wouldn't have them on the jury'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I would say that was a smart move by the prosecution...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman verdict has been hijacked by the liberal media/democrat party for purely partisan purposes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh god, i heard that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'That Zimmerman was called a homophobe or that Trayvon was gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeantel isn't exactly star witness material, she's dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and far more abrasive'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Because of double jeopardy, Zimmerman can't be sued for the killing again right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can be sued, but it won't stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds already investigated any potential racist lean and found none'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah those liberals really hate the rule of law. Anything that is constitutional or a right is just a roadblock they gotta drive around. Unless it's for the gays. Gay rights are the only rights that matter. Along with the "right" to be taxed for healthcare for the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'So basically prosecution can't do anything at this point'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they can piss and moan, but really they picked the wrong horse'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now they've put back race relations 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only sensible comments i've heard so far are from some black rapper dude, and Ted Nugent'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep they really spoiled it by presuming someone guilty before anything was known. Making it about race and trying to crucify someone to the fullest extent of the law. And to my suprise, the system worked and the jury made the correct call.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget tagging gun control onto the hype, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tax money being paid to fund riot incitement'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not saying I'm a fan of Zimmerman's actions. But according to all evidence presented it would be beyond wrong to find him guilty of 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Nate Silver predicting the Senate to be taken by the Republicans in 2014, so it's all over really if that happens'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'double-jeopardy only applies to criminal, the family suing for wrongful death is unimpaired by it, and the rules for losing the suit are much different'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't win'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'm just siding with Zimmerman because I loathe the appeal to emotion approach.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What would the family get out of a civil suit besides money?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like OJ was not guilty of killing his ex-wife, but he was successfully sued for her wrongful death'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't get much, he ain't a rich guy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence isn't wrongful death'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(was FOUND not guilty)*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I thought he was donated alot of money'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's for legal bills, kas'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, tiger, the rules for civil suits aren't based in criminal laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'This isn't like O.J. where we KNOW he was the murderer either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, actually we KNOW that zimmerman was the killer a whole lot more than we did OJ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We know Zim killed Martin, but it was a justifiable homocide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even zimmerman isn't denying that he's the killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, not sure you can be sued for that'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know enough about civil cases to comment, but it'd be a bit wack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know there's a lower burden of proof needed, but that's it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well if the family wants justice. They may get it if one of these wacko's kills Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the 'protestors' want to calm down and go home before some property owner they trash gets pissed off and mows a dozen of them down'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, then the cycle would start again'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riotting and breaking shit that belongs to other people in the name of a fucked up immoral cause isn't a sensible cause of action'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was killed for standing up for black rights, I tell ya!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1st hand account from Syria, incase you were still thinking our governments are doing the right thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=msA35ATXol8'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If only Bradley Manning was black...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And Micheal Hastings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Or Ed Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If all of them were black and gay justice would be done because the race pimped sheep would be on the right side of history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone would think black folks are the only sort to ever be slaves'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, bed time, it's just a big shame, they shouldn't be protesting over Zimmerman, they should be protesting over the anaheim cop shootings, or the treatment of Marissa Alexander'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Bob Dylan's upcoming Bootleg vol 10 will be awesome'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And the motion passes by unanimous consent!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Do you think if we pool our resources we can get George Zimmerman to make an aardwolf character?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'his name is open'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'rock and roll'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems some of you did not think through the potential repercussions'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. probability of rash of "self-defense killings" in Florida by belligerent racists er muggers er dickheads carrying hidden guns ..'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Self defense is racist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, the legal system is racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It is?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some USAmericans are racists that deny they are racists'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it does tend to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'stand your ground law is wack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'look at the penalty difference for killing a cute white girl vs. a cute black girl :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'your skin color definitely determines how your case is going to break'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay, it's just strange that this came about because of the Zimmerman trial. Which was not a matter of race.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey, that black lady in Florida got 20 years for firing her gun into the air'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or, for something much more recent, look at the black woman who got 20 years in jail for firing warning shots at her abusive husband, against whom she had a restraining order, who had already tried to choke her that same day ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah about that Cambodia, that case is not what you think. She didn't fire her gun in the air. She just barely missed his head and hit a wall that had children on the otherside.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is who I was vaguely trying to reference :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some actions that are obviously racist in (say) Canada, are viewed by somr USAmericans and racists as "not racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'She was not in her house. And they had an argument and not a violent dispute. That is until the woman went to her car and then entered the home again to fire the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and she was black'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Racism can go both ways. See how most of you just hear one version of a story and assume she was innocent because she was black. She was also nuts and broke the law and was proven as such. Unlike Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and she did not kill anyone, and she was black and had been attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'She was not attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he choked her'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm not assuming that she was innocent'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not use examples of genuine self-defense as an excuse to justify self-defense homicides resulting from premeditated stalking and hunting victims'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Family members said thinking Gray was gone, Alexander went to their former home to retrieve some of her things and when she arrived at the residence, an argument ensued and Gray allegedly strangled Alexander. Gray also called Alexander names, and said to her, If I cant have you, nobody is going to have you, and blocked her from exiting the bathroom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now, yes, she did go back and get the gun, when she could have fled. so could zimmerman. but he got off scot-free, and she got 20 years for attempted murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'aaaand there is the point'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is Zimmerman, according to his defense could not escape, he was getting his ass whooped.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes he was, after he followed martin instead of doing as the 911 responders told him'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'did zimmerman approach the guy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what really bothers me. a law for one person and a law for another person...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That's true, but it is not against the law to follow, approach someone. Also it's lawful to ignore 911 dispatch advice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'martin had the right to defend himself...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, but it's bloody stupid and resulted in an altercation that could have been avoided, just like this woman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As stupid as the decisons are that Zimmerman made. They could not prove 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not enough to convince the jury, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that poor woman definately does not deserve 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i thought it was against the law to provoke altercation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obviously her ex husband or whatever really did some mental damage to her. She acted like a woman scorn and not so much a criminal imo'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the provocation has to be 'in the mind of a reasonable person' which is open to interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with premweditated intent rZimmerman with a hidden gun accosted and provoked (aka mugged) Trayvon, and the "self-defence killing" was a direct result of premeditation by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is, if Travon attacked Zim first. That makes him the aggressor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Did Travon attack first? Fuck if I know. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's black so he probably did'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's how it goes here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is harassment legal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is harassment legal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a certain amount of it is, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He's black so lets assume he didn't. He must be better than white people because he is black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats also how it goes here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, if you want to outlaw all "harassment", then 2/3rds of all sports fans are guilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'either way it's not equal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to commit deliberate premeditated homicide in Florida: carry a licensed hidden gun, and provoke the victim to attack, appear to be losing and be in physical danger, then pull the gun and murder the victim in cold blood'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i though the stand your ground laws do not require retreating  '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There is a racial bias element in law enforcement and the justice sytem yes. But it mostly lies with the individuals in law and not the laws themselves. Self defense and stand your ground are not racist laws. They just have been used as such, possibly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'true Deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the racism is in those who uphold the law, not the laws themselves'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'provocation to attack is no excuse for attack.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I agree, it's not in the law itself, it's in the minds of people, which is far more insidious'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And there is the problem Cambodia, how do you put a stop to that without invading privacy or infringing on the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can meal mouth your way so that you are within the law, but still racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its as simple as getting within arms reach of someone in an agressive manner'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'YOU CAN'T. :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people just have to change...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is the answer for most of our problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people changing, is the answer to damn near all of our problems'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some may argue that laws that facilitate racism are racist (even though the laws themselves are not officially racist)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I am siding with Majic here, it's in the implementation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any law can facilitate racism if the people applying it are racist, even if subconsciously so'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Zade, if we get rid of stand your ground. Would that cut down on racist crime?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and facts remain that someone who talks and dresses well is going to have the advantage over someone who looks and sounds like a street thug, regardless of the facts of the matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a jew kills a n***** - in the USA that is not racist.  if a n***** kills a jew -- racism '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they are both racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont think he should be guilty of murder but some sort of manslaughter due to martins ability to stand ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but the law is sure going to prosecute one a lot harder than the other'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they might be both racist or neither, it depends on the motivations for the crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade I think you have it backwards'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In America only whites being or even being accused of racism is acceptable. Blacks hating whites is okay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Wait. I mean whites are the only ones that are accountable for racism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'although at this point, it's not even strictly skin color, it's more like Majic said, how you come across'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you're white enough, you can be technically black and get some of the white advantage'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade, show me one news story about a nigger killing a jew because he was jewish. Or vise versa/'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'crown heights brooklyn'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't even know why you used nigger instead of black person either. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'look it up deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think was blak guy killed a jew went to jail ... got out after serving and is now dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I will'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whites damaging n*****s: lipservice accusations of racism wih slap-on-the-wrist token penalties.  n*****s damaging whites: heavy penalties and heaby jailtime, and denials of racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but hey, didn't Charles Ramsay save Amanda Berry and those other white girls?  And he's, like, really black'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the case of the murdered Trayvon -- denials of racism - various reasoms'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But racism differs from reigon to reigon. It's really just a form of tribalism and will probably exist in all world cultures for the remainder of civilization. That is unless government bodies have the power to remove the inherent freedoms from the American people right down to controling our thoughts. I'll gladly take a little racism over that. Not saying we can't do things as a people to change things for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia nods at DeathSyte.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one day it may not be race...but we'll probably find something else to pick'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'We already do...I don't discrimate against race, or at least I try my best not to. But I do against class.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What reason was there to bring race into that case Zade? You know liberal media doctored the Zimmerman phone call to make him sound racist right? Because he did not sound that way on his own.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a person with a gun should not be approaching suspicious individuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You say denied racism but that is a cheap race baiting tactic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and even a person without one'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But that is not against the law Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not use "tribalism" (to attempt) to justify blatant racism in the USA  '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'an explanation is not a justification'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Not justifying it. Just saying what it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no it is not but they should have the obligation to retreat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if i tell someone "get the fuck away from me"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they dont... they break the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So you tell me to go away and I have to? lol sorry no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'harrasment'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it depends on how close they are'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'On a public street? Your idea of a law is far worse than stand your ground lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps DeathSyte is saying that muggers (in Florida) may stalk and hunt down victims and then commit homicide when the mugging goes wrong and claim "self-defense" '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whoever says "go away first" gets to stay...SHOTGUN!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if i'm actually touching, you can tell me to get away. if i'm just standing too close, um, good luck getting me arrested on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err "go away" first*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if they are in a position that makes me feel threatened then it becomes assult'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a certain amount of prior warning you have to give before you unleash'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fun fact: Zimmerman's defense did not use stand your ground. Just regular self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'So if I have agrophobia and feel threatened by someone 50 feet from me, is that assault?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the prosecution should have usesd stand ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'arms length could be considered threatening distance'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'On a crowded train, I might feel threatened by the thug standing right next to me due to it being croweded. What about then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's why I said 'depends how close you are''
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly mathoran'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Depends on a lot of circumstances, doesn't it? If a petite woman feels threatened by a big guy that appears hostile and is advancing towards her, she might be justified in defending herself...even if he's still 10+ feet away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep lots of variables'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The evidence presented leans towards Trayvon attacking Zimmerman, which is consistent with the injuries sustained by Zimmerman. Trayvin however had no physical injuries besides the gunshot wound. I'm not saying thats what went down, it's just that the evidence presented leans more towards that than anything else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'who saw you has something to do with it also'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'CCTV would fix all of these problems. I hate to say it but it's true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a white in Florida: carry a licensed hidden gun, verbally provoke somebody disliked (those n*****s that wear hoodies) into a physical confrontation, appear to lose and be in danger of extreme physical damage, use the hidden gun to kill the provoked stalked victim -- claim "stand-your-ground self defense"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recipe for legal racist homicide in Florida'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you think it's that easy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I got a bridge in Benghazi I'd like to sell you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and make sure that the one you want to kill takes you down and bashes your head in a bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and prosecution would have to show provocation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think that was the biggest problem with the whole case, on either side:  hard to show much of anything, when the only real account of what happened came from Zimmerman. Everyone else basically said, "It was dark, it was hard to tell what was going on."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wait, they said what now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution merely requires to show that verbal provocation by the assailant was probable'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, one direct witness would have changed everything. No matter what really happened rest assured that Zimmerman had plenty of time to consult with his legal team and pick the best story possible. But even so the system worked in the way it should despite liberal America making this about race and damning Zim just because the person he killed was black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'multiple witnesses all without fail said there was an altercation, one person had the other one on the ground and was continuing to beat (arms moving in an up and down motion)...one said she thought it was zimmerman on top but not because of anything she saw, just because "it was the deeper voice" on top'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone else was pretty clear that it was zimmerman on bottom'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep Zim was on the bottom. Because really that makes the most sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prosecution never needs to only show that something was probably...they need to show that it would be unreasonable to believe that the alternative didn't happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would be interested to know what happened around time when first strike was thrown'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probable*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman appeared to lose the fight -- likely deliberately and with premeditation - simpler to pull the gun while on the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Many race baiters literally wanted to believe that George Zimmerman was just so bored that he was like "lets go nigger hunting" Theres one! BOOM!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That's what I meant, sorry Abelinc. Just trying to get across that the other witnesses present didn't weigh in much other than "Zimmerman was on the ground, there appeared to be a fight".'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade: you have a deep respect for zimmerman's intellect'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I haven't heard anyone claim it was an 'I was bored' issue'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'As opposed to, "Zimmerman was attacked first, got pinned, and at one point Trayvon appeared to be escalating the fight in a manner that definitely appeared life-threatening".  (Unless that was said, and I just missed it.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay I exagerated a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more that he was suspicious because he was black and dressed in a thuggish manner'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the kid told him he was going to die tonight... i would classify that as escalation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some serial killers go hunting victims for various reasons -- perhaps boredom, perhaps the thill of PK'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Is that Zimmerman's account, or everyone's? Again, my impression was that the specifics from the witnesses didn't back up Zimmerman more than in terms of a broad overview.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'serial killers are rare, the true specimens'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps that was not the first killing by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, the witnesses all went with zimmermans testimony. evidence supports it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'From my honest opinion. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he believed him to be a legit threat. Which caused Zimmerman to believe that Trayvon was a legit threat. And we have a battle where both people are making a reasonable attempt to defend themselves. Zimmermans not such a good fighter, pulls out a gun BOOM. Justifiabe homocide. If Trayvon had lived thinks would be very different.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'If it wasn't his first murder, then he's apparently terrible at his chosen hobby.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why people raised hell on the prosecution, their witnesses confirmed zimmers story more than their attempted spin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Acidangel, thanks for the clarification, and I stand corrected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'death, you are more on track with that.. remember, zimmer is a neighborhood patrol in a gated community that has crime in the not so distant pass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zimmers grandfather is black, he tutored local black kids. how the hell could he be racist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"serial killers that are caught" are "rare" or seem to be common enough to be featured on the "Discovery Investigation" tvchannel'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'fucking race baiters just got the idiots to believe everything they say like they always do'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'among all of humanity that exists?  yes, rare'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think the desire to make the case about race is just trying to turn a bad/complicated situation into something more easily digestible. "He put himself into a bad situation from which a terrible conclusion arose." vs "He hates blacks, so he KILLED one!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I can say how racist he is or is not. Even if you can, does being a racist making defending yourself against someone of a race you have issues with make it a hate crime? I don't think so. Also just like homosexuality. Everyone is at least a very small amount of racist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel: and at least one of the ancestors of Adolf Schickelgrubber was jewish'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race has nothing to do with it, that is the point. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'can't not can.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the racism claims were on the profiling "why were you following him in the first place", not on the "here's why you killed him"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'profiling?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Adolf Schickelgrubber got going, there was plenty of "race" involved'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is assumption, not fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'local crime wave in a gated community when somebody looks "suspicious" in the even and or dark time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe he matched the description of a criminal in that neighborhood before? I don't know I am just wondering. And him thinking to himself, "he this is a black guy, that ups the chance of him being a criminal" is totally possible. It just has nothing to do with the case at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think any aware person would be some what wondering whom that person is'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'acidangel: doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sure it does.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'let me walk outside your house about 9pm and then when you come to find out who i am, i call profiling.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because you're kneejerk replying without actually listening to what's being said'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'It is profiling...you look suspicious. I profiled you. Maybe I don't understand the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which doesn't help a decent conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i have heard you excuse blasted all over tv for 16 months. i think i know your logic very well abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not my excuse, it wasn't my statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence you're not bothering to listen'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that breastfeeding female (under diplomatic protection) was initially targeted by the NY police on a racial profile '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so your speaking in hypotheticals? "yes" and "no" normally are statements.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'are we now going to splice hairs on definitions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what definition are we talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'definition of "no"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have made no claims of racism in any way shape or form regarding this entire ordeal, start to finish...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you kneejerk jumping to decry them is pretty silly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you assume everything starts from profiling, which is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence you not reading what I was actually saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'profiling is not a justification to violate the rights of those profiled'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'again, the difference between an explanation and a justification'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, unless you're an airport in Israel, and then:  game on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't have rights in an airport in israel, so how could they be violated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although they say that our TSA goes overboard :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'go to Isreael - are you paying for me to go on an information-gathering tour of Israel'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, only if you agree to self-identify yourself as a Muslim/Arabic male.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade the question was who violated whose rights first. A citizen following you does not instantly violate ones rights. Even if it was the catalyst that made that situation happen. The situation did not legally escalate until the narative of Travon attacking first. Which is commiting a felony offense on another person. That person being Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was stalking somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman verbally provoked somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wearing a hoodie is not a crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'it should be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Things are ugly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no it shouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about fat people in thongs...is that illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman, deliberately carrying a hidden gun, used the "stand-your-ground-law" to stalk, verbally-provoke, get into a fight, appear to lose the fight, and with premediation kill somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, everything you just said was pure speculation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'And I'd argue that your phrasing of "deliberately carrying a hidden gun" is intended to provoke a negative bias from anyone who reads it, whereas "carrying a concealed weapon for which he had a permit" wouldn't have the same effect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think people should only be able to claim stand your ground if they were the one approached'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he didn't claim stand your ground.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no doubt that carrying a concealed weapon was deliberate (as part of a vigilante patrol), indicating a premeditated precalculation of the violent consequences of stalking and verbally confronting somebody racially profiled (n*****s in hoodies)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'at a certain point here, you're just going to see it however you want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you might as well take it to Stormfront in that case'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was part jewish - not stupid -- so premeditated realisation the consequences were obvious'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so being part jewish means that he is automatically not stupid...now THAT is most definitely racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but its what can be proved ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade reeks of troll.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the racist part is (the USAmerican belief) that hispanics are not smart'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we do love to joke about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but having a hispanic last name does not bar you from any job in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since when are compliments racist -- unless you are saying the jews are not smart, and thus unable to forsee the extremely probable consequences of stalking and verbally confronting innocent n*****s wearing hoodies'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I don't think you can grasp what I am trying to say here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is arguing like a jew does
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia wipes a tear from his eye.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok then'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm pretty sure Jews are smart enough not to drop N-bombs, thinly veiled though they may be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're actually arguing like a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which you can be, no matter what your skin color'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade seems to among the few defending the rights of n*****s wearing hoodies to not be stalked provoked and murdered by triggerhappy hispanic-jew vigilantes carring licensed concealed weapons  (talk about entrapment)
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and yet you are still a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why smart people should walk away'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i research worst-case scenarios -- masybe not "paranoid" enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh there is definitely too paranoid, buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In Zade's America, any black person has the right to behave in whatever manner they wish. If you even look at one wrong you should be locked up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(in DeathSyte's USA, whites carrying licensed concealed (hidden!) weapons may provoke and entrap and kill colored minorities)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Crossroads" by the Cream'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, welcome to America. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Crossroads" is a song about whites lynching n*****s (caught out after dark) at the crossroads'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: '"Turning Japanese" is about masturbation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade covers his ears, and concentrates on not visualizing.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Zade in your opinion how should our current laws change to avoid more racist serial murders like the one that Trayvon was so obviously a victim of?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is Canadian
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you should look up the word serial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Zimmerman intends to do a repeat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'paranoid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not paranoid. facetious or sardonic or wary'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hispanic part is likely to do a repeat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but the jew part is smarter than the hispanic part...which part will win?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tough questions in the mind of a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Jewish guilt vs. Catholic guilt. Tough call.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'lucky for me, my Irish genes and my German genes only fight over whether to drink beer or whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so then I drink a shot of whiskey, chase it with a beer, and they are both happy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'of course, if I were Irish and Austrian, they'd be arguing over whether I should beat my wife, or lock her in a basement, am I right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no wait that guy locked his daughter in a basement...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jews guilt others...catholics guilt themselves...totally different guilt :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that Zade is a racist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia raises an eyebrow at DeathSyte's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Really?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He has said nigger in reference to black people more times than I have seen any other person do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the "really" was more of a "No duh"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks you heartily. 
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if Zimmerman had been gay? Or at least turned gay during the altercation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you want to see what happens when a gay guy shoots someone, check out the movie Bernie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, that or Party Monster...really nothing, obviously'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade , a heterosexual, avoids watching gay movies
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Party Monster is the true story of Michael Alig, a club promoter in the 80s, Bernie is about Bernie Tiede who got life in prison for shooting an old lady, and another excellent movie Milk is the story of Harvey Milk.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'those aren't "gay" movies...now Velvet Goldmine, is pretty gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The twilight movies are pretty gay too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are those dark gay movies even remotely relevant to the Zimmerman-murdered-Trayvon discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'milk isn't dark gay, it's actually just a good movie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe Zimmerman is a Vampire and Trayvon was a werewolf.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'homophobic, racist, and paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the main star of Twilight (Kristen Stewart) plays a heterosexual (miscegenist?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I mean they were both out at NIGHT...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm heterosexual, too, I don't beat off to those movies, I just watch them'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the freaks (that Twilight main female character (Kristen Stewart) is attracted to) are played by a white (vampire) and an almost white (werewolf)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have a theory that Trayvon Martin is in Valhalla right now, having an epic adventure of self discovery and redemption.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kristen or Kirsten or ? (Stewart)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'his gay black vampire ghost is going to haunt Zade's house :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and the first spelling'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the newscaster that biffed it on the Asiana broadcast, she was white'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Trayvon's girfriend of opposite gender -- if so, don't slur with "gay"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'YES SIR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're the boss of this channel, right?  anyways, that was a joke, since you're racist and homophobic'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gay is a slur?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, the guy using n****r all night says no slurs!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, majic, not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't worry, xyliz, once you find a boyfriend everything will be all better :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you bad racists are using "gay" as a slur to discredit support for Trayvom'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'OK, listen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the person using 'gay' as a slur is you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we can't discredit support for him from Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you see?  your paranoid brain is breaking down'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'im common parlance USA, smearing somebody as a "gay" is a slur  (worse than the label South Park "gay")'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you don't know anything about the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you might as well just quit talking about how it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'really it is more of a descriptor than a slur'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'about the tamest way you can describe someone as homosexual, without using the word homosexual'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'which word is more offensive? Nigger or Faggot?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's a toughie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think you can quantify -- I find them equally so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when somebody is not a homosexual, calling them "gay" is a slur and an attempt at character assassination'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But why are they equal you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It's only a slur if you believe that being 'gay' is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because gay people are worse than heterosexuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that fanny packs are gay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously dude, you are just an unfunny ball of prejudice'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks Dispel Majic heartily.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're awesome, majic'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mislabeling somebody as a "gay", to play on the prejudices of others, is a slur and a character assassinationm'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'those are your prejudices'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that iamage of others prejudices, is your sick head, because you fill it with paranoid crap all the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those are the prejudices of many americans '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You don't know what the fuck Americans think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and when you give credence to it as a slur, you reinforce those thoughts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You don't even live here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You read the news and stew in your own pathetic fear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You can't even see it, and it's kind of sad, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if I just use nigger casually and not in any offensive manner? What I'm asking is this, is it the word nigger that is offensive or is it only when combined with prejudice against a black person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some homosexuals like to tell lies and mislabel others as "gay" -- and many decent folk are aware and wary of this: homosexuauls are perceived as dishonest deliberate blatant liars (as a result)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'funny story...when I was in rehab, we were hanging out with a half-black guy who was an ex-gang member, and one of my white friends asked him if he could say the word nigga when he was quoting rap lyrics, and he said it was cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we joked that he got a 'license' for the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'mostly it's offensive no matter what, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like if I wrote a book called nigger story, but it was about me and my life. That would be offensive?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you were black, you could probably do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you in this channel" most of your arguments are based on ad hominems, and attempt to attack the speaker or the victim with slurs and false labels, and on the brazen statement of (wrong) conclusions'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'most of your arguments are based on mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zade is just a troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and two ad hominens appear immediately'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ad hominen --> attack the man'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'saying you are mentally ill is a fact, not an ad hominem'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'practically'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what you should do, is for a month, quit reading about shitty things in the news'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in a debate the participants should challenge the argument other participants'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'find stories about people who defied the bullshit, and did something awesome...there is plenty of that to be found also'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we've already done that, a whole lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we didn't start off like this'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'get out of your hidey-hole, and travel somewhere you've never been, and meet some people you've never met'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you'd be surprised how people actually think...it's pretty far off from what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and don't forget, you're going to die.  if you try too hard to stay alive and safe, you'll miss out on all the fun'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's real advice, not an attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'majority is not always right nor is the minority whats important is to find some middle grounds'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'way more people are like Majic, actually, than worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But my book would be pretty boring, but if I call it Nigger Story. I'll be all over the news as a racist, but with a new york times best seller.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'You'd get better sales if you titled it, "J. K Rowling is a N-----". Flanning flames of controversy falls behind epic name-dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I have a question: What is more important to agree with a persons viewpoint or to understand their viewpoint?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'understand, no question'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'better to understand...you're never compelled to agree'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Much better to understand -- as a matter of fact, if you agree without understanding, you're a fool.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now if I took my Idea of a rpg game starring trayvon martin based on the Zimmerman trial when he goes to valhalla, and I called it Nigger Story. I can totally see how that would be offensive. Because of how the word is used. But again, I would have made a game that is downloaded millions of times.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Chris Rock actually outlined just when it isn't offensive to say the word 'nigger'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Understanding, hands down. Arguments/debates never need to (and often don't) end with both parties finding mutual ground, or convincing each other of their respective views. Whereas if both parties can at least understand each other's arguments, they can walk away feeling like no one involved was a total d-bag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you aim to understand, you can actually learn something'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are many arguments that I can understand and still disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one guy I met tried to tell me that The Doors sucked, and Phil Collins was way better, and I understood that argument: he was an idiot.  Also, I disagreed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'd prefer understanding another's viewpoint overall anyway. Agreement is just...too easy, too patronizing. If someone readily agrees with me, I assume they're just placating me to shut me up. I'd rather have a long heated argument and end it with, 'Look, I see what you're saying...I still don't agree with you, but I really do understand where you're coming from."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, sometimes I readily agree with people just because I already thought it through and decided that I'm at that viewpoint'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sometimes the viewpoints that I don't agree with are really fascinating.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and that is what people need to do with the topic of gun control in america. We need to try our best to understand the emotional argument for both sides. And then look at the facts. I am pro 2nd amendment but there are types of reaonable gun control. But I disagree with every proposal for gun control the government has put forth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best gun control is at your fingertip.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'for example, the tommy gun. Almost exclusively used in crimes. So it was not unreasonable to consider banning them. Even more so for the the single barrel stubby shotgun. That was litterally only a murder weapon that was not good for self defense or sporting/hunting. Just for shooting people point blank in the face/chest. Banned.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh I talked about this awhile back'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Other than those I see no reason that an "assult weapons ban" should ever happen in America. It's unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I said, revolvers, bolt-action rifles, and shotguns'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sawed off great self defence '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A single loader sawn off to the size of a pistol? I don't think so Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Purely playing devil's advocate here:  what about zip guns? You can ban virtually every firearm imaginable, but it can't prevent people from building their own firearms on the sly, and for cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they have this concept, where you use a laser to create a superconducting path of ionized air, and then you can aim a lightning bolt right down it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually, "garage guns" just by themselves are not illegal until they are used or you can prove they were conspiring to use one in a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like a long range taser, those will be sweet'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'apparently it is called an electrolaser'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm not debating the legality of zip guns, just their effectiveness and the ease with which they can be constructed. If firearms have such potential for harm, why stop at automatic weapons, high-magazine clips, etc.? Anyone can slap together something capable of firing a 12-gauge shotgun shell for a few bucks in their garage, fully capable of killing at least one person. If enough of those were to be used in repeated/mass killings, would (and should) the government seek to ban those as well?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like murder, the government can only go so far in preventing it with legislation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I remember your argument for "bolt actions, revolvers and shotguns" cambodia. And that would be unconstitutional to do such a thing. At least on the federal level.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'California banned all guns with larger than .50 caliber.  A gun with that large a caliber has never been used to kill a single person in California'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so the two things don't have to be related'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well that is California for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...larger than .50 cal?! Who the hell takes a Howitzer on a driveby?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they have the tarus judge.. revolver can put .410 shot shells in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sounds like a fun way to break a wrist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Guns are banned based on emotional responses by liberals. Banning types of "scary" guns feels good especially when you ignore the facts about them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'actually, there's never been any report of a gun over 50 cal being used in any crime in the entire US, ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I wonder why?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Banning specific guns (or aspects of guns, like high-round magazines) in general feels a bit like outlawing lightsabers:  it's not that they're a true danger now...it's that they *might* be, at some unknown point in the future...possibly...maybe...potentially. (Read: We're really not sure about this, but it's a knee-jerk reaction and damn it, this just *feels* safer.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No really, I really wonder how that number could be zero.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'agree with DeathSyte on why guns are banned'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Do you still think Americans should only have access to revolvers, bolt-actions and shotguns Cambodia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'No.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Awesome:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that was just a hypothetical I thought of, what guns you could reasonably keep for utility purposes and reasonable self-defense, while eliminating all of the "scary" ones'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it did work just fine for a long time, until semi-autos were invented and now used by every military in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I believe that we as Americans have the inherent right to be armed just as well as an infantryman. Anything that is defined as 'arms' should be what we can have. Special exceptions of course for people who lose their rights through due process.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if we were all soldiers that would work'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well of course there should be special rules for owning explosives like hand grenades and rocket launchers. But we allready have those rules. And their are still ways in which I can own them if I desire.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, freaking Commander Barcett gave me a mob that requires me to do the Snuckles AQ to get to, so it's break time for now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'stay classy aardwolf :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thanks, this might be the classiest debate experience that I have had so far:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I agree up to a point... That point being that some of the infantry I've known I wouldn't trust with an ice cream scoop, let alone an M4.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well we do have a line drawn on how easy ownership is of certain types of weaponry.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fully automatic anything requires a lot of red tape to go through and a heavy price tag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to get legally sure...just cash to obtain otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Right, but that is what an infantryman can expect to carry out country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I haven't heard of many street gangs obtaining fully automatic assault rifles here in America. I'm sure it happens. But for it to happen a lot you need our own ATF to give them to a bunch of drug cartels in mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Riiight, but I'm going off of what you said earlier:  "DeathSyte: 'I believe that we as Americans have the inherent right to be armed just as well as an infantryman. Anything that is defined as 'arms' should be what we can have."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'If that belief were to become a reality, that's the reality we'd have to deal with:  people (including gang members) having ready access to automatic weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mortar shells?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mortars you need to have mounted and usually require multiple people to opperate. I don't think they would fall into the definition of arms.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right I did say that earlier Jaffo. And yeah it's possible that re-introducing easy access fully autos back into america may not go over well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mortar is artillery'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'yup^'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And if you need mortars to protect yourself. You got much bigger problems then who the president is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you need semi-automatic weapons to protect yourself you still have big problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'assume US was being invaded ... you govt care if a US citizen had a fully auto then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't think so Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And yet you assume the government cannot also be invader.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no sure what the point is, would depend on the seriousness of the invasion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In fact Congress has the ability to organize militia, they may agree to dispense fully automatics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think the government would prefer that citizens be conscripted and learn how to use an automatic firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thing is we are at peace as long as there are enough armament options freedoms are protected'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'speaking of...anyone seen the red dawn remake...worth watching?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'What I've heard is it's meh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think we have good options right now. Once we fix the poverty problems in inner city america (read:never) we could afford to loosen gun restrictions much more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And yes Morinon, that is why we are supposed to be able to be armed much more than we even are now. Because our own government can easily become the invader someday.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The problem is that so many people don't realize that fairness, by necessity, goes against the law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think the country is armed enough to protect from govt'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Before it can be armed enough, it has to be willing to go against the government.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the current is pretty sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in reality, unconstitutional laws are not laws at all. And those laws should be broken and civil disobedience should be practiced. You just have to have the balls to get arrested, beaten and possibly killed to stand for what is right.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And so long as those in power keep the people divided, they won't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A constitution can be as much a source of tyrrany as an absolute monarch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, the Trayvon Martin case is an example of an engineered device to divide the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Yeah, I'm gonna say that the citizens having 300% more firearms than the police is probably a safe number. Not that it would have any impact against a well-trained military force, but that's probably a moot point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How can our constitution be used for tyrrany if they have to go against it to have tyrrany?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jaffo, the thing is, it's mostly concentrated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I know. About 20% of gun owners own 65% of the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The American Bill of rights is easily one of the greatest documents ever written. It is a guideline for protecting our human god-given rights from government control.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'But I'm also of the opinion that a retired Marine toting an AK-47 talking about how he's going to go to the White House and "do what [he's] been trained to do" is more of an embarrassment and a tragedy than a rallying point for American's citizenry.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's one of the best systems of law, but the problem with a system of law is that it is highly prone to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because laws are interpreted by men.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'So is scripture, and look where a few thousand years have gotten everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obviously, but the corruption comes from circumventing the constitution, which is illegal. The problem is nobody cares enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tell the fairness of law to those people against whom it is used as a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You can have a set of laws entirely constitutional, followed to the letter, and still a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or just poorly adapted or applied.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(I'm looking at you, USPTO)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'd say just the bill of rights alone should solve most of our problems. Ideally, but in reality that is not the case.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The bill of rights has not been in practical effect since the Alien and Sedition act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well just know that the bill of rights does not grant any rights. It is merely a document outlining what government can and cannot do with said rights.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Its purpose is to limit the power of the federal government, originally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right, and it still is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Please. The commerce clause is used to excuse everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The government is long overdue for a good "limiting". Any decade now would be a good time to get that started.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'we need to kick everyone out of power and restore the republic....somehow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '"We must do violence, this I know, but not how to do it rightly"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would entail too much costs'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Violence isn't an absolute requirement.  Iceland did a rather outstanding job not so long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Iceland's government did that to the banks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'they did Jhav, but Iceland is small and we're huge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because Iceland is the first true democracy, and has kept that going strong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe if we have a bloody civil war that reduces our population to iceland numbers...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not likely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no need for blood'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And we could have done it here too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Except that too many in power were subverted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't fully trust a true democracy. A representative republic is what is needed to uphold our constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Greed tends to override almost everything else, including (or maybe especially?) a live devoted to public service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, to be honest, Iceland quickly became representative republic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Agreed, DeathSyte. Fairly certain the Founding Fathers would chokehold the crap out of everyone in D.C. if they were resurrected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or maybe they would be baffled by the advances in technology and applaud our adaptability '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmmm.  I have nothing against a republic - especially on our scale - but you really really need to remove the incentive for politicians to cater to big business, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Money and Power are always attracted to each other.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those ruling and mismanaging Iceland force-sold the DNA-rights of Iceland citizens, then squandered the Iceland monies on defective derivatives etcetera -- a laughing stock, not a competent democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Citation please, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmm, how to say this politely, Zade...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I wouldn't waste politeness so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why bother, jhav?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade forces a gag into Jhav's mouth.  Ahhh, blessed quiet.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Any river in the world would be jealous of the stream of nonsense that poors out of your mouth (fingers?).'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well, we could make lobbying illegal for one. Police aren't allowed to accept bribes so why should politicians?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does it really take money to lobby'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Might as well restrict all money from campaigns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the only politician I know of that had absolutely no audience with lobbyist was Jesse Ventura when he was the governor of Minesota'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that was by choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jesse Ventura's also hilariously crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that campaign donations from corperate sources should be public information. So then you can look and see who the person you are considering giving your vote is being bought by.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how do politicians get raise awareness on their platform without monies'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Crazy maybe, but corrupt? Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Yeah, this is the same politician that confronted a group of Navy SEALs and said enough dumb crap to get him knocked on his ass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Or at least who is giving them money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That story has not been proven to be true Jaffo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In fact it makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Hmm, looking for more info now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Some guy who is dead now put that into his book for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'anyone can write letters to representative explaining their view points'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Doesn't mean they'll listen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lets figure this out guys. Lets fix America.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You think 5 people online will 'fix' America, when we can't even agree on how it is broken?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then they dont vote for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Quick aside: -"some guy", +"the deadliest sniper in American history"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because talking on a mud is totally the way to fix america.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Unsure of his motives for potentially lying about the story, but reading Ventura's rebuttal now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Now I want to do the '300 confirmed kills' copypasta, but it's too large.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who wants to work on the Lasher for governor pettition ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Heh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's not stupid enough to want the job'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That would pretty much kill the MUD'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No no, dictatorship works great here on the MUD. Not so much in real life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But imagine a dictatorship America ruled by Lasher, with random updates. Constitution v3 and so forth. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok who wants to be a politican then'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I don't want to, but I think we need less lawyers and more people from other walks of life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've used the word nigger far to much to have a political career. Maybe a mayor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tbh, the motivation for telling the lie is saying that "you can hear about my barfight with jesse ventura in the book" will sell more copies than "Hey, I'm a navy seal, buy my book"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'BINGO Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"honest Ae for president" i can see it now'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Abe*'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as for motivation for the fight existing...the entire reason for ventura being in the city was that he was a speaker at a SEAL graduating class...and is a former SEAL himself (before they were called seals, underwater demolition team)...so while you're there to speak AT the SEAL graduating class, why would you be badmouthing them in the bar?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because you think they've gone downhill? (Just playing devil's advocate here)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, he was brought in to speak to the newly-graduated class...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I get that, Abelinc, but he didn't need the story. I don't see why he would need to use a made up story to add to the attention he was already receiving, based on his own performance in combat. So...what, he decides to add to his war record by tacking on some marginal tabloid story about decking a former governor?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he needed the story if he actually wanted to sell the book'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...the best sniper in the history of the SEALs (and America's military at large) needed a tabloid-level story to glitz up his book sales?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why did Jesse Venura offer constructive criticism, the same reason that n*****s use the word n***** (different spelling) '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many "sniper biographies" do you see on the NYT best seller list?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, how retarded are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan glares at a swarm of ear mites and covers his ears.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"context" often determines whether a word or label is used in a good or bad connotation, and "relevance" often determines whether a "bad connotation" is used "reasonably" or as an "ad hominem slur"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think it's more like "in which ways are you"...and it goes something like the poem of "How do I love thee, let me count the ways"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'personal attacks ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You're right, Abelinc. My word order was wrong. It should have been 'how are you retarded?''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Jesse Ventura as a former "seal" (under a different label) is permitted in a bar to offer constructive criticisms on "seals" (jokingly?) (which may've been misconstrued by the author of the book) '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, please come back when you have learned to ask yourself if you might be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it is a bar story, alcohol could of been involved easily.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, when you don't misuse quotation marks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is is they were at a bar together with multiple SEALS and I haven't heard of anyone else speaking up to back up that story so far. I doubt they would have missed an event like that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But, but...!  What would debate be without all the crazy?  Necroshine disappeared, Zade's one of the few left :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, they were at a bar as part of a wake for a fallen SEAL'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'His grammar is certainly idiosyncratic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'It doesn't make sense either way to me. That a former SEAL would say something so blatantly ridiculous, or that a former SEAL would feel the need to fluff book sales with a blatantly ridiculous lie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jhav: I prefer lesser crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And honestly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '"this one time this other seal was talking shit and BAM I totally punched him in the face and he cried and left" <---Bro story alert!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I'd take 10 Necroshines over Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan hopes someone gets nuked so he can move a spot on rank 1.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Necroshine, was he some kind of debate troll?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not a troll, a seriously mentally ill person who used to play here'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I think he actually had medication he wasn't on?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Necroshine who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I remember my brother used to get so frustrated with him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods he talked about the government giving him pills to make him stupid so that he wouldn't see what they were up to or somethnig'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'With his pills, he was actually an intelligent rational person with an interesting PoV.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Sounds plausible.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Squamous Morinon.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Without his pills, he makes Mel Gibson seem sane.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also think he was doing some pot or something on the side that exacerbated the symptoms'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you are attempting to be "daft"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Can't say I ever got the chance to talk to him without the stuff about devils that only he could see getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even when he wasn't taking them, he'd start out sounding normal in the morning and get crazier as the day went on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, not normal, but within the bounds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade is attempting to be "clever"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mel Gibson, he's a good guy, right'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So is Zade as bad as it gets for you guys? I don't mind him since he gives me something to debate with. I doubt he is the worst aardwolf has ever seen on a channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, sure... An alcoholic bat-shit crazy anti-Semite, but...a  good guy. Sure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'DeathSyte, you like debating walls?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade concedes every now and then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'First I've heard of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've not seen that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't remember when, but it happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade starts from positions that aren't even wrong. You have to have had a chance of being right to be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It had nothing to do with racism though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'type who ignore, does any one come up'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'There's only one person ignoring me MUD-wide that I know of.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And they haven't been on in over a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've had yet to have someone ignore me on a serious level. Not that it would matter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Someone with whom I have never spoken is ignoring me, but she doesn't log much any more :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'At least not since 2008, when I was friends with this loon trying to get me to drink at his pub.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'but still, I am like the Zade of fuck the police. Because fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent police do a decent job'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Up until they cover for bad police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we need more good cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Decent police also protect bad police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If so, DeathSyte, they are not decent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still wouldn't like to live without them, although I totally agree about the immorality of covering up misdoing'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That's a sweeping generalization, DeathSyte. Any decent cop wouldn't protect a bad cop.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a good cop would not protect a bad cop'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Good luck finding a good cop, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Police are, at the moment, something between a necessary evil and a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are some'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I know far too many LEOs to believe that for a second, Morinon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So yes, there are very few good cops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'LEO, Jaffo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You hear about police abuse over and over. But hear very little of police getting punished or good cops narcing out the bad ones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'law enforcement officer'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'This is true. People tend to focus on the negative, and that is what gets spread and repeated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'LEO is code for cop who is really into having authority and being an official and not a servant.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what? no it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...not even close, DeathSyte.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'LEO is just code for any law enforcement officer, not just cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'It's not "code" for anything. It's an acronym. You're clearly biased, however.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm saying that is what they refer to themselves as, LEO's.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'LEO is a "bigger" term than cops, it includes things like prison guards'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And so, possibly, do some who see themselves as servants.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the attitude here is not to f*** anything (except the fword) (incidentally, i asterisk out all those usages of the f-word to the less offensive f*** in the debate logfiles)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I hear of more citizens referring to police as LEOs, than police referring to themselves as LEOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But yes most cops are more concerned with "law enforcement" than they are protecting and serving. And it doesn't come from bad people so much as it does just terrible nazi police training.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate is curse-allowed...you've been using asterisks all night'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, blanking out swearwords is honestly more annoying than just posting them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which comes back to my earlier claim.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Fairness and Justice rarely go hand in hand. The latter depends upon law. The former does not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone being fake and trying to "clean up" nigger using ***s is quite offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'say it like you mean it or go the fuck home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon, the astericked word is less offensive that the original word, and serves as a reminder to not use that badword in polite conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why not just not use the word in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That sentiment fails utterly when you continue to use it repeatedly in conversation for effect, whether it's asterisked or not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I think you mean 'asterisk' not 'asterick''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'That was my understanding of it Zade you are trying to be PC. '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Im fine with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone who's trying to be PC wouldn't use it at all unless they were making a direct quote'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'complacency in a debate channel may lead to slips in noncurse conversation -- the astericks require extra diligence and act as a reminder to not be complacent '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Or you could, you know, just not use the word at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you want to make "fuck" PC, then you say fudge, not f**k'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'learn to spell.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Let's not apply logic to the Debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jaffo glances significantly at Oladon.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'zade cant F***ing great on gossip'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to use "fudge" as a replacement word is a bad practice, as eventually "fudge" becomes a badword'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if the *s aren't good enough to allow it on non-curse channels, then dunno why you think they're any less offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade: Fuck your asterisks. Protip: saying f*** on gossip will still get you in trouble.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you accidently send a curse message to a non curse channel. It is usually forgiven if it doesnt happen often.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: ''frigging" and "frak" are often used as replacement, but "f***" is far far better -- those astericks stand out are fast to spot when rereading logs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why do you want to spot yourself cursing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you cannot guard your own typing of curse words, perhaps you should avoid using them at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan hits Squamous Morinon's nose with a newspaper, "Bad Squamous Morinon, Bad!!"
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you're just wanting to find them in a quick search in logs, you can just search the damned word.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Asterisks. The word 'astericks' doesn't fucking exist. It also doesn't fudging exist, frigging exist, or frakking exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Or freaking exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this is not a debate is it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to spot others cursing -- the use of cuddwords indicates that the speaker does not believe what the speaker is saying - so any line with astericks is disbelieved faster'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(cusswords)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're debating whether or not obfuscating cusswords with symbols is better or worse than just using the word :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade: so, in short, you are telling us even you don't believe the bullshit you spew?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I'm going to get my fuck on. Believe in my e-penis!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'One last thing. When you say n-word or n***** all you do is put the word nigger in everyones head anyways. So you should just not be a faggot and a pussy and just say nigger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Actually, no, you shouldn't use either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It all depends on context.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I can think of a handful of uses of that word that are appropriate here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan whee Oladon is here
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'but using asterisks to hide it is, at best, cowardly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oladon nods.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And using asterisks to hide fuck on a curse-okay channel is just stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the previous applies to the Fword -- the other words (Nwords) that i asterick out are far more dangerous in public -- like speaking two different versions of English: private and public'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or its the way that someone chooses to express them self'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte just figured out that Oladon is an imm and is now going to completely change his attitude.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just like someone using G-d because they did not want to type whole word out'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That usually just comes from religious belief, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey xyliz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why can't you spell asterisk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i philosophically analyse, i am extremely viscious with words -- what you see here is the polite version  '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... so your words ... flow ... slowly? '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes well still both are beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and zade should be able to express himself like he wants'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade's desire is being countermanded by that expression'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Jeantel: "Trust Me, I am educated, I have a 3.0"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... in what ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tea party is the american taliban....and the real taliban resent it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pleasing the ladies'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Your heart drops as you realize that Saint Cuthbert is seducing Dispel Majic, not you.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are the NAACP blacklisting black conservatives from their conference?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because Uncle Toms hurt the message.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'If a white South African moves to America, is he considered an African American?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who you ask'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for purposes of race, no, which means you don't get all those nifty scholarships and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'that would be so wierd asking for scholarships, or filling out forms'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if a space alien landed in the US, would it be an illegal alien and deported back home ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, maybe we'll grant it asylum'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they made a movie about that, called District 9 I believe'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it was called The Day The Earth Stood Still'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive seen district 9'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Nugent is spot on again, in a column he writes that Zimmerman should sue Trayvon Martin's parents for stress, emotional pain and aguish that their son caused him'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No way, Plan 9 From Outer Space'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert nods quietly to herself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seen plan 9 from outer space too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'teddy is coming over to the ranch this weekend....we are going boar hunting with explosive arrows.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he can take time off his tour, you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cuttin' out the middleman and shooting your bacon, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have 380 tagged wild boar on the ranch....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how boaring!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are also about 70 tagged deer on the ranch...we are trying to get more of them....so that we can sell hunts to fat people with lots of money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2 day hunt on a ranch in Texas can easily sell for $2500 to 3000.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't CSI do an episode on that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just to be "that guy", that's fucking sick, bud. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Not at those prices it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Profiting off letting fat citydwellers kill animals for fun is disgusting. That's all I'm gonna say about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'What if they're svelte citydwellers, Cuthie?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh well, its our land...we can do with it what we will.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds good to me, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends if they put out, Mori. :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully we will get the ranch next to ours, and add 1200 more acres to the ranch for hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you hold an allodial title to it, rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cuthbert's just whiny because he's realized he voted in all kinds of people who profited off that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh? And who's that, Hans? Or are you just assuming you know which country I live in as well? :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hans tends to make non sequitur ad hominems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade changed his name again?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nah, he doesn't have Zade/Xyliz' syntax.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, a wannabe then'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Really Mori? I figured anyone named after a fictional nazi jew-hunter would be a class act. OH GOD, MY LIFE. :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'USAmericans gays niggers jews hispanice paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I am the real Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, I just happen to know that rednecks vastly outnumber everyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nope. You haven't mangled the English Language enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'touche morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hans: you know wrong, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest ranch in Texas is still the King Ranch....we will never get that big....it would cost billions today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wait...Chemosh was Druzil, and Zade was Xyliz...or are they all the same dude?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't hold an allodial title, then you don't own the land, Rizzer, you essentially rent it off the state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'IIRC, Necro was Druzil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'check out desert ranches in florida'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chemosh was also druzil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that farky, I would love to see them try to take our land, or the king ranch from the descendants of mr king.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or mr norris ranch which is about 2 miles from ours.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't take it from you except by compulsory purchase, but the lack of allodial title means they can regulate your use of it and charge you property taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who hold allodial titles can opt out of property tax'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the difference between OWNING the land and merely owning the title to the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same deal here in the UK, except there have been no allodial titles since prior to 1066, and it's the crown that owns the land not the state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agricultural land in Texas is extremely cheap when it comes to property tax....we paid $200 last year for 1600 acres.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Holy shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really the point is it? The democrats could get in and put it up to $200,000'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but they won't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not likely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok this is the difference between paranoia and reality'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'atually, in Texas they cant, because by law it is limited to a certain % increase per year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, the democrats are coming!? Grab y'er guns Billy Bob!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd pay $1800 here for under an acre'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they actually want to encourage agriculture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the increase per year cannot be higher than the avg of the previous 5 years to prevent the law from changing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for undeveloped agricultural?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can they not change the law?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or is it part of the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure with a super majority of 80%'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can change the law, sure.  They won't, though, just like they won't touch taxes or medicare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no tax raising lib is going to get 80% of Texas vote :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you have to understand these things or else your crazy brain is going to eat you up, man'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will get 55 though'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, Texas likes their wasteful idiot governors tax raising governors to be Republican.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, Taxes in Texas are some of the lowest in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's being replaced with a guy in a wheelchair'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think Ted Nugent should be the next Texas governor'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we had a budget surplus last year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And uncontrolled wildfires because there was no budget to fight them, as I recall.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you might be thinking arizona, no wildfires around here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have Chuck Norris.  Why would they need a budget?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been getting dumped on by rain the last couple months....it has been raining here in houston the last week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Texas_wildfires" I don't like to use Wiki too much, but sometimes it's a safe bet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2011 was 2 years ago in a drought...the drought is over in most parts, except the deep west of the state :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt surprise me if we hit 50 inches of rain this year in SE texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wish winter would hit already.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Winter in Texas is so nice and mild'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the winters are getting cold in SE texas...:('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when discussing weather and climate, "Texas" is not a thing...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'in NE Texas, it almost never goes below 30F'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we actually had a week of under 32 F last winter....hated it.....moved back to Texas from north dakota for warmer weather....but it was warmer in north dakota. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with all the anti-texas sentiment about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I moved from Dallas to Austin last year, in part to get to a warmer part of the state. I hate that it ices in Dallas a couple of times a year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only 2 things come from texas }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and abe is both of them :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'queers & steers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the idea that, before the neocons and democrats started trying to take over the states, if you want a different regime, move to a different state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An aussie chemical company is building a new plant in Texas worth $750 million to make fertilizer to ship back to aussieland.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh lord, lets hope it doesn't explode'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we will let them build it in the inner cities part of houston....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Houston is so terrible'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'houston is one of the greatest cities in the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Probably because i prefer small towns'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the port of houston is in the top 3 in the US, and the city has 20 or so refineries and huge chemical plants on the coast.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing the winds mostly blow east...so we dont have to smell it :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, mustard is tasty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the first recognized american cattle breed was created in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By 1870, 300,000 head of cattle made their way from the West to the railroads of Kansas, and thence to the stockyards of Chicago. On a Texas ranch, a steer worth $11 would bring $20 from a buyer in Abilene. The buyer in turn could ask $31.50 at the Union Stock Yards.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, $50 million is plenty to live the high life in the canary islands, with no extradition treaty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57593953/bay-area-musician-attacked-after-dedicating-song-to-trayvon-martin/'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you like the revelation that the police were tracking all cars through auto number plate recognition and storing the info for 5 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I put a tracker on your car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/17/tech/paypal-error/index.html?hpt=hp_t2'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this goes to show that CNN is staffed by fuckwits who cannot read a bank statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Continuum is a pretty good show, and canadian no less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh joy, the pick for DHS head supports mass surveillance and NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with these retarded female politicians?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'probably it's more to do with being politicians than femals'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least she won't be a predatory lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you guys started it...london is the most survellanced city in the world....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is only one among many reasons not to go there'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it being expensive, overcrowded, polluted, a crime hotspot and majority foreigners are a few others'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all those cameras and they still never caught jack the ripper'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor did the illegal tapping of internet/phones/etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a new school jack the ripper?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'who is jack the ripper?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love how initially our UK governemnt said "we were not involved with Prism", and now it's saying "Our involvement with PRISM was within UK law"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there anywhere left to go in the world that hasn't been overrun by shitbags?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is prism the name for Skynet ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal court overturned an earlier block on NDAA indefinite detentions btw'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'you could go to a laundry. Iam sure there are no shitbags there'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so,who doesnt think the tea party is the american version of the taliban ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the democrat party is more like an american taliban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'uh not quite that extreme'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, the taliban aren't quite that extreme'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, are you trolling, or stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am, however, quite angry and very tired'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Then you are simply misled.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because you are WAY off the mark.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Katleen Sebelius likening Obamacare to civil rights legislation of the 1960s?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he doesn't live in the US, mind you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, if you want extremism in a US political party today, you need look no further than republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'truly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because....think of the CHILDREN!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL extremist, morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all the same, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also not quite true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost exactly true'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Republicans are much better at playing the game.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'your brain is all extremist, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, where are you from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, used no food coloring other then the natural color of the meat mash.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big club, and you're not in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Morinon, you must be new to debate channel if you are asking that question'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The aristocracy of wealth has its fingers in both parties, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides seek to impose an authoritarian ideology on the public'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, Vost, I just haven't been on the MUD in a year and a half until recently.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is essentially why they're both similar to the taliban, it stops there - they're not THAT similar to the taliban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But while there are members of both parties that seem to be rather authoritarian (including, sadly, Obama), that doesn't mean that both parties are innately. The republican leadership, definitely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have called themselves the scotch on the rocks party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The democratic leadership can't control its own party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's irrelevent, both parties ARE innately authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, but "nope" doesn't hold'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Your statement lacks any substantial support.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the last 8 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The last eight years have been one party not playing nice, and the other party finally realizing they might want to try it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also Obama showing his actual colors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with the price of chips?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'More than your categorical absolutist nonsense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying both sides are as bad as each other is absolutist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'categorical absolutist nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Nice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it being accurate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's no more accurate than saying 'piss and shit are equally bad for you'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of potatoes continue to drop, but the price of chips continue to increase.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Both are accurate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Er, both are bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame the american taliban.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But shit is far more actively bad for you than piss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let me get this straight, "both sides are equally bad" is absolutist nonsense, yet saying the the republicans are the worst and teh democrats aren't, is somehow accurate despite clearly being not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can drink piss, you can't eat shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You can eat shit, I don't recommend it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs eat shit, and then lick you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's dogs though'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Worst? No. Worse? Yes. That's a relative, not absolute, statement.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and anyways, the republicans are more batshit crazy than the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'On average, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batshit crazy is often good'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no it is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'On average, no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take batshit crazy over authoritarian and evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'necon tea party members take a shit and make the american taxpayers pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'obviously, you haven't grasped that one yet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you don't know what batshit crazy actually means.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts: what if the batshit crazy is ALSO authoritarian and evil?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You are making a common mistake here, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You are equating one democrat (Obama) to the entire democratic party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because i'd rather my representative believes women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant while being raped over one who believes it's ok to detain people indefinitely without trial, spy on everyone without warrants, and withdraw the right to self defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama's irrelevent, i'm talking about his administration'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you are talking about having courage to stand by good ideals, even if it means political suicide...and you think that means batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I'd rather not have either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me a decent libertarian democrat then'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, protip, the guy who thinks that about pregnancy? Also thinks that about espionage, detention without trial, and no right to self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, but that's what you mean when you refer to batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Although they will give lip service to the self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, both parties seem to think that the detention is okay :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, by batshit crazy I mean authoritarian and evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Democrats only opposed detention when it was a republican doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gitmo is a nice place to live.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what HE means as batshit crazy, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Republicans are at least consistent in supporting it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh great, so democrats are less evil, but more hypocritical?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, how do you know what I mean by batshit crazy, when it was Cambodia that introduced the term and I agree with his definition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you ditch the fucking lot of them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I would love to, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, southern democrats support slavery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Supported.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off you go, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'they also supported segregation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because I can just press a button and fix it all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'support....just because you make $8 an hour it doesnt mean you are not a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts confirmed for no sense of reality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey, Tiger, how about you quit telling us to completely overhaul our country, and how about instead you go start throwing rocks at all of the CCTV cameras in your country?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know, be really proactive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can tell you that you won't solve it by voting for the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I haven't been.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're advocating by implying one is slightly less bad than the other'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Although I still hold some hope of getting some intelligent people to reform the parties from within (it's happened before, it will likely happen again).'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday when the corporations take over, everyone will work to pay off their life debt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, clean up your own fucking country before you lecture me on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't, ours has been taken over by the NWO'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'courtesy of Brussels'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Oh, and ours hasn't, then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pfft.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still have guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You never had guns legally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes, in the 19th century.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have shotguns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh boo hoo, listen to you, WAAAH NWO I can't overthrow my government, well Suck It Up, buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'or quit telling us to overthrow ours'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you quite finished? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Depends, have you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't started yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, that explains why all you've given is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Perhaps you actually have something of value to say before the heat death of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a wall to bounce off'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I mean, in a trillion years you might say something worth saying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I support that if only because it removes Rick Perry from running for President.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'jesus no we cannot have Rick Perry running this shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry > you'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no he ain't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rick Perry < dogshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a governor of a successful state?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'now he is batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A success he has almost nothing to do with and is working hard to squander.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's not king of a successful country, there is a difference, remember'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you actually lived in a democracy, you'd know that, but you don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody lives in a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you actually lived in a representative republic, you'd know that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, it was the gov that forced the texas legislature to balance the budget after we had a deficit of $18 billion'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks Squamous Morinon heartily.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Squamous Morinon nods at Code Name: Cambodia.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shut up, RIzgoth, you racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he wouldnt let them go home until they balanced the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't use facts in the face of such criticism'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hmm. Well, it's nice to know he actually pays more than lip service to the useful parts of the republican platform.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these guys hate Rick Perry and their enormous egos prevent any recognition of work he has actually done, batshit crazy or not'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we are having a large surplus this year, so most of that will go back to schools, which was cut to balance the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how long it will be before the feds plunder your oil wealth'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's not good for nothing, but he definitely should not be President'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree wit that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has a gov that actually works to make the state better, unlike most states that have govs that only care about themselves or the party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Based on that, I will say Rick Perry is fine, other than a few standard republican retardations, for Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Hell, I'm sure Sarah Palin could at least not run Alaska into the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perry could easily win a 4th term as gov if he wanted to run.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which is why they pushed through that utterly retarded abortion bill, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got that Abbot bloke who had a tree fell on him coming instead'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retarded if you're pro-choice i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perry isnt perfect, but he is better than most neocon republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he is definitely bad at not saying weird crap in front of the press'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not much in the way of good influence in the GOP atm with the possible exception of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you are actually pro-life, you are not pro-death penalty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you actually give a shit about the unborn, you should give a shit about them after they're born too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all politicians say stupid things, but it is the press that tilts how it is said to sound like something else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe...you think they should have the chance to prove whether or not they are shitheads before you fry them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'right riz...the art is to not say things that can be easily tilted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Howard Dean was just being enthusiastic, but he was bad at not looking weird...so he lost it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan of the death penalty, nor fixed life sentances, or even prison at all unless it's really necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then no one would ever say anything. :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as we actually prove they're shitheads and don't run them out to the electric chair after a trial with an incompetent lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and then Kerry didn't get Cheez Whiz on his Philly Cheese Steak...that sort of ruined his deal too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe in transparent gov.....Texas has one of the most transparent in the union.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas has some dodgy coppers, but still good compared to some'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rizgoth: which is why when it's stupid, it's stupid for all the world to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Like the whole 'searching for tampons''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather everyone see the stupid things and the good things, than just the good things and never know what is really going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say i can get too excited about abortion bills, they're pretty insignificant in the bigger picture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Agreed, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what we need to do is do way more research into the reversible vasectomy treatment that they invented in India'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is for people to keep their clothes on'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Perry's also in favor of the law (repealed by the supreme court) criminalizing homosexual activity in private dwellings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that will not happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that has never happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you will never have a satisfactory solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost every state in the country has a law that makes it illegal to be a poopshooter in your home. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wrong-o!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not for a long time, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wrong, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the laws are still there, they are just not enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of them repealed them, the ones that may still have one on the books don't enforce it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'They have been repealed, struck down, or in some cases ignored.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'except texas, which tried -- witness lawrence vs. texas'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff_vasectomy/'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like how in massachusetts it is illegal to be a witch in some cities.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'RISUG -- it'll change the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And there is supreme court precedent to kill th rest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does appear that many states do have a law that makes a criminal offence of "being black without due care and attention"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That's not an actual law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all but 14 states had invalidated their sodomy laws before the supreme court struck it down'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's just how laws are enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter about abortion though....they will just set up a network that drives patients to clinics on the state line.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see a new business opportunity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The problem is volume, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it does matter, because there are huge parts that are nowhere near the state line'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Currently, doctors in clinics are performing about 10 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'With this law, to keep up, it will be about 40 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dr Aleva Kinga, niece of MLK Jr has come out in support of George Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'once they get RISUG going in the US, there should be a lot less unwanted pregnancies'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and people will be bussed to oklahoma, lousianna, and new mexico'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'RISUG?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and arkansas'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless those states copy texas as well -- if it's okay for one state to do, it's okay for others'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter, cause there will be dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits against it, and the supreme court will squash it like always.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'squash what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, what we need is a better option than 'abstinence only' sex ed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because it's leading kids to have the sex they were going to have anyways, and resign themselves to having babies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need is a return to values so that people don't have large numbers of kids by large numbers of fathers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Instead of taking precautions that will reduce the chance of having kids down to less than 1%'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all it takes is one judge to say sorry, not going to happen, and the law is overturned until the supreme court can look at it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Bullshit, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You're asking for a return to values that never existed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they existed'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Oh, individuals had them, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was once considered socially acceptable to have kids out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But society as a whole only paid them lip service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in which civilization did it exist in ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surely not ours.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including yours :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'guys'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, you don't even understand your own country's history, do you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'this is RISUG'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then why waste the money passing a law that's just going to get overturned?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh no, my grandfather was a horn dog, and he was of the WWII generation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as it's not socially acceptable to go around stealing things and calling people wankers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'http://techcitement.com/culture/the-best-birth-control-in-the-world-is-for-men/#.UecUSqyG5di'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people still do it, and did it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, I don't know why you think that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's going to change the world when the rest of the world gets it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I think that frankly, teh thing that bothers me the most is that it's politicians overriding the medical community on a 'safety' issue.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But small theft from 'the deserving' (IE the rich) has always been socially acceptable to everyone but the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here the best thing they can do is to stop encouraging people to have kids through the welfare system and penalise missing parents'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And calling people wankers has also always been socially acceptable to everyone but those who try to pretend they're better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your opinion, Morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not one universally shared'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Protip: if you think calling someone a wanker is not socially acceptable, you're probably a wanker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so you would rather have a system where the kids are blamed instead because their parents didnt use birth control ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody here has suggested that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Instead of a system that encourages them to use birth control, and thus prevents extra kids being a drain on welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is what happens when you take away the welfare from families.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never solve the problem with birth control alone'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it didn't solve it here'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, but promoting its use is a good start.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is promoted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'How is it promoted?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come India has so many people?  Do all the families have 4-6 kids ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in schools, on tv, popular culture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they do have a lot of kids'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the usual propaganda outlets'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That's where, not how.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did you see that birth control thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'so should condoms and birth control be free?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are free, kasnog'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Really? Maybe i don't get out enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'just think, when your son turns 15 for about $40 he'll never get a girl pregnant unless he wants to'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Are there any hoops to jump through?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Okay, no barriers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt it be ironic if treatments for cancer is what created a cure for HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in about 5 years or so I'd say'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'So once more, how is it promoted? Not where, how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cure HIV and other sex diseases, and the party will be back!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Curing HIV is far more likely than curing cancer. HIV is a single thing. Cancer is about twenty interrelated things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Eva Vertes is on the curing cancer thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'We have found cures for some specific kinds of cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last time i had any form of engagement with it it was done via schools, youth groups, popular culture, advertising in clubs, pubs, through health professionals, family planning clinics'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I bet her team will come up with something good'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts: that's the where.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not the how.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advertising, association with cultural icons'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe it would help if you clarified what you meant by 'how' a bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'male injectible birth control is safer than female versions of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'How is it being promoted. "Don't have kids before you're ready?" "Don't be a drain on society?" "Think before you stick it in?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did you see that article riz?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am the lawnmower man, I see it all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure there's a single approach, but it tends to be the latter, showing consequences'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also they piggy back onto the STD issue'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there'll be a lot more unwanted children when men have control over whether or not sex creates children'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'More or less?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I meant less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a LOT less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'way way way way less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think the unwashed masses will want to have this operation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do think that a good male birth-control pill would reduce it a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because it's cheap as fuck'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially since it is usually the man who gets screwed when it comes to alimony and palimony :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I agree, Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't be arsed to take a free pill, or use a free condom, why would they use a cheap surgical op?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the chemicals cost less than the syringe that injects them, and it works for 10 years and is reversible at any time'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because you only need to get the op done *once*'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'obviously you don't know much about sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah, the power of laziness.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be beneficial, but that's no guarantee that they'll get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you'd know why people don't use condoms, or take the pill'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'how about...government incentives?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an alternative to getting people pregenant? no, i don't, it's retarded'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the boys can't take a pill now, and some of the girls lie or are stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'someone I know, his ex-girlfriend fished one of his condoms out of the garbage and got herself pregnant to get him to stick around'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as of right now only the girl has to be stupid or lying -- if both the girl and the boy can take pills, then they both have to be stupid about it/lying/or desiring a child.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid is nearer the mark than all of the other arguments going'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid and/or lazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'guys don't use condoms, because they don't always have one when they are going to fuck, and if you are going to fuck you are not going to go to the store first and get a condom, it doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly I've heard a lot more ditzy teenage girls who want 'a baby to love them' than similar boys.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and well, shit happens with the pill'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like I said, you really don't have much sex obviously'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'men just want to get laid, we really do not, in our hearts, want to put unwanted children in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bromine'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, it'll be simple, you turn 15, your parents drive you to the doctor, you get your operation, just like you get your shots or check up or whatever, it's quick and easy, and then you're sterile until you want to have kids with someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you go back to the doctor, get it reversed, good to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's the future, when this comes out, I guarantee it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now you're relying on the parents not being shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a lot more parents who don't want their 15yo having children than otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies arise from communities where the parents or the kids are shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it'd be better than now, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better yes, panacea, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, just make it a part of the selective service registration.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you require it it'll never pass -- too many 'contraceptives encourage our children to hate Jesus' voters'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offer men $50 each to get it done'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'take the average cost of an unwanted child to the government, divide that number by 4, and offer that much money to families that take their kid to get the operation done'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, nuts, there's a place in CA that was offering confirmed druggies a significant sum to get their tubes tied'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'properly setup and policed, it's a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there were howls of racism from all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though probably shouldn't give it to the over 50s'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$10,000....it worked...then years later they sued the person doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because ... more of their clients were minorities than otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well those howls of racism should have had their sources set on fire and asked politely to leave the country'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fake bullshit racism shit is my pet peeve of the week'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'btw, it was 300 bucks, for either long term birth control or sterilization, your choice'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our prisons would havve 2x as many people if not for abortion and bc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the problem is that when you put $10,000 on one side, and your future family on the other, when you are on drugs that scale tips *WAY* differently than when you get sober'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, this one I'm thinking of paid them 300 -- if you chose for an implant/iud, you'd get paid 100 now, 100 in six months, and 100 in a year, assuming it's still in'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your prisons would be almost empty if you stopped imprisoning people with 3strikes for having pot, or for being black'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent crime has been dropping in most parts of the US for the last 30 years....some places like Chicago it is going up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'funny story:  I heard that in Ancient Rome, there was a relative of the fennel plant that was a *very* effective contraceptive...and now it is extinct, because they harvested *all* of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are other plants like that, cambodia, but they can make you permanently sterile'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, I support removing jail time for drug abuse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'me too buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Damned for-profit prison system.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support removing jail time for almost all non-violent crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Suddenly there's money to lobby for stricter sentencing for crimes!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh the whole justice system is a racket, that is a messed up thing to be sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas had to close down 3 prisons in the last couple of years because of a lack of prisoners...:p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Sounds good to me, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That is an industry that should be falling apart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A pity we have no frontier.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if the cops did their job well, they'd be putting themselves out of work...which is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'the problem is that they know it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't off scott free yet, rizzer, your lot is still threatening to send a teenager down for 10 years for jokingly say he was going to go to a school and shoot up some kinds on an online game'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is having a really hard time keeping prisons staffed also, because the energy companies pay 2-3x better than the state does, and energy jobs are only marginally more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an anonymous rich guy put up the $500k bail for the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That rich guy is awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that shows there are good people out there, but the fact is he shouldn't have had to'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'We're coming to the point where the idiocy of zero tolerance is plain for all to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you really think the kid is going to go to jail?  Never going to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was already in jail'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'America just has too much pride to back down from the policy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pending trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because he couldnt afford the bail, he said he was going to murder people on facebook.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'joke or not, he shouldnt have done it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he didnt say he was thinking of doing it, he said he was going to do it.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what I read, it was on the chat part of an online game and he said he was going to an elementary school to shoot up some kids J/Kidding'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he shouldn't have done it, and hauling him off and having him spend the night at the police station and scaring the shit out of him would be totally appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like me saying on here "I'm going to rape yo momma - just kidding, i'm not really"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Majic: I agree. Jailing him for ten years, not so much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly some sort of community service'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he isnt going to get 10 years, because the power is with the judge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'a lot of problems in the US comes from the mistaken belief that profiling works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the judge will sentence him to time served, and to community service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'come, even.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's already been in jail for months, and he shouldn't have been. there was no reason whatsoever to post that kind of bail in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nobody is safer for this.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what happens when you have overbearing security rules from a centralised government'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which all come about because of your own foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to NATO!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has nothing to do with nato'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to do with profit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was being more polite than saying USA/UK, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still has nothing to do with govt, everything that govt passes is for profit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all disagree with it (except maybe you) yet it's still done in our name'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone wins, and someone loses'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military industrial complex basically is the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with overt champions in both camps, but most notably the neocons in the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it is companies like Boeing, or Mcdonnel douglas etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 of many'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the criminal justice industrial complex is the 3 big prison corporations....1 of which controls 40% of state and federal prisons in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BAE, Finnsmechanica, godknows how many military corps in Virginia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 25% country wide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that one of the biggest contractors preparing to be involved in Obamacare is a british company called "Serco", screwing up public services for 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is 1 large multi national corporation that you rarely hear about....BASF'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have their mitts in 100s of companies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear about them poisoning shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from time to time'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF is the largest chemical conglomerate in the whole world...but most people have no clue'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i knew, i claim points'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything you buy, has a BASF chemical in it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is also a German company...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dates back to pre ww2, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1865, apparently, I recalled it because it was titled IG Farben during WW2 and made the gas that wipe out all those jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF wants do GMO potato trials in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder why they changed the name :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can fuck off, though they've been buying off many members of parliament here to try and lift the ban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF also owns Bayer Pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'officially, BASF does about $80 billion in business each year, but unofficially it is closer to $300 billion and growing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF is trying to buy Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a hostile takeover.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i thought basf did cassette tapes'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto's days are numbered anyway, public opinion is turning against them'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is not just gmo foods.....its roundup weedkiller is the most popular chemical in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and people are turning on that, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF wants roundup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was advising them, i'd say leave it a couple of years, i'm predicting a drop in Montsanto's stock price :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I am sure BASF also wants the $ billions each year that monsanto gets from the HFCS subsidy in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that weeds are fast becoming resistant to their chemicals and overall chemical use on Montsanto crops is now HIGHER than for regular seeds'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should end that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you do it chance one little chemical in roundup and you have another 10 years of new use.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is change'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the time damaging the ecosystem, it's ecoterrorism'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, it is profit....that is the only thing big corporations care about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, to the detriment of us all'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's what a corporation is made for'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the clean room of the building site of jw space telescope is empty, there is noone there. all asleep. and heck, they keep the lights on. who's gonna pay for that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and they apologize in advance if the webcam is not working. i smell aliens'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the nazis found dna from jesus and decided to clone jesus to haness his power and destroy God, and the world for a new 4th reich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, the nazis had the technology to clone ppl?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, but they got the dna from the original cross that jesus was cruicified on, cause the church protected it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but the clones had a terrible habit of bad language -- every third word out of their mouth was a curse'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and yet, the guy who lost his temper and pushed one out the window was arrested for making an obscene clone fall'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth can be seen at the top of a clock tower. What's he up to?
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems to me all the clones were obscene'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Rizgoth, do you see a DeLorean race towards you? How's the weather?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Looking for a challenger...'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Dost any mortal dare challenge me?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'anime or normal shows ? which one wins?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Normal reigns supreme. Anime is horribly unrealistic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Anime is the curse of intellectuality. It only destroys our minds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: '555'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'institutionalized racism does not exist in America anymore. All racism lies with the individuals now, some of which may be in positions of legal power like judges.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'depends on how you define an institution.  institutions can't make decisions on their own.  one way or another, there's still an individual behind it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, nice to come home to some good old fashioned racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening homies, howdy niggas'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hey balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another day, more revelations of impropriety by the US administration'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's becoming passe'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see Detroit getting in on the Eurozone act by declaring bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare reccommends mandatory hiv testing of all people between 15 and 65 years of age'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'might not be a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want the government to have a database of the blood types of everyone between those ages?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with knowledge of what they take'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about they "offer" a hiv test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well people should know if they are hiv +'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit like my local doctors trying to make me attend an asthma clinic, saying it's voluntary, then getting all snotty when i choose not to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think people probably WOULD know if they were hiv +'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not unless they get tested'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's HIV, not the common cold'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's HIV, not AIDS'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm its deadly and you dont just get over it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You want to catch it before it gets to that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the point is that it doesn't spread through the air'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it spreads via sex or contaminated blood products/needles'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and people have lots of sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'probably some people doing it right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so because people have lots of sex, everyone MUST have a test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make it available free for those who want it, then the paranoid and the promiscuous can have it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'my point is that you don't just say "people would know if they had it".'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people would know if they have had the opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'because most don't until it's too late, unless they get tested'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is sounding like a song from Team America'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '95% of the adult population have had the opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well if people that had it knew there would be less chance if it spreading'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '95% of the population have not had an opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even if someone's in a monagamous relationship, most people can't 100% guarantee that their partner is'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're worried, they can go get a test'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If we took that stance with polio in the 60's, we'd still have hundreds of thousands of people dying today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polio is not hiv'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polio is an infectious disease, hiv is not'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'um, yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'completely different infection vectors, leinei'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's an opportunistic pathogen'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's not a primary pathogen, but it's still an infectious disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot equate the two'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'why not?  it's caused by a virus, just like HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the polioVIRUS'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is a slow computer'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is hiv vaccine'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei pats Tigernuts on his head.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no*'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hiv does not cause epidemics because of it's infection vector'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'arent there cases of people that had hiv knowingly transmit it to another person and then get charged with manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spread of hiv can be halted in it's tracks through education'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is no vaccine for hiv that i have heard of'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be given the same treatment as other STDS, information, teaching in schools, and free tests to anyone who wants them'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has been cases of people getting cut with hiv knife and then taking hiv meds and it does not take hold'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an enforced blanket test of the whole population is pointless, breaches peoples rights, and is stupidly costly'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's been lots of clinical trials with several vaccines that have shown efficacy'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why are you talking about blanket tests'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because that's what is being called for'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's an FDA-approved drug on the market right now that reduces the risk of catching HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was how the conversation opened :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Don't remember what it's called'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Truvada.  Believed to result in a 99% reduction in contracting HIV in high-risk individuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vK5UkZrPcc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeantel, "a smart cookie", or "dumber than a box of rocks"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I seen her on Piers Morgan, talking about how you are not in danger when you are catching an "ass whoopin" and....I totally get what she was talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that depends what side of an ass whoopin' you're on'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Even though Zim's self defense was proven justified in court. Chances are that Travon was just gonna whoop his ass and not kill him....maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a wafer thin argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was getting beaten up, i'd be in fear for my life'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably about as likely as Dr. Dre coming out in a PSA saying Thug Life is a terrible thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consequently if i was armed, i'd damn well use it, though i'd probably aim for somewhere less likely to kill'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly an exact science though'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in such a situation, you would be very unlikely to aim and even less likely to be given the time to aim.  Unless your assailant had no clue you had a gun, which seems really absurd given the closeness of the MMA action.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, in this day and age, young black men seem to have this weird notion that EVERYBODY is packing heat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including them, usually'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'especially them, given their propensity towards gangbanging.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'brick-and-mortar stores are hacking into your smartphone to figure out where in the store you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not with me they won't be'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not in the store! Also my cell phone is off and in a different location..'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and not registered to me..'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a smartphone ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suck it up, mofo!'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, the phones are optional in some places.  They're also using their digital security camaras to pinpoint (down to mere inches) where you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could do that forever'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since I am highly resistant to buying anything that isn't a book, it probably won't help them much anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spam's pretty cheap, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, A young Norwegian woman has been sentenced to 16 months in jail after she reported a rape in Dubai.The 25-year-old was in the United Arab Emirates on a business trip when she was raped and reported the assault to the local police.Dubai police did not believe her, and instead took her passport and jailed her on suspicion of having had sex outside marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our 'masters' are allied with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'suckers walk, money talks, but you can't touch my 3-lock box!'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to solve the middle east is to arm the women'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hasn't the Taliban and Al Qaeda been doing so for last half-decade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wish North Korea would just go full out war already.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'every little bit of news we get of North Korea threatening stuff kinda feels like blueballing'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would you want to get into yet another land war with Asia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he's an arms dealer'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bionic or organic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost claps half-heartedly for Hanslanda, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Either NK collapses on itself, or it finally attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'NK is too big to fail.  Besides, they're one of the few places patently able to deal with the zombie apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's just that NK has so much potential, but they decide to be inept and militaristic to absurd levels'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why run a fair and free country when you can just live like a king with loyal subjects?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'im bored who wants to challenge me'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'at debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you came to the wrong channel motherfucker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'ill take you on joshua!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'shoot bra'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'skrym is way worse than oblivion in gameplay and combat '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'a'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'storyline to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the Skyrim system is way better though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'But the story line is better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it works like it's supposed to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Better map. And the Greybeards make it better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'yes but oblivion is easier to play'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'So u cant handle the difficulty?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's nothing like the first time you played Morrowind though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Never got to playing that though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'what i mean is that the combat and spells are easier to execute the spell system is same as morrowing slightly annoying'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Well I dont use spells.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'The Skyrim system, though simpler, has a much better feel which Bethesda has been trying to capture since Morrowind though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is the natural evolution of strength and skill by practice, like the "real world"'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'yeah but they had that in oblivion already'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah but it was still broken like Morrowind'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'where you end up finding a slave that you can compliment, and sitting there pressing X and sleeping to up your Personality'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'or walking up to a crab in full armor and then going to get something to eat to up your heavy armor skill'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'true you could easly tgm and stand and leg goblins hit you until you master in armour'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best way to play Skyrim is to just be an adventurer and go adventure, and it evolves naturally, the way they always wanted it to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'taking out the stats actually improved the game, IMO'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the other game, I'd pick my skills specifically to get the proper stat bonuses at level up so that I could munchkin my guy out, and get the +5s when I slept'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Skyrim got rid of all that, and took it back down to "make your favorite guy", and it works out way better than Oblivion or Morrowind'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Oblivion also had that silly ass thing where the monster levels followed you, and not always well, basically taking all the point out of leveling in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'So I supposd that all proves that Skyrim is better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'making a situation where it was often better to not level than to level.  No...Skyrim got the gameplay way better for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well that is what I am getting at :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the books are quality in all three games, Morrowind especially however...and that is one of my favorite parts of the Elder Scrolls games'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well that was fun :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I like Oblivion for a lot of reasons, but Cambodia is right in saying that Skyrim is just put together way better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it was a bit odd to me, but making it simpler actually made it way better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well matty it looks like Skyrim won.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'indubitably!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, so the photographs of the boston bomber when he came out of hiding in the boat, had no visible throat wound and was walking, yet within seconds of being taken into custody he developed a throat wound so serious that they had to give him an emergency trachiotomy'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I also heard that the "boston bomber" that is on trial right now may not even be the guy but a lookalike, lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How convienient that this isn't a cameras in the courtroom situation like the invader Zim trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they want to keep it quiet because the two brothers were on the CIA payroll'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'is that information from fox news? Or a creditable source?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, Detroit's bankruptcy has been blocked because it breaches Michigan's constitution, how's that going to play out?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian government, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'huh, crazy '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was sent to train with Chechen islamic rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on fake credentials, caused a bit of a fuss, Russian Intelligence told CIA off and told them to take him away'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wouldnt be the first time damage was done by people we trained, not really shocking. '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't necessarily mean that they put him up to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'double agents are unreliable - the guy in charge of the 7/7 bombings in London was the same, an MI6 asset'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a seriously flawed methodology that i wish they'd stop using'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'see, it is so hard to put that on anyones shoulders but their own tho, i mean, it is kind of crazy to think what people get trained in'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'who is to say they are going to stay sane?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'kind of like us soldiers, train them, then let them go about their lives, well.. wtf are they going to do now? they got all this training'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it has anything to do with sanity, you don't have to be insane to be a bomber or a terrorist, just dedicated to a cause that opposes your own'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well i call that insane :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tad unfair, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'calling someone who is willing to mass murder insane is unfair?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, to them it's justified'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, then i am an unfair person, because they are fucking nuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you call every single person in the German army between 1939 and 1945 insane? or the German public? or the French people that collaberated with them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'If they are willing to carry out actions which will murder many innocents.. Yep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you likewise think the US drone pilots are insane, as is the state department, the president, and many cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, when you are in a position of extreme power, or under orders that if you refuse you go to prison, it is a little different i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that distinction is a difficult one to excuse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but i still think it is insane'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I do not care who ordered me, i would not kill an innocent'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being in a position of power and doing it, in my mind, makes you far worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, when you are the president of the united states, i mean, people are going to die, thats just how we roll'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So yea, i guess he is insane for getting himself into that position knowing full well what it will mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad that's sarcasm, otherwise it would paint you as sick in the head'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Blonk )
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's going to happen to Detroit now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, who knows, but it is a brutal city, i can tell ya that'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any Michganites knowledgable of their own consitution about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they should put their hands up'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Detroit has been crumbling for quite awhile, who knows what is going to happen in the long run.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to have to go bankrupt, there's no option'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, there is options, its just they are going to hurt :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something will have to give, or Obama could bail out with tax money, which will piss everyone off and lose him the election'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what election?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he has run his max amount of terms'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2014'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'ahh, yea'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it, congress?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he needs more control thats for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, senate'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's on course to lose control of the senate, says NAte Silver'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, elections every two years, i wish everyone knew that and voted in them, hopefully this one is different'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like Dianne Feinstein to get the boot, but i doubt it'll happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i would like a bunch of people to get the boot'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting to learn of a Democrat that is libertarian and not dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it is very hard to find a politician that is not dumb as a box of rocks, or corrupt as hell'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'on any side of the isle, well, probably harder to find a republican, but yea'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, the only redeeming part of the GOP is Rand Paul and Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, kind of :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'There are some good people, they are just underlings, and they do not have enough power to influence shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone needs to get together and take those two parties back, and fight for a smaller federal government, and a return of power to the states. that's the only thing -i- can see that will save the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like whom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, i can get the names if you want, i watch real time with bill maher, and he gets some good ones in there'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying i don't believe you, just would like to know who it is :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill maher, meh, bit of a snake, comes out with some truths, and some complete shite'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i agree with you tho, states need more power to run shit how they want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Meh, i like bill, he is good stuff, most the time he knows what is talking about'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but nobody will ever agree with anyone 100%, if they are a free thinker atleast'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, anyone from Indiana? Health insurance premiums going up by an average 72% next year. Woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there is for sure shit i disagree with him on, like guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing people need to learn to do is band together where they agree, despite differing on other things'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yes, for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'would love to stay and talk, but i got some shit to do, catch you later man'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, me too, garden to water'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dafuq are you watering your garden for late at night?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point watering in the day, sun will scorch the leaves and evaporate the wter'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite dark yet, dusk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my garden, either :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and bill maher is ok. i like his panels more than i like him'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i can afford a garden lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, there are worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like chris matthews, piers morgan'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to have political sex with S.C. Cupp'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea who that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. what do you think about the new issue of Rolling Stones?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'That pretty much covers the topics this evening.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are reporting that the surviving Boston bomber suspect in his court appearance not only has changed his appearance, but also significantly changed his accent'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange what prison can do to you....'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, this is almost unheard of for this part of Texas....10 days of rain in a row.....and it is expected to last at least another 3 days.  Thiss is more like southern Florida and not SE texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it a soaking rain, or just a quick spurt like someone turned the hose on you for a sec?'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We only get soaking rains in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it rains hard for like 10min, then it stops for a few hours, and then a new thunderstorm rolls in and it does it again....for 10 days now....50% or higher chance of rain each day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my backyard is filled with mushrooms though....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so, have they banned guns over there yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston, Tranquility base here.  The Eagle has landed.....too bad it will never land there again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'story outlining the privacy issues surrounding obamacare: http://rare.us/story/move-over-nsa-here-comes-the-obamacare-big-brother-database/'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but this had me pissing myself laughing: http://rare.us/story/watch-prius-driving-woman-goes-mental-over-diesel-truck-in-parking-lot/'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hardly an objective source, but more or less accurate.  If you are going to have an entitlement program as large and far reaching as The Affordable Care Act, you have to have an equally large and robust "police function" to counter the inevitable fraud and graff that will follow in its wake.  Of course, that DOES beg the question - why bother?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cared about the planet, you'd not have bought a prius, and you'd go on a fucking diet'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, vl, it doesn't work on a large scale, it doesn't work in the UK, it won't work in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lady comes out cussing, and then has the nerve to tell sheryl "you beter stop your assault"'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US military essencially has "obama care"....'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it is an extremely closed system where the subjects are largly healthy, and can be herded and commanded.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and ordered to be healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right up until they leave the service, then they can go fuck themselves, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"You WILL be healthy!  Do you understand me MAGGOT?!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the problems with the UK's NHS system are to do with the level of beurocracy needed to centrally manage a healthcare system for an entire country'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'post-service healthcare isn't too bad ATM.  Pretty dang good, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the experience of many, people on here included'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but eventually, as the DOD looks for new and creative ways to cut cost, post-service healthcare will get overrun by obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare won't last'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll get ditched some time between 2014 and 2016'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then where will we be?  the systems and programs that are in place NOW to make sure people don't die on the street will have been disoved or obsorbed by the machine... post-obama care USA will be a pretty scary place while those systems are re-invented'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breakfast'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'medicare and medicaid are being removed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our health service has gone under multiple re-organisations, trust me, it won't cripple anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the absolutely best thing that can happen is that the federal government pissed off and gets out of providing or regulating the provision of healthcare with the exclusion of collecting and disseminating the funds for the welfare element of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguable if even this is needed'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/it_on_y22owkLpsldSAjDVC9isjM'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pastor Manning is my favourite crazy black person of all time'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why does he gotta be crazy just because he is black TN? /sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've never studied logic, I take it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American footballer arrested/charged with barking at a police dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly a wtf news day'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the price of west texas intermediate sweet crude oil has passed brent sea crude oil price for the first time in 3 years, the glut of oil in the middle of the US is over.  Expect higher gasoline prices in the US to get even higher.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'current price of WTI crude is $108 and rising as demand increases in the US and Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'means corn chips will be expensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, corn chips...with lots of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with higher oil prices, Toyota shall likely be attempting to sell more of those hybid deathtraps on wheels'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn chips are good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the amount saved on gas with a hybrid is not worth the risk of death in those lemons'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy a cheaper car and buy more corn chips.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but wait, the cheap non-hybrids are also lemons'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if the American cars came with prepaid funeral expenses'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go buy a yugo if you prefer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pride and joy of yugoslavia....the perfect car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the Yugo more reliable than an American car'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 5% as reliable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'american cars are more reliable compared to german, and the parts cost much less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and some american brands are better than japanese.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wasnt always that way though....american car makers have become much more reliable in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fritos make a damn good corn chip....like the dipper ones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by comparison, since Japanese cars went worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car computers are crap  '
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely no competition and plenty of patents'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'patented crap'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about we raise the capital gains tax to 40%, and reduce the top rate of the income tax to 15%.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no capital gains tax raise for you! 1 year'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest petition to grant obama immunity for all crimes he commits while in office gains tractions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OHk3c2L6Rck'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'americans love the royal family so much, please come and take them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think our media's just been paid off to ignore snowden since the smear campaign hasn't worked'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence all the zimmerman stuff'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice the aclu has scrapped their anti-zimmerman stance'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, UK to force ISP's to block porn by default in a move called "Our PM is dumber than a box of rocks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'How would that even work?'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'badly'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It'd be impossible to block all of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they'd have to appoint a porn tsar'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very good, vost'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'does UK still have online gambling?  We apparently lost that a couple years ago, because freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'is slavery'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want this, apparently to protect children from porn. SOme woman on the news comments said she was glad it would stop her kids accessing porn, i pointed out that it was her job as a parent to chaperone/monitor her kids activity online rather than abdicate her responsibility through stupidity or laziness and instead take a great big turn on the freedoms of everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are modern parents thick as shit and lazy as fuck?'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps there is something to mass sterilisation'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, prepared 3 lbs of pepper beef jerky and 3 lbs of teriyaki jerky to put in the dehydrator.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'What is the appeal of MUDs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the same as the appeal of other games or passtimes, they structure time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which also happens to be the reason why people smoke :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Interesting. I smoke, and giving me something to look forward to every 1.5 hours is definitely part of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it also gives you something to do with your hands :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'But there are so many ways to structure time, I wonder what it is that keeps drawing me back here. I think it's the desire to have a shared social experience.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'A 'world' that other people inhabit, that I also inhabit. That isn't, quite as a complicated as the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, I don't think you've been here long enough to make that assessment :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Somehow the fact that other people play the game seems to validate its existence. On the other hand, I'd probably enjoy it more if I played with a "real life" friend.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Well, yeah. Being a supernewb becomes impossible if you're actively playing with other people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'But it gives me time to explore, and gives me a sense that time doesn't mater, it's not a race.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I guess competition isn't one of the reasons MUDs appeal to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mud biggest appeal is that, for each player, it is personal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I enjoy things like this, Random people debating random shit, And when i want to, i can chime in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'It still seems strange to me. I mean, the whole social immersion in "realities" that are divorced from physical, practical life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Once upon a time most people lived in a village or within a tribe where they knew everybody by name, appearance, voice, and even touch. Abstractions like this might have been almost inconceivable to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'And now it seems natural to interact with someone online and only online, with a physical distance of hundreds (or thousands) of miles.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I guess none of this is exactly new or eye-opening, but tonight it strikes me as peculiar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I made friends years ago in a mud that i still talk with on facebook etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Yeah, that's good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I can understand why older people find it counterintuitive, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'How people can impart visceral meaning to text on a screen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is anchorage alaska or fiji , pacific ocean, further from tulsa, oklahoma?'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arkansas has joined 8 other states in bringing in a saliva-test for alcohol and drugs in a "quickly, we need to victimise the public to make more money before we go bankrupt" move'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts is censored on the BBC for calling the newly born baby prince "a parasite, like the rest of the royal family"'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and new research firmly links recent decades climate change to levels of CFC's in the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the administration is tripping over itself to try and fight Justin Amash's ammendment to kill funding for the NSA's overreaching snooping program'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'NSA total budget is up to 60 billion this year?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..soon you can balance the budget just by cancelling the NSA..'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NSA in neccessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it ain't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's duties can be amply split between the fbi and military intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so then their budget could also be split between the two?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if needbe'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that woudl cost alot ot re-organize'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, would cut a lot of the unconstitutional bullshit out, besides which much of the infrastructure already exists within the fbi and military intelligence, so you'd be making efficiency savings'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'typically, the FBI doesn't get as "dirty" as the NSA, and the Military can't operate on US soil'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you split between the two'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone has to get dirty'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a dirty world'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mean, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you trying to tell me neither the fbi nor military intelligence gets dirty?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not as dirty as the NSA... the NSA gets dirty so we don't have to'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they don't...they're the good guys'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spare the bullshit, VL :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you point that the NSA duties could be split between other US services is well take, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the nsa are mafia'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need oversight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the NSA doesn't do much, they use the other organizations for operations'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not so nieve to believe that there isn't a whole bunch of dirty being done.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should probably put a stop to that, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. we're all in agreement, and it's decided... who do I call to turn off the NSA?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the president'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got hos number?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google it'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.... I'd leave the military out of the responsibility split.  They have to stay "cleaner" than the rest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'split it between HLS, CIA and FBI'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we'll be disbanding HLS too'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and CIA'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, the military would continure it's intelligence gathering as normal...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but most of what the military does no is outsources and contracted anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I've read that the NSA microcode can be disabled in BIOS'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Shame.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could try and find some clean bios to flash with, but then you have backdoors in the actual os to deal with'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'there's still linux'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flak: 'debates smell'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flak: 'peace'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hmm..I mixed things up..DHS budget is 55 and NSA budget is classified'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just love disaster films.....Sharknado!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Obama really give a 1hr 6min speech blaming the GOP for all of his scandals and declaring race war?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how people like him think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i only read part of the transcript, but it certainly looks like thats what he did'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What?!!?  How dare you insult our glorious leader!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only is he like trayvon martin, but he's about as well qualified to run a nation as trayvon martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously racist against Trayvon and Barack'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am racist against all incompetants and thugs.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Prez Carter was an incompetant also, but at least he accepted his mistakes and moved on....he didnt blame others for his mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman acted like a "thug" - mugged and killed Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not even worth arguing about it....he was attacked by martin, and he defended himself by shooting the bastard....lucky shot into the heart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so your saying trayvon deserved to be shot riz?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a very racist opinion there, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suppose zimmerman could have pulled out a taser and tazed him, then martin could have said...dont taze me bro!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except he didnt have a tazer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Martin instigated the physical portion of the confrontation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what hans? no fucking way'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....zimmerman shouldnt have walked up to martin and argue with him, but martin had no right to attack zimmerman...it is called assault and battery, or aggrevated assault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'zimmerman should havel istened to the 911 operator and left him alone, left it to the police'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he had no reason to be stalk him, and approach him, and probably start shit, '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '911 operator is not a lawful entity, they can only read from a paper...they tell everyone the same thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'zimmerman was doing his job, except he got too close which was stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's the proper answer, Blonk. The only witness to Martin starting the fight was a man who has serious motive to lie, and was clearly looking for a fight when he outright refused to obey a legal command to cease and desist from the operator.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but, since he got shot, we shouldn't have listened to the police?  They DID say it was a textbook case, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o so zimmerman was getting payed ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'to walk aroudn with a gun harassing people?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Riz, under Sandford Police "Neighborhood Watch" guidelines, Zimmerman was not to approach at all. He was to call, provide a description, and not attempt to stop the individual until police arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the police thought it was self defense, and the evidence proved it....the only reason it went to trial was because of political pressure from a certain liberal govt entity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, the evidence only proved that there was reasonable doubt. Not that he was innocent, only that they couldn't prove he was guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's a huge distinction between the two.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it still does not give martin the right to assault zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yea, i gotta say you are wrong riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were those white racist police'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he had no legal command to cease and decist'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's absolutely no reliable evidence suggesting Martin started the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not a single piece.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they were not racist, Zade.  That black man was already dead when they arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Zimmerman had no right to stalk trayvon, follow him, approach him, and then fucking shoot him, it was instigated by zimmerman, hands down'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor was there any shred of evidence pointing to martin NOT starting the fight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which means anyone who says either with certainty is letting their opinion masquerade as fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, there are no rules against following someone and watching them, or even talking to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, there was plenty of evidence to show that martin was beating up zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which only means Zimmerman can't fight worth shit :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'including 3 eyewitnesses'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing illegal about not being able to fight worth shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And the question is who started it, not who was winning it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'maybe it was all planned'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the guidelines of his neighborhood watch actually say not to approach, as cuthbert already said'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so.... you are wrong again. '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'guidelines are law?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I mean there are no legal rules or laws against following someone.....neighborhood watch is not enforceable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman likely with the intent to kill when a physical confrontation started, accosted and assaulted Trayvon, provoking a physical confrontation'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'neighborhood watch guidelines have nothing whatsoever to do with anything...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'premediated first degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Personally, I believe Zimmerman started it based on past accounts of his co-workers stating he had anger issues, racial prejudices, poor self-control and his conversation with the 911 operator as well as the inconsistencies in his statement he gave to Police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wasnt talking law mathoran, rizgoth said rules, i was respondign to that'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can't prove it, so I won't say it's fact, only what I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'rules are there for a reason, to prevent what happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not rules'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'zimmerman refused to follow guidelines he was given by the watch program, and a 911 operator. And just common sense, '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is why he risked his life to help someone out of an upside down car last week, cause he has anger issues and problems with people.....suuuuure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What does helping someone out of a car prove regarding anger issues?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And did I say he had a problem with people? No? So why are you bringing that up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that does not relate at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what would he be angry about, other than being accosted by some guy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he obviously has pride issues, can't take a beating without pulling a gun like a little bitch'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman (disregarded external advice as he) likely intended to do a racist killing of a nonwhite in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If it had happened in Texas, zimmerman would have been given a parade.......'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zimmerman was a nonwhite...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He clearly stated in the 911 call that he was "Tired of these punks", was agitated with the operator and proceeded to ignore her instructions to back down.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'After that it becomes speculation, but those aren't the actions of a well-controlled person.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone trying to smash my head into the sidewalk will be met with deadly force as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But the legality of that deadly force rests on whether you started the fight or not, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'he was insane in the membrane'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, regardless of the reason that started it....blow the bastard away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman may yet be prosecuted for racism (if there are Federal Laws permitting a separate prosecution)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If Martin started the fight, Zimmerman was in the right; as I said though, I don't believe Martin did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter who started the fight, but the evidence presented doesn't agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The only evidence presented regarded who was winning the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'martin denied zimmerman his civil rights.......should sue the family.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There wasn't a shred of evidence regarding who started it, that's why Zimmerman walked; not that the evidence showed him innocent, only that it couldn't show him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Zimmerman started the verbal confrontation with the premeditated intent to kill when the confriontaion went physical, that is premeditated murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Why does it not matter who started it? If I pull a gun on you and start shooting, and then you start shooting me back, can I then claim self-defense if I kill you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Although I understand there is no proof as to who started it'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Turn trayvon into a girl, would it be ok for zimmerman to stalk her like that? And approach her?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Just in general, I don't see how it can't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because you can't claim self-defense in a fight you started, Mat. If Zimmerman pulled his gun and accosted Martin first, then he can't cry self-defense when Martin fights back.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reverse the race roles'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Cuthbert, that's what I was saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I was agreeing with you =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no race roles, there's just minority and minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't matter who started it, because starting a fight doesn't change what you can and cannot do'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh, haha, thought you were questioning the relevance. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure it does, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, turn zimmerman into a white man, and trayvon into a blonde haired blue eyed girl. now where does everyone stand? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'erm, i said that wrong, ment zimmerman into a black man'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can't pick a fight with you, throw the first punch, lose the fight, then claim self-defense when I kill you for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if AfroAmericans accosted jews wearing skullcaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes you could, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not very successfully.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if, after losing the fight, I don't stop'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, quite successfully'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'd like to see someone make that attempt, Abe, I would. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'apparantly you are right abelinc, it just happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not "win the fight" or "lose the fight", it's "believe that you are in real danger"'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it happens all the time, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Got an example?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it doesn't change things in a particular setting.  It does change things if you change the venue.  Were stand-your-ground not apply, you couldn't legally shoot your attacker and in some cases will be charged for doing so even if it were self-defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing to do with stand your ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so trayvon coulda pulled out a gun and just blasted zimmerman right there? because he felt he was in danger? A known asshole is stalking him with a gunned. seems like a reasonable threat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'If you are shooting at me, I believe I am in real danger. But what if I shot first? Still sounds like murder to me if I kill you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wow, the power of the typo compels me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Zimmerman was already getting his ass kicked when he pulled out the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"there's a scary man, I feel in danger" is not a legal thing..."someone is bashing my skull in and he doesn't seem like he's going to stop before I'm dead" is...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except in the trial of martin, zimmermans past of being an asshole would be inadmisable, and martin would go to the chair.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so according to Abelinc, a mugger may kill a victim if the robbing goes wrong and the mugger believes that he is in physical danger sand kills the intended robbery vivtim in self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a mugger didn't instigate the violence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'the person who pulls the trigger first. set a flag on himself as the murderer. so if the other guy shoots back. its considered self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what zade is claiming, blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah Abe, sorry man, until you can show me a few concrete examples of attackers successfully claiming self-defense in a fight they started, I'm gonna have a hard time buying that argument.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mugging is a violent act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure...they're still guilty of the mugging itself, but that's not the same as the murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, try to rob me when i am carrying and we shall see what happens. and where i am from, i will go free.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'happens all the time, especially in domestics'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like those 2 guys in Texas that tried to carjack a guy in his 60s....the guy pulled out a gun and blew them away....no charges.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's also why you cannot just go up to your abuser and shoot him in the leg to avoid your next bitchslap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing wrong with the law is the uneven way it's being applied - such as that black lady who shot (deliberately to miss) at her abusive husband that was threatening her, and was put in the clink for 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was just a case about that in the news a week or two ago iirc'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was already committing a race crime when assaulting the nonwhite in a hoodie -- the killing by Zimmerman converts that to murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Remember where, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're presuming he assaulted him'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, he was arguing with a guy who was a stranger in a neighborhood that has had problems with burglaries in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was in Florida, I think, Cuth.  It was something that got eclipsed by the zimmerman trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'marissa alexander and cece mcdonald'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even consider trying to argue this case with Zade, he has no grasp of the reality of the situation, has not looked at the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think the system worked'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'are two woman a bunch of bullshit happened to becasue they are black'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there was doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marissa Alexander was the example i was thinking of earlier, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea thats what made me look it up again on my facebook'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That I can agree with El. It was the only verdict they could reach given the lack of evidence, but I still, personally, believe Zimmerman just got away with murder. More circumstantial evidence to support that than Martin deciding to assault Zimmerman with no provocation, packing nothing but a pack of skittles and some pop.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the skittles and pop are kinda irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unfortunately we'll never know.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they are also irrelevent in the example cuthberrt just gave, he was adding flavor by saying they are not much of a weapon'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the skittles and pop are indicative of the mind games that have been played, along with MSNBC's selective editing for Zimmerman's phone call to 911'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Zimmerman certainly isn't going to back down on his story that Martin sprang from bushes which didn't exist, to suckerpunch him while he was innocently defending his neighborhood from "those punks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Yeah that would be totally out of character for Martin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wasn't with no provocation [in his mind]...martin confronted him because zimmerman was following him'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i would go ahead and say stalking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can be gleened from the fact that the feds pushed for murder when any cloth-eared lawyer could have seen it wouldn't stick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not by any legal definition of the term'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If that's true Abe, wouldn't that fall under the same self-defense laws you just stated? Reasonable concern for one's safety? Again, the bushes didn't exist so it's a moot point, but still.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't what fall under the same self-defense laws?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'use "debate -h scary" to see that no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only mistake zimmerman made was confronting the guy, when he should have just followed him in his car until the police arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And that mistake led to the death of Martin. I hope it haunts Zimmerman for the rest of his life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably will'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'poor martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Personally, if I'd been the prosecuter I'd have gone for Manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor obama....martin was his 'son''
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I wonder if those bushes had legs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is racist against afroamericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should listen to some of the advocates from the Black Panther party, Zade, they tell a different story'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's also racist against latinos, who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I was the prosecutor I would have listened to the police and not charged zimmerman with anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto me, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a bank in Athens County (Georgia, I presume) sends agents out to confiscate the property of a house forclosure.... they get the wrong house and clean a woman out... sell all her stuff or toss it.  Apparently, the police won't investigate, and the bank won't pay. '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.10tvtogo.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=40&nid=3355439430&cid=21017&scid=-1&ith=4&title=Local News&headtitle=Local News'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'political suicide, they had to charge even if there's no way on earth that it could ever satisfy the US requirement for conviction'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's terrible, vl, and a common story'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the woman should have been armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did that twice, didn't they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple times, han'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard of banks foreclosing on houses that have no mortgage on them'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was a 20/20 or nightline or something story on these forclosure issues  awhile back'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bank of America foreclosed on some couple a few years back, which was hilarious because BoA didn't own the mortgage. When the couple sued and won, BoA refused to pay them. They ended up foreclosing on the bank after getting law enforcement involved.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and on houses whose mortgages have been entirely paid off'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rizgoth: The first prosecutor DIDN'T try the case... and the first police chief didn't arrest... they had to fire them, get new ones, THEN prosecute'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'just try at take my stuff out my house and I'll blow your brains out'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bailiffs should be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the house thing... I gather that the woman was not around... those repo teams tend to time things so you're not around.  I'm sure she will have a hay-day in court with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'demo teams, as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the foreclosures racially motivated'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't be allowed to enter properties when the person isn't there without the police anda  warrant'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Am I late to the "ignore Zade" bandwagon?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, mathoran'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the foreclosures ethnicaly motivated'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i identify myself as black, zade, so take offence at your petty attempts at dividing people along racial grounds'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wearing shoe-polish does not convert you to a black'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no apologies to Al Jolson'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to me and any brothers on here tonight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth reins his horse next to Tigernuts and salutes him with his lance.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, your racist position against Trayvon and Barack, indicates you are offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true cracker'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'judge a man by the content of his heart, not the color of his skin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'cracker ass cracker'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm ritz cracker with smoked tilapia'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guvmint screwed up the blacks, they're now screwing up the rest'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you are attempting to say that your heart is cold-hearted black -- not the same syuonyms of "black" there'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money can't buy happiness, but it can buy goats.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing cold about me'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'the blacks are yelling racisim. white people are yelling reverse-racisim. chinese people are yelling sideways racisim'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, obamacare could be in jeopardy, and there is an ammendment going through that will defund any elements of the NSA that breach the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does that mean I have to take down the cameras I use to spy on my neighbors ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're spying on them on their property'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will have to pry that camera from my cold dead fingers!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have game cameras on each corner of the property.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of cameras in the UK - harder for Tigernuts to commit crimes there'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are 8 corners....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there are camera's all over the place man! they watch us. the goverment. its all lies! their getting prepared to give us to the Aliens, run man, run, remember your foil hats!!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been harvesting aliens for years......whales man!  The whale race comes to Earth for vacation, and we eat them!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cameras we have are bad, but at least we know about them - yours are secret'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I didn't know you can eat whale'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted to be green, you'd eat babies'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked whale is good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked anything is good actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'arn't they protected animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska natives can harvest them each year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and so do the japanese and icelanders.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hollister points at everyone and screams, "LIES! LIIIIIIIIIIIIES!"
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the japanese are depraved liars in that regard'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I don't belive you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to buy the UK for 2 cents per acre.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I mean whale? how the hell do you kill that thing anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with big spears'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'man. I wanna taste some whale'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except the icelanders, they corral the whales to a shallow bay, and to the beach...then hack them to death with machetes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I know shark tastes good. but very salty'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy the UK, but you'll only get the title, not the land, and it'll cost you $15,000 an acre for agricultural land, and $500,000 an acre for building land, provided you're not buying in the south east'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then they spend the next few days drying and smoking dozens of whale.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the water turns red with all the whale blood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'my mouth is watering'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, 2 cents an acre is all I will pay....UK has to accept it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am condemning the islands in the name of emminent domain of the donkey kingdom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in alaska we perfected the outhouse.....grills, tvs, satellite dish, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'head to Afognak island near kodiak....lots of wildlife, including deer and bears....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detroit retired workers are set to have their pension pots raided in the bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I caught a 280 lb halibut near whale island by kodiak island.....took 3 hours to bring it in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big halibuts suck....I prefer the smaller ones, ie around 40 lbs...they taste better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont worry, sean hannity loves you all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sean hannity sucks'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, tasty deer...the perfect prey.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deer sucks, keep raiding my garden'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where is my obama money?  We elected him so that he would give us money!  Where is my obama money ??!!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you prefer the Don King "fights"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does mike tyson have to do with it ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but I suppose after paperwork, the runaround, and the appeals process, Obama had to use that money to fix Holyfield's ear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '...hmm, guess that explains why 3d printing got so hot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'secret government research my, err, ear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can grow human ears on pigs now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what for?  We can print them now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only reason we don't is because of the tangential ethical issues related to cloning and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough obama money ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to save Detroit, a few motivated clones would be ethical enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  Once the federal government decides on something, it's pretty hard to stop it from happening.  See: Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obamacare is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to prevent people from seeing the real problem....HAARP in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt just turned the HAARP base into an area51 like base.  It disappeared...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who needs harb when you have the IRS'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr harp'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Rizgoth, you must be trolling, because otherwise you have ZERO idea what you are talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'trolling is allowed in debate'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'even encouraged'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'This is true.  Which is why I am assuming that is what he is doing :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you were trolling to telling him his trolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't look for serious meaning in a game.  You'll be like a eunuch in a whorehouse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sometimes trolls feed eachother'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege trawls the depths of the debate chanel
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Kilfer, your making your bacon all wrong, it shouldnt be super greasy, Low heat for a long time makes it perfect'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'low heat, short time is best... just so the fatty parts start to be see-thru'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'was coleridge the only succesful author who was loaded  up on opiates?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone in the administration is trying to set up patriot leaders, first they tried to frame Luke Rudkowski by sending him child porn, now someone has tried to do the same thing to Stewart Rhodes and Dan Johnson'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some hacker using a tormail account, threats have been given in advance'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't believe someone from the usual anti-establishment hacker groups would want to attack people who are essentially on their side, so you'd have to deduce it is someone from, under the employ of, or at least sympathetic to the establishment cause'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont know either of them, so trying to read up on their past a little bit so i can chime in :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but yea, anyone trying to set up anyone for something they did not do is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'details here: http://wearechange.org/'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont care if i hate the person or not, only nail them to the wall if they actually did something Wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'you know what they should do to find out what happens when you enter a black hole? they should recruit people who want to commit suicide and send them in one'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'misdirection and subterfuge...  Time honored paths to victory'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'impossible, but yea, great idea :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a white family who recently got into a car wreck got death threats.  What did they do wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mowed over a schoolbus full of african american nuns in the proccess?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they filed a complaint against the police officers who arrived at the scene because they were being assholes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they were saved by George Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably was CIA/NSA reactiving against Oathkeepers advert campaign to encourage whistleblowers to expose violations of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my guess, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The people zimmerman helped are being threatened? Simply for being helped? or is there more to it than tat'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was an even simpler case than Trayvon's.  He helped them to safety.  They wanted to hold a press conference to thank him for it, but they canceled it because of death threats.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '? They couldn't send a card and some cupcakes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, i don't think it needed a press conference, i also do not think they needed to get threatened'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me, HAns, and I was reading about reversal case where a black guy approached 3 white youths robbing cars on his street, they set upon him, he shot them, was acquitted'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not a good advert for Prius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqe6S6m73Zw&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Peanut's "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm gay!!!!!!!!!" wasn't a good advert?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i want my next car to have minimal or no ECUs'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want it to have no ECU control of vehicle controls, and i want it capable of running if any/all of the ECU's are out of action'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia are pretty annoyed at a NATO wargame about to take place simulating a Russian attack on Poland'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they part of NATO now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they doing they also Katyin forest simulation'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate Uh, yo don't get mad at me -  I don't love 'em I fuck 'em - I don't chase 'em I duck 'em - I replace 'em with another one - You had to see she keep calling me BIG - And my name is Jay-Z - She be all on my dick - Gradually I'm taking over your bitch - Coming over your shit - Got my feet up on you sofa, man - I mean a hostess for my open hand - You coming home to beer shifts and there be soda cans - I got your bitch in my Rover man - I never kiss her, I never hold her hand - In fact I diss her I'm a bolder man - I'mma pimp her, it's over man - It's over man, it's over man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Wonderful lyrics from rapper Jay-Z.  Frequent guest at the Whitehouse, a universal role model for America's African American Youth.  Hats off too ya, Jay-Z!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jay-z is a illuminati-obsessed NWO stooge'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is owned by the record companies'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how can a ho have two pimps?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only politics I ever saw him get excited about is more free chicken for poor people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his bitch barack, and his record label'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just said he was owned by the record companies.  And we all know he's married to Beyonce.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'barack and the record label are steered by the same people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where do you cross the line between "free speach", and "destructive sedition?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you defining destructive sedition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speech that encourages a demoraphic to engage in self-destructive social behavior'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you calling rap/hip-hop destructive sedition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ain't what sedition is, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or glorifying violence... talk about violence, sure... but to Glorify it is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... sedition isn't the right word'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically most governments, especially in the last 12 years are guilty of sedition in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but largely since 1913'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not wrong.  It inspires young black men to do really dumb things like mouth off at some middle-aged, overweight, burrito-farting loser.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than rebel against authoirty... Jay-Z encourages people to rebel against their own people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jay-Z farts with his mouth'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay-Z, and people like him killed T.Martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay-Z and people like him influenced T.Martin to become who he was - and it got his ass capped'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really, Trayvon killed Martin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a hispanic jew killed Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely pre-planned and premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'O'Reily has really been riding black culture the last couple days.  He's a self-serving blow hole, but he's making some really solid points'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ate if you are saying that Zimmewrman was hunting those that listened to Jay-Z'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you need to watch him more.  He's been all over black culture ever since blacks started getting offended by their own music.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a deliberately orchestrated move in the upper echelons of MTV in the late 80s to ditch rock and push rap/trash'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was part of a plan from above to further debase the back community'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the black community is doing a banger of a job debaing themselves without MTV... but your point is taken'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, and NBC got rid of Golden Girls.  Part of their plan to promote ageism'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the black community a long time ago were upstanding and hard working'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that bigot O'Reilly is likely attempting to appeal to republican white trash'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been debased by the media, by welfare, by the left generally'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and themselves'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Golden Girls were gotten rid of because the high-ups there liked what they saw in bubble-gum pop stars like Brittany Spears.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Betty White is yet on tv - Hot and Rancid in Cinncinati'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did she already lose her Old Folks Behaving Badly show?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of aging middle white and fat trash featured on tv these days'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ed O'Neil looks ghastly compared to when he was on "Married with Children"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even Christina Applegate is no spring chicken anymore'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those actors and actresses are getting old'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you being ageist, Zade? got bored with being racist and anti-semetic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you're the channel racist, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd best illustrate with an example for all to judge, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you probably called someone a troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good one :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you notice that no example was ever forthcoming :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you shall likely provide the fresh examples again later'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope not, i intend to be in bed asleep'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Is it just me, or is it fucking stupid that you cant hunt campaign targets?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's mostly you I wager'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I feel like it forces me to use a website to get the walkthrough'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'help hunt trick'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'or you could explore'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yea, but in big zones it could take you a loong time to find a single target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So, spend 30 minutes looking for one person, or 30 minutes on a full campaign'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and how would it help you if you could hunt your target then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Probably the fact that i wouldnt ahve to search every single room, i could get general directions and go off that'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if hunt trick doesn't help you, I think being able to hunt your target would make it worse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Unless you have a terrible memory, it's not really a problem after you get familiar with each area'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the hunt-trick in a CP, finding a "troll guard" in Anthrox is likely going to require hunting and killing a long list of troll guards'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'troll guards are easy to find :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just experience knowing which guards are at which levels'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Anthrox population is mostly segregated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but blonk, not being able to hunt your target makes it so that you can get your target much more quickly than you would be able to if you were able to hunt them'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i guess the example i would use is in new thgalos, the spotted lion, it would have taken me a long time to find this cage with any hunt trick or whatever, i would have needed to just search, and it was behind two locked doors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wouldn't need to use the hunt trick for spotted lion, you'd just use "where"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'which said Cell'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, so then you just go to the cell'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the point of campaigns is to learn the areas, not to just get free QPs'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can get to that room from above or below :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'lol, right because i know where every room is that has that name, i load the map, and look it up, and boom, done, it would be more fun to be able to hunt my target, run into locekd doors, have to find the key etc,'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be more fun, you just wouldn't bother to ever learn anything or use your brain'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you could hunt cp targets, there would be nothing but mailing the result in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'using the website is what does that, makes me not have to do anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you do enough cps, you won't even need the map.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'because i get all the answers right there, and my only other option would be to spend 30 minutes on 1 target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you learn by looking at a map. you don't learn by autohunting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and no, your other option is not to spend 30 minutes on one target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you spend 30 minutes on one target now, 1 year from now you will spend 10 seconds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Blonk, you don't know it yet, but soon you'll realize that it's a gift not being able to hunt your target.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the hunt-trick, be certain that some builders are going to (try to) build areas with umpteen wandering tough mobs of the same name and description with different vnums in widely separated rooms of the same name, requiring the CPer to kill umpteen mobs to find the cp target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in areas like FT2 and Maelstrom, the hunt trick is essential.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's not unusual to have 20.prince or 42.oyster as a cp mob :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what do people think about all the newbies sleeping on our streets? i think its disgusting. give them a hostel'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they doze off almost in the centre of Aylor. what?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let them use your manor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'waking them up now...'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people who clean streets are idiots'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege digs in his tackle box for some different bait.
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'well.. it didn't beat the hedge cutter's a few months ago. they started at 4:00. and did the most annoying sound ever......... shiiiiiit. the cleaning thing comes for the 3rd time!!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they should clean out the hood every morning and give 'em all little play sciscors to clip the hedges'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the plasticish ones with the blunt tips so they don't shank each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they could give 'em all straw brooms on street sweeping day'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a "green" solution - no diesel fumes, and no noise pollution, so the libs should go for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '5:25. they have no shame'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personally, I like to have all my work for the day done before 0800... otherwise it gets too hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then I can spend the rest of the day on inside, climate controled persuits'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and heirloom sausage casing'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. all done before 8:00. if we had another century, that would have been it's motto'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Spin ice rulz!'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'will it be a good or bad idea for me to mix milk and chlorine inside a milk bottle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think they mix all that well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i hear the fallout or gas released burns your lungs'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'chlorine vapors in general will do that... might be something in the milk that acts as a catalyst'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY02nT6SgxU'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like fun... simple ingredients - BOOM'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder if chlorine bleach would work, or if you need pool grade chlorine'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whole milk or skim?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Making explosives from a cancer inducing gas, sounds like something from darwin awards.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention that it's probably illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it works, which I doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fayboy Governor Christie is warning of the rising strand of libertarianism, calling Rand Paul 'dangerous'. I'm extremely happy that they're making inroads sufficient to threaten the establishment GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'student happily sign petition to legalise post-birth abortions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8--9R0I2Q&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'students*'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'crazy students'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari whistles appreciatively.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just students, look at any of the Mark Dice videos, loads of dumarses sign stuff like this, mostly obama supporters'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'blind supporters?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes for most of them, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we got our share, only difference is on our side it is because of lack of education.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that you need a DHS license for live music now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and did you know that DHS planned to shoot Occupy protest leaders with silenced sniper rifles?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'first one seems rather unreasonable. Second, i got a lack of info.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, here's a source for you, including copy of the FBI docs: http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'says page does not exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sources for the other: http://iamnotanonymousblog.com/?p=216 , http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089 , summary here https://tinyurl.com/mt2395a'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try this instead then: https://tinyurl.com/pe54png'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'post-birth abortions? wow'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'got it, wow!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'makes sense to me :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's be fair, abe, he's playing on stupidity, so it's as much a competency fail as a ethical one'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're only college kids, how are they supposed to know what a trimester is, and how can you expect them to count up to 4?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at work so haven't looked at the vid'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't compare competency and ethics, apples and oranges :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'post birth abortions, a.k.a murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of it now, Jopari?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a man who uses unetnical means to achieve something may be competant in doing that particular thing itself, getting their way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, murder is too broad, it could be euthanasia :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of commentators claim that the sniper thing is indicative of a purge going on in police forces where they are trying to get rid of good cops that stand by their oath, and replace them with thugs that won't question orders, a militarisation of the force, so to speak'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'same thing really, just euthanasia is for people with terminal illness, and euthanasia is already allowed'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'our cops won't get off their butts to do anything anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they think of profit, not duty, nor discipline'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a job, not an appointment from the king, Jopari.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'would you like a man who doesn't do a job that they themselves took an oath to do?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police, military, firefighters, and doctors are not ordinary jobs, they all involve oaths'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important that they keep those oaths and that people respect them for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oaths are human constructs so, in the grand scheme of the universe, they are worthless :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell, if a teacher chose not to teach, what would happen then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is happening now, obviously. There is no practical difference between refusing to teach not being able to teach :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what is the grand scheme of the universe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: ''oaths are the measure of the person who gives them'- The Night Angel Trilogy'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe if the teachers stopped teaching, the children would have time to learn something'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are what we choose them to be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know what the scheme is, but I doubt that whatever it is, is bound by human oaths :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers probably need to start teaching'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead of peddling propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As a teacher, man. That's bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When was the last time you were actually in a classroom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '5 hours ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or do you just go by 3rd, or 4th hand experience on what teachers are actually teaching?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what about the Anthropic principle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming you are a teacher, and a good  one at that, other teachers are not bound by your behavior.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have rather too much classroom experience, for me it was largely an impediment to learning.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That has more to do with the system than with the teachers, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They are bound by the same curriculum though, Anar. And while I can't speak for teachers in other countries, I can say that the Canadian curriculum doesn't 'peddle propaganda''
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there is no grand scheme in the universe, 'there is no meaning to life, just what we give it meaning as.''
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The problem with teachers, is to many of them are jaded, and have tenure, so they can't get replaced. Or that is what i have experienced'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the teachers are a product of the system'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i found the system constraining too, tinada, though i've seen the syllabus these days and it's pretty propaganda-heavy'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see malaysian history textbooks, slander and skewed vision'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, trying to homogenize the student population is the greatest cause of the system failure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i have not had a happy time with my national curriculum history textbooks'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, it so far seems a better news day than most'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Homogenizing the students is part of the goal, so..'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governor christie slamming Rand Paul is the best kind of coverage to get'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome news'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where parents are supposed to come in, Tinada, unhomogenising them, and unwinding the propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I'd gripe at my history text, but then i got history tommorow so, heh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what history are they teaching these days?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'depends where you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what history are they teaching -you-?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'here i am taught that the Chinese are the source of all the nations problems, and that Malaysia is Malay land, we are secondary residents. etc, etc, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the biggest problem with history curricula, they are used for propaganda in all countries.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'while through all the other texts i read for broader perspective tell me that it is the malay who sell out our country from under us'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder if they book writers actually believe the crap they put in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the book writers*'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another 'unhelpful' youngster randomly drops dead? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23467411'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they have come out and told us to go back to China after all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as if we have any roots there anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take the  US  Civil War. Granted that Lincoln might have had ethical reasons to free the slaves, but most history books fail to mention that the drive to free the slaves was based on the fact that non-slave states thought that they gave the south unfair advantage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, it was all about money :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slavery continued in europe much later than in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now slavery has made a comeback'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, slavery has been a fact of life since humans left the treetops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yep, and it is right under our noses and many people have no idea what is g oing on'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's call indentured labor :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'chaching is what drives my leaders, not any drive to better the country'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see if any of you can find out what killed him'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buildings fall before they are built, huge amount of resources but we are somehow always further in the red'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Barnaby Jack'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari frowns sadly, looks around and goes 'meh..'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see ya all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i am going to guess a lethal dose of insulin'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i totally disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is quite an interesting video, been lots of similar supposedly isolated scandals in the UK about this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hm_MwBjkIho'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have them attached to numpad keys'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a political football right from the start'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never saw what the fuss was anyway, stopping was the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are we rewarding people for doing what they're supposed to, now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's when he keeps showing up at accidents you want to start worrying :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): With a mischievous smile, Blonk pats a brick as if it were a kitten.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop patting democrats!'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'They're at it again: US Army buying millions of rounds of russian and other non-army issue ammunition popular in civilian firearms'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Buys 72,000 Rounds of Ammo'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the scary work they do that requires them to be armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are they going to shoot cluds now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are they going to shoot clouds now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the army buying ammo they don't use? another attempt to dry up the market'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congres seriously needs to ban all government bodies except the army and the cops from buying ammo, period'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl Obamacare call center hiring part-time workers, not providing healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also "Promise to protect whistleblowers disappears from change.gob'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd be surprised if something like that was passed. I mean, you cannot increase the rights of citizens, then the terrorists win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare does not increase the rights of the citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reduces them, if anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think if i was tasked with improving healthcare i'd roll out some kind of universal subsidised system with a list of maximum tariffs that the government will cover'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'anyone know where i can get a list of vegetables that can be grown in a specific region'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that information is generally offered per plant... anotherwords, the seed packet will tell you where it can grow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is also very dependant on where you live, so look for more local information.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate what region are you talking about?  you could do a pretty comprehensive good search if you typed "popular vegetables seasons midwest"'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or northest, south, etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the laeveldt in south africa and it is for a geography task'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gardeninginsouthafrica.co.za'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zouth Africa?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can probably grow almost any vegetable in SA, as long as you have plenty of water and good soil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'are you deluded?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'allright.. what are your delusions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking to yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no its a topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a fine one too'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well i'm off swimming, so it'll have to wait :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.folk.ee/video/2013/?live=folk2013-ait'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we have a folk festival here. there are so many performaces that seem a bit wacky'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they sure know how to turn themselves coocoo doing that folk thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got id'd for buying a bow saw. country's gone to the dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a saw is a type of knife, so it makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and especially given i'm 35'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they card us grey-haired and balding guys when we buy alcohol here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'can't judge the entire country by that, maybe it is your country, or your state that requires that'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'erm, county'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, legally speaking, if you do not have an ID it is against the law to buy alchohol, or be in a bar, no matter what age you are'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a legal requirement here, just a dumbarse shop with dumbarse rules dreamt up by dumbarse liberals told what to do by a dumbarse parasitic legal system'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone should remind them that profiling is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, just think if i'd been a black disabled lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i wouldn't have had a problem at that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so your argument is: if one looks old then one must be old. Prove it :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i knew a kid who had grey hair in highschool, also knew a kid who had a beard in high school'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so with your logic, they shouldnt be carded ever?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something has a legal requirement of age for sale then they should be carded if there is any doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in all other situations, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the law doesn't have a "if there any doubts" clause.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for good reason, it takes judgement out of th equation. Either you have id or you don't get served.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'with that policy, no one under the limit will be served.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and there are crooked police departments (gasp!) that send old timers into bars, have them order a beer, if they are not carded, the  bar gets fined.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I  feel for them, but really, how hard is it to ask for id?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better to ask ID at the entrace'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, guess you guys have never bartended in a realy busy bar'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Speed is how you make your money, ebcause most bas pay you 5 bucks an hour, if your lucky, So you gotta be quick'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have bars in this country anymore'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noddy holder is trying once again abuse the constitution by using his position to screw up the Texas voting system in favour of Democrats'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in violation of his own supreme court, btw'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's already lost the last 3 supreme court rulings that texas pushed back against him'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Adam Kokesh was swiped by the feds and ordered held without a bond in DC'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the thugs in the government didn't take kindly to him, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is stranger is that he'll get off on appeal anyway, so they're only doing it at all to try and make an example of the dominance'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than that news, same old crap - obamacare coming off the rails more, poverty up, more threats of bankruptcy, Slick Willy and Hilary 'livid' at comparisons to Weiners' sexcapades (how hypocritical is that, eh?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and despite the WH being closed due to budget cuts and the country being almost bankrupt, Obama's cleared off on another tax-payer funded holiday'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a rabbit can produce six pounds of meat on the same amount of feed and water it takes a cow to produce just one pound.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's why cow meat tastes better :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many people would disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit has some of the best tasting meat bar none.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to each its own. To me, rabbit meat is sweet, something I don't want to taste when eating meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are restaurants that sell more rabbit dishes then they do fish or beef.  Most of them are in Europe though, except for California.  There is a ranch there that produces 300 rabbits for local restaurants each week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention, greasy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my rabbits are not greasy, far from it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't argue that, but one thing I can tell you, you won't find me at those restaurants :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it were a choice of eating rabbit meat or starve, I'd eat rabbit meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for goat, rabbit has the fastest growing demand of meat....beef is dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, actually, I've stopped eating beef also. I have become a fan of chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt anything will ever topple goat. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, goats are self-sufficient. We had goats when I was a child :) Never needed a gardener.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I used to like chicken also, until I added rabbits, now chicken is my 2nd fav meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you preverts settle down, please.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis  :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I find chickens to be harder to slaughter compared to rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are you kidding?  A twist of the wrist, that's all a chicken take.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont have to pluck a rabbit :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the killing part, the cleaning part.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'easy to plick a chicken, just stick it in hot water :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes me less than 2 minutes to clean a rabbit....about 5min for a chicken after it sits in hot water for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thought about building one of those automatic plucking machines.....buying one retail is like $1000'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and beef and pigs are just too damn big.....I send them off to the butcher to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mother Nature designed rabbits at the low end of the food chain so they die easily. Thats problematic for factory farming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rabbits are hard to keep, you have to put them in a concrete enclosure otherwise they'll dig their way out.  Found that out the hard way :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Factory farming is a bad thing, not the rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a rabbit tractor for the meaties.....when a litter is 6 weeks old, the males are put into the male meat tractor, and the females are kept with mom for another 2 weeks, then put in the female meaty tractor'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have pens for the 5 does and 1 buck'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If rabbits dig themselves out, they should probably be walking freely instead.... makes for tastier rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tractors are kept on pasture, so they can eat mostly grass, weeds, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having baked rabbit tomorrow for dinner....yum...pasture raised rabbit is the best....'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I try my best to only buy animals that have a natural diet. Factory farmed X in concrete bunkers vs pasture raised X, the choice is simple. Even if they cost more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, my rabbit meat supply costs next to nothing, except for the costs of building the tractors, the pens, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish I was your neighbor :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, gave them 5 lbs of rabbit meat this week. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an older couple, doubt they spend much money on meat....so rabbit meat is good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of getting another buck, and using 2 of the current pair doe kits to expand the genetics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the train I like the best about rabbits though....they are quiet unlike chickens.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trait even'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Archaeologists have found proof that the Romans raised meat rabbits 2,000 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has accused the Romans of being gourmet :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Didn't the Roman fishing boat guys use to give away the lobsters they caught to the poor?'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Dumbasses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'testing one two three'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boehner and mccain are nasty pieces of work'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't you guys unselect them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'duck and cover, kiddies, the GOP is ripping itself apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'How government (any government) works: Do something until someone tells you its wrong, then whine and complain until you find someone who agrees with you and lets you do it anyway.'