T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard on the radio today that some guy finally came out about his medical condition and is now getting disability money for it.  His medical condition is that he has orgasms when he hears the james bond theme.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that scumbucket and commie sympathiser Chris Matthews is at it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chris Matthews is the dumbest motherfucker on television. What did he say now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called Ted Cruz a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews called him a terrorist because he wants to defund or otherwise get rid of Obamacare, which is his job, frankly'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Chris Matthews thinks that congressment that do their job are terrorists. Given the corrupt nature of the american administration, he's sorta right'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, CNN are now reporting on huge secret CIA activity in Benghazi at the time of the Sep 11th attacks.... after repeatedly calling other news channels cooqs and poo-poo'ing them, accusing them of creating false scandals, when reporting the same thing months ago'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that all american major tv channels should be shredded'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i am not to informed on that situation, but you honestly think they should keep on trying to get rid of obamacare? they have failed like 30+ times and have wasted millions of dollars and hundreds of hours, which could all be used elsewhere to a much better effect'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they should, because if they don't everyone will end up with worse health cover'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well now thats not true at all'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The current system is broken, we need to try something'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare has priced healthcare out of my reach.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to do something, just not this'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It is not even into full swing yet, it is going to take some tweaking ,cant expect everything just be perfect'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and considering how much bullshit has gone into fighting it, rather than making it work better, what do you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tweaking? people were asked to vote for it without knowing what was in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'just like everything else tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that is nothing new'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should have gone for a simple government-provided health insurance that is mandatory for those who do not have one'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, gotta try something new to figure out what works'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"less than optimium healthcare" for which segment of the population, as different to "no healthcare at all" for some segments of the population'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when they took the vote, even the congress members who supported the bill did not get a chance to read it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and it naturally wont work perfect for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'once again hanslanda, nothing new'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who in their right mind votes for something they haven't read?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then everyone should be fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it has been like that for a LOOOONG time'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'longer than any of us have been alive'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rumor is that most congressmen never read their bills'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'thats no rumor'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you can afford an 80% hike in your insurance rates'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it made my insurance cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but ok'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you are in the minority'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'No, i am not :) Many of the things in the accordable health care act are there to help people, it is going to force insurance companies to compete'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's probably even on the bronze package.  Wait until you have to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance companies already compete'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have any idea what competition in health insurance does?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It gives people the ability to pick and choose what insurance company they want to give their money to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o yea, antoher thing, if your money is not used on you, you get it back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'drives costs up.  We have mountains of fiscal evidence showing this.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Only 20% of the money you pay into insurance can be used for administrative costs'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the affordable health care act'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it isn't insurance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'You pay money to insurance company, They dont use it on you, you get 80% back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't insurance if you get your money back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a subsidy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they give you your money back then there is no money to cross-subsidise other people'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of insurance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might get lower premiums the next year...'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now that the high-risk folk are going onto your plan, costs are going up'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what obamacare does is set up an insurance monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a retarded idea, it picks the very worst elements of healthcare systems and shoves them together'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well people need insurance because the current situation is what is driving up the prices at hospitals'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only models that work are a fully-government funded sector, or a fully private-sector model'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The current system is broke, so we should just not try anything?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you start smacking the two together you get a disaster'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ALL current systems are broke'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all upcoming systems are broke.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an "insurance monopoly" which according to Tigernuts is "not insurance" '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Ok, well i am talking about the health care system'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to try something, how about try something that's better?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'this is better, nobody is giving it a chance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it is not even fully in swing yet, and the rpeubs have tried to get rid of it 30+ times'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it's costing jobs and costing money'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they wont even sit down and attempt to get shit working'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'not doing anything is doing the same thing tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Prices are so high in hospitals because so many people abuse the system'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they know it's a doozie. perhaps if they consulted before pushing it, i dunno, like allowing people to READ it before voting on it, some of the shit stuff could have been sorted out?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is scaremongering with irrelevant and or false facts'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'people go to the emergency department for bullshit reasons, and they Have to get seen, then they dont pay their bill, leaving a big fat fuck you for the hospitals which drives up everyone elses prices'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a fat smoker with a pre-existing condition, you can't kick me out of your plan.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everthing usually costs money - so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nJ3WExxxIr4'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as jobs are lost, other jobs are created, so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so we bombed your homes by mistake, so what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we just stole all your money, confiscated your home, shoved you in prison, so what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most rich folk are parasites - they did not really earn their money truly honestly, and yet some of them complain when forced to be charitable to the problems they caused (which they likely deny causing)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most -people- are parasites'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"...forced to be charitable...."  there's an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"forced" and "Charitable" don't go together.... "Forced" and "Taxed" go together.... "forced" and "rape" go together.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well if the tax rate on the super wealthy got raise back to what it was, there would be a fucking rebellion'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people used to be charitable until government came and took a big shit on everything and throwing their weight around'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't, blonk, they'd just avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag rich want the extra populace their to provide cheap labour and cannon fodder for the armed forces, but they don't want to pay for the medical expenses of those labourers and cannon fodder'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most rich folk would go absolutely insane (in the mental sense, not the really-pissed-off sense) if they didn't give away most of their money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the super-wealthy get taxed to much... they'll leave'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'They are paying insane low rates as is'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it used to be much higher'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare isn't about taxes'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they'll take their jobs and their taxes with them'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and they are not paying shit for wages compared to what they used to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'minimum wage should be around 20 bucks an hour'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like in France.  Gerard Depardieau, for example, is getting taxed at like 120%.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'its way lower than that, and they are stil crying and doing everything they can to not pay anything they dont have to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag sell the injurious products upon which the populace is addicted, and then complains when extra taxes and ciosts are required to pay for the damages caused by those injurious products'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want good wages, you need stuff produced locally, not shifting all your manufacturing to china and buying in cheap shit, and allowing Mexicans to come and do all the jobs for low wages'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that is because of the goverment tigernuts, they gives breaks to sending jobs over seas'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and the corporations take advantage of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, blonk, both sides'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not the rich, nor the gop, nor the democrats, it's the SYSTEM'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'also because americans are fucking stupid, they we wanted shit to change, we could do it swiftly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if we wanted shit to change, just stop buying stuff from anywhere but the usa for a couple months, thats all it would take'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag republicans like fighting overseas wars, but dislike paying medical costs and disabilities to the mangled soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just them, zade'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Why would they want to take care of their own Zade? They dont make money off it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It is pretty much them tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'They fight and fight and fight and fight to keep the war machine turning'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good luck with that, Blonk.  Stuff made in the USA isn't actually made in the USA, even under the legal definition of the term.  All we do is assemble.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o ok, hans, i guess there is no way for the people to do anything with their purchasing power'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Because shit wouldnt change if people decided to change it,'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can, they can use local services, '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but hans just said there isnt any'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can put in a goverment whose small firms contracts program goes to small firms, not fortune 500'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i mean, EVERYTHING is made elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start with food, blonk'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food and services'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Tiger, your arguing against he wrong person'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'pay attention'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguing against all of you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ibGzXrlRITA'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate glenn beck, but he's pretty straight up here'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'nah, i watched that last video of yours, it was fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortune 500 companies are more efficient than small companies for some products, example: computers'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was meant to be stupid, it was a satirical cartoon'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this link is more factual, if a bit out of date'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i gotta take off, i will argue with you fellas later'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'have a good one :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'aruge/debate/banter whatever you wanna call it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you had to buy your computer only from small stores, you'd be paying a lot more and getting far worse service, and likely being cheated '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bullshit, zade'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the definition of Made in America is that the product must consist of at least 75% parts actually manufactured in the US (not made elsewhere and shipped here for assembly, like is the current trend).  Absolutely no car brand that identifies itself as American (Ford, Chevrolet, etc) actually meets this standard, and it's actually illegal for these companies to stamp their product with the Made in USA tag.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'small stores casnnot afford the no-hassle return policies of large chains'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you return?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was defective, it wasn't the right size, you found a better deal (why pay more when you don't have to?), you bought too much, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some things do break down early before warranty expires'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they fix it/replace it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "no-hasslke" part is absent from small stores'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as a no-hassle replacement of a whole computer'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe in Britain, but you guys are already long screwed '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mom & pop computer shop is very likely to give you a far more responsive service that the big boys'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Get this guys, I guess all non-African humans have traces of Neadertal DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Global grain reserves are at a historic low. The misguided decision to subsidize the production of ethanol from corn has led to market competition between eaters (and feeders of poultry) and drivers of SUVs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg price for whole grains has risen by 27% in the last year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Get this guys, I guess all non-African humans have traces of Neadertal DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... a ¼ hispanic, ¼ caucasian, and ½ black person does not have neahdrethal DNA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'that would make them non-african'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you know what I mean shutup shutup'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not according to the state welfare blard'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '... board'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess that would mean that those who left the African continent didn't see any reason to go back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but we all share mitochondrial DNA with the same woman called mitochonrial Eve.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Rangel black guy is a bit of a retard, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Understatement'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/10218288/CIA-running-arms-smuggling-team-in-Benghazi-when-consulate-was-attacked.html'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was reported by the independent media months and months and months ago. The mainstream media and whitehouse called them crazy conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so from now on i think every time the white house and the mainstream media calls something a crazy conspiracy theory, it's probably a good reason to give it a second look and a poke'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wendys is better than hardees'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have no idea, I never frequent either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dang... ok... Lowes is better than homo depot'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes it is!'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'crunchy peanut butter is better than creamy peanut butter'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'grape pop is better than orange opo'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wow... really?  "opo"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's when opochtli eats cheetos'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'I seek a challenger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Whi will dare debate me?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your mom'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Really? Going with the cliche huh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no cliche, your mom wants to debate you'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom's isnt on Aardwolf and she's at home. Im not'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'be sure to get home by suppertime'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's making your favorite'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I say 'better' is defined by enjoyment/entertainment value. (as far as classes are concerned)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'How do you know dude? U stalking me? Just because Im super hot doesnt mean you have to know about my life.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Thank you Stabulous for your normal debating topic which does not involve my mom.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'welcome :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'You seem to have an extensive knowledge in Linguistics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a nwe tpic. whow phat s yhour mam. mon. mon'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mombn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'm o m'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I yeild the remainder of my time to my opponent. hehe'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom is slim. At least thats what my dad tells her.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'your dad's given up on ladies'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom is slim. At least thats what my dad tells her.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The gun control myths debunking handbook: http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf     '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh the very first "myth" is a straw man argument.  The real position is that countries with gun control have far less  crimes committed with guns not anything correlated with "crime rate"'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so to spend almost nearly a whole section on crime rate vs gun availability when that isn't the argument is sort of...bleh'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what you you doing Milshake? applying logic and reason to a gun control arguement? Wtf?!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the other major argument, that gun control reduces death by guns in both crimes and outside of crimes is also nto treated that I can find, so the two largest "arguments" that I know of arent' dealth with'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'although thats probably because the statistics for both arguments are unequivocal.  Yet I admit that that still isn't conclusive because of ergo propter hoc, however this document also clearly doesn't understand that fallacy, frequently implying that correlation is causation.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'which, if you try to present with sources and graphs in a "persuasive" manner but don't also underline that you aren't similarly aware of the lack of real causation means that its just invective'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'you are missing one thing Milkshake.. The people that document was aimed at problably dont care about little things like facts.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I refuse to be that cynical :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, your take on the two arguments [and specifically the first "myth"] isn't necessarily the correct take on them...the argument is a question of whether or not gun control increases safety, or whether taking away the guns prevents the deaths/mayhem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'i.e. if guy1 is going to kill someone, is there a meaningful difference whether it ends up being by a gun or a bomb/hatchet/other'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gun Control...  Bottom line is that I am a gun owner.  I like to own guns.  I like to live in a country where owning guns is legal.  I like to shoot targets, not people.  People who use guns to commit crime are criminals.  Punshish them.  To say that none of us can have guns because some criminals use guns is no different than saying none of us can have cars because some criminals use cars.  GOD BLESS AMERICA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you have the same level of crime before and after gun control, but you have less crimes committed with guns after gun control, then have you increased safety?  It is a tough question.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'vonliege nobody has ever tried to take away all guns in america.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the first thing isn't crime rate, it's specifically homicide rate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'even fully automatics are legal in america still, if they were made before a certain year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's incrimental... the mission statement of the hard core gun control movement is "no guns"... period.  today it's assault weapons, then hand gunds... eventually BB guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Just because its a mission statement, does not mean anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhh thats how most lobbies work, Vonliege, so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'spells'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'We couldnt even get tiny tiny gun regulations passed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at Blonk.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've had some rather sweeping gun regulations passed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'recently? like what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the last one was in 1986 wasnt it? after that, nothing huge, unless i am mistaken'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah Blonk if you look at many liberal states like Cali have passed extremely strict gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh the arguments about the swiss are particularly narrow.  A much more hetergenous society where everyone is conscripted into military service and they have a much much much more aggressive social safety net.  Its like, there are a symphony of factors here but this argument boils down to, what two facts, in a highly complex system, can I select and present as causation.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well when it comes to the state level, or city level, thats different'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Ok, then how about D.C?  It's a federal district how did hand gun bans work out for them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Dare I say, California and Illinois and D.C. have blatantly unconstitutional gun laws. Well Illinois recently passed conceal carry. But Chicago's mayor is doing everything he can to keep citizens from being able to protect themselves from gangbangers on the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I dunno, lets take a physical area with perfectly porous borders that is tiny in size and under a confluence of factors and try to derive some meaningful notion of it having a physical ban on something while it is in an island of unbanned territory.  You can say that we would still be able to import guns illegal for the use of criminals and I Would agree, but the difference is between trying to slop out a leak in a dingy vs a leak in an oil tanker.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So you are implying that gun bans are not sweeping enough Milkshake?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm stating that the affects of rigid gun control in the united states are not meaningful or well understood unless we carried out the experiment federally for probably at least a decade'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'we can look to Australia for a good example of how gun bans drove crime into unimaginable heights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also I think poverty is probably a bigger factor in crime than gun availability, so I think nearly this whole document is very silly to ignore that and no gun control debate is really very intelligent without keeping factors like poverty in mind'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'debate For a decade Milkshake? You mean like the Brady assault weapons ban that was in effect in the U.S. from 1994 to 2004? The one that did not reduce gun crime?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for starters, we can't look at anything as far as causation...at best correlation'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no I mean like a full on gun ban, like nobody, even police is allowed to have them, only military, a la british style etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I mean you can't understand the affect of such a rule nationally without trying it for a good long while'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How long have guns been banned in Chicago and NY?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it would need to be the only major change'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not really banned'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and we have a huge huge number of factors that make it very hard to appreciate the affect vs countries that are already doing it like britain, population density, land area, social mobility, social safety net, universal health care, poverty in general, all these things come into play when talking about crime and gun use'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well Milk even if that 'could' work. We can never and should never pass such legislation because of the second amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the constitution is not a static document'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Our right to bear arms is. No rights are granted by the bill of rights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it is not, we could amend it away'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The right to arm and defend yourself is an inherent right.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'but that doesn't take away the actual right.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the constitution does not say it is an inherent right'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'that would be an unconstitutional amendment Milk. It won't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and that phrase holds very little meaning'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'They are 'self-evident'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be an unconstitutional amendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'first off, thats not the constitution, thats the declaration of independence'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Gun crime statistics don't even come close to warranting any kind of ban.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'second what was held to be self evident was that men were created equal and that they had inalienable rights AND THE ONLY ONES ENUMERATED were life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and "self-evident" was never used in any document by the founding fathers when talking about bearing arms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so thomas J did not say you have an inalienable right to guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Liberty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you need to look up what liberty is...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its a very important point to note that thomas J didn't define liberty in that document, thank god!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'And since we're on the subject. Wouldn't abortion be considered as depriving life...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The bill of rights makes it self-evident. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'The definition of liberty is not in dispute.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'Should we ban automobiles because so many die in accidents'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not in favor of gun control...but there would be nothing whatsoever unconstitutional about repealing the second amendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'if automobiles were banned my fiance would still be alive'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be the first amendment to be repealed...and it is nothing more than "yet another amendment" as far as the legality of the constitution goes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets not confuse the issue, we could amend the 2nd amendment and it would be entirely legal, and if you personally believe its an "inalienable" right then whatever, thats what you believe.  If you said,w e have the right to take measures to protect ourselves, I agree, but such measures could take the form of entering into a social contract where nobody was allowed to have certain kinds of weapons...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'let me ask you this, if you can't arm and protect yourself to defend yourself, your family and your country if needed, can you call yourself a free person? The answer is no you are not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you can'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'getting rid of guns doesn't get rid of killings, in fact its easier to make a bomb than it is to get a gun, or to run people over with a car'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'we accept all sorts of curtailments on our physical freedoms.  I am not free to purchase a car and drive it around without a license and insurance and I find that perfectly reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'More importantly, how long do you think you're other freedoms will last if you no longer have the means to secure them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'there would be less crime if everyone was requried to have a gun, rather than trying to ban guns, as said Australia, and other situtions show this'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'your notion of what you think is reasonable or not is not universal, please acknowledge that much'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Do you think the turks on Capitol Hill are watching out for your best interests?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay, well you can call yourself that. But if your personal safety is at the mercy of only the police and military than you are not free no matter what you think or say.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'our other freedoms would last just as long as they have up to now'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since for the last hundred years or so, nobody has taken up arms to keep our freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Actually, there are some stories coming out of Russia you should hear. They used to be able to carry guns.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha like a well armed american society would present to the united states military anything more than a speed bump in establishing martial law.... did you SEE what happened in Iraq?  We would be better off storing fertilizer than guns if we wished to undermine the american military'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without being issued said arms by the government'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'the writers of the constituion understood the need to bea ble to protect our freedoms, thats why they said its neccessary for a free state'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'when was the last time the people used fire power to stand up to the government?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Nazi Germany had a some interesting gun confiscations'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'successfully? never'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So the argument that we need guns to defend against the government is....'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'last time they came close? civil war'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'But it really comes down to this. Does your desire to disarm me outweigh my right to be armed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'blonk: in a word, dense'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So we have never had to take arms against a tyranical US government so far or for a long time...so its safe to remove the 2nd amendment? lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that it does, stab, that it does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if the government wants, they can lock up anyone they want, and guns wont do shit about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'If the government wasn't concerned about our firearms, then what's the big problem?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And milk says we gotta better chance just turning them in and just fighting a harsh dictatorship exclusively with poop and shit?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other citizens are concertned about your firearms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Let them be concerned.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'fertilizer is used to make bombs, and bombs can be used to disrupt supplies, resources, create IED's etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'where I live i can't even have pepper spray without a permit... seems a bit odd to me'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aren't poop and shit the same thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if it worked like that stab, the world would be different'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so yes, poop would help us (since it contains nitrates, an essential part of making saltpeter) much better than guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'one person stands up talking anti gun, and suddenly O MY GOD! The government is trying to take away my gun!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'der der der'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well hand grenades are explosive too Milk.Should our armies drop their rifles to carry more grenades?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he actually hasn't stood up talking anti-gun, he's merely pointed out flaws in you-must-have-gun propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Classy, Blonk...classy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'another thing even scarier that would help mitigate martial law would be bio weapons, so maybe we should be storing up small pox?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets make the government trully afraid of us'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is a bee-gun a bio-weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like in halflife'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'sorry, i live in a small town, worked in a bar of a city with 120 people in it, i am used to the gun argument and it gets under my skin'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'out of them 120 people,50 had a conceal carry permit :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't think everyone "must" have a gun. Forcing guns on people would be just as bad as forcing health insurance on people. It should be a choice. If you want a gun you should have one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'guns really are the very last thign we need to stand up to a tyrannical government, they're inefficient, heavy, and we're way out gunned anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just a small town girl, living in a lonely world'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'whats the first thing someone needs to stand up to a tyrannical government?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'a gas mask'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Will banning firearms stop violence, or even slow it down? History doesn't seem to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in THIS government, speech'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'However, even the Geneva Convention deemed firearms to be among the more humane methods.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'when we had the revolutionary war they needed guns to acheive it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i will be back to join in the debate if it is still going :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'once again, the argument that I've heard of, that isn't being dealt with, is statistics for crimes WITH guns is significantly less in societies that ban all firearms (even for police)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'remove firearms and it's back to fires, explosives, knives, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Well, first you need to clearly determine the intent of gun control.  Is it to reduce firearm crimes/violence?  If so gun control is a bad place to start.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing nobody in the world is under that government then, kalrom'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it does not say LESS crime, it says LESS crime with guns, thats a huge huge difference'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'whats the point of less crimes with guns vs crimes in general, less crims with guns, doesn't mean less murders, etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'It stands to reason that if you ban shoes, more people will be bearfoot. But it doesn't stop them from walking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'that statistic is worthless'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'milkshake: it's a huge difference, but it is the wrong question'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Unless the U.S. government's objective is to destroy all of our buildings and infrastructure and eradicate every major city. We would fare better with our arms vs. whatever amound of the military is actually willing to shoot their own countryman, much better than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if we want to fight crime, the most alarming statistics say a reasonable minimum wage and preventative health care are the two easiest ways to accomplish that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'So that argument is emptry rhetoric'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'krynal it is not a bad place to start to reduce crimes commmited with guns, the statistics are not conclusive, but they're pretty persuasive all the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is a bad place to start'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its a bad place to start if you want to reduce crime in general, but not if you just want to reduce the incidence with guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'krynal?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if homicide is happening, there is zero reason to care whether it was committed using a gun or "other"...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats fallacious, it assumes homicide would ahppen no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'honmicide does happen no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'in all sorts of methods'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the statistic which was being used, and yes, they will'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the incidence of homicide is lower in assault and battery withotu guns than with, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'assault and battery is an entirely different statistic than homicide'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'with a gun homicide is clean. with everything else its dirty and makes you think first. or not if you're crazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'intent to kill often choose gun, when intent to harm woudl just do assault and battery, but intent to kill still works without a gun in many ways'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Guns are desirable when juxtaposed with some of the alternatives.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'let me rephrase since people misunderstood, homicides will happen, but the incidence of homicide is shown to be lower in classifications of crime like muggings when the mugger is armed with a knife instead of a gun'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when the victim has a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so if you assume that the intent of the crime is to reapproriate another's well, gun control appears to strongly correlate with less incidental or colleteral homicide in such crimes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'an incidents are even lower when the mugged are carrying a firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if the intent is to murder, I can see that gun bans probably have negligable impact, but most crimes aren't started with an intent to murder. '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except that's the statistic which you were misreading in the first myth of the pdf...homicide rates didn't decrease'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'wealth* hahaha!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How do you take firearms away from an unwilling and uncooperative population?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'first incentive, then force'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you can't look at global homicide rates, too many factors'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Exactly. By the use guns. And that's exactly why they need to stay.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather, first positive incentive, then negative incentive, finally force'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its like looking at a differential equation and cherry picking the variables'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but it seems a little more reasonable to look at homicide rates within classifications of crimes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so is your posit, milk'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and by seems, yes I recognize I'm utilizing my personal judgement'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'so it's ok to use guns to disarm law-abiding citizens, but not ok for those law-abiding citizens to maintain something that lends to their perosnal security?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also picking a "homicide rate" on countries that are in the middle of a WAR in that graph in the first "myth" is hilariously focused'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Around 11k people were killed by guns last year. How do you estimate how many of those people would have been killed if no one had guns?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: '280,000 people died in the US last year from Medical Errors.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm still saying that rigid firearm bans are not well understood, and we're nto discussing them at the caliber I wish we were as a nation'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they weren't in the middle of the war when the statistic was taken'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not going to get into a semantic argument about what the IRA was doing in the 90's'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we can't discuss them at the caliber you wish as a nation...look at this convo...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Honestly, it shouldn't even be a discussion. The Supreme Court ruled twice in favor of preserving and protecting the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets just say, not taking the IRA into account as a factor in homicide rates in ireland is rather a narrow focus'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Anti-Gun nuts need to check their cowardly soul and concede defeat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the supreme court doesn't make laws or constitutional amendments...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the flynn affect suggests we're getting smarter, moreover, its my personal opinion that conversations just like these slowly and inexcorably raise the quality of debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'inexorably* my god I need food :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'feed me seymour'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'this (Debate) Stabulous: 'Anti-Gun nuts need to check their cowardly soul and concede defeat.' is an ad-hominen, and I hope you realize that it makes you look like an ass as well as undermining anything else you might say :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not on issues like this in a largish scale, IMO...guns, abortions, etc. won't have good debates on a national level for many years'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Flynn should read Don Quixote or Shakespeare and get back to me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes but what marches us forward to that greater debate?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its well acknowledge that the smartest of us aren't getting smarter, but that average is still very much increasing, ergo, it allows for cervantes, and the bard to exist in a time where the average person was largely illeterate and under-nourished'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'illiterate haha okay seriously goign to go eat'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the average is getting more edumacated, dunno that I'd necessarily call 'em smarter ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'google flynn affect'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'effect*'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just cuz they've named it doesn't make it correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'completely agree, just because you said that doesn't mean the thing they named is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but its nice to be able to refer to a complex idea in a simple way, viz a viz a name :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'He didn't propose it either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the tests are quite invalid, and test education more than intellect'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhhh, well I think thats certainly a concern, something that has been brought up before, but I think its not something I'd hang my hat on'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I tend to hang my hat on the truth, regardless of what "they" say :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'exactly and my point is that you cannot know that for truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure I can'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'rather, that the evidence to suggest that the tests are flawed and not measuring anythign we would call intelligence is less persuasive in general than the evidence that the tests are not flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you've not looked at the tests...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats a fallacy, that I would agree with you if I only knew what you knew but you can't be bothered to spell that out and so I must, of course, not know and its a subtle ad hominen'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a truth...it's a necessary fact that they're flawed, and nothing that can be fixed by better tests'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't accept that as truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I have no reason to'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok, then it's merely the entire definition of iq that you're misunderstanding'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until we can manage a brain scan to test potential, the tests will be flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'soooo from the 'neutral' source ... 'There is debate about whether the rise in IQ scores also corresponds to a rise in intelligence,'  and I think that means that there lacks a consensus and to say that it means that IQ is not at all correlated with "intelligence" is to suggest that there is no debate about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also to suggest there is a debate doesn't mean that one side isn't much more persuasive and I happen to believe that the side of "IQ IS correlated to intelligence" is the more persuasive side'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not IQ...it's IQ test results...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hats nitpicking, of course I meant IQ test results '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'If the aborigine drafted an IQ test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it. -- Stanley Garn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How about this. Let us begin with the greatest transgressors and work our way down the list.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'You know, we have much bigger problems to solve, and more noble tasks to put our minds to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Starvation, poverty, disease.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't agree with that guy, not every IQ test is in English or requires any cultural understanding'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its possible a test designed by an alien to measure intelligence would be perfectly acceptable, and that , for instance, Raven's Progressive Matrices might be useful for all cultures'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't need to be English,and it doesn't need to be culture that is understood...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, applied tests DO require pre-knowledge or understanding of a sort'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'The origin of the IQ test is a rather alarming history lesson in itself.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Stabulous what could be more noble than discussing the meta concerns of how we think, given that it subsumes all other tasks that require thinking?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Sorry, I was AFK for a moment and thought the gun issue was still on the table.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone may have great spacial intelligence, but have never seen tesselations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, yes abelinc these points have been made and counterpoints galore, and you're still not saying something new to me that I find persuasive, personally.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'But not knowing where we're at in a conversation has never slowed me down much.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no counterpoints'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's simple fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha very much disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the test are the best we have, and we should continue to use them'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the flaws are recognizable and recognized'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I didn't say the tests didn't have flaws, I said the tests are correlated with intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and we can hope for the day when we do have the brain scan to determine potential'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'i hope we never see that day'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'i don't know why you would hope for that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that day is is closer than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And so the conversation turned, until the sun went down...and many fantasies were learned:o'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'What can we do together to improve our immediate condition?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stay in school, get a better job :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'play nice'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Good!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and shmooze like you've never shmoozed before'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh, remove any carried interest loophole on capital gains and treat it as any other source of income'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in today's society, it's mostly about who you know rather than what you know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'changes in test results among populations across long timespans do not have correlations with changes in intelligence...we're not evolving to a higher-level human brain across 3 generations...the tests given aren't the same, the things taught aren't the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'As the saying goes, "It's who you know and who you blow.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has ALWAYS been more about who you know than what you know...nothing to do with today's society'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nobody used the word evolving, the reasons I think the flynn effect is being observed ... I would personally attribute it to a combination of nutrition, increased medical knowledge for dealing with infections, and behavior passed on from parents'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but there are lots of proposed reasons and that is also very muchi n debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I would attribute it to the social connectivity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake nods at Stabulous.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'social connectivity doesn't change intelligence...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh I disagree with that, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then we're back at the misunderstanding of the term'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you care to define it I shall read what you think the term means'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'That depends on if we can agree that Intelligence is tantamount to potential.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as relates to IQ, it is the person's inherent ability to learn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I like this definition a little bit more: Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including, but not limited to, logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, having emotional knowledge, retaining, planning, and problem solving.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well a lot more'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I'd like it more if it weren't partially wrong in parts and completely wrong in others...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think, it is necessarily multi-faceted.  And, each of those facets do not exist independently but rather interoperate in ways that surpass current knowledge.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but good to see that you can quote the first sentence in wiki :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, its easy to be right when you can be so declarative, i suppose, and two, I see no shame and no reason to point out that I quoted wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'maybe you meant to imply that I cannot think for myself if I use someone else's definition?  Seems such an ad hominen'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no definition of intelligence, particularly when referring to IQ, can correctly contain a facet containing "knowledge"'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nice of you to work out theories of people ad homineming all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I suppose that's okay, since IQ tests are really only testing your ability to perform under pressure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh yes but you see I personally believe that learning without knowledge is not possible, and this discussion, the nature of epistomology very very quickly gets to metaphysics and I think that is where we're headed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not under pressure'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'So we can't even agree on the defintion of 'intelligence'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'LOL!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, what?  IQ tests are open-book?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'learning without knowledge is not possible...how does a creature begin to learn?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'IQ tests may be open book'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'From nature, from others (social connectivity), and from personal experience.,'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the better question is what is knowledge, if you must start with some to learn the next fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but I Think knowledge and learning are actually less distinct, not two separate concepts but a continuum in which we've labelled both ends'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically, there's no reason to ever expect anything but perfect scores on IQ tests?  I mean, if you can just look up the answer it doesn't seem like a very good test.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but my argument goes something like this, a bunch of metal rolls down a hill a bunch of times and after several trillion times eventually assembles itself into a watch and thus knowledge and from there maybe learning'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on the test, hans...they're not exactly spelling tests'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'its not exactly a pass fail test'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or, if you prefer, motion eventually brings together evolution from which emerges the continuum we agreed on, knowledge and learning, and that creatures are not distinct, we flow from each other in a procreative fashion, pulling mass and organizing principles from our forebears'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so we don't begin to learn, we continue to learn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ooh, this is getting hot'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's even worse.  IQ = Rorsach?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rorshach: 'Yea'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'although I do have to admit that simply willing yourself to geniushood would be much more convenient.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh that would be both convenient and lovely'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'worked for W'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i was just thinking for npcs who use it. have to ast dissiolve like 10 fucking times, and the instant you get it off, they just cast it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then your stats suck :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're both single...level up a bit and marry him :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm all over today'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"hardcore" is a term some games use for "one life only" mode...'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now I understand hardcore porno. Thanks, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'glad I could help'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'XKeyscore'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bank of england is short 1300 tons of gold'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'short as in missing, or short as in not enough to back currency?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'short as in missing'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in "have made loans of gold we don't own"'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently they're not the only western bank institution in trouble over it, the big 4 corporate banks are similarly exposed, there is considerable panic atm in bullion banks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could you imagine?  what if we (USA) had another embasy over run?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... how about this... could you imagine?  what if we (USA) landed on the moon again?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are several layers of tasty bait in that last one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no no no, Abelinc... you're supposed to say "Who the hell can prove we landed there in the first place?!"'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'help ninja'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'er, mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis?  too bad.  That could have been the single greatest debate in debate channel history!'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bah!... I'm going to make some sawdust.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some asian countries have placed emergency taxes on the sales of bullion to prevent the stresses caused by demand on their exposed banks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so - there is no point anywhere that can represent an irrational number. that means irrational numbers are pointless!'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have you ever heard of the real line?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a minute ago..'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'math sucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the real line contains point for all real numbers, amazingly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and since radical 2, for instance, is real, albeit irrational, it is represented on the real line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all of it, its nothing real. real line is as imaginary as it can get'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, to each its own :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. point can be many things, real is imaginary. its all topsy turvy'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, world wheat production is up 4.3% from last year, 690 million metric tons, the 2nd highest wheat harvest ever.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there is this nice new ted talk. cows rule'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cows damage the pasture.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'franken cows that weigh 1600 lbs do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prefer smaller breeds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, the US produced 69% more pasta wheat in 2012 then it did in 2011.  Gotta love the pasta wheat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Production in the U.S., the worlds largest wheat exporter, may drop by 6.1 percent to 58 million tons because of drought in the southern Great Plains.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should grow the wheat in Texas.....we just had 12 days of rain.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with that much rain, shouldn't you be growing rice instead?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That much rain is not typical, so no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is one of the largest growers of rice in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Grats?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a big rice eater....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never was very good at making fried rice, so I gave it up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'man rice sounds good right now. i have a wok not in use :('
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried rice with grilled tilapia'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pork is better'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fried rice is cooked in pork fat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the 5th largest producer of wheat...how depressing....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We grow too much corn....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Farmers across the world will harvest 838 million metric tons of corn in the 2012-13 crop year, down 3 percent from 864 million tons forecast on July 26 and below last years output of 875 million tons'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn prices are rocketing up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of that production the US will grow 275 million tons, down from 300 million tons in 2011-2012'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my local feed store ran out of barley.....can only buy 50 lb sacks of wheat now....:('
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the future supply of barley looks grim because of the drought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The US needs to grow less shit, because we poison everything we grow now. epa just made the standards even worse, you can now consum 30x the poison'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'The projections for next year are close to a 30% increase though...for corn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all corn grown in the US for animal feed.....field corn as it is called, or deer corn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love buying 50 lb bags of field corn at the feed store though.....50 lbs of corn for about $12....that makes a lot of corn bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Corn was always going to take a hit last year when we had a hot dry spring into fall.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your can buy a 40 lb bag of deer corn for $6 at some grocery stores in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That is expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Relative to here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is nothing compared to the cost of sweet corn :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 ears of sweet corn for $1 at the store will make 2 loaves of polenta corn bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I can't do corn bread unless it's the old style oiled cast iron.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I buy the wheat to produce fodder to feed the chickens and rabbits though.....but not much because they depend on forage mostly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Insert Lard for oil..or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 lb of wheat grain turns into 6 lbs of sprouted fodder....and the protein is more digestible for the animals.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now I feed 16 chickens on about 10 cents of wheat per day, plus they spend most of the day foraging for bugs and stuff....the eggs are fantastic.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also added a maggot bucket to their chicken house pen.......they love that thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're not just foraging for bugs... they're foraging for yesterdays crap.  Chickens are only about 11-12% efficient eaters... their poop is very nutritious for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's why chicken crap is such a hot fertilizer... and why you can mix it with grass and pelletize it for dairy feed'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love those chicken eggs....pasture chickens are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit meat though....easier to grow, and they only eat weeds, and grasses, plus a little hay for fiber.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if rabbits produced eggs like a chicken does, the rabbit most likely would have become the dominate meat animal in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more likely we'd all become eggatarians.  Have you seen how readily rabbits breed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hunter training for hunters and firearm training for shoots.... the hunting training should include enough firearms safety to count towards firarm trininag'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so the administration rolls out a fake terror threat and closes down a bunch of unrelated embassies to celebrate the end of ramahdan. Not at all designed to cover up the latest re-statement of the revelations of Benghazi being a cover up of a botched attempted to transfer weapons illegally to insurgents in Syria, nor is it to cover up the NSA scandal by re-asserting it's need to protect from manufactured threats'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or am i just too cynical for this world?'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC came out with an article/program pushing the theory that extreme-right wing material was found in the boston bombers home along with films about 9/11 and oklahoma bombing conspiracies - looks like the government is trying to push that angle again.......... without stopping to think that both conspiracies would create an anti-islamist slant among anyone that impressionable, aside from the fact that they were card carrying members of the DEMOCRAT party, neither were white, and at the elder of which had links to the CIA along with his uncle'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we just need something to come out claiming they were NRA members and we have the full set of bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh oh, forgot they leant heavily on the "he smoked pot" button, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beef jerky is the ultimate survival food....everyone should have at least 50 lbs of it in storage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The NSA heard that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope so'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jerky is with my 20,000 rounds of ammo also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you're really lucky, they'll tell FEMA, so the next disaster recovery goes better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change is good...the occurence of hurricanes is down quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some day the UN geniuses will manage to create climate models that work better than random walk, then we might actually learn stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a jerky gun last week.....so much easier to make jerky with that thing......should have bought some years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found some $1.99 lb 97/3 hamburger today....bought 30 lbs...going to make hamburger jerky.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you horde jerky, you'll be arrested in the event of a crisis and your stash confiscated'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll also die of a heart attack'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, an suv with sonar.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idiot drivers in houston after it rains could use sonar with their suvs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tata motors is doing a damn good job with the new range rovers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bezos buying the washington post outright using his pocket change'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rizgoth's been watching UK top gear again'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Valero, the world's largest independent refiner, completed building two new hydrocrackers, one last year at its refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, and another last month in St. Charles Parish, La. Each cost about $1.5 billion and can process 60,000 barrels of petroleum feed stocks a day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of high demand for american diesel overseas, Valero has decided to expand the two plants for another $2 billion, and double production of diesel fuel.  Adding hundreds if not thousands of new middle class jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of huge new natural gas and oil deposits, the US has become the largest exporter of petroleum products again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though.  It is cheaper for New England states to import gasoline from Europe and Africa than it is to import gasoline from the gulf coast of the US.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hopefully Canada will build that new huge refinery to make diesel and gasoline from tar sands oil near the tar sands deposits, and pipeline that fuel to new england states to compete against europe and africa.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what a 50 foot long great white shark would do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Nidal Hasan is such a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... the only thing that the Fort Hood survivors GET out of a terrorist, as opposed to "work place violence" incident is a bit of purple ribbon, and a higher priority for medical and mental services....  why can't it just be called what it is?  I guess as long as it's labeled "work place violence", we can keep our head in the sand.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Minimum wage leads to higher taxes and less motivated employees around the minimum wage level. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'discuss what? You won.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I also think research shows that having a minimum wage leads to lower minimum wages. Not sure why that would be, though....'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Blonk: huh. Odd. I'm just wondering, coming from a country with no minimum wage, if that is true or that is FUD.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And if those causal links have been established.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has no minimum wage, but sure has higher taxes than the US that does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Anyone from Sweden on (this channel)?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Hmm, OK.. well where do your taxes go, if I have assumed correctly?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'healthcare, schools, police, firefighting, social security, defense, plus a lot of junk'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Well, sounds about right...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Biggest diff from the US is probably that we have tax financed schools (up to university level) and healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'So school fees are practically 0?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We do spend way less on healthcare and prisons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'social health care is correlated with slower gdp growth'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... that was supposed to say "less on defense and prisons"'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Ugh, I should not ask on debate when I am ready to go to bed :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Hmm, have to look up defence spending :/'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Singapore seems to "have to" spend a lot...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We also have a balanced budget, which is kind of radical for the western world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'What, no deficit-based growth?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We tried that in the 80s and 90s. '
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not a great move, it turns out. Who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'How come? Not enough people to borrow from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Interest.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It adds up. Especially with the rates in the early 90s, we were turning south quickly, before we managed to turn it around.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And Sweden has had a balanced budget since?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mid 90s or so. It's illegal to have an unbalanced budget since then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Huh, illegal. How do you do that, sack a finance department if the deficit is too high? I'd imagine surplus is not a problem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We can still get a deficit some years, but the budget has to be balanced.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We don't have crooked politicians that are payed by corporations. Or, at least, they hide it better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The budget cannot be accepted if it isn't balanced.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Heh, I was just thinking of Millennium'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the politicians don't get their summer break until the budget is accepted :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't sweden have a much higher tax rate?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'higher than most'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Denmark beats us, but I think we are second world wide.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And how do you do on cost of living?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they have lower income inequality i think'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No idea.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'cost of living is pretty high in the scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but they don't have as many poor'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'From what I hear, but then many people I've heard from are visitors there (exchange students)'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Hah, I am going to try this, if it is against the rules, i am sorry. But hey, everyone should help save a beautiful island in my home city. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/326/181/780/stop-the-city-of-winona-from-turning-latsch-island-into-industrial-zone/'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We're a social democtratic country. No one should be rich, and no one should be poor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'But people should be satisfied, or the government goes, right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'better poor than rich is their philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have these things called elections every few years :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Yeah but I don't really hear about revolts or riots or massive strikes in Sweden :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'income equality is pretty important imo'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's beacause no swede want to make a fuss. The french strike twice every week and arrange blockades and kidnap their bosses. It's not the swedish way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because even if your cost of living is low, as long as your poor still can't afford stuff it's still a problem'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Red: yep.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The difference between a high income job and a low income job is much smaller here than most other countries. If that is good or bad depends on your view.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have been striking a lot historically, and we have/had strong unions. Nowadays, unions are getting weaker... good or bad, up to you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Ranrr: ah, OK.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'globalisation will drag the scandinavian countries down sooner or later :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe. Or, more likely, we will change to be like any other country. Except with hotter chicks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'globalisation is also gonna dilute the gene pool!'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't mind, I find chicks with mixed genes really sexy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'using the US as an example, Unions were absulutly critical to the nations success in the early years of industrialization.  Unions ensured that immegrants wern't yanked off the boats and thrust into slave-like conditions.  They ensured that the American dream (or at least a small piece of it) was attainable by everyone... Today - Unions are smoke screens for bitchy little girls who don't wanna work hard... they want a job, and a salarie, but they don't want to try very hard to keep it, or advance in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sure Von, but not all employers care about their employees safety or rights. The unions have pretty strong resources to make things difficult for the dodgy employers. They are still needed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem with unions, as I see it, is when they use their power to influence politics in areas where they shouldn't.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-f 4'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a typo, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: '...or was it'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's debateable'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dodgy employers... hmmm.  In this day of instant information, unprecedented access to the legal system, and tax-payer funded programs to "blow the whistle" - Unions are extrenious.  They are not NEEDED to ensure the "Safety" of employees, they exist only to negotiate an appropriate number of smoke breaks, and to ensure that the employer is paying out his ARSE for gazeebos, and wages.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the union mentality, if an emplyer makes a profit, he's not paying out enough for the emplyees.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'An English Teachers' Union might have spelled that 'extraneous', though...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'But you might have a point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NEA is a good example of a union who does not know its purpose... they have an entire agenda, from pro-abortion, to gay marriage that has NOTHING to do with the fact that teachers are amongst the most underpaid profession in the country.  the NEA spends MILLIONS of teachers dues each year on these 'extraneous' causes that have nothing to do with helping teachers.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'does arkansas suck?'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like the police, I have a lot of their cds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got it the first time :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was just thinking. the sun being 492 ls from the earth can only be true around perihelion, at aphelion it has to be farther.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the earth is at 490.67 ls at perihelion and 507.34 ls at aphelion...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mean distance being 499.24 ls...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what about the virtual one?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The difference in the distance from the sun and the earth makes for about a 4 degrees difference in average temperature iirc. Right now we are closest sometime in the winter, but this has a 22k year cycle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some people seem to think that the distance from the sun is what causes seasons... it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'seasons are function of the axial tilt of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct. You get a cookie.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the earth didn't wobble we wouldn't have seasons :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But the distance from the sun makes the winters milder and summers hotter  in the northern hemisphere and vice versa in the southern.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I agree. I was just pondering on the answer to the trivia question that the sun was 492 ls away :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm just writing because I am happy I remember something I read :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, that info (22k years et al) came from "Bad Astronomy". Recommend it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was also thinking about time travel :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming that it was possible, if we traveled back in time we would end up in the middle of space :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since the earth, the solar system, the galaxy and the local group (to make a short list) have moved on to other parts of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so time travelers would have to move at right angles to the space-time... piece of cake.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( that was a recording )
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for any of you who are in the mood to feel insignificant: '
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Earths_Location_in_the_Universe_JPEG.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'How is that a debate? You can have sexual relations with anyone you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we had all driven hybrid cars since 2000, 1,445,971,501.65 gallons of gas would have been saved in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or if we'd just driven efficient cars, like honda CRX from 20-30 years ago which still beats most hybrids...or jetta TDIs with WVO...or or or'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or if we rode a horse and buggy instead......'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Perhaps we could already be using nuclear fusion to get to work if the funding was there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'There's probably a lot of people who could be using bicylcles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda like that new hybrid that Ford is making....110 mpg, and about the same size as the prius.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But if we all used unicycles, we could save on rubber too'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'My sides, where hath ye fled?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Crazy idea: Combine fuel efficient car with hybrid technology... probably diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with a diesel hybrid though....the current cost would add about $12,000 over a regular 40 mpg gasoline car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not like locomotives haven't been using diesel generators to run electric motors on wheels practically forever...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diesel electric locomotives also cost hundreds of thousands, and haul freight...so you get your money back :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'go to home depot, grab a cheap-ass generator, plug your Volt into it and see how far you can get :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like hybrids, but the current cost premium makes them not worth it compared to a regular mpg car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if you own more than 1 vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was looking at the current prius plug in....its price premium is almost $8500 more than the regular prius, for a lousy 11 miles of EV.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 2009, I added a plug in to my 2009 prius for $4000.....and doubled the battery size for another $2000....it gave my prius a 26 mile EV mode.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt it costs Toyota more than a local shop to add the plug in to a car :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hybrids are gay'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, such an enlightened view'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that is a part of the reason they haven't caught on yet along with everything else mentioned so far. The south would feel gay driving one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are currently 4% of the market.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Volt was a step in the right direction, except for the price.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they basically bought a generator at home depot and bolted it to the frame......kinda like what abe said.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is there a hybrid volt, or just EV?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a gasoline electric car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok, I thought that one was electric only'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a gasoline generator recharges the batteries which powers the electric motors on each wheel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'extremely efficient and high torque, but really heavy....the car needs to lose 500 lbs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, that's how they should be...engine charging but not propelling...much simpler, much cheaper (whether or not they pass that on to us, of course)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the electric-only cars without a generator may be OK for commuters, but lack of ability to drive distance is too significant until they can standardize on a battery bank which can be swapped out mechanically'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, fuel cell cars using methanol would really good.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use a fuell cell to charge the batteries that run the car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a hydraulic machine to essentially do the rhino propane thing at the gas stations would be great, but all manufacturers would need to standardize, andright now they all think that their sole advantage over competitors is their battery design'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, Tesla wants to set up battery exchange locations on major highways so that Tesla owners can swap out battery packs and keep going.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be great, if all manufacturers could agree on a standard battery....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems unlikely.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, start making them commodity'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are they still using li-ion tech?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I figure 10-15 years before they see the benefit'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would think there would be a standard battery considering the technology is well over 100 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if tesla gets enough of their stations around for market share acceptance, they can probably license their module design to the others'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still like the idea of a fuel cell vehicle though.....extremely efficient, and it can power your house :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are a lot of battery standards.... just not for this, yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If fuel cell technology can be made more efficient, sure, it's a nice battery tecnology.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, like for car, bike, marine and truck batteries, there's a couple sizes and terminal placements but they're pretty standard'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo the trick should be to get batteries energy dense enough to last 2-3 days of use, with a simple enough charging mechanism that you can plug it in at home'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'then you can forget all those charging stations'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without using something like a gas/diesel generator, I don't see that being viable in the near-enough future'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or super fast recharging....then all those gas stations can also sell quick charges.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do have quick-or-slow charging, but the quick charging will NEVER be like filling up with gas'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except maybe at the power plant :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2311740/New-mobile-phone-battery-charge-SECOND.html'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, not even there...the issue is more the heat generated, etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no reason why it shouldn't be possible'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just need more research into battery technology'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just dip the car in liquid nitrogen while you charge. :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lots of excess heat just means that the charging isn't being very efficient'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the reasons for it not being reasonably possible are real physics limitations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummm, that's not even close to true, red'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems to me that we need to move on from chemical based batteries....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just need something better'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lithium ion batteries have been around for what, 30 years?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems to me that using a generator of some kind to produce power to run the car would be the most efficient way to propel a vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a girl I went to grade school with, her grandfather invented one of the earlier implantable pacemakers...then developed the lithium iodide battery to power it which powers pretty much all pacemakers'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'All the police should have to drive hybrids, because fuck them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, hovercrafts are vehicles of disaster.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'can Obama read all e-mails?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'can Ritchie Blackmore play all guitars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'are you saying Obama could read but cant read='
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'No, it was a short way of saying: Yes, given time and opportunity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or perhaps that's what you meant.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if i would be the president of usa, i'd let people to do the reading for me. while me being in a bathtub with 7 naked ladies from each race'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds like you don't worry about getting re-elected'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. the reelection is more convenient that changing every 4 years - it's guaranteed anyway by the illuminati.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there is a red dot on my chest now...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just wipe it off'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its made of light'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'deflect it'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cover it with something black'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get a prism!'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You climb to the top of a clock tower and assemble your rifle.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what if I told you the red dot is controlled by humans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in movies - you raise your index finger and grab the phone. all gets delayed'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'bring a diffraction grating. That will surely confuse the humans that control multiple dots.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '+the'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess gun grabbers are really flippin about Starbucks allowing open and concealed weapon carriers into their stores, in accordance with the law of course. I guess people think it is insensitive?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tough shit...their property, they can allow what they like...don't like it, go elsewhere :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's an apartment complex that's evicting gun-owners if they choose not to get rid of their guns.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'not even their business to know if they have them'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's their business to know if tenants have a dog, so meh :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'apples and oranges'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gun owners aren't all that secret about the fact they have guns.  Some are merely hunters, some have carry permits, and some are legally required to have one on them at all times (ie, police officers).'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under (Missouri) state law, part-time firefighters don't get death benefits if they die in the line of duty.  Should they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I recommend not dying in the line of duty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think they should get what ever it is they signed up for.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'true, but full-time firefighters get lifetime death-benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and that's what they signed up for'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I presume that we are talking about the 19 firefighters that died fighting the forest fire?\'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think so, it was on NPR, but I was exposed via a third-hand accounting (and that in the middle of said accounting so I didn't get all the details).'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe we are thining of the same incident... in which case, the state is going to pay out some special money'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mostly because of the national attention, and the shear magnitude of the tragedy'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even for the part-timers?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just to the families of the 19.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Our right to own a standard military firearm is protected by the Constitution. Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also, fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i own many "military" style guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Your right to own a standard military firearm is not at all protected by the Constitution, silly kid'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'if you actually read through some of these laws they wish to outlaw any firearm that was originally designed as a military weapon. regardless of year of make.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think they should have better laws in place for controlling who  gets a firearm'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Right to bear arms, yeah.  Make no mention of specifics, so it is left to the laws to control that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'how can one effectively defend ones self from the government when we are not equally armed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'duh why would i want defend myself against the government they're suppose to protect me'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Never said you could.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well, if a very unpopular government acts against its citizens with the military'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jkjk'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '..the people in the military may not take the orders.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that may be true but there are certain people I don't trust with a tank, or a B-1 Bomber.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'acutally in 1967 1970 1984 and other supreme court rulings, it is not the duty of any state, local or national police force to protect the citizens, their job is ONLY to pursue suspects after crimes are committed'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is because the law enforcement agencies are not constitutionally backed. Only the sheriff is. Basically police forces are rent-a-cops.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'you got it spot on'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i was wondering if anyone else acutally understood thats what police are for'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Why is that hard to understand?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'that is the difference between officers, sherrifs and their deputies'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Most of the time the police are just looking for crimes, not actively protecting someone like as in a witness protection program.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all you have to notice is that a police chief is hired, the sheriff is elected.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'tell that to the cheif lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the sheriff deputizes his underlings, the police chief hires them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, a sheriff's deputy represents an elected official.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is why the idea of cities contemplating hiring "private" police forces is not a big deal. They already do. The only difference would be that "private" police forces would expect a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what would you recommend as an alternative?'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Police that don't make you want to say "fuck the police"'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure that true criminals would fear or respect such a policeman'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As if they do now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that without police, you will have anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Law abiding citizens should be relived when police arrive. Nowadays the cops you call yourself can end up shooting you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops here shot a fellow just the yesterday, maybe sunday... he called the cops on his neighbors... when the cops got there, the guy who called the cops was on his porch with a gun.  cops told him to put the gun down, but instead, he starts waving it around... end result, cops shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clasic example of what you mentioned:  "Nowadays the cops you call yourself can end up shooting you."'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that guy was a dumbass... unfortunatly, he probobably alread bread'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have plenty of issues with the police in our (USA) society:  many of them are wanna-be rambos who get all suited up in their kevlar vests and wanna bust down doors...  most municipal police officers don't have half the training they should have to do that sort of work.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the alternative is anarchy, and THAT's alot worse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HLS has been pumping a lot of equipment into local police and sherif departments... high speed stuff like armor personnel carriers, helicopters, and hummers'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is all because of the war on drugs which needs to end'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stop and frisk was ruled as unconstitutional, no shit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I am listening on this channel, should the debate actuially shift here'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, nobody turned up for a Climate Change rally in Georgetown'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change and healthcare, the two 'democrat' achilles heels'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration, economy, the other two 'democrat' achilles heels'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*yawn*'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar achilles heels to the ones our lovely conservative/liberal government has here'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's what you get when you feed a mostly dumb public a diet of stupid'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'then stop'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll never stop'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'This afternoon I saw the movie Stanley and Livingstone, from 1939. Tremendous cast -- Spencer Tracy, Cedric Hardwick, Walter Brennan, Charles Coburn. Thing is, it's attitudes about blacks in 'darkest Africa' were so obsolete and condescending that it was difficult to watch here in 2013. Still, it was compelling. One hell of a good adventure movie. Not sure where I was going with all that. Just musing, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, hmm, apparently we've cracked the Al Qaeda communications code.  I wonder how long ago it was, seeing as how CNN just told the world about it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shivre: 'And 10 seconds after revealing it debated whether it should have been made public'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shivre: 'cnn kills me'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shades of GW1, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/14/terrifying-voice-on-the-other-end-of-hacked-baby-monitor-wake-up-allyson-you-little/'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debacle surrounding the media response to the missouri obama rodeo clown guy makes the whole nation look like a banana republic full of retards. The only good thing to come out of it will be the healthy check he'll get when he sues for wrongful dismissal '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'how is he going to be able to sue?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's clearly not in breach of contract, hasn't broken any laws, why would he be fired?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't know of that case, but did he have a contract?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he's been fired it would suggest he has'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in many places, employers don't actually need a reason to fire you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being fired means you're employed, not that you have a contract'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, they dont want he to work there, they let him go, and in the brief article i just read, he can get his job back if he takes sensitivity training'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any country that has any form of sensible employment law you do, i don't know about USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I disagree heartily, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was a rodeo clown that wore a mask of Obama.  The announcer (who was also fired) asked the crowd if they wanted to see Obama gored/trampled by a bull.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, if someone wants to fire you, thats up to them, if we start sueing because we get fired, it is going to make things in this country even worse'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly wasn't a firing offence, and firing him is just a political reaction'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, though, unless you have a contract, there needn't be any offense to be fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it was the state fair officals, i am sure they got tons and tons of complaints'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well IF he had a contract, he can sue, if he didn't have a contract, then he still shouldn't have been fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if you go to work, and you get a thousand complaints, i am pretty sure your boss will not be happy with you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, the crowd loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course the fucking crowd loved it'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was funny, it was kinda his job'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the people complaining weren't even at the fair.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there was outrate and applause, so it went both ways'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Jay Leno get fired for taking the piss out of the president?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have comedians over the last 50 years got fired or investigated by the justice department, NAACP and secret service for taking the piss out a president?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is so completely beyond ridiculous that I can scarcely believe it's real'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to look up a UK TV program that ran in the 80s and 90s called "Spitting Image"'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno about comedians...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it would be the same thing only the other way if the guy was wearing a reagan mask.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people used to take the piss out of Reagan all the time, ditto with Bush'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a student did get suspended, though, for debating on the side against Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was no witch hunt'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither should there have been'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it doesnt bother that obama was mocked at all, so i really dont care, but i for sure dont think he should be able to sue.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of political correctness and a liberal media witchhunt a man has lost his livelihood, you're OK with that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'a bunch of people in charge of the fair decided they did not want him to be employed there any more, i am fine with that. yes, thats how jobs work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it should be said that, despite the name and makeup, a rodeo clown's job is not to be funny...it's not a comic relief job, it's a very serious safety one'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'your b oss does not like you? Guess what is going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should boycott that rodeo'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone who gives a shit will...they won't notice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'heh, now thats just nonsense, your bitching about one person losing their job'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and you want to hurt EVERYONE attached to the rodeo over it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'um..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, thats the end of this conversation, have a good one '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not nonsense, it's how you "vote" to organizations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, abe, it's what got Starbucks to move a little on paying UK tax'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but Blonk wouldn't have done anything because it might have hurt the workers at Starbucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vote with your wallet...but it also only works if people who would otherwise patronize them agree with you strongly enough to also vote that way'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not prepared to vote with your wallet, you might as well dig your own grave and lie in it right now since nothing will ever change, and shit will only ever get worse'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just hope someone else comes through for that guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'To 'vote with your wallet you must per force vote Democrat. Bush, Bush, and Reagan had collapses in economy, and in deficit. Deficits down under Clinton and Obam'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'To live like a Republican you must vote like a Democrat!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Quote by Harry Truman, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you want to look at the deficits: Democrats generally initiate the permanent high cost programmes, then Republicans don't remove them, and sometimes help them grow. Both sides participated in cutting corporate taxes over a 30 year period. Neither party takes tax havens seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty obvious that both parties are the same. Exactly the same is true in the UK. Need entirely new people'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Under Clinton, the last bits of Glass-Steagal were repealed, he blocked regulation of derivatives and set up pretty things like the commodity futures modernization act.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Without those decisions, there would hardly have been a financial crisis in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'What is the biggest deficit program in history Tinanda? Medicare Part D! Givaway to pharma, tiny help to seniors! Bush!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not counting Obamacare, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'only because ACA will REDUCE the deficit ...... All nuetral economists agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't exist yet, so can't comment on how much it "did" cost...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't reduce anything, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'including CBO'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'nuetral'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under Obamacare, everyone's rates go up because the insurance companies cannot get rid of or otherwise segregate to higher-cost plans a demographic inherently designed to force rates up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think you will find that medicare d isn't really #1.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, I know all the conservative lies. Just also know better than to actually believe them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rates have already gone up significantly because of ACA, full time hours have been cut back to 30 hours and jobs have eben lost'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the facts on the ground'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will have care based upon economics, not need, it's the worst combination of the American and British models'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'HMOs write large.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'The rates in NY have been cut almost in half'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted universal health care you should have just brought in a tax-funded basic health insurance package run by the state'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You might also ask why the US "health care" system is twice as expensive as typical western european system which have universal coverage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'rate only up in states where conservatives blocked the insurance competition'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like California?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that well known conservative hotbed'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'California does not begin implementation of ACA until October'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'THEN we will see'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rates have gone up ahead of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Because the exchanges have not been set up yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imposition of a fake market where the government picks the winners really isn't going to help'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I know conservative are desperate to get ACA repealed before it can actually be enacted. Because then everyone will KNOW what liars they are'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus California is beyond broke.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in exactly the same way as privatising the water, electric, and railways in the UK didn't lead to lower prices, investment, or innovation'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what did they do with all those exemptions to ACA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, ordinary working people will suffer because of a terribly thought out wacked out collectivist plan. as per normal'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'yawn More conservative talking points. You obviously believe everything FoxLiarNews tells you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get fox news here'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'yeah right'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US media is worse than UK media'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If it had been a properly thought out collectivist plan, it might have worked, though. That would admittedly require destroying the health insurance companies in favour of a utomatic federal insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Tinada, that might have worked, or a parallel system also would have worked'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you have is a subversion of markets, it's a horrid fascist scheme to put monopolies in the hands of a few pharma corporations'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably political donors'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and medicare d was about half the size of medicare a and b last time I checked, not that it matters much - bar massive printing, all of those programmes are pretty much doomed to fail'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree Tinanda, but Repub would NEVER allow and 'socialized' system to pass. Obama HAD TO compromise with essentially the FRC plan'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In this case it is not really certain that the compromise was better than doing nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Tinada, "I can't get what I want, so i'm going to ruin it for EVERYONE"'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, the administration either didn't really understand the issues involved, or feared what the insurance companies would do had they told the truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Tinanda, Medicare A & B are NOT givaways to corporations like D is'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think the feds should just piss off and let the states sort out their own healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's none of their business'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'A & B are gov run, D is Pharma run, with HUGE profits from gov subsidy to them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The overall system design is a failure of genuinely epic proportions, so debating which subsystem favours group x given the existence of the system is of limited interest imo. To the more general point: Both parties suck.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'largest deficit program gov ever put in. GWB'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still irrelevent, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'A 7 B are FAR more efficient than private insurance versions!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'According to treasury figures, the net funding shortage for medicare b is much higher than the shortage for d'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it makes you feel better, the UK health system is about to implode'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No kidding. Who is refusing to fund it? Who wants to make it private so Insurance Co's can bloat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'qt'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK healthcare also sucks pretty badly'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It was my impression that the federal government regulates these payments, and chose to keep them at unsustainably low levels.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Chose to? Have you WATCHED Congress recently?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Line up all the nutrition researchers against a wall and shoot them, then fund serious challenges to the diet-heart-wannabe-hypothesis. Then you might see a change in the underlying cost drivers :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Pacifist solutions are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nutrition researchers are not to blame for high pharma costs'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have little if anything to do with alopathic medicine'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Unless I am very much mistaken, representatives and senators can choose to do what is best for the country, as long as they are ok with not being reelected.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep, pure greed by Pharma ...... greatest profits ever for them, big crash and burn for Part D'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If nutrition researchers as a group did science instead of bad statistics, people would eat different food and have fewer western lifestyle diseases, thus reducing costs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'While I haven't checked detailed US figures, I expect a clear majority of the expenses are related to lifestyle diseases, most of which are avoidable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't pin that only on nutritionists, Tinada, pharma, politicians alike use bad stats'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the total healthcare system costs are 16% of GDP, 2/3 of the costs are lifestyle diseases and 75% of those diseases are avoidable, the changes will save you so much money you can fight a four front war forever and still have no deficit, I think..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention all those patented pharma products that are statistically insignificantly better over natural remedies'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think I can blame all those researchers who either (a) went with the post McGovern-consensus to promote their careers or (b) went with same because they were clueless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statistics are used indiscriminantly to promote an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'exclusively might be a better term there'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest pharma fraud is SSRi's and the mass medication of an entire generation'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu and HPLV vaccines are other good examples'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'To a significant extent, the problem with the nutrition research is that most of it is statistics, rather than physiology, endocrinology and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some is'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that a lot of instutions and organizations use observational studies to make guidelines for what to eat. Observational studies can only be used to form a hypothesis, but to confirm that hypothesis, you need a intervention study.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'During the past 30-odd years it has been shown conclusively that you can use any kind of study (or faith) to make those guidelines :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, even guesses seem to be an ok method.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government policies are often based on terrible stats and observational studies, there are times where they'll run multiple studies until one turns up findings that fits their policy direction'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they start to 'rely' on these studies so much that ideology goes out of the window'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you then end up with bat-shit crazy stuff like banning branding on cigarette packets because some fucked up study claims it will save 12 lives a year'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or thinking that a low fat grain diet is healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grains are bad for you, aren' they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether red wine is good or bad for you depends on how many vowels are in the name of the day of the week'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For details, I recommend "Wheat Belly".'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i have ibs, so i'm reasonably knowledgeable about such things'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is also nothing that shows that saturated fat is bad, but a lot of studies seem to indicate the opposite. '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'According to the latest psychiatry manual recognised by the US government, wanting to come off your medication in itself is a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only fat that is shown to be bad is omega-6 (yep, that's the main fat source in the SAD).'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also questioning government too much, I gather.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can eat a plate of chips fried in beef dripping and be fine, ranrr, i eat a small cake made in a factory with fake fats and i get the shits'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'questioning authority period, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It seems like too much total pufa is bad for you too, but in practice the "too much" part is always o-6, so the studies might not differentiate well'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, there is nothing in grains that you need.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Tinada, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's organic and home grown for me, while it is still legal to source your own food'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like you read the same info as me, Tinada :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'gluten! amylopectin a! wheat germ agglutinin! what's not to love..? besides some of the opiate receptors in my brain need wheat'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that why i get an occasional craving for toast?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Anyone got a link to one of these studies about grain? I am interested, never heard that before'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Could be, I don't know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Search for "wheat belly", there is a blog and some youtube presentations.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The book has all the references, but I only have it as an audio book....'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, check out "Sugar: The bitter truth" by Robert Lustig on youtube. Awesome way to get off sugar. He also has a book that goes into details (with complete scientific references).'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get no migraines since avoiding aspartame'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish that was true for me, but I still get migraines despite a paleo diet. They are less severe, though. '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting enough magnesium?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I supplement. Tried q10 as well.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have money invested in ''''
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it any better when you're away from electric/phone/wifi sources?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I still get them when I am out sailing, so probably no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've only been paleo for a year, so I still need to give it some time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, despite some claims, paleo does not sure all ailments.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well you have to just try and research/try things, health service here is useless for such things'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Here too. They just give me the drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you can look forward to with ACA, American dudes, pharma'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Doctor here tried to stick me on SSRi's for a chronic back condition'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda fucked up since i went in looking for some physio'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same thing there, they just give me the drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which I really, really try to avoid taking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they have no cause pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they give you drugs when they don't know the cause? that is SO like healthcare here!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Getting stronger seems to work though. And losing 35 kgs sure helped.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stress link?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N_s-9aLJdLU'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orrus: 'should heathen invalids be allowed to blare their repetive redundant music whilst in the midst of the tranquil serenity that is my divine presence?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orrus: 'or should they be deprted and forced to return to dante's inferno from whence they came?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what music?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So the Rodeo Clown with the Obama mask on got fired. What a bunch of thin skinned cowards and pussy bitches liberals are.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't like Obama, and I love rodeos, but it's innappropriate and disrespectful to run over the president with a bull...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'satire, and the office of the President have always been a popular combination....  I think Reagan and Nixon are perhaps the most lampooned presidents of all time'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neither of the Bushs, Ford, Clinton or Carter were very popular targets'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But what makes Obama immune to that kind of satire? Many rodeo clowns have worn masks of Bush and even Hilary clinton. Does being black make you immune to criticism? That's fucking bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your just now getting that? heh..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've been aware, this is just another example of the left's race baiting tactics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fine art of being a victim, and how to leverage it to your advantage'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Almost as fine as the art of victim bashing'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can someone be a "victim", without a "victim basher"?... of course, you can alway manufacture the circumstance which made you a victim, so I guess so.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'When laws increase crime, are there more criminals? '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obama sucks ass.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I forgot to mention this obama presidency is the reason we have all of this race baiting rubbish going on. he divided america along with his kool aid drinking cult of supporters that just call out racism every time someone disagreed with his stupid ideas and policies. I cannot wait till this divider in chief is out of office. But brace yourselves if hillary becomes the next president it will be the same thing but with pitting women against men.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Gay sex is harder to watch than regular sex'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Wow I'm winning all kinds of debates today:)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you saying that gay guys have harder boners than straight guys?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'depends on how gay they are I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Blonk starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That cricket chirp is the sound of the police being respectable human beings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, how long have you been in jail, DeathSyte?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have not spent even a single night in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what's with you and the police, then?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Mornings' another thing, then?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, he gets nabbed at dawn and released at sunset :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'For that, fornicate the police. XD'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have had and seen nothing but bad interaction with the modern day paramilitary police of Amerika'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no quarrel with that, but police is police everywhere. The only difference about the US police is that they like to tell people that they are different :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm just saying, if any country should have more oversight to police behavior and conduct it should be America.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why is that? Are US citizens more entitled to have their human rights preserved than others?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i think this could go a long way. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/nyregion/order-that-police-wear-cameras-stirs-unexpected-reactions.html?_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Anaristos, the police have been doing much less to protect our rights in their militarized state than they have to protect them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I meant...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the police have been doing much less to protect our rights in their militarized state and more to infringe upon them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is not news. That is the way police operate. Here, there, everywhere. Now, then and in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if they were all forced to wear cameras and held accountable for their actions things could change.. Could'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem has more to do with the way humans behave. They run in packs and they allow the police precedence. Instinctively, the police are treated as alphas and they act as if they were.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though that's true of government, in general.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what humans have to do is to get rid of their instinctive need for hero worship.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I have a healthy contempt for anyone who think they are my betters :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take Egypt, currently. They are not fighting over freedom or anything as noble as that, they are fighting over who will they bow to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after the issue is settled and they have acquired a new master, the only difference will be the number of bodies they had to bury.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'good points Anaristos. But my point is that it is rather easy to find shitty cops by their actions, so we should just fire said police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not arguing the point :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am pointing out that it is too late for that. If we tried to oust the police, they would turn on us. They have in the past, at any rate.  All they have to do is claim that their position in society is "sacred", that "law and order" is equal to "freedom". Though how they can come up with such oxymoron escapes me :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, one major thing that needs to change is for profit prison systems, privately owned money pits, which is linked to so much corruption it is insane'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you come down to it, the only equation that holds true is: anarchy = freedom. Though the connotations are subject to big debates :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, prisoners could invoke their 14USAmend rights. But, fat chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, putting prisoners to work for scrap wages might be a violation of 13USAmend.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oop, it's not a violation: Here is the caveat for the 13th Amendment... "... except as punishment for a crime".'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so people in jail can be treated as slaves and it doesn't violate any rules.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That does not mean States can't make it illegal to do that to prisoners however.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but... fat chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But from a fiscal standpoint they'd be crazy not to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what state wants to pay minimum wages for punching out license plates?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'prison work saves them millons in wages.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'millions*'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I see, so you're saying that collective human nature is responsible for most of the bad in this world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who or what else can be blamed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe the bill of rights is working better than I thought an not worse. It's a good document for at least attempting to keep our government in check.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'current humans claim to be civilized, and their claim holds true as long as "civilized" is held to a narrow definition :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I was agreeing with you. It does not mean we can fix little problems here and there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'can't*'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with the US constitution (in its original  form, save some minor details such as the support for slavery).'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is wrong with the US constitution is the rendering the is done each time a political faction needs their actions validated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/15/rand_paul_slams_congress_for_aiding_egypt_how_does_your_conscience_feel_now'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen them a couple of times, they always put on a good show'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a UK court rules that a man with learning difficulties can be forcibly sterilised'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was in the news today'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nazis took over the UK today'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'BNP'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took over the UK a long time ago, they just did it considerably more quietly and less obviously than they're doing in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'I really don't have much to say to that TN, except it's dumb and wrong. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear of the couple that had their 2 year old, healthy, happy daughter kidnapped by CPS because a neighbour grassed on them for smoking dope. Within 6 months of her being snatched she'd been beaten to death by the CPS's chosen fosterparents?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or did you hear about the Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Egypt pushing christian kids off the top of buildings and burning down churches?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'speaking of which http://tinyurl.com/l5yuusl'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Roninleader, that is the sort of people that US administrations of both ilks allies itself with'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'I'm not sure why it's considered hate speech to say that Islam is a seriously messed up religion. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not hate speech, though it's not really true either'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'only because that puts it in the same category with all religions'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'religion is just self-deception on a grand scale'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if Tigernuts is not trolling false information), perhaps that judge deserves to be convicted for crimes against humanity and then hanged by the neck until almost dead (then drawn and quartered) -- (unless there are extenuating circumstances)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Well, most religions don't try to remove body parts or end your life if you diagree with them'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Now, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'most have a past'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and, I fear, a future'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is often a terrorist religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Since it's inception, Islam has always been thus'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Koran is an inspirational how-to book of terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'have you read it Zade? because I have. it is gleefully misinterpretted for convenience, just like the bible'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Whig, you should check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Ayaan is a female atheist and ex muslim.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'She says Islam is the world's greatest problem'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Her solution? She says Christians can and need to convert Muslims to Christianity, for the sake of humanity'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Imagine my surprise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'snort'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'RL, Islam will have to increase cruelty for some centuries before beginning to match Christianity's glorious history'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religions and big government are essentially the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'the only true 'root of evil' is self-deception. Man's great ability to believe what is convenient, without any real evidence, because he wants to'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'religion, and it's political equivalent, conservatism, are masters of selling self-deception'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is a point of view, not an equivalent to religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'reconsider that statement after you read it back TN'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is not a political equivalent to religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Both sell dogma .... belif based on the wish to believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've read it back, what you said isn't correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's -any- political party'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservative party has a set of policies based on what they believe is an appropriate way to govern society, labour party likewise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Noppe, conservatism is just what the roots of the word mean ..... we know what is right, because we have always know it was right. Liberalism is 'not set theology, find the eclectic solution'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both those and religion have a set of rules and ethics it considers correct, and sells or enforces it using a combination of co-ercision, upbringing, tuition, brainwashing, and/or fear/force'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a bizarre point of view, whig, not shared by anyone outside some of the wackier parts of the communist party'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, you said it again ..... the 'believe', not they find evidence .... they just 'believe becaue they WANT TO!  Religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes for any ideology, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'exactly Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'errr, tn'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri giggles.
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'that is why liberalism spurns ideology'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberalism, not Liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Liberalism is NOT ideological, though your conservative masters pretent it is'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the brand of 'liberalism' put forward by the democrat party, which their supporters claim they support is not liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about true liberals, Liberals, like the founders'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'They look for eclectic solutions to problems. Not even close to the 'communism' your talking points oriented arguers try to paint it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Communism was never successful on any grand scale, and no one I know thinks it ever can be'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately the term "liberal" has been usurped by worshippers of Obama who are absolutely anything but liberal'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'religion, government, labor, liberalism, conservitivism, boy scouts, masons, hitler, mickey mouse, save the whales, drill for oil, wholesale infanticide, burn the gays, vote for bob, let's go back to the moon, higher taxes, let's smoke a joint, melt down all the guns, make islam the state religion.....    Blah blah blah.... it's NEVER been about what is 'right', and what is wrong, rather - it's all about WHO DECIDES what is right or wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i consider myself a liberal by the original definition, hence libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't effectively debate an issue unless you have the right man in the right spot to DECIDE.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the normal left-right description of people's opinions is completely useless'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you need decided, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Oops, BRB, afk'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the India perspective, Islam was very barbaric'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, since this is the modern age, there is no excuse for Islam to continue to be barbaric'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any religious system or government, rules can be interpretted and barbarity can ensue'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam is best left to it's own devices, you could help calm down it's excesses by stopping the military action, stop supporting terrible regimes like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, and stop pecking at Iran'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that UK judge described by Tigernuts seems to be barbaric or at least very "nazi"'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be better had the US and UK not perpetrated the coup that ousted the SECULAR Iranian regime in Iran in the 50s, but ho hum'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zade, very much so'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a disease that must be stopped'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to contain it first, and you do that by doing what i said. What our governments are currently doing is essentially exacerbating/spreading it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, fast food workers in Nyc calling for 107% payrise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need something like that here, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spit it out, vl'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I often type "debate" while I think about what to type... 20 minutes later, long after I've forgotten what it was I was going to type, I come back and type the next command without clearing "debate" from the command line... ergo... I sent non-sense to the channel.  Sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to bring up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was watching the islam debate... had a few thoughts, but it would only feed the bears - and the bears are plenty fat already'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't subscribe to the 'all islam is evil' camp, it's just a stupid and simplistic argument that shows lack of understanding of the history and purpose of islam, and religion in genral'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will offer that reaching into the history bag to justify a particular line of rational doesn't work.  Everyone, every group, and every nation has skeletons, and has made mistakes, or behaved in a fashion that was acceptable for the time, but does not pass current PC filters.... we have to evaluate issues based on current merit and current idealogies - we can look at history for trends, and for precedent, but not for justification.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to say that Christianity has a sorid and bloody history would be correct.  To say that that justifies what some muslims are doing today is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, absolutely, but to say it's all islam doing it is also wrong'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really only the side of islam that the west is propping up'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who is doing it more?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like we're funding the bad guys or something (which clearly we are)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in current times - who kills more in the name of religion that islam?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the extreme sunnhi's (wahabis?) that want a single state under sharia law that is blowing shit up, Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sunnhis are the ones cutting fingers off and screwing rights in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, Qatar'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counterintuitively it's the shi'ites that would 'appear' to be the more reasonable right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet they're the ones we're imposing sanctions on and threatening with nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so work that one out'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in their hearts, it is all about power, and has very little to do with religion.  they were the koran and islam like a holy cloak of justification, when it's really all about greedy pld men who want to call the shots.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, hence the whole big government = religion thing i brought up earlier'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need to go make some sawdust - later.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest episode had me pissing myself laughing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wsqr1i8MHKw'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a really old salt flats lake in Bolivia that dates back to the super continent of Pangea....and it has about $60 billion of lithium carbonite in the salty soil...about 50% of the worlds known reserves of the important inorganic compound.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US and Chinese troops on the way as you speak, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, while searching for oil and gas in Wyoming, a HUGE lithium carbonite deposit was found....it could supply the US with lithium for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that part of the US was covered with a shallow sea millions of years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lake agazi... now the red river of the north'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US imports about 80% of its lithium needs right now, the rest is mined at an ancient salt flat sea deposit located in Nevada.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't really need much, not like you make much in the way of electronics in the US'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new lithium deposit in Wyoming could be worth about $500 billion at current prices.  The search is on for new deposits of lithium worldwide...the price has risen about 15% a year for the last 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concentrated localization of mineral deposits of strategic materials may indicate (even validate) the existence of a God or Extraterrestrial influnce'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lithium is used for medicine also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bipolar people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in tiny amounts, and is oversubscribed'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was talk of them adding lithium to the public water supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chronic Lithium usage is unhealthy for the kidneys'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first they fuck people up with fluoride, next lithium!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or hot bubbling lava rock deposits the minerals via natural processes....thus no god needed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but something concentrated the minerals in the hot lava rock'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if lithium was found in the brine water deposits in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Lithium is too "rare" to be put into the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have just as much salty water underground as we do fresh water.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(do not misuse the royal "we" - perhaps run to the toilet - weeweeweewee)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: ''God' may have started it, but evolution of the natural world, and space keeps things going.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'change is inevitable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strategic mineral concentrations indicate a "divine" influence'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is enough lithium in that one deposit in Bolivia to create batteries for about 4 billion vehicles.....and the new one in Wyoming US, about 40 billion vehicles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '44 billion electric vehicles that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even if the mineral concentrations came from comets and asteroids,  something (extraterrestrial) concentrated those minerals into those comets and asteroids'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'South America won natures mineral wealth lottery.....and the eartquake/volcano one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of volcanoes worldwide, but not all of them produce specific large concentrations of strategic minerals'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, llamas are perfectly adapted to the high elevations of the Andes.....and the meat is tasty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(sicko)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 million years ago, north and south america finally linked together thanks to those volcanoes, and the diversity of animals exploded.....evolution at work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bank of England sold 1300 tons of gold belonging to other countries in April in order the crash the gold market'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the US bought 1000 tons of gold cheap, and stored it at the deactivated nuclear waste depository in Nevada...the govt turned it into a big bunker for Armageddon'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nuclear waste depository was the front so that the bunker could be financed publicly, without having to use black ops money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz... what's your basis for that statement?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no basis, just thought it was interesting, since we spent $14 billion building the yucca mountain complex to store the nuclear waste, and cant use it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'incompetance, to be sure... but as for nefarious intent, well... get out the tin foil'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be a pretty good site for a secure bunker though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the american government has spent more on continuity of government (bunkers etc) than all other countries in the world combined'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, some treasure hunters found a shitload of british silver off the british coast......and the hunters get to keep 80% of it...and the brits are paying for the $20 million in expenses to find it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the Swiss have built a bunker for EVERY swiss citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US doesn't intend saving anyone past the utter essential upper crust core'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so US treasure hunters find $300 million in british silver, and talked the brits into paying for it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a bad deal though....the british mint is going to make silver coins from the find......and the worth will probably be around $1 billion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those silver bars are huge though.....80 lb silver bars...'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the bank of england and other financiers crashed the gold/silver market, that makes them worth about $20 each'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nazis sank the ship off the UK during the war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a home depot in Chile....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Egypt was a bad deal... like being REALLY hungry, and all that's ready at the McDonalds is the 'Big Fish' sandwich. '
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love that mcfish sandwich...with lettuce, cheese, and drowning in tartar sauce!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 slices of my tomato'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'ewww'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you don't at least TRY to influence the outcome to be favorable to you, you get stuck with a random result.  but when the only choice is between a turkey gravy flavored soda, and a melted marshmellow sause on your tators, you likely won't be happy regardless'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some bacon also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the travesty is clinging to what proves to be the wrong choice long after it is obvious that things AREN'T going your way'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'lets debate about something real. like. is piracy really crime?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep.. I belive it is'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blackbeard piracy ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're getting something you didn't pay for, and someone isn't getting the money they expect for said item'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's illegal, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though, there is a fine line between piracy (high seas) and priveteering'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'think about it. if they took online activation away. there more people would buy the games and less people would pirate'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that model has proven weak... the industry is doing what ever it can to make as much money as they can... if the "no activation" model would sell more games, they would use it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piracy is a crime that is best solved by ignoring it and adapting'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure theat their respective marketing departments have determined that "free and open " distrobution would not result in more sales'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure worked well for the music industry.....now they sell singles online for 30 cents of the profits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'music, movies and tv is a small industry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'but trying to stop it is just incouraging the pirates to pirate? is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ONLY aspect of online piracy that I would consider grey is the "try befor you buy" approach... bootleg the game to see if it's worth playing, then MAYBE buy a legit copy'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piracy has already been nullified by the likes of spotify, itunes, and youtube'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but even that is stealing... some games are so bad that the only money they make is from people who get duped into buying it in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering 95% of games suck, no way I will buy one for $50 to find out it sucks and you cant take it back to the store.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... it's tough to return software'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there should be a legit way to do returns'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'I would totaly start buying my games if I don't need to take my computer over to the Neighbours all the time to get it activated and updated just to play'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There wouldnt be a problem if they opened up their own secondary market stores......if they did it right, they could put the current ones out of business.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know, the givernment (USA) will set you up with a broadband connection for $9.99 a month if you can't afford one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then they would get a cut of the used market, and still sell new games.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'Wow? really? thats amazing its such a shame that I don't LIVE IN AMERICA'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my junior's school is going to electronic text books this year... laptops for every child.  thing is, they require an internet connection, and there are A LOT of chillen in the ghetto who aint got no internet.... so they are all getting it for $9.99 a month.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be much cheaper to wifi the city.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never mind that the school didn't hire any additional techs... they are adding 980 new computers to the system, and no new personnel... fail in the making'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh ... and "each child will ensure that they come to school with a FULLY charged laptop...."  NEW, the battery lasts about 4 hours... after a couple months, that will be down to about 2.5 hours.... 2.5 hours of text books, then schools out for the day'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'hahaha. then school will rock!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and no replacement parts on hand... no batteries, no power cords, no replacement screens, no 'float' computers.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they can't charge them in school?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '980 laptops?  each classroom has four to eight outlets, and fire code will not allow power distrobution bars'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, fail in the making then, as you said'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will be like the airports... children sitting out in the halls doing computer work at the hallway outlet'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and not just one, but many. What if they drop them or break them somehow? If they are stolen? It's not hard to take a laptop from a child.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'few steal math books though'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'm going to have to crawl out of the cave and go to a school board meeting or two... they let go 6 teachers - I'm sure the money for the laptops came out of a different budget, but still... seems like a priority issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, my old high school did an upgrade that quadrupled the amount of power outlets in the rooms, and put in perm lab like tables and chairs.....each spot has a power cord, and a ethernet connection.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the computers themselves are HEAVILY personalized, as in laser etched chasis with school logo... they are also lojacked.  Not evey one who is dumb enough to steal one will be able to disable that'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they use tablets instead of laptops now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'those that steal things aren't always thinking things through'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... I have a bet with my child that three months into the school year, there will be atleast 20% of each class that is "textbook-less" for some reason (theft, battery, broken, etc...)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'school emailed me for a donation to the tech fund to upgrade more rooms.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My feeling on this is that the school administration is going for the "we're the cool school" points'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer small town schools'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is still plenty of worth in a plain old text book.... OH!  and no site licences for the material... the school has to individually pay for each and every copy they run.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ONLY argument that has been made in regards to cost is that the digital versions of the text books cost 12% less than the paper copies'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is crap'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GCI alaska just installed a 3rd fiberoptic line from kodiak to the mainland......even faster speeds now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you on kodiac island?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paper copies do not cost $9.99 per month'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I prefer Texas most of the year, but summers in alaska are nice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the $9.99 a month was just for plain old internet access, Zade... not the digital text books'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the text books are "interactive", which in the case of the history text book means that there are advertizements running in the margin.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'digital textbooks is a bad idea......:p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'advertising up coming shows on the history channel, or blueray box sets of past shows'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I managed to graduate college without ever buying a new book......used text books are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'hahaha xD'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the advantage (if any) of blue-ray over ordinary dvd'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it helps if you have a good tv.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluray is encoded with a buffer so that it won't skip/be unreadable like how DVDs tend to be.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'woaw, so blue ray can't get scratched? and you miss half the movie?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it can still get scratched.  They're made out of the same materials, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueray also hold 4x the info compared to regular dvds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scratched dvd storage loss is worse than vcr storage '
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'but its less able to skip parts because of scratches?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluray is essentially a HDD without all the extra hardware protecting the disk.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what extra hardware'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the metal housing and circuit board.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems the dvd manufacturers deliberately use soft scatchable plastic'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'Lol. they want us to buy it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'duck dynasty is a decent show'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'i like it. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering it is a scripted reality show, it is funny. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "scripted reality" is a fancy phrase for "contrived documentary"'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it just means WWE without the wrestling, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, si is so dope, that he thinks he is illegal in 55 states....:p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 shots of double expresso sounds dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Saw" movie series indicates (a world with) the non-existence or absence of "God", or an attempt to provoke God, any god, into vengeful action'
T3/r7/2013-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ironic justice: chaining the scriptwriters of Saw into their own sequel: "Saw - chopped diced minced scriptwriters" '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you do when a democratic process has been usurped by terrorists, do you support it's overthrow, or do you side with the terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'lets not call them terrorists, lets call them coocoo-people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'One that gives off terror'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism: 1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was referring mainly to the Egypt situation, but it could also be applied to the USA situation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the attack on journalism, tea-partyers, libertarians, veterans, dissidents, certainly conforms to definitions, all three of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but yeah. i bet they love being called terrorist. call them crazy. thats what they are anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hence the question, what's the appropriate thing to do?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the US government, by claiming that terrorists has targeted the US, is committing an act of terrorism :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on whether it was accurate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would rather say that the terrorism they do in the middle east is the problem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US has never experienced true terrorism. They wouldn't have to tell the people, the people would know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorism is being afraid to step on a sewer lid. Terorrism is being afraid to walk by a paper bag, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorism is being afraid to go out after sunseet'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the reaction to Egypt?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's not terrorism, that's just a bit of fighting on the streets :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The armed forces took power with the some invisible help.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now the people realized they got screwed and it is too late.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that a good thing or a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is never a good thing to use force to remove a democratically elected government.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even when that democratically elected government usurped power and became terroristic?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler was elected 'democratically''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even so. You still have other options. General strike, for one thing. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US president is elected democratically, and uses terror as a method all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you are saying that being a terrorist is more ethical than being 'elected'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't argue that, Tigernuts. The saving grace is that he won't be around forever. Not without really trampling the rules. If that happens and the people allow it, well, then they will deserve it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Egyptian elections were deeply flawed, and those flaws were realised when the muslim brotherhood rode roughshod over everyone to force through an authoritarian agenda'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, Anaristos, Egypt wasn't about the election, i was about the consitution'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it couldn't just be 'undone' after 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The cost of democratic elections is that sometimes the people will elect, what you consider, the wrong person.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'As I pointed out the other day, the problem with people is that they are not looking for someone to manage the country, they are looking for someone to (hero) worship.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be like obama drafting a new constitution, forcing it through by dictat, and coding it such that future governments of any kind couldn't repeal or ammend it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's fine, Ranrr. That is what democracy is all about. If the people are willing to put up with a bad government, so be it. As long as they are allowed to remove it at the end of the allotted time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreeed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people removed it in this case BEFORE the allotted time'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are talking about Egypt, that is not the case. They didn't remove the government at the polls, and that misstep is bearing fruit now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polls are irrelevent, you don't need an election to force recall'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could have done it by general strike, they could have stayed home and archived the same thing in a more resounding way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did have a general strike'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you follow the story?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did have? why isn't in stil on?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'still*'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military gave the government a deadline within which to address the issues, they refused, the military stepped in'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not a general strike, that's a coup d'etat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in a general strike, the population refuses to go to work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and what are they supposed to do, starve?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how egalitarian of you'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all because you have some overinflated sense of the importance of democracy, when in reality it is a deeply DEEPLY flawed method of government'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cuba is a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people have the power if they are willing to pay the price. If they are concerned with their morning coffee more that their civil rights, they are hardly in a position to complain.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they paid the price, the price is the army on the streets'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the price is the risk of military not relinquishing power'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they had any sense, people would be rebuilding the political structures that were completely absent following the overthrow of Mubarrak that allowed the Muslim Ragheads to seize power in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the entire population has to be willing to die otherwise they can't win. I don't mean they all have to die, but they all have to be willing to give their all. If a 1000 people die, another 1000 should replace them until they archive their goals.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if they think that price is too high, they have lost.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'history tells us that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think they're doing now? just that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then we shall see :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all we have to look for is foreign agitators :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the american military led a coup against obama, that would also be interesting (it's also not going to happen because they're mostly bought off)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'most people aren't willing to fight for anything, were you in a military or militia that is active anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is already external agitators'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no :) Actually I am in the pay of the US armed forces :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note to the US armed forces: "never promote Anaristos"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not in the military, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anaristos is all primed to be a jack booted prison guard and exterminator of political prisoners'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was reminded of a case a few years back when a couple had their 7 yr old child stolen by CPS because they were judged unfit parents because they'd taught their kid to distrust government'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in actuality it was retaliation because the ex-decorated narcotics officer father had left the force and gone about investigating bent cops as a citizen journalist and had recently caught the town police chief in a stealing-money-from-evidence ting'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sting*'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the downside to localised law enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest study finds the US actual debt is somewhere between $70tn and $211tn'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clock remains at $16tn only through using opaque and semi-legal accounting practices in order to keep most of it off the balance sheets (in the same way as multinational corporations do in order to minimise tax)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont always laugh my ass off in the middle of a debate, but when i do it is because i was just told dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By whom?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'an adult'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just sad. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's never good to mix debate with religion, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'But hans, there is evidence that it is true, didnt you know?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sad thing is, there are adults that believe this to be true without being religious. They're just ignorant and uneducated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Debate and religion should ALWAYS be mixxed. Otherwise sel-deception goes completely unchallenged and is imposed on each generation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'self-deception'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing should be off the table with debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crocodiles are essentially dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the masses". At least he had some insight.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given religion = big government these days, does that make people who actively subscribe to a political parties equivalent to opiate users'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I had on priest try the opposite tack. Instead of saying our predecessors lived with dinosaurs, therefor the Earth is only 6000yrs old, he explained that God put dinosaur bones into the ground to 'test our faith'. LOL'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting Obama put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Obviously any explainantion that kept the lie alive was useful to him'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you properly understand 'religion' in the US, TG.. in European countries (like England and the scandanavias), you have STATE SPONSORED religion... not in the US'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we do not have a "Church of England"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you understand that we only have a state religion because the king, who ruled over us by divine providence, didn't like the pope refusing him the opportunity to marry multiple times?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In fact, more and more, 'religion' in the US is becoming 'counter culture', and in fact, 'counter eztablishment''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state sponsored element is completely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'It does not matter if a State sponsors it or not, nothing gets me to credit something so mind-numbingly unlikely and unsupported by facts'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion and central governance are essentially the same animals'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use the same tactics to achieve the same ends'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'combination of fear, indoctrination, threats, tuition, propaganda in order to control your actions and keep you on the plantation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I have no idea if there is a 'GOD' or not, nor does it concern me. But I am quite certain it would not be so absurdly convenient as the 'GODS' humans imagine so far'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the only thing you have to worry about is some crazed priest who takes the bible literally, then all must be right in your world'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I dont worry about him taking the Bible literally, I worry about him taking it seriously ..... and indoctrinating children'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with taking religion seriously'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people take golf seriously, doesn't mean they're on a mission to cause damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'there is if you are a shaman, who indoctrinates children before they can learn to defend themselves cognitively'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'continuing the lies'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc wants to be Shaman King
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Whig.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indoctrinates them into what, and how is it any different to a parent indoctrinating, or a school teacher?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a tv station?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Indoctrinating children should be left to the government, they know best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or mass media, that works too!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do appear to just have a bee in your bonnet about religion, did you have a touching experience with a catholic priest as a child, or somesuch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No Tinanada, we should teach our children to think, and be careful to differentiate facts from 'beliefs''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'To the extent that separation is possible, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that doesn't happen now, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're taught to believe what the government tells you and not question anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also it seems like the US federal deficit for last year was just over 6trn if you use private gaap rules (instead of funny gov't air castle rules)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'It is not only possible, it is essentail for true cognitive development. Our children need to know that 'belief' belongs to convenience, but facts are what they are regardless of your liking'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many things taught as facts, aren't. even outside religion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'once you are outside hard sciences, separating facts from belief starts getting complicated, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion isn't about facts, it's about morality and ethics'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about human interaction and relationships'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even within hard science, many things are taught as fact which are not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'qt, back in a few'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In unrelated news, both my parents and my church always insisted that I should think on my own and challenge everything, whereas the schools I attended couldn't care less as long as I memorized their doctrines.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never went to church except when visiting friends in America'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pastor Manning is quality entertainment, however'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though his entertainment value has nothing to do with religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the social insurance related unfunded liabilities seem to show up as 51trn in Geithner's book, which article did you read, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then add veterans related thingies and 16trn in official debt, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't recall, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know all about unfunded debt obligations being held off books from here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'By now most civilized countries have GAAP rules that say it's ok for government to do that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why in the UK i'm calling for National Insurance to be scrapped altogether and be replaced with a savings-based approach'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why stuff will only get worse, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is rocketing here in the UK. Housing was up 4.1% in June'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The next decades will be .. interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by everyone except the government's measure, inflation is already 6-9%'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets be honest about what's going on, we're having imposed on us a controlled and sustained decrease in our living standards and aspirations that will last a couple of decades. The only people immune are those at the very top, the same people who write to rules to make themselves immune, and to harass us'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it affects everything from monetary policy through housing, environment, energy, to social policy'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think most of the people 'on the top' are in the clueless dept. too :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they know exactly what they're doing. The dupes they get to work from them (like politicians) generally are clueless, however'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Possibly that depends on how small you consider the top group to be. The vast majority of people don't have a very good functional understanding of the economy (global or household), and that's really all you need.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the top meaning the couple dozen families that control most of the worlds resources'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like the Gates, Rockefellers, Carnegies, Rothchilds, Windsors, those extremely wealthy people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, we have the Rockefellers and Carnegies entirely to blame for the stranglehold the pharmaceutical industry has on our healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Rothchilde clan are entirely responsible for bankrolling every major conflict in the last 150 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'First of all TN, you are living the working lie of the conservative in America. They cry and cry about 'huge deficits, and your responses here shows you believe them. Even though we have turned that corner and are now REDUCING the deficit at an almost alarming rate. Paul Krugman wrote an article in the Seattle newpaper which I cannot copy and paste because my machine is messing it up. Please read it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for a start i'm neither american nor living in america, Whig, but since you bring it up, Paul Krugman is an idiot'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Whig.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So you will once again let your political 'beliefs' keep you from learning the facts?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tinada seems to be clueless as to how to speak decent sensible English  "and that's (not-)really (not-)all (not-)you they require (not-need)."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no extra facts to learn in this case, the system is corrupted by those who control it who stand to gain from it. Any idiot can see that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The (gov't gaap) deficit increased marginally from FY2011 to FY2011, the (real gaap) deficit more than doubled.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'er..from FY2011 to FY2012, of course :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Krugman himself admitted that Keynesian economics has more to do with empowering the state than benefitting the people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't seem like a reduction (alarming or not)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'ALL uindependant economists have said it TN. ONLY conservative lying politicos will keep the lie going. Next your will deny Global Climate change'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should also be pointed out i'm a libertarian, not a conservative'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The global climate is always changing'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep, here we go'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Forget science, just tell what is convenient'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Geithner and company at Treasury may not count as rabid reactionary conservatives out to tell lies against the Obama administration.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is quite clear, global warming is not being caused by human CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Bingo.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'NM, your 'point of view' or 'belief' is never going to allow any evidence you do not like'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Laterz'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's exactly how governments work, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and apparently how you do, also'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"your point of view doesn't fit with mine, therefore you're ignoring all the facts"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-caused CO2 emissions are causing other damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue altogether, zde'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop buying shit from china and we might be able to do something about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's causing a debate if nothing else'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At any rate the UN climate models appear to have been outperformed by random walk models so far, indicating that climate science still has some way to go.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a really interesting paper out of a canadian university that seemed to strongly suggest the temperature rise was far more closely related to CFC's than CO2'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I meant that in the context of a hypothetical power elite manipulating events, it would be sufficient that a large majority does not understand what is going on.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernut is attempting deception and lies - (since) - global warming is being increased by human-caused CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, zade, you're not jeremy clarkson'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I don't think that Jeremy Clarkson is too worried about human-caused CO2 emission'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Humans are certainly generating co2 emissions, and that must necessarily contribute to the increased amount of atmospheric co2, which at least (before considering feedback and whatnot) should increase global temperature somewhat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'so if when you say non-human generated co2 are you excluding co2 generated/not absorbed due to our impact on the environment?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nominally? yes, significantly? no. The biggest driver of the climate is the sun'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Tigernuts to be more quiet.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only conspiracy theorists believe that the sun affects our climate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you criticise religious-nutters for lying, being clueless deceived deluded, and using blatant lies and errors -- but some of you in this debate channel are similar to religious-nutters, except in other topics by "lying, being clueless deceived deluded, and using blatant lies and errors"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and spreading deception by using bad english'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada apologizes to Zade with a very sincere look on his face.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, not everyone is a native english speaker you know'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, climate change is a great wheeze with which corrupt politicans like Al Gore can fleece the public billions of dollars in scams and subsidies while making little or no material benefit to the environment. Win!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and my energy bill hasnt' at all rocketed since all this bullshit started coming in, honest!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it has, i'm sorry'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'anyone who believes a politian need to think twice'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some politicians have really bad luck when they think, so thinking again might help a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-caused CO2 emissions are acidifying the oceans slightly =- and that is (said by some scientists) to be causing extensive damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'locking them all up in prison would be best'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'catch-22, tiger...who would enact the laws to lock them up...and what would happen to THOSE people ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'age old question, abe :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'what a waste of resources... i can think of much more productive uses for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good to see Zade being sufficiently worried about the acidification of the oceans that he's prepared to boycott all Chinese products and services'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'acidicity kills off fish and plants, just like in an aquarium.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'nobody who want's to be in politics should be in politics. should be a random person chosen every couple of months :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CO2 emissions will not go down because of China. China happens because people like ... Zade ... like their cheap shitty electronic products made as cheaply as possible'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result everything gets outsourced to the dirtiest possible place'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really, if precious governments really believed all the CO2 bullshit they'd be moving production of things HOME where the pollution laws are stronger'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'it's up to the consumer to change their habits. boycot non-local products even if the local ones are more expensive'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody who wants to be in _____ should be in ____.  Reluctance to perform a job results in a shitty attempt being performed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, Ghargan, and they won't do that. Governments are the same, instead of tackling the problem, they just make money out of it and further henpeck at the people and how they run their lives'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'any worse than the idiots doing it because they are elected to do what they want not what the electorate want'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should just move all political power to the vote.  Keep the politicians around only for secretarial purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will continue to elect the same flawed idiots because the whole propaganda system is set up to brainwash people into believing everything they say, hence Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Tigernuts.  Can't just point out one side here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is the other side, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, you are entitled to your own thoughtless opinions, but please keep my name out of it. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were already in it when you decided that you were right everyone else was wrong and weren't prepared to consider any aspect of the argument'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence you were framed as an example :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was assuming the opposite to Whig was you, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Whig's OK, he just thinks anyone who opposes Obama is a Nazi'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it makes no sense that politicians would only lie to some people but not others.  What's really going to bake your noodle, though, is that if everyone is lying to everyone then the truth is just another lie.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which means telling one is just as pointless/unimportant as telling the other.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Hanslanda for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is clear is that things are never cut and dried, there is rarely a right and wrong answer'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tsk)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some answers are more accurate than others'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and those are not rare'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really, the answer to life's most important question isn't "42"--it's "Who cares?"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are accurate, some are precise, some are half truths, some are exagerations, some are taken out of context'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is wrong on the "Who cares"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i care, i want to be left alone with somewhere tucked away from everyone i can live in peace'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck all chance of that happening though'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because there is fuck all chance of that happening, because i'm continually antagonised by the population and denied the opportunity for a quiet peaceful life, i will dedicate that antagonised life to making it a misery for those arsehole who antagonised me shattered my dreams'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to disregard all statements with cuss-words used as cusswords as statements disbelieved by the cusser
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's different to you disregarding anything anyone says because you didn't say it how, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tech) aw, and i used to like those two-liner jokes of the 1950s: "how do you load dead-babies onto the back of a truck -- use a pitchfork."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was that ever funny, and how did it come about? Something to do with Margaret Sanger's quest to abort all black babies in the womb?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those jokes were fun among kids following WWII'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could imagine'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Glenn Greenwald's partner was detained at Heathrow Airport, UK, detained and questioned for 9 hours under the terrorism act 2000 and had all his electronic gadgets confiscated. Welcome the the police state, sir!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do they use the word "partner" to describe "Glenn Greenwald's partner"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it could mean so many thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dance partner, business partner, partner on staff at the guardian.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since you brought up Glenn Greenwald, TG... what a waste of carbon based building blocks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a guy that wrote a whole book slamming GW Bush (A Tragic Legacy), and he didn't even vote in those elections... because he's "neither a democrat or a republican".'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps Dante had the right of it:  "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe he should move to Sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege missed the possible fact that the author was likrly going to "slam" the leader of whichever side won those elections - in which case, the author is not "neutral" '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't change that fact that he's proud of not voting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God doesn't seem to vote currently -- come the Apocalypse, then the decisive voting'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when all the voting choices are equally bad, some avoid neurosis by not voting (and defering to the choices of other voters)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how surprising, cops ran out of free munchies at a pot festival in Washington's HempFest.'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, doesn't look like it's getting any better. Brazil launches official complaint at British government for detaining Glen Greenwald's partner for 9 hours under anti-terrorism laws. '
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i voted for the lesser of two evils at the last election, i won't be doing so again in 2015'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'going for the greater evil this time, eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, going third party this time'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Krugman acknowledged on his blog that the purpose of Keynsian economics is to empower the State'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wouldn't say that he 'admits', so much as 'accuses'....  what you said would be like jesse jackson 'admiting' that george bush was an elitist.'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he admits, he's an advocate'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly, most of us already realised this, but there are some fake liberals and left-leaners that think it's great still'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some more police overeach. This time in Missouri, that hotbed of terrorism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tyV_8BKwrlc'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Sebelius is trying to bribe students with $30k to product videos supporting obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British (Green Party) MP arrested at a protest at a fracking exploration site'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'completely back her right to protest, though protesting fracking proves she's dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what, exactly, got her arrested?  did she trespass?  toss a beer bottle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a group of protestors sat in the road blocking access to the site'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''cause I'm pretty sure that the solitary act of protesting is no more against the law in the UK than it is in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... so she broke the law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's against the law in both places, colour of law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you protest, police tell you to move along, you refuse, you get arrested'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but the right to assemble, and the right of free speach are neither one "color of law"... they are constitutional in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is dead, indifference killed it'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they do not "give a seblence of law"... the ARE law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... hadn't seen the news report on that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the link i posted not so long ago (on debate -h 20) shows protestors being arrested arbitrarily for protesting'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you told anyone else?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no law was broken'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone knows, vl'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I see... guess I had better call my revolutionary pals. then'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, i think they probably already know'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless they've been living on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I REALLY would have thought I'd have heard if the constitution got repealed, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not repealed, ignored'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'super time... later'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims and jews need to get with the program....pork is the #1 eaten meat in the world....36% of all meat eaten is piggy'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if a christian jumped off a bridge, a muslim would try to blow it up and the jew would buy up what's left.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beef is at 24%'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'what is fish at?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more people eat goat than pig or beef'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more people eat fish than beef or pork combined.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fish isnt considered a meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: ''murica'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and goat meat is eaten by 70% of the people in the world, but not the most meat eaten in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why isn't fish considered meat? Nutrition wise it is different maybe. But comon now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese devour pig, that is why it is #1'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and north american consumption of pork is really high also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'all that bacon...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'do you eat goat meat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Mmm, goat. Wish I could get some here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is lamb a goat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Nope. '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think those statistics are flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cuz i like lamb, never had goat i guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lamb is farmer john's ex-girlfriend.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're probably considering whether you 'eat goat' = someone who doesn't have an objection to goat'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't mean you eat it regularly'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicken is 2nd on the list of most meat eaten'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where do monkey and dog rank?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'm pretty sure fish is meat, although it doesnt have much flavor'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'somewhere in korea hans.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Fish not much flavour? Better get your taste buds checked...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska caught salmon has lots of flavor....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea salmon does, and tuna'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'farm raised salmon has no flavor except for the pellets that are fed to them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but most fish is pretty bland'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'catfish?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you ever eaten plain salmon?  Most meats are given flavor additives of some kind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Catfish tastes muddy for most varieties,'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'gar?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'cept for the non bottom feeding, or specialty bred ones, then it's really sweet '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love smoked tilapia.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that means your preparer isn't as skilled as he thinks he is...and that probably wasn't mud.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it must be the smoke, tilapia is the most blandest, tastes like paper'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Nah, most freshwater fish species have that "muddy" taste, and no, i don't mean real mud, just a descriptor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'squirrel, the other other other white meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if it's fresh tilapia can be kinda sweet'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Not all, but most freshwater fish don't hold a bar to saltwater'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and snake is the other other other other white meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many people eat plain boiled chicken?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'most chinese people, I'd imagine...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I boiled up 5 rabbits today, and froze the left over stock....deboned the rabbit meat and canned it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already know you, Riz.  You ain't foolin' nobody by saying you eat plain anything.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but do you eat donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i've never eaten ass, no'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can eat horse here in Missouri again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, after humans, donkeys are the 2nd smartest creature on the planet.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'have you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'thought that was dolphins'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys are smarter than dolphins.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'I'm sure it was goldfish...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you not counting other primates?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought it was beluga whales'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'thought that was eleohants'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's the source for intelligence?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'the brain, usually.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs are quite smart, and it is a good thing they taste good, otherwise they would rule the planet.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm googling and nothing says they're the most intelligent'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'their militarial prowess'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn . o O ( animal farm! )
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs unfortunately are not that smart, some are smarter than others, but they are loyal.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'meh, imo all these arguments about animal intelligence are kinda baseless'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i just saw a report that 1 in 4 dogs are depressed, those are prob the smart ones'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's extremely difficult to test anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Dogs are daft. Foods! Play! Walkies! Humanfriend! ... But yes, loyal.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there was this parrot that speaks and understands english though'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'chimps and bonobos exhibit the widest array of human-like behaviors (many of them in the abstract ranges, such as emotion, artistry, and communal desires such as fairness and justice).'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '(and desire to have sex)'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all forms of human sexuality are expressed somewhere in the animal kingdom.  For being at the top of the food chain, we really are an uncreative bunch.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Female bonobos rub their clitorises together rapidly for ten to twenty seconds, and this behavior, "which may be repeated in rapid succession, is usually accompanied by grinding, shrieking, and clitoral engorgement"; it is estimated that they engage in this practice "about once every two hours" on average'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just the lesbonobos!'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they named a monkey after Bono ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Bono, did you hear he's a stinkin' conservative now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he always was.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Bonobos are the only non-human animal to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex (though a pair of western gorillas has been photographed performing face-to-face genital sex[37]), tongue kissing, and oral sex.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like a left wing conservative '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neocons should be sent to an island like Australia........'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a cheesesteak sandwich with spinach ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just love diners.....especially ones that make homemade food.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why you married one, right? :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '53% of marriages in the US end in divorce.....no thanks...I like my assets :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should change marriage to a temp marriage for 1 year.....if it doesnt work out, you can both split with no consequences'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most divorces happen in the first year of marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh man, i missed the window??'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( you are just divorced and don't know it )
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'heh, then why am i making dinner every night?!?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'about time you asked that question :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a cook....'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka giggles.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Obamacare is gonna force social workers into all homes of Americans with children if they meet some BS requirements.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Basically they can try to take kids away from homes for drinking whatever they consider too much soda.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true key lime pie is not green damnit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt provides almost 75% of the worlds supply of helium gas, and it will be ending sales of the important gas in October 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When helium is released into the atmosphere, it is gone for good, since helium leaves our atmosphere and enters space.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so wats the newest debate '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Obama - good or bad person?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'hmm now thats a tuff one'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he is the better smelling bowl of shit we had to pick from. but he has been left out in the sun to long and is starting to grow some kind of fungus'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ooh now that was a good one'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's a serious discussion about whether people who won't put the 'h' in the word 'what' are illiterate, lazy, or simply being cool. '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The first two'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage is inclined to agree with Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'now im someone who does that and i do it ccuz im addicted to it '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and trust me im not illiterate cuz i correct lots of illit people'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'its mainly cuz of laziness'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read over that last statement, and then try to say it with a straight face...'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, do yourself a favor. Break the addiction. At the very least, don't write that way in your resume :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'well ots not that bad and i definetly wont put that in my resume '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'its '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Anthine, you're clearly not illiterate. But spelling and punctuation aren't your enemies.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No -- it's :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'definitely*'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sigh. The older I get the more of a language crank I become.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'well this is gonna sound bad but i got a new phone and im still trying to get used to the keyboard and how to use it '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'laziness and abbreviations i can understand, but errors which don't save any time or effort are just bad english :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and i know how to use punctuations but i hate them for some reason that i cant figure out'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so how long has the obama thing been going on for'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But they make life a whole lot easier for the reader, Anthine. And the goal is to effectively communicate, right? Think of what even a little comma can mean. There's an enormous difference between, "Stop playing with the dog, Dick," and "Stop playing with the dog dick."  :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'true don't worry i agree with you, but did you know that because of a comma being missed a satelite couldn't be launched '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'dunno. he seems nice but heck, he lies. and doesn't do that well, so he is not the WORST person.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't know about that. But somehow I can believe it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'all politicians lie, it is the nature of te beast'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'at least i think it was a satellite'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'it's true it was in one of my science textbooks'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I believe you :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought that was conversion error, not a missed comma'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so does the usa still use inches and feet?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn sighs.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh no this happened awhile ago i believe and yes because they didn't add one comma'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'In many things, yes. But I think the States are increasingly metric in science.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still not metric in traveling distances, though. We use miles, not kilometers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i havve an idea for a debate topic'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'video game violence'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't deny that I actually prefer miles for distances. And F temps for weather.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why F?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's so arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'at least with C you know when stuff freezes'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'no offense but i think F is just a bit over the top'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Slightly finer tuned. More numbers between 32 and 212 than between 0 and 100. But also a bit of sentimental aesthetics. 37 degrees in the shade is rather less evocative of heat than 100 degrees in the shade :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can't tell the difference between 1 degree and the next anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so what's the point of being 'finer tuned'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and i rather have it limited to 2 digits, that makes more sense and saves space :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I said only 'slightly'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wait we've been using this measurments for years they should both be fine tuned'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm supposing he means more accuracy per degree'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe I'm just too used to F temps for weather. Years ago the States made a half-hearted attempt to convert to C for temps, but nobody seemed to like it. Even a relatively scholarly outfit like NPR only reports temps in F.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's close to 2 degrees F ~= 1 C'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'does any other country use F btw?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh ok i see what you mean'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure, Redryn. Maybe not. '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but seriously what about video game violence'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'do you have an opinion on it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'no not really more of a question or two'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'generally the best way to start something here is saying something controversial and see how many people jump on you'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'eg'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'french toast is best made with stale bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i heard this from someone but apparently  they were going to ban it'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why do so many people in the us still believe in that fairy tale about jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since F and C both come with decimal points, they both have arbitrary accuracy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Celcius is better since it comes from sweden. Everything swedish is better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, when reporting weather temps in the States, we don't use decimals in F. I noticed when living in Europe, though, that modern home thermostats use half-degrees for home temps.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so something like mediums are really real'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Didn't they go back to calling centigrade?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah... but not in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Trivia: The original celsius scale (by Anders Celcius) was reversed compared to the current.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's different about it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '100 degrees was the melting point and 0 degrees the boiling point of water. Today, vice versa.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Aha! Nice little bit of triv there :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'imagine if one half of the world reached  absolute zero '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it'd quickly become -100 or so for the rest'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and i mean in like one or 2 seconds can you imagine the drawbacks that would have'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Absolute? On the Kelvin scale? It would be a mighty chilly world, heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wouldn't everyone just freeze as if time stopped?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'lots of frozen statues too'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you wouldn't even see frozen water'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For the record, where I am now the temp is 79F. 26C. All in what you get used to. I can't make my mind believe that 26 sounds warm, heh heh :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And that's even after living in Holland for three years. 26 might have felt warm, but it sure sounded cold :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just a matter of habit'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i can't see 32 being cold ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'whats the exact opposite of absolute zero'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is majic cooking there?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Even though I've always found the word unattractive (compared to miles), I got quite used to kilometers and even learned to like them. After a life of driving in the States, I always felt like I was getting places faster, heh heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so there's no like, imediate inferno temp'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the sun is an inferno.. it can go hotter though'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it can always go hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, compared to the temps in a supernova, the sun is sort of lukewarm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but how much hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wwow so wats the highest temp ever recorded'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's the supernovs temps that create elements heavier than hydrogen and helium'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'surface of the sun is about 5000K'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's been estimated that the temperature of a bubble popping is 20000K'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sooo'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'your coke has gone hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'hmm that reminds me that apparently the vaccum space inside a light bubl has enough power to power the world for a lot of years ( can't remember how many though ) but the bad thing is we can't harvest it yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'sorry bulb'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what program are you using'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian propaganda begins ahead of UN visit'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Author of UK anti-terror law claims UK acted illegally in using that law to detail Greenwald's boyfriend and confiscate his equipment'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought an ice cream maker....made cookies and cream chocolate ice cream.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Pickles and Ham ice cream...mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 quart ice cream maker....'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats pretty cool though. I just got a juicer so I can make my own carrot juice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try drinking 1 gallon of carrot juice a day for a week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That sounds great. What happens?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Those vertical axis wind turbines are pretty cool.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you never told me wtf happens!'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'when you drink a gallon of carrot juice every day for a week'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, your skin turns orange, and so does your pee.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and orange eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'p90x does that too'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats all? That sounds awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt hurt you, but start with a glass, and then keep adding more each day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or just make a good fruit juice with carrots'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'too many vitamins and minerals from a single source can actually be toxic.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my personal fav is orange, kiwi, apple and carrot.....with some spinach'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so wats the newest topic or is it still about obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did syria really use chemical weapons?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we have to take the word of someone (not an uninterested party) as to whether they did or not. In other words we'll never know the truth for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Viet Nam war started because the US claimed they were attacked by vietnamese gun boats in Hanoi harbor. 15 years later we found out it was all a work of fiction. So, truth is whatever progresses a particular goal at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Should holding different cultures prayers be enough to cause a temple to be demolished?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'someone thought of this no-brainer in the opposite direction, and said yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'now there is a tone of people claiming the tple is now tainted, and must be demolished'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh, see ya all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you say "I don't like the idea" so I am going to reject it. That's fine with me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'So... Bradley Manning:  Justice, or tyranny?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'tyranny totally'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fucking terrorists and rapist get less time then he did.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that to say that terrorists and rapist should be MORE?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They should get more, and he should get pardonded'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning stole hundreds of thousands of secrest documents and gave them to people who published them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would justify a pardon for him?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and exposed war crimes committed by our military'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I think I know that someone has broken the law, I can kill them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just what were those war crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'killing civilians ect ect...pretty much anything bad or questionable was made 'classified' by the military.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the information on arms shipments to other countries?  what good did it do for the egyptians to know exactly what isreal was getting?  and vise versa?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'll concede that maybe the way he went about it wasn't the best way. But what would have been the best way to expose it all? He could of left the military and simply spoke about it. But then he would just be an Alex Jones conspiracy nut to everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the home adresses of virtually every US serviceman?  How did THAT serve the public good? '
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or how about how our electronic countermeasures work?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the frequency sets to our secure communications?  or the encryptian keys for our balistic defense?  how did THAT expose war crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning is a sniviling little pup who didn't get the promotion he wanted, and pitched a fit.... a fit that compromised MY security.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Good thing we're not at war with an actual enemy then.All the U.S. does is go around kicking beehives. I feel quite safe actually. I got a better chance of getting tazed to death by the police than getting killed by terror.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ithayne: 'no mercy, no remorse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not everyone is so far from harms way'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'compaired to japan rite now fuck the rest of the shit clean up those reactors before it kills the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'I'm pretty sure the planet won't be single handedly killed by japonese nuclear power stations'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But 35 years Von?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning was in the Army... he took an oath... His fellow soldiers have to be able to depend on him to keep that oath.  When a soldier like manning breaks that oath, it weakens the entire infrastructure on which the Army stands.  Manning could have been executed.  I don't favor execution, so I would have liked to see life with no parole... as it is now, he is elidgable to get out in less than a decade.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'what if he had looked more carefuly into what he was releasing? Also he is a woman now btw lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'woman?  or "bitch?"  =)'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Army has whistle blower programs... the IG would have LOVED to see what he had to show, and would have acted on it'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND... had the clearance to see it, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually we really should only be as upset with him going to prison as he is, which does not seem to be very much. And yes he is probably getting filled up right now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats new'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Bradley Manning is a woman now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'umm who's that'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the United States was worth 15684.80 billion US dollars in 2012. The GDP value of the United States represents 25.30 percent of the world economy. GDP in the United States is reported by the The World Bank Group.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, making hamburger/chicken rocks today....hope to store about 25 quart jars each.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, found ancient relatives dating back to 1063 AD......norman ancestry....'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'course that is the english side, the aleut side I have no idea how far it goes back....aleuts are not exactly well known for keeping records.....even though they lived in Alaska since the last ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK sticks two fingers up at the freedom of the press by invoking terrorism laws. Western backed islamic terrorists in Syria are fingered for the blame in a chemical weapons attack,  and King Obama warns that at some point the government will run out of money'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo interesting memo'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lew Rockwell'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has a strange head, but what about him?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Gerald Celente'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Greg Fuchs'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'David Icke'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with the names?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'any of them ring a booth>'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mike Adams the Health Ranger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there a point to this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise i would have to just say "congratulations, you know the names of some people in the liberty movement"'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus you're a racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That the Clinton Treasury under Rubin et al. oversaw the greatest effective deregulation in history through slicing away the last crucial pieces of G-S, putting in the CFMA and WTO addendums while at the same time blocking all attempts to regulate otc derivatives is not exactly secret.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Alex Jones'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know that, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you broke Deathsyte, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That (like the creation of the FRS once upon a time) was created by/for the biggest banks is also no secret, and neither of these points is particularly debatable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Micheal Savage'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..also bad eeenglish. Anyway, it doesn't have much to do with a list of more or less conspiracy oriented people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you come and take Theresa May away please, Tinada>'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing wrong with that guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want her anymore'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Michelle Malkin.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually Michelle Malkin makes me piss myself laughing :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'S.C. Cupp.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Micheal Moore.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self propelled stomach'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ron Paul.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ru Paul 4 Prez!'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too bad he didn't become president'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well...'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Rand Paul?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul should promise to pardon Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, steal some genuine liberal votes from the fake liberal party'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'd take either Paul over the two most recent presidents..'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most would'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or a Stark'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll always be a Stark in Winterfell'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we shoul stir up the jews and get rid of the SS, again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Diane Feinstein'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please stop the blashphemy, Deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Nancy Pelosi'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'When all else fails, vote from the rooftops'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Henry Kissenger'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just being rude now'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't.  Those votes are reserved for the little people'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Barry Soetero'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'P.T. Barnum.  Far too many suckers crowd the world, his scheme's one fatal flaw.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like anyone on the west coast of america is going to be glowing in the dark pretty shortly'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chinese already own it all anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if everyone in california were to die, would it be a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be a tradgedy'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ther'd be what?...  75 million martyrs?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ever school in the country would have to be renamed "california high"... "california elementary"... etc....'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be for the earth, Al Gore would be all for it. Didn't he recently liken those who didn't agree with his plan to engratiate himself with millions of dollars of tax payers money as racists and homophobes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he did... he equated anyone who doesn't hug a tree to be '
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he did... he equated anyone who doesn't hug a tree to be "like a racist"'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a bit of a retard, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's alot of power in that word... if you can JUST invoke it, it's an instant win in any debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so everyone who has twigged that he's a corrupt embezzler is a racist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like if you can be the first one to say "you need to calm down"... that's an instant win, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'calm down Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: '"There is a bit of debate regarding whether or not a salt water rinse works as effectively as a traditional mouthwash product."  Are there really any other mouthwashes that are more "traditional" then salt water?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Just plain water'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'fair point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wow. Just reading about the anger in Australia over the mindless shooting of the baseball player in Oklahoma. Can't say I really blame the Aussies for being enraged.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'black guy shoots a white guy, barely makes the news, white guy shoots a black guy it's news for months and prompts law changes'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Thanks, Obama"'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much news today, only the Establishment meedia going after Tom Coburn'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you see this news: "Hundreds of videos showing apparent victims of a chemical weapons attack in Syria were uploaded to Youtube on August 20, a day before media reports say the attack actually happened, prompting Russias Foreign Ministry spokesman to assert the incident was a 'pre-planned'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'black guys shoot white guys every day, TG... and vise versa.  I think we just need to ignore the issue of color, and the issue of color will go away'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which is what many analysts had already said)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mainstream media will not let it drop, VL, they want a race war'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as to the russians and syrians... the Russians claim it was the REBELS that used the chem weapons... since virtually no one can now deny that chemical weapons HAVE been used.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need something big to distract everyone with while they rob the country blind and stick troops on the streets'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh huh. Which people of the mainstream media want a race war? The white ones? The black ones?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they want ratings...'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Took the words out of my mouth Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... race hate is good for ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Call me naive, but I don't think anybody wants a race war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'controversy of almost any kind is good for ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, Rhavage i have to disagree. Lots of people are still angry we have a black president. And for two terms? o boy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MOST people don't want a race war... but the media is a very small minority of all people... and THEY want it for the ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly black though is he, blonk?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'plus... there's just enough old school blacks/whites out there that wanna hate.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a race war, merely racial tensions and agression'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sorry, but I just have to disagree. There are millions of people that collectively make up the media. I seriously doubt that they've all agreed that a nice little race war would be just the tonic for sagging ratings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and george zimmerman wasn't white...since when does that stop it from being used to fuel the tensions ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... tension and agression.. for now.  But eventually, that will get old and they'll have to up the ante... large scale riots, wole sale slaughter... that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'that's an interesting distinction. To me, Zimmerman looks pretty white. '
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite a few black people look pretty white as well...they used to use the term "passable" for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zimmerman was "non-black", and that's good enough'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe hispanic white, but certainly more white than anything else. Toss in a little Indian blood, you've got yourself a well-rounded American ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just the media who want the distraction, it's the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media are just their mouthpiece, part of way they keep control'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'With a German last name, heh. Nice twist :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a month or so ago the kids had one one of those kid soap operas where a black chick was told by her aunt that she didn't know what it's like to grow up a black woman in america, because she was light'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about all the evidence suggests it was NOT the regime who used the chemical weapon in Syria, btw'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Let's let the UN investigating team have a long look. And it would help if the Syrian gov't would grant immediate access.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And then ignore the UN reports, just as with iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'In other heart-warming news, an 88-year old WW2 vet was beaten to death by two teens in Spokane. My, what a lovely world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And Major Hasan was found guilty of murder in Texas. Not exactly a surprise there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of teens beat a 88yr old vet to death/'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nasty ones. Extremely nasty ones.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Possibly, but I wouldn't make that jump my very first conclusion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was talking about the old vet, clearly a racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ha!'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly deserved it because he was an army vet, he was probably a right winger, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'payback for all those japs he murdered.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war criminal, most like'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'war brings out the worst in ppl'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he's probably gone to a better place'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure he was the one who made the decision to drop the two nukes on Japan, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '-g 10'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he probably personally gassed 6 million jews, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did they sentence Hasan?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet, afail'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, not yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's eligible for the death penalty, though i hope he doesn't get it'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I hope he doesn't, either. We don't need another martyr.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I'm not about the death penalty.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides, that's what he wants.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better to dress him up in orange, and parade him around every fourth of july'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rare bit of agreement on debate, note down the date'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using the essentials index, inflation in the UK has averaged 6.2% a year for the last 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to the bullshit CPi which was 2-2.5%'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, the feds might actually do something useful for once.'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what might the feds do that is useful, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow the fields of those who don't."-Thomas Jefferson'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, but I heard less people liked it than liked Phantom Menace.'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is Youtube-doc-smartness worth anything?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its annoying when kids know too much. thats for sure'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, we have back to back 'erectile disfunction' compercials.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'That gives a whole different picture in my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's amazing how different commercials are in different parts of the world. A US commercial would never work in e.g. Sweden, and vice versa. '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention ads in asia... those can be weird.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the 2010 Akia catalog got pulled in the US because there were no negros in it.  It was deemed "ratially unbalanced"'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even know what akia is'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr will explain it'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i don't judge a product by the colour of the person who is advertising it'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Is that how you read that furniture company?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... I think Akia has a place... plenty of people like the model... I've never had much use for it, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Akea? Do you mean Ikea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo snickers with Ranrr about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't appear to be any news tonight, other than a few papers republishing an old story about the NSA bugging the U.N headquarters (after all, gotta see what your bosses are doing)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'people from the usa are dangerous for world peace..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thanks Anaristos, at least one channel that won't redirect right away...'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'usa vs the rest of the world..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ww 3 is gonna be fought with guns but after that its gonnabe stick and stones '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, guns...how cute'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i kinda agree with myrrhum'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '... and roses'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'agreed Anthine'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guns are way too small'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'after that it's gonna be all stick and stones '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why use guns, when there are nerve gas and neutron bombs :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'just because the USA wanting to stick to we are so cool and awesome and better then the rest of y'all'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'neither of which will hurt the structures.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'thats the point of my first comment'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'haha u might want to keep that opinion to urself'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Anaristos, you don't realise we got much to offer on your brainwashed mentalities?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who's got what to offer?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i got arms feets brains and all that, you think you can possible outfeat anyone else then the problem/ego is on you mate..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'why use guns...'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if indeed there is going to be a WW III, it will be fought with WMDs'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you are allready prepared on your answered to what if?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which probably the only reason that is holding back the contestants. They know that once they cross the line, there is no turning back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'where i was only feeding, using this channel for the very first time on your advice '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am a passive participant. Once the war starts I will limber up so that I can kiss my ass goodbye :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you know, you guys make all the movies right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, I have 2 right hands, I can't hold a camera.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah i dont even wanna opt for a 2nd guess, you are from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you missed it on the first try :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's zillions of other fellow human beings but i like my guns, and nah'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'first try?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'Texas won't be passive participants lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah at least i drew out a participant'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you idiots don't seem to realize..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'we are all in this together'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I rather take my chances of surviving WMDs than a neighbor with a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there you go'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'any idea how much the rest of world dislikes.hates the main principalist brainwashed usa people allready>'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey don't knock clean brains. Hygiene is important.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thats what the nazi's said.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'hygiene and purification is important!'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'Myyrhum the US is terribly divided, and the government & media are out of control. so I can see why you have the perspective you do, but not everyone here is brainwashed. We are heavily populated by the uninformed & lazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hitler was a special kind of bigot, but bigotry was not invented by Hitler. Bigotry is probably part of the human DNA :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humans use bigotry the way dogs piss on fire hydrants, and for the same reason it seems.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Gilliaren, you just saved my day before going to sleep, Anaristos , you are proclaiming earth would be better server by a ww part III'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'lol Anaristos, cant argue there'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as I am left out if, let's you and them fight :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'dogs have no idea what fire hydreants are for one'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'out of it*'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am as territorial as the next person, but my territory extends only about half a meter away from my body. As long as you don't enter the kill zone, I won't be bothered :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'making up brainwashed delusions you move along trying to deny your country is growing to big for its own good with to many brainwashed diminshed folks who are in fact all the same to us.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I see you are fond of assuming facts not in evidence :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like we give you a single thought ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i don't think in territories that's just you being as big as should have never ben'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i don't think in territories that's just you being as big as should have never been'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you will be surprised Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but this all goes to show'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'some of you have grown so thinking you are so superior to the rest of this world, this one earth, as dumb as (you) probably not are, but the rest of this world is aware'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you think you own earth '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'wanna co-operate of fight us...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the biggest sin a debater can commit is making hasty generalizations :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'bla bla bla'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i really won't take your mother into this...just what you said is disgusting to me as human being'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am always willing to make someone sick :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no need to thank me :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'so, basically, there are people on this earth who think they are better of with just the usa and not anyone else?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not thanking you at all, i don't believe you truly mean what you just said or stated'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that you are assuming who those people are.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the problem is you fail to see you are we are all 'people''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm, I thought that was what you were failing to see :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the problem is that you fail to see that everything that you've been claiming of USA people is true of your country's people as well as every other country's people'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you say you think the usa is the best'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you say that you think that we think that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah ok'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has said anything on that subject. You have made assumptions and believe them to be true.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'takes a step back'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you need to take a lot more than one'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'your right Abe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'takes about 7 steps back'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'sec, lemme debate -h'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'making assumptions that require flying buttresses to stand up is not the way to go about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'pfft. not even at 33% through but im obvioudsly to drunk to participate in any of this...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im sorry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that explains everything :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i guess only a few points still stand..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find that hard to believe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i believe in us all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I won't go that far. I believe in some of us, the rest are on probation :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thought that was rendered non existant, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah there's flaws everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i really thought you were saying the usa people are better then the rest of the worlds people, real sorry if i caught that wrongly as well..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's one thing ive noticed on that, whilst being more competive you all are more selective to performing more amazing feats as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we are spoiled compared to other countries and our carefree attitudes are shocking to those of stricter cultures, but we are also a very generous people. I'm always shocked when people of other countries express distaste at us as a whole, but I guess we are viewed as vulgar'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in regards the topic when I started paying attention...in the event of a third world war, the US military is better equipped than every other military...but the US military needs a clear target...we can wipe pretty much any given place/country off the face of the earth as long as we get the 'go ahead' to do it...and no amount of guns can stand against it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'that shocks me too Myrrhum, with our population we should be performiing at a much higher level'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the whole view of the usa people being superior to the rest of this earth is...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're the only one expressing that view, myrrhum'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i am'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are personally better equipped at a better future physically and mentally then i am?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'is that what you think?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I wouldn't know, since I don't know you personally'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing whatsoever to do with the US, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you learned about Manifest Destiny, Myrrhum?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'if you are from the us and keep that thought as personal'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm in a pretty comfortable place in my life at the moment, so there's not that much that I wouldn't weather well'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Hanslanda that is a bit of a different subject...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not I'm better equipped to handle the future than someone else could be asked about the guy 4 houses down just as easily as to you or anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'untrue, because that guy originates from your 'us' as well, just 4 houses down..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'untrue'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'which is diffrent from the rest of the world, being 'us'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're telling me what I believe, and you're full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i'm stating you think you are better then us.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right...as I said, you're telling me what I believe, and you're full of shit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'do you think this>?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and in your statement, you're guilty of what you're accusing me of.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  While Manifest Destiny is taught as a specific concept about how Americans view the mainland, it's more broadly indicative of the American way of thinking: we decide what we want, and we take it by any means necessary.  The very subtle distinction is that God is on our side, so us doing anything in that pursuit is right and proper instead of barbaric or some flavor of evil.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im not saying , ive been asking two times now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'manifest destiny has been the philosophy in the development of every nation in the history of the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no myrrhum, you've been answered, and you've continued stating rather than asking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ehm'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: '"do you think this>?"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read my answer...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rome certainly had a manifest destiny :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or go to sleep because you've already stated that you're too drunk to comprehend jack shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i keep asking and you keep seeing a free hole to fill in these accusations>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've answered.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you answered on the internet, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's probably only person sofar who agrees we are in this earth together as it seems from reading back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'fuck only 'one''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'welcome to the Aardwolf debate channel :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are a lot more who would say differently, but humans tend to cede responsibilities when they can.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter if we're in the earth together...'we are the world' was just a single'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'sings "we are the world"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like heal the world better, personally'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'ooh yeah, good one there'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and most of the people singing it didn't like each other :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'that makes 3 vs 1? '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'true, but catchy nonetheless'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I liked it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we are all brats, but we are all cute too'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we all had cute baby feet, but then we learned to talk...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, for someone trying to claim that his version of "us" includes the world, you sure are divisive'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'this earth will smithe you all, but we will have mercy on your souls.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not me, I'm butt ugly.  It stems from having to swat off admirers so much (goddamned lucky shots! :()'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I see that a lot. I don't know why other countries think we are like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you idiots don't see what you are all part off.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reminds me of a Queen song'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'please follow the rules and refrain from personal attacks, thanks :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Abelinc, its not that difficult to see the wrong in you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who really cares, though?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm not the one accusing people of what I'm guilty of'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not the poor defenseless creatures right>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you want to win this fight, give up and go elsewhere, abandoning everything.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah well im looking at a Hitler or 3... what can i say :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're being a hitler...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Bets on how much of this Myrrhum remembers a few hours from now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not for now i wont cause i just can't believe this'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting 'til the end.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh i remember'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah so you do take, well what's the saying to the winner go the spoils?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'gotta admit, it's hard when people have different views and opinions than your own and you know for sure you must be right, those others must, in fact, be idiots'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no winners on this bus :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'which basically is what has led you all to think that's what's most awesome to get off on right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only winner is the driver.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing here is your askew POV :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'we are so awesome while you all personally are so very very far from that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gilliaren: problem is, he tells the other side what they believe, regardless of the fact that it's based on nothing but his own bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Debating with drunk people...soemthing only worthwhile if you are really bored'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's ok on a Sunday afternoon...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'until football season, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I hear that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's okay at all times.  If you get challenged to a free win, why pass it up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when a man is down, kick him!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I believe the bears will be superior this season'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Mathoran i ask.compell you to take that back on your own reasonings, i feel quite furious atm despite having seen the USA people as allies throughout my entire life long.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah lets talk soccer...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not like we convinced him to get drunk, manipulated him into a fiery discussion, and then sharked the hell out of him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh wait football..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you go again. There are infants just born in the US and you are already accusing them of being fascists :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'But it's a hollow victory'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'despite most of football doesnt get played like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting 'til the end.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: ''cause we are the champions of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im accussing all 3/4 of of telling me repeatedly how superior you are to us all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'accusing '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let me do a quick search here...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nope, never used the word "superior".'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, since not one person has made that statement except you, myrrhum...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'in what way do you think we think we are superior?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is the thing. Aard is an international forum and you are making claims about its members based on your predisposed assumption that they belong to a homogenous group.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'awww man could i pet you abelinc for that 'win' '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you could, if you weren't so inferior that you don't know how to pet }:>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pet Myrrhum.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'omg he said it'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, really?  Abe is playing the letter of the law angle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are right i probably wouldnt know how to :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'letter of the law? where?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, since you are homophobic, you are not into petting anyway :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I don't think I'm superior because I'm from the USA. I think that because I'm from TEXAS. Woo!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'blame me, i only know the difference between wrong and right '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there, I made an assumption based on unsupported facts :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well see, there ya go. Not a passive participant, didn't I say so?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i'm from Europe, where, you all came from as well btw'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Texas is on the downhill side of the gravity well.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Myrrhum, I think the place you are looking for is "Africa"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yet another unfounded statement...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'gotta love texas'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, you go ahead and love it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some US people came from europe. Not "you all".'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'once Louisiana gets erased, Texas is next.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one more hurricane or two and the job will be done :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'didnt your ancestors come from europe abelinc>?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'so when you all seceding? Cuz I want part of it lmao'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'in the us you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mine did, yes. Not all US people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That depends on how far you want to go back...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are a past master at assuming facts not in evidence, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'african americans, for example, call themselves that for a reason...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well, im talking 1 on 3/4 still'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you look far back enough and you'll find we all came from Africa :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're still making unfounded statements and pretending that they're factual'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well 99.9% did anyway, isn't there some missing link somewhere?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'getting my points through and stating false assumptions all along like abelinc's ancestors probably loved the nazi's regardless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, Africa's coming into doubt as The Source.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'oh really? Why is that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your grand^2500father was an ugly and smelly Kenyanthropus platyops.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seeing as how the nazis were just a few decades ago, and all of the relatives alive at the time were fighting against them...I'd say probably not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'somehow aquainted Analistor'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no one wants Africa to be the seat of humanity. People there are too dark.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no, newborn christian god forbid that...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well that's the same old evolution/creation debate in another form then'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, it wouldn't be traced back to africa, it'd be traced back to pangea...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'aww pangea you know your stuff!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's closer to thee truth, yeah. But I would think that humans are new enough that the continents had begun to split.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'my mom said my brother hatched from a turtle egg, and monkeys leftme in her tree, so...whatever'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they're finding new evidence that some lines trace back to parts other than Africa.  Much like how we had 3 separate species trees of Homo.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'still this all goes in my direction, you all didnt know how much you had to go against me to prove me wrong with usa like statements which really really worries me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'is france area one of them? '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, makes more sense than a stork dropping you off with diapers on already.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I can't even comprehend that sentence'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah yeah i got stuff like that in my own language as well..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are so awesome...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Asia is one, I don't think any started in Europe.  Then again, this is all really recent stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we didn't want to go against because we were never against you, seemed you were against us'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Asia IS Africa, all part of the same land mass.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well for what it's worth... '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more obvious back then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ive been loving the usa all my life'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well I was thinking along the bloodlines - rh factor and all that- they are tracing the begatives to france, but I think that goes back to themiddle east & stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you just lost one, how bout that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Let me get my tissues'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lost one what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'haha so funny'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'incredibly funny, but missing any point entirely right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Oh, yes, I missed your point'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't had a point yet...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I won't deny that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find it hard to believe that 4 non-related lines of humanity came into existence spontaneously '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other than declaring to us what we believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ehm you are all circle jerking to the grand hail of the usa?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, that's you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im alone, i can't circle jerk'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can try :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'three, Ana.  There's no more than three separate lines of humans.  Possibly just two, as one is in contention.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even so, they have to have a common ancestor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'adam, duh'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'nephilim'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Adam and Lillith :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the rub is that that ancestor might not be classified as human.  The Missing Link isn't just one species, with all the deciding factors neatly wrapped up in one package.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ill just watch the next 10 seconds ok? seeing you all agree and laugh along at eachoters co respondents jokes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yes hansie, it can all be twisted.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, I understand. After all, it is probable that the ultimate ancestor of humanity was a fish name Wanda :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you know btw, hans has about ehm been extinct here as firstname'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we all evolved from the fish :) Else why do we have prenatal gills?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in English please?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'new harlem, new paris, new this new that and the rest of the world knows. '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda hurried tries to translate the mumbojumbo into something readable.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i will seriously leave the translating up to you 4 since your doing a great job at it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is New Caledonia, not in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for what it's worth, Ana, a fruit fly has most of our DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'and what does new caledonia mean?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one big difference is that we have so much more of it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what the Romans called Scotland :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'nova scotia?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'new found land?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you were talking about the new <cityname>'s in the US. I thought I throw in one not in the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so, you were complaining about the US having so many "new this and that"...he was merely pointing out that it's not a US thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'alaska?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'baked alaska'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got it in one, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im saying you idiots are the most diluted figures on this whole earth, but lemme go over y'all heads while im pissing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and of course, nevermind that most of the "new this and that" in the US were given those names directly by Europeans'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there is New Zeland, though I admit I don't know where the old Zeland is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the old zeeland is in my country...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zealand...where copenhagen is'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'idiot'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'New York was named New Ansterdam by the Dutch invaders :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no idiot nr2'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thanks, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Amsterdam*'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yes, in a way..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'do you even know where it came from before that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Newfoundland is a translation I believe, I think it was first named by the Spanish explorers Terranova.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where what came from, myrrhum?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did we fight a war with the Dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless someone here will claim that Canada was settled before the Spanish colonization :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'klololol'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well i suppose you all wouldnt 'give a fuck right''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on what she looks like.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'wow, i wonder'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what part of "the internet" are you not comprehending, Myr?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the my alcohol blood level :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as she has a pulse, or is short enough after the loss thereof :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the part where i think you don't need to act as a pathetic excuse for something i wanna start hating'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, boy :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh i'll be ok, but you 4 have your fun '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bigot's gonna hate, shit happens'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hate is a proactive emotion, it doesn't need a partner. You can hate me and I won't care :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'rejoice please and im not a biggot'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes you are'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'atm i dont hate one bit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by definition'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've been declaring your hate'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah well, thing atm is i believe what you all tell me and base my response on the same level'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and declaring your bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is obvious my your statements that you don't like some group :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by*'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't listened to a word you've been told...you keep repeatedly telling us what we believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no no dumbass silly figure, i went along with what you grouped upon me, idiot :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because all people in the US are like this and fuck them all'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, the capital sin of a debater!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, some I would, Abe :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wish :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'the lukewarm ones are for anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh and you all didnt keep repeating what you were telling me along and along along to keep me agrevated?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lukewarm works :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'as if this hourlong bs isnt what -you 4- enjoy more then i am?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what exactly did I say to keep you aggravated?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have provided much fun and hilarity tonight, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well, abelinc you are an asshole pursay in the essence, when i started playing here i thought your name was cool but'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when I first logged on I was bored :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm an asshole with a purse...OK'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't argue the point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear SnailBot Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah cute dude..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you take yourself too seriously, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Anaritos...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather be an asshole than a bigot :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I told you that if you liked getting flame, dabate was the channel for you. Did I lie?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'should never ever ever ever show your hideous self on nb channel ever again'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this is my debate persona, it stays here :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i suggest you seek your nearest exit to a rope to hang from and go along with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, no hate in you at all'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'just giving advice as to what i think is good for this earth and what's not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because you're all about the good of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well no not really'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wasn't that a book by Pearl S. Buck?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'close'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you should go hang yourself as well abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm already hung, thanks'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's pick an animal, though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poodle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hung like a poodle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yawn'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos gets off the floor after falling off his chair.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sleep tight'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so this is what skeet shooting is like...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'pfffft this is annoying..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see what you started?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are so cool on internet :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we were all quietly sitting until you started on this channel :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, my name is Zephod. I am the coolest guy in the galaxy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no no no this says something bout the bitch in you as well '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'didnt you like tell me to move to here? bitch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Myrrhum is the biggest bitch! Good thing you told him off.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'btw my name is yomomma imma smack you the fuck on outtahere if you ever dare stand in front of me without anyone else present :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he has been unmasked (unmanned?).'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fuck yo couch! Buy another one ya rich motha fucka!
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You really are Rick James, ain'tcha??
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'hahaha silly silly weak persons, i mean...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it not disconcerting to know that the US government are trying to teach it's DoD staff that the founders of the United States were extremists?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.scribd.com/doc/162321199/2161-docs#page=43'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publicly espousing hate messages, manyextremists will talk of individual liberties, states rights, and how to make the world a better place"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, look up the story of Joe Mendez, police made up a pack of lies about his car being involved in a hit and run incident as a precursor to a swat team raid to steal his legally owned guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wonder why nuts never gets upset over violations of the 4th. it's always about yer gens that the president blackenstein is after'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from "all the time", including here in the UK where we don't have a 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly Dagnir missed all of the Snowden related incidents and the fact i've been fighting the UK government dragnetting the entire Internet for the past 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's a form of confirmation bias - you only read the parts that reinforce your prior held beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here is a good synopsis of the legal issues surrounding action in Syria and the history thereof: http://tinyurl.com/llezq6u'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, rarely gets upset'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(4th|fFourth)'  2013debate.txt - 12'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(4th|fFourth)'  2013debate.txt - 12'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(2nd|sSecond)'  2013debate.txt - 42'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'parsing ate some of the symbols, but you get the point'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ir'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because grabbing a word will clearly give you contextually accurate answers'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Seltsimees Dagnir on his head.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't attack the message? attack the messenger, you'd make a great civil servant'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear the latest about the Dept of Justice?  They're suing the New Orleans public schools to keep black kids in failing (graded ratings of C, D, or F), unaccredited districts because "black kids are supposed to go to black schools"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'read on'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you will note that those schools are 75-90% black'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if black children don't go to them, who will?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'furthermore - since when do "low income" children deserve a better opportunity than middle class children?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'additionally, have you ever considered that those schools a "failing" because their students are just dumb?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, socio-economic issues have nothing to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The DoJ of an administration that ran on, and is visibly championing, race issues has effectively adopted the stance of Separate But Equal.  Last I heard, the civil-rights activists consider SBE to be a bad, bad thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'school ratings are based largly on student preformance.  In my area (one state over from LA), the schools with mostly black students typically ARE failing... because their mamas and daddies aren't holding the children to a standard at home.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is also the "title one" standard... schools with more than 50% of this children on reduced lunches get more money to buy better grades'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the why isn't really important.  This suit is in response to the vouchering system that Katrina forced on the entire area, which allows low-income students at these schools to attend a better private school at no charge.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and again... why does it have to center on "low income"?  Why not let the middle class kids get the vouchers, too?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no idea.  I just thought it funny that the very folks who fought so hard to get rid of SBE are now trying to get it back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, russian deputy premier calls west "monkey with hand grenade"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he hit the nail on the head there'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi arabia threatened russia with terrorist attacks on the winter olympics unless they halted support for Syria'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Saudi Arabia did that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'an official threat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prince Bandar, head of Saudi Intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were Putin I would have told him that if they did, we'd turn Riyadh into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure there's no such thing as 'an official threat''
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's uncertain if the leaked details were embellished by Russian Intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will Obama further trounce the constitution and not seek congress approval for military action against Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, even YOU cannot be so naive. Obama asked Congress for both comment and approval. Congress is conspicuous with their SILENCE. They want HIM to decide, so if it goes wrong their name will not be on it. Same folks who call him weak for NOT already attacking'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know where to start on that. let's just say this. Legally he needs to get congressional approval under the War Powers Resolution of 1973'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Conservative = cowardly liars!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else is exceeding his powers'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psst, nearly half of it is democrats'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite the vast majority of americans being against intervention, the majority of congress would support it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Congress is HIDING! Wont even come back to debate it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because half the republicans are neocons and want to rule the world, and all the democrats would put their children in a blender if Obama said so because he's black'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore instant approval'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'He's black? OMG!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, he is their god!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours too, by the sounds'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'How did THAT happen? Oh yeah, he kicked their butts twice. I forgot'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Congress is HIDING!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Actually, we have nothing to worry about regarding Obama.  He's apparently okay with keeping black kids in failing schools (those giving a grade rating of C, D, or F) simply because black kids should go to black schools.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Cowards'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kick em all out then, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get some independents in'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or people who actually understand what their respective parties were originally formed for'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be glad to know we have exactly the same issues here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe in a couple of years they'll claim Obama isn't black the same way Michael Jackson wasn't black.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'YOU said he needed their approval. I simply pointed out he has asked. They hid'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well technically he is only half black, hans'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his mother was a whore, i mean white'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama, or Michael?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep Hans, MJ showed how a poor black kid in America could grow up to be a rich white man!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was ripped off by corporate fascism just like the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why you're taking congress to task, your whole federal tier of government is a screwed right now because it has overreached itself on just about every possible aspect'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'victim of it's own greed'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, I was just not letting you pretend Obama was going to war without consulting Congress. I know righties love to make them up as they go along. Now YOU know that one is a flat out lie!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make what up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: ''will Obama further trounce the constitution and not seek congress approval for military action against Syria? ....... this was what you wrote. My answer should make you think a bit before you try to imply that crap again about Obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you think is inaccurate? his administration has already flouted the constitution many times, including on this particular issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'gq'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't make him the only president to have done so, but certainly he has done it more than his predecessors and has largely received a pass'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Anyone actually think striking Syria is actually a good idea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course there is. It will make Israel the undisputed ruler  of the ME. So, by extension, the US.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which has been the point all along.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'So you think it is a good idea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's the idea. Good, bad or indifferent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That wasn't my question.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not the one who is going to be shot at. Had I'd been, I might have a stronger opinion on the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a political idea. "Good" has nothing to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we still have Iran to contend with.  Iran is definitely more effective than Syria is, now that Syria's being consumed by internal affairs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I fear I'm not going to get an answer from you clearly am I?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Iran will be a pussycat with Syria out of the way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you got a clear answer. You ask a question without indicating what "good" means.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Let me rephrase, then. Does anyone think that attacking Syria meets their own definition of a "good idea"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'strategically, it may not be a good idea. The Syrian situation will put the US and Russia one-on-one again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i could care less anymore '
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the Russians have new weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we never really left that relationship, Ana.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let's put it this way, entante is going to go away.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both the US and Russian military are eager to test their technology. It's not going to be pretty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we might not win the next Cold War, but if we go back to the no-shots-fired cat-and-mouse from before, we probably won't do any worse.  Provided, of course, we simply haven't swapped roles (ie, US bankrupts itself trying to maintain military strength).'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, militarily,  we will see the aging US behemoths vs the new nimble Russian mobile artillery. It will be fun to watch (at a distance). '
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Russians have new rocket propellants and the US anti-rocket assets may not be fast enough.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I think its hilarious that you think that's how wars are fought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course "may" is the operative word :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'This isn't the 1940s :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how this  war is going to be fought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Russia won't want to inadvertantly jumpstart the American machine by tripping into a direct war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Technically it isn't a war, Congress has not declared a war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless the US decides to do a Nagasaki on Syria (even without using tactical weapons). Just bomb the hell out of the place.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since it's not technically war, I gues no one technically dies?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Many people die in things that aren't wars every day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but since the point is to secure the largest cache of natural gas in the world, I doubt the US will  go that route.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always shoot the "technically" guys first if I have the chance'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cry "Vote!" and let loose the hounds of war!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, we have not fought a "total" war since 1945'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, what we've done SINCE 1945 is fight right up to the point where it wouldn't be "fair" to keep hitting the other guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean an old-fashioned one-on-one?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war should not be fought unless you are prepared to ahnialate your enemy... and his children'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this crap about fighting the enemy untill it looks like you might win, then asking if you can stroke his pecker is BS'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the US will want to engage in some time of urban warfare since they will have to control Syria city by city. That's where the "rebels" will gain advantage using mobile artillery.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the advantage only comes when the leadership prevents the soldiers from actually engaging.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US citizens will give the syrians all the advantage they need by insisting that we not fight a TOTAL war'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US citizens are weak'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just having mobility isn't going to make much of a difference either way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there shouldn't be a war at all. Has anyone checked the fingerprints on the nerve gas canisters? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US citizens only care about the next free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean the US citizens should support the effort in Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos... why don't you trot on over there and check?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wouldn't last the trip :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I actually think he's getting to a point. How do we know that Assad did this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all citizens are weak.  They never lead lives that insist on war mentalities.  Even in hotspots like Israel, where the entire country's forced into the military.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean... if the US Citzans 'went along with it', they would only go along with it right up until CNN showed the first video of an injured syrian puppy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'November:  we're only ever going to know what we are supposed to know... we will NEVER have enough information to decide for ourselves if a war is just, or not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What information did the public know before WWI or WWII that would make them think a war was justified?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '(this is a rhetorical question)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're all debating where/how/who the next war will be fought?  I'll tell you... it will be fought on CNN in American Living rooms'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What is the reason that a US citizen would support an attack on Syria? I mean what evidence does a citizen have that Syria needs attack? Let me remind you that  this would be a citizen of a country who lied about why they entered the Viet Nam,  Iraqi and Afghanistanian wars. The same country that put the Lucitania on the path of U-boat torpedoes, the same country who sank the Maine and accused the Spanish of the deed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so this citizen would have to wonder who really fired the nerve gas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since you are talking about "proof", Anaristos... what proof do you have that the US sank the Maine?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what "proof" do you have that the US intentionally put the Lucitania in the scope of a U-Boat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'look at the ship, it's a monument  in Havana Harbor. The plates of the ship are bent outward.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you seen this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what "proof" do you have that the pictures are genuine?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I lived in Havana for 18 years, saw it many times.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What proof did we have that Iraq had WMD?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as to the plates being bent out... you are correct.  That happenend when the magazine blew... AFTER the spanish bombed it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, nice try Vonliage :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is... the truth is what ever you think it is, and 'proof' is only useful if it supports your beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'moron alert'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'The proof we had was little, except the trust that the government told us the truth in all these wars/fights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you need proof that your ass is dirty before you wipe it?  or do you just go ahead and reach for the toilet paper (or corn cob, if you're from that part of the country)?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you are the US, of course you are going to say that the Spanish bombed the ship. A godsend since the US was looking for a way  to go to war with Spain. Spain, being weak intellectually decided to provide the US with the needed excuse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Just like the Vietnamese that "attacked" the US destroyer in Hanoi  Harbor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and all the WMDs that Hussain had stashed all over Iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that Al Qaeda were really US citizens in disguise, right?  We invented the bad guys so that those we really wanted to annihilate would jump in on their side against the Great Satan, right? :eyeroll:'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let me say this about Al Qaeda. They had as much love for Hussain as the  US did. To Al Qaeda, Hussain, was too secular. A deviant from Islamic law.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the idea they Hussain and Al Qaeda were in league was preposterous. Had the US asked, Al Qaeda might have invaded Iraq for them :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except that prior to Iraq we thoroughly embarassed them in Afghanistan.  I doubt 2 whole years was enough time to get them to do our bidding just because they happened to not like someone else in the region.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sadam Hussain was a despot and a tyrant - he needed killing'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'may so, but if anyone had a right to kill him, would have been his subjects.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they did'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or do you support that if foreign elements think a US president needs killing they should come in and do it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hung him from a rope, they did'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US hanged (not hung) him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would all depend on what I thought of the US president.  If he gets to thinking he has a throne rather than a chair.. I suspect we'd kill him ourselves without too much help from the outside'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obviously you not familiar with the concept of sovereignty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sadam was tried in an Iraqi court, and hung by the Iraqies'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, so what?  Can't just tell the world "I don't like that guy, so I'm going to go kick his ass!" without severe repercussions on your citizens.  Too many special interests were in the area.  If you want to fight a war nowadays, you either have to be unlucky enough to suffer a real blow or you have to manufacture an enemy that everyone else can go "Fuck!  Well, we won't stop you, but be damn careful not to break the china!"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was hanged (not  hung) by puppets manipulated by the US. Do you think the US  would have allowed a different verdict?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are an innocent :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda looks at Vonliege and goes "Okay, how many dolphins am I holding up?"
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Bush wanted Hussain dead, he said that explicitly. No way that Hussain was going to get any other  verdict.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... I am far from innocent... tell me.  would you stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger if you wern't absolutly sure it wasn't loaded?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on the results I sought :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I say you are an innocent because you fail to see that Hussain's trial was a political play with an predetermined  outcome. He was probably guilty, but that  was beside the point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, for political reasons, it was very important that it all be handled by the Iraqis'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it was'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly, that was nice puppetry :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'political agenda satisfied'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is that at al suprising or shocking?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are willing to kill a man for political expediency. I guess you are not an innocent :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or even offensive?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'governments have been doing it since governments were invented'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the "way" of things'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's how the world works'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good justification :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love situational ethics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for good or ill, nobody who spends their time playing an online text game is going to have any impact what so ever on that fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever that means :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chris, SH and remort already!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it means... enjoy your <$5 gas, and don't worry that it's the cheapest gas in the entire world (except maybe for Kuwait... where it's pretty much free)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we haven't broken 4 yet, except in places in the US that hate gas (like California).'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, I love to pay 5USD for gas. Notice that domestic gas which is not subject to the costs of ME oil cost the same... Gee, I wonder if there is a connection beetween that and the price we pay.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oil pumped in TX costs the same as oil pumped by the Saudis... How did that happen? Do the Saudis own the TX oil fields too?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, gas station I took my bike to today had a sign at the pump, they only had ultra 94, so I got it at the regular price...3.49'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you live in the US, Abe? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so $3.499/gallon, not some euro/liter'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for much of the summer we were even hovering around $3 again and for a brief period in the early spring we were inching rather close to $2.50'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, 3.50 a gallon is reasonable. LA and NY pay around anywhere between 3.80 and 4.20 a gallon depending on the neighborhood.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the lowest it got in LA was last year at 3.239'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but those cycles are expected. They are psychological ploys. The way you get someone to give you 20 USD is by asking for 100. So they use this technique to keep incrementing the gasoline price. Take it to an extreme high, lower it above the previous settled high and the people will be grateful to pay "lower" prices.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a middle aged man and am very content with my wife and family - so don't think me lecherous when I state:  I've been to AU when I was younger.  I was astonished that all the women I saw were just plain HOT.  Now, when I watch TV and something about Australia comes up, again - All the women are HOT!  Where does australia hide the dogs?  And where are all the fat people (since AU now tops the list of "fat nations")?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or it might be an indictment on your taste in women :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you see beauty where others see escapees from the kennels :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdfwhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woopsy, there's another one'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA derailing UN probe into weapons, why? https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/28'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is on the way up again'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Rachael Madcow has lost 43% of her audience in August'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MSNBC viewership down to 520k, some youtube channels get more regular visits than that'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when will MSNBC officially rename to AirAmerica?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't it be DemocratPartyTV?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all prepared for nuclear war, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'first things first, Tiger.  Chemical is the bigger worry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it comes to either of our countries it'll be nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sure hope Russia doesn't bottle it'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'You really think so? Personally i think it will be chemical.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the major powers all signed not to use em'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tactically they are not useful either'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fear nato will bomb syria and russia and the rest will do nothing'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when in reality they need to man up to nato and put them in their place'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to be some moral and ethical leadership in the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better that we back Al Qaeda than Hezbollah.  I don't think we created Hezbollah.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bio-weapons are the worst'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely bio weapons will be used when they have nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nukes are relatively predictable, bio-weapons are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not impressed with Iran threatening Israel though, that's just silly'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better threatening US bases in Qatar/Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My wife has 4 aids in her 6th grade classroom this year'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'hell of a union ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'three of them are to deal one-on-one with "troubled" children'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fourth is for a crippled child'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'They should bring back the paddle lets see how trubled they are at school when they get their ass busted...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I found myself wondering... if a child is so ill-diciplined that they require a full time monitor, does that child need to be in public school?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'amen'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there IS a pladdle at this school...  and they use it, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'there is a huge diffrence between a disabled child and an unruly child that the school system just doesn't see'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... they have to make so many calls, and get so much permission that by the time the oak meets the childs ass, everyone has forgotten what it was for'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'at the local school near my house there was an 8 year old boy actually molesting a 4 year old girl in the bathroom they told him no and allowed him to go back to class and sent the girl home. claiming he was mentally disabled i say beat him with a paddle and see if he does it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'the school systems are so just for lack of a better word Shit here where i live'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, when one of the child's monitors was out of the room for a second, the child threw a chair at, and injuring the teacher (requiring 2 stiches).  The police came and arrested the 6th grader, and when the parent came to the school, she wanted to know what they did to provoke him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow..'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'teacher was not my wife... another teacher'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'to provoke a kid...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'that means it apparently isn't the first time. So i say expell him and home school him or beat him within an inch of his life and teach him real quick.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the child will be back in the same class room tommorow since the school doesn't want to suspend a black kid first this school year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a stated goal that the will only suspend one black child for ever white child suspended.... the ratio at the school is 55% black, 40% white, and 5% latino/aisian'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: '...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'May I ask which state you live in?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wait. They've actually stated that goal? You can find it in print?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it all falls under "title one" rules... they get extra money because 50%+ of the school is on reduced lunches... but they also get inspected.  Last year, they got bad marks for suspending too many minorities'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state is AL'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... there is an Email... a VERY damning email that states the administration's intent'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'pretty soon white will be a minorities all of our rights are being taken away one at a time..'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... because it is not biased against a minority, it is not considered "ratial"'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what a shame.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in other news... bus drivers will NOT be allowed to carry guns on the bus... you may recall the news last year where the child was taken off the bus at gun point (bus driver shot dead) and held in a bunker?  same school district.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this might be a news flash to you, but whites are a minority. A minority with delusions of grandeur :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wait now'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'If bus drivers could carry a gun on the bus, there would be a problem.  Big problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Whites aren't a minority in any state but Hawaii. Yet, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am speaking about planet Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I am not saying we are superior in any way shape or for in my eyes we are all equal and should be treated as such but every other races gets away with so much more shit than we do '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That is the dumbest statement ever'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ever'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, ok. Yeah, definitely a minority on Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can you actually type that and not gag?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that if whites are treated the way the treat other races, that's unfair.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they treat*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I guess it is where I live but i see so many other people scream racist and shit it is truely sad but the white folks cannot scream it or if we do it does nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'You're asking for preferential treatment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the white  folks don't need to scream it, the fact that they are where they are was a product of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The world is not even, the world is not fair.  There will always be imbalance to some extent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'oh jesus fuckin christ Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'the slaves?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, really. Name the place and I can show you how the whites got there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Really? we are where we are cause of racist shit '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But what you see is not a fair representation of reality across the country or the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Were you there?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'He's right.  Unfortunately, racism is part of what got us where we are, for better or worse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I wasn't there, but if is is anywhere in the US,  there is need for  me to even say anything :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no need, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and thank you where i am was pretty much neutral during the war'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or South Africa, or Indonesia, or South America, I mean, name the place.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I do not approve of slaves but i do not damn people who owned them to hell cause they did.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Dont have to.  just have to understand that the practice of it was wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'in who's eyes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think whites should be targets of racism, but it does seem a bit over the top when they are targeted and they act as if they can't understand why.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'In the evolved society that we live in today'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'but what gives them the right to target us?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note I didn't say that it wasn't unfair, I am saying that when it happens they light bulb should come on immediately instead of searching for "answers" as to why another race would target them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Wow'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nobody should be a target of racism of any sort, no exceptions.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There's still quite a bit of slavery in the world. Asia in particular, from what I understand.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'are they black?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'or are they asian?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Who cares what color they are'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'probably the same right that whites have to target other races.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'just wondering because white people will own them some sort of something on down the line'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Does is make a difference? They're humans and they're property. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'owe*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Racism and slavery are bad, skin color, nationality, race dont matter.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm white as a bone, but you walk down the street and call a black guy the not-so-cool N word, I'm going to have a serious problem with you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see, Kilfer, you are a bigot. You assume that if you are a slave you must be black.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is probably the case that no one alive today can claim that somewhere in their ancestral tree there wasn't a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I suppose it depends on who does the calling. Black people call each other niggers all the time. I wouldn't recommend a white person do it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'if we do it is a racial slur and around here people get punished by law'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I know there was in my past, back in Germany.  It sucks, not proud of it, but its a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you don't need to say anything else Kilfer. We have already identified you :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'not sure about other states but here you can face up to a year in prison'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't say that I appreciate it when blacks call whites crackers, either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'so i'm labeled now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is another news flash, Kilfer. The US is not  the entire world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'please do tell.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont see cracker as a derogatory term, but then again, I live in a 95% white state.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'are you shittin me?!'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'there is a world?! I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It is, Flach. It is when blacks use it, anyway. It's not meant as a compliment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Oh, I know.  I am just not as opinionated on it as others.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, I never claimed that blacks weren't bigots. I only said that when whites are the target of bigotry they act as if they are being unfairly targeted.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It takes a lot for me to be offended'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But if it gets to the point where you've truly offended me, you'd better be ready to throw'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Ana, when whites are the targets of bigotry it *is* unfair. Just as it's unfair for anybody.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'nah rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but when whites target others, they don't claim that's unfair. You don't hear them wailing about how blacks are treated. They are too busy looking for suitable trees.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'we should be ok with it cause we basically have a bullseye on our backs for being white.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nobody should be OK with it for any reason'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'But i'm a bigot'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Kind of a grand overstatement there, Ana. The country is far from perfect, but this isn't 1936 any more.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only way to rid the Earth of bigotry is through inter-marriage. Not going to happen in the US in the near future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's not  1936. Now the attitude is "I  have  nothing against blacks, some of my coworkers are black. I think that black people are ok, as long as they don't try to marry my sister, that is".'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Funny how the meaning and impact of words changes over the years. In the early 60s, before the Braves moved from Milwaukee, the baseball team in Atlanta was called the Crackers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'To each their own because a few think like that doesn't mean everyone does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are right, and the proof that you are right is the overwhelming number of black/white interracial marriages...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I mean can you help who or what your attracted to?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are kidding, aren't you? Are you trying to say that there is some genetic inhibition that prevent whites from being attracted to blacks?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gonads are color blind. So what prevents  the  union is in the mind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'No I'm not i'm saying you like what you like reguardless of what color.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Liking a person and being attracted to a person is two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm just not attracted to dark skinned women, for the most part.  There are a few exceptions, but not too many.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'i am just curious as to how inter-racial marriages will help the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It wont'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and i am the exact same way flach '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Unless enough happened that we were all one race, it won't...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, but here is a man and here is woman, nature takes  its course the odds are they will mate. The white/black pairs in the US  are statistically subpar. In other words, given the ratio of whites and blacks in the US, the pairs  are way under what you would expect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Asians in the US are about the same number as blacks, and yet the asian/white pairs are way higher.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, what.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd only ever had white girfriends all of my life. Then I spent quite a while just bumming around in southern Africa, and guess what? I'll bet you can.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that  might not be true in Deluth, but it is certainly true in places like LA or NY'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'propinquity'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'well since there's only white people in SA, you stuck with white girlfriends!'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'or am I shitty guesser'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'mere exposure'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, wait, did  I get this right?  Only white people in South Africa? You didn't say that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Only white people in SA? Er, what? They make up about 15% of the population, about the same as blacks here in the states. Or did I misundertand?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'And debate is going off.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I was kidding =) I was just there recently ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Rhavage, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But I said southERN, not just South. Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Malawi, Mozambique. I looked like a flashlight in those countrues.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'countries*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And at 6'4" and white as a ghost, I stand out in Japan just a wee bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what, so you felt out of  place?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'everyone is cabable of attraction to people they are exposed to. In America white people fear black people and there is not as much exposure. The law of propinquity applies. Natural'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so  that means, you would not seek companionship in either Africa or Asia (Japan).'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Whig, for most of the U.S. thats true, sadly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know about you, but in my opinion some of the most beautiful women in the world  come from Sierra Leone, Ethiopia and Somalia.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and OF COURSE there is value in interracial marriage, both genetic and historical'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Ana. Also, from France and the Netherlands ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed :)('
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'It wasn't allowed in U.S. history, Virginia tried kicking an interracial couple out of the state a long while back...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Long while being back when there was segregation, or a bit after.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'genetics by widening the gene pool and reinforcing positive outcomes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Historical by blending, therefor lessening the differences till we have to have other reasons to feel superior'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'ooops, qt'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, we've done quite a lot of blending already. I'm a mix of English, German, and Irish. They haven't historically all been some blissfully happy white family. My wife if a blend of German, Czech, and Russian. And we know that the Germans and the Russians, of course, have never had a disagreement.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I promise if you are 'stuck on a desert island' with someone opposite gender and no options, you will find over time that they are quite naturally attractive to you afterall ...... mere propinquity'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'You love that word.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm inclined to agree, Whig.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though time will be a function of the races involved? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yes, it has a specific meaning in psychology'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'I know, I just mean you're droppin' it like it's hot. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the point should be that if you are stuck in a dessert island, there should be a need to overcome any racial aversion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Sorry, I am a psychologist .... it is how I think'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, there shouldn't be*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Lol you're missing the point, but that's cool :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm no psychologist, but I did stay a a Holiday Inn Express last night.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If you're stuck on a dessert island, try not to over eat ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not missing the point. A man and a woman are in a desert island and the biggest issue is that they are not of the same race? Wow stupid is that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'How*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Not you, I actually agree with you, I was talking to Whig.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'mmm, a dessert island.  yummy'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry about the misspell :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Is ok, Ana. I liked it ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yes Anar, they learn that they have far more in common than different, and a need to share their feelings and thoughts. it is easy for humans to discover similarity when they are together a lot. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'That IS the Law I was overusing, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I understand all that. It reinforces the point I made that the problem is in the mind, not in the gonads.  All humans are sexually compatible, and that should be the only issue when two people are stranded somewhere, not whether their melanin content is above or below certain level.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'FYI, I like em and shape size and color. People are most always amazing when examined closely ..... even conservatives [i guess]'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'any, that is'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I like to examine some people very closely :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats happening'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noexp'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michelle Obama will sekk the Democratic Nomination for president in 2016 against Hillary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'is it just me, or is it really, really crass to seek presidency after someone in your immediate family held the office?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... I suppose hos children are still a bit young... I think you have to be 45, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '35'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thouhgt that was for senate'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'senate's 30'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'house is 25'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and 21 to buy a keg... got it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'mind you, I don't think anyone's actually achieved the office at that age'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and to buy a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '18'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '17 to die for your country'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with parental permission'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '21 to drink, 18 to die.  Sounds about right'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that whole Michelle will run for president was just the local morning news having some fun... not meat to it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Barak was the first black president... Hillary will likely be the first female president...  Too bad that Chelse won't be the first ugly president (there's been some ugly presidents)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chelse was a homely child... then she went to college and looked OK... then she got married and now she's a real grown up dog-face'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, I don't normally give any credence to Rush Limbaugh, but he knocked it out of the park here: "Taisha Backs has had the government of her choice for coming on five years now, and yet shes still mad at people who dont have any power to affect her at all, at least not in politics," he said. "This womans obviously mad at the Republicans. Thats what shes been told to be. But the point is that none of them blame Obama. Theyre livid."...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"You McDonalds protesters, what do you think is gonna happen when 11 million or 12 million people are given amnesty? Theyre gonna take that job that youre getting $7.25 for and theyll do it for five bucks, and then what are you gonna do? Thats gonna be fun to see," Limbaugh said."'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all his receding hairlined rantings, he's kinda got a point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't they have that job already?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can be replaced...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that isn't the point either, over time new/vacant posts will be filled by the lower wages, it'll drive wages down'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the illegals, I meant'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'One recent estimate by researchers at the Pew Hispanic Center puts the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8 million out of an overall population of 11.2 million illegal aliens, i.e., 71.4 percent.1 That estimate is generally accepted as reasonable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows the wider issue that if you don't control borders and trade, foreign labour causes a reduction in your living standards because all the jobs go there. See the UK for an obvious example, see also the US car building trade'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the 1 there is a citation'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That implies data. Where is yours?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want data for?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: '[29 Aug 17:33:55] (Debate) Tinada: 'don't they have that job already?' [29 Aug 17:34:48] (Debate) Tinada: 'the illegals, I meant' [29 Aug 17:34:57] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so this researcher is claiming that the employers of 8 million illegals are breaking the law? or do they mean they are in the black/grey market workforce?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you don't think the grey market workforce doesn't put downward pressure on wages? They get away with paying below minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That is not my point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was mine'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I don't really care about the topic. I care about data :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you have none'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My point is you have no data - and I have data to support it! :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know what you're supporting'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Sure I do, I'm just not discussing it with you :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Two separate issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, here's my data'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like you all to fuck off!
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus goes, "OK".
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i completely support the fast food workers calling for a $15/hr wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also completely support raising the minimum wage here in the UK to 10gbp/hr so that tax credits can be wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you support $10 coffees from Starbucks?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't buy from starbucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however if $10 was the true cost of a coffee from starbucks, and i wanted to buy a starbucks coffee, that's what i would pay'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'LOL Zing!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, paying the true cost of things rather than getting it cheap at the cost of screwing people over'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at $15 and hour for fast food workers... that'd put a big mac at around $9US... I don't think that McDonalds will hire too many folks at $15'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'For McDonalds to pay their workers $15 an hour it'd raise their overall costs by 2.7%'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like the City of DC telling wal-mart that they are going to pay above minimum wage at the three new stores that they are opening in the DC area.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to which wal-mart saluted with the middle finger, and now that's 3,000 jobs that DC don't get... at ANY wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Costco pays an average of $22.50.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this needs to be caveat'd. In the UK, the tax payer subsidises these low-paying corporate jobs through tax credits, which i disagree with vehemently'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want corporations to have their wage bill subsidised by tax payers, so raising the minimum wage is the only way of doing that in broad strokes'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if wal-mart are being forced into higher wages, then they're quite at liberty to pass that on to the consumers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in this case, they just chose not to build the stores'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the stores clearly weren't needed'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or just lower everyone's hours so they don't get any benefits and/or can't make enough to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the city fathers of DC are currently exploring ways to MAKE walmart build the stores AND pay the high wages'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't MAKE them buold anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they can MAKE them pay the wages they want, why not MAKE them build the stores?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build or not build. if they don't build and there's excess demand, someone else gets the business'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since big givernment is all about MAKEING people do what they want'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is where i split from you, VL, you see it as interference of big government, but if you didn't have minimum wage standards, you'd end up paying anyway through the tax system in terms of food stamps and welfare'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Walmart's getting burned by Amazon, and now Amazon's getting burned by the little guys they destroyed with their nearly-no-profit margins.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some people can be made to do your bidding with a free chicken.. others require an heaping load of regulation shoved down their throats... in the end, Giverment will get their way - they always do'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think like you in regard to minimum wage, then i saw the welfare bill and the way that large corporations were bending us all over and fucking us mercilessly up the arse, then i changed my mind'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, i would never buy from starbucks, regardless of the price'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buy TG - we already do... there are many cases where welfare is already a better licing than a 39 hour a week minimium wage job - welfare has to be chopped, the people made hungry, and the jobs filled - at a FAIR market wage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would go to an independant/mom/pops coffee shop even if it were twice the price'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'I don't like starbucks coffee'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporations are not PAYING a fair market wage, VL, partly because they can get away with it, partly because of the immigrant labour'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back before the days of automation there was (here at least) 100% employment, so there was a premium paid for good workers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you have mass unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution ultimately is fewer people'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many politicians do you see spouting that as a policy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need $1000 a month here to live on before energy, food, or transport just to have a roof over your head'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here you go, VL, some food for your rabid republicanist apetite: http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, our "opposition" party here took an opportunity to play partisan politics and shot down the UK goverment's desire to send missiles against Syria. Right outcome, wrong reason, but i'll take that for now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... every time the government... sorry... GIVErment meddles in one area, it cause an inbalance in another... then they have to push over there... so on and so forth... the free-market model only works if its free work...  If companies want employees, ''''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooops... dang command history'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was for several minutes ago'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically, if the Syrian government did use chemical weapons in combat, it has not broken international law in doing so'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since it is NOT a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who gives a crap about international law... who really gives a crap about syria?  the only issue on the table here is that these petty pretend governments have gotten away with too much for too long, and now they don't give a rat's arse what we tell them....  they have no fear OR respect for anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to reign in yours'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make us'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only you can effect that change'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm working on my own'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's the international language... "make me"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we all know international law and the UN is a scam, it's "do what NATO tells you or else", along with the "you have rights as long as you don't disagree with us"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we said "don't use chemical weapons", and they said "you're going to stop me?  you and who's army"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing as your constitutional rights'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somewhere along the line you allowed the constitution to be degraded, now politicians think they can trample on it any time. Did you see Obama's banned foreign gun imports?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, we're always ready with an answer to that question, von'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just weary of the rest of the world not doing "their fair share" of policing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the world should be policing'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west hadn't stuck their oar into Syria's business in the first place, chances are there wouldn't be a civil war going on right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like Iran... some day soon, Isreal is going to whack 'em with US made jets and missiles... and the rest of the world is going to scream "How DARE you!" while they quietly breath a sigh of relief that Iran has been delt with'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully Iran will get nukes before that happens so that Israel can be wiped off the face of the map'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't sound nice'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'followed by the US, France and GB'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't does it, but then again, being turfed out of your own country and then being threatened with invasion and having sanctions placed on your isn't nice either'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure that Iran/Persia has been in the same spot for along time'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about Palestine/Arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iranians aren't arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fermenting sectarian tension between Sunnhi's and Sh'ia is something the west has been doing to deflect attention from the Palestine issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or palestinians'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some Iranians are Arabs, some are Persian'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all are Muslim'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ruling class, and MOST of Iran is Persian.... and they look down on Arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they intend to rule all of Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because their better'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and smarter'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best they get on with it, then'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and all baptists are just terrorists who still think diplomacy works.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather them in charge than Prince Bender of Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... that's catholics and evangelicals, if you are referenceing the recent defense department statement'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add libertarians and army vets to that list, VL'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone opposed to communism'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh yes.. of course.  How could I forget'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm not.  I meant strictly baptists.  The amount of division in that faith alone is staggering.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are a few flavors... mission, free will, etc....'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheese & onion'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but back to iran... what do you think a gallon of gas will cost if Iran controls the entirety of the middle east?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as it does now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they start overcharging just switch supply to elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they probably won't control all of the middle east anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then the price of nachos goes up because all the corn goes to biodiesel'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they get nukes they will... they won't be able to keep them locked up.  they will HAVE to touch off a few to make everyone listen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand, the current Iranian regime has no intentions of that sort, they just want USA to fuck off out of the affairs of the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that happened, Iran would effectively become crippled by its own success.  Nobody would buy from them if it cost too much, and if Iran didn't back down they'd be saddled with moreorless across-the-board (almost Japanese-style) embargoes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unlike the US, they haven't invaded anyone'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chines and russians would still buy their oil'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the Indians the Brazillians'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hence the embargoes that quickly kill off Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one day Americans will wake up and realise that they're seen as the baddies'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is, I just can't see Iran+nukes as a positive in any way.  TG:  you're advocating the extermination of the jewish people, but beyond that... what good can come of it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advocating is way too strong of a word'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[29 Aug 17:19:51] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully Iran will get nukes before that happens so that Israel can be wiped off the face of the map''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather everyone left them alone, i'd rather Israel not have been turned over to european immigrants and then bankrolled by USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we have to deal with the world as it is, not how i'd wish it to be. Lift the sanctions off Iran, pull out of the middle east, let people get on with it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since they only are interested in soft targets, it sets the lovely precedent that extermination is okay/acceptable.  Might change the "pansy" American way of thinking, an even lovelier thought, really, given that our military budget is still bigger than many countries' entire operating budgets.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine if the Americans stopped thinking in terms of minimal (collateral) damage?  We'd surely take some hits, but a lot of you other guys would just end up countryless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or you could just stop trying to impose your shit corporatist fascism masked with an illusion of democracy on everyone else in the world?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pick up your toys, go home and try and sort out your domestic mess'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when I lead the clan in qps earned, that means the rest of the members are slacking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I do between 50 to 75 but I don't remort that often.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis again :('
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fast food workers don't need any more than minimum wage - Flipping burgers IS a minimum wage job.  Work the job for the reference and until you have the skills to get a better job... and quit your bitching'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Minimum wage is a pox on our society, it needs to be eliminated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... employers might have a lot more jobs to offer if they wern't forced into paying a specific wage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it would be eliminated if employers were moral, ethical people. But if you leave them alone they will figure a way to get the work done for free.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's absurd... they won't be able to get workers if they don't pay'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? History proves you wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not since slavery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't have to work in a plantation to be a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That's right. Let the market determine what they will pay people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What's next, a maximum wage?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Too many regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'November, you are joking. Employers will  use the market forces to reduce wages, but not to increase them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Exactly how? If you have a Wendys and a McDonalds in a town and they need to hire.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, when the excellent work employees do increases the earning power of the company, the owners are not going to say "Here is your reward".'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'One offers $6 an hour, the other $7.. so people all work for the $7 one. So the first raises it to $7'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they will fight tooth and nail for any raises they grant, as if the raises were breaking the company.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Just like gas prices and the cost of anything you buy (except healthcare) the market decides'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No, they wouldn't they would want happy employees'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'so they would determine what they can afford for that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are an innoncent :) Gas prices are set by the producers. All they have to do is shut down the spigots and sit back. Or haven't you been paying attention?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'employers understand the value of a good employee... good works are rewarded - lazy unionizers are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Companies aren't stupid.. they know how to work markets and determine how to get the best talent'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'employers understand the value of good employees, that's not the samething as saying that when things are going well, the employees will reap the rewards the same way the employers do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No, I have. The US export is up 24% in the last 3 years according to Fortune'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'It just remains where it is now because high demand in China/Asia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And we're going to be an "oil rich" nation pretty soon, so if we exceed demand, prices will go down.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And if we can find ways to transport it too like a pipeline of course'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that the oil extracted from US soil costs the same as the oil extracted by the OPEC... that's showing them who is boss. The US is not trying to fight OPEC they are letting OPEC set the prices for them. So, even though the cost of production for  domestic oil is lower (for one thing they are a hell of a lot closer to the refineries) the charge the same price as producers that have to send their oil 10K miles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I dont think so pal, if the US companies can sell China oil for $80 a barrell and OPEC offers $90 a barrell for theirs, they will just buy from us instead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Unless of course they want to buy from OPEC for other reasons..'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US bitched about OPEC raising the price of oil from 10USD to 32USD in the 70s. But they promptly raised the prices to that level, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the point is that the US raised their prices so they could reap in the extra profits. You cannot tell me that the cost of producing domestic oil for domestic conception is the same as the cost of imported oil. '
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well first, lets look at the fact that only 25% of the oil in this country comes from outside of North America.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and by selling China oil for 80 USD they are screwing the US consumer in the name of extra profits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And that is lessening as we said because production is going up due to fracking'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter if it is only 1%. The cost of production is lower so the price should be  lower. Why should a motorist pay the same price for domestic gasoline as he does for imported one. Part of the cost of items is the distance from the distribution point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are trying to tell me that US  oil companies are suffering and that  is why their prices are so high, don't bother.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Because oil is sold on a global market. If you can produce it cheaper than another guy, and transport it (figured into the cost) then you make the profit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No they're making record profits, and if you invested in them and in infrastructure, you'd be too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'BULLSHIT. Domestic companies are treating domestic consumers as part of their global markets while reaping tax breaks from said consumers. Tax breaks that OPEC doesn't get and can use to justify their prices.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'But when their production exceeds US demand... they will look to the global markets then to sell.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'and if their prices are higher... they'll sell to those consumers instead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, so then let the domestic oil companies behave like they are foreign companies and eschew the tax breaks they get, such as the oil depletion allowance.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the oil depletion allowance makes oil production basically tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Heh, depletion. Doesn't matter, once the sun burns out this planet is doomed no matter what it has on it :P (I'm being facitious)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the collective pocketbook won't last that long.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Chances are some catastrophic natural event will happen long before that, like a supervolcano, meteor, or more likely the next part of the current ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's rather extreme, more sedate would be consumers finally realizing that electric cars are not the future but actually the present.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'if they can make them cheaper, easy to power up and give me some more range then I'd buy one too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, actually the Tesla has outsold all luxury cars in 2013 :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'minimum tag for the Tesla is 50K'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well maybe in that class but for the average joe middle class person, it needs to get down a lot further. And not by subsidy, but by sheer innovation and market.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't mean in total, but individually :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'this country is broke, no more subsidies for stupid things like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the average joe is in love with stumping on the gas. Stumping doesn't do any good in electric cars.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, the Tesla does a very respectable job from 0 to 60.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'inquiring minds want to know why we don't let the entire region, including israel, kill each other.  Until at least as many people die as the genocides in africa, we stay out of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Africans are too dark, Kojiro.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'My problem with this is that I dont have proof that Syrian leadership did this attack. After Iraq WMD, and the ongoing IRS scandal (still unchecked) its hard to trust information from the government about this type of thing. I'd prefer to see it and make the call.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's no money in Africa - Everyone wants everyone else to think that they have justice in their heart, but at the end of the day, if the price of gas stays below $5 a gal, let 'em burn'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no court-acceptable proof that Syria did anything, November. All we have the word of people who want to go to war with Syria. So make a choice :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea november i agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'SHOW US THE PROOF or stay out.  i'm cool with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Most types of self-serving evidence can be expected to be false.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Look I think its a moderate position to say, "we shouldnt tolerate chemical weapon attacks" ... but who ordered the attack?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we don't even buy oil from the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's the second question. The first question is "was there an attack?". Hard for me to testify since I wasn't there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Then I choose to say, no war. No strike. Continue to talk it out and try to find a peaceful solution.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh i missed the talk on tesla?  darn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Not Tesla, THE Tesla :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos - telsa has NOT outsold ni 2013... that's way wrong'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'luxury cars, like porsche and mb top of line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'minimum tesla taag is 71k after tax credit, not 50k'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '0/2 i see 1 more'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I visited a shop the other day and they were offering one for 50.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'outsold porsche, yes.  not MB'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure that the Chevy Cavelier outsold all the porches'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it outsold the Tesla, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, for one thing, chevy cavalier is priced to be given away for free compared to the Tesla.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'On the oil note, when the middle east isn't able to get oil out then prices everywhere go up.  Simple supply and demand.  Even if America didn't buy a drop of Middle Eastern oil the market would be able to charge a premium in the absence of nearly half the world's supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree tesla 0-60 time is good.  1/3.  0-100 not so good'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bicycles outsold the Tesla, Vonliage. That was not the point. Inline skates probably did, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what you are saying, then, is that there was a Tesla sold... big whoop'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not exaclty "main stream"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'umm you can buy a non-repairable title damaged tesla on ebay for 50k.  you can't buy a working tesla for 50k yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Tesla is for the 'elite'... and democrats'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'everybody say hello to the tesla fanboy!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Not Guilty Kojiro greets SnailBot Anaristos warmly.
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'would love a f- Tesla himself'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's talk about corperate grade jets... I have a Gulf Stream 5, and I am SOOOO ready to upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'd love a $90k luxury car too, if I didn't have to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does Telsa make an electric jet?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point of the discussion was electric cars. I mentioned that Teslas were popular enough. Indicating that there might be some hope for the future.  Of course, it may only be a fancy of the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the future is probably electric cars.  so much infrastructure to piggyback on, i think elon is right about that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they might not be electric, or at least not li-ion'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i mean might not be battery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as people prefer to buy a cavalier over a prius, focus or whatever the GM version is called, we have no future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'Before Ford made it his mission to bring automobiles to the middle class, cars in general were a luxury.  Hell, 8Gig flash drives used to sell for upwards of a grand too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the tech cost is coming down.  just takes time'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tesla invested < $1B in R&D and has a $20B mkt cap company.  Nothing will spur innovation faster than that.  I 100% guarantee you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... there you go pinning the entire future of the human race on an over-priced, over promoted tech that is owed completly to the tax payers and the liberal tree huggers.... "we have no hope unless we re-elect Obama for a third term"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so i think you should be VERY optimistic about the future'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree. Also, when people see how well the Tesla functions they will have positive expectations for the average car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"buy a Telsa!  It's the only hope for the future of the planet!"\'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or isn't that the point of why car companies support car races? To let people see how well their cars peform at the extremes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we need a government subsidy so EVERYONE can buy a Telsa... it's the only hope for the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'buy a tefla they are slippery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'supporting races is a waste of money to advertise to car people who would discover cars through other channels anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's just one of myriad stupid things car companies do'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that might be true, but the exposure can't be denied.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'Vonliege did you take out gov subsidized loans for your education? did you pay them back? Do students who take out gov loans for school owe their entire education to the gov?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I borrowed some money, work for most of it, though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If you qualify for food stamps, reduced lunches, or recieve any manner of GIVErnment support, you DESERVE a brand new Tesla... It's the only hope for the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I only borrowed my first year. The job I got was good enough to serve the rest of the years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'teslas are really priced for people who 1.  want the attention and 2.  have the money and want a luxury car in an HOV lane in a big city without having to carpool'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they have tons of service issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I spent 25 years in a foxhole for my college money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in 3 years will probably figure it out, but the service rpeutation is horrific.  And the interior is very shoddy compared to anything around its price point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'thank you for your service, but you're still a dick.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the company itself is prone to lying and half truths, even though they made a great product'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'kojiro, got any proof to back any of this up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'mountains'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why, are you going to spank them for me?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they lie on their website in multiple places'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'ill take that as a no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'their claim about 5.4 stores NHTSA crash rating is utter contrived bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look i like their product, i respect them, i like elon.  i just call bullshit when i see and smell it.  just like i do here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and there is a lot of bullshit over at tesla'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it works :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the only basic difference is that one car doesn't burn gas, that's good enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '21 inch tires get more range than 19 inch tires?  First of all that's almost impossible.  And the only way they can make it barely possible is by running them bald in 4k miles with negative camber in the rear.  but they won't tell you that part.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and sure enough, customers getting blow outs and low pressur ewarnings check to see inside shoulders on their rears completely worn at 5k miles'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'enjoy dropping $4k on new tires every 4k miles.  there goes your gas savings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and all the carbon it takes to make a tire... yuck'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh and 3 months to order a 60 kwh battery?  lol ninja please.  NO customer has waited more than 60 days to delivery since, like, march.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anyway, i'll stop here with miles to go and now you can take it as a yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well 4K might be steep. The question is question how much I spend on gas every 4K miles. The proposition might have merit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '4k to replace those high performance tires.  it's actually more.  you gotta go through tesla so they fuck you up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they are not doing anything different from a lot of other companies, so that's complaint doesn't forward your case :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you probably buy electricity at 12c, which is probably about a third of what you pay for gas, so you might save $1300 a year on gas if you drive a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my case is just they lie to their customers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see my point above :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and it's sad, because they don't have to.  the product is fantastic for a first try, even though it's a 7/10 on an absolute scale'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how much do you save the environment? Or are you going to say that the tesla does as much damage to the environment as the gas fueled cars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'GM doesn't falsely advertise safety ratings, nor does it falsely advertise high performance tires, nor does it lie about delivery times.  neither do other cmopanies.  so what's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, GM is the paragon on integrity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i haven't gone down that rabbit hole anaristos, so i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that they don't lie, so the must be a very ethical company :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't really care, so i haven't bothered to figure out who is right'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'easy to be unethical while telling the truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'somem say, depending how your grid makes electricity, a tesla is as dirty as ICE, even dirtier potentially'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that your complaints about Tesla can be applied to other car companies. My point is that the Tesla is the future, if not the present. So rather than condemn them for what they do, guide them to do the right thing as well as provide a product that is good for mother Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but i don't know the carbon footprint of gasoline production.  anyway, i don't care to figure out who is right.  neither side is likely to have many converts because it's an emotional issue not rooted in analysis'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'tesla makes some decent cars'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just told you the other companies don't like like tesla does'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and im pretty sure they were top selling automaker of 2013'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol they were NOT'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elon is like the media ring master i love it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the Earth doesn't naturally burn processed petroleum as a matter of course. So while I can't claim that it is not  natural (since it can be done), it is not the best thing to do for the ecology.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats just what i've seen'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you've seen completely false info then'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who was the top automaker?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'top earning auto maker'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, any carbon footprint from burning gas sucks :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'duh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pick anybody other than tesla and chrysler and a european...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who cares what cars are putting into the atmosphere look and china and tepcos monster 2 year plus fuckup'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't just my actions by what my neighbor does. I am responsible for my own actions. The same applies to companies. Just because China or Upper Volta does this or that does not justify what a US company may do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so what do you drive'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i drive a bike and bus'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't drive :) I haven't seen a road in a while :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what is producing the power for you to play aardwolf right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'god?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'something tells me it's not a littl ehydroelectirc generator on the creek in your backyard'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'cut your hair hippie :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and get a job'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good point. I admit I am not devoted enough to turn feral in protest for the raping of the environment :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ya lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sounds like you have no idea where your power comes form'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh rape lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so the concern about your impact on earth is... low.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know where my power currently comes from. I also know that normally power for cities come from  burning fuel, those who are not (un)fortunate enough to exist near hydroelectric projects.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'first the white man raped the natives land and now they are raping mother natures enviroment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so i'll ask again, where does it come from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not at liberty to answer that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im still going with god'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol, ok.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or the friction from raping the enviroment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ooo i like that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but it's ok to kidnap the sun with solar power, right?  or molest the water with tidal harness?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'meh i gave that enviroment hoe some daterape and back eazy peaze'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the environment doesn't stand a chance because the current philosophy is that by the time what one does today reflects back, one will be dead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im all for global depopulation'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the environment will be fine, kid'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excludes arson and allowing rods at nuclear plants to overheat, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ya just dont drink the future water cause china fucked that shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the environment will be fine as soon as the human race becomes extinct :) All it needs is a little rest :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'india and china aren't going to give a shit no matter what ok?  you need a free, rich, creative country like the US free to do whatever the fuck they need to do to invent shit that is both commercially viable and environmentally responsible.  that will happen with time.  until then, fuck it we're all dead anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if earth feels like its dieing it will teraform'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it will rise up and kill everything like it did the dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe it will get lucky and another comet will  strike. Though the closest encounter coming up is rather disappointing :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'those dinos man, all that methane clogging up the atmosphere.  earth just needed a reset'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats looking pretty good comet ison is coming'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the closest encounter will be in '26. Not close enough even for the item to light up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anristos, those of who are rich from fucking up the earth will buy protection from the comet, you will die, and we can go back to living it up in peace'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you haven't thought through this comet thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nor the ensuing 200 year dust cloud of eternal darkness enveloping the earth and killing all the tree you hoped to save'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, as the K-P boundary event showed, money can't always buy safety :) Unless they ship outplanet, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what's that keanu reeves alien movie where he wants to save the earth by destroying it?  i think anaristos was in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, I watch the Earth get moody every day. Tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes. Money can't protect anyone from those if the Earth decides to get rid of people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh god, you really aren't a very rational person, are you'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though the US could build  better along the Atlantic coast :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just wasted a lot of time.  and aren't you the one i had to teach last time about probabilism and the spaghetti monster refutation?  ugh.  never again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think whether you think I am rational or not disturbs me, Kojiro. I are not on my list of qualified critics :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are not, rather :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'newbie channel gives life meaning, even if it is an odd meaning :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone notice Obama's dictat banning gun and munition imports?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried to sneak that one under the net, didn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'warriors tend to do that, note berserk.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting that Obama finds himself in this syria pickle'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'citicism over Bush's foreign escapades was a key point in Obama's campaign.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in other news, rainbows are now subject to a 25% "happy tax"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn those rainbow taxes, racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what are rainbow taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cameron would have licked Obama's arse and followed suit had he not realised the public would have kicked the shit out of him at the election in 2015'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tax on straight people, Thiazzi'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'how does that work?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not gay, you're a racist, and therefore must be taxed for the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it works, i'm not sure how else it can be explained'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sarcasm aside, i think you'll find vonliege was being equally sarcastic'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly a rainbow tax would only work in Ireland'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest reports suggest the chemical weapon attack in Syria was an accident perpetrated by rebels who didn't have appropriate training for chemical weapons sourced from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hold your breath for Obama talking about cruise missile strikes on Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama's election was a mistake perpetrated by a large sequence of 'low information voters' all hitting the wrong button in the voting booth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's still president'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or people voting for what they perceived was the lesser of 2 evils, despite there being more than 2 options'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't give a flip about syria anymore... that ship has sailed.  any initiative the world may have had in correcting the situation passed in the first 72 hours... anything that happens now will be like that guy on the price is right who looks and listens to the audience to see what his choice should be.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the window to help syria was screwed the second the west decided to arm/aim/train the jihadi's'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh please... it started WAY before THAT... it started with naked british agression and colonialism'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, French in this case, but yes, colonialism. We've stopped that since.... what's your excuse?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're not done with out turn, yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out = our'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know i don't support foreign military adventures'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said... syria is yesterdays news... the only succesful incursion is the one that happens in the dark, and that doesn't make the news.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a bullet here, and over turned truck there... a few photos sent to the press at the right time... that's how you control the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rockets and war planes are for the 30 second news bite... distractions and deflections.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what issues are your radar?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if not Syria?)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the wise man will be watching what happens behind the rocket's red glare and bombs bursting in air.... what legislation will get slipped thru... what power will change hands in south america...  did the first dog get a new diet.... that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Obama did pass an order banning imports of foreign guns/ammo/parts'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the timing was a bit off, but there was a pretty big gun control law put in place last night...  targeting imports of foreign military surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given he can regulate gun manufacturers in his own country, it's half of a defacto gun ban'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I expect to see some quiet changes to the affordable helathcare act... softening of corners to placate large doners.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, it's a car crash in slow motion, that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone in the UK could have told you that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'corperate america, IF they are so all-powerful, would have stopped obama care some time ago.  It's going to be hell for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fact that it is still a possibility means that the banking/corperate machine is not so omnipotent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate america wants this, they don't care'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, the REAL skill would be taking the fear and loathing right up to the hairy edge before killing it... don't let a good crisis go to waste, and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Delta will be in for 140 million a year under obama care.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their management all have health insurance anyway, and the serfs can be cut to 30hrs to avoid it. The finance, insurance, and medical industrial complexes will basically be printing money with obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Delta are an airline, right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the tickets go up'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real money and control is in the finance/medical industries'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks, insurance, pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I though it was in military/industrial'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military too, they're not affected by obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or was it orc/goblin... I forget'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad guy is a bad guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the machine will go where it will.. .what ever label you pin on it this week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until people start shoving bars through the wheels to slow it down and eventually stop it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or barricade their part of paradise out so the machine can't roll in'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure if a halted machine is the way to go... better to mess with the tracks and make it go where you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, bring that fucker down!'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and invite chaos and anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have that many trigger fingers'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it invite chaos and anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military industrial complex doesn't operate on home turg'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts revs his engines at the corner of a rival gang's turf, looking to start a fight.
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turf* even'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'FEMA, HLS, IRS... they all have giuns now... they are the domestic military machine.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need getting rid of (it'll reduce your deficit, too)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't necessary, any of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not likely to happen... sort of like your ears trying to get rid of your nose.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth not? Get a decent libertarian in the white house and he can tear them down. IRS will be the least likely to go, but the others are dead easy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where did this defeatist attitude come from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's less about "defeatism", and more about know what wall to beat your head against.  Rather than accept defeat, you look for a softer wall.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at present - any anti-big-givernment talk gets you labeld as a terrorist (and the chicken takers believe it).'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chicken-takers need to see the liberals for what they are - slave masters for our age'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all a matter of branding'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell it to the chicken takers as empowerment'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell it to them in the guise of moving the base of power to their state'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give them extra money if needbe'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason that the chicken-taker party brands us as terrorists is because the "opposition" party doesn't want small government either, so isn't defending us'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have heard this labelled as the left-right paradigm - both parties wanting essentially the samet hing'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's worth looking at the case of Joe Mendez in California'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like supplying a liberal idealist with a presidency'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is a liberal idealist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... err.. duhhh... Obama?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he is not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. sorry... he's a conservative hard lineer'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now measure Obama against that definition and see if you still think he is a liberal idealist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is not an autonym of liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about "progresive idealist"  will that fit?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if by "progressive" you mean "bankrupt the country in order to centralise power and control in the hands of a handful of political and corporate elite"? then yes, though you could say the same of much of the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. how about I just say I don't like where he's leading the country, and I want things back they way they were before the new deal?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, i totally understand that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm no fan either'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think I want the likes of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz to take over the GOP?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian republicanism, proper libertarian (true liberals, free markets) proper republicans (support the constitution, small government, states rights)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why I now support UKIP in the UK, albeit they aren't libertarians, but are the closest we have'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ack, zombies are after my bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly, VA psychiatric evaluators (which allegedly regular evaluations are mandatory) are being paid $3000 per veteran that they are able to dispossess of guns by passing them as medically unfit'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGp8g14zzBk http://tinyurl.com/oan4ozy http://tinyurl.com/ckbhb6 http://tinyurl.com/cqhzwc http://tinyurl.com/on3h7s2 http://tinyurl.com/njrluqm http://tinyurl.com/bw4sake http://tinyurl.com/ogb53cy http://tinyurl.com/yfxrgyy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of context for you with it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the worst offenders seem to be NYC'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the command bases of the fake authoritarian liberals'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I get the context... but consider - Just because you are a veteran (and I am), doesn't mean that you shouldn't ever be determined to be whacko'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still looking for the $3K payoff part'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'best sales tactic for guns and ammo... threaten regulation'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only 5 minutes into it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hang on, there's a transcript of the part somewhere, sec'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should say that i did say allegedly, but i wouldn't be at all surprised - doctors get kickbacks for prescribing certain pharma products, escpecially SSRi's, since they're addictive'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the payoff part would be low... but the truth is that alot of veterans are plain crazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and most are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and... it's an easily identifiable group... easy target'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is "low hanging fruit"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. no it does not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't justify it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it makes it understandable... you don't have to agree with something to understand it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and don't confuse "understandable" with "reasonable"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like many do'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am always bothered when someone say "that's understandable" and the inference is that they "agree" with it... I would like to have the option to say "that's understandable", but not be counted as someone who agrees, just because they inderstand'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try a more succinct phrase'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or caveat it inline'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't want another phrase... I want THAT one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can use it, but it's subject to misinterpretation'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the word "niggardly"... has nothing to so with black people, but it'll get you fired quicker'n you can blink'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh... here's a good one - Irregardless.... no such word'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if it were, it'd be like a double negative.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's understandable that Hitler wanted to gas 6 million Jews. you try getting away with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... I was going to use that example... didn't wanna derail the debate, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and yes... it IS understandable - and so very very evil'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forever trying to learn better ways of getting my point across that captures the nuances of my opinion and reasoning, but I always fail'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'text is a pretty big handicap, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, wasn't a transcript, was just excerpts'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which won't satisfy you because of the possibility of being taken out of context :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phrasing aside, there does appear to be a trend that, as many predicted, Obama's administration and supporting lackeys would use medical tyranny to disarm people where getting laws passed failed'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are way too many examples for it to be mere mistakes and coincidence'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, UK is looking like another housing bubble/crash'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also in better news, stock markets around the world fell today'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another 30 billion barrel shale deposit of oil was found in west texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did someone lose it, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, about 60 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty careless of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more oil you won't be able to use'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that brings the total to about 12 shale deposits in Texas so far or about 150 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all well and good, but it's useless unless you can get rid of Al Gore and the corporate envirofascists'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is also now the 14th largest oil producer in the world, if Texas was its own country....we passed Norway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algore has no say on Texas'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while texas is part of the united states, he has a say'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we booted the last environmentalist out of the state last week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you didn't notice, Obama gave the DEA the ability to classify CO2 as a pollutant, and therefore regulate it without congressional approval very recently'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA doesnt enforce environmental laws.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, EPA'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all alphabet soup to me, we have real department names here'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, was done without a vote'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EPA is thinking of bringing back limited use of DDT in some states, such as Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to help control the mosquito problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many patriots will it kill or seriously injure?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How does it affect the price of bacon ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the football team ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not supposed to talk about such things, we're only supposed to talk about Miley Cyrus's inadequate breasts, ugly costume, and who'll win the soccer tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else and you're a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, Ted Nugents wife was stopped at the airport for having a concealed handgun in her purse.....could face a fine of up to $2000'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor old uncle ted'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda surprised the dallas TSA actually found the gun....'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that bad, are they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, she is a hottie....'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're usually just there to touch people up'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they hire paedophiles, narcissists,  and thieves especially'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kids of politicians then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of thing, yeah'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those too intelligent to be cops'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'expect 40% smaller pork harvest next year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get pork from the uSA, so i'm not bothered'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope not cc, or sysco....hate sysco.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Sysco isn't worth the scrabble letters it hold. They're bunk. As is US foods.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they do use electricity, via generators.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In what way is requiring voters to present some form of picture ID racist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'who says it is?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'democratic legislators'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'siting that a dis-proportionate number of minorities do not have any form of ID'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's just too many instances of voters going from poll to poll voting for their fav candidate.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a woman in Atlanta was on the news several months ago bragging that she had voted 26 times.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'clever enough to pull that scam but not bright enough to keep her yap shut?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she said she was part of a bus full of people that were all doing the same thing... the bus hauled 30 or so people (I forget) from poll to poll.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in a population center like ATL, I can see where that would be effective'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'voter ID is not unreasonable'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I tend to be center/left generally, but I really don't see why people shouldn't identify themselves when exercising their franchise.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if for no other reason - as a form of fraud reduction'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't argue that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In 2000 (the "hanging chad election"), my military absentee vote was not counted because I didn't include a photocopy of my military ID... A rule they made up AFTER election day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fear being that there would be some millions of magically appearing absentee votes to tip the election.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo - if the vote didn't include some form of ID, it wasn't counted (none of them included such)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rule is that military absentee votes don't get counted anyway unless there is a chance that they could decide the election.. which in FL that year was a very real possibility.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ID rule has since disappeared.. not sure how or why.  The rule was one of the main reasons that a Military ID (CAC) no longer has your SSN on it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... _A_ reason... probobly not a _main_ reaosn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'people go to apple stores opening. by plane. from another side of the world. some have visited 30-50 openings. wtf.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it looks worse than old Kim's death celebrations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkeMpN8hOI'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'at 5:00'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe they are hoping that the next device apple releases actually will be good.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eh. sometimes i just wonder how people can do these kins of things.. so crazy. there must be something in the water or something'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what happens in cults.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'one minion told "when Steve talks then everybody listens becaus he really tells you what you would like to do"'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Apple devices are nice for people that don't know a lot about tech, and want something that just works if you want to do things they way steve decided you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Healthy" school lunches are ending up in the trash - kids won't eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Children on free lunch should not have a choice - If they take a tray, they will eat the food.  If they don't take the tray, I don't have to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so Obama has decided not to decide, and instead, has sent the decision to congress... that's new'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's exactly the right call'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said.. it's new.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody wants to be left holding the blame bag when it inevitably goes to hell'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'congress won't even start discussing it untill the 9th'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reason the president HAS the authority is so that he can be _decisive_'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he needs to man up and make a decision.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes or no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no, absolutely wrong, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd be ok with either one... but for god sake - be a man'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the president should only do that if the US is under immediate attack'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'otherwise the congress should decide that, not the president.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's in black and white in the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at the precedent... Reagan, Bush (x2) clinton....'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'just hasn't been followed effectively since WWII, and it's been a disaster every single time the President basically engaged in warfare without congressional declaration, because we then have no strategy'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'well this time there is a country with weapons of mass destruction and used it. what's the US going to do? =)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and ultimately you end up with people split on whether the war is a worthwhile cause'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Forget the precedent. Look at this: http://tinyurl.com/boszxoe'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now, the cirus will whack it around congress and not make a decision... makes us ALL look like clowns'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama said [Don't you use those chemicals, or ELSE!]... so they used the chemicals, and Obama says [let me get back to you]'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'don't let me down play the victim's lives, because it is tragic - but more people have died in collateral damage from our war in Iraq than in this "attack".  And similar results would be expected in Syria.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps it's the definition of "collateral damage" that's been skewed.... It doesn't do much good to 'liberate' people if you end up killing some of them... on the other hand, the average German worker was a fair target during WWII'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's just it though.  In war you've got clear goals - disable/destroy the state that threatens you.  Most conflicts of late aren't about destroying a country, but trying to change the regime in charge.  That's not something you solve by simply dropping in guns and tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Plenty of countries have changed regimes via guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and in this particular case, let's face it - the opposition to Syria's government is a bunch of religious jihadist types.  It's really NOT in America's interests to support that regime change.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is why I don't really have a position on go or no-go.... just make a decision.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you [Obama] made a threat... not congress... now deal with the decision'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he did.  He decided there wasn't an immediate threat that justified bypassing congress.  I think he's correct.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what will congress do?  not 'how will they side', but what will be the process?  will they have to go to the voters for a referendum on who they vote?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will the president ultimatly have to turn to the UN for a decision?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will little timmy ever get out of the well?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's up to each congressman.  Maybe it'll force them to actually think about the situation and vote their conscious rather than reading from the party teleprompter.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'conscience, even'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the point is if congress authorizes it, then they also take responsibility to budget and pay for it.  No more running up trillions of dollars in expenses and then blaming Congress for not being able to work out the numbers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and again, it's in the constitution.  The congress is more proportionally representative of the people, and better reflects their will than the opinion of a single, executive figure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'on what planet? Obama was elected by 5%, Senate by majority, House by MINOTITY! Am,ericans wanted Dems'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'now, I'd certainly agree Obama let his rhetoric get ahead of him by speaking of the certainty of dire consequences should Assad, or any regime, use banned weapons.  It would really be in the US's best interest to work with the UN security council and not opposed to it - a truly international force has a much better of bringing peace to the 2 year war going on in that country than us charging in there with the reputation we've already acquired for tearing up middle eastern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Whig: Obama's 100% democrat.  The congress, much like the American people, is more of a 50-50 split.  (independent vote aside, which is an important but different discussion)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'clan hehe'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hang on, cleaning egg off face now'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri fluffles Taokan's fur mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'How different? You said Congress better represented the American People, but they do not! American voted Dem in both houses, but gerimandering allowed Repubs to hold the House while getting a minority of votes'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'congress certainly has it's representation issues (what percentage of congress is green?  libertarian?  Athiest?  Women?).  But it's more representative than simply taking the opinion of the President and letting that decide war/no-war'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'LOL. Except for that sneeaky Constitution, which gives the President that decision, while 'consulting with Congress' not giving them the vote. '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Do not misunderstand me. I think Obama should decide to have Congress vote. That way they must take responsibility too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'instead of criticizing Obama NO MATTER his decision they must support him or not an take responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that no matter what happens, if you count the number of lives, the difference will be small whether US will drop bombs or not. It will just change the faces of those that will do the dieing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'many years ago the UN voted to always intervene if a country used WMD's. Now their internal politics are stopping them from following that rational decision. Obama definitely needs to challenge them on this. If we all go back to 'as long as its not us' decision making ..... well, you musta read a history of WW1 and WW2.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'problem with UN is that they are usually quite incapable of acting due to the veto right int he security councel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree we need allies, but this is very dangerous to ignore.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if is dangerous to act as well without the consent of the allies or own population'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I know that Elf, but we must still call them on it, publically.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know. As long as it does not boil down to that you have to act because Obama was speaking about crossing a line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'killing ppl shouldn't be done to save your own face or to tear the "paper tiger".'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So for you its just about who is the President? This is something I would certainly have to support from GWB. This is both a commitment and a VERY dangerous thing to ignore. If Assad is losing, do you not think he will give these weapons to factions who support him to use for terror?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Assad has no intention of losing or he would have left his position long ago. He'll probably fight until he's killed or his army incapacitated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that will be expensive in many aspects'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and the president, regardless of who, is the one with all the available info and the Constutional mandate to decide'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Conservative need to get over their 'Obama Derangement Syndrom' and think about real issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think in front of the right folks on the security council, the US government needs to share its intelligence on this matter.  Either we have a compelling case that Assad used WMDs, or we don't.  Right now, publicly, Russia is not convinced.  And after Iraq, a number of US folks are skeptical, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree Taoken, but Russia disagrees only because of Putin refusing to acknowledge what even the UN inspectors know. He does not WANT to agree with the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the light of some recent bombings in other countries it's quite understanable that there is some sceptisism. Cards on the table, then bomb, or don't bomb.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'scepticism*'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'we set a far more dangerous precident than a dictator using some chem weapons on his own people, every time we opt to ignore the UN security council and engage in warfare that is not globally sanctioned.  We're basically challenging the world to stop us.  And if ever one day they get ballsy enough to say NO, it's gonna be two nuclear nations in opposition, and that just might be cataclysm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So Putin may never agree no matter the evidence. Besides, Assad buys mostly Russian weapons .... so like many USA decisions, he may have economic reasons to support Assad'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Of course Putin has economic reasons to support Assad'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder if Obama will return the peace price now that he has decided to start a new war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'It was a joke to give him one originally for doing nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stupid norwegians.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That whole commission is a joke. I can find a Nobel Peace Prize in my cereal box tomorrow morning. Its that valuable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, he did promise to stop the war in iraq and close guantanamo. Not that he did any of that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'You can win a cracker-jack box Nobel Peace Prize just by talking about it, apparently. From a teleprompter no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's still a million dollar price, I think... but I don't eat cereal :('
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'All fluff. He has absolutely no idea how to run the US government. He loves being the head of state though. *slaps forehead* America, you can do better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just wonder what the purpose will be with an attack on syria... newsreporters here seem confused. Killing people to show that killing is wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno about that, Nov, just know that he's a mass murdering terrorist, just like all US presidents post truman.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'wtf is syria? anyone from there speak up'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'please, i'd like to know wtf is happening'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well theres over 100,000 people dead now there in a bloody civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone from syria pls'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'The smart ones, 1.7 million of them left when it got ugly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont know what syria is'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its a pawn right? its a way for the soviets to target the capitalist? '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well at least Congress will debate it now. Apparently no rush either. At least with Congress, because he has an opposition party in charge of the House - there will be questioning, debate, and critical examination of the evidence.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Maybe a year or so and they will have an answer for Obama. But not after the 14' elections.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just have a sense of deja vu, just as with the attack on iraq. '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which attack on iraq?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'help history'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ask the googles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its still some war between usa and ussr maybe? '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont even know where syria is though tbh'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can you find the US on a world map?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, the iraq war is not a proxy war, it's a war to keep control of oil. Syria is kind of an exception, imo, most other wars the US are doing in the middle east is to keep control of oil. I don't know why they want to go to war in syria, but I bet the reason is notto protect people from chemical weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you look at US foreign policy since the Reagan admin. and what it is based on you will understand that Syria has been the target all along. Syria has been the only concern of the US in the ME as far a offering some sort of military challenge in the region. The foreign policy has been designed to neutralize Syria. To this purpose ( along with the control of oil as a bonus) Iraq was engaged. I think I mentioned that research the position papers from the Heritage Foundation ( a think tank that drove the Reagan policy making) would be very enlightening.'