T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... and all of that with the purpose of winning the cold war then, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It just hurts my soul to hear obama talking about assad killing children, while at the same time sending drones into pakistan and afghanistan killing thousands...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'war is hell...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but not too bad is you are just sending troops :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I wouldn't call the unmanned drones part of a war. It's just terrorism. Of course, war is the ultimate terrorism...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'machines are used when controlling the territory is not the goal. So I guess "terrorism" is an apt  label.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since most wars today are urban in nature you must use humans to control the territory, mainly because only the territory occupied by a troop is controlled.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the minute the soldier walks away control is lost :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's always been true. In Sweden, we learned that lesson in the 1600s. '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mojojojo: 'hello great debators'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a change to normally advertised subjects, the world's oldest known wild bear has died in Minnesota age 39'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's the age multiplier for bears?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, it's almost certainly not comparable'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a typical Obama supporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0IhyAasWw'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eu plans tabled to fit all cars with speed limiters that automatically limit according to the speed limit'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like another good reason in a long list of good reasons for UK to leave the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if people want to kill themselves and take a few with them by driving at dangerously high speeds, who should meddle? :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU cannot make laws, it's up to each country to do. I doubt many countries would adapt such a law.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when did the UK join the EU? I thought they stayed out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't join the single currency, but we are part of the EU and subject to all their shite'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UK was one of the founders iirc'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UK doesn't consider itself European :) Which make sense since their ancestors landed at Stonehenge :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most european countries are not in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most geographically european countries are in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but that's beside the point as far as the UK  is concerned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Geographically european?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't care what it's called, a union of countries with different economic, geographical, and social issues is always to fall on it's face'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I doubt if a human species developed independently there, so...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'physically on the european plate, ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure that the British Isles are part of the continental shelf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was someone suggesting they they're not?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are 48 countries in europe, of which 27 are in EU. So, I guess a majority is in the EU, but just barely.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so they are in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that 48 includes non-countries like the Vatican City, Monaco and Angola'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vatican City is a country :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plus, America keeps going around bombing shit causing countries to fracture into smaller ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In your opinion, non-countries.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '28 states are members of EU.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of this notwithstanding, the EU is a failed experiment, and way outside the bounds of how it was sold to the british public, which was a as a free-trade area'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what do you consider a country then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was ever told that it was going to be a political union'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't the UK join when it was the coal and steel union?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Angola Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Vatican City is more of a country than most since they don't owe money to any other country those  validating their sovereignty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not angola, andorra'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imo, the free trade part of EU works pretty well. It's the rest that is broken, like the EMU.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't be sovereign and owe money :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the default score is set to favor the class of the wearer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, Ranrr, if you asked all the euro-sceptic british people if they wanted to be part of the free trade area, but not part of a political union, they'd be happy with that'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same for sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the British would join if they could rule the EU :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you all got to see the youtube of the stereotypical Obama supporter earlier'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I curious to know why you people didn't pick on the GW, he was by far worse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for one, we did, for two, far worse at what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't know. Iraq, Afghanistan, the collapse of the banking system, gee, little things like that.  Oh, Enron, Halliburton...  minor stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't even put 9/11 on the plate :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the banking system collapse started with Clinton, absolutely on Iraq and Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I personally give Obama's lot a hard time about this, because they got elected promising to do exactly the opposite of what they then went on to do'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, no, don't blame it on Clinton. Whatever Clinton did, he left a surplus in the treasury, surplus which the Bush proceeded to blow in months.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you vote for GWB and a neocon ticket, sure bitch about it, but that's what it says on the tin'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Anaristos, Clinton oversaw the removal of all the protections in the financial services industry that were preventing exactly the things that then caused the collapse'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is exactly to blame for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the rest went along with it because they are bought off by the same vested interests in the corporate banking machine'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, sorry. Both bushes were great presidents. What was I thinking about. I wish they could be presidents again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Alternatively, Clinton was president during a pleasant boom period, and all he had to do to get a budget surplus was twiddle his thumbs, or whatever else he preferred to twiddle.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Iraq feels the same way. They wish The GW could be in the White House again. The need their population trimmed just a little bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about everyone kicks these interests out of your parties and revert them back to what they're supposed to be about?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not my parties :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Warning! TN is a right-wing strawman producer who will always try to blame Clinton of Obama for the crap the Right pulled. For example, the removal of Glass-Steigal [right wing talking point] was PART of an agreement Clinton had with CONSERVATIVES, for which he got much to make the economy run, but conservatives insisted on repeal, not Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not a partisan :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so..what did Clinton get out of the bargain?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the little Bush took office US average price for 1 gallon of gasoline was 1.429...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade been changing his name again?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and for some reason Zapata  Oil made a killing during his presidency...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'GS is a strawman, conservatives did the bidding of bankers and allowed them [demanded their freedom to manipulate the debt] then tried to, as usual, blame Dems'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure he was an innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Clinton got internal infrastructure spending, and wage supposrt to PAY DOWN THE DEFICIT, which R's did NOT want'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did it start being federal policy to take the small-business contract budget and hand it to fortune 500 companies?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I am certain you remmeber that at the end of Clinton's watch deficit was actually surplus!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, that was a shame, imagine the nerve of that man actually balancing the budget. What a jerk!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'But I, who am very non-wealthy, was offered an 'opportunity to buy a house, which [according to the bank] I could afford in the long run. Luckily I was by myself, so i did not have a family to find housing in a high rent market. I could not be sold'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a good idea for you then, whig, what we'll do is tighten the building regs up, restrict the supply of land, and ensure that plenty of immigrants come in so that the price of houses inflates vastly ahead of wages. See how that helps you buy a house?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Those houses were sold by banks, who wanted to manipulate the debt, and did NOT want you to own it.... wanted the defaults'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks are still stealing properties that don't belong with them - there's a big scam going on in the US with mortgage titles right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'THAT was catastrophe. And it was conservatives, not libs, who insisted on 'no regualation by 'evil big government''
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there -are- no libs in government'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the possible exception of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Ted Cruz. Scary man.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scarier than someone who allows unfettered spying without warrants, deathsquads, war without congressional approval?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't ever gonna get perfect.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so you are not going to blame the bush for that either? Amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's as guilty, but he's also not in charge'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama  has allowed it, but he didn't start it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or have you forgotten who rammed the patriot act through congress?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GWB has no power to fix any of this'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'conservative NEVER EVER admit when they are wrong. They change the topic, blame the messanger, attack the victims or invent a strawman, but NEVER EVER admit when thwey are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, the poor fellow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's get this straight, in the face of something that has been badly wrong for 13 years, your solution is not "get the people in charge to sort it out", but "blame the people who started it and let the current people continue to make the same mistakes"'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I blame Tony Blair for Iraq, but he can't do anything about it now, I have to deal with the bankers in charge now'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, but all I hear is Obama this and Obama that. While bush was sticking a broom up the US's ass, everyone was looking the other way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Strawman!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the contrary, Anaristos, they were saying the same things, but what you have is a partisan country of deluded sheep. When GWB was in charge, the political left were crying foul. As soon as Obama gets in they go to sleep so gets a parse continuing all the crap that GWB started'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as far as I am concerned Bush should be tries  for  crimes against humanity.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Blair with him'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but retribution is a long way down my l ist of things that need doing as a matter of urgency'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'conservative cannot get past 'Obama Derangement Syndrome' to actually look at facts. That lost to the ni ...ni.... ni..., well you know. They lost TWICE, and they cannot swallow their gall enough to work with the man Americans elected'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come back when you get a liberal in charge of the democrats, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you should have elected the Mittens, he would have been a great president, I am sure. Even if he didn't make any bones about who he was going to help.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'for example, infrastructure spending, which both sides know we need desperately, but R's actually publically said 'we cannot give Obama this victory' so they oppose it! Obama Derangement Syndrome, in full force'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'They claim they hate government, yet fight like madmen to be elected to it. '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against infrastructure spending, depending on the spending, for example several billion spent on social housing here would be great. Spending $60bn on a high speed rail line that benefits only the corporate fascists themselves, when most of the money will go to their croney paymasters in terms of offshore contracts, is a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you don't mind a war that benifts Halliberton :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'how about rebuilding highways, bridges etc, which helps rich and poor alike?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only purpose of modern warfare is for the bottom line of the military industrial complex'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when have you ever seen me supporting war?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I'd rather have 60B spent on a highspeed rail, no matter who gets to use it. Than 600B on a war.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather the 60bn spent on social housing, or failing that, not raising the deficit'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roads and bridges i don't have an issue for, however in the states you could consider those both something that should be done through the states and not at a federal level'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's an interstate'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the gw blew the roof off the deficit ceiling and the cronies left behind in congress want to make sure the roof stays off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but begs the question - i bet were there huge contracts it would go to multi-nationals whereas what you want is small and medium sized businesses getting those contracts, even if it means paying more for them'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'the reason most of the World are reluctant to support Obama in Syria is because of Bush outright lying about Iraq. Now, do you think there are WMD's in Syria? Do you think they are being used? Is Obama lying about it? Has not the World, for 90 years, promised to support this very thing?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No, no, personally? no he's only being told by the MIC, what sort of thing?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, if the middle tier got involved there would be no crisis. The crisis stems from the vacuuming the upper tier is engaged in. They are determined to strip this country bare.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Use of chemical weapons, after the gas weapons used in WW1'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precisely, anaristos, and that vacuuming is independant of political party, and to a large degree, of political ideology'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I agree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something Whig doesn't see because he's an arch-communist'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why if you say anything which is politically right of Mao Zedong, he calls you a right wing strawman'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, radicals come in all flavors, the extreme right and the extreme left meet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'brb, RL intervenes'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to shove the term "radical" and "extremist" up Al Sharpton's arse. Painting everything that anyone thinks or does that isn't accordance with the agenda of those same corporatists that you hate as radical or extremist is one of the things that allows them to continue to get away with what they do'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's managed to buy himself a one-way panning from the mainstream press now, since he's backpedalled some'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll learn him'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I used to think the the lack of shame was the root of our current 'entitlement' problems in the US...  Now I realize - It's 'hunger'.  What we need is a little hunger.  Both metephorical and literal.  Nothing like a little hunger to motivate progress and productivity.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not starvation, mind you... just a hint of hunger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I volunteered at my daughter's middle school cafeteria for a couple days last week.  In this school, 61% of the children are on free lunch (I know this, because it means the school gets "Title One" funding").  I know plenty of my childs class mates, and who's who in the town, so it was a reasonably simple task to determine the children on the free lunch (there used to be a special color meal card for them, but can't have that shame, now... can we?).... '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'nothing wrong with free food :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was not entirly suprised to surmise that of the children bringing their trays to me for dumping, there was A LOT more 'free lunch' kids bringing their trays to me with nothing touched but the cookie.  Where as the children who's parents were paying for their lunch, while not spotless, were at least mostly eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the children with the free lunch had no appreciation for the food, and apparently were not all THAT hungry... they threw away most of their food'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT'S what wrong with free food'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'People in the US can afford to waste food because most of them don't know how the food is mass produced.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'given the current economy, I beg to differ... we CAN NOT afford to waste anything.  Especially food that my tax dollars are paying for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'I consider tax money, lost money lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'the government takeith and i move on with my life'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and now, there is free breakfast, AND a substantial snack on the way out the door.  The premis is that these children are not being fed at home, so it is the institutions responsibility to do so.  This is a falsehood.  Unless you are going to force feed the children nutrition while you have them at school, you are just pissing in the wind... they will wait until they get home and eat the hot pockets and pizza rolls'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'if they ever put it to good use, then great, otherwise its going into someone's pocket or military'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you mean "military"?  you mean the soldiers are putting it into their pockets?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'not at all, i mean funding the country's military'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we give them food to take home for the weekends.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so then when you say "someone's pockets", you mean "someone's pockets" AND "someone else's" pockets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'of course there are weapons and defense contracts as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'someone else's pocket'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hunger... someone who is healthy, yet non-productive should be provided just enough to keep from starving or freezing to death... poverty means poverty, and unless you allow the insentive to get our of poverty to exist, the number of people on entitlement programs will grow and grow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'remember the big Wall Street "bail out"? that's in someone else's pocket'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indirectly... I was for lettig the banks fail, myself.  It would have been horrific, and I would have lost a fair amount of money, but the natural order would have recovered itself, and things would have been as they should - the weak will have perished, and the strong will carry on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but rather, in the US, we prop up the weak - encourage them to re-produce... If we would just let them be hungry, maybe they'd do something about finding some food, rather than fornicating and re-producing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we haven't actually left the natural order.  Nobody really wants to hear that things are just this harsh naturally, though, so they pretend that some evil bastard royally fucked everyone's shit up and now we have to choose the lesser of two evils just to stay worse off than we were before.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my wife, this year in her 6th grade classroom, has three children with the same father, and different monthers... last year, she had FOUR children by the same father and different mothers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'kudos to the father...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're called baby mamas and accidents'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and and this year, she has a fifth child by that same father, and yet another mother.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you better hope that your wife doesn't meet those fathers'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so here's the question then, what can you do about situations like that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than use that massive government propaganda machine to make it socially unacceptable to have more than 2 kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's practically as sacred an institution in black culture as wife is.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Those fathers" are the breeders down in the ghetto.  Mothers TRY to have babies by aws many different fathers as they can, because having a baby by a man confers a small amount of protection, and provision.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well hans, you have some supporters of that cause in funny places, Pastor Manning was decrying black 'fathers' in his sermon recently'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many black wives, in fact, have no real problems with baby mamas, but as soon as they hear about their men taking a bottom bitch out come the knives.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG:  My solution is to stop doing ANYTHING... stop feeding them - stop housing them - stop giving them phones and TVs and heat and A/C and cable.... let them place survival a little higher up on their priotiy list.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let's just stop helping the poor un-Americans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop feeding who?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. like I opened this discusion... I am not saying to starve anyone... just let them be hungry'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'US helps out other countries more than they help out their own people lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the mama bird does when she want's to clear out the next... she starts plucking the soft stuff out to make the nest less comfortable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eventually, the baby chicks say "to hell with this" and strike out on their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's get real, you can't just unfund them in a blanket ban as it'll screw the kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our poor are vastly more well-off than their poor.  They could be practically upper middle-class if we just diverted funds from out to in.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't steralise the men'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have to get clever'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think, for the UK, limiting all welfare to 2 kids is the way to start (with caveats for multi-births and for adoptees)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is VERY real, TG... you can't... and noone is going to de-fund them even a little bit.  So it's a moot point.  The poor will eventually overrun and consume the entire planet.  Not being sarcastic there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have to apply enforced payments by errant parents, backed up by time in a work-fare prison'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure we can.  We've already dosed everyone with boobs in America with rocket fuel and worse, and it's so pervasive that it shows up in the non-boob alternatives in equal amounts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think it can be dangerous to have a society where there are too big gaps between those that have and those that don't have. You find yourself in a situation where the poor will steal to get out of their hopeless situation. Quick fix can be tempting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between the poor who are in a hopeless situation because of life, and those poor who are in a hopeless situation because of their own stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone who has 5 kids by different women does not fall into the former'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG:  I would say that the majority of poor are the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stupid AND lazy'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's patently barbaric to make someone drink rocket fuel, but nobody realizes that they've been doing so for the last 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it depends on your definition of poor, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Most poor people are in fact neither stupid or lazy. They just weren't born with an economic silver spoon. Imagine you were unlucky enough tobe one of those 5 children, and all you ever observed was mediocrity from your immediate family. The odds are stacked higher against a smart poor kid than an ignorant privledged kid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you mean a "stupid priveleged kid"?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'It seems I made a typo, but that's not a counter point. However, "stupid" is not the word I would use either. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wardrums continue'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrations across the west are hoping that if they push the propaganda hard enough, the public will change their mind'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Its possible Obama is only doing this for political gains in 14'. Sad, a war just so you can win back power to push your stupid laws on Americans who don't want them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hate to say this in any context - but I agree with Putin.  Show us the damn evidence, before you even think to argue we need to go to war.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): November is agreeing with that Taokan person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, would be nice to not have to buy oil from opec nations....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it would be nice if electric cars were cheaper. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, where would you get the electricity to power them? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from natgas most likely, and coal :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would be nice if pixies were real, and cooked up like T-Bones'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars will always be shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i agree with Taokan'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US currently uses around 18 million barrels of oil per day, and produces 7.5 million....in about 5 years we will be producing about 10 million barrels.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if not stopped by the administration, Riz)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Yeah, politics can interfere on that one. Like, no pipeline.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could also convert natgas into 5 million barrels of methanol or gasoline and reduce imports to only 3m per day...1.5 million each from canada and mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thus removing opec from north america.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'We're almost there, only 25% imported from them. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Once again while listening to the conservartives masturbate each other I feel a slight need to add a little glimmer. Oil produced in USA is sold on the World market. It make NO difference at all to our fantacized 'energy independence'.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Most oil in America comes from Canada and Mexico (what we dont pump ourselves)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'so at least quit telling each other THAT lie'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about price, I am talking about supply...if I had my way, oil in the US would sell for $150 per barrel....to benefit Texas and Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if people really do car about the environment we'd be using less fuel oil by now lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well, if your exports exceed your imports and you prohibit import of oil ....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except when companies are exportings jobs away lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'You really do not listen, do you? Oil companies do not WANT anyone to be oil independant, least of all the USA. They would not be able to hold them up for exhobitant prices if they were. Exxon is NOT an American corporation, it is a corporation. Learn something'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy production on federal lands is down 50% in the last 8 years, while increasing on private lands.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'back to leveling'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that is true Whig. Oil companies do have a ridiculous stronghold.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars are the most polluting of all'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas will be doubling oil production in the next 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota will triple production in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if allowed, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how so? when electricity just can be created from water?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'feds have nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot just be created from water'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has already increased production 1 million barrels a day in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you use a lot of electricty, you can create electricty from water!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Whig, I don't know what you're even referring to. I never claimed energy independence as a goal. Just by exporting more oil, the US economy would improve so it isn't as dependent upon the economies and political situations happening in unstable parts of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the green lobby will tax that oil production so heavily it won't be competitive'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Al Gore/Obama gets his way'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the green lobby is about 8% of the voting public. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand, Riz, the public don't get a say'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'all you need to convert downfall water, winds, etc into electricity is something called a turbine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And how do you do that inside a car?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it's called energy conversion'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the green lobby  attach themselves to the corporate interests that run the two dominant parties. If you vote, and you vote for one of the two parties, you'll get the green lobby stapled on'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nonsense Bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. green energy is a tiny minority. 2. It cannot be cleanly and efficiently stored. 3 1+2'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'once the electricity is there, you can now power up your car.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So all we have to do is park our cars beside a river every night, and hook the battery up to a turbine'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yes tiger, storing electricity is possible with something called battery cells.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which are incredibly polluting and not very good'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also have limited lifespan, limited capacity, and cannot be recharged quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'no electrictiy can travel from places to place using a conductor or commonly called wires.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet at a green car is HYDROGEN'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that makes you dependant on a grid'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fuel cells rule.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'run a methanol fuel cell car.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need cars to run on something liquid or gaseous that is pumpable'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hydrogen is farmed using fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the only problem with hydrogen is that it is explosive.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen does not need to be farmed using fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can convert all carbon sources into methanol to fuel a methanol fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is petrol, bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have used methanol instead of gasoline 70 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'petrol is flammable but yes can be explosive too,'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the main reason they don't want to use Hydrogen is because of the capability of generating it at home, and governments and oil companies don't like that, they hate people being self sufficient and put every law conceivable in to prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'interestingly, the largest producer of methanol in north america is in Canada, near the tar sands as its source of carbon, and it exports to the US for people and govt that have methanol vehicles or power generators.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that same company in Canada is building a methanol refinery in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if people can make hydrogen at home in large amounts, then people would be creating bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a guy in NY that produces all the hydrogen he needs vial solar and wind power to power his house, cars and toys via a fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course he has spent about $500k on the system......all grants from power and energy companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'small controllable amounts of hydrogen is fine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you quite understand what a hydrogen bomb is'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'large amount and you end up with the Hindenburg Accident.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydrogen burns upwards...most of those people survived...the ones that died jumped while the damn blimp was still high off the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'a Hydrogen Bomb is different'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hydrogen is pretty combustible... you could make a pretty spiffy boom-boom with out getting into nuclear physics... but fertilizer is cheaper and easier to get.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen bombs require deuterium and tritium, not hydrogen'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the small ones just require regular hydrogen, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they do, you can toss them like molotovs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, air/fuel is even spiffier... DANGED unstable to make at home, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and delivery is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'deuterium and tritium is just hydrogen with different amounts of neutrons. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, bohrium, and not generated in home hydrogen factories'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'did you know my name is an element too? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me... for hydrygen powered stuff... is the hydrogen under pressure?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our neighborhood has its own 100kw nuclear power plant providing power.....it has a 20 year lifetime.......*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually stored as liquified hydrogen, so yes VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '100 kw doesn't soind like alot'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol turned into a scientific debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that one of the ones the fake liberals don't believe exist, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, 100k is enough for the 17 homes. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neighborhoods generally aren't that big, V.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there would be vehicles, on the road, with my child's school bus, that had pressurised hydrogen tanks on them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like they have nat gas and lpg cars now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how about the electricity/power generated from nuclear power plants?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, they're called fuel cells, and they're on the road now already.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'given a choice between and LP and hystrogen explosion, I'd take the LP'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't hybrids just grand?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans, they're a white elephant'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT'S why they cleared everyone away from the little fender bender in town the other day... one of the cars was LP.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they offer no net CO2 saving over their lifetime than a regular petrol car, and cost a considerable amount more in non-renewable resources such as Lithium'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'wait let me get this straight. you get cars that work without gasoline?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like a 7k fuel car for my home...thank you very much...get on it please...plug power promised a residential unit by 2008...never happened.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 7k fuel cell'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I could use hydrogen in my tator gun... that's be pretty sweet'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how much mayhem a beltway sniper could create if instead of shooting people from his trunk he were just shooting cars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yes! but you still need to use oil in the form of lubricants.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is self sufficient in propane.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'improve public mass transit in urban areas, and fuck off and leave everyone in the country alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering propane is a byproduct of natgas processing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let us have stuff that is practical and pragmatic, not force us to buy shit trendy technology that goes wrong, can't be fixed, and doesn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's the next issue with the US, urban vs. rural.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, everyone urban should probably be euthenised'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar is good....everyone should invest in a solar system for their home.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Move everyone to the city where they can take advantage of mass transit... anyone who lives out in the country is just plain selfish.  If everyone would just live in cities, they'de be much easier to cover with fire departments, power, sewage....  police suppervision.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'human houses are far too small for solar systems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'Solar is expensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol tiger! that's a bit extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find most rural people are happy without such things, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't need to buy up so much ammo, then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'simple solution would be to have different sets of laws and regulations for rural vs. urban.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just talked to a local solar installer, and they can install a 5k solar system here in houston for $15k installed....and you get the 30% rebate from the feds, plus 10 cents per watt from the power company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would, bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it shouldn't be their choice to be happy living in the ocuntry.  It's socially irresponsible.  It'd take alot few tax dollars to take care of them in cities.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 25 cents actually, the power company plus the infrastructure company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just plain BS, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... and I am pulling it all from between my left and right butt cheaks.... BUT.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how it is in germany'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even the FARMERS have to live in town in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think it's true then one solution - get rid of the federal government and have those services provided by the state or lower assemblages, then the urbanites won't be subsidising the ruralites'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like we want to live squished in with a bunch of weirdos who think vaccinations are harmful.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Germany is full of Nazi's, so what do you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS possible to live out by yourself, but the $$$ is easily 10-15 TIMES what it is to live in the city'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's also just not true'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you been to the Democrat Party school of bullshit and propaganda?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, $15k total cost of system minus the $1250 power company rebate, minus the $4500 federal rebate, I would get a return of 8.5% on my money the first year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in the best place for it, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it would be paid off in 11 years if the price of electricity stayed the same.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's too many coversations going on here at once.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Urban isn't bad, neither is the more spaceful rural areas. depends on what people like.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pipe down or keep up, VL.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guess I'll take a nap'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you force people to live in urban sprawls, you might as well force them to marry and force them to be gay'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it makes more sense to buy a solar system then keep the $15k in the bank earning 1% interest'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously, coercion, social engineering, and government dictation of your life is bad juju'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'arranged same sex marriages Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we've all had enough of that bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'This is America, Land of the Free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing is free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not been free for some time now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'started falling apart bigtime in 1913, and at an accelerated rate in 1971'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even faster since 2001'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cloud atlas is not that good of a film.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tom hanks should have known better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'It's still much "free-er" than most other countries for now. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he also plays the lead role in Captain Philips.  What can you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we've established that electric cars aren't green, rural and urban have different sets of issues and shouldn't be treated equally, and oil would be great for the economy if they're allowed to make use of it. Next item on the agenda?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Forrest Gump, FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'electric cars are even more polluting in rural areas'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'than compared to urban ones, that is'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increasing US oil and gas production to 15 million barrels a day would add 3-5 million energy related jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'why not just hand everyone aardwolf portals for means of travel then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are great for stop and go travel.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't work in the Earth zone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whole area's flagged as prison.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'surely the golden chaos portals must work IRL.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'teleporting would be the most efficient and most clean means of travel and transportation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm why would teleporting be clean'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would still need to power the teleporters...and that would need more oil and gas!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why efficient might take tons of energy to do so'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and that $15k solar system will provide about 85% of my power needs...woohoo.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm proud of your miiltary guys standing up on twitter and saying no to war in syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're just scared about the chems likely to be used on them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have a military friend that says he would refuse to fight in syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see twitter being used for something vaguely useful for a change rather than just being pit for narcissists to spout bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yet they have no problem with shooting guns with ammo made from depleted uranium :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good on them, they swore an oath on the constitution, not an oath on Obama's political agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there on the hypocrisy, Riz, all that bollocks John Kerry made up about the 1925 banning of chemical weapons. Did he think everyone forgot about Viet Nam and Agent Orange, or Iraq 2003 and DU?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy's a prize fucktard'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep thats what hes saying that it would be treasonous to help someone who is a pledged enemy of the state'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next step after getting Obama off taking action is to get him to stop the military aid already being given to Al-Qaeda in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'did those people even sign Geneva convention'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al-Qaeda? No, they're not bound by it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except that is not true.....he made an oath to obey the president of the united states when he joined up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'send his ass to leavenworth !'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only when it's a lawful order, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if military obey an order they know to be illegal, they are legally liable'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't the trials after WW2 show you that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nuremberg was a witchhunt'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why they wasted time on those instead of just executing them onsite, I dunno.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and Hart's War wasn't that good of a movie.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damnit!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the _orders of the President of the United States_ and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know things ain't right if you have to deal with domestic enemies. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, those were pretty unstable times back then.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't question that, riz, just pointing out the legal limits of that clause'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you -are- fighting domestic enemies - those seeking to subvert the constitution, AKA Obama + his Neocon allies'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was kinda the point of the oath'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That clean coal boondoggle the prairie state coal power plant cost $5 billion to build and only produces 1600 MW of energy......the only cleaning that is being done is to the people who have to buy the power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK are expecting energy shortages and brownouts by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a regular coal power plant that is extremely clean compared to older coal plants would have cost about $2 billion for the 1600 MW'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuckwits in both parties sat on their tush for the last 20 years and ignored the strategic energy requirements'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern non clean coal power plants are close to 80% cleaner compared to the older generation of coal power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter how clean they are, Obama/Gore won't allow them'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing they have no say.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas was going to build 18 new coal power plants, but Texans decided to vote no instead, and then the natgas boom started.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can regulate it and make you pay through the nose for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so now we have 5 new modern natgas power plants instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can also parachute a bunch of libtards into your state to try take it over'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'People create natural gas at home all the time. It's called farting like a constipated donkey.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let em come, in Texas we can shoot to kill in private land...and Texas is almost all private land except for a couple state owned parks, and a federal grassland.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state owned land with a bit of federal grassland, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many shale oil deposits there are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you only own the title, not the land itself, unless you hold an Allodial title. Texas is one of the last places in the US to have Allodial titles, but I don't think it's offered there anymore now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all conventional oil deposits are fed from shale oil deposits deep underground.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well it's true no one quite completely "owns" their land. That's why everyone's gotta pay property tax. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they used to'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and allodial doesn't always mean it's not subject to tax'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Property taxes are one of those things we could do without'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts for President!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to donate my land to the church I just made, and thus qualify for tax exemption of property tax.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you look faintly rightwingish, Riz, i'm afraid it's going to be at least 5 years of assessments as the IRS targets you for your political beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo!  Good thing I have all those bank accts in belize and bermuda!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and under your bed mattress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, then the donkies can steal it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth pets a donkey.
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'elephants and donkeys run this country. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should probably try getting some good people to run it instead'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately they all died in 1800s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except good people that will stay good are hard to find.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'once you go into politics. Favors, corporate lobbies, etc come into play.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'next thing you know, you're eating gourmet food at a fancy restaurant for free. just as long as you take care of certain people and companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nevermind where all that campaign money came from in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'such negativity, considering that rarely happens.....and they do get caught eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol?? happens all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of neocons have been resigning because of mishandling of funds and accepting bribes in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ever wonder why it's hard for a normal average American to elected to a top political position? cause they simply don't have the campaign funds to compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, normal avg people in Texas get elected to congress all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you got lawyers, business owners blowing millions just on campaigns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'tell Riz, sorry to tell ya the truth, but it's sad if Mitt Romney and Geroge Bush is the best that Texas can do. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Bohrium's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mitt is from Texas ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since when ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( he's not )
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'wait sorry about that'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nevermind I screwed up Mitt is from Conneticut.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mitt is from a robot factory'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I meant to say Rick Perry who didn't go very far with the presidential race.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, the US isnt ready for the genius of rick perry yet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'although, also from Texas politics, Ron Paul was a good candidate in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the GOP and corporate complex really hated him though, hence the sabotage'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad his son didnt inherit his intelligence though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Ron Paul could have given Obama a good run.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron paul has a way of appealing to both sides of the coin, not just republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron is a moderate, unlike his son.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can just tell by how much we agree on  Ron Paul already lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Rand as something of a sellout, but there, he's infinitely better than everything else in the GOP with the exception of Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uncle teddy is a canadian :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's half-canadian, which makes him as much an american as obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone can really call birthplace on Cruz after the Obama forged documents debacle'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Trey Gowdy looks like a decent fellow'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arsenio hall 2016 !'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh hush and get behind your local man :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike most americans, you live in a decent state'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the gators are getting bigger again.....a 13.5 foot alligator was killed in mississippi....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the TV audience for gators is getting bigger'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't know gators watched tv'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they eat people who do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they eat people who do.qr'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so - I'm a conservative.  Some might even accuse me for being a NEOCON...  When a conservative leader does something really dumb, or lies, or shames himself or the country, I see it for what it is and call them on it.  Why can't those on the left do the same?  I'm watching Pelosi's lips move, and all I hear are lies, propaganda, half-truths and a big, fat, rotting political agenda....  Why can't her people reign her in?  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Hank Johnson... how does someone so incredibly feable minded make it to Washington? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noone has the answer?  Ya, don't this there IS an answer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BO going to congress.  He is actually showing some leadership.  I'm shocked in a good way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'since everybody knows we have to strike syria, not only will it possibly rekindle bipartisanship, but it gives the time for UN inspectors to say what everyone already knows'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that maybe we won't strike syria.  Not as the USA, anyway.  We may paint some destroyers baby-blue and give them to the UN.. then the UN will strike them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then give the destroyers back'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course we are going to strike syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'congress is 99% likely to approve it, and then we will'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you aren't going to find a significant number of congressmen against a basic, cheap missile strike in retaliation for chemical weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BO knows this.  I don't like the guy, but I love this move.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the president WANTS to strike syria, but he doesn't want the responsibility of making the decision - perhaps sending the decision to congress was the technically correct thing to do, but I do not believe that it will get thru congress easily.  There is already plenty of bi-partisianship being felt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is approximately zero bipartisanship on any issue.  And, I don't think BO gives a fuck about killing syrians.  It's all a calculation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unfortunatly, It's a lose-lose for the conservatives in DC... fight against the strike, and you're part of the problem - approve the strike, and it's your fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's a loser to fight this issue at all.  everyone can get behind cruise missiles... anything more than that is not only stupid from a foreign policy pserpective, it also won't fly w/ US population'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has to be done before russian puts troops on the ground, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'boehner and obama having a good produtive phone conversation is like a way bigger story than how many shitty syrian military assets we disable'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they aren't going to do that!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate if we launch missiles against a country where russians are posted, it all goes to hell....  It'd be a good move on their part... no significant force... just a few "advisors" on an extended tour of their allies country.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've already moved a carrier into the region'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a few russians lounging around sipping tea is perhaps the best missile shield the syrians could ask for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should just drop a big pile of shit in syria and call it a day'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I had my way, I'd pull everything out and let them all fuck each other.  Even if they pursue WMD, that shit is going to israel before it crosses the oceans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'isreal makes a pretty good speed bump... no self respecting arab or persia can resist that target.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we have nothing to gain from the middle east.  they aren't democracies.  we don't buy their oil.  let the islamists kill each other to compete for who gets to fuck virgin angels in nirvana'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND... any move against isreal is a big green light to class over the entire reagion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'israel could take them all down anyway, they dont need our help'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i never understood what we owe israel that we blow billions of aid their way'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we made them - we're like a parent'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea Israel is ally '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'then they are like the 26 year old kid that is long off our health insurance and needs to get the fuck out of the basement'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say "made", I am speaking completely politically and economically... not biblically'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'israel, ally?  what do we gain from them?  seems to me they are more like a strategic parasite'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what ever... their worth it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take away isreal, and we move to the top of the target list'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well lets see aloth of wealth jewish people in the country that would not be so happy if Israel were left out in the wind '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and our first clue that someone has a butt-ton of chemicals is a choking and dying long island.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elchanan, that's nice.  they can take AIPAC and all their lobbying groups and leave.  I can understand why they want the US to support their homeland, but I can't understand why it's in the interest of 99% of the other americans to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they do some good research over there'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its better to have and ally than an enemy'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wtg water wasters, one of the largest aquifers in the world will be depleted in less than 50 years because of widespread unsustainable water wasting by farms and ranches on the high plains of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if farms would switch to drip irrigation, water use could be reduced by about 80%.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if your mom would start a diet, the earth would fly out of the solar system'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Using current trends in water usage as a guide, the researchers estimate that 3 percent of the aquifer's water was used up by 1960, 30 percent of the aquifer's water was drained by 2010, and a whopping 69 percent of the reservoir will likely be tapped by 2060. It would take an average of 500 to 1,300 years to completely refill the High Plains Aquifer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scottish Scientists have created a microscopic sphere and set it awhirl at a blistering 600 million rotations per minute.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'at which axis?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rotation rate is so fast that the angular acceleration at the sphere surface is 1 billion times that of gravity on the Earth surface '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The team manufactured a miniature sphere of calcium with a diameter of 4 micrometers, a strand of hair has a diameter of about 40 micrometers, and then levitated the tiny object in a beam of laser light inside a vacuum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, quantum thruster physics.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 10x the speed of light.....lets go !'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'These electric "q-thrusters" work as a submarine does underwater, except they're in the vacuum of space,'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The spacecraft is theoretically propelled through space by stirring up the cosmic soup, causing quantum-level perturbations. The resulting thrust is similar to that created by a submersible moving through water.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technology produces negative vacuum energy, a key ingredient for an exotic-matter-powered warp-drive engine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A huge plume of iron-rich water has been discovered emanating from hydrothermal vents in the southern Atlantic Ocean, significantly increasing estimated global concentrations of this vital marine nutrient.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an incredible source of spam-like nonsense has been detected on the Aardwolf MUD.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so looks like Obama has been bitten by the George Bush bug and is determined to go to war regardless. he's inviting a vote from congress but has basically said he'll go to war regardless of what they say, irrespective of that, the senate will pass it because democrats have a majority and despite it being against their nature, they'll vote for their own president 'cos he black' and congress will pass it 'cos he black' and because sufficiently large numbers of the GOP there are bought and paid for by the military industrial complex that they too will ignore their constituents and vote for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's basically saying "fuck the public, my backers want war"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least our British lot had the sense to realise that if they went to war against the wishes of the electorate, they'd get shit-kicked at the next election'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before the democrat faithful realise that Obama is screwing them over and will make them unelectable for at least 8 years?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how you get herpes from the bearded lady, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Boner and Cantor are backing this. How can this possibly be defended? Americans should be in the streets over this'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would've been much funnier if it was Boner and Weiner instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the whole situation is absurd, the RUssians can't be relied upon to provide a counterbalance'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess more american soldiers and innocent civilians will just have to die, and the tax payer will foot the bill'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know, that's why the French don't like us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, Americans died?!  When?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Federal court awards 10yr old Ryan Mojabi hundreds of thousands of dollars compensationa nd ruled that the MMR vaccine led to his autism spectrum disorder... and promptly censored part of the ruling'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'US will help out other countries first before their own Americans. Sad but true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on a creepier note, go watch The Butler and see what Robin Williams looks like as a serious actor.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Robin Williams was good in Hook.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'also as the cross-dressing Miss Doubtfire.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither of which were actually serious roles.  They had the typical Robin Williams comedy flair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'What Dreams May Become as well Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'man and his family were kicked out of Universal Studios theme park while celebrating his daughter's Sweet 16 (even threatened with arrest) because he was wearing a T-shirt with the word "Police" on it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yE_efOGFlhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yE_efOGFlho'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this kinda of shit keeps going on someone is going to start shooting back'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well unfortunately people won't take you seriously until you take them to court. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what they'd do if i went in with my "Obama is a Cunt" Tshirt, hans'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a building in london that is a secret solar powered death ray.....it has already melted parts of two vehicles and it isnt even finished being built.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London is a foreign country, we don't go there anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-the-white-house-help-plan-the-syrian-chemical-attack/5347542'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is now going around claiming that the Syrian rebels are "moderates"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If moderates go around beheading innocent christians, i'd hate to see a fundamentalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If moderates go around dropping Sarin gas, accidental or not, i'd hate to see a fundamentalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's pretty funny how mccain said that the us is going to "arm the right people" and then get on a group photo with known terrorists :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain should have stuck to oven chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you probably love his home state tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried potato chips are better...use a dutch oven.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain, Kerry, Boner, Cantor, Graham, all MIC stooges that need to be disposed of'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hehe, dutch oven :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe there's an advanced attempt to have McCain recalled by his constituents'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I made 3 bags of potato chips by deep frying about 50 cents worth of potatoes.....much cheaper compared to those 10 oz bags of lays chips for $2.99'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know a bag of potato chips use to be under $1 like 10 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also used the oil to cook up some donuts, and some fish....had a good deep frying day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made some krispy kreme donuts, and froze em after we chowed down on a couple dozen hot donuts with powdered sugar and glaze.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'deep fry oil isn't healthy but hey have a blast. It's your stomach. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep frying is fine, people have been doing it for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just dont recommend you eat more calories than you need per day....that is what is unhealthy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i made brownies with bacon today'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir beams with pride.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Seltsimees Dagnir!!!  Ilthik cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon fat rules.....I like to pressure cook bacon in lard to give the lard a nice bacon flavor.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can also use that deep fry oil to drive a grease powered car after you're done.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or you can filter it and reuse it many times.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'It's it's BACON!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just hang your ass out the window and ride like the Jetsons'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to butcher 12 rabbits tomorrow....yum...fried rabbit meat, mashed potatoes and gravy, steamed carrots, and fresh baked bread with butter and honey.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Bacon and Sausage, the most addictive pork products you'll ever eat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better hurry if you only want to butcher 12...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why hurry?  It takes me like 2min to butcher a rabbit.....they were designed quite well for butchering.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and for other things, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'cooking a rabbit with carrots, interesting...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I raise rabbits also....have 2 bucks, and 6 does....the 12 are part of 3 litters that are 10 weeks old or older.  About 7 lbs each'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol i can see Rizgoth look a rabbit in the eye and then chop his head off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'awwww how cute...rabbit Fatality!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hang them upside down from the feet, and whack them on the back of the head...the blood comes out of the nose for a minute, but the rabbit is dead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes the nerves keep kicking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs are pain to butcher....I just let a butcher do that for me....cattle also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but goats are pretty easy to butcher.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the easiest to butcher?  Gnats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'The only butchering I know is from the movie Gangs of New York'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 7 lb rabbit will easily have about 4 lbs of meat though on the bone.....really good meat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna go squirrel hunting on my dads ranch next weekend though....hope to get about 20 of them.....the hindlegs are the best part of the tree rat....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wish we had water rats here in Texas.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'are they delicious?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, had some fried up when I was in lousiana'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with cornbread and rice and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can deep fry just about anything. Vegetables, meat, tires, George Bush's failures, etc....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also good roasted.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kentucky fried water rat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, peanut butter cookies or butterscotch chip.......or banana bread with cream cheese frosting ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'last one'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I still have 28 loaves of banana bread in the freezer :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'butterscotch chip isn't a bad choice either.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'peanut butter cookies eh nothing special in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with peanut butter chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you should talk to the produce manager and see what they do with the overripe bananas....sometimes you can get bags of them for free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is how I ended up with 32 loaves of banana bread in the freezer :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fry the overripe bananas :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'fried bananas are good'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I believe they're called plantains'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fried plátanos :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i'd eat that all day. Another addictive food item.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not only that but it doesn't matter where in the maturing cycle the fruit is, you can cook it and get different result, all good :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'overripe bananas are not exactly deep fry material.....they are almost brown liquid in the peel :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they make great pudding, bread or ice cream.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'green fried plátanos are the bomb :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are very crispy'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dehydrated bananas are good also.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some say that the banana is the near-perfect fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'sad that it's been extinct for many years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not the plantain. The plantain still has seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato is the perfect fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they could possibly change the plantain's gnome to produce bananas in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I disagree in re the tomato :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current bananas are just clones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato is perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you get more vitamins from the banana, notably the eponymous bananin :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'everyone knows the bananas these days are just all clones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a tasty fruit where you get 100 or more seeds that can grow into more plants and more tomatoes with 100 or more seeds......that is compound interest in its purest form.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'absolutely rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I like baby food'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing wrong with clones and the banana tree has perfected the cloning process.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i agree nothing wrong with bananas'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except when they're in pajamas and falling down the stairs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can blame United Fruit for the fate of the banana.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato will most likely never go away......there are hundreds of varieties'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gmo tomatoes are red cardboard though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am betting the banana will survive the current crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we shall see soon enough....the current banana that is sold in the stores is going extinct...the disease that killed the previous banana has moved to the new one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love those lemon drop tomatoes.....they look just like the lemon drop candy....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever have a black tomato ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '275 million years ago, methane destroyed almost all life on earth.....now we plan on using methane hydrates to create lots and lots of electricity....there is over 10,000 years of methane hydrates off the continental shelves of the continents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'true under like thousands of feet of ocean water pressure'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it's also the secret to the Bermuda Triangle folks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'even to this day. Methane can be easily created just from simply farting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'japan is going all in on extracting methane hydrates from the ocean.....they need an alternative supply of energy that is close by.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or they can figure out a way to collect energy from all those people riding bicycles there. :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the chemical formula of this alleged methane hydrate'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 emissions in japan have gone up almost 40% in japan since the 2011 earthquake.....they shutdown all the nuclear reactors and use propane and natgas imported from europe and the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need to turn the nuclear plants back on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nuclear power plants are high risk high reward'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'methane hydrate is simply CH4 bonded to H20 molecules I think'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they need to eventually build new safe reactors using 5th generation pebble bed designs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'flinstones style'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Japanese nuclear reactors going kaput were likely caused by the same "incompetence" that caused their cars to go kaput'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Futurama and other cartoon-science is not valid-science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'makes me wanna create a car named Kaputz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoon-science may unfortunately fool children, but adults ... tsk  (unless those kids became adults without an adequate science education)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's totally possible'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power is the future.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the future is now!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should build 2 pebble bed nuclear reactors in every lower 48 state, and link the regional power grids together.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'radiation poisoning seems a past of the nuclear scenarios'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know there's something one step further '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Nuclear fusion will put Nuclear fission to bed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'link the power grids together, and then when solar energy in arizona is kicking the kwh butt, it can be used in places like nevada or idaho, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nuclear fission is what the modern day nuclear plants do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear fusion is at least 30 years in the future....minimum, cause we dont have the willpower to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nor the technology'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but it's like holding the power of the sun in your hands!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'cause that's exactly what the sun does.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nuclear fusion yet produces radioactive waste'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'like i said, high risk high reward'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uranium is cheap compared to other fuels.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aussies are flooding the market with cheap uranium.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'widespeead radioactive poisoning death mutation and disease is not a "high reward"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I hope our scientific debate will stir up the minds of the children in Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go chew on a chunk of coal....coal produces more radioactive particles than nuclear power plants have.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the muslims buying that cheap uranium'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, Zade. Everyone knows that muslins are de facto terrorists :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet, coal plants do not produce as much radioactivity as that japanese nuclear disaster'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then maybe set up a nuclear fusion plant on the moon and conduct all that power back to earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if anything goes wrong, we just lose our only moon. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, why waste the time figuring out how to harness the few Gwatt-hours the sun pours on us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the moon was gone....it would get really hard to live on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'eh hide tide 24/7 :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about no-tide'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'no tide yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when those nuclear fusion plants on the moon are weaponised to fire that energy as a concentrated ray '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power rules...especially now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we have defense mechanism against alien invaders.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aliens as in not from the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'they'd be coming to Earth thinking we're still stuck on gunpowder and bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until a surface-hugging projectile destroys those nuclear-plants on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the aliens would just invade the moon, take the weapon and use it to cook all life on earth for consumption of bbq.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ooh hooo! we have harnessed the power of a star into a weapon on the moon. Vanquishing alien invaders.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well obviously, we'd set up some type of control mechanism for that so aliens can't just show up and use it lol.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peaceful energy-transmission from the moon to the earth is unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you do realize if an alien race is advaced enough to readh Earth, they will be advanced enough to wipe life off the planet... and probably will.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reach*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yea but you can't deflect star's energy power. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, all you need to do is tractor beam a large asteroid from the kuiper belt and send it into earth........bye bye humans, new planet for aliens to populate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how I would do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we just blast that asteroid in the pieces first and launch the beam from the original trajectory location.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i mean to not from'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you actually think an alien race is going to land on Earth and say "take me to your leader"? The first we will know about aliens is when the planet is under attack.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tractor-beams are sci-fi fiction '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they hit the planet on the side of the planet not facing the moon :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the Aliens would be like oh shit! Do not mess with Earthlings, finding next living planet....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the aliens would correctly reason that if the roles were reversed they would be attacked, so they would  do a preemptive strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just ask cannibals, humans are tasty bbqed......of course aliens will bbq us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all we are is a source of protein...nothing more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are 7 billion protein sources on earth. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except humans are incapable of space travel for the moment so aliens don't have to worry about us attacking them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the probable action for a race (any race including humans) after finding another intelligent species to destroy it before it destroys them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'in fact any significant "space travel" is significantly impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, at one point making fire was thought impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only impossible to our limited knowledge of space technology'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Humans would be much further along if not for the religious furvor crap of the dark ages.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'You can't travel faster than the speed of light and that only applies to subatomic particles lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the church controlling things set us back at least 500 years.....never allow the church to run things.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's just simple proven and derived laws of phyiscs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need to go faster than the speed of light when you can perhaps cause space to move faster around you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's going into science fiction. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's hot strictly true, you cannot travel faster than light in an inertial reference system. There are galaxies that are traveling faster than light away from us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can't know for certain what you cannot see. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASA is doing research on warp technology to warp space around a craft.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of the theories are pretty interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bohrium seems to hint that non-subatomic-particles may travel ftl'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ftl?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if they never travel less than the speed of light, possibly'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's the approaching the speed of light (from either side) that's the main issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tachions are fiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, that and the likelihood that it would require negative mass'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the general theory of relativity allows for particle to come into existence traveling faster than light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how fast is space moving if we were not moving with space ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'negative mass is (likely) a fiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'interesting question, there seems to be evidence that the universe is rotating :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I think they stated that issue though with the speed of light i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I don't mind telling you, that universe would have a hell  of an angular momentum :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'even if you're moving on something that's travelling at the speed of light, you're still not faster than the speed of light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'let me try to find this...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that at the speed of light, mass goes infinite, according to GTR.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I would think that the universe is moving quite fast....and if we can figure out how to 'anchor' ourself outside of the spacial universe....perhaps we could go faster than the speed of light....without actually moving.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the tip of a whip moves faster than light when snapped :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the expanding-universe model permits things to travel ftl relative to each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You sure you're not thinking faster than sound?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, you are  right Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'If you wikipedia speed of light, you'll find some information....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nods, sound is only about 750 mph or so.  guy broke that in freefall a couple of months ago ;)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'when he jumped out of outer space, pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes the squirrels in my backyard run so fast they create a sonic boom.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, there was in incident during the first tests of space flight in the late 40s or early 60s where a pilot baled going faster than sound.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'early 50s*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'bullets travel faster than the speed of light'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei peers intently at Bohrium.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'they would disitegrate if they did'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's why by the time people hear the shot, they've already been shot.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i mean sound'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that's faster than the speed of sound, not light'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'depends on the bullet, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'bullets travel than the speed of sound.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people who are shot won't hear the shot, they will be in shock by then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'a lot of them don't'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but light is faster than sound obviously and that's why you see lightning before the thunder... thunder.... thundercats!!! Hoooo!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when trolls get a science education from sci-fi shows and especially cartoons, they debate as though they are illiterate in science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you da man, Zade. We know that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'futurama ftw'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris slaps Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'that guy makes since fun!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'ughh science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'so here's a tough one...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '42'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Billy Nye the science guy vs. Beakman from Beakman's world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'that sparkly guy from twilight'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reply you asked about the zigzag message :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a chinese guy created a business selling rubberband kits to kids......weaving kits.....and is making millions from his kit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we missed out on something while playing Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese american guy...an engineer who worked for nissan in detroit created the product with his daughter....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has sold over 1 million of the $18 kits so far....it comes with a plastic loom and some rubberbands...you can buy more colored rubberbands and other trinkets to add to the bracelets for an additional kit'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'While poor Detroit is in bankruptcy. sad..'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poeple like to buy colorful tinkets :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trinkets*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is becoming the next hot toy for young kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Classic. The nerf ball is the epitome of the dream of inventor success in the capitalist marketplace. 1 cent investment 1 dollar toy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you can make something shiny enough someone will buy it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is how you create a new business.....small businesses are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hate huge companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but you prob give them lots of money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy couldnt get anyone to buy his kit at first....managers of toy stores would kick him out....until 1 store changed its mind and carried his kit....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rest is as they say...history.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US was going to go DC until  Edison failed to electrocute the dog, the rest, as they say, is history :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'DC was never a serious option for transcontinental power transmission'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Edison was set on having the US go DC, he invested a lot of money on DC transmission. He lost to Tesla on this one, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'DC, AC, whatever gets the motor going....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's cause Edison used Tesla at low wage'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'big difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, Edison stole all of Tesla's idea but decided that Tesla was wrong on AC.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'can't believe a video game covered that too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, finding that I enjoy rice more and more.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, "stole" was too strong a word.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Tesla didn't care that Edison implemented his ideas, I just think  Edison should have been man enough to give him credit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rice cooked in seasoned salt water, with veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what does ac and dc stand for? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no idea of the difference either'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'alternating and direct current.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alternating current and direct current'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'YOU, shook me ALLL night LONG!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ac goes back and forth, dc just goes one way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AC is also extremely dangerous unlike DC'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Edison was the ultimate promoter of his time - Do you think Steve Jobs personnally came up with all the inovation that goes into an apple product?  Nope - But he gets credit for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apple has extremely talented engineers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like all tech companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'd like to learn about electricity,  i hate gettin shocked which happens occasionally on the job, cuz electricians always leaving shit on'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'edison was smart enough to know that what his 'employees' devised, and he patended, it was as good as if he invented it, and that's how history would remember it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, Edison WAS a visionary... by he was also a shameless self-promoter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats prob why we've heard of him'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'james patterson is the edison of the book writing industry.....he hires writers to write the books for him and he slaps his name in huge letters on the cover :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by any measure of success, he was a historical winner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'patterson... and a host of others as well... Tom Clancy, Robert Jordan, Larry Niven, Timothy Zahn... they have ALL "co-wrote" a number of volumes'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'sort like the organic milk factory that sell milk from people that are good with milking cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'patterson 'publishes' over 50 books a year with his cowriters. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... Jordan was so busy putting his name on "co-authored" rent paying checks, that he forgot to finish his opus before he croaked'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'successful writers do it all the time. They create an environment and other writers come in and develop part of it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now GRRM is going to do the same thing... he's so busy doing TV that he will not finish his work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Herbert and Dune are a good example.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's stated on his blog that "writing isn't fun any more"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, life is a beach.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I take that to mean "I'm not going to finish your story - suckers"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fortunately for me, I quit reading him years ago :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the FIB agent chick got killed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait for the "movie?"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'FBI*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fib - FBI.. all the same'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't like gratuitous deaths.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see some WEB griffin books become a tv series....like the corps....love his books.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'same reason I quit reading Sanford.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only ever read the 'war' series'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'his blood is too red white and blue for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LT - CPT - MAJ - COL - Gen - Aviators'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'writers don't seem to be able to write books without injecting personal politics into the books. They should try having their characters develop their own leaings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brotherhood of war series is my fav.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jeez.... Rollins and Cusler are the WORST for political and personal bias!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'almost all of Rollin's books have the military pop up somewhere in the story... and they are always bumbling idiots who have to be told by the pot-smoking, tree hugging heroes of the story.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought Tom Clancy's The Cardinal  of the Kremlin was an excellent book. So I started reading the others, after a while I couldn't stand the Ryan character. He was so squeaky clean and working for the CIA. Who was Clancy kidding?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's wasn't that ryan was so squeeky clean... he just had a proper sense of when it was "OK" to get dirty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, but the fact is that there is no such animal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't get "dirty" for personal success or fortune.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT, my friend... is what makes it fiction =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when I think of CIA, I think of that tv show burn notice.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'x-wing fighters?  honestly =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point, everyone who has access to the cookie jar is going to stick his hand in, even if just a little.  But this guy wouldn't even pad his expense account for a bottle of soda.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was a bit of a priss... wasn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed, cound't stand it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, against all odds... he prevailed and became president!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a real american dream!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am so thankful I never had to read that :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 serving of rice sure does go a long way.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I appreciate the prophetic nature of clancy's early writing... he included a jet liner crashing into congress just a few years before it almost happened for real'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That did not happen?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the plane that was head for the capital (flt 92) never made it... it crashed into a pennsylvania field'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe it was a self-fulfilling  prophecy. Whomever made the attempt might have read his book.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only the pentegon and WTC planes made it to their targets'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't THAT much befor it happened... any planning required to pull that off would have had to been started much much earlier that the book was published'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the timing was actually almost 'conspiritorially' close.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not a real word, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'crashed, mabye. If witnesses on the ground are to be blieved (and the debris scatter seems to confirm) flight 92 was taken out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I saw the movie... it crashed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so THERE!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Instead the congressmen were replaced by lunatics'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did the move explained how the crashed (and disappearing) plane left its engines so far away from the crash site?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'movie*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... one of the passengers had a teleporter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that explains it :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I am perfectly content to let history record it as it has been recorded... the world becomes a very shitty place if you dump all the shit on the street'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that detail, be it fact or fiction, would have absolutly ZERO impact on the amount of food in my pantry today.,'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no fear of that, the US is just a giant Disneyland. No fear that people will wake up and notice anything :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in the price of a gallon of gas, for that matter... it's just make people less or more content or sad or happy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So let's ask them about going to war, shall we?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who... the passengers of FLT 92?  I'm pretty sure they'd have voted for war if they'd lived'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the anchors are saying that congress won't refuse Obama. So the point is why is he asking? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... that's a good debate.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the public is against it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'polls are bad so he is diverting'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the public is, but since  congress will approve the war the people can't be. This is a representative government :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Personnaly, and given my feelings for the president... I say he's being a limp wristed, mamby-pamby fense walker who was elected to make decisions, but won't....  techinically, (not personnaly) going to congress is the correct action.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'will and did are two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'next round of elections is next year, trust me. representatives are paying very close attention to polls right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the Bush Sr. when to congress for Iraq (round 1) he had that girl (who allegedly had been raped by Iraqi troops) talk to congress. They returned an almost unanimous bill of war. Turns out that the girl was the daughter of the ambassador to the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and was still a virgin :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i really do not see the relevance in that.  today is today, last year is last year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now, I wonder what will Obama produce to entertain congress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's the same dog and pony show'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'In 1801 US President Jefferson told the US Congress in the matter of requesting war on the pirates of the Barbary Coast "I communicate [to you] all material information on this subject, that in the exercise of this important function confided by the Constitution to the Legislature exclusively their judgment may form itself on a knowledge and consideration of every circumstance of weight." Note the use of the term "exclusively", please.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yes congress decides, but i don't see them rubber stamping it like you suggest. i believe it will be far more difficult, and the longer it takes, the less likely it happens.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'US congress will rubber stamp syria.  that's an easy one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I think that attacking Syria has always been the plan, just like Iraq and just like Lybia. The only crime that these countries have commited that we are actually concerned with is the crime of not trading oil for U.S. currency.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'cool story, do you realize the US doesn't even buy oil from the middle east?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's an inconvenient fact for your uninformed liberal conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The chemical attack was a false flag. We always need a 'reason'. The U.S. is nothing more than a U.N/NATO attack dog. All countries that do not have a global rothschild bank need to be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'it is and always has been the money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'We used Al Queda to topple over these countries. Our supposed enemy that we give up our freedom at home for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'woops, the money angle is not based on any fact or ratioanle or economics at all, time to change the story'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'liberal, Republican, Democrat it all comes down to divide and conquer'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what?  trading 1 million dollar cruise missiles for 50k artillery pieces is not about the money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'What is your point Kojiro? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my point is the US doesn't intervene in the middle east out of any monetary or economic concern.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that sounds like a cool conspiracy story, but it's not based on any fact, and it seems to be a common miseducation among the emotional liberal set (EMOs)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one does anything w/o that exact concern'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'investors reap the benefits of the making of that million dollar missile and most politicians invest in war machine companies. that can be researched and proven fact'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'You're right, the U.S. intervines on behalf of a global New World Order agenda...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thraykun is agreeing with that Snaebjorn person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Oh lordy, is it the Greys controlling everything?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think the US should be doing anything in the Middle East, but I understand why we are, and it has nothing to do with money.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you dont know shit, nor anyone else on our level, '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in fact, the hundreds of billions wasted itnervening over there is a hopelessly bad "investment".  Nothing could ever make it worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Right....it just so happens that the only countries we invade or destablize for the greater good are those that don't have global banks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'reptilians Arnica :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or it just so happens that global banks like to be where they can do business, and they can do business in places that have a rule of law, and places with a rule of law don't need superpower intervention'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that might be too much for you.  take it slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'oh. Right, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snaebjorn smirks at Arnica's saying.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'money is not being wasted in the Middle East. It's getting laundered. Taxpayer's money goes in, gets washed and goes back out into corporate accounts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only billions wasted are yours and my tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what I said.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'kids need to get out of the basement and learn how the world works.  it's like you guys are living in a fantasy world populated by conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yup, the tax dollars are wasted.  you ARE right about that!  Hence why we shouldn't be there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I hate this. The billions are going through criminals not through lawful, organized profit making organizations. And the worse the war gets, the worse that situation will be. Kojiro makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not living in a fantasy world. I understand what you are saying. Taxpayer's getting ripped off is the way of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are we getting any kind of return on national security for these hundreds of billions?  In iraq / afghanistan the answer is fuck no.  But a few mil to missile syria to back our words and punish chemical weapons, that's deifnitely worth it.  And that's why congress will approve it.  Easy one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Prove to me Assad used the chemical weapons. You know the rebels were the first to speak up and take credit for it right?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'You know that the U.S. provided chemical weapons to Isreal which were used against Palastine right? As well as the depleted uranium we used in Iraq. Should we get bombed?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'prove to me the US provided chemical weapons to israel'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I dislike Israel more than most, but that sounds pretty far fetched'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'And, the CIA gave the intel they have the info rating right below certainty.  Good enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Bombing is so 20th century. There is absolutely no reason why today's leaders cant meet face to face. Saddam eventualy did.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but hey, maybe the rebels decided to gas 1400 of their own women/children in strategically very valuable territory to them.  I just think that's a < 5% probability.  Confidence interval high enough to warrant a strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ER is such a good show...it should have gone to 20 seasons !'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I got tired of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got tired of House, got tired of SUV.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'And I'm sure Assad would attack in the same manner knowing it would provoke global action in his country...false flag buddy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'err, SVU :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Al Queada works for the CIA.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how can you get tired of SUVs ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'SVU, I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you meant suv....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn greenies :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Thraykum, we know all that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I half suspect that Kojiro is pretending not to know that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that people who have gas should be quarantined.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to build a steam turbine using wood'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'that was almost on topic Anaristos:P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What are the odds it will explode ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, let me rephrase that....I want to build a steam engine that burns wood to produce the steam, to run a turbine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'If you contact people who know how to build them, and get some help, it shouldn't explode. Most steam engines nowadays use relatively low pressure, as they don't have to produce much power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was hoping to use it to recharge 12 volt batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'It's possible, but you might want to get some practice with small engines first. Chances are you could find a somewhat local group to help you out, and they might get excited about your idea as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you build a turbine the size of a hangar to produce enough electricity to charge a D battery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that D battery weighs about 140 lbs though, and is rated at 135 amps or so'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 8 of them for $100 :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'According to the website I just found, you can charge a 48volt bank from a steam engine only about the size of a human. Or two. http://otherpower.com/steamengine.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'planning on recharging the batteries with my solar panels, but building a steam engine would be a cool project to try.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, thank god twinkies are back!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now I can make my double deep fried chocolate covered with nuts and caramel sauce twinkies'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and they are allowed in the military now, as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the MREs ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... in uniform.  OHHHH!  You ment the 'snack cake' twinkies... not the OTHER kind'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you _would_ know about the twinkies in uniform......:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true storry:  I was sitting on a log next to a guy of a field excercise somewhere around 1999... he opens up hist MRE to find [at they time fairly common] bag of M&Ms... he opens them up, and of course, they are mostly powedered - BUT... he has a WINNING wrapper for $10,000!!!!!!....  trouble is, the contest was for the sponsorship of the 1988 Seoul Olympics, and the contest had expired 7 years prior'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'M&M Mars did not pay out, but they did send him a pallet of candy bars and such worth around $500.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that sucks'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I won a 28 foot bayliner boat once....but by the time the letter informing me of the win arrived to where I was, the deadline had passed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus I was 14 at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... for the conspiracy people (note:  I did not say 'conspiracy nuts') out there... if you were in charge of managing a multi-million dollar promotional contest... wouldn't YOU make sure that the winning wrappers got sent to be put in MREs... you KNOW that they won't get openend for at least 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the people making the MREs just grabbed regular packages of the candy from a supplier.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were SEVERAL stories about winning candy wrappers for expired contests over the years.... truth is, those candies likely ended up being sent to the government BECAUSE they had passed their shelf life, or they had out of date designs (like contest wrappers)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if that new MRE bread will last forever......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military spent over $50 million developing that new bread. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure last along time... a shame really... here's a piece of mircle shelf stable food that sits pattiently in a brown/tan wrapper for YEARS only to be tossed in the trash when it finally gets opening.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to stop being so damn picky...and just be thankful you have a damn MRE to eat...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, if not for the VERY strong bitter baking powder after taste taste, it'd be pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'Hot sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it dod debute alongside blackberry jam packs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which are pretty dang good'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chili mac mre was kinda bland to me....had to add hot sauce to it....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'best thing EVER in an MRE, though, were the dehydrated strawberry and peach packs (dehydtrated fruit cocktail - not so much)... they were only in MREs for the first two years, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they went away the same time that the Wayne chocolate and vanilla bars went away... the wayne industries candy bars where the only part of the old C-rations to make the cross-over to MREs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still have some boxed mres with cigarette packs in them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'affectionatly refered to as "john wayne" bars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 cigarettes per pack'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were never cigarettes in MREs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'C-Rats, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these are vietnam era food packs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so prob c rats'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'C-Rats, then'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MREs came in around 1984-85'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the stuff is in cans'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is your least fav mre ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though we were still eating C-Rats as late as 1986... they had quit making them in anticipation of MREs, so by the time MREs arrived, the C-Rats that remained were at the very tail end of their shelf life.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are so many different meals now, it's hard to nail one down... of the original 12-menu list, though... ham and turkey loaf'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'followed by chicken ala king'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'favorite was beanies and weinies, and hambergure patty'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pork patty wasn't bad, either.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heeh, tried the cajun rice one...didnt like it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'churches chicken made better cajun rice then that mre.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they change out the menus so much now that you could go weeks without a repeat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I loved the beef stroganoff one though...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Full of MSG'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND there are all the mamby-pamby meals as well - vegetarian, vegan (yes they are different) islamic/jew (same menues, ironically, and all kosher). low calorie menus, high protien... on and on '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the begining, an MRE had only one goal... to contain a minimum of 2,500 cal... now, I think they are around 700-800.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Of course MSG nightmares are not a problem for the miltary'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'worked on a military base back in my college days, and ate at the base food location.....I enjoyed the food quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I loved the lubys style of food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was designed to be eaten twice a day under heavy combat conditions... but ended up being eaten three times a day whilst loafing around out in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'made people fat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 5 colors of jello was cool.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the pies were surprisingly good....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is all base food pretty much the same ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've never had too many complaints about army food... I was in mostly during a time where if the food was not up to snuff for a few days... they mess sergeant got his ass jacked quick!... now it's all don't-give-a-shit contract food'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mean, like if you go to mcdonalds anywhere in the world it is the same......is it like that with military food on the bases ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, back in the early 90s, I loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as there are subtle differences between McDonalds around the world, there are also subtle difference with army food... but it's about the same difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the menues are all the same... used to be, anyway.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Elmendorf air force base seems like it would be in a bad location......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noodles with hamberger and tom sauce with cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only way to get to the base from Anchorage is across that damn bridge....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'richardson, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you forget... they have planes and helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bed time'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true, during the zombie invasion....blow the bridge...and protect the bases :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'night :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the average salaries for plastic surgeons ranges from $360,000 to $450,000 per year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small number of U.S. prisons are dealing with riots after inmates complained about the influx of foods sent to them from military dining facilities. Inmates have said that the food constitutes cruel and unusual punishment on their digestive tracts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rofl awsome'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man....the army is testing a new food plan that bans soda, and desserts at 5 of its bases in the US.....no more cakes, cookies, pies, jello, soda, short order cooks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would hate to be at one of those bases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jello is a freaking staple at military bases in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every year, 1,200 overweight enlistees are given the boot before the first term of their contracts have even expired.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north carolina to abolish income tax, north caroline to declare independance from california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typing with my mouth open'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are they planning to secede to Oregon?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than that, 73% of liberals oppose syrian intervention, drudge readers voted 92% against, and general polls are running between 66 and 92%'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'independant, i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say i blame them'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'south california is a sack of fake liberal tardcake'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'now how far south are they calling North California'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'hey! it's not that bad just full of hipsters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ah, well, they can't.  Only the state of Texas has the legal right to secede from the Union, and you can't become a state without a special vote in Congress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are NOT hipsters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'eh thats what they call themselves'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'go to silverlake you'd be nodding in agreement'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a mixture of extremely fucking stupid people, nanny-state 'moms', interfering old battleaxes, and retarded celebrities'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want to sucede from the union, only split from california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with north colorado'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right, but you can't just separate and become your own state.  You have to get Congress to let you in.  Colorado, perhaps, might have enough votes to rally, but I doubt libs will let part of their biggest bloc switch sides.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'oh its Sisikyou county, I wouldn't mind them leaving'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are all the rabid anti-war democrats that were foaming at the mouth in 2003 when GWB went to war in Iraq?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'they kinda forgot about Afghanistan due to us "leaving" Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're going to war, Tiger.  Sentiments in Congress are never about principles, only capital.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know something is suss when the people most vocal about not going to war are Pat Buchanon and Rush Limbaugh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'makes me almost want to listen to Limbaugh that sounds rather amusing'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know it is completely fucking suss when John Kerry announces that the Arabs have offered to fund America toppling assad'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know your president is in trouble when he comes out with bullshit like "We would be letting the world down if we don't attack"'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really want your senate and congress to oppose this, but i'm not holding out much hope'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Wing Commander Wallace died :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tink this who syria issue has give Obama a bit of a reality check'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't keep him from meetnig with GLBT leaders in Russia, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully it'll give him a bloody nose and send him on his way, and hopefully it'll get the libertarians in the GOP and the Democrat party to kick their respective parties in the balls'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, why is Obama meeting with Gay, Lesbian, Bi, and Trannie leaders in Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing is going to "send obama one his way" except the calender.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he went to meet with putan, but was not recieved... so he found someone else to meet with'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait... not finding any validatoin for that...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heard it on RL, and didn't verify befor parroting'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear that'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the kinda of commie thing he'd do'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OK... hasn't happened yet, but is on the schedle for later this week while he is at the G20 in Russia'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/04/white-house-confirms-obama-lgbt-meeting-g-20/2763099/'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am betting the washignton deadlocks on approval for bombing syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they will, enough of them have been bought off'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS only a simple majority required, but the Army has been piping up a bit saying "we don't want/can't fight another war - we're really tired."  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more the point, it's not their job'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the question MIGHT become - do we day poke the bee hive if we don't have a way to escape (as in an effective army to back up the action)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'day = dare'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother? what's it supposed to achieve?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you launch missiles, you at least have to be prepared to back it up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it's the swiss and swede's turn to give the spankings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not the fighting that we have to worry about, thanks to Iraq.  Syria's been fighting already, but if the US were to drop in they'd probably just melt away to let the US win a fake war, saving themselves for the nation-building that comes after.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always plenty of profit to be found around nation building'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the porta-potty contract alone is worth a couple billion dollars'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nation destroying is faster :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. but you have to kill everyone while you're at it, or you end up having to buy them a whole new nation'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is a chance that congress will not approve the strike, and it will be the first step back into a period of isolationalism for the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mrs Hullingsworth is a democrat politician in Colorado that believes you don't need guns because the legislature will keep you safe, if you live in Colorado and want to go and laugh in her face, please do so'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love adding chili powder to my soups.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, boiled bar s chicken/pork/beef hotdogs with a plain white bun, hamburger chili, raw onions, relish, and nacho cheese sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a bacon egg and cheese hotdog.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'swiss or american cheese?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked cheddar'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only thing you're missing for a mountain man on the go is the hashbrowns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'eating a hashbrown is like eating an unsalted french fry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn beef hash hotdog with ketchup.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'corn beef is good'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'so is pastrami'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and then have some melted monzzarella over the corn beed or pastrami...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only problem with the corned beef is the sauerkraut.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only thing good about corned beef is the sauerkraut'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how about flavoring the meat with some thin steak sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on the meat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a $6 hotdog...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: '$6 for one hotdog? you must have a ton of extra on top'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a $600 hotdog, I think.  Might be even over a thousand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even have a hotdog that's 3 feet long.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol at the price, I would rather just buy the dogs and the buns from the supermarket and make several of them myself.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ohh super long hot dogs'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that makes more sense'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'still like those plump juicy ball park franks'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fancy one has all kinds of rich-people food toppings on top, like caviar, some sort of superfancy dijon mustard (even more fancy than grey poupon!), truffles, and high-end chocolate shavings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hot dogs are great, but I think I love cheeseburgers more....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I even love the burger king whopper jr with cheese....good burger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretzel buns are great for burgers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and hotdogs, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in and out makes a damn good cheeseburger also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kaltas is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and bad fries'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kaltas: 'They aren't bad if you ask them to cook them longer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i like burgers with melted cheese on top and a fried egg on the bottom of the beef patty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Lowlands has gross fries. Who the fuck puts a glob of mayo on top of their fries?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanted egg foo young, could've just gone to a chinese place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eating fries with mayo was really popular in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'What happened?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'healthy-eating took over'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was terrible, almost got our BLTs...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh man, I used to love those mc blts.....hot on one side, and cool on the other.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where from do the maggots and parasites often found in burgers, hot dogs, and sausages come -- the fastfood employees and or the food manufacturers and or the ingredient suppliers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'mayo works nice on ham or turkey or any other meat. However, I think the key is to just use a small amount and then spread it nice and thin.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you hear they're bringing back the chicken wings?  May want to stock up on wings before the price goes up even more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'golden griddle makes the best crispy chicken sandwich bar none though....not sure if golden griddle survived the 80s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I never got to have one of those Rizgoth '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'several places tend to overdo it with the mayo and that's all you taste when eating a hero lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think Hemsworth would enjoy me eating him very much...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mcdonalds stopped making the mcblt because of the cost of the sandwich....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it cost to much to keep the meat side hot, and the veggie side cold.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it was that, as opposed to the advertising budget (a la the Arch Deluxe line)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it was that....that is the reason corporate told us for discontinuing it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mayo with trans-fats is extremely unhealthy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I liked the arch deluxe. It's just a QP with lettuce and tomato'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it also had a slightly bigger patty than the quarterpounder.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, when it was debuted it did.  Not sure if they later adjusted downwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Yeah it did. But now I have to special order a QP with lettuce tomato'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the shamrock shake was brought back each year....took awhile to get them to bring it back.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I like the eggnog shake'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we sell tons of those shamrock shakes in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Does anyone else's McD's have Bratwurst durring the summer season?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those green dyes are suspected of causing cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's probably a special cultural thing, Thraykun.  Where you at?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The midwest'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love those chicken nuggets though...with the honey mustard.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '...haven't heard of that one, but still probably a special cultural thing.  Is your particular part of the MW more associated with those things?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially since mcdonalds changed the spice blend in the nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'McD's tries to maintain the essence of regional culinary tradition, so if the bratwurst has a major holiday all its own in your neck of the woods they'd probably set up a menu for it.  You can get poutine at french-canadian McDs, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Actually scientists found strange black fibers on McNuggets when looked at under a microscope. Possibly nanomachines?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more likely someone's hair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'No it was not consistent with hair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps even a weave.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kaltas: 'What about nano-hair?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love blimpy subs'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ick, I'd take Penn Station over those any day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/041646_Chicken_McNuggets_forensic_food_analysis_strange_fibers.html   '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'scroll down to see the pics'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, taco bell dorito tacos'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'don't they say chicken mcnuggets come from spare bird parts?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it comes from chicken paste.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same way hotdogs are made, except it is nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'oh the chicken meat is turned into a paste and then deep fried, got it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's real chicken meat.  True, they're leftover cuttings, but it's no different than the chicken you find in homemade chicken noodle soup.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you know that those packaged deli meats that avertise as more naturally wholesome are made using the same processes as chicken nuggets, with the added action to shred the edges of the slice so it doesn't look processed?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little of the animal is wasted when it comes to hotdogs or nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'one day I aspire to be on a Campbell's Chunky Chicken Noodle Soup commercial by being a successful NFL player.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'McNugget batter also contains plastic or syllicone'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when it comes to any piece of meat, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it does not contain plastic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'like Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler in Ankh-Morpork'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'his sausages contain "pig" '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plastic is toxic, Thraykun.  No government food agency would ever allow it in anything consumable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"plastic" is not a single chemical'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except perhaps China.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'there are many types of plastic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plastic-bottled water contains dissolved plastic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'oh btw, they're allowing China imports of cooked meat apparently. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Syllicone is what it is, it has traces of that in the ingredients'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(silicone)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, yes, Zade, and canned foods input paint-thinner chemicals into the product they hold (they paint the inside of the can with it so the food doesn't stick to the can).'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can eat food imported from china if you want too, but I will pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'isn't silicone the stuff that women put into their chests?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, we also seal our bathroom and fishtanks with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dried-paint leakage is less than the (#1)-plastic leakage'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and lots of adult toys and novelties are made with the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'and the mcnuggets we eat, not to mention the nano fibers it contains.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bohrium starts getting ideas....
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, carob is a pretty good chocolate substitute.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they paint the inside of the can so the food does not react with the metal of the can'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'had a carob coated carrot cake donut....was yummy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with the huge recycling kick we are all on nowadays, it's entirely possible there's some leftover residue or a stray pube in your food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would be far less than all the bugs we eat, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'canned pineapple when opened must be transferred to another (preferably flass) container before the "iron" flavor contaminates the pineapple'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to dehydrate canned pinapple.....yum'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I make my own trail mix with fruits, nuts and candies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if I can grow carob trees in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ranching, oil/energy production, gardening, food prep...how in the world do you even have time for Aardwolf, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that some cola-can manufacturers no longer paint the insides of the cans, resulting in more stomachaches to those sensitive to dissolved Aluminum -- and the cola taste is crappier and metallic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(walter mitty groupee)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hardly log onto aard much anymore, and usually afk :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of those things take care of themselves.....except for the gardening part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(baron munchewsen syndrome)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the food prep....but that stuff is easy.....using time wisely.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(did you know that i'm running a nibbler ranch on the far side of the moon)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont do much ranching anymore...the cattle tend themselves, as do the goats, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wind turbines up in northwest Texas, the power companies take care of those, same with the oil/gas leases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mostly spend my time in the greenhouse now, or prepping for the end that is never going to occur in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing like canned rabbit :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if I need food I just spray the ground with some bird feed and methodically pick them off one by one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(this is the internet, i may claim to be anything i want (if mendacity is not illegal), (and if i believe that telling grandiose tales is okay, with or wihout a disclaimer))'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'watching these hunting showing with these guys in camo gear laying in swamps covered with alligator crap to pick off ducks is funny'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'just throw some feed, let them come to you, and bam! dinner'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(somebody is watching the "free" Wildlife channels this month)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or Duck Dynasty or one of the other reality shows featuring hunters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'growing rabbit is the best way to have meat...no need to hunt, or keep huge animals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hunting near baiting is illegal in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'snatching little kids off playgrounds is also illegal in Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if not illegal where you are, tsk'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the only thing with raising animals is that you might get attached to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just name them lunch and dinner....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol sorry I read Charlotte's Web... '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I used to raise squirrels and then just chuck them outside.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'squirrels are delicious....especially the lower half...the upper half has to many bones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fry em up in bacon fat and lemon pepper.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't know, my cat knows how good they are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Wilbur probably did get turned into sausages, pork and ham slabs, but they don't tell you that in the book. '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that came in the sequel, he made a cameo appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Milliways)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and considering how fast rabbits can multiply...you can easily get more meat from a pair of rabbits then you could from a pair of cattle'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a jerky gun....going to try to make rabbit meat sticks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food process the rabbit meat into hamburger, and add spices, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rabbit meat is "off" and is not as tasty as beef or chicken'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you obviously have not tasted grass fed rabbit then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well meat can also be flavored in the preparation process as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and sheep or lamb meat: bleh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'marinating, smoke, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pork chops: double bleh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'b a c o n!'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bacon soon becomes nauseating'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for you perhaps, more for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'seared pork butt is pretty good too'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I buy pork bellies in bulk.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever had candied bacon, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my idea of candied bacon is to fry bacon in brown sugar and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'baking it is better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried bacon with cornbread crust.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'question on bacon'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cornbacon dog'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'do you prefer bacon fried to crisp or just pan fried to a soft and chewy texture?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on how I am using it'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it is a blt, I like it crispy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by chewy do you mean rubbery-like, sort of like a perfectly-tender steak?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the longer you cook it though, the more yummy bacon grease you have for making hotcakes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'attempting to chew rubbery gristle is  ycch'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I like it the chewy way.  A little crisp is acceptable, but crispy all the way through like a potato chip is too close to burnt and I patently dislike burnt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'some breakfast dinner give you like over-fried bacon stripes and it breaks up into pieces when you try to use a fork on it. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'diner i mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bacon is meant as a finger food'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'greasy fingers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I opened up a jar of my canned bacon from 6 months ago.....holy shit yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they wanted you to use a fork on it, they'd have given you a bacon steak.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna use some hamburger rocks and bacon bits to make tacos tomorrow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should keep a couple cases of hamburger rocks in storage.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ancient egyptians used to make chocolate out of carob.....it was a treat for royalty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the last time i had to deal with chocolate, I ended up in Willy Wonka's Chocolate factory and got turned into an umpa lumpa.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oompa loompa'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you have no idea what trouble i had to go through to convince Willy Wonka to turn me back to normal considering he had the oompa loompas working'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'for slave wages and paid them in chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could have turned you into a blueberry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'speaking of which....should bake up some blueberry muffins....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 20 quarts of blueberries from the store that were on sale.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueberry muffins with cinnamon sugar sprinkled on top after they are dipped in melted butter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Blueberry Muffin.... yummmm'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'to me, I think berries are too strong if you eat em raw'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try them dehydrated....then eat them raw that way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but yea if you turn them into a paste or jam, and then haven them in a muffin or pie. They're great.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to blend them and then mix into the muffin batter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueberry strawberry muffins also'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or blend that in with cheesecake.... yummy '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chocolate blueberry cheesecake, with 2 types of chocolate.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my moms cheesecake would give a regular cheesecake a heart attack.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'homemade or restaurant-made cheesecake is always better than on-the-shelf cheesecake.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and then tack on a dab or layer of honey on top of the cheesecake...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or strawberry puree'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if two mentally challenged people have a kid, would the state take it away to be adopted by a regular couple ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on both the state (probably in terms of state law differences, but more likely in the competence of the case worker) and the couple.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Mentaly challenged have raised children before. '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I turned out ok.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I mentally challenge myself every day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can see why american indians became so fat.....that fried indian bread is freaking amazing!'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can add protein powder to almost everything.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and get "gout sooner", with a risk of ostioporosis  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(osteoporosis)  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chew on some calcium carbonate'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless that protein is building something healthy, excess protein is dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extra CaCO3 is not enough'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fry it first.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love instant coffee also...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make some hot chocolate and add a scoop or two of instant coffee'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of known votes, congress is currently lined up three to one against the president, and against striking syria.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which means the president is going to have to descend down to the floor and start working it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which will cost political capital that hw wanted to spend elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless he says "screw it"... I'm just going to bomb the crap out of them on my own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'alternatively he could wait for evidence'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or come up with a different reason'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't think there would ever be any un-ompeachable evidence - which means it's worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he could wait for evidence... and after he gets it, he could wait for better evidence.... after shich he could wait for UN approval.... after which he could consult an astrologist... on and on.... he's supposed to be a decision maker, not a lawyer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOW... on sending this to congress - It really chaps my arse, but it was the technically correct thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the notion that everyone would just pass it thru was never practical.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I say let the swedes deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fins have lined up with russia, so they're out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'deal with what? Attacking Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'really... what I would like to see is someone else stepping up and demonstrating some leadership on this planet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Very few swedes believe the solution to be bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... that's true... so let them solve it without bombs... I'm fine with that.  As long as they solve it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sweden hasn't show any global leadership since Gustav Adolphus'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sweden is a small country. But who is Adolphus?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Gustav II Adolf?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gustavaus adolphus... gustav adolf....  '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reformation and the 30 years war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod, many swedish kings liked to go to war at that time'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and the wars almost broke the country completely in teh end'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... wars will do that.  so let them solve the syria issue without war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bottom line is that the US doesn't have a deployable army ATM....  we're all tapped out'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'used up... someone else pick up the slack'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know if anyone has a solution for the conflict at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are too many groups that has an interest in keeping the conflict going'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'have*'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps... but there's plenty of folks that have their baskets of rotten vegetable ready.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Like I said the other day = I predict that the US will not act in Syria.  And that it will begin another period of US isolationalism.  Let the rest of the world deal with the problems for a while'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'protestors protesting walmart in new york city.... where there is no walmart'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pelosi warns that they might not have enough votes for war. Fucking get in there! :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as predicted'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of know votes, it is curently 3 to 1 against a strike'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt pressure will be put'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he pushes ahead regardless, he's done for'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama is going to have to personnaly engage... something he has rarely (if ever) done'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it'll help, it's pretty clear Kerry is full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he will have to go to congress himself and push push push... and it will cost him political capital that he wanted to spend elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the numbers are that far apart, no amount of pushing will help'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's in the oppositions interest to say no regardless'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the end, conservatives will give him his war, but not before they have stripped him bare, and take all his poker chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd be retarded to give him it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if they can beat him down in every other arena... and on top of that, he will have to take the heat for "starting" things in Syria.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is nothing in it for the US to be involved, there is no justification to be involved, and there is no action he can take that will solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'precisely... yet he is pushing hard for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does that tell you about Obama?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is pushing hard for a war that noone wants, that will do the country no good, and will further embroil us in issues that can only hinder us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a sociopath to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the process, he will have to trade off everything else that he is hoping to accomplish'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd be better off just writing it off'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and say congress has spoken'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the -only- outcome that he can actually use to his advantage'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it means he can blame inaction on the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will be very painful for america, but in the end, I believe that it will reveal much about obama, and the progresive agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the progressive agenda is to bankrupt the middle class and centralise all power and control in the hands of a few political elite'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do not, however, understand why he is pushing so hard for a strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the goal of progressives/socialists/communists has always been'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly he's being told to'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... but WHY'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA/MIC are telling him to'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but _WHY_'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in bad news, a filling of mine fell out earlier :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what agenda will be served by a strike on Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who profits? (aside from the odd $million per missile)_'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money for the military industrial contract, stirs up radicalism and allows them to further clamp down on freedoms at home owing to 'terrorism''
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war is good for certain businesses'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't know what we should actually do, but with children being killed by poison gas and something like napalm being dropped on a school, its hard to just sit back and say "ok, let that monster slaughter as many of his people as he feels like."'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... but openly causing conflict is counter to the public face of the progressive agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which monster, malkar? they're all at it over there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'syria is mild compared to many african nations'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, vl, that's because the progressive agenda has tried to paint itself as liberal when really it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of corporate fascism with socialism at the public interface, that's what you have'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can't really say he is causing a conflict with the current level of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Assad didn't start this fight, and it' been nearly always the rebels responsible for attrocities, including the 2 Sarin attacks prior to the August one'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... so let's pretend that syria is a pail of oil that is burning away... burning, but relatively controled burning... what happens when you throw a firecracker into that pail?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The other agrument in favor of intervening is tyring to prevent chemical weapons from becoming acceptable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and throwing some cruise missiles in there will help how, Malkar?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think the firecracker has already been thrown, Assad is not going to become more violent to his own people.  If he could be more violent the opposition would be dead already.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't his own people, they're islamic extremists from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more so that any of our other recent incursions... Syria is complicated by other national interests... there are Russian advisors and pilots aiding the syrians... what happens when we accididentally kill a couple russians?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I do see the problems with going in,  No clean way to an end, not entirely sure who is going to be in charge when its over.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would have been best would have been not to arm and train the terrorists int he first place'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may have been Assad would have stayed in charge, but at least innocent people wouldn't have been massacred by Sunnhi nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'a good point about the russians.  I'm not really sure how that would turn out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russians are advising the regime, CIA are aiding the rebels'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is already a proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you let it burn, a couple things happen - syria will not survive as it is now... it will descend further into chaos, and eventually anarchy.  That leaves the russians responsible to the world at large for what ever else happens.  Russia is getting a bit to big for its "former soviet britches"'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much bollocks, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't caused by the Russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which part?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone knows that when the shit hits the fan, it's always the Americans' fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who cares who started it... all any one cares about is who's holding the bag when the music stops'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop defending the west's bad choice of allies'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if we stand off... that someone will be the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not caused by the russians, but they are on the side of Assad, who can't really be seen as the hero here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shit situation that the west made far fucking worse, now you're trying to blame the Russians? hardly fair'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to solve the middle east, turn Saudi Arabia into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's another angle... if we stand off... maybe some other country (like sweden) will step up and take some action.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll nip 90% of the terrorism in the bud right there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no action that can be taken to solve this'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a syrian problem, let the syrians sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Did the Arab league vote to allow an attack?  I saw a headline about that, but didn't get more information.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arab league is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'SA offered to pay for everything if we hit them'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that shoudl tell you plenty'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that was pretty foul smelling'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'WOW'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially given that Saudi Arabia have threatened Russia with terrorist ataacks if they don't back down, and some reports lay the source of the Sarin at SA's feet'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Russia were to nuke Saudi Arabia, i'd not be unhappy'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until you went to fill up your gastank.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the gastank, oil can come from elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a boil that needs lancing'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start importing from Iran again'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe we can get sweden to hid saudi arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ramp up US oil production'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hit'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but you don't get it without severe repercussions if you instantly took a big chunk of the producer bloc out of commission.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, Hans, but it'd be a price worth paying for world peace'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Has Sweeden even hinted at doing that?  I think France talked about strikes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as undermining the excuse the 'progressive's give for persecuting libertarians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'demand would jump across the board... big oil would reap foreign profits while they can... gas would just cost more'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing Sweden has offered is to take the Syrian refugees and give them asylum'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a LOT more.  Forget $5/gallon, we'd probably slingshot straight to 7+, and that's assuming everyone just ignores that we just took a major country off the map.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that it's already $9, no need to worry there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is... everything that has ever been done to stabalize the region has turned to crap... anything that anyone tries in the future to stabalize the region will turn to crap....  so let someone else take the crap for a while'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the place is just a crap hole'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA wouldn't be affected, you have mroe than enough domestic supply that you can ramp up pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of africa, too, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'after an adjustment period the US would be ok we have more supply but only when it gets to $110 a barrel'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already >$100, so it won't make much difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably have a minor schism as people panic needlessly'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everything north of south africa, southwest asia, and most of eastern europe... to hell with it all.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes definetly short term panic.  We are good at that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got two bricks of .22 shells the other day... that was a big score'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also got small pistol and magnium rifle primers.... all at regular prices'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at regular stores'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, you gotyourself on the gun registry!'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... paid cash and showed no ID'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure there was video somewhere, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you have an illegal gun...even better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA database to the rescue'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no background check on the pistol?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I bought .22 bullets and primers'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have enough guns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok I read the history more carefully. my bad :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... I have a reasonable number of guns... NEVER enough.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately you'll have those confiscated soon'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now you're hoarding?  Better make sure your fire insurance is up to date...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fortunatly, they have to be 'found out' first... over half of them were purchased in CO pre-bradey bill'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a vet, they'll come use bullshit psychiatric rulings to confiscate your guns'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rest I had even before that.  There are three that _might_ show up on a list,'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't see gun confiscation happening here anytime soon.  For the few groups that are confiscating guns (from people who aren't allowed to have them like felons or strict PFA orders) they have a large backlog.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'our local walmart today had a sign up that said boxes of 22 cal ammo are limited to one per customer per day'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, still shortages'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limited .22 rounds have been the norm for over a year now... they're steadily coming back, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got my 1K at academy sports... two box limit... cashier didn't know that each brick had 10 boxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would trigger a swat team raid in many places now'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be glad she didn't realise'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but prices were marked per/brick, so I figure that's my two boxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limits were off for most other pistol cal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.40, 9mm, .357 & .38... buy as many as you like'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and get swat teamed :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is S.AL... there's no swat that'll do that'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets not go onto how difficult it is to hire people who are even vaguely competent. I have too much to say.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regarding the NY walmart protests?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so here's one.. if pot is legal, and you are doing an interview, can you ask if they smoke pot?  you can ask if they drink or smoke tobacoo'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you can ask anything you want, really'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, asking for the latter two is patently illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can discriminate against drinkers and smokers for jobs... so you ought to be able to discriminate against pot smokerers, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically it should be illegal to discriminate based on any of those'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can ask if they smoke pot, it is illegal under federal law, even if there is no chance that you will be prosecuted in certain states.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... a short research shows that I am in error......'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN ask if they do illegal drugs... that is perfectly fine...  you can't ask about prescription drugs - you CAN ask if they take medication that might effect their ability to drive or operate machinery (a copier, in this case, can be used as the machienery).'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are ways around most of it... you can also inquire about any criminal cases relating to the former'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd bet a copier wouldn't qualify.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'some places won't hire smokers because they raise healthcare costs.  I'm fairly certain that is legal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I can't operate a copier sober...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personally, If I'm the employer (especially if I only have 2-3 employees), I should be able to hire who ever the hell I want, for what ever reason I want'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, you should only be able to hire who we tell you you can hire.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'based on race?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, VL, though if you're going to have 'equality' then you either should be able to discriminate however you see fit, or not be able to discriminate on anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for some discrimination to be legal and other not is just hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd say yeah, but that'd be racist.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is hiring a hot white chick over a dumpy black man discrimination?  If you can make the case that you did not NOT hire the black because he was black... but rather hired the chick because whe was SOOO HOT, is that still discrimination?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on the job.  Hooters, I think, won a case that determined the primary reason for a job (ie, attractiveness) allowed them to pass over a more-qualified applicant who was not pretty enough.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there may have been a boob job involved, but I don't remember.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and I think a dentist was allowed to fire his assisant because she was too hot, and thus a temptation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about life style?  not all the catchy headline grabing stuff like pot smoking, or homesexuality, but just how a person lives... If you're from a small-ish town, and of the two applicants, one is know to stay out in the bars till all hours, and often leaves with different women to fornicate - can you chose not to hire him?  I would think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It would make sense that you could, becuase you could doubt his ability to be productive in the morning, but legaly I have no clue.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, you can't.  Many employers do, of course, just like most people jaywalk or illegally download music.  Just because they do things and nobody raises a fuss doesn't mean it's not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after all, your employees represent your business... you can have a sayso in how your business is represented.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take the Army, for example... they sure as hell ask if you drink or do drugs... they even take blood and urine randomly 3-4 times a year.  If you are not properly representing the interest of the US army, you are invited to leave.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this is why many employers require background checks.  Your background becomes a convenient loophole.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'up until recently, that included being openly gay - speaking of gay... how about Texas not paying gay national guard dependents benifits?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have refered them to the federal government for compensation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the other hand, if you come into the interview hungover or drunk or otherwise reeking of booze then obviously they don't have to ask if you drink and can skip to the non-hire part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but since Gay marriage is not legal in Texas, Texas is not paying for gay marriage benifits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'off to go make some sawdust'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BBL'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'put a smile on put a smile on everyone come on!...before ronald mcdonald got canned and the slogan became I'm loving it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wow, I need to keep up with the news better. I see that Ariel Castro hung himself.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'to dry or off a window?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'there will be peace with cuba at last...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i don't even know who ariel castro is. Sounds like a motor oil brand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what makes you think there isn't peace in Cuba now?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it's hanged not hung.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, Ariel Castro has nothing to do with Cuba, he's the guy who kidnapped those women and kept them for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True, about hanged vs hung. Still, I'm over it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ana, I think Thraykun was making a joke.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find it very suspicious that he suicided, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unpopular criminals have a way of dying suddenly while in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's cause he had no women in jail and couldn't last any longer...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at his age, that's doubtful :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'It's possible that prison guards or police could of "suicided" him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Cops get away with murder all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we'll have to take their word that they didn't :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or he slipped on a bar of soap and hit his head against the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i'd say Karma was responsible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he probably didn't want to bend over and pick up the soap...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that would have led to some backdoor entries'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't find it at all suspicious that he commmitted suicide. '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Certain types of criminals just don't survive in prison. The other prisoners who are hardened criminals or lifers already love to get their hands on woman beaters or more especially "chesters" which is code for child molester. Chester Chester the child molester.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'definitely some probing issues...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought the code for child molestors was short-eyes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chester the Molester, my favorite sick-o :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Well it's different depending on location probably. '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'strictly speaking he wasn't a child molestor, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'He kidnapped 3 women for like what 10 years? And did god knows what to them? He might be just as bad in my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, we don't know what he did, though he probably did something illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone notice that sos john kerry looks like a muppet now?  All that botox has muppetized him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, the largest volcano on earth is in the pacific ocean....and it is only 25% smaller than the largest volcano in the solar system which is on mars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, how interesting....a guy flying a radio controlled helicopter lost control of the chopper and it sliced his head clean off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps a homicide (with an overriding remote)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'tel us what you REALLY think about abortion'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i propose that sentience is necessary for murder'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'an unborn baby is not sentient and therefore its death does not count as murder'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama got a kicking at the G20'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA finally admits that your 'secure' web traffic is not secure, thanks to a combination of cracking techniques and built in flaws in commonly used systems'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee thanks America'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't be flaws if they were built-in.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd be considered flaws if known to the target market'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there's the story of the 'missing' nukes'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how scarey is it that a bunch of nuclear warheads can be transferred from an airbase that wasn't supposed to have them, without signed paperwork'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about as scary as knowing just how frequently engine mishaps occur in-flight.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'well they were not suppose to have them, why add more paper work!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good point, tormat!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why further incriminate yourselves?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how I got the three nuke in my basement'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oops... did I say that out loud?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nope, you wrote it down and signed it :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Special Agents Kallen and Hannah have already figured out that those were Russian, so you're in the clear.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now i have to use Tor for everything, grumble'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and TLS for everything else'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NSA won't be happy until the Internet is dead and nobody speaks to anyone else ever'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's absolutely nothing on the internet that security agencies cannot access, either because a convenient (if secret, obviously) way is supplied or through hackery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'potentially'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not potentially.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, potentially'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when it the AI cloud coming out'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just host your own tor server and see how that works out for you'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't hacked everything yet, and there are technologies coming that will turn the tide... for a while, as has always been the case'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone were to use tor and/or encryption it would severely curtail the NSA's abilities'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you choose to believe that, we won't stop you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it scales up the power requirements, much of the cracking work is still done using brute force'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything encrypted is stored for later analysis, so storage requirement scales up'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by encrypting mundane creates more noise'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and over all, it's better than doing nothing'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ooh, 30 days in jail for raping a student...'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because rape is the democrat way'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'reminds me of that Vermont case where the kiddie-diddler got probation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only whistleblowers, gun-owners, and non-violent criminals get locked up for long periods, part of social engineering you see'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I cringe everytime some rapist gets less time than Manning'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got an idea... let's encrypt every single stinking think we can think of... grocery lists, radio programs, text messages, even plain voice conversations in our living room... we'll create a data burden that is so huge that it will cost trillions to manage!  of course, we'll dang well spend those trillions, USAs economby will crumble, and the Muslim brotherhood will assume power and impose sharia law across the globe... starting with sweden'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys might be tempted to take the mofo's down before you get to that stage'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm down with that, IKEA is the devil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you all seem to like taking it up the chuff, so maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can think of a few bitches in the neighborhood that will look just fine in  a hijab'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ugly bitches?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might finally shut them up'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ugly AND mouthy'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think this conversation got about as un-pc as it can...'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the kind that strut because their SOOO fat!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're probably closer to the pakistani version than the taliban version.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they the sort to wear short t-shirts where you can't tell whether they're fat or just pregnant?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they wear the kind of t-shirts where you can't tell well their boobs stop, and the fat gut starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you tried steralising them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and lycra up to their butt cracks... which is to say, it''
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and lycra up to their butt cracks... which is to say, it's more butt crack than lycra'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think will happen when the war bill fails?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder how they'll deal with genital mutilation'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a hajib is tame compared to the rest of the charia tools for controling a beligerant woman'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're mostly jewish, would GM even be necessary?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the women, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good thing about that is if they come telling you what to do, put a cap in their islamic arse'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and face cuttings for the girls who are too pretty'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, we don't have caps here, so we have to get creative with crossbows/bows+arrows, molotovs etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in extreme cases... removal of ears, and even in extreme cases (as in one step shot of just executing them) taking their noses off'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then there's always acid... a favorite of sharia enforcers everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and russians)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russians use acid?  I never knew that was one of their hallmarks'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened to some guy in the opera company'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you're talking about the LSED variety'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LSD, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sharia law ain't pretty... and it will take some serious adjustments for americans to cope... but they eventually come around'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharia law probably isn't any worse than any other brand of authoritarianism, such as the one we're all headed into'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit, different justification'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're just having your rights and freedoms trampled because some invented man in the sky said so rather than some god wannabe who has more money than you said sop'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion and big governments are almost identical'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might have mentioned that I volunteer at my daughter's middel school cafeteria from time to time...  I'm the guy who takes the finished trays from the children when they are done with them, scrape them into the trash, and set them in bins, and set them into the washer (the actual job of pushing the button to start the wash cycle is a union job, and off limits to volunteers).............'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, another fellow that volunteers brought in a portable truck scale (four pads that each of the four tires is driven up onto).  He set them up, and we laid a piece of 3/4" plywood over them, and put all the garbage cans on top of that.  He then zeroed it out, and lunch began.........'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'each child was getting about 14oz of edible food in their meals - at the end of lunch, there was 8.5oz of food waste per child - right at around 60%'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that doesn't include liquid waste like half drank milk cartons'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, even the pope has taken the side against Obama and Syrian war'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Senator Graham (neocon warmonger and corporate stooge that the teaparty are trying to unseat) warning of a nuclear strike on South Carolina a day after news report of nuclear warheads being moved there (illegally) from Texas?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'he's probably trying to get attention, or he's just a bit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they have moved nukes there'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that much is confirmed'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also trying to 'recall' McCain in Arizona, and good job'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'who's McCain?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is a brand of oven chips, but he's also a pro-war neocon fascist fake republican from Arizona'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what's a neocon?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On the topic of pro-war, when did Obama suddenly become one? '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some definitions of neocon:  Originally used to describe left-wingers who crossed the floor, neocons are on the authoritarian right, rather than the traditionally conservative libertarian right. They tend to be very pro-war and adopt the mentality of "We're better than you and we know it." '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or is it just that he likes to kill people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Criminally insane spenders that believe in killing brown people for the new world order. Huge Orwellian government, unfathomable amounts of spending, bomb tens of thousands of people to death to rearrange the globe. Take the worst aspects of the liberal and conservative positions and combine them into one and you would have a NeoCon."'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a similar description of them are "corporate fascists"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why is it right, according to Obama, to kill people in syria to show that it''
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'is wrong to kill people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Obama is a Neocon'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not right, he's just showing his true colours'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his corporate masters have decided that there will be WW3, it's the only thing that can disguise the economy collapse caused by their raping of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least most leaders in europe disagree with him so far. Except for denmark and france.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'it's wrong to kill people unless you have a good reason'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Killing to show that killing is wrong, is wrong. That's why I am against the death penalty as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, not true ranrr, UK and Germany leaders agree with him, just don't want to commit'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the biggest problem here is Saudi Arabia, that's who is driving this'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, taking the moral highground for 'chemical weapons', seems weird coming from a country that is the reason we made those international laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of having a UN if you ignore it when it suits you?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UN is very broken, but if the US wants to ignore them, they should just leave the organisation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hopefully this will lead to a bit of a bump for peaceful libertarianism in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the libertarians can seize control of the GOP then it's on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of you will have to put a peg on your nose and put up with some of the crazier religious aspects of the teaparty and work with them'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt it. Obama is  very good at public speaking, I bet he will convince people that an attack on Syria is needed and justified.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not sure they're even going to vote on it because it won't pass'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'how do you know it will?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, they're constantly canvassing them, it won't pass'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Obama is not stupid. He made sure to get a positive vote beforehand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the congress know that if they pass it, they're history'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why UK backed down'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hopefully, I am wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do pass it, they're history in 2014 and WW3 starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't pass it, Obama has 2 options'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what are those options?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least Obama got a lot of critizism when he visited Sweden this week. Except from the stupid Danes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his 2 options are attack regardless: he gets impeached and democrats become unelectable, ww3 starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'options 2: backs down, everyone goes back to sleep'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, I doubt an attack on Syria will start WWIII. Russia is not that stupid, they will back off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia and Iran have already said they'd intervene'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will probably prolong the cold war, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China are mobilising'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i really do hope they do intervene'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they do, it will be by proxy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you want to live in a world where the world bully decides to ignore the wishes of everyone else and destroy countries?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'against the will of their own people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't just carry on letting these people that are supposed to represent us get away with this stuff unchecked, at some point they have to be told "NO"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's called "getting a grip"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I am just hoping that the US will some time mature and start acting like an adult instead of a kid. '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, well it might be the fallout of this causes them too, i've already laid out what i think is the best chance of that happenin'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The chemical weapons in Syria was a false flag anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maube another world war is needed for that, but I hope not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but americans are generally lazy and stupid (much like the rest of the public)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so stuff won't change until shit gets real'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since the US doesn't abide by international law anyway, they have no right to be a world police because of these accusations.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a different example - people have been warning about federal overreach, spying, snooping, recording for years. it's only when shit got real there was a public outcry'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be a public outcry about the militarisation of the police and the deploying of fema until people start getting shot/disappearing'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be an outcry about obamacare until people can't afford healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be an outcry about the mishandling of the economy until people start struggling to fund eating'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could say that people are asleep, it takes a lot for them to wake up'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that I don't think that public healthcare is bad, you are probably right.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public healthcare isn't always bad, but it is when you make it a corporate monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what is causing the UK system to start going bankrupt, and is what will happen with the US system'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't agree with public healthcare mandates'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You don't believe that healthcare should be tax financed, or just that healthcare should only be available to those that have money? Or both?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in USA's case the best solution would be to have global, very basic care provided universally funded by tax, and leave the health insurance market alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think that government should provide health care, public transportation, schooling and basic safety (e.g. police and firefighting). Anything outside of that should be private.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe some infrastructure too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't agree with taxes either, so maybe thats my problem. Taxes are theft of my money by means of extortion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody requires to pay for those armies'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't think a government is needed at all. Anything the state can provide can be provided without it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of the USA, the federal government shouldn't be providing any of those things, only defence and infrastruture that enables the states to trade effectively'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The state is government.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Thats correct.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The individual states should decide what items are beneficial to their people to be provided,a nd should only provide those things universally that are agreed upon that cannot be efficiently provided privately, such as those things you mention'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you don't want government, there are some places in africa you can go to.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the USA is too big and contains far too many different environments and varied demography to apply a blanket federal cover to'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Ah the old "if you don't like it gtfo" argument.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not how it was set up, and it fails when you try to impose it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, just giving you options.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should offer a safety net'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should also provide police to deal with crimes. By crimes i mean crimes against people and their property, not enforce regulations'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'However, they should not tell you what you can eat, who you can fuck, or who you can marry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'A government should only do two things for it's people, protect them from force and fraud.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you need government for that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, but it was supposed to ensure that protection was universal'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitution was there to ensure the protection wasn't corrupted/abused'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That sounds to me like a really bad basics for a government. Basically, a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, the basis of police was peace keepers'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not there for the government, they're there for the people'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government is supposed to provide FOR the police, not be the police'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same way that the government should provide FOR healthcare, not be the healthcare provider'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(sole healthcare provider)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My comment was for thraykuns statement, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got a bit bigger of an issue here because we have a small island with a lot of people'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't easily push power down to local levels, the infrastructure doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'independent states with widely varying standards and rules can create issues all their own'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different set of issues, yet, but localised'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Pretty much what my statement means is the government provides the tools to enforce laws against murder and the like'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'But really we don't need government to have things like police and laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i always believed that, Thraykun, the law should be a TOOL for police to use... a means to and end, not an end itself'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagine nevada trying to stem the flood of imegrants from CA, NM, AZ and Idaho if they did away with taxes and ffunded the state entirly with casio revenue, and paid a dividend?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... I don't see AK having much of an imegration issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could try, probably wouldn't work too well'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor example'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truth of the matter is that you wouldn't see that much difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see some states collapsing, movement of people, rebirth'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california, for instance, would implode pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CA get's alot of federal funds'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also essentially insolvent'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and applies it to no-return programs'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, the UK is insolvent'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Texas could actually do better for itself as its own country rather than a state. Remove the amound of federal taxes people pay and they'd have a surplus'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most governments are... most individuals are, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not!'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've never confused you with "most people" TG'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only the states with oil that would survive, texas, dakota'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AK'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the breadbasket states would muddle through and be ok'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Guess who wouldnt allow that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the neocons/corporate fascists won't allow it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means the federal government won't allow it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Liberals are driving everyone out of their own states. We might have a new Colorado and California out of all this.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the federal government at this point are an entity who are thrashing about to save their own skins, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the coutnry'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA can be saved. the UK is more difficult proposition'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Liberals? In the US? There are no liberal politicians there, or am I missing something?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, fake liberals'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're really just authoritarians'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Yeah those. The statists.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the meaning of "liberal" is different in most of the europe'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal is always seen as government enforced'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, it does here. our liberals are usually right-wing economic neo-liberals'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'talking about small state etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, places where democracy hasn't rotted yet because it hasn't been there long enough'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only thing they are liberal about is the "right" to kill the unborn.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck em. i vote social democrat'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, afaik abortion is legal non-issue pretty much everywhere in europe'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no liberals in UK politics, nearest we have is UK independant party which is socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'labour is pretty liberal, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarian, socially conservative, fiscally conservative'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'originally it was authoritarian, socially conservative, fiscally socalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK we have the same problem as the US - two opposing parties which are the same with different branding'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The U.K. needs a better Ron Paul than David Icke'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, anyone who pops up like that instantly gets demonised by the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very difficult to get traction without a crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least if the US pulls it's socks up and goes back to state empowerment, i could have somewhere to run to :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "weak" Federal government, as desired by Tigernuts, may be likened to the "weak" UN, with the UN member nations acting like UN "states", with each "state" doing their preferred local tyranny and run by local despots'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if each state, each county, each municiality, were permitted to do their thing, local tyrannies and local intolarent oppressions, are more likely to abound'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so knee-jerk weakening for the sake of weakening (the Federal government) is likely to degenerate into local anarchies as intolerant greedy perverts do their local thing opressing others'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich and advantaged usually want less rules to apply to their greedy activities, while being protected by the state, so they may hold onto their ill-gotten gains '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UN is weak because of the veto, and because it is run by military power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the UN were "strong", then hell-on-earth is likely to result, when merely a few humans running the UN to botch things and spread oppression with their "vision of the nw world order'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that believe in the Rule of Law by a few are also believing in Rule of Oppression by the opinions of a few'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the UN actually represented the will of the citizens of the world, instead of the will of the military powers of the world, they might become more relevant and useful. I don't see a huge risk of the UN turning into a world government.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: '.....you don't see a risk? All it would take is a change of leadership and opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that believe that local governments are likely to be more competent, merely require to look at the inane incompetent opinions expressed in this debate channel (some local governments may be okay. masbe, but likely most are going to degenerate into incompetent oppressive local governments) -- similar to how most world nations are incompetent or oppressive or defective)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, Thraykun, it wouldn't. The UN has no resources, and if it was a democracy, the risk would be minimal. Unless that's what people want, and gave them the power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Your scenario implied the idea of the UN being a world government. It would have to have resources to do that yes? Like blue helmet soldiers and shit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just want a UN ruled by the majority opnion, not by whoever has the most weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is not supposed to be a democracy -- else a majority of despotic nations is likely to vote for their greedy intolerant options'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that's why the UN failed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose of the UN is to ensure that member nations are able to voice their concerns'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it failed, miserably, with that purpose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An organization based on military power can not be used for democratic purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the UN, the member nations are likely to voice their concerns in local squabbles, violently in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A democratic UN would work much better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Majority rule? Fuck no.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer democracy in government. If you don't, that's fine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'what if the majority disagrees with you?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'and votes against your rights?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they do, I'll have to abide by the majority. That's how things work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What if the despot ruler decides I have no rights?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Literal democracy is a good path to dictatorship. A representative republic prevents this.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'or at least does a better job of preventing it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UN is not a representative republic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'It's also a faliure.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is not a failure'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. Because it is not representative.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to ignore a UN that doesn't represent the wishes of the people of the world. It's harder to ignore a UN that does.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN represents the desires of the rulers of the member nations, not the peoples'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It represent the desires of a few rulers, if they can agree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently in most countries, the desires of the rulers are those of a select few (includes financial conglomerates and those few they report to, not the majority of the peoples)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "people" will give leadership to who ever promises the most free chicken...  democracy's biggest flaw.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the other flaw of true democracy (as opposed to representative) is the will of the majority vs the will of the minority'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ask a group of 6 nazi and 4 jews what the country should do for pass-over, and let them vote on it....  The nazi will vote to gass the jews, and that'll be the end of pass-over.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why we have constitutions.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as well as "representative" democracy....'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we send representatives (liars, cheats, and all other manner of vile politician) to washington NOT to vote how we want them to vote, but to represent our, and the nations's interests (at least that's how it's SUPPOSED to work)... presumably, that keeps the jews from getting gassed.... AND it keeps bacon on the cricery shelves.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'grocery, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bacon is not kosher'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct... if the jews were a majority, and everything were decided on majority votes... there would be NO bacon'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the nazi were the majority, there would be jews... etc etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldbe NO jews, that is'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno about that. you can't buy bacon in tel aviv?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stay with me here... it's an illustration.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if you can or not... I know you can't buy it in Mosul'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or taji, or hebron'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'undeniable proof - in every instance of teen-violence in the past 17 years, there was a common and contributing factor in every case....'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in ever case, the perps were know oxygen breathers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there you have it... O2 leads to violence in our schools'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'did you also know that the number #1 cause of death is birth?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correlation does not imply causation'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm very sure that if you did not undergo birth you would not die'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so there is causation'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get, use turn twist bend....  on and on and on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'syria is already soooo stale.  Americans have been inoculated - no one cares - obama did not have to put his nobel peace prize at risk - congress got to act tough against obama - end of story.  anything left to play out after this is pure pointless drama'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, someone's advertising credit card debt forgiveness on the radio.  They've traditionally offered it to anyone with $10,000 or more in ccd, but this advert expands that to those with a mere $2000 in ccd.  Guess that's a good thing, in that more people are kicking down their bad debt issues and taking away their business?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is it a "good thing" to slide out from personal responsibility?  how is it a "good thing" to act with no regard for consequence?  how is it a "good thing" to let OTHERS should the burden of your own personal irresponsibility?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should - shoulder'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Generally speaking, it isn't for grown ups.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no sir.. I do not believe it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was respond very late to Hanslanda's comment about CC debt forgiveness.  'debate -h 10''
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you rack up $2k in CC debt, and then walk away from it, it has a negative impact on the rest of the population... that debt doesn't just turn into pixie farts.  It gets spread around to the people who do pay.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Oh, I see, yeah I think it also has more to do with credit being harder to get on that note.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'that advert is a scam'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the one to settle with the IRS for pennies on the dollar?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the IRS one gets advertised on some pretty solid radio stations.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'you will owe the irs/credit card nothing, but owe the scammers $$$ and they will break bones'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and is endorsed by some pretty solid radio personalities.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'radio personality and solid is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh yes... I see where you're going... pay us $1,000 and we'll make $2,000 in CC debt go away'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debt consolidation loans are also pretty harsh'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get lower monthly outflow, but you incure a huge intrest load spread over a very long time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'The next crisis will be caused by the ulimited borrowing on unsubsidized loans that get defaulted on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Somewhat (only) more legitimate. At least you can usually get a loe=wer total interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that hasn't already happened?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Somewhat (only) more legitimate. At least you can usually get a loe=wer total interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But there is no such thing as a free lunch, only suckers who believe in it, and one born every minute'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so do all americans think canadians live in igloos and ride polar bears or wat'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'They do'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'who '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But Canada is just the 51st state anyway'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh now :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'know'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but canadians gained their independence'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'some Canadians do live in igloos :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'it might be the case that they don't know they are Canadian citizens, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'true but not all canadians'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'can you elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'all I am saying is that Canada being a huge country might have citizens that are not aware that they are :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'haha i doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'do you thing that some who have never gone south of the arctic circle are really aware of Canada as a country?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'think*'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'they do have schools there u know that right'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'I am certain that I am referring to a very small minority, I just think that there are some :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ah there could be thats true'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the al gore lobby are now blaming the Syrian conflict on global warming'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'California is to start testing digital license plates in a move towards the real time tracking of all cars'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big mac > whopper'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'PC > Mac'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Pepsi > Coke'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chevy > Ford'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Charmin > Scotties'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bandaid > Curad'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Alabama > Auburn'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Footbal (american) > Socker'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it's > than soccer, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'socker's what they play in sckotland'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<sigh>'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American Football is inferior to rugby, but if you want pointless clan-based entertainment to distract you from the fact we're all being ripped off, then FINE'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great, so now the SWAT team killed a 107yr old man'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty damning: http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=13EAAF22CDA367BB3C2F94D2CD90EF7B'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'test'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got a traffic ticket yesterday - I did a 'rolling stop' at a stop sign.  I was guilty.  I deserved the ticket.  But I was completly unprepared for what happened when I went to pay at the court house....'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the original fine was for $55(US).  I was made to pay $110 because, and get this, my crime was "racially motivated" and there for was subject to the 'hate crime' rules that automatically DOUBLE the penalty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rational was that I was a white guy driving in a predominantly black neighborhood.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which country is this in'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did not pay the fine, and intend to sit through a days worth of court proceeding just to make someone from the bench tell me - with a straight face - that I did not stop because there were black people around.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did find out that I was the 6th or 7th person that had been charged thusly, and it was something they were 'trying out''
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the end, it is probobly just a revenue generator, using the law in a crative manner to get bigger fines from people who can presumably afford to pay them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wait. A hate crime because you rolled through a stop sign in a black neighborhood? '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What town and state did this happen in, Vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... also, the state attorny's office had never heard about such a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state was alabama - middling size city in the south of the state'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't think it will stick.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's too far of a stretch'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hey!... if they can squeeze someone for a few extra dollars, maybe they can get some new radios for the cruisers or something.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Countersue for racial discrimination based on the officer's or judge's presumption that because you're white you were discriminating against blacks. The whole thing is too far fetched.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so in that extremely corrupt jurisdiuction, any misdemeanor by a white in a black community is automatically a race-hate crime, even though they did not prove intent (but false accuse assumed intent, without proof)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''intent' is a pretty important word, and what I intend to hang my defense on.  Like I said... it's a huge stretch, and I don't expect it to stick... if it DOES stick, expect to hear about it on the Fox morning news =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news, folks?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Have to say, Tiger, that think you may have been mistaken when you said a couple weeks ago that there was no evidence indicating that it was the Syrian government who gassed those people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i said no evidence, i certainly meant no conclusive evidence, and unless something has changed, i still stand by that'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who cares about how syrians fight eachother'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont see us going after the russians because they gassed that stadium a while back'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'We should care. This world really is global now. Nothing remains contained.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also just as important, elchanan, even had he admitted he did it, so what? still not our business'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'great piss them off then maybe they decide to bring those chemical weapons here'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The world is no more global than it's always been, stuff just travels quicker now'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly doesn't give you justification to go around dominating other cultures and bombing the shit out of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love how countiers like to strong arm others into their way of being '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just such a waste of resources'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you must have our system of (corrupt) government and allow us to plunder your natural resources and exploit your peope!, or, you must worship our imaginary man in the sky and obey our...err... his doctrine and rules!'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but hey i guess dropping bombs and then having to make more helps with jobs'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those two are largely identical, btw, "The Corporate Fascist West" and the Taliban basically doing the same things'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think this might be cover for the fact that inflation is already rising, and interest rates will have to rise?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'which is a worse way to die getting hit by nerve gas and dyeing in 15 seconds or getting trapped in a bombed build and having it take a day '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't spose really there's any difference, you're dead'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea true well atleast with bombs people will have more work to do rebuilding'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer for there to be no bombs or chemical weapons, but unfortunately the west has already stuck their unwanted oar in Syria and precipitated the civil war'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do now is leave it the fuck alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(since you dislike the Monarchy, you are not permitted to use the royal "we")'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dislike the institution, not the people'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the war machine or the money making  machine no diff pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(since you are not royalty and since you disagree with the opinions and actions of the (British) Monarchy and since your opinions are unsubstantiated and likely defective, you are not worthy to use the royal "we")'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'obama should be impeached if he goes ahead with that strike'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can use whatever i like thanks, since my opinions are my own and therefore don't require substantiation, are not defective, and i object to people believing they have a divine right to rule over me'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should be, but he won't be, and he's even been given a get out of jail free card by the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what you you mean about the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not been watching the news? They basically grabbed on a throw-away line that fuckwit Kerry said and basically bought a deal whereby Assad hands his chemical weapons stocks over to the UN in return for not being bombed'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'humm'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until G W Bush is impeached / convicted / castigated for lies and warmongering, Barack Obama is likely going to use a similar (republican) licence (with impunity)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides, USAmericans like to vote for warmongering leaders  (which is the reason that some republicans are vocal against the USA attacking Syria -- the republicans don't want the Democrats to get the popularity vote)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many people in the us get drugged every year without their consent'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many people in the us get drugged every year without their consentl'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ach oopse'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(that is likely the actual reason that Rush Limbaugh is against attacking Syria)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth is this about? http://tinyurl.com/np55m44'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are enough social workers who are convinced that every parent is abusive that every now and then those things happen'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they should certainly lose the lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would certainly think that that issue will be over turned'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unfortunatly, nothing will be done to prevent the same scenario from playing out a dozen times a day for the foreseeable future'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'child services, thankfully, are overwhelmed with legitimate cases that few offices have the time or resources to engage in that sort of foolery'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is 'foolery' a word?  I dunno'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'malarky is, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my children have not had several vaccines... most notably, the one that prevents overian cancer in young girls'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has a .04% sterility rate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'young girls con't get ovarian cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'don't *'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate cervical cancer, then'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not in young girls, but I know what you mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the vaccine is for an STD that causes cervical cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'specifically, papillomavirus'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... I give some creedence to the belief that over-vaccination is a possible cause of the exploding autism rates in the country'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'been disproved'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hasn't... very difficult to prove a negative'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Wakefield was discredited'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"discredited" is putting it lightly'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more like "shown to be an absolute scumbag"'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funding and backing for the studies that claim to discredit the notion come from major pharmaceuticals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'UK government actually'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which all have a very high interest in keeping those needle sticking babies'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no they don't - it's expensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, and all the crimes he got charged with must've been perpetuated by the pharmacutical companies, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and wakefield focused only on the MMR vacine'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are plenty of other pediatritians from all parts of the world who cast doubt on the neccessity, and point to possible dangers of over vaccination'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate vost:  "'no they don't - it's expensive'"  you don't think that pharmaceutical companies have an interest in ensuring a maximum number of vaccinations?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'conspirators usually believe pharmacuticals want sick people, not healthy ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'read the preceding two statements'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't buy into the conspiracs like "there's a cure for cancer, but it's more profitable to treat the symptoms"... but I also believe that the pharmaceutical companies are interested in profit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IC... I was refering to the pharmaceutical companies having an interest in 'sticking babies with needle'... not the UK government'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a rule, our children didn't get any vaccines that did not target a leathal, or permently debilitating ailment.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a world of difference between disproving a conclusion and discrediting an entire line on enquiry'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is certainly plenty of evidence to show that we are over-vaccinated, that many vaccines are not as effective as alternative treatments, and evidence that some vaccines, especially old vaccines used in the 1950s,60s, and 70s were harmful'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pharmaceutical companies are so interested in profit that they lobby doctors to prescribe their products when they are not required'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trade agreement being agreed behind closed doors by the Obama regime and a number of other countries would outlaw generic drug products in favour of branded, more expensive versions'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://xkcd.com/1217/'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drug companies regularly use inadequate testing and massage efficacy results'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like everything else, you need to put it through bias filters and do your own research'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'butthinkinghurtsohlookthere'ssomecelebritynews'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, look at miley cyrus's fugly body'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kaltas is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that name keeps popping up recently, he's some sort of actor?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or she..'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hannah montana, pimping the nations 10yr old girls'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the amusing thing is even people who know me come and talk about whatever "news" they have been reading, when I have told them I ignore almost everything and only check mainstream news to see what people believe is going on :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find with our national news services (bbc) that you get splatters of truth creeping out, but only a few days after they've headlined with the propaganda bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the truth rarely gets the traction'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd been in the UK during the 2012 US election, you'd think there was only one candidate, it was hilarious'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC is an authoritarian organisation - it's a parasite, it is funded entirely via taxation'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes to figure it'll support big government'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't really follow local election news either, 80-90% of the coverage is  "who is winning this week" instead of "is policy a or b better for the country in the long run", and the rest seems to be half-hearted scandals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and if you have a debate, it's "did x or y win the debate", still not about good/bad policies'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, goes with the territory of maintaining the illusion of choice'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm really pissed off about the huge hikes in house prices here as a result of imcompetent government policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'blind people packing heat in public'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note sure I can 'see' the sense behind that'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just now it's reported that Syria accepts Russian proposal to turn over chemical weapons. That's the exact wording on the screen'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'hehe nice, wonder who they bought them from :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'everyone, It is said that a lot of the base chemicals are common pesticides, and industrial chems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Syria isn't exactly an undeveloped nation. They could probably make their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the delivery mechanisms are probably just as important though'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russia and syria would never have hatched that plan if they wern't absolutly in terror of President Obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was sarcasm, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... it's a win-win for the syrians and the russians....   syria gets to (for all intents and purposes) retain their chemical capability, while russia get's to appear to the world as a level headed, moderate peace-maker....'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and once again we the US looks like asses'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like the kid who calls your mama a whore, then says "Just kidding" right befor you pop his head open with a baseball bat.... if you hit him anyway, you're the bad guy who can't control your temper... if you don't hit him, the other guy still gets to talk smack about you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Just as parents have stopped imposing dicipline on their children, and indeed, society demands that you not do so, so it is with the world community.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in a typical US classroom, the majority of children are mouthy, irrevernt, and disrespectful...  and the teachers are powerless to defend against it'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, we 'empowered' our children........'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '40 years ago, when I went to a family gathering with my parents, the children were kept outside untill the adults had all been thru the food line... then, the children got to come in, get their food, and go back out.  TODAY, the parents (and grandparents) all hustle about getting plates prepared for the royal children, and THEN the rest of the adults eat.  All the way backwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yep, but there were probably fewer adults and more children 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and you probably got cuffed and blamed for wrong doings, not have your parents looking who they can blame for your mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the world has changed -- we value them more because we see less of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I take my family to a gather ing now, my children know well enough to stand back until the adults (especially the elderly) have all gotten their plates.  I catch A LOT of crap for that from the other parents, and even their grand parents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Swalec:  I'm not sure I can go along with the "see them less" argument - that, if it exists, is a self imposed issue.  When I was a child, many parents had to travel for work, or spent 12-14 hours a day just to put food on the table.  Today, so many parents are home on their asses, and jobs are much more centralized.  If people don't see their children, it's because the children are allowed to run feral.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and most people, though they may hold a conservative view on world affairs, want to be views as "the cool parent" at home, and by their peers.  They want to be seen as egaletaria and generous.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sentiments that invariably lead to a rotten child.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so it is with the world stage today - the world at large is unwilling to meter out discipline, and so 'childish' states like syria run unchecked, breaking things, and doing what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the teenage bully (US) is trying to use violence to solve problems, which never works'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is certainly not the teenage bully... and sometimes the child needs a good paddling. '
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but countries like sweden wouldn't understand paddling.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Either it's the bully or one of the kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden was the bully in the 1600s, now I guess we are the uncle watching the action'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and therefor ought not to have a voice either way'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's the kids view.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That new one world trade cender in NYC is a pretty cool building....it was designed to withstand a jetliner impact'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it cost a cool $4 billion to build.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 200 foot concrete base of the building is bomb proof.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike the original wtc buildings, which had a steel core wrapped with sheetrock, this new building has a steel core wrapped in 6 feet of high density concrete and then fire resistent foam, then sheetrock.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inside the steel and conrete core are the staircases, and they are 50% larger compared to the old wtc buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do have a problem with the 9/11 wtc museum in the basement of the wtc plaza costing $35 per person to visit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just about anyone that's got anything to do with 9/11 can get the price waived.... any military(active or retired), any manner of first responder, anyone who has ever had to be evaulated for trauma relating to the events of 9/11...  pretty much - if you put your hand to you mouth and gasped when you first saw the news, you can get a free pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seniors, students, handocaped... all can get free passes'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'german and swedish tourists have to pay triple, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the french are banned from going.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'f r e e d o m  f r i e s !!'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, starburst candies are #17 on the top candy list......'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even with SUV and crossover utility vehicles sales surging, the average fuel efficiency of new vehicles sold in August set a new high for the U.S., according to a new report. Overall, the mileage for new cars and trucks averaged 24.9 MPG'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... the french can get in for regular price.  At least they'll launch a missile when they feel like it.  The swedes have absolutly zero investment in freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '24.9 lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another day, another 10k mouths to feed, another day we all get poorer, have our living standards reduced,  and have our aspirations further away'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Sharon Osbourne is back on the X-Factor'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the interests of keep society wholesome and safe, socialism should have a similar social stigma attached to it as paedophilia and murdering kittens'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'You cannot murder an animal'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with supporters having the heads repeatedly struck with a rusty shovel until they realise that socialism as an ideology is fine right up  to the point at which you make it a governmental ideology and therefore are making it forced across a population. They need to realise at that point it's essentially slavery'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialists can murder animals, they can also murder Syrians too'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-f portal'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2007 climate change scientists were predicting that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and of course they were right? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so right that the summer ice levels in the arctic are the highest they've been for years'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'did you mean "believers" or "scientists", btw?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll use scientists within sarcastic quote marks'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'someone could do a research of how the successful predictors gain fame and then fail'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'thicker, thinner, more, less, colder, warmer, wetter, drier, it's all caused by human co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean - you predict something crazy and get famous. just by accident. then you go, milk the same cow.. like peter shiff.. something. and many others'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like the mystical weather men here - there are some tries every year. and a few hit the jackpot and get quoted next year:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happy police state day, everybody!'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh Bloomberg publishes data analysis that show very strong evidence that the 4 biggest banks involved in the FOREX markets are gaming the system every month end benefitting billions of dollars at pension investors expense'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'The darknet... good or bad'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, DRD'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'hmm...'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is good or bad is the uses people put it to'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true of the Internet, though it's net effect has been corrosive'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'heh, but the existence of it is clearly not for the use of good, but then again there are people that can make changes for the good imo :/'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Internet was corrupted by mass access, and now is being entirely degraded by government/big business'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'I couldn't agree more :('
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people close to the physical market say that dodgy dealings by central banks will ultimately lead to a breakdown in the physical gold market, which will lead to a run'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did I imagine it, or did Colorado launch recall proceedings on two democrat senators who were pro-gun controls then promptly oust them in favour of 2 republicans?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in state level government, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aww, well still, it's a good example of what people have to do, though picking a good candidate to replace them is key'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've long been in favor of post-elected-office evaluations with severe consequences for poor preformance.  "fail to make good on 50% of your campaign promises, and go to jail for 1 year per broken promise"'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'so 95% go to jail for 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably a bit harsh, however it should be common practice to measure them up to their promises, and recall proceedings should be used'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'trouble with recalls is that "I didn't have time to make good on my promises", and "knee jerk recalls" would be common.  I say once you elect a person, your stuck with him for the term.  But then you should have the option ot punish liars'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this shows some of the problems with allowing pharma corps to lobby government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xv_IaLHwgAQ'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe a recall after half their term then, and only 1 possible unless felonies committed'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most US politicians seek multiple terms, and most terms are fairly short.  Two years for representatives....  I think that, baring a fellony, or GROSS breach of trust, a politician should have the benifit of his entire elected term to try and make good on the platform which got him elected... but knowing VERY WELL that there was a piper to pay at the end of his term.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'otherwise, the hudled masses being somewhat fickle, and pretty dumb to boot, would be seeking 'justice' at the first sneeze.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians should live in fear of the people... but they should not feel compelled to vote for every entitlement bill that comes up for a vote lest they be recalled and stoned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then replace the jail term with a firing squad'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Muslim Brotherhood supporters are going around in gangs in Egypt charging Christians protection money'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then misinterpreting the quran in order to justify it'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'help start ww3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pwVHQ'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'anyone have an item that has inside job in the name?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, no'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how it feels to be a US president who owes his political future to the Russian president'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Karl Marx for president, 2016! Good night and enjoy what remains of your National Police State Day'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a weird world when putin is the voice of reason in world politics...'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'you are putin me on?'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'Should I have friends :/'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody BBC'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in addition to being shit, I just had to shout at them for 'moderating' a post on a debate about Syria today'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and btw, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/emails-ois-lerner-specifically-targeted-tea-party/'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuckin liars'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we had a tree expert come check out the pecan trees on the ranch, and he said they were about 180 years old....1830s....That is amazing, and they still produce about 250 lbs of pecans each tree per year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no drought in boulder'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be global warming, everyone go live in a mud hut and give your worldly goods to Al Gore'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Feds are now going to monitor your credit card transactions..... just to keep you safe, of course'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm feeling safer alrady'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use cash :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i already do for everything except online'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Government Seeking Inclusion of Social and Behavioral Data in Health Records"'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see where this is headed....'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'yes, I see your file will include a notation on paranoia '
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i won't have a file, since i'm not an American'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already keep such records in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't feel terribly threatened by them since even the doctors have difficulty accessing them'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being angry about the state of things != paranoia, btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'why are you angry if your not an american?'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America isn't the only country which is going down the tube, you realise'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'I do, but I wonder why the only things I've seen you talk abut on debate channel involve America's problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two countries are essentially run by the same people, and suffer similar problems. Quite often the problems are shared or linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such is the nature of globalism'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA was also once my choice of bug-out countries'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I guess you have since concuded that if you go down the tubes, we won't be much better :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both going down the tubes'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other people might call it "retire to", or "move to in case of trouble"'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ask the 100,000's of eastern europeans, spanish and polish who came here after economic schisms in their own countries if they moved because they were paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i wanted to relocate to the USA for the availability of land, but i wouldn't choose to do so right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(even if i could, which i can't)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Pittsburgh you cannot park your own car on your own driveway if it is within 30ft of the road'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thats a little strange.  One town around here won't let you park you car on grass, including your yard.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the danger of local ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for local democracy, but i don't think US city ordnances have anything to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course in the UK they don't need such ordnances, nobody can afford a house'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in theory they should be the purest democracy.  For some reason people want to control their neighbors yard.  How short they mow their grass, wheter or not they can hang clothes on a clothesline.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'because all of that affects neighborhood property values'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'your house may be nice, with a well manicured lawn, but if your neighbor has a lawn three feet high with junk cars all over it, the value of your house plummets'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we manage such things without micromanagement ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'for some reason they never outlaw pouring chemicals on your lawn.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'it depends on the chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it mostly doesn't come up, people can't afford multiple cars and don't have lawns to put junk cars on'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NOTICE: Toilet cameras are posted in compliance with DHS code 14.547-C.  Your safety is our number one concern.  Disabling or damaging the camera is a federal crime and punishable by a $7,500 fine or imprisonment of 6 months.  For questions, please call the NSA phone number 1-301-688-6524.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Am I the only one that is willing to risk my safety slightly for improved privacy?'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'privacy is a myth in the computer age.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 's/computer age/police state/'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'test'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ranrr's question earlier:  no, you're not the only person willing to risk your safety for improved privacy'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to stop whining about flooding....that is how nature recharges aquifers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colorado gets a little rain, and people whine about it.....1.8 inches in 30min, that is a small rainstorm here in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Oh well, at least two of the gun grabbing senators got recalled.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colorado should raise its gas tax to pay for all those bridges and roads it now needs to fix because of the rain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas we build roads specifically so that they will flood and drain into the bayous much easier.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roads last much longer that way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Because roads can only exist with taxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aliens are going capture voyager and pinpoint where it came from.....and invade earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does Colorado have bayou?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up and coming Press "Shield" Laws will legalise the abridgement of the first ammendment by only protecting corporate media'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw Obama on ABC this morning, what a load of bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funniest was when he described the Syria situation as being "Not about US vs Russia"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Summers withdraws from race to be named Fed Chairman'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defence consultants study finds nearly half of syrian rebels are hardline islamic jihadi's, in contradiction to both the president and John Kerry's public assertions'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The problem I have with the Internet is that its anonymous." - a quote from former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, room temp shelf stable for 7 years ranch dressing composite......who has the celery ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'culinary history wasn't top on my list of concerns tonight'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet the queen has gallons of it in a back pantry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention about 1000 cans of spam, considering spam helped win WWII'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spam is an essential part of any long term emergency food storage, along with HP sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hp sauce ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the british version of A1 steak sauce ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar in the sense that it's a condiment, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brits shouldnt buy hp sauce from heinz.....when they bought the brand they closed down the british factory and moved it to the netherlands.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are the 'progressives' that deride preppers who live in the Boulder area of Colorado getting on now? Preppers over there should be saying "In your face, bitch!" ...provided they haven't drowned or have their houses and stashes floating off'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz Tomato Suace tastes different these days - worse than before'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is 'before'?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several years ago at least'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was changed recently here to remove most of the poisons so they could push it as a healthy product with no additives, haven't noticed any other change'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only an idiot would buy heinz tomato sauce when you can buy a store brand that came from the same factory distributor and costs 25% less.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're different here, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Heinz puts too much sugar in their tomato sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not in the US, most store brands are as good or better than name brands, otherwise no one would buy them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'store brands are 50% of the market now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't say necessarily that store brands aren't as good, just that they're not evitably from the same factory - i know that specifically to be the case here for Tomato sauce as I have a family member who can only eat Heinz since it contains no onion which she is allergic to'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas all the store brands ketchup have onion powder in them'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz tomato sauce is: Tomato paste, liquid sugar, white vinegar, salt, onion powder, spices'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your american recipe might be, ours is not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most foods are created by huge factories in the US that produce bottled, packaged or whatever else for many big food companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so all the private label store brands also come from those huge factories.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we all know how it works, rizzer :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz tomato sauce seems to cause indigestion because of the excess sugar - suspect allergen and or bacterial contamination which feeds on the sugar'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you blew up a food factory in the US..chances are you would stop production for at least a dozen major food companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather have real sugar instead of hfcs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no hfcs in UK ketchup'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hunts makes real sugar ketchup here....and it costs less than hfcs heinz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sobeys "Compliments" products are often worse than store brands in causing health difficulties, as though they use factory rejects or spoiled produce or monsanto gmo crap'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sobeys "Compliments" beans are near indigestible (like undercooked or gmo indigestible)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pinto beans are the best'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've heard customers state that they prefer name-brand beans because at least the beans are fully cooked and mushy, and not undercooked like generic brands'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of making some refried beans today for tacos.....going to use some of the dehydrated ground beef and chicken I made 6 months ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best off growing/cooking your own'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm more immediately concerned about proposed new "Media Shield" laws that will remove the first ammendment from anyone not contracted to government controlled media (essentially)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should make a few quarts of hamburger or chicken rocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but cooking the Sobeys Compliments canned beans until they are mushy yet causes a slight indigestion -- the natural loose raw beans are yet okay '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '36 oz of hamburger becomes 11 oz of rocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they rehydrate quite well for cooking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the danger in all these sorts of laws is where it gives governments a grey area of definition to work with'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey nuts, when are you going to evolve into one of those guys that live alone, let their hair grow long, wear no clothes and throw dried poop at people when they walk by ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean a chimpanzee?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I just found out today that all of the vaccines mandated for school participation are officially classified as "unavoidably unsafe".'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suspect that Sobeys knew of the "indigestion problem" because the six bean medley cans were double date-code stamped'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, chimpanzee :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, Rizzer, the two generations that came before me ensured that people who work full time like me would never be able to afford a home to live alone in'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let alone throwing anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could always become a perm hiker....live in a tent, use wifi, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be run over within days'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where would you camp?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Nonsense, plenty of them where I live. Hardly ever see a dead one'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to live in a tent in the UK, be my guest'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rozzers and elite here don't like hobos in tents, they get sarcastic and set the baillifs on them, as happened outside Westminster Cathedral with the anti-banker protests'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is the naked hiker still out and about ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he's in prison'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they let him out again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only celebrities are allowed to bare their bits'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy has been arrested like 2 dozen times and let out again, since he isnt hurting anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he just refuses to let the govt tell him what to do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll probably pull some paedophile charge on him and lock him up for good'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would have to change the laws in the UK then, and then it would be illegal for magazines to show boobs in the newspapers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they have to change them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the same law.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'here in the US, we are so anal about everything, that everything is illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, you're about the same as here, some things more, some things less and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say that maybe there are less rules here, but regardless, the population is considerably more constrained'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some might call that "more civilised", i'd call it "more enslaved"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I blame the puritans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have adopted the american indian lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dissatisfied colored immigrants are not as constrained'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame the MIC and blame yourselves for not listening to Eisenhower'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'master in charge ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit tacos are good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military industrial complex, rizzer, you should know that one by now'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 more weeks and I can butcher 16 more rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I stopped paying attention after I stopped paying attention.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have decided to retire from the american lunacy, and focus on having fun.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alright for you, you can afford to'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I spend less money now then I did before.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grow most of my own food now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to sell this house and move farther from houston.....12 miles is too close.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be zade's fault, he pushes the kinda of communist propaganda that leads to huge governments that set up croney monopolies and policies that lead to the kinda of chronic housing shortages that we have here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new property is 47 miles from houston, and on a huge lake, and has 150 acres.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'd be looking at around $5,000,000 here then'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think we paid about $7000 for it 15 years ago....it was a county tax sale.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're looking at around $300,000 here for a 1/2 acre building plot'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an alternate opinion is:  Tigernuts pushes socialism for the rich but not the poor, as though Tigernuts is a red capitalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts doesn't push socialism period'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's pushing me first'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the house I am currently on is 1/2 an acre, and cost $18,000 for the lot.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you do the maths, $300,000 for a building plot, and the UK median salary will get you a mortgage of about $180,000'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will sell it and the house for about $140,000 including the upgrades.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average age of first time buyers here is now 37'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my new cabin will be about half the size of this house, but lots more room for greenhouses, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Communism is described as "red capitalism", so Tigernuts is a "communist" where the red capitalistic commiczars get all the riches, and the poor get poverty'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will be able to go fishing on the trinity river, and catch catfish or perch for dinner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market libertarian, zade, feel free to describe yourself if you like'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since you took the bait'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to have more chickens, some turkeys and ducks....more rabbits, 10 cattle, some goats, and my 5 donkies back....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 dogs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and armed raids by the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is a socialist anticommunist and thus likely anti-Tigernuts 
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be a socialist anticommunist since they're almost the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of squirrel, fox, coyotes, deer and other critters on the land.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, garlic fried squirrel'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bottom half of squirrel is the best.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that say they believe in "free market" actually want protection for their extortionate thievery oppression and exploitation of those that are not advantaged'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some might'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey! I represent those words!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope I catch a catfish next week....put out 3 floaters.....would love some deep fried catfish'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cant go catfish noodling in the trinity though....damn alligators!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many places outlaw noodling anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i could go for some cats too'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free markets does not mean entirely unregulated though'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas makes it hard to hunt gators also.....stupid laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free market libertarians" want "socialist protection of the rich" by armed forces and police state supplied from the enslaved populace, but do not want to pay extra taxes for supplying socialistic benefits to the populace upon which they exploit and depend and defraud (by claiming sinecure and first come first served) '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are not allowed to shoot an unhooked gator, and you cant snag hook a gator'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a clearly misinterpreted definition'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has to be a clean caught gator on a baited line tied to a tree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'snagging tends to be blanket-illegal, Tiger.  I doubt it's misinterpreted.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if Tigernuts were far poorer and far more disabled and forced to subsist on welfare, maybe a different opinion 'd come from Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'armed forces should exist solely to protect their countrymen from the aggression of foreign invaders'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police force should exist to keep the peace and protect people and their property from the misdeeds of others'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'national guard should only defend the states that are they from.....shouldnt be sending them overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing in those two definitions has anything to do with class, or levels of wealth'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbits are damn fine eating though......fried rabbit, corn on the cob, dutch oven biscuits, mashed potatoes and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'steamed carrots'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rabbits are good in pies'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/georgia-healthcare-company-lay-over-100-because-obamacare_754008.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when new mineral and oil resources are discovered, the proper recipient of those riches is supposed to be the general populace and the state, not a select few (politician-bribing) individuals'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully they will lay everyone off and go out of business, then we can replace them with govt healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the recipient of those riches is the land owner, the state benefits through taxes levied on those people'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the benefit to society more widely is the supply of oil and minerals'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US doesn't have a healthcare system, period.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can''
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though in the UK, neither a company nor a person owns the mineral or oil rights, regardless of whether they own the land or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't even sue Big Pharma for faulty vaccines, or even for inaccurate claims about them (ie, "vaccines don't cause autism")'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the landowner only gets about 17.5% of any resources of oil and gas from the owned land.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that, Hans, you don't sue Big Pharma for damages, you sue the government and the taxpayer picks up the tab on the pharma behalf'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg royalty payment in Texas is about 12 to 17.5% of market price - expenses to extract'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we have the Canary Party to watch out for our interests...'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'all those oil billionaires are not supposed to exist, -- those running the companies are supposed to be paid merely a decent salary (but not too high a salary) (no big bonuses, no stock options) -- the goverment is supposed to earn the majority of oil profits from natural resources, and the monies used to provide socialist amenities and benefits to the general populace'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposed to says whom and why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add taxes to it, and the oil and gas companies make about 20% on a barrel of oil produced, and about half that on gas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a better world, the populace does not require (and refuses ) to protect the rich which exploit them and steal all the profits from the natural resources (as in the current captalistic (not-so) free market)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if socialism was the right way, then i'd be able to come and rape your wife, take your car and drive off, after all, they both belong to me too'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please, in the current world, the govt takes a huge part of the natural resources on private lands via taxes and fees for the common good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't for the common good, it's for bankers personal wealth'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is energy companies that come up with the technology to even get at those resources, not govt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is advocating rape in a socialist state -- indicating that Tigernuts is deranged and immoral'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas for example is making an additional $5 billion this year because of an increase of oil production of 1 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm advocating rape, you're adovocating theft and slavery'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a socialist society which i'm not advocating'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil going up to $130 a barrel would add another $2 billion to the TExas coffers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'personal property is owned by individuals in a socialistic state, but not to the extreme greedy extent as in an exploitive capitalistic (not so) free market '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no it's not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism is a flawed example of the result of the corrupted ideology of free markets in the same way communism is a flawed example of the result of the corrupted ideology of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'basically, Tigernuts is threatening to encourage and commit when a socialist state arrives -- but rape is crime against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably you cannot have a totally pure system that functions, it has to incorporate some elements of each to survive'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone could have invested $1000 in Apple in 1991, and become a millionaire today.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so rape is beyond the pale, but slavery isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can become upper middle class in the US....just rearrange your priorities and create a business.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no middle class in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just dont create a business that is going extinct like VCR repair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a properly run socialistic state, there is far less "slavery" than in the current capitalisic and or free market state (and worse regimes)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll an identical amount of slavery that takes slightly different forms'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slavery was never abolished, it just changed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear North Korea is nice at this time of year, Zade, if you want to go live in a socialist country'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it adapted to a modern world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the populace is logistically unable to create a business - the abilities and the opportunities are not there in sufficient logistical amounts '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I am in favor of raising the min wage to $10.00 per hour and tying it to inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people could create businesses here if they weren't regulated out of the park in a market place that has already been dominated by the megacorps'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to be far higher than $10 here'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, the megacorps do not like the extra competition'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, if you have a 3 bedroom house...you can rent 2 rooms out to others.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, of course not, that's why allowing governments to become centralised where they can easily be corrupted by megacorps is a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can try to regulate all you want, all it does is create black markets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the US economy and government is fucked, that's why large swathes of the UK economy and government is fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if everybody owned a three bedroom house, there'd be no renters'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys at least have an option to fix it and a legal basis to sit on'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're just grade 1 screwed in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I deal mostly in cash now, pay cash to people working for me, etc, barter for stuff.....federal regulations be damned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love how lousiana tried to get rid of the secondary market by banning....so the secondary market decided to accept cash only or barter, and kept on going.....credit and debit, plus the state sales tax revenue were the losers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a secondary market?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the used market.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, nogs'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere is trying that. the biggest threat will be the removal of cash'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back before the federal reserve, each state had its own US currency.....if they tried to ban cash currency here, that would happen again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each bank had its own 'currency''
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, no, it wouldn't, because your states are powerless and feeble pussies that wouldn't say 'boo' to the feds'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it was backed by gold and silver.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the states are crawling with paramilitaries under fed control'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't have a hope in hells chance'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have to add platinum and palladium to that in the future though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Rizgoth) some republicans are almost saying: "A few may become rich if they (whatever)"  but this does not extrapolate to "If everybody was rich, then they'd be rich" - since the missing steps as to how *everybody* becomes rich are absent (and logistically unlikely in a market system where a few grab all and lock down all the riches)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever system you take up, societies will always collapse, it's the cyclical nature of things'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs are wonderful, everyone should have a dog or two.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however socialism will always bring with it chains through authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current Patent system is also corrupt, when "obvious inventions" are patented on a first-come first-served basis'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments tinkering with hybrid systems like the UK and US will suffer the problems of both'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'power is an illusion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong - two world wars were not an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if power were an illusion, your computer device wouldn't be working'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And there will always be someone willing to take it away from you when you step out of line.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when something powerful is coming to kill you, that is not an illusion"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well patently that's untrue'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else everyone wouldn't be getting screwed'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people get screwed because they are wired that way......poor people rarely become rich unless they realize that they are just rich people in poor persons clothes temporarily.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg rich person tried to become rich many many times, until they found a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg poor person doesnt even try.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or until they stole it through corrupt practices in public office or from a position of power'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'life gets in the way of poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of rich people who got there through hard work is smaller than the number of rich people who got their through fraud'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of rich people who got there through hard work is almost certainly smaller than the number of rich people who got there by just happening to be in the right place at the right time'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you keep trying, odds are sometime will be the right time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt like winning the lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it actually takes working to do something.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people have talents that they are not even aware of, but they keep allowing life to prevent them from doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those people become lower and middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ie working for someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no lower and middle classes, there's just the elite and everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (you lied), North Korea is not a socialist country'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can keep telling yourself that, even though it isnt true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have been true once, it isn't true now'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was poor, and then middle class, and now I am upper middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can pretend that if it makes you happy, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and you seek to distract your "conscience" by rejoicing in the stated murder of animals)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and zade, then come to the UK, we're socialist'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'freedom of thought and freedom of speech is greater here in Canada '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really isn't, but there you go'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes the UK "thought-police"
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spose you could go to Sweden for your socialism, but then you implied you liked your freedoms, so that wouldn't work for you'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers English-speaking countries
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you're screwed and probably in the free-est place you can be'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'including America?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is not the free-speech even with the 1st ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately after ruining your banking system, you sent that little parasite CArney over here'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after he'd ruined your banking system, i'm not implying you did'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA was and is often extremely oppressive against differing attitudes - which is why 1st ammendment was added to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at how the authorities in the USA misapply the law oppressively'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is ignored, still, they won't have to worry, journalism is in the process of being eviscerated by the senate'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon they'll only have government propanda to listen, as opposed to being able to avoid it by avoiding MSNBC, CNN, and ABC'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the "Salem witch trials" before or after the 1st ammendment was added'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like slavery, was probably after'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Salem occurred before the Revolutionary War.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1878'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and 1693'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what has Salem got to do with socialism, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saw a couple people on the side of the road selling nfl jersies......for about $80 each, the guy also had rugs, and other things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jerseys even'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they run their own business, and make decent money, and no employees.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have been arrested in the UK, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even more people selling fruit from mexico and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(perhaps Salem is an example of the oppressive attitudes that yet afflict the USA) '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a nice 20 lb watermelon from a hispanic guy...had his wife and daughter with him.....paid $6 for the watermelon.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'affects everywhere, zade'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is also very much something that occurs under authoritarian regimes, whether that's Obama's, Karl Marx, or George Bush'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love the shrimp guys....they buy freezer full of shrimp off the dock at the gulf of mexico and then come up here and sell em for $20 for 4 lbs.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'notice that nonwhite male africans are usually corrupt incompetent and or oppressive rulers in Africa -- then look at what the Barack Obama administration is attempting - (xchan)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to see more people selling stuff on the side of the road......turn the roads into long farmers markets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just the nature of the continent struggling to bridge the gap between tribalism and states with arbitrary boundaries placed on the map by imperialist masters of old'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you to it, of course in zade's world you couldn't have people sellign extra wares by the roadside because it doesn't belong to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the UK it'd just be illegal for other reasons'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is too big to enforce things like that, look how well the war on drugs has gone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the (previously) white-ruled USA seems okay with how the state boundaries were drawn - the whites are not blaming their difficulties on how the maps were drawn -- (so that african lame excuse won't fly)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Zade's world, the folk 'd not be reduced to selling shoddy overpriced (stolen?) goods at the side of the road, as there be plenty of revenues from the resources (and no resource billionaires)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bite me, most people who sell on the side of the road are hard working people who want to own their business and not be told by an overbearing govt what to do, where to shit, and how to take a shit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, what is the quality-control and return-policy on roadside sales'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buyer beware,if you are stupid enough to buy a non working ipad, that is your own fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, not referring to people who sell electronics....I would never buy electronics from someone on the side of the road, but fruit and veggies, hell yeah, and perhaps seafood if I know them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as though Rizgoth is going to spend an hour checking every ipod function before buying a roadside ipod '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit is tasty'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'obama is Sooooooo fulll of shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'envious, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried up those squirrels, and never looked back....fried squirrel is badass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently obamacare will require lots of personal questions regarding your sexual habits to be on file accessable by all and sundry'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better hide the donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no insurance for you!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best comment i heard on the DC shooter - "this guy is a terrible shot, must be a democrat"'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'untrue!!!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, so as it stands now, one shooter dead, two evidently still on the loose. '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet they end up being teenagers drugged up on spice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I kind of doubt that, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where is being shot up'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we were bored and wanted to shoot things, and couldnt find any rabbits or squirrels to hunt......'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Navy Yard in DC, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like those idiots that killed that australian athlete guy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Unfortunately, yes. Really.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the total death tally at the Navy yard'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am usually against the death penalty, but sometimes I lean too it in instances like this'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '12 dead. Not sure if that includes the one dead shooter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was there a secret NSA office there ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'How would we know? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an inside job, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, seems nowadays, everyone knows...which is what scares the NSA :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, the NSA has been mentioned more in the last month then in the previous 70 years combined. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that HAS to scare the NSA'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'uou are kidding -- even if a secret NSA office is there in the Navy Yard, targeting that office by an outsider is a potluck event - unlikely, unless assisted by insiders'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Rizgoth getting hisd jollies off imagining that "'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You havent heard the phone clicking in the background before? :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the signs of paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go washington redskins!  never change your name!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Here's a current description that I just found. "Today, the Navy Yard includes the headquarters of Naval District Washington and is home to a naval museum. The area around the facility has been marked in recent years by significant commercial and residential revitalization."'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Riz, why could not the NSA have an agent listening right here? *click*'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know I am not NSA ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'dont care'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, right now they're reporting that it appears to have been a single shooter. Guy named Aaron Alexis, now dead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1st rule of NSA, never talk about NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the interesting nutters are long gone, except for ...'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'WAS, but now everyone else knows, makes more sense to just join the crowd so they dont suspect'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS-4sLReMSI&list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are change are fucking awesome'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, cusswords, indicative that Tigernuts does not believe the cussed crap that Tigernuts posts'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't attack the message, so attack the messenger eh, Zade? What a pro'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so: ineffective at change, and not awesome'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is using the messenger's message to adlib the messenger
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you're talking crap :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go say something useful'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sometimes the truth hurts, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i hear some, i'll evaluate and let you know'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernots, is the British monarchy of jewish descent'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, they are celtic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Prince William looks jewish'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gotta hand it to you, Tiger. If there's ever an all-star team for conspiracy theorists, I'm gonna be mighty disappointed if you aren't named captain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what conspiracy theory are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, most recently... the jewish British monarchy? Maybe conspiracy is the wrong word?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where have I mentioned that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure whether Prince Charles looks jewish -- unless Prince Charles looks like Alfred E Neuman (the ears) '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My apology. It was Zade, talking to you. My bad.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accepted'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'royal inbreeding.....it didnt really stop'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even diana was of royal blood.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Prince Charles was not the father of Prince William, how would that affect the monarchy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'havent you seen their heads?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the claim to lineage'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally don't give a flying bollock about either of them, the royal family are parasites'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diana had the recessive baldness gene that prince charles had also which was dominant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why william is also going bald.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Minnesota's personal income tax system consists of three brackets and a top rate of 7.85%. That rate ranks 9th highest among states levying an individual income tax. Minnesota's income tax collections per person were $1219 in 2010 which ranked 8th highest nationally.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not moving to minnesota.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'minnesota would be nice to live in the spring, and summer though, and keep residency in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if somebody were to prove that Prince William was oot of direct royal lineage through Charles, that may permit detractors (of the monarchy) to suggest a few things be changed'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, starting in 2013, minnesota added a new 9.85% top income tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '9.85% is too low, higher taxes on the rich are required, in every state of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have different needs to you, but an aspiration income and sales tax of 20% sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate, no exemptions, no deductions, no exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those pimping the child labour want more money for the chocolate, or is that merely a ruse by the chocolate processers'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change in western africa are causing the cocoa plants to die off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citation needed'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change killed off the scottish wine industry and caused the southwest of greenland to be deserted by the danish colonists who'd lived there for a couple hundred years'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the scottish wine industry will make a comeback in about 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, more drunkards'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'start chocolate plantations in (say) South America'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither event was co2 related, just natural changes in climate that were huge'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same goes for the extinction of the woolly mammoths'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'start chocolate plantations in (say) Texas'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least in Texas they not be using child labour'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too dry in Texas, and when it rains, it rains alot....which means fungus problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humidity is too high.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't that mean you could pick your own mushrooms?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got awfully quiet'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching breaking bad.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see how retarded anti-gun laws are? Without citizens being able to defend themselves you end up with this kind of shit: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/16/shopkeeper-fights-off-armed-robbers-shoe?CMP=twt_gu'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who needs guns for protection?  that's what government is for'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they do such a great job of protecting everyone'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I don't trust govt'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess they protect SOME of the people they lock in jail'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'government will take care of you even if you don't trust it.  That's what makes it great.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'gov't protects itself/'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'government protects you from the rich corporate profiteers that want to exploit your labor and steal your savings while destroying the environment'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're doing a shit hot job of that too, Kojiro!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what were we thinking'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, Alaska is over 2x the size of Texas and it has hardly been explored for oil, gas, coal or uranium......we need to open up the state to massive amounts of resource exploration.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'at the very least we can make it into a penal colony'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska built a big prison surrounded by bears and moose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would take someone a week to make it to a town if they escaped the prison.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be a location to lock up those that are cruel to animals'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last thing USA needs to do is lock up more people'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska only produces about 550k barrels of oil per day down the alaska pipeline.....it was 2 million barrels per day in 1988'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska production needs to double.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new technology has also added about 4 billion barrels to the prudhoe bay/kuparuk oil fields in north alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waht would you do with all that oil?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turn it into gasoline and ship it to you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you won't, because it'll cost too much in carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont have to pay your carbon taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We trade gasoline and diesel with the UK all the time......'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be no exemptions, it'll be UN mandated'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, we dont listen to the UN.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we dont even pay our UN dues. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US was tired of paying 25% of the UN costs......pay for it yourself damnit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to try to grow coffee in my greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my banana tree produced a 2 inch banana...woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'planted a 4x8 foot 14 inch deep box in the greenhouse with carrots.....woohoo....just took a handful of seeds and threw em at the dirt and covered em up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope to get tons of carrots.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'horse manure compost is good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mix the horse manure compost with the lawn cuttings, and let it sit for a few weeks, then I turn it and let it keep cooking'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er the horse manure'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have people in charge that will follow the UN insofar as it furthers their agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that includes bankrupting the oil industry'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them eat horse manure.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be us serfs'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you like horse manure ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it grows good vegetables.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll be forced to eat cake, like the frenchies had to.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even sitting in the bank, our money is being devalued at 5% a year'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'your on a rabbit diet huh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and steamed corn, biscuits, mashed potatoes and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit is yummy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'best meat I have ever had....except for B A C O N'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even better than buffalo?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'much better than buffalo'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts should come to Texas and live off the land....he could ride my donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could go boar or deer hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wanna take a deer this year'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boy did that come out wrong...'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts could ride the donkies all over the property.....walk the fence, look for holes for the cattle to escape out of.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mow the grass, and put it on the compost pile.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will turn you into a real Texan '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real Texans mount horses'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no way! we use donkies!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1600 lb cows are afraid of the horses, but they like the donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You could tend to the corn we planted......saved seed from last year from double ear stalks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto sent us a letter....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they wanted to know why we didnt order our standard purchase of monsanto corn seed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you tell them to fuck off?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be polite, don't attract attention'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i wonder what the real story will turn out to be behind this Aaron Alexis guy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who's he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy who shot a dozen folks in DC Navy Base this morning'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'former navy reservist and defence contractor'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his online presence magically disappeared, even from google time machine'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spooks know how to scrub the net.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they need to?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to make sure their cover stories are straight.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a legitimate grievance by the shooter, read about ion the internet, is likely to .. '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt the fake liberals will be all over it trying to push gun controls'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it taking place in a gun-free secure zone in the middle of a gun-free state'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fake ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well obviously, only fake liberals would call for gun control, because removing a person's ability to defend himself is hardly liberal, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but did you already download a prior "presence" from the internet so you know there was "scrub"'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a 1000 watt cfl light'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only known way to get a sunburn from a flourescent lamp.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought 3 300 watt cfl's from lowes....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna run em in my new greenhouse that I am building.....it is going to be a hot/cold room greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wood structure with polycarbonate sheets covering the walls and ceiling, with AC and heating to keep the temp stable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that 1000 watt cfl weighs 4 lbs....it is a huge light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peppers have lots of vitamin c....'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '15yr old was arrested and jailed for simulating shooting with an iphone app called "The Real Strike"'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, the Navyyard shooter, Aaron Alexis was an Obama supporter, was on SSRi's, and was motivated by the media's campaign of race baiting which made him feelike he was part of a race war'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obamacaregame/obamacare-the-board-game'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there an Obama-approved version'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even obama doesn't know what's in it'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the strapline "Being taxed out of existence has never been so much fun!"'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and just for Zade, here is a handy pictoral meme for understanding socialism: http://www.infowarsshop.com/zoomify.asp?catalogid=125&img=assets/images/socialism_front.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and here's another... http://campylobacter.memebot.com/past/2003/0407.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'broken link, dude'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Today, to account for all the U.S. dollars printed by the Federal Reserve, gold would have to be revalued at $15,000 per ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'For the past 30 years the world has used up more silver than has been mined, and today silver inventories are near all time record low levels.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Silver is a 'miracle metal'. It is second only to oil as the world's most useful commodity. Aside from being money, silver has thousands of essential industrial uses. Silver is the most electrically conductive, thermally conductive, and reflective metal on the planet that has no known substitutes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most elements are without "substitutes", since each element is unique'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'longterm, oil is not the most useful commodity in that plentiful oil may eventually run out'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US stocks rise on Bernanke's pledge to continue devaluing the dollar and further pumping up the bonds bubble'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'lol, great!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knew you'd enjoy that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeing lots of push back against feds infiltrating local state departments and harassing people carrying guns'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more they do it, the more people go on protests'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the basic American culture at play.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll lead to things coming to a head when someone gets shot'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who will blink first?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a (handwaving bullshit statistics) study shows that in the UK, Islam will be the biggest religion by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new iphone advert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oSJqBJ1TF-E'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'question for the evening, is Rhavage a plant for the feds, paid to troll libertarians?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things are boiling up in Greece again after a anti-fascist immigrant rapper was killed by a mob linked to the nazi party'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so grow out some hair before going to Greece, check'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best stay out of greece unless you're greek'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'I want to go dive the greek coast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wanted to visit the holy land, not doing that either :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a butcher a pig.....need some lard'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'whats to debate, fresh pig is good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 200 lb pig should do it.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good meat, and lard'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i get mine on friday'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you going to butcher it yourself ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to scald and dehair it, or just skin it close ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'having it done, only get half sharing the other half.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, make sure to get your half of the lard, and good organs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried pig heart is yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree, but my wife would leave me...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and i still like her.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont use lard for cooking ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i ment the organs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, ok.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still, the heart, liver and kidneys are damn good....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and we use the bacon greese a lot'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell the butcher to hide them, and then cook them in secret and surprise her!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i like heart and kidneys, havent had much liver'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'feet and snoots are better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we always have a bbq when we butcher some steers....cook up the hearts....nothing like a 6 lb cow heart.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'invite me next time'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to hate liver and onions until I had grass fed liver and fresh onions.....changed my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'fresh real food is always good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grain really messes up the livers of cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grain messes up the bowels of people, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: '<-- '
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'We all know that homegrown tomatoes beat store bought, but I was very suprised at how much difference it makes in potatoes,  I thought I wouldn't make any but I was wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'even the type of potato makes a big differance'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the amazing potato.....didnt think much of it, but I threw a dozen eyed store bought potatoes into a 9x9 raised bed with lots of fluffy compost in it....potato shoots everywhere.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it works out, those dozen potatoes will probably turn into a hundred'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is compound interest.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '1st year growing was potato storage, same amount by weight but smaller potatoes, ever since then not a bad crop.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'potatoes are one of those things I like to buy at the store.....not many gmo potatoes that are popular yet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I do like to grow corn, mostly hybrids or heirlooms.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and lots and lots of tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'check out mypatriotsupply.com for heirloom seeds....good site.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'need more ground before i can grow more...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how much do you pay the butcher to butcher your pig ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'butcher and wrap is like .99 a lbs i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'getting this pig froma  friend'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that seems kinda expensive just to butcher it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 300 lb porker would break the bank!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'its a wrap as well...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'but i am in CA...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'whats the price out there?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, we always butcher em ourselves.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use grandpas bandsaw when he isnt looking. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just pick off the big pieces :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love those cracklins though......great on salads'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why I prefer to scald and dehair, to utilize the skin.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i liked the skin, rarly get it here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i liked the skin, rarly get it here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'bah'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the skin and fat underneath it has lots of calories.....should always utilize it.....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be wasteful to not use it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am hoping to get at least 10 quarts of lard, and 3 quarts of cracklins this time....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love to add the cracklins to cornbread, or in scrambled eggs, on salads, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'your just making me hungry...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cracklins are also really good to add to sauteed greens in lard.....kale, spinach, broccoli, and mustard greens'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the best part of butchering a pig is when you shoot it and it tries to run the boston marathon in place in about 2min.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll have to take your word for it :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pig falls on its back, and just runs like the wind with its feet up in the air. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'they do run there fastest on thier backs'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol DC-area gun sales soar after Navy Yard massacre. That's the way, folks!'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is dodgy as fuck: http://benswann.com/school-teaches-students-its-constitutional-for-cops-to-confiscate-guns/'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teacher need firing'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think as a teacher rewriting the constitution to imply it means something entirely different is acceptable?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well teach 8th graders that it's acceptable to rape women'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'dont they?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it, but where do you draw the line? Should be teaching facts and critical thinking, not pumping them full of propaganda that is factually incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case clearly a politically motivated move'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'dont they?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the most worrying news of all today, imho'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'happens all the time in schools though'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'thats the true power the teachers have, rarly are they double checked.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, this teacher needs to be called out and fired'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope a petition is raised'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good advert for private schools and homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'where there is less media and oversight?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private schools have the same or better oversight, homeschooling doesn't but at least if you're going to indoctinate your kids, it's in your own culture/ideology'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree there is an issue, i dont think private and home school is the answer'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a solution, no, but it is a good advert for them'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'start teaching is a better solution, fix the system from the inside :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'removing federal involvement from schools and putting them back under local control would be a damn good start'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'locally accountable, more parental governship'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no system that large can be fixed from the inside'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'you only can fix one school at a time'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the UK bedroom tax made US news :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'is that like the old window tax?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's mischaracterised. People who receive housing benefit (jobless, disabled, and people on low incomes receive help or full payment of rent)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have more bedrooms than they need, government are chopping back the amount they receive to nudge them into moving into smaller houses'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'ah, like substidized housing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'ah, nice'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i don't disagree with it ideologically, on a purely practical level it's pointless and stupid, since there's a shortage of housing and what there is is overpriced hugely because of decades of corrupt and stupid housing policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nothing is simple'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, this is'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the tory government pandering to their target market by engaging in bashing the poor'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts runs Tormat over with a small eastern European nation.
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USPS needs to raise the price of a first class stamp by at least 10 cents....preferably 15 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and increase the cost of junk mail by 3 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and make you have to pay postage on email also?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mail is so last century'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USPS needs to expand its focus into other areas such as bill paying, financial services, and telecommunications.....and convert all the jeeps into high mpg minivans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly world saving is it, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it should become western union'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or add postal service to western union....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'western union already had postal service...'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really....they will sell stamps, and take your mail to have a postal worker pick up'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes really, but they dumped it because it's stupid to have today :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cant have 32,000 post offices around the country, even small towns with 10 people have a post office.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're about to privatise the UK postal service'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nazi government flogging off the family silver'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of towns don't have post offices, there's quite a few POs which service multiple towns'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs 90 cents to send a first class letter in the UK.....2x the cost as the US....'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, riz, but the entire country is fully covered by a next day service for that'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it is profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's also barely bigger than new jersey ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, which is why the USPS needs to raise its stamp costs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sending mail is too cheap in the US....and most of it is junk mail anyways which is the most profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not sustainable at current inflation proofing stamp costs....it needs to be at least 60 cents for a first class stamp.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'closer to the size of florida than new jersey'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker with him about your shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'includes considerable number of islands'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the postal service did more than just send mail, it could be quite profitable....that is why the UK version is profitable....higher stamp costs that actually pay the real costs, plus lots of other services.....a true 1 stop shop for things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fine, it's as big as <insert any state except Texas or Alaska>...still means that you cannot compare a business model for one country-wide infrastructure to another'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, nor am i'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no reason for the postal service to be profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '99.7% of british people are within 3 miles of a post office.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs to not be loss making'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'our company sends many small packages out with USPS and it seems to work quite well for us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing bad would happen if the postal service simply ceased to exist'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, it's only profitable now because the government bailed out the $3bn pension deficit liability it h ad'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello?  I refuse to pay $20 to send a package via ups or fedex when I can do it with usps for $6.....the package part of the usps is profitable....it is the first class mail and other things that are not.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even junk mail is profitable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'junk mail is profitable because it's automated...most regular first class isn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by law the usps is barred from raising the cost of a first class stamp more than inflation....that is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and then there's those "forever" stamps'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also, packages are likely only profitable now because the postal service no longer actually does it, fedex does'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the postal service will lose about $16 billion this year, first class mail sending is down 12% from 2012, and yet it still handles 40% of the worlds first class mail.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had a post of the BBC news website removed because i characterised Obama and Putin as leaders of their respective 'criminal gangs' that masquerade as governments. They considered the comment libellous, I think they're just being pussies'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who pays for that $16bn, rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxpayers'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then clearly all the steps you mention need to be done'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GOP are threatened to fail to raise the debt limit, you'll be lucky to have a postal service at all if that happens'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have not are'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '16bn is an absurdly large amount'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it wouldnt be crashing if first class mail sending didnt drop like a rock for the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think even $1 to send a letter in the USA is credible'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close it down, let the markets sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I send cards in the mail all the time....spending 60 cents wouldnt bother me at all, I usually put two stamps on it just to make sure it doesnt get sent back to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of mail service in the US would cause chaos.....40% of the first class mail in the world is handled by the usps.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then sort it out :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://ww1.shomertech.com/'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, wrong place'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shomer-tec.com/ your home for devices to screw up people at rallies'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress passed the spending bill that defunds obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'it will get a veto.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the government will shut down because the spending ceiling won't be increased'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about time congress showed some teeth'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and the world will end.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'check this out? http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23483119/california-college-bars-student-from-handing-out-copies-of-constitution#axzz2fSq5LtxL'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '65% of the milk consumption worldwide is from goats milk, and this popularity hasnt come about due to high profile marketing campaigns or big-budget advertisements.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goats milk is just better for you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it's easier to hold goats for small farmers'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd bet most of that goats milk is used to make cheese, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not to mention that goats keep your lawn trimmed :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of buying 6 dairy goats and a billy for my property instead of 2 dairy dexter cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the 2 main reasons cows milk is unhealthy is that a lot of dairy cows eat grain and that milk is pasteurized. Raw milk from grass fed cows is probably fine. '
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like goats better then cows anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are more interesting to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You should get a fainting goat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goats milk is naturally homogenized also.....and they love to browse on pasture.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As I've said before, I wish I was your neighbor. Raw warm goats milk is probably awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chickens arrived....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 3 feeder pigs also....they love the wallow mud pit I made them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 female pigs....still waiting for the male pig to be ready.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'lucky sob'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the male pig, I mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 150 acres to fill with food :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 9 regular cows and a bull to pay the property taxes each year and provide beef.....going to have goats, pigs, chickens, and rabbits also'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the rabbits, which will be in tractors, the rest will be free range pastured.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turned 100 of the acres into 20 acre sections with fencing, and a corral in the center.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, it seems blackberry is pretty much dead now, so I guess we are down to 3 major mobile phone OSs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '3?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'apple, android and windows'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but android has like 85% of the market now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'looks like the old windows/macos war :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except windows has about 1% of the market :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, now it's android/ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretty expected'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'platform based systems will always tend to something dominating'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the beginning when android sucked, ios had the market....but then android became a real platform, and rocketed to major market share.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, seems windows is growing quite a bit, it could compete with ios for second place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i predicted ios's fall a long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'platforms depend on having mass outreach, android had that and ios didn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet it just rankles microsoft to be the non monopoly this time......they actually have to create something that can compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's a good chance windows can overtake ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a much more healthy market than the PC market. Competition is good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pc market is too stagnant now to generate profits :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people are using xp and see no need to upgrade still'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, bill gates made sure of that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love windows7.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sure, but the only reason i get a new windows is because i change computer'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He made sure the PC market would be his or nobodys in the 90s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me too'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i see no real benefit from it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arista: 'I got to like windows7, only upgraded because my computer died.. and couldn't find one that I liked that didn't come with 8'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I never upgrade until I buy a new pc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems now it will be nobodys.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I went from winxp to win7.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thanks to him, I have to struggle _not_ to pay for a microsoft OS when I buy a new computer :('
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'buy your own computer...'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thanks to windows, there is no innovation, since there is no competition.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'build*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Intel innovates quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I mean on the software side.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'intel is always competing with amd'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amd is almost dead again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless they can pull it out of the fire again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There has been no real innovation on the desktop for 25 years. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'both intel and amd missed out on the cellphone market......they both blew it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And there probably won't be, we'll probably run the same OS on our desktop as our phones in a couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least regular folks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'desktops and phones are fundamentally different'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really, for the average user.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when it comes down to microprocessors'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't want to have a phone launcher thing on my desktop for sure'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'phones lack a keyboard and a mouse'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cell phones today are just mobile computers using microprocessors.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You're probably not the average user (nor am I)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'look at how the mass market hates windows 8'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer linux, that makes me a weird hippie.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they don't want a layout change'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'motorola whooped both intel and amd for the cel phone market, as did those other makers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still prefer a laptop over a smartphone though'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prefer laptops over the tablets also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i use smartphones for information viewing, not input'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but I think that in a couple years, your desktop/laptop will run (a modified) version of android. People want a unified experience.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think i will ever want to use it for input'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they want stuff to work together well'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that doesn't mean it has to be unified'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'furthermore i doubt if it were so, android would be the one'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'don't forget a large proportion of desktops are used for work purposes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and software written for windows will not work on android'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just legacy issues will impede any transition for decades'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, those chrome books are nice.....a full size laptop using chrome os would be nice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so if uniformity is so highly desired, it will mean that windows will dominate the smartphone market too'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but companies won't'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'security etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'most company's are not going to give their employees computers with chrome os'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there will be a full size laptop using chrome os eventually....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think that the home market will creep into android over the next years, and then businesses will follow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I will buy one...just to not buy windows os.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see windows being able to compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't like all the reliance on internet'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'businesses don't care, they just do what they want'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if windows os is the most commercially viable option, then windows os it will be'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont HAAVE to do all cloud.....a regular laptop, but using an open source os like chrome.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'chrome os has a huge issue with security'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a dummy box like the chrome book'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and a ton of software commercial companies rely on are written for windows'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said the same thing about android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there are plenty of companies already that won't upgrade from windows 98 because one piece of essential software is not compatible with xp or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but new software is being written for android as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see an android version for laptops coming.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'software drives the choice for OS'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'New software is either cloud or smartphone, not windows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'however wonderful the OS is is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'haha no'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is the great thing about open source though....those businesses using win98 need to go open source and then change the software how THEY want it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long live android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'uhhhh no.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the company doesn't write the software'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'some other company they paid wrote it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I dont care about big business anymore, they can all go jump in the ocean for all I care.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'too bad they rule the world :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Having software installed on a thick client is a dying model that is just too expensive. So, we need a simple basic OS that can handle cloud apps. Enter android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even for large business, even thought it might take 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'security is /the/ main reason why businesses will not want to run cloud apps.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'fullstop'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'not to mention legal'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Private cloud. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what do you mean by private cloud'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'internal network that all computers access?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Your own servers in your own data center (or closet).'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'windows has been capable of that for decades'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and people have already implemented that'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you want windows on your cloud servers?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because linux is much better as a server os.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, and i'm sure many do run linux'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, most.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a good thing android didnt name the mistakes that linux did.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er make'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Android is linux, though :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but linux is basically a non issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok i need to go do work'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but in summary'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people decide what OS to use based on what software is available, what software available depends on what developers write, developers write based on where the market share is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so once you're dominant you're extremely difficult to displace'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or people just want a choice'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree. That's why I see android dominating.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo i don't see windows disappearing for at least a decade'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree with that too, it will probably take more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'android was a lame duck when it first came out, but google kept pushing developers to make stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now it dominates.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'android won because its only viable competitor was ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and apple was stupid enough to limit their ios to high end phones'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'android grabbed the lowtier market, and from there transitioned to high end'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because it had the market share + developers'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'still having the last laugh at friends who told me 5 years ago android was never gonna amount to anything :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the fact that Samsung dominates the cell phone market. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'could've been htc just as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or LG, or motorola, or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's the combined market share that pulls developers'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My next cell phone will probably be a google phone. Samsung adds a lot of junk to their phones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would've gotten a google phone except that they don't take microsd cards ):'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf is with that'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think google likes microsoft :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'microsd is microsoft?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, micro sd cards ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'memory cards'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont use em, they like the flash cards you use with cameras ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tiny'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like 1cm'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's dumb cos to buy a phone with a bigger memory capacity costs what, +$100?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my 32 gig cards for my cameras.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'holds shitloads of pics.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'when you can buy a 64g microsd card for like 50 bucks or something'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I pay $16 for 32 gig cards :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'microsd costs a bit more'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will buy a 64 gig card when they are under $20'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is my threshold for memory cards, when they hit $20, I start buying them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama: Raising the debt ceiling does not increase our debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Technically true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, the debt ceiling will be raised, there is no doubt. And it will happen in the last second.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could also say that failing to raise the debt ceiling does not remove the budget deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ahhh murican politics'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however phrasing it in a speech like that is daft'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the purpose of raising the debt ceiling is so that you can spend that money, then it will increase your debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like taking chocolate out of the wrapper and putting in your mouth, chewing it, then saying "oh, doing this won't mean i'm about to eat this chocolate"'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has only occurred because there hasn't been a proper budget agreed for ages'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'specialist DC capital armed response team turned up to the navy shooter scene 5 minutes after it started but were told by the DHS to stand down for 3/4 of an hour. Why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I can't really complain, UK government is set to spend $200bn it doesn't have this year alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And sweden follows, lowering taxes by borrowing money :('
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'looks like there won't be any tax reduction though'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not that I mind tax cuts, but they should be funded by cutting stupid spending instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, UK is in far worse shape than USA for economy, really, USA has tons of crap they can cut, UK can't cut anything without cutting really important stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US could cut large federal departments and not materially affect people's standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only way UK can sort it's budget out is massive changes to the tax/benefit system'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you mean get the people off the dole.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US could save an absolute fortune by disbanding TSA, DHS, FEMA, rolling any actually needed roles into the DOD'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dole isn't the problem in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you say so.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it isn't, most of the benefits aren't paid to people on the dole here'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but people on the dole put a big burden on the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it seems to be a sport in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do, but they aren't the biggest burden'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, for them not to be on the dole, there need to be jobs they can do that will pay them enough to live on'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is also an issue, which is why so many employed people also receive welfare'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, but the dole problem predates the downtrend in the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it's a result of the deindustrialisation of the country through the 70s and 80s, and the rise of relying on cheap crap from China'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the US is heading in the same direction because previously they could afford the drain, but not anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately like i said, there's stuff you can do to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I think the biggest problem the UK had, related to the dole, was the labor unions, which wanted their members to get paid without doing any work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was -a- problem, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of this stuff is all linked and not seperable'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a chronic housing problem here thats cause stems from multiple causes starting in the 70s'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of both of our countries problems comes not from what Bush/Blair did, but the cumulative effect of what everyone in government did over 40 years '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no doubt, but Bush did accelerate the decline more than any president since WWII'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he took the most and gave the least'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the biggest barriers to sorting our respective problems out are the EU in the case of UK and NAFTA in the case of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and Blair, having nothing of his own, thought that riding the US' coattails was the way to glory.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'NAFTA was designed to screw Mexico and the Central Americans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush and Blair are responsible for swiftening the warfare, destabalisation of the middle east, and remove people's liberties. The economic issues predate them'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NAFTA screws the USA far more than it screws Mexico and CAm'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the trade agreements being reached with foreign countries above the control of congress'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure that the issues predate them, but the stress on the national resources that their deeds produced are all theirs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely, but like i said, it's pointless to focus blame on them because if they hadn't happened, we'd both be experiencing the same economic issues, except maybe it would happened a bit later'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people always like to blame "the last guy"'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'LBJ and Vietnam is an example of how to rob the people without leaving them broke, everybody made money during that war. When Bush went to war only he and his friends made money, they just shoved a broom up the people's butts. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't necessarily agree with that, LBJ and Vietnam was when the economy hadn't started breaking down yet, you were still on the gold standard and had comparatively little debt. By Bush you were already a debtor nation'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we each have common problems and also problems that the other doesn't. UK has an overcrowding/housing issue, US has a mexico issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the top floor we both have governments that are inept and controlled by corporate interests, dysfunctional and little can be done to solve it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing UK needs to do is ditch the EU and enforce some proper immigration control'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the US was a debtor nation during the Reagan administration, the US sold its debt in the capital markets forcing interest rates to 22%. Still, people could manage. Bush Sr was basically ineffectual so we can ignore him, Clinton came in and put a surplus in the treasury. Bush came in with an economy that couldn't be said to be exactly healthy but could have improved as it improved under Clinton. But his first economic act was to go to war, not on one front but 2, the results were predictable. Also, the Bush family has been guilty  of abusing the banking system in the past. They were responsible for the collapse of the S&Ls, so what happened to the banking system at the start of this century is really not surprising.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no sweat, I have nothing else to say :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton might have had a surplus, but he was riding the dot com bubble and removed the glass-stegal act and put preasure on banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, this was essentially what led to the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, I see, you are going to claim the Bush is innocent of the banking collapse. That's nice of you :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'complicit maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all complicit, the entire ruling class'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so you blame Clinton for the collapse of the system 8 years later, but Reagan who allowed the Bush family to destroy the Savings and Loans system, gets no honorable mention.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you not listened to anything that has been said? The position we are in now is a result of the sum of the effects of all of the choices from all the ruling elite over a long period'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and the banking system collapsed under Bush, so you can blame anyone you want but can't get around that fact.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you remove any one choice, the end result may be slightly less, or transposed in time, or nuanced slightly, but they all did stuff that has added to the result'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bush, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, nixon'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Bank collapses happen all the time, it's normal. What's not normal is to try to rescue bad businesses with money you don't have.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have listened and I agree. I am pointing out that Bush was the one who threw the gasoline on the bonfire that consumed the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's among the worst, along with obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think his economic position wasn't half as important in terms of where we are as his massive attack on liberty, the police state, and the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, we will know how bad Obama could have been, what Bush left behind could not have been cleaned up by any one elected after him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'we will never know*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it could, but it takes time, and time has shown that it's getting worse not better. Time has shown that everything bad that Bush did, Obama is doing again but bigger'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK, the management changes, the problems remain'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The worst thing Bush did was the Iraq war, imo, can't think of anything obama has done that beats it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't think that is true. If Bush had not preceeded Obama, Obama's adminstration would have been declared middling. He started out with 2 strikes against him. A war in progress and a destroyed  economic system, now you blame him for something that will take 20 years to repair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take 20 years to repair'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'dream on :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree, it takes more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes 1 day to change your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe years to implement it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes 1 day to change your economic policy, years to implement it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'presidents are not allowed to change foreign policy. Foreign policy is a trans-presidential process.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Takes a couple of generations for the US populace to want a change.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i said it's a failure of the governmental system'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is probably why it's going to get far worse yet'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may never get better'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt the US will change it's foreign policy until they get really beaten down in a war. Probably needs to be on US soil. Hopefully that won't happen in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then we're doomed to constant war'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Worked for Sweden, we got really beaten down by the russians, and then we stopped being the bullies of europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It only cost us finland, so no real loss :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't aware sweden had done any bullying since the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'This all happened hundreds of years ago. We've had peace since 1814.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it all started going wrong here in 1066 when the british public had their land dispossed by a french/norwegian conqueror'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've never been free since'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you think you were free before? ha.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'since we moved from hunter-gatherer to agricultural, there's been very little freedom for anyone :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UK probably won't last much longer. I bet in my lifetime we will see it split up into England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well no, but at least people had land and were beholden to local tyrants rather than an overlord'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ireland is not part of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, northern ireland back to ireland, I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'certain parts of it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that won't happen :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it goes, it'll go independant'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You probably have more insight than me, so I'll take your word for it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, the UK can't certainly afford to maintain the same presence they did during the 70s and 80s'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'More countries are good, we like many countries here in europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's probably time to stop the "british commonwealth" nonsense as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes! Bring back the Empire!'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, just go for democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commonwealth is a nothing thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really not important'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same goes for Sweden. We've had a king here that is about as stupid as GW Bush for 40 years. Fortunately, has has little practical power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think people living in most commonwealth countries might have been better off if they had stayed under British rule'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'he has*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably right, Tinada, you wouldn't have the Zimbabwe issue, for instance, might have been able to keep the jihadi's out of Nigeria'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we are where we are'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gee, what fun in Nairobi.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what did I miss'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Huge battle in a mall there. Evidently al quadea gunmen. 59 dead, nearly 200 wounded, 30 hostages still held.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'damn.... '
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what does it prove or solve? all it seems to show is you can brutalize.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, yeah. I think that's all it's intended to prove.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I bet they will convert all sorts of people to Islam/Muslam'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh no doubt, heh'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'sad is all I can say'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yup. Sad at the very least.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nairobi massacre, courtesy of the US state departmnet'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spreading "democracy" worldiwde'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mrs Angela Hitler wins German election'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Socialised medicine: Live in pain or live in poverty'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'not that simple'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it works in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any socialised health model involves rationing on basis of cost'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this ultimately means people get less than optimal treatment'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this means instead of your treatment being dependant upon your insurance coverage or ability to pay or charity availability, your treatment instead is dependant on what condition you have and whether or not the treatment is expensive or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's hard to argue one of those is better than the other'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well some people over pay for qreset but also you could say they go cheap because its a easy way to convert gold to qps'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Miss Chan, the unmarried daughter of Jackie Chan'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so given that the democrats are going to go with pulling the racism angle and choosing Hilary for idiot candidacy in 2016, which terminally stupid fuckwit will what remains of the GOP choose?'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what causes more violence, violent video games, violent movies, violent songs/music culture, or prescription medication?'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another reason why socialised healthcare is such a fucking bad idea is when you want to try and sort out some medical equipment for yourself, it's a thousand times more difficult to get it because no bugger will deal direct with the public'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it' like nazi health system'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome, "Obamacare will increase health spending by $7450 a year for a family of four"'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is how it's supposed to be done, folks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1G1IscWi58&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxTAdQAc1Y0Fu-sd-yWJCNg'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and at what part does this gentleman do anything to warrant being charged with assaulting a cop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQmUnisDEM&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I don't see where dude assaulted the cop.  He certainly could have worked on the delivery of his question better though'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he really didn't assault anyone, did he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. this is peculiar - there are and has been people who could buy a whole country but that has never happened yet..'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not easy to buy a whole country as it would require the consent of the title holders - that's a whole lot of paperwork'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'money is not enough for buyng one'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm.'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of 'buying''
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can control a country without owning all of the property'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you can have a zillion dollars but 2 guys can still beat you up. that's the reason:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and to own a country you really have to send in many realy big buffed soldiers. money cant buy people'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy election which means you can buy government which gives you those soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why propaganda exists, along with political parties and ever increasingly complicated, invasive, and unneccessary government'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it is what happens when the people stop considering government important'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think Harry Reid has lost the plot'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'has harry ever had the plot?'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, but he's calling his own side anarchists'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lois lerner is retiring. Retiring? shouldnt' she have been in front of a firing squad?'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else see Obama's UN address where he lied through his teeth then threatened Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, 7th graders suspended for 9 months from school for playing with an airsoft toy gun AT HOME'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'these republicans are butt hurt over this obamacare huh..still yappin'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'companies making billions in profit don't want to pay for healthcare and they cut jobs, lets blame obamacare..hurrr'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'companies make money out of obamacare, it ain't there problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gruagach must be one of the unwashed masses who thinks he'll get free healthcare out of Obamacare. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everybody knows that the goals of obamacare are establishing sharia law, cloning hitler, taking yer guns and making usa communist'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, i forgot death panels and euthanasing old people'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'haven't most of those things happened already? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and make kenya (where obama is totally born) the 51st state so obama's presidency would be legal'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dang, that's clever'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the left extremists are planning to make interracial marriages and abortions mandatory'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was just baffled at the assertion that somehow people thing that companies will suffer for Obamacare. They don't care, they reduce hours to avoid it, downgrade coverage if it already exists. How exactly does that make them butthurt?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas Joe Public, on the other hand, is hit by hours cuts, job losses, an average $7500 per family per year hike in costs'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who exactly is butthurt?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'calculating who loses how much money is a bit complicated though'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wouldn't mind donald trump being euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's sufficient if you euthanize his hair, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who loses money. who gains money out of this?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who experience job loss, increased taxes, or increased health care costs loses, anyone making money out of obamacare gains (insurance, health and pharma corporations)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'insurance/healthcare/regulators/some people gain, most people/normal companies lose'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard that donald is actually a swell guy. it's the hair that's evil and controlling him'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're basically saying, Tinada, is the people supporting this liek Gruagach are either in those industries, are sociopaths, or are so retarded that they'll vote to put their own babies in a blender if Obama says so because he's black?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think most people supporting [insert any policy you can think of] are largely clueless :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our UK Labour party had a conference this week and announced a raft of crowd-pleasing policies which everyone is going "good" at without considering their impact, without considering the problem they are attempting to fix, and without considering if they will actually fix anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem, different country'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From Labour's point of view, the main problem is presumably that Labour is currently not in position.'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't know where to start with "the problems with Labour"'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of nanny state authoritarian fuckwits led by a fake-geek'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ah, so you're a supporter'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did consider voting for them yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'briefly'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and then you woke up and the nightmare ended?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, perhaps i needed medicating'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you always need medicating ;)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately i live in a country with socialised healthcare system, added to which self-medication is illegal'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love living in a country with socialised healthcare system :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the social tax is a tad high, but hey, i'm not crippled'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nor in crippling debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, think yourself lucky you aren't crippled, if you were you'd get no help'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not crippled because i got help'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK then'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you would rather abolish than fix nhs?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure it can be fixed'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would certainly break it up into local bodies'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not for single payer at all?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think the problem with it is the single payer'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the issue is that in a large population with single payer, it cannot be afforded without restriction based on cost'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you limit care based on cost you have a broken healthcare system'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a single-payer system, you also need to have the government provide all the services'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you get terrible value for money'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what's happened'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have national and private hospitals with one goverment healthcare fund'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the Nhs services getting farmed out, as a result the quality is collapsing'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have hospitals going bankrupt, nurses deliberately killing people, old people being left to die of thirst, it's all rather crap'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, we have the old people bit'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have a situation where pensioners are frightened to go to hospital because it's the biggest killer of pensioners, your health system has a problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not enough hospices and they pay shit salaries'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, all of the local hospitals and recouperation units got closed which means nobody has local health access anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, an idea proposed by Tories in early 1990s that never caught on might be the way forward - go with the NHS, but have all procedures "priced", so if someone wants to buy the service in the private sector, the government will pay that much as a subsidy towards the treatment'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have something like that. dunno how the prices are fixed tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that combined with breaking up the NHS into county-based bodies, locally accountable might reduce the overhead of centralised control'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people dissed the idea, claiming it was discriminating against the poor'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like i said - i've been going to a private clinic for 15 years now'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been paying for some private treatment, but it's barely enough to keep me able to work, nothing more - still in daily pain'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ontop of paying for my NHS cover which amounts to about $700 a month'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i haven't been paying for it tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i have, have to pay for my meds, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even though they're provided by the NHS'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'drug discounts are national anyway, and the doctors at the clinic just bill the national fund for their hours. in addition i have to pay a small visit fee'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be cheaper for me to buy the meds on the open market except you can't because it is illegal to buy most meds here without going through the NHS'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but most common drugs get 75-90% discounts'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'move to ukraine if you want to buy drugs from a market :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i shouldn't have to move from my own country any more than patriots should need to flee the US to escape maggot-infested democrat takeover'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but that explains why you are angry and have so much time to vent it on this channel'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maggots? that's like druzil speaking. maybe you do need meds :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically i should be working right now, only at home cos the car's in the workshop having it's bushes done'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a few american expat friends of mine have been over the moon with the healthcare here'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that depends on their situation'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, we moved from discrimination of treatment based on wealth to discrimination of treatment based on cost/condition (which is no better imho)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US they're moving from discrimination of treatment based on wealth to.... well fucked if i know, some crazy corporatist fascist monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yeah, health and housing are red spots'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poke them on me and i explode'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have social housing, right?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '83% own their home here'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then in the 1980s, the then tory government allowed social housing renters to purchase their homes at below-market rates. Fine, but they also prevent councils from building any more'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has led to all a situation where all the "social housing" is owned by private companies and landlords and rented out. The government just pays for the rent through housing welfare which now costs the country $40bn a year for which they get nothing to show for it. As a result, house prices are now beyond the reach of the majority of the public, with the average house costing 15x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and none of the political parties want to fix it because inflated house prices makes the figures look good'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a false scarcity in the housing market keeping prices inflated, partly because of welfare/landlords, partly because of highly constrictive planning laws which basically only allows insider corporations to buy up large areas of agricultural land surrounding existing settlements, sit on them for 10 years until they get permission to build huge cramped ghettos on them as part of government "housing expansion plans". Joe bloggs can't build anywhere (except for in other peopls' gardens)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully that is cogent and understandable'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ted cruz is still going, wonder if he needs a shit yet'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, under US law it is entirely legal for the US government to perform experimentation on the general public, including experimentation with potentially lethal side-effects, without their permission'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what everyone in the alternative media has been saying for a long time. Only now is it being squeezed out of the corporate/regime media: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101062461'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/corker-warns-obama-administration-against-any-action-to-implement-un-arms-trade-treaty-without-senate-advice-and-consent'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the Obama regime thinks it can sign onto any UN treaty without a Senate vote'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'Spends 20 hours speaking against bill, votes for it anyway.. its a teaparty life for me'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in Truckee California....the record low is under freezing for every month of the year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'Syria, discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that Syria discussion went well'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mind games continue: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/25/Senate-Website-Gets-Second-Amendment-Wrong'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but incase Kizactrin ever pops back: Syria's a mess, leave it alone, should never have got involved, USA should never have armed and trained jihadi's against Assad, both sides have chemical weapons, the rebels and possibly either the regime or elements allied with it have used chemical weapons, it's essentially a proxy war and the real enemy is Saudi Fucking Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyone who likes skub is an idiot. skub sucks'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Dagnir is anti-skub, those damned anti-skubbers'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'reality. what the heck is it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a mob'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'reality - "i have strong muscles"  means "you make me feel good" "host my sperm now". or "...long live my genes". so in different timeframe reality is different. this all sucs. still have some booze left'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, can't help you there'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you are unable to help at all''
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats the my point '
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not mine:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ever though why the hell you HAVE to do something all the time? insane. you DONT. but you do. all the time. this sucks too'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'debate channel is great. you drink, have ideaz, spread them and nobody cares:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nobody'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'total silence'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'two can play that game'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'total silence'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'see if you like it'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if silence were golden it would be worth $1350 an ounce'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'how do you weigh silence?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do it the same way that politicans do, make shit up as you go along'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you mean, make shit up a anybody goes along.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever you find easier'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit early to be drinking ain't it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'politicans need mass of attention. us, the gray pedestrians, need less.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its almost midnight here'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's really on your mind, old gray dude?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'same old.. genes talking shit, rebel alien spirit suggesting other shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried the UN?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i know nothing about that bunc'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'bunch*'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'why do we strive to protect humanity if the rest of humanity doesnt give a rats ass about each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't strive to protect humanity, and we don't give a rats ass about each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, there is money to be made!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring on the end of the world!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the russians are exporting krocodile to the US now......yay russians.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would have to be a major idiot to use that crap.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'so I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf mutes. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'export? krokodill is a home cooked drug aint it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the russians cooked up 60 million doses last year, and a the kraze made it to the US....a couple of them ended up in the ER with flesh eating problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'The discussion is now zombies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you get a negative reaction to the drug....it can eat your arm or leg away.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'thats pleasant. Worse than the effects of most drugs here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it is simple - if you cook it bad, the shit will clog your blood vessels, causing gangrene. '
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'you know, I have noticed a trend with drugs. If you can smoke something, the side effects are usually either minimal or take forever to occur. However, if you snort or inject them, the effects are more serious and happen much quicker. Anyone else notice this?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'btw, I was being serious for once.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is still better, or shrooms.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wont kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'drugs are for pussies'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is not a drug.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'instead of DARE, let's just teach kids that drugs are for pussies and fgts'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I was speaking of the more dangerous side effects, btw, not the super dee delectable effects.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and, marijuana in indeed a drug'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just tax it like tobacco and alcohol.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and the pine comb tea I made this morning is a drug also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why don't we tax cocaine too?  why not tax violence against homeless people?  then we can raise LOTS of money'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'or violence by homeless people towards more upstanding citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just get a license for 24 hours to beat up koji......that would raise lots of money too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you would leave poorer and in an ambulance'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'now you two are going for "personal" blows. This is not a debate, it is a petty squabble =/'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'petty is my middle name....bring it on!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm enjoying his personal blow.. eh  eh he he'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'find a room you two :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyways, I have friends who have recreational smoked marijuana for over 25 years, and they enjoy it quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol hurts more people than marijuana ever does....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I have no doubt that recreationally, it can be enjoyable. However, I know people that "cannot function" without it. It can get ugly from then on. I am talking people that get super addicted and do almost anything to fulfill that addiction, such as theft, assault, betrayal, and other wretched things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never met anyone addicted to marijuana, but I have with alcohol, tobacco and hard drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I used to be addicted to marijuana'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but we haven't met'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'at least with my tobacco addiction, I don't stand up the local corner mart.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's a mental addiction - not physical'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'just like an addiction to food or porn'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or aard for that matter...'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, I used to be addicted to food....weighed almost 500 lbs. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'smokin too many doobies my friend'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I hardly ever smoke...I prefer to eat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lost over 310 lbs in 14 months by changing my diet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I've never been addicted to food but I imagine it's quite similar to pot addiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'woah! that's incredible'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I am addicted to porn. Food- I used to be "addicted" to it, because early in life I had nothing to eat, so when I became an upstanding citizen, I partook in eating more than I should. Tobacco, I am addicted to, but I can withstand going without for a time. Caffeine- I may drink a cup a day, but I don't order the super expensive mega mocha sort of crap. What else...'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have seen the lungs of smokers, whether it be tobacco or marijuana....it isnt pretty, so I switched to eating marijuana in my green smoothies and baked goods.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'oh, I can't spend a single day without a few hours of reading. Other than that, and minor experiments over time, I am pretty much clean. I'll drink alchie for camaradery (I butchered that, I know) but I don't go past a couple of shots.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I stopped smoking pot b/c it's illegal and I didn't like the way I felt. Took awhile though, and was easy to go back at first'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can lose weight if they just reduce the amount of carbs in their diet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I reduced my carbs to less than 10 grams per day during that 14 months though, now I keep it around 100.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you watching porn now kiz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'for me the eating thing was more of a nervous habit from not knowing when my next meal would be when I was a wee little one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and yes, I am. That calander pic of you is simply delicious'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'gross'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame you didnt live in a hunting family.....go squirrel and rabbit hunting, or birds......man, roasted dove on an open fire is damn good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'eh... I'm a vegetarian... but meh.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even pigeons are good, but kind of small.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'to each their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Were you a vegetarian then ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'squirrel is better than most people give credit for'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tree squirrel is one of the best meats that God ever gave us....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'when I was a tyke and starving almost constantly? No. Anything edible was a blessing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I can be a good sport to bag em too'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'gotta be a good shot to get em in the head'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, if you lived in the swamps of Texas or lousiana....you could FEAST on water rats....they are destroying the wetlands, and the govt offers a $5 bounty on each one killed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can fill up the freezer pretty fast hunting 10-20 lb water rats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'that big eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, more related to the beaver than a rat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is there another name for those riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, nutria'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'in oregon we have something similiar to that. Forgot the proper- yep, nutrias.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'they didn't catch as much as that here though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'in tigard there was a small group of those.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were brought to the US for their fur coats.....made good coats...but it never caught on, and then some escaped.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'but they paved over most of tigard last I saw -.- so I don't know if the nutrias are still over there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'had fried nutria last week....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 20 lbs of nutria in one of my freezers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I can picture them as being pretty good eating, should I not be a vegetarian.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'but again, they are not that plentiful here, to my knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 3 chest freezers right now.....going to buy another when they go on sale again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lemon pepper fried nutria with jalapenos and salsa.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or tacos'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'black crappie'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, that reminds me....had some asian carp for the first time yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried up nice and golden.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine is going to bring me 100 lbs of asian carp next time he visits Texas......going to can it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pressure canning it will soften up the bones.....then we can make deep fried fish balls.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slaughtered a dozen more rabbits a few days ago....they were fluffy and 10 weeks old....7 lbs each.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cooked up 8 of them and dry pressure canned the meat, and froze the other 4 in pieces for frying later.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Rizgoth needs to poop.
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. clean diesel vehicle sales increased 25.6% in 2012, almost double the overall auto market's increase.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bring back the persian empire if you want peace.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to increase the federal gas tax by 6 cents so that it is equal to the fuel tax of diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'or we could decrease the tax on diesel'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'very bad, we're broke bad enough already'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the taxes are too low as it is, they barely cover road expenses as it is now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'higher taxes arent the solution to our financial woes'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about income tax here, talking about a tax that actually covers something important......replacing bridges, highways, and stuff is important....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the replacement of bridges in the US has a backlog of almost $80 billion now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'call me crazy but i think we need to eliminate income tax and just do a sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'then even illegals and tax dodgers would be forced to contribute'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of a phasing in of a national sales tax as long as it is mandated in the constitution ammendments that the income tax be phased out first.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'hell ya. income tax is way more headache than its worth'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not gonna let the assholes initiate a sales tax and then renege on reducing the income tax....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'you aware of the fair tax movement?'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'good stuff there, imho'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would also like to see a reduction of the social security tax to 5% each, and a 5% social security tax on capital gains.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the capital gains tax is 15-20% now, not even close to regular income tax....so a 5% social security tax on that wealth would shore up the SS program....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I also want an audit of the SS program to phase in going back to how SS was when it was formed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'me too. '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SS was never intended to be the only income people had so that they could live alone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was meant to be an additional income for older folks who at the time it was created mostly lived with family.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'yeah. it wasnt supposed to be a replacement for saving for retirement'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raising of SS payments allowed those older people to move out and live alone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'nor was it supposed to establish a retire-live-off-"welfare" age'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to have my mom live in the apartment I built off my new house, but she wont because of all the damn money she gets from govt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'may as well be welfare now'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'yeah situations like that are screwed up. so backward.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it basically destroyed the family unit in the US.....immigrants who come to the US are more family orientated than we are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, SS is going to be broke eventually, then we will be forced to go back to how it was.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'i hereby announce that i agree with everything you say now and forever lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'social security retirement benefits pay out based on the person's wages over their life time (i.e. how much they paid in)'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'it's much more like a forced savings method, not like welfare'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'The point is to ensure your mother would actually have a way to live, if she didn't have someone offering her a house. A lot of people don't have family (or good family), and they don't deserve to end up on the street because of that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people DO have family, a small minority of people do not....it was the same in the 30s'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'not everyone has a family that is willing and able to provide care for the elderly'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will keep getting harder as we lose the family unit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'once the tradition of the family unit is gone....we are toast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will end up like italy with a negative birth rate and a huge ballooning govt welfare system for single old people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'you mean we're not there already? :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was watching a docu on asian people.....asian people amaze me....how they work together to start new businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'getting rid of social security, which is a lifeline for many disabled and elderly people, is an awfully harmful way to promote strong families'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whole familes and extended friends getting together to start businesses, and using profits to expand and make more businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not in favor of getting rid of it, I am just in favor of phasing it down to how it was in the 30s when it was created.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'i may disagree with the implementation of communism but you gotta admit,valuing group effort is definitely a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'we've lost a lot of that in the mad rush of consumerism and individualism'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there are many types of capitaliam......and the asians have figured out the best way to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'ideally there'd be a balance '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'what was the name of that doc? I'd like to see it'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole family benefits when you join together.....united we stand baby.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'a nation divided against itself cannot stand'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, Texas Cow Chainsaw massacre.....if a calf of a baby dies and you have another calf from a dead cow.....skin the dead calf, put the skin on the new calf and hope it fools the momcow into thinking its her calf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er calf of a cow'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need to start sending the somali govt small arms to help with their terrorist problem......automatic weapons, ammo, rpgs, grenades, and other small arms should be sold....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'but there isnt any oil in somalia so the US doesnt give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love some more cod, but none of my friends with boats are doing cod right now....they usually start doing crab pot cod a month before crab season.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Three days after John F. Kennedy was sworn in as president, a nuclear bomb that could have devastated much of the U.S. East Coast nearly exploded when the B-52 bomber carrying it broke up over North Carolina, according to a declassified internal report published Friday.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Three of the eight crew members died and the bomber's two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs each of them four megatons, 250 times more powerful than the device that destroyed Hiroshima, Japan, in 1945 separated as the B-52G crashed in Faro, N.C., near Goldsboro, on Jan. 24, 1961.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What wasn't reported was that while one bomb plowed into the ground and disintegrated, the second nuke fired three of its four arming mechanisms and deployed the parachute designed to slow its descent to optimum blast altitude, according to the document, '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a simple, cheap trigger failed to deploy on the bomb and prevented the bomb from exploding.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bomb carried a destructive yield greater than all of the combined munitions ever detonated in the history of the world to that point  including the nuclear bombs that hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we do have the most expensive health care system in the world by far.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly silly rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, 7th grader suspended for having a gun keychain the size of a quarter'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'a kid could choke on it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'better than a paper gun cutout'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the public schools in america are just a propaganda wing of the democrat party, so you kind of expect them to be brainwashed by any means necessary into thinking that nanny state socialism is good and independent thought is bad'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all just par for the course i guess'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the past decade of utility deregulation, the frequency and duration of outages has crept up, maintenance of aging infrastructure has been deferred, line workers have been laid off--and the salaries of utility CEOs have risen an average of 150 percent nationwide.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe the idea of having shared infrastructure being run by a common entity wasn't so whacky after all. Who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the infrastructure and the nature of the common entity'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government is to 'shutdown', oh noes! panic!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'better defund fartbongo care'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the period during which it is shut down will be characterised by stuff being fractionally less shit than normal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be nice if they finally shutdown the rhetoric.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the lies and exageration'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'at least it will screw hundres of thousands of people who work for the goverment, thats good'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that many?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'fbi?cia? nsa? airforce?army? defense contractors?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of those are affected'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i mean they still get to go to work, and will get IOU's'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, none of those are affected anyway'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'oh, so you don't know what you're talking about it.. got it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only non essential parts of the budget would be affected.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is about 5%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz has it right, it affects federal parks, museums, pointless shit like that mostly'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i guess it depends on if you count furloughed as shut down or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'well i do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'because it happened for one reason, the goverment shutdown'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well therein lies your problem :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of funding isn't the same thing as shut down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/26/news/economy/shutdown-furloughs/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's a bias issue with that piece'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the furloughed people always end up getting the pay eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as a number of factual ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '/facepalm'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deb furloughing is only a temp fix to push back expenses to a later time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need to bite the bullet and start making the cuts that they need, starting with the entire TSA, FEMA, and DHS departments'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gives the govt time to move funds around so that essential things can be paid for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'oh tigernuts is one of those'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i see now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just be thankful you have plenty of "fat" to trim, we have arse all in the Uk and no pot to piss in'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the only true cuts that would save money is ones they would never make'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dat military complex'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, they need to maintain and grow the power structure that allows these fat cats to further concrete their position'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my local council has now banned people from selling scrap metal to a scrap metal merchant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'maybe meth heads will stop stealing copper now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has nothing to do with meth heads whom we didn't have an issue with, it's to do with the local council wanting to make money out of a scrap metal collection service'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use regulation to kill off your competition, you should look it up - it's what governments do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you get what you allow to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'thank you alex'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get what the fuckwits vote in, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then create a lobbyist company to inform people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you forgot the quotes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'too bad more smarter people like you didnt get to vote extra'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"inform"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ok then, gruagach, we'll let you do all the work and pay all the tax and we'll sit on our arses and sponge off you, since you volunteered'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're not volunteering, then kindly stop deriding those of us who give half a shit enough to want to fix stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i pay more in taxes than some companies.. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am for cutting the military budget by 25% though...would save $100 billion a year, and we would still be spending 50% more than we did when clinton was president.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'debating on aard=fix stuff...got it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people on welfare pay more in taxes than some companies, so that's not saying much is it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'lol..i'm sure that statment was true..'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'brb, showing in tinfoil'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down all the military bases in the middle east except 1 in kuwait that has access to the gulf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you think you can single-handedly go out there and press a magic button to fix everything then talking to people to inform them ("inform") is an entirely valid strategy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down all bases in europe except for that big medical one in Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'naw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we like being able to have army guys in every country'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we can refuel anywhere we please'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you honestly thin they'll let you take down some of their military control structure?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'no reason to'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs too much to keep them running, we waste billions on it for nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the public would be behind a massive write-down of your MIC'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'protection'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slow down production of air craft carriers to 1 per 10 years instead of 1 per 7 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'employee millions of people'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's a bullshit justification'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler didn't employ huge armies to gas jews and conquer the world because it "employed people"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont care about european jobs of people working on foreign US bases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let the germans and french get jobs working for someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'stopped reading at hitler..alex jones must have rotted your brain'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your country's employment prospects are predicated on foreign military interventions, your country is fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'good thing our country creates everything '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'or we would be fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bereft on any intellectual argument you go for personal attacks? how very democrat of you'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down that last base in japan and move that fleet to either guam or back to pearl.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creates what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'everything?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second rate motor cars'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you're on a softlayer server right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'on a computer'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increase forces in south korea though......that is the only increase I support.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'over the internet'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manufactured in china'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'thats not the same as creating'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we are talking innovation, invention'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'secondary education, everyone wants to come to america'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'world class health care with top notch science'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most things that come to the US via other countries were designed in America, but manufactured elsewhere.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're suffering from god complex :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a healthy sign'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'not hard, when you are god'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mainly because chinese have no clue what americans want anymore than europeans do, or anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we dont need china..if things went down we would impose an import tax, and start making our own shit..it would cost more and people would be mad for a bit, but we would be fine... what would china do if they lose 50% of their jobs over 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to the point, government shutdown will be obnoxious but hardly catastrophic, and is occuring because you have a dysfunctional government with two parties incapable of governing'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lower energy costs in the US is making it harder for US companies to justify manufacturing stuff in China, Vietnam or South Korea.....not to mention shipping costs keep going up, and the damn asians keep wanting to be paid more. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i hate that obama keeps saying we cant use coal power.. we have so much coal reserves.. that is really the one thing that i cant understand'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hurhur the planet, meanwhile everyone else is doing it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is good, just use the technology that exists to scrub the emissions cleaner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gore and Blood, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has a 500 year supply of coal reserves that we know about.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rizzer is right, you'd bring those suckers on line, get that pipeline built, get the stuff flowing'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We probably have 10x that what we dont know about.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does that include Centralia, Pennsylvania?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't ever have that while the green-lobby and socialists have your balls in a vice'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt the green lobby that is doing it, they lost all their power....it is the big oil companies themselves and congress'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that's true, it's certainly not true in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example in Alaska......Alaska has over 200 trillion cubic feet of natgas at prudhoe bay, but govt regulations and big oil prevents it from being tapped.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one wants to spend $15 billion to build a natgas pipeline, even though the natgas is worth over $500 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your leaders created a shortage of fish and coal during WW2, Tiger.  A logistically-impressive move, considering you're on an island practically made of coal and surrounded by fish.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fish are a contested resource'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or that HUGE uranium deposit that was found in the lower 48....it happens to be in an indian reservation, but big energy companies wont deal with indians to make it happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that mountain of uranium would power US reactors for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should not rely on nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't even start on nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a retarded idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '50 years isn't that long...especially if consumption rates in general keep trending upwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'between arizona nevada new mexico and even colorado there is lots or solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or that HUGE gold deposit that was found in Alaska.....over $400 billion worth of gold and other metals, but it wont be tapped either, has nothing to do with greenies, it has to do with mining companies that are dirty, and wont spend a little to be cleaner and protect the fish.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll do it when they get sufficiently hard up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Chicago could power much of the US all by itself if every building had a turbine on it.  They don't call it the Windy City for nothing, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my bullshit alert went off, hans'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is windy because of how the building layout of the city was planned....:P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the big problem isn't generation but storage and transport.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wyoming has 100x more wind potential than chicaco.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the rest of the country has a blackout when the wind stops'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are bullshit alert scripts are illegal btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to have distributed generation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Texas has the most wind potential in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why west texas is being covered with wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and diverse type of generation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the deserts are the future people'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have lots of space to dedicate to pretty much every type of alternative fuel, but different areas are really, really bad for some types.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deserts aren't people, Elchanan, they are places.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i guess i needed a comma there'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west texas isnt a desert, it is semi-arid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have lots of potential over there and a very low population density. If you can't sort it out you only have yourselves to blame'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the UK has lots of potential also in tidal power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'deserts are the best places for anything that is energy intensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of potential are short sighted government won't touch'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'very expensive to tap that potential'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the hundreds if not thousands of years of methane under your water off the coast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't tap it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is working on the technology to tap into that methane hydrates....give em some time...they need it also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'howabout pumping massive amounts of sea water up into the driest most energy intensive areas in the country'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salt kills soil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'salt kills anything that needs nutrients to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what about those poor slugs!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well dual action "pipe line" desalinates water as it goes northward and flushes super concentrated brine back down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only good thing saltwater is for now is growing saltwater algae, but no one wants to do that right now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'desalination is astonishingly energy intensive, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes it is '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why bother? use fresh water'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we could grow all our energy needs if we really wanted too, but oil, coal and natgas is easier to get right now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae is the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is way more salt water than fresh in the world'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've got a shortage of fresh water.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''we', hans?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes tiger its a world wide shortage'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a freshwater shortage but a glut of population, considered at a global level'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, does salt water freeze at really low temps ?  That ice created would be fresh water correct ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well not 100% fresh but yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'currently the "we" is much of California and nearby areas, but the Midwest is expected to run out of sufficient aquifers in another 50 years if we don't get smarter about water use now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be ice containing salt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california is overpopulated'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'u could also evaporate it... but that makes collecting water more annoying'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you have lots of sun'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why i say pipe it and use solar to move it and purify along the way'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mine the ice.  Think of all the wasted water holding down mountains and clogging up trade lanes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pipe it from where?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gulf of mexico most likely'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP plants could double as water evaporation and energy production plants.....kill 2 birds with 1 stone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mars'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mars is full of perchlorate.  Very toxic shit to be messing with.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's stealing from peter to pay paul, elchanan, just man up and put in the desalination plants, or shed population until it's sustainable'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2% of soil by weight on mars is water according to new tests.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes but how mig of a plant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'point is... until problem hits those fossilised chair warmers in government that still recall time when candles were keen invention... none of this is going to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it hasn't been long enough to launch the Fourth Reich, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and im taking about a desalination plant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but make it part of the pipeline'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got sun, you've got a coast, you have everything you need, but your state government pisses money away on welfare, victimising gun owners, and general assorted lame gayness'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be better to just let the algae use the saltwater, it converts it into fresh water, plant material, and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why california is haemorraging californians and they're all spilling out and poisoning texas'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use the oil for energy, the plant material for animal feed, and the water for drinking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont have 1000 miles long by maybe 500 yards wide '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'libs from california do not move to Texas, the capitalists tht make the companies do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are tired of paying high taxes in california.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, you get libs too, we had the same problem here with overspill of fuckwits from London'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silicon alley in Texas is growing fast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and burning wood chips for energy is just retarted'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because more biomass can be produced with biomass'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have the trees or hedging on site, then woodchip and wood generally a sustainable, economical, and carbon neutral heat source'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are areas in the worlds that are lacking massive amounts of biomass so why burn it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then clearly they need a different solution, you need solutions that are sustainable locally'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'areas that are really sandy could use massive influxes of plant matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'local is good for something but when you cant get something locally then where do you get it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, research and testing shows that using 5% biomass like wood mixed in with coal uses 10% less coal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the energy producer saves money'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gains renewable credits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only sensible if they have the biomass locally'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US we do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal plants in Alaska use 5% biomass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LOCALLY, US is a big place'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal plants in Texas also use 5% biomass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is actually a 50% biomass power plant somewhere in new england.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if that is true riz then that seems to be worth the cost, at first glance atleast'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biomass is turned into pellets and mixed with the crushed coal to be burned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but there are still areas of the country that could use that biomass to help create new fertile lands'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some use wood chips though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too much biomass mixed with the coal though, and you lose the effectiveness of the coal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your electric grid is one bit of infrastructure that should remain in public hands'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is good though...we need more natgas plants....they are quick to build and can be expanded easily.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the best part of natgas though, it can easily be turned off when power generation is higher than consumption.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need something like that to balance your renewables'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best close them all down, Rizzer, so Al Gore can have his huge government-handouts for his latest pad while people are experiencing brown-outs, going hungry, or cold'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'background is that in the UK, electric prices have gone up by over 200% in the last 12 years thanks to "green" policy and terrible policy decisions that benefits energy cartels'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was trying to compare UK and US governments and was wondering why the US government was such a clusterfuck when it came to funding things, then i realised that it would be a nearer match of circumstance to compare the US government to the EU parliament, which is equally as screwed up and dysfunctional'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has nothing to do with funding actually...it has to do with the debt ceiling.....if the govt cant borrow money to pay things off, it has to move money around or not pay it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'try adding some substance to your comments :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'businesses and self employed people pay taxes 4x a year so revenue fluctuates, and when you have a $800 billion deficit, it just makes it harder.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like define what you mean by "clusterfuck"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and "funding things," could you be more specific'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes when the treasury is low on money it needs to borrow money to make up for it....that is the debt ceiling.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'businesses do the same thing when revenue is not stable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 months ago the revenue generated by the irs was actually $105 billion over what was needed to fund the govt, that was money was used to pay down debt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about mechanics, the UK government for instance, does not have a debt ceiling and doesn't require a vote to raise it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore the only vote that takes place is each year over the budget for the coming year'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really need to get the budget deficit back down to $200 billion or so, that is manageable, and allows for surpluses in some years so the debt doesnt keep going up so fast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'US does not have an un-manageable amount of debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want a budget deficit of $0 so that the only debt you generate is from infrastructure investment'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has manageable debt provided interest rates don't go up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(interest rates are going up, btw)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and interest rates for US treasuries are going down.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3x more people want to buy US treasuries than are sold each time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'long term trend for intrest rates has been down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not seeing any downward trend'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are they below 5.5 % for 30 year bonds'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'back in 2006 they were around there'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3.69% for 30 year bond'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and have not been above since'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'intrest rates on long term bond have been falling over the past 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll creep up with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably respective central banks will have to stop printing money, and interest rate will have to go up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'interest rates should be similarly aligned with growth rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or an asteroid made of gold and platinum will plummet into lake ontario.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'high growth high rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interest rates and growth rates are not directly linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i never said directly linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor should they be aligned with anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if people have a hard time earning a return on monies they will require a lower borrowing rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the governmental debt is being controlled through a policy of robbing the public - 6% inflation, 0.5% interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflate that debt away!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'inflation has not been 6%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on what you buy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation has been running at 6% for at least 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'exactly riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'overall it has not been 6% '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overall on average it has been 6%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'depends what you buy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation for me has been extremely low, not even 1%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for me it's been >10%, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well not in the us tiger'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a bit less in the US because of falling house prices'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i bough ny strip steak for 4.99 per lb today'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate in Texas has steadily increased by about 4% a year for the last 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we didnt crash in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'certain things tho have inflated way more than others'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think coffee was a big one :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I paid $6 a lb for 400 lbs of grass fed angus beef from a local ranch about 20 miles from where I live....that includes packaging in foodsaver bags, and butchering.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tiger  interest rate fluctuate with business cycles'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they do, elchanan, but the current interest rate is not pegged to a business cycle, it's pegged to a governmental crisis caused by themselves'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'with booms characterized by rising interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1970s was definitely not a boom'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twice in my lifetime there have been interest rates in double digits. Neither time was a boom'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tax free muni bonds in Florida and Texas pay around %5 for a 30 year bond.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well thats at the peak prob'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but there are different time frames'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new toll project here in Texas just offered $4 billion in 30 year bonds that pay %5.6'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toll highway project that is.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas state muni bonds have a AAA rating.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the freaking bonds sold out in like 8 minutes....I never had a chance :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can buy some through a broker though, for slightly less return.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deb -h 4'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey dal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should raise rabbits.....fried rabbit, yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and goats'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not goats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too much troublee.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, like people have room to raise anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can raise rabbits in a closet'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those that do in the USA, promptly get jumped on by nazi city ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i live in a parallel universe where i can afford a smallholding, i'll have a garden AND keep livestock, happy?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you own a house, you can have rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK, people don't own houses'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have a small yard, you can have rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people are too lazy to raise thier own animals for food'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'altho looks like with the whole tread towards local it might be a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd have chickens, not rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can raise my own food in an apartment if I had too......rent a small storage room, and raise rabbits indoors, plus grow veggies using hydroponics...'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could sell a couple rabbits a month to pay for the monthly storage rent.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if people would think outside the box, they would do better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no market for unorthodox meat types here'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not according to things I have read....fresh rabbit is quite popular in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've been reading bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive seen rabbit is stores up in nyc'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuuure :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they selling venison for 2 quid a kilo just to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the local butchers who used to prepare and sell game were put out of business in the 1980s and 1990s by the large out of town supermarkets and their butchery cartels'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I local buy most of my food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for those exceptional australian oranges......or clementines from california, or spain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here buy what Mr Tesco has cheapest'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'florida oranges dude!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most are just glad to be able to afford to eat'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'support the penis of the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida doesnt grow clementines'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida grows 40% of the US tomatoes, yet has the worst soil for tomato growing.....fake tomatoes suck.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where the hell do they grow them at in fl'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had more than enough tomatoes of late :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'most of homestead and that area got developed'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currently enjoying the apples, blackberries and raspberries while they're in season'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can afford blackberries and raspberries? even in season they're horrendously expensive here :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they grow wild'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can afford to go outside in the garden to pick them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apples are expensive now....even in season :('
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'picking raspberries is almost as bad as watching party conventions though'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a good apple hydrid that will grow in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'none of them growing wild near here'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of my folks cookers got some form of blight'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what do you think about them mini cows riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and I fot a moment thought you were talking about electronic devices.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should have lots of blackberries where you are maj.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'raspberries did well though'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haven't seen damn-all'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you seen, then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lots of kudzu'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sugar cane?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could always send out for some of Rizgoth's genetically modified rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24319583 - in a push to ensure house prices stay out of reach of Joe Public, UK government brings forwards plans to further inflate the house price bubble'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who wants to buy my house for the low low price of $22 million ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ruinous Zaiph raises his hand.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gruagach can buy it with his food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, some woman wants cords to be banned on window blinds'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they kind of should be tiger'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'child safety and all'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps we should just paint them stripey illuminous colours and put large warning signs on every slat?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but hey survival of the fittest right'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about those people with young kids..... buy curtains?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my blinds are automatic, no need for cords.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people arent smart enough to know those cords can kill children'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then those people probably aren't smart enough to be raising kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence natural selection'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm but normally the dumb ones are the ones having the most kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you suggest?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'window tint'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'banning the cords'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does banning the cords prevent stupid people from having the most children?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll take my blind cords from my cold dead hands btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i though we were talking about the cords in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say add more cords to them.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharpen them, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaiph: 'Add more cords. Make them more complicated. Make sure none of them open up the blinds.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'might as well ban toilets because toddlers can drown in them '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best ban chairs, toddlers might fall off them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'best ban conservatives, they might speak publically'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should ban toilets, nobody has a need for toilets in this day and age'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at the very least, have background checks for all bathroom and blind sales'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Elchanan, you can tell a conservative is speaking when it exudes contempt for anyone different [therefor assumed lesser] than itself. Just roll your eyes and move on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hope you don't have any blinds in your house, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nope. thay are all in front of your eyes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was expecting you to claim that you live in a yurt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of thing that haters do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Try NOT to anticipate TN, you do it wuith such bias that you will always look silly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm in good company'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to blend in, you know'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'The 'stupid people' your usual contempt referred to has included so many people who were otherwise quite bright, but did not anticipate all eventualities when buying products. Nothing wrong with society trying to help, except for the contempt of those who want to somehow feel superior, KNOWING it would never happen to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very well put, but unfortunately entirely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No, not ireelevent, revealing!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you bought high heels then broke your ankle trying to wear them, them fine, don't buy any more high heels, EVER, in your life. Even say that you h ate high heels because you hurt your ankles. '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Don't, on the other hand, try and make high heels illegal thus denying them to everyone else who is capable of wearing them responsibly'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Your constant contempt for others who are 'not you' is a kind of conservative calling card'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know the meaning of the word'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but by all means continue to entertain us with your bitter resentment of anyone not falling in line with the social programming you're playing out'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'well back to dinner for me. Gotta get ready to sign up for some Obamacare Tuesday! *!!*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus was the peek of the intellectual debate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I love the stock market.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should own stocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gruagach: 'i love the robo sells'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and dont buy freaking mutual funds.....you end up losing money easier compared to buying stocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'index etfs are good though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'does mudding do good things to your brain or bad things? i know it can damage the spine, and eyes. and trolling in bad english can affect your personality:P. but is it good for your mental health?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '"There's no difference between MUDs and MMORPGs" debate'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Virtually all municipal drinking water in the United States contains pesticide residues, and with the exception of organic foods, so do the majority of foods in the U.S. food supply. '
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there is no guarantee that organic does too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there is no guarantee that organic doesn't too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organic farms used filtered water for the most part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you people need to eat more chili peppers in your diet to help counteract the affects of those pesticides.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preaching to the choir, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that all the poison shit they put in the water and food tends to be allowed because of big corporations pouring money into the government backpockets to give them cover'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the Montsanto act that they're now trying to repeal after considerable backlash'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto needs to raise its dividend.......give more money to the shareholders!'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can do what it likes provided it stops abusing it's market position'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now it is 36.5 cents per share....monsanto increased it by 15% this year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er, it is 36.5 cents per share, and paid 2x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at $104 a share, i should bloody hope so, that's a return of what, 0.6%?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I luuuuuv monsanto stock price.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you bought em in mid 2010 maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I bought em in 2003'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for about $14 a share.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I see no reason to sell it, already made my money back by selling a few shares, so it is all gravy now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto has the right to protect its IP.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll continue to provide you a reasonable return, provided they don't get thrown under the bus in a giant anti-competition or bp-style pollution crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, their golden rice is going to revolutionize rice growing in Africa and Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the overhyped rice with fractionally more nutrition in it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also drought resistant, and capable of more easily handling the wierd temp swings in Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday Africa will be covered in a sea of rice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, have some yummy public school propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FO3NBqT3LBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cdPSqL9_mfM'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cdPSqL9_mfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--DcTM0GmRA'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is also developing a new cockroach, for the military.....it can eat into someone's body and then explode.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds good'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can use them on those pesky patriots'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto needs to come up with a new roundup'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or GMOs are going to be huge in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'how about basf of 3m? why monsanto?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could use doing some formal long term safety testing of their products'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than throwing it out there and hoping it doesn't affect the biosystem'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'or 3m'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'basf is not american, and 3m is a different kind of company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bayer aren't much better than Montsanto on these things, haven't heard of any specific slights committed by basf or 3m'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a pure biosciences company.....feeding the world, one seed at a time!'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'BASF doesn't make stuff.... they make it better'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose quote is this: "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'our fine leader and chief'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds good to me, just means my solar power will pay off that much sooner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours, fortunately not mine, we have alternative rubbish globalist stooges in charge'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you can have him'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wouldn't do too well here'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'lately he hasn't been doing well here'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter, you've hit critical mass insofar as all teh welfare claimants and illegals will vote for him '
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem here unless we can convince the Scots to piss off'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, 3m stock has been stagnant for the last 10 years, unlike monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'there is Dow agrisciences too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'mmm has been up 72% in past 5 years how is that stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10 years ago it was $81 a share...it dropped for 5 years before going back up to 120 now'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all it did was gain back ground it already had, whoopity do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'still not stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'monsanto on the other hand has not passed it highs since hit in 2008'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'p/e value is kinda high also....I prefer buying stocks that were 12 or under.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and has loss of like 2% over past 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pe on mmm is lower than monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a gravy train, bought it when it was $14'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, like some of the best investors, I prefer buying stocks in companies I understand :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should invest in tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can keep your stock market, i just want somewhere out of the way to live and be left alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'come to the US and disappear.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are thousands of abandoned cabins and homes up in the hills and mountains in various regions of the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomatoes are the definition of pure compound interest.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, DNC is $18.1 million in the hole and struggle to pay money owed'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple makes $350 on every iPhone 5C sold off contract'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the Conservative conference, chancellor George Osbourne promised that the next Tory government would run a surplus. Talk about delusional....'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure do hope they let the deadline pass.....'