T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Can safely say I'm not going to order parts from NCIX again.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: my Win7 laptop is connected by ethernet cable to the same router this PC is connected to. my laptop says "unidentified network, no internet access". does anyone know why this might be?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: both of them have worked flawlessly up to now & nothing has changed to my knowledge
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It's a not very useful suggestion, but for connection issues I've found it often works, have you tried restarting or at least logging on/off.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: doing that now, thanks. and googling too
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: Mush: mapper help> portallevel help says: Do not manually account for tiers . does it mean the portals dont adjust the level automatically or "don't you do it yourself manually"
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}(BANNED) Panzer Tech: no joy ...:(
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: reseat your cord
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: flip it around
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: replace it
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: all that good stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (BANNED) Panzer agrees!
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: try a different port on the router
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: unplug the computer that DOES work and use that cord and that slot on the router
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: anyone here with good experience to use Bast plugins that help me with eqsets one?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The River Styx Tech: Hwuaijijal, that means set your actual level, not your level plus tier bonus
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I am trying to do eqset, but I do not know how to start creating eqset name, get from some bag and all
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Anyone else have bast's plugins crashing on them (uptodate). First time something about equipment, and now bsst plugin asked to reload xbroadcast_spellkills. (this helped)
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: it happens to me on a somewhat regular basis. Restarting Mush usually helps.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: That's my experience too, and restarting or knowing the exact plugin thats the cause and reloading seems to help.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I think usually you have quite verbose error message
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: yeah this time the bast script pointed to the correct script, it didnt when my inventory crashed. Oh well it only seems to happen when I've let the client go for a long while.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaxz Tech: MUSHClient doesn't seem to have a terribly high tolerance for memory leaks.  I have to restart my client or reload plugins at least once a day or more
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: oh you said handsome devil in the aard hotel, I could have sworn it would be me.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: mis
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Alright, so I'm trying to do windows install, manually doing partitions. First time I ran the installer it only made 2 partitions, primary and reserved. Installer failed so I'm trying again and now it's wanting to make 4. Any ideas why?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: because it's already partitioned successfully and you don't need to make more (unless you want to)
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Except I deleted the partitions and cleaned the drive.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Obviously not, if it's still seeing the ones it made.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: It's not. It's making 4.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: THe first time it only made, and displayed 2.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: What installer are you using?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: The one that comes on the windows disk.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: When it asks you to partition, what are you telling it?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: I'm clicking on new, allocating the whole drive, and hitting apply. It warns that it might create addition partitions, I hit okay. The *FIRST* time I did this it only made 2, System Reserved and  Primary. Now I'm trying to again, and it's making 4 - Recovery, System, MSR, and Primary. 
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Between install attempts, I ran Diskpart from console and cleaned the drive.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: that's why it's doing it then - you deleted the base partitions on the drive when you cleaned it
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Except it was a clean drive before the first time.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: the other 2 were already there the 1st time, and you added 2 more.  Now it needs to create all 4.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: They were not there.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: After the first time there was exactly 2 partitions.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Then maybe that's why the original install failed.  MSR and recovery partitions are automatic on a windows install.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Well why would it be different between installs? It's not even the same names now.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Just because you couldn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there.  The installer will create the partitions it needs.  At this point, there's nothing there anyway, so it's not going to hurt anything to let it create.  I'm not sure what you're panicking about.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Okay, did I not mention that I cleaned the drive before the first attempt as well?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Even a brand new HDD comes with two small paritions already there, usually only a couple of backup/recovery partitions of a couple hundred MG's.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: No, you just said it was a clean drive, I was assuming "new".
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: It is new, but I ran clean from diskpart before installing. Apparently it must not have cleaned 2 other 2 drives then?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Either you did something different in the two cleanings, the installer failed the first time (which we already know) and needed something else, and it's operating properly this time, or it's failing both times, and you have a faulty install disk.  Either way, you're not going to know unless you tell it to proceed.  Extra partitions aren't the end of the world - you can always remove them later if you find you don't need them.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: I've done thousands of paritions and installs/reinstalls, and I've never had exactly the same partitions every time *shrug*  It's just a way for the installer to tell the disk where it wants stuff placed - I think you're stressing over something that's really insignificant in what you're trying to do.  As long as it's reading the size of the disk properly, and putting things where they need to go in relation to one another, you should be fine. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Hm, alright. I'm guessing clean couldn't see them the first time or something. Alright, well thanks for the info about the 2 extra partitions usuall being there regardless
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: That's possible.  You're welcome, good luck. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: And install is working this time too. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: anyone know a free spreadsheet program where i can name the columns (A, B, C, etc. to custom names?)
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: pretty much any
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: openoffice.org
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: can
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: can't use Google docs?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: google docs sucks
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: im on google docs now, (drive) cant figure out how
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: Depends on what you mean by "naming" columns.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: If you mean in terms of saying "Column Monkeys and Column Apples", then not much.  But by headers, you can easily manage that in any excel program
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rikitiki Takihisis nods at Xaeris.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: at least with google docs you don't have to worry about disseminating it, they'll happily scrape any usable data off it for you and sell it to their corporate parties and save you the hassle of having to have any share of the proceeds!
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: Glad to know you read the EULA.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts bows before Xaeris.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: then if you don't like gdoc, go with openoffice.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: OR, stop being a paranoid conspiracy nut?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: libreoffice!
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd suggest openoffice, pretty good
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you probably ought to retract that, xaeris
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: tossup between libre and openoffice, google offers nice services, but you pay in privacy
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: We call them "theorists" now, Xaeris.  Much more PC. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's not a theory when it's proven
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tano Tech: Google doesn't really sell user data. NSA spying might be a concern, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: I didn't know that the plural of anecdote was proof/data.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: of course it sells user data
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tano Tech: Are you thinking of a specific case?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it doesn't necessarily sell user-identifiable data, but it sells user data
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xaeris Tech: everyone sells your data.  Welcome to the 21st century
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tano Tech: I'll reiterate that: Specific case?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: OMG unplug your machines, someone's watching you!!11!!
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rikitiki Takihisis rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts pats Rikitiki Takihisis on her head.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: is there a wish to stop that taki?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: this is starting to roam from technical discussion to debate
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then your original retort should be "use google docs if the privacy issues don't bother you"
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Replacing A, B, C, with things like name, value, etc..
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: which would be accurate, not defamatory, nor retarded
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: I was informed a couple weeks ago that tech does not have a channel-specific topic restriction, Xantcha, the day they were discussing the build of different vehicle engines.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: perhaps not specifically, but it's still nice to have tinfoil-hat debates on the debate channel :P
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: As a former Imm, I disagreed, and even quoted the helpfile, but I got shot down with the proverbial K-cannon.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: just use microsoft works, everything else is gay
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Oxymoron
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rikitiki Takihisis nods at Insane Xantcha and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: which one is the command to see the id in the eq worn?
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: You mean all of them at once?  eqdata
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: thanks jhav
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Isafdar Tech: is it possible to color codes in mush client
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Isafdar Tech: copy*
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six-String Strazor Tech: Yes. it Is.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brun Tech: ctrl-d
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: ^
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i think you hit like shift+c or something
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Brun Tech: then ctrl-v
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: oh lol nm i lied lol
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: im using str:gsub("%a", string.upper,1) ... to make an item proper case but for some reason a name like NameName is not going correctly, any ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: can someone give advice
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Quadrapus stares at the sky.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Don't take a bath in gasoline.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MarulaBoom Tech: on?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Six-String Strazor is showing off his immense intelligence again. Impressive, isn't he.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: my aard got screwy after i went from pc to phone (mxit)...
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Six-String Strazor Tech: I'm out.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Turn tags off Neji
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: if xterm is activated on pc, when you go to mxit it lags
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: its not lagging. Show lot of other stuff..
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MarulaBoom Tech: like what stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MarulaBoom Tech: try "tags off"
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hyuuga Neji Tech: well that worked, thank you!!
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MarulaBoom Tech: np :)
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Anyone using Chrome to Phone extension should check out Push Bullet. Phone to Chrome and a bunch of other stuff.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm. I have to disable the Prompt Fixer plugin in order to see my main screen in MUSH... :\
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: yeah. that plugin is bugged near as i can tell, etzli
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what would you see without disabling it?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: you pretty much see no text in the main window in some situations
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the only issue I've heard of with that plugin is when people alias "p" to soemething else, but that was fixed later
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Its description says "To Fixes prompt at startup so triggers work consistently".
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Absolutely nothing. The commands will go through (as I can chat and whatnot), but all I get with it enabled is the local echo to the screen. I can spam "score" 100 times, and all I'll see is "score" 100 times, not the output.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, I've known that to happen lots when you enable a buttload of Bast plugins at once
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I had the same thing but with one of bast's plugins, no text at all until disable.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't have Bast's plugins.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i've seen it happen in vanilla installs of the mushclient package
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: checkversion: You are currently using Aardwolf MUSHclient Package version: r1773
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i think it is something to do with a person's prompt though i didn't test it enough to narrow down the cause
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I have a similar issue when using Cheezburger's Hour of Double plugin.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, I'm just using the vanilla. It's a secondary client when I don't have access to CMUD.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh. My prompts are set as: %c>Note read!%c
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ahh, looks like the text was changed, so it never sees that "p data" (or "prompt data") finishes
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, %c>Prompt: Note read!%c
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has triggers for rawcolor game prompt, rawcolor battle prompt, regular game prompt and "Battle prompt set to"...the battleprompt set to calls the "finish" function...that'd never get called since that text isn't in the command output
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: ah, useful info, but no fiendish
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Useful to know, wouldnt it be better if it relied on mxp vars, or is the prompt not in that data?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fiendish will get it the info :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mxp doesn't exist, and the prompt isn't available in gmcp
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Interesting. Will fix that on my end, then.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Ow, sorry im noobish, I thought we had mxp, but its gmcp
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: almost no plugins rely on the prompt...but unterminated prompts will mess with anchored (well-written) triggers
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: i mean, if your prompt ends in %%c then i don't there is a need to keep the plugin enabled
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so the prompt fixer plugin terminates your prompts
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: er %c
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right, that's the only job of the plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Okay, good, then I can safely remove it and not worry about it.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turlak Tech: anyone using blowtorch?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: i use it when im at work. whats up?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Can anyone help me out with a bitmask question? Send a tell.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: rofl, I love the second comment on http://stu.mp/2004/06/a-quick-bitmask-howto-for-programmers.html
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol wow..
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: the hubris
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Good thing I don't call myself a programmer :)
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, I had to google the term as I'm more network and was thinking netmask (which is still binary masking, but different as it's more constrained)...but it's just the way that standard diku stored values
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Ahh
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: its a type of bitmask.. thats where i picked up the idea of bitmask, though id practically used it previously just didnt have that term
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Yeah I understand everything here, I have a more specific question. Thanks though :)
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: makes sense for flags... way less complex indexing, but a little more obscure to write the queries for most devs
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Sorry, flags?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: ex. object flags, a collection of true/false bits
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Ohhh in the game. Gotchya
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: basically an enumeration in which one or more may be "set"
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: well the term flags is a coding term first, the game takes from that
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asterax Tech: Is there an easy way to make mush create a log file for every single day? if there is some page that has this info, feel free to just link it.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: set logging settings to automatically log to %E/logs/%d-%m-%Y.txt
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well just %d-%m-%Y.txt is important
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it'll write to whatever filename you have, so you have to make it change daily
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and then you'd need to have a timer that does CloseLog and OpenLog
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: idk how i set it up but i don't remember having to set timers
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: CloseLog () one one line, and the next line is OpenLog ("", true), and send to script
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: going by http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=993 & http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=9724 & http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=3195, all 3 of which Nick says it has to be done
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dochyel Tech: anyone know the specifics about phones and the touch sensitivity? I'm trying to make buttons and when I touch the screen it starts scrolling automatically. any suggestions besides using my PC?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Does the aardmapper store custom exits in the Aardwolf.db database or somewhere else?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: what client?
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: MUSH
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: .db
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i dont see it in the database
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Hmmm.... ok, guess I'll have to dig into the code.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: yes. cexits are stored in the aardwolf.db file
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i only see normal exits
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mr. Dash Tech: what are you using to open the db?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: 0h
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: sqliteman
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yep, they are stored there, found them.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: ahhh they are thrown in the exits table =/
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: anyone know of a plugin that creates buttons for commands?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: How do I "mark off" a certain path so that mapper won't use it to go from point A to point B?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: when I use xrt to go to reliquished tombs, it tries to run through the backstage pass drageren portal, but that has a no passdoor door
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: try purging the rooms
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: or the whole area in an extreme case
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dethronicus Tech: mapper lockexit I guess
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: hmm, i could try that I guess. thanks deth
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: sickerone, there is nothing wrong with the way the area is mapped. I simply want to redirect the mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: oh missread
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone know ruby?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: the language?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: used it a few years ago... dont remember much unfortunately
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: why not just ask the question?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i have an array called id_to, i perform 'tid_to = id_to' (which i assume copies it), then i do a bunch of tid_to.shift which deletes the first element in tid_to. However, elements in id_to are getting deleted as well
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm guessing somehow it's not creating a separate array and somehow is still linked to the original, but no idea how/why
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: should you not use rather rray.dup ?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: should you not use rather \rray.dup ?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: should you not use rather (at)array.dup ?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: sorry, I've missed @
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you may consider using clone depending on whether you need extra clone features or not (https://coderwall.com/p/1zflyg)
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: nod, doesn't make a difference here but thanks for tip!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: every time I go to Ascent it breaks my mapper :-( 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: How do you do that?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: well, when i RT AScent i pass a room - SilverMist Road - and every time i hit this room it breaks - I get a runtime error 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: actually it's anytime i just walk into that room - either with a RT or manually - it resulst in a runtime error and my mapper having to be reloaded 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try purging the zone
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Or you can delete the room
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: how do you delete the room? 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Right click on the room and select delete room in the mapper window
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: nope that didn't do it
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: deleted the room, walked back in the room, and bam, runtime error and mapper down
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I am wondering if your mapper db is corrupted. Try purging the whole aylor zone.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: yeah, try to remove aylor. my mapper does nothing wrong in those rooms.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: mapper purgezone aylor
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: will, no errors anymore
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: oh wait i didn't reinstall mapper 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: okay, it seems to be fixed 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: i thought it was ascent and i purged ascent yesterday, oh well, thanks a lot 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: in future, use "mapper find roomname"
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: in future of what? 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: if one room screws your db
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: He is referring to when an error occurs to see if the room is screwed up.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: oh, no i just didn't backtrack and thought it was in ascent that it kept happening because I kept rt ascent and it would error out 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: just my not paying attention - don't try to fix mush when you're half asleep is the lesson learned!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: if I made an alias to equip my portal, enter it, then "quest complete," would it work out well, or would it fire them all at once and screw something up?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: I have an alias set to "done" so when I fiish my quest I hold my portal, enter, and quest complete - works just fine so long as i'm in a room i can enter a portal 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: thanks Lilly
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: im using ubuntu and randomlly my screen started turning off while idle (after about 5 min) but when i go into my settings turn off screen is set to never, any ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your screen may have its own idle timer...if image hasn't changed in xxx time, go dark...also, aside from "turn off screen" setting, look for a screensaver, which may be "go black"
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keldrath Tech: that was interesting. "Attempting to restart MCCP Compression.." then a page of raw data
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe, nice
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what client?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keldrath Tech: mudlet
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: after qreset ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Well that's disappointing... installed the WolframAlpha CFD player, it came with the RotBrow trojan installer
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}U T T E R Nonsense Tech: Bonus!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}U T T E R Nonsense Tech: I installed my second gtx 680 yesterday and I turned the graphics to max in Final Fantasy XIV... I've been having a visual orgasm ever since
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: is it possible to move the input bar in mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: resize, yes, but move, I don't think so
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Izocinoc Tech: resize the width, or just the number of rows it displays?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: is mushclient easy to use for the VI?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: should ask on gossip or question, large audience of opnions.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: would anyone be able to give me advice with mushclient? I've never used it before and am VI, have been using vip MUD with Aard
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: I am new to muchclient my self, so i am no help
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: neither vi nor an expert, but if you have specific questions, i may be able to help
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: usually easier to just ask, and then keep an ear on tech to learn
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you get it from this site: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/downloadmc.htm
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: question is that once I open it, it says backing up database, and then gives a link to some website, but how do I actually get in to play aardwolf?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: between those two things, it tells you what to do...
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: um..ok I'll look again
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Notwalking Tech: has it appeared to connect to aardwolf at all?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Automated map database backup is now stopped. Screen reader users: To bypass the welcome screen and connect to the game, type "connect to aardwolf" without the quotation marks and then press enter. For more information about the package be sure to check out http://tinyurl.com/aardclientmanual
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would not connect to aard until you close the intro window, either using the mouse or by typing the text mentioned
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: well at the bottom it says times until next tick... is that mean it's connected?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did it read the welcome to aardwolf stuff?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: I don't see anywhere to type that with my screen reader, it isn't the easiest thing with jaws it seems
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's actually no "anywhere to type" with MUSHclient...it should always put your typing into the input bar
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: I don't see welcome at all
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh ok, let me try again
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so with MUSHclient in the foreground, try typing connect to aardwolf
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, it logged me in, but now shows tons of = : " , - etc. and then my stats under it, not room desc or anything like that
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: statmon?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: there are multiple windows with that version.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: "windows" 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: and now my vip MUD says for the tech and barter channels [chan ce] before the name of the channel, never had that happen before
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: it's mushclient turning on tags that your vipbud does not know how to gag
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok I got it fixed, it had something to do with automap being on, but mush must have turned that on bc I didn't lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: no, but  chan ce  is still there hmm..
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: mush turns on lots of features.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: help tags 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: the map is gone but the other thing isn't gone
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: tags off would turn all of them off
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: great, thank you lol, that was pretty annoying
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: so are there any special commands or anything I need to know about mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: you never answered to abes question, did you download it from that site?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: nah
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh sorry didn't see the question, which site?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: tech -h abe
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he did get it from the right place...vanilla mush wouldn't turn on tags, etc
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: nod
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: not sure, got it from aardwolf.com I thought, or through there anyway
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unicorn: you'll want to get familiar with the mapper help commands
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: right place
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok I'll look at it now, but am I able to turn automap off on mushclient or no? I find it very..disrupting and annoying
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'll want to open up the plugins window and disable the Aardwolf_Ascii_Mapper plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can open the plugins window by going to file -> plugins, or by using ctrl-shift-p
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: which file did u say i needed?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'd want to turn off aardwolf_ascii_mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: aardwolf_ascii_mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: so is that an option or a file?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: nod
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Unicornbaby nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: ctrl-shift-p turn off that from list
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: k thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: do I first need to sign onto aard with mush to use the control+shift+p command?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: it's mushclient command, so no
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, I think it worked, that's all I have to do then?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: until next problem comes up
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: well...I did have one other question lol, One of the main reasons I'm switching to mush.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: anyone know of a miniwindow tracker for cps for mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: you mean like bast or winklewinkle?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: don't know of one, but I've heard that there is one
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: winkles, thats the one i was trying to remember, ty
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: aren't those both players? lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: players make scripts/plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: finger them and you get address to find their plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger that player to see their website
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast has a buttload of plugins, winkle has a few
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: winkle has 1 where u can hunt cp mobs?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: winklewinkle has AWESOME mapper extender that allows you to runto any area with shortest path. which mapper doesnt do 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: nice, does that make it to show the map though even if automap is off?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, mapper does do it, it just doesn't accdept the areaname as an argument...if the mapper didn't do it, then mapper extender wouldn't work ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper is different than automap
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: ha ha abe :P
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: automap is just the ascii display that Aard sends out...the mapper is a database of rooms and exits
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: and portals
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ahh I see, I just don't like all the symbols automap shows lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: which is an exit
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: portals are just a method of exits :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'll want to keep the mapper loaded, and leave automap off...yeah, the symbols do nothing for a screen reader
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, so the map for cp is on his website?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: but from those I would choose winkles extender. bast has little to offer to vi player
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not true
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one of bast's plugins is a driving force for unicorn trying mushclient ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: I said little
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: not not at all :P
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a huge number of VERY good scripts is not little
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: yeah yeah, semantics
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what script is the reason?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: many of his scripts are just as valuable to VI as sighted
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this particular one would be the rearm
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: others would be all of his equipment stuff, planes mobs, etc
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: are the names of his scripts specific so I'll know which one is for cp's?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: both players have their plugins well documented
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: and what do I do once I download it?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: sorry for so many questions btw
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: even his statmonitor stuff would be good for VI
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: both winkle and bast store their stuff on google code, so you'd go to the downloads tab and download it from there
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: not sure if you like it, but finger pei for nice amount of sounds to play with...it's for mush
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: yes, but once it's downloaded, do I need to open it or do anything with it, or is it already setup with mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tbh, I'd prolly go with winkle's sound pack over pei's
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle's is actually designed for VI
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: so would I. because winkles scripts are awesome!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pei's is just for atmosphere
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: and with mush, how do I use rearm?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for bast's stuff, he has all his scripts in one zipfile...you'd unzip that to be a folder called "bast", and put that "bast" folder into the MUSHclient\worlds\plugins folder
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for winkle's stuff, you'd put the individiual files into the MUSHclient\worlds\plugins folder
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oye vay!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and for both of them, you'd use that ctrl-shift-p to open the plugins window, click "add" and then select the plugin file that you want to add
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: and it will be good once it's in the world folder?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: omg I'll never be able to do this on my own lol, too much involved
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: once you load it, AND SAVE FROM MUSH!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I run MUSH through WINE and cannot get either copy or paste working properly. Any ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: aizma: try closing MUSHclient and reopening it
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: I'm gonna kill my quest mob really quick and then try to figure this thing out with Winkle's script
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: just remember, all winkles plugins respond to command ww help
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok.. and when will I need to use the ctrl shift p command?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: to add the plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: to add and enable the plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: k, I'll let u know how I do lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: just read winklewinkles google code page. it tells you everything
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: crap died!
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Nuanse: why do you think my plugins have little to offer to a VI player?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: anyone here? lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Unicornbaby laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie begins to talk about how he wants to have babies... odd.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: is abelinc or anyone on?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: as I said earlier, Just ask. Even though you dont hear answer right away. You will get heard and see answer at some point. 
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: yes lol
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: well I went to the website, and is the search and destroy triple pack the one I want?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: ywa
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, will download now
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: notice that there is couple vi packs there. so make sure you try them out
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: they are not required. but they sure do help your playing
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, i'll try them out if I can figure out this one out first lol, it saved to my downloads folder, so then unzip it to the aardwolf folder?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: to the aardwolf plugins folder
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: k
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: unzip to plugins folder
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: then load it (ctrl-shift-p) and if it works. save.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: control shift p from script folder?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: in mush
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: before I actually sign onto aard though, right?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: you can install plugins when ever. even when you are logged in or even not
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: is saving the scripts the control shift p command? I did that and it brought up the aski mapper thing
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: wha?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: that key command brings up plugins window
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: in mush
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: when I did that command in mush, it said something about aski mapper, is that not right, and do I have to do anything else to save the scripts?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: I have no clue, ascii mapper is a plugin so it could show up if you didnt save earler when you remove it
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh ok I see that now, brought up seperate plugin window and asking me for my player name to sign in.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: so i should log in now, guess it's saved?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: one last question, how do I use the rearm trigger with mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: anyone know how to use the rearm trigger with mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh yay, with mush script I can hunt cp mobs, right?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: it will tell you which one is your cp mob because you can't hunt it
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: vip MUD does that too, hunt num.mob and then use where, but I thought u can actually hunt with this script I downloaded?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: the search and destroy script?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: simple answer yes, long answer it uses the hunt trick to find the mob, does a where on the mob then goes to the room for you to kill it
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: and if there are multiple rooms of the same name it will go to them one at a time until you find the mob
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh so it actually takes u to the room once ur in the area?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: i don't know how that specific script works but i would think yes
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: or you have to tell it to go to the next room on the list, and it will go
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok thank you, and do you know anything about the rearm trigger?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: nope sorry
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: nuanse on?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: anyone remember how to change which channel your statmonitor for bast goes to?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: didja try statmn help?
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/StatMonitor
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: didnt know that was a command thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Hello, everyone. In a few months I want to start a small Indie company. I want to build an App like WhatsApp or Bbm but focused on dating. what programs will I need to build it? It'll be build for Blackberry, Nokia and Pc platforms. Any help will be greatly appreciated, kind folks.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: anyone?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elysian shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: why make an alt just to ask this?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: an 'alt'?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: alt?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Seriously. This so sucks!
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Any body know of a database app for android where i can store info of different lvl equipment, then compare it with eq when it pops up on market or auc?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: every time i close mush it complains that it can not save the plugins stat... any ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Domovoy Tech: is there any way to save history of commands in mush client when i close (alt+f4) client?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: domovoy: you can log the commands typed, or use something like GetCommandList() function, but those just save it for posterity, don't let you resume like you never exited...in order to do that, you would need to get a bit more fancy using PushCommand() on the saved list to shove them into the empty command list on opening MUSHclient
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and now that I see he's been off for an hour, I'll paste that into a note :P
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tormat: check whether or not it has permissions to save the state files, which are in MUSHclient\worlds\plugins\state folder...also make sure that MUSHclient is *NOT* in program files or program files (x86)
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: anyone running mush from dropbox? I get an error every tiem i close saying it can't write the status files
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I do, but I've never encountered that problem.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: running plugins?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Yep.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: makes mapping a bit of a chore.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Hello everyone
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: I want to build a Instant Messaging App. Would learning Java and Xmpp be the only thing I'll have to learn?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: ...
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Depends - do you want any old im, or a good one? It's a pretty silly question, tbh - if you don't know how to program it's an enormously ambitious project
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Finally a response! Thank you for responding. Don't worry about me, I'll manage. I need to get as much info as possible. I need it to be a good app.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Wait. What is the diffirence between good and old?
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You can whip up an im with a few lines of any language you want - but it will suck. That is what I meant by 'any old im'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "Finally a response!" -- You do realize that it had only been less than 2 minutes since you asked your question, right? Sorry not everyone is at your beck and call when you ask a question, especially at 10 minutes to midnight.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I can guarantee you right here and now any im app you make is going to suck compared to the vast, vast majority of the literally hundreds of alternatives on offer. You 'need' it to be a good app? You aren't making money on this, let me tell you
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Captain HR Vakieh.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Lets go with the good one then, Vakieh. Please. 
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: They have been in development for decades, by people who don't just grab the specific domain knowledge required, but rather have been studying app development extensively
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: It's six a.m in South Africa.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: A majority live in the States, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: If you are bent on doing this, go to uni for 3-10 years, build a team of similarly qualified people, and then start coding
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Unfortunately.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Guys, lets be possitive here! Come on!
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: This is positive - you are fumbling in the dark trying to make the next facebook? Better to pop the bubble early
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: All I'm saying is don't be so hasty to expect a response. Type 'domains', and you'll see where people are at. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: If the question had an answer beyond 'don't do that' there would have been more rapid answers
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And Vakieh's right - unless you can offer something so extraordinary that no other device offers, well, you're better off having this as a school project.
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: So, I should gather enough money. Hire real programmers. And let them build the App. Well, I thought that making it a dating app would call a lot of peole
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Because there aren't eleventy billion dating im apps...
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You *will not* make money from this, period
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nah, Vakieh. There's only tenty billion.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Eleventy billion hasn't been reached yet.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: Not in African countries.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't know, a quick search shows several already.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: http://south-africa.singlesaroundme.com, for example.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Flirtz, letsmeet, datingbuzz, there are bucketloads
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Captain HR Vakieh.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: FUCK!!!!
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's pretty much a given that whatever you've thought of, others are years ahead of you on the same path.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: uh, language? This is a nocurse channel
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Language, please.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's not polite to curse on channels such as this.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it's not polite to curse, period.  That's why it's referred to as vulgarity.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: hurry though, since you've mentioned that great idea on a public channel, those of a idea-thieving ethnic group are likely going to implement that idea and grab the profits for themselves - xchan
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: what makes internet companies successful isn't so much the ideas but the management and execution...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Most likely he's an alt, though. Created just today (most likely 23 minutes ago, too)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: alt?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: most ideas are actually plentiful and obvious to enough people to the point of being worthless in itself. Unless you're talking about hard sciences dealing with the actual structure of the physical world, human body, etc.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yes, MonkeyAsh.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: what is an alt?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: an alt is a alternate character of a person... often have main... then one or more alts.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: huh... surprisingly, there's no alt helpfile...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: So, you guys have any suggestions?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: not even a mention in either of those two common-abbreviations helpfiles Rhuli put together?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: yes. Go to school.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not Guilty Kojiro Tech: i think you mean rumour
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if somebody says an idea is no good, or that you are unlikely to implement that idea - be wary - those naysayers may be readying to pilfer the idea for themselves
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: whatever, with a little imm magic, they all look the same to me.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, not even in any of the slang files.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MonkeyAsh Tech: I'll be quoting that from now on, Zade.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: hello
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: yes, we are the "computer smart" people :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: any computer smart people here that can help me please
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Whoa Read their mind
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: i have a program thats not  showing in the computer add/delete area its in notifications how can i delete that program
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: using windows? - what's the applications name?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Virus scanner, usually. Other than that delve into Program Files, usually a bad idea for a newbie
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: windows 7 and otshot
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://forums.anvisoft.com/viewtopic-45-5837-0.html
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: otshot is an adware payload virus
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: its a photo program
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It pretends to be a photo program, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: and it added a virus to your comp
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: So like I said, virus scanner. Microsoft Security essentials, Malwarebytes, CCleaner
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: first hit on google for "otshot"...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: OtShot its technically not a virus, but it does exhibit plenty of malicious traits, such as rootkit capabilities to hook deep into the operating system, browser hijacking, and in general just interfering with the user experience. The industry generally refers to it as a PUP, or potentially unwanted program.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: so how do i get rid of it
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: visit the link i gave
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: google get rid of otshot
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: a lot of pups around here...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: http://malwaretips.com/blogs/otshot-removal/
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hmm... if you end tasks with the task manager... how do you get a frozen task manager to end its own task?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Power button
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nemasess Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: I thought you could have multiple instances of the task manager. I could be wrong.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Apparently not.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: if you can't, use Process Explorer which can be gotten by using google for Sysinternals and downloading the file.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: Sysnternal is a series of apps unofficially supported by MS.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: People who write stuff like otshot must be interesting
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I was thinking an external PE would work... gotta get PE again.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: they should get a life, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: sentence them to hard labour then euthanise them
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: I am satisfied with Process Explorer, all the functionality of Task Manager plus a few more things. But, whatever works.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: that would be to kind
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnailBot Anaristos Tech: been using versions since XP
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWORgOyCdys <- a great insight in the shady world of malware programming
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: Etzli, here is their hope page: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I used PE way back when, but then securom declared it a hack against them. Suddenly no games worked with it installed (not just running, *installed*)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But then securom got the boot, and MS bought Sysinternals, and now it's much better
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Captain HR Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone wanna make me a working kernel+initramfs in exchange for some trivia point tokens? x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: how many TPs we talking
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: hmmn, how many would be fair?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: couple hundred i guess at least =P
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Derendo Tech: any way to not have to hit space after a command using swype on my tablet?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: i was crying after i installed steam on my computer and noticed that portal works on linux but portal2 does not :'(, on that note, anyone know anything about steamOS not released on the steam site yet?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If things like that make you cry, maybe you need to get a life :P
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: my life is not having a life!
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: anyone using winkles s&d give me some help on the mapper?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: I am trying to add portals and suck and the mapper command is not recognized.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what am i missing
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I'm suddenly getting this after retrieving an item from a bag (which i retrieved before that without errors)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Trigger function "invmon" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: close and reopen, one of your eq plugins borked itself
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Any idea which one?, I'd like to try to fix it without closing the entire client :)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Is there some issue with closing and opening the client? I don't know what eq plugins you use
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Just standard latest aard + latest bast (only a few though)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Well in that case it's probably Bast's eq broadcaster - but who knows if it's affected any other plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: Thanks I'll try fiddling a bit.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Just confused as the time taken to investigate is magnitudes more than the time to just close and reopen...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: dont have to log off just kill client (keep your keys that way)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aduin Tech: I like to know what happens under the hood :)
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: how do you see the room number?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Client?  Mush is mapper thisroom.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Whee! My RSA encryption script is going well, and once I figure out coroutines and a couple minor bugs, it'll be complete!
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what are you encrypting/
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Plaintext. It's not designed to be super-secure, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's a little challenge I was given, to see if I could write it for CMUD.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: mud text?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Tormat.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: premiss?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Send encrypted messages (either via channels or notes) and be able to decrypt them. :D So instead of "hello world!" you might get "602 1505 3321 3183 852 8532" :p
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: so, you are building boths ides.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've written the encryption part, and ultimately, need to work out the bugs on the decryption itself. But I can generate a key nicely.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: cool
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: the essential reason is to share strategies on how to farm bugs and get around botchecks.  It behooves the involved parties to communicate in a way that IMMs would not be able to easily snoop.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: print(rsa_getkey()) -> p: 47, q: 23, n: 1081, e: 19, d: 799, phi: 1012 :D
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: along with bots, it's pretty much the oldest type of uh-oh script people ask for on the zuggsoft.com scripts.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i sued to work on those forums
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There needs to be no hidden agendas in scripts such as these.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: did you win?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And should an Imm ever ask, it's quite easy to give them the code/decryption key for it.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i said i worked on them... isnt that to defination of loosing
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A Piece Of Herodotus cackles gleefully at Arnica.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And besides, there are MUCH easier ways to discuss bots and whatnot outside the MUD.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Tormat: The joke went over your head. You said "I sued"... so did you win?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thats what i get for not reading my text.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, now if you use a double-cipher code which decrypts to an innocuous text with one key and the nefarious text with another key...
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli cackles gleefully at you.  Better keep your distance from him. 
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Why on earth would people communicate like that... on the mud? There are a million and one alternatives
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Honest! It just says, "Lasher's a super-cool dude!"
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: By the way, the script itself is not limited to just MUDding. The script is completely written in Lua, so though I was asked about making it work in CMUD, it's not client-specific.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nod, its always the logic thats the "hard part" not the syntax
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: I think he is doing it so Kojiro can write notes no one can understand
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So far, it's 106 lines of code.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: lets hope
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: mostly for pk reasons.  Some players in some games look for ways to screw the other side over in ways that are either obviously against the rules or at least in such bad form that the authorities would probably make it illegal just because someone raised the activity from an unfortunate novelty to a really unfair tactic.  And then there's the rule about english only on public channels.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh please. I'd write it just so I could talk smack about Kojiro and he'd never know.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Whoever said it would be used on public channels?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, cuz teamspeak, skype, AIM, google hangout, etc wouldn't do it better
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And it falls quite within the realm of English, too.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's just encrypted. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Though I really want to look into AES encryption, too.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And send Awe2Ys... etc :p
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Have Megan Kelly read it. No one intelligent will hear it.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: go all out and make the encryption type a choice
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ciphers aren't english...they can be translated back into english...but so could german/etc
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hush, Abelinc! 52342 is English. Say it out loud... Five. Two. Three. Four. Two. English! :p
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli beams with pride at Tormat.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: if it were english, you could use it on a public channel without fear of reprisal.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: english char set :P
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yeah, should just be a change to the pipe/dll/whatevs to plug in a new encryption scheme
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: many languages are english char set...they're still not legal
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: My phone number is %#)-#!!% -- decipher that! :p
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: erm..
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Nice work Etzli
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I had a friend that did his ICQ numeber that way, actually. It was something like: *%@#)(%%. People couldn't figure it out. Seriously, it's the symbols above each individual number.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: having trouble setting up bast version of statmon, how to you set the channel to report on?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: https://code.google.com/p/bastmush/wiki/StatMonitor
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: on the site... missing something.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the bottom of the page tells you everything
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: how do you set the variables?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: do i hard code them in the plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you'd never hardcode variables...type statmn help
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and then you can type "statmn <command> help" to see more specific help
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: got it now... could of sworn i tried that earlyer, works now
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: prolly did statmn help <cmd> instead of statmn <cmd> help
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: linux blah blah blah
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: rabble rabble
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hmm, is that supposed to be the hamburgler or schnitzel?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: the hamburglar is thy lord, and he sayeth unto thee robble robble
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: test
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fail
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Moo
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: nah it works, thanks for participating :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: baaaaa
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the tech channel is temporarily out of order
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: please go elsewhere
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Bad angel Ghaan goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: ?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: If you'd like to participate in another test, you can use a social.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: looking for a linux for dummies tutorial lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You fluffle Bad angel Ghaan mercilessly, making his fur a terrible mess.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: google on linux cookbook
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, try "Linux for Dummies" then...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: Great, thanks. Tech channel is now on backup on my drive.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: on backup?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: As as you do backup of all channels :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oh, logged
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Cain killd Abelinc drops a log on the tech channel to show Ghaan how an emote looks
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: The cookbook looks useful btw ty
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: it is :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: there is also a cookbook for security stuff, is interested... it's pretty descend as well
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ooo cool
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: if you are a sysadmin it might be interesting, for me it does :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: bit afk, busy with reporting
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: So, linux is actually on unix os?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: unix-like
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It is a derivative
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ahh
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: also, linux is just a kernel. the os would be gnu/linux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lykaioru Tech: GNU being 'gnu's not unix'xd
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Nobody says gnu/linux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Captain HR Vakieh.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It's the instant identification of a Rabid Open Source Nerd :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: neither do i, but it's nice to know the difference
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i run windows on my desktops :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: i run windows in parallels on my macbook
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: My friends are all skills techs, they both went to school and got 4.0's so its hard keeping up with what they are talking about 
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: One was in the marines for 7 years as an engineer
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: just skilled in openvms and windows
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: linux/unix is little skilled
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: So thats one reason why im learning linux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: try using centos 5, nice linux distr.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: technically you're learning gnu :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I wouldn't recommend RPM based linuxes, debian is so much nicer and more wide spread.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: gentoo!
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I like LMDE, or just vanilla debian.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Probably the easiest transition would be Ubuntu with Unity - closest look and feel to Windows/Mac
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Vanilla for servers, of course.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: never tried that
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: vanilla debian on a headless machine ftw
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: is ubuntu and debian 2 diff things?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: desktop linux sucks hard
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: No, it doesn't, it rocks hard.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: tuxx the game is nice on desktop :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Ranrr, you live in the command line, you don't desktop :-P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: people who use linux on desktop have the stockholm syndrome :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: whats wrong with that?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Desktop linux has everything windows desktop has, and more. Except a few programs that are only available on windows. But that has nothing to do with a bad desktop.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's bad. inconsistent at best
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: you can always setup a terminalsession on the gui
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Something about a command window makes me feel cold and alone. Like the blinking line is mocking me 
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Eh... and windows is consistent? Since when?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes, some desktops have some good ideas, but the implementation is usually bad
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i had ie on my linux desktop
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: why you should do that :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: incorrect syntax, you cant type proper english you idiot! and all that
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: state site i had to use only accepted ie
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Spoof the browser string
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: what vakieh said
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: who me?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: unless it uses activex. then you're screwed
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: i'm not english
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I was talking about myself there btw
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: allright, sorry
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: lol no worries
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: The windows desktop would be ok to use, if it was customizable. I have my own set of shortcuts I've been using for 20+ years, and on windows, there is no way to configure them.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That, and a lack of package management, makes windows really painful for me.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i miss the simple things on windows, like tail, diff, cat...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, that too. Lack of a command line is a no go as well.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Cygwin
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Windows seems like a gaming os to me.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i use cli apps on another machine via putty
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: there are tools for all of that on windows, but its a hassle
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yes its a hassle
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: No package management, afaik?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: yeah you're right about that, nothing great anyway
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Lol. Because setting up a *nix box is a walk in the park :-) There's things *nix does well, but simple is not it
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: updating different apps can be annoying, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Installing something as simple as python, a c compiler, a text editor or a lamp stack is a bitch without a package manager.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: it just takes time it shouldnt need to
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lykaioru Tech: doing that without a mackage manager is masochistic ...why do you even suggest it ? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lykaioru Tech: package*
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Because some people seem to think that windows is so great, and linux sucks. I am trying to explain why I disagree. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: strawman
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i said linux desktop sucks
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: All things I said apply to a desktop, imo.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: which is true. i enjoy aptitude on debian think it's great
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: by linux desktop, do you mean the gui?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Ezriel.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i find windows shell much more usable and convenient. of course, when we talk about development and cli, linux wins hands down
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: its getting better though
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but i would never install it as a desktop. have to servers for these purposes
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I think civ4 was programmed in python
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, I am a developer. For regular people (my mom), I would recommend a mac instead.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: debian with a nice gui :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: FreeBSD with a nice gui.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: windows is just not stable enough, and attracts lots of virusses
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: debian with screen
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Ekster did.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I'd imagine the virus part is more due to percentage of users though
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: windows hasn't really crashed for me for a long time
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and i haven't gotten any viruses
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've broken dpkg infinitely more times than i've gotten viruses :D
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: my own fault, ofc
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: yeah.. windows is probably the most stable os
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: if you are not on the internet, windows works fine :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: but yeah, if you download nonexistent gta 5 pc version from the pirate bay you deserve some viruses
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( not sure if quad is trolling or not :\ )
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lol agree
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: i mean, without plugging in a network cable, windows is stable
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: er... you know that a lot of internet servers are windows based right? :p
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I wont download software illegally, thats just my personal preference though.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I've never has a virus, but I still get blue screens from windows regularly, even with win7. Barely ever use it, but still get the blue windows. Not as much as with win95 and 98, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: well there is vmware :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you must be doing something wrong :p
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't know the hell you're doing if you get regular bluescreens :D
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i can't even remember when i last saw a bluescreen
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Last time I got it from inserting a usb stick into my boss' computer.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: actually not trolling. im not a windows fan, but it runs on more machines and hardware platforms than anyone else and it does a good job
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: usually when i see bluescreens it means some hardware is gonna die soon
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( still not sure if trolling :\ )
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i like windows more than mac anyway
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: we have vmware and on our esx, we have virtual windows servers installed
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if for nothing but compatibility with shit
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I'd say nearly 99% of BSOD on non-new installs mean dying RAM or OS partition
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: To be fair, windows and linux (and any other OS) pretty much only crashes due to bad drivers.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Or broken HW.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: nod, but spam as well, if you dl a lot from torrentsites
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: If you download on the dodgy without using a Cyber Condom, you can't blame the OS
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, that is only a windows problem. On linux, that doesn't happen unless you are doing it as root.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: the hell does that mean?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Nor on macos.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mac has a few viruses, but the vector is usually java or flash
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: same thing with windows tho. just more exploits around
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the reason windows has more viruses is probably just that more targets use it :p
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, not needing expensive antivirus sw is nice.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't pay for av software...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: between two equally (in)secure systems, the one with more users is going to get hit a lot more often, I'm guessing...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or free antivirus sw...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: MSE is quite adequate and nothing protects against stupidity
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Is there free av sw available for commercial use that is as good as the non-free?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: users with av are more than willing to ignore all warnings if they're promised pictures of cats
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ranrr - MSE
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, not needing av sw that takes up system resources is nice, free or not :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I'd go so far as to say the free ones are wildly better than the paid AV
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yeah, i really miss that 70K of ram mse is currently hogging
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: well try nod32 pretty descend... you might find it on a newsserver
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: newsserver?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: newsgroup then
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you mean "go pirate your antivirus from usenet"? great idea
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: nothing says "protection" like a pirated av
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: talking av for win?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Why do I need a new AV when MSE + Malwarebytes handles, well, everything?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: it's better then nothing on windows
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But I don't have nothing
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: security essentials is good enough for most people
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I have MSE + Malwarebytes
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I dont know if any free av is really 'free', but maybe im just paranoid.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: well i hate that appl.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: using sophos, works fine for me
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: pirated AV is worse than nothing
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: if you have the right connections, these AV are pretty trusty :)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no it's not
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: yes it is, i don't dl an av froms omeone i[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: oops
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's like getting a free lock from a burglar
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: Even under Windows, create regular account not admin and do not allow any weird program to use administrator privileges. And you're pretty safe (unless there is security hole for nsa that gets misused by some virus)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: i only dl from certain people, then it's safe enough
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Ekster did.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Well most every program asks for admin on 7.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Even simple things like 7zip
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: during install yes but i doubt during regular use
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you need elevated privileges to install in program files, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: ...and note I'm Linux guy, I use Windows because.... well, my laptop doesn't work well with Linux drivers :D
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: anyway, i don't trust my clients with just the antivirus. i also use software restriction policies. apps and drivers can only be loaded from program files or windir
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: if they need anything they call me and i'll set them up via remote connection
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: That is a sound strategy.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: I would do the same
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm, can i install debian alongside ubuntu? 
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bad angel Ghaan Tech: You need different partitions, though. Or VirtualBox/vmware
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: you're not ready for debian if you ask that
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: The guide im using uses debian as the basis of the lessons
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ubuntu is pretty much the same, just with more fluff
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Alrighty.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: ubuntu is like a ghetto-tuned debian. just stupid spoilers and spinning rims added
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: does it hop at stop lights?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Ubuntu is like a Debian for those people who don't *particularly* feel like dealing with 100% of the nitty gritty 100% of the time
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: yes, and you wish it would stop
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: no Redhat?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: lmao
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: rpm distro? never!
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: rpms are dead
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: yummmmmmmmmmmmmm
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: debian is very (some say too) conservative, but ubuntu is all about breaking things with raw cutting edge bollocks
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I don't want raw bollocks
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: cutting edge bollocks
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: "hey, steve, i have this new design idea, but it's not quite ready yet". "doesn't matter, throw it in. we'll fix it 5 versions from now"
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: tech 
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}A Piece Of Herodotus Tech: right you are
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: tech check complete :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Ahh, software center puts things in usr/share
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Which is under devices, not home. boo no wonder i couldnt find it
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: woo /look
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: hmm
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: using tintin in terminal
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i like tintin
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: but the line that shows what im typing moves when ppl come in how annoying
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: is moving
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe there is a aard setup for it
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: What do i do with the files after i extract them?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: should be directions, but you need to launch and load the setup.tin file (i think that sis)
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thats it.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There is a README file, and if you need help, talk to ixle, he's patient with newbies :D
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ok ty
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i modified it for wintin
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: do i load the setup file from within tintin?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you can, but its easyer to add it to the command line
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I guess im trying to figure out where to put the setup.tin and all the other files at.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: my guess is in the same folder as the exe?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: left min in a folder
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: and set up an alias in bash something like mud = tintin and the path to the setup file...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: long as you path them in the setup or are relitive to the setup
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: By setup you mean the text document?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nod, i wrote another one called it by the name of the other mud i play
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: but its mostly the base config
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: dont put too many aliases in that one.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ok so i had to just be in the dir the file was in to load it into tintin, so im assuming -G is a command to... pipe a file to an exe or something?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: This setup looks quite nice btw
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: So now i gotta figure out how to get the multi-terminal program to work so i got a map lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: well it looks cooler with it anyways.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: who
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: went afk but it sounds like you are getting there with titi
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: tintin
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Now I gotta figure out how to start tintin in tmux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: im trying to use password_hash() in php but when i put in ["cost" => #] its giving me a syntax error and nothing shows on the page, anyone have ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: whats the full error?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: its not actually sending an error, just not showing anything, im doing it on a page without an error handler
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: sweet figured out how to use tmux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: lol, give up on tintin?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: The readme is very helpful, im just a silly for taking so long
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Really, i figured it out
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe, ok :P
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I loaded the setup file and got the minimap in tmux
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: and edited the setup file so i dont gotta type aardwolf.org 4000
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HelperMan Hadar Tech: woooo error reporting is not even working!
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: But yeah, couldnt have done it w/o the reading the readme lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ty for your help btw
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe, np
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Think im starting to understand the difference between linux and windows and how they use files, very informative.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: fun
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Or tools rather lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Now i gotta find out how to make macros in tintin
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Ah there it is
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hit the site, its got ok support, but its really easy
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: never got to db support for it though
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: lazied out.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm affects dont wanna work nooo
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Is there a way to limit the length of lines?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: not sure
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: hmm, anyone know why tintin isnt remembering macros?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you didnt write them to a file
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: did you write them in the cl?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: yeah i did it in the client
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i always found it easest to write them in a file and then #read file
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: alright
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: but there is a way to write them out after you build them...
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: So id put #macro key command  in a file and load it?
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i just added the #read filename in my setup file so it will auto load evertytime
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: good idea 
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I feel like im reverse engineering something lol
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: it does do a few things backwards, but its really clean and simple.
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Blockbuster has busted.
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Anyone fairly knowledgeable about digital image processing?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: what do you mean by processing
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: If you don't know what DIP is, I'm probably not talking to you :p
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Well I have a wide range of skills, I may know what you're talking about in other terms
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: giggles
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Doubt it. I'm given an image that has been equalized using pointwise adaptive histogram equalization with block size N*N. I'm told to figure out what N is. What do I do?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: google it =)
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: That's what I would do haha
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: -_-
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: does anyone know how I would reset my stats on here? It's been so long I've forgotten how to play c.c
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: what do you mean reset your stats?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: the only real way to to delete your character and restart... faster to just superhero and remove at your level
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Well I just wanna redo the academy, like i've never been to it
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: you woul dhave to delete your character if you already done it, or create an alt and go through the academy
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Yeah i would rather do that, but I want some better equipment and stuff so I have a fighting chance to go out and kill on my own
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: i suggest making an alt and go through the academy goal and then come back to this one.
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: that sounds like it would be a good option, though I don't wanna clog up the database with another inactive user
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: if you really really hate your current character you can "recreate" it
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: I don't hate em, I just think my gear sucks for my level lol
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: easiest fix is to buy some from an enchanter =)
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: You're in dragbie range. You can safely be naked.
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: dragbie?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: get a superhero to drag you to level 200
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sylra Tech: and remort and start again a little buffer,
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You can't clog up the database with lowbie chars, they get archived very quickly if unused - still available, but not in the 'normally accessed' database of pfiles
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Ahh smarty smarty
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ledunte Tech: Ok i've asked about this on question and newbie, but no answer. I googled and found nothing. Last tine I played aardwolf, there was a command that you typed followed by room name and then it would return all the rooms with that name. Then i would type the comman followed by run and then room name and it would speedwalk to that room. If the room was reachable within a certain amount of moves. I think it was run, not sure about that part though. Pleas, Please, Please help
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: type mapper help
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ledunte Tech: is mapper only available on mush clients? Isn't it possible on the android application by example?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: only mush
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: most modern clients have a mapper built in, not blowtorch as far as i know, though
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: definitely not only mush
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ledunte Tech: Though the results are dissapointing, I've found what I've been looking for so thank you very much
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: but the mapper he is talking about is on mush
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ledunte Tech: my phone Is the android galaxy pocket and I'm running the aardwolf application directly. ais there a command similiar to the one I mentioned?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: fine, most modern clients have something called a "mapper" that does functionally the exact same thing as the mush plugin called a "mapper"
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: better?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ledunte Tech: I don't know how modern mine is. But there is nothing I can see pretaining to or even similar to the mapper command
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: as i said, as far as i know there's no mapper in blowtorch, sorry
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ulgaanne Tech: what key board do you guys recommend for playing on an android ? 
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Boston RedSox Tech: 99 bucks for an xbox 360 120 gb hd decent deal?
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Not really - we were selling those for about AU$50 about 2 years ago
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: learning to manipulate tintin is tough since i'm spoiled on flashy premade gui's
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm wonder how i get #map map to working in another terminal
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: tail the map file?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm, so #CONFIG {command echo} makes whatever i type show in the output?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: heh, local echo, it shows you what you enter, sure.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: tintin follows basic linux, its all there, you just have to figure it out
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: so #nop just swtiches off the stuff its in front of?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: #NOP is short for NOOP..NO OPeration, i.e. do nothing
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can use it as a comment prefix to describe to yourself what is in your scriptfile
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm, so i got the automapped working, Is there a way to output it into a terminal screen?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: caont you just tail it?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: and resize the window to be the size of the map?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: hmm, i'm not sure which file to tail
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: your map file...
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: sry its a lil confusing since theres 3 files with map in it
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: not really sure on that be be fair...
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I think i found the file but its doing what affects was doing, bah
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: says this file will store tintin map once connected
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if you look at the mapper set the file should be defined in there.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: But its running the automap in tinin, i can see it use #map map
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: maybe the file got changed, its its compeeting
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: tail it, run in a circle and see what happends :P
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I didnt see anything in the readme about getting the automapper to work, just the minimap so its hard to tell what im doing wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nod
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i didnt get it to work, to be fair
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I just ran all around recall lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I can make a setup file and set up varibles now for stats, but i dont think i can figure out how to make something like that alone. looks... beefy
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: does one file handle the automap output, or is it more complicated than that?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: not sure.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I just assuing this gmcp file handles it since it runs map commands for tintin, just mostly squiggly lines and numbers to me though lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: lol is ixles name adam?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: someone left their username in the tmuxit file lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: or faked it
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: finger them
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: tail -fs .1 /home/adam/t/aard
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yep
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I havent even figured out how to use tmux yet lol, im assuming id have to change those paths to where i keep said file at though.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i hate hard paths.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: well its still not loading what it wasnt before, but i got tmux running all the windows instead of multiple terminals.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: much cleaner
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I had to delete all the pathnames, then i just changed to the dir with all the files can copied and pasted the commands into terminal
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Maybe I can make an alias in alias.bash for it
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: do you play on a laptop?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: I got no numpad, im used to using it for the dirs
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: the window that stores mobs dont work, and idk if the group window works since im not in a group
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: or shows mobs and chars rather
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: alt :P
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: group up :P
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: how do i group? Im a newbie to this mud.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: group all
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: it works cool
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: At least i know how a window looks when its connected
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: but has no info yet
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: sweet, theres the char+mod window working didnt type tag roomchars on
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nice
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Ah hah
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: affects works now
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: nice!
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: The problem was tag spellups on needed on
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe tags are a pain :P
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Gotta tell setup to load affcap for me too
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: Hmm, #prompt size (62) longer that row size (57) any idea where i resize whatever needs resizing?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ezriel Tech: ahh, its was the stupid ubuntu taskbar squishing the screen
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i hear of people claiming linux has an NSA backdoor built into it's security. Can anyone testify to this?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: probably only the nsa can for 100%
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The NSA won't, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: won't what
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Need to get Snowden to "confirm".
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: NSA won't verify if they do or not.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: what's more relevent right now is, is there a linux build that is entirely clean?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: "Hi, NSA. Are you backdooring my operating system? No? Okay, thanks!"
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: if teh codez is open source...
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: clean of what?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: just go read the code for yourself
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's a pretty ridiculous suggestion
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: let me rephrase that, are there any "clean and verified" grass roots linux projects?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: if the kernal isnt clean where does that leave you?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: where i am now
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't know that there's anything that can be verified 100% clean anymore. I could say that this distro is completely clean, but unless I made it myself, there's no proof.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you could roll your own, i did for some wifi routers
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's understandable, etzli
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: if I enable reconnect on disconnect but don't autoconnect (aardmush), is there some way to stop it from repeatedly reconnecting, timing out, and disconnecting?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: err, when I'm away I mean, and don't want to stay online
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: How do I create those little shortcut buttons that you can click on to execute commands?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: on MUSHclient on PC
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: don't think you can
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Oh that sucks, I know I can do it on my phone :(
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: that's not mush
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Infini Tech: Try: game-> configure-> macros
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: I know the client I am on now is Mush but on my Androids client I can
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: it says mushclient on the top
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I know. You can do as Infini suggests and make macro's on the F-keys
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Infini Tech: Yea, that's pretty much all I know about it..
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Ahah, it doesn't display those little blue buttons though, huh?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: nope
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Got ya
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Thanks a lot :)
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: there may be other clients for pc that can do that but not mush
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Maybe I'll take a look at other clients some time. I'm kin of liking mush though so i'll probably just configure some macros and use them
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: kind*
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Whats with the triggers?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: they are triggers. What needs to be with them?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: What are they for?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: to capture specific screen output and react in a programmed way to it
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Okay, awesome
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Umado Tech: there is/was a pluging writen for mush that made push buttons to use for skills and what not. you would just have to spend time configuring them
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: It's funny, I'm 4 weeks away from and NSA degree and I hardly know anything about muds, lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you nsa? eeek. nsa invaded aard. Watch out what you say peeps
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: NSA inavded aard?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: roflcoptr
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: roflcopter definitely isn't a thing anymore
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: It died a not-so-tragic death about 10 years ago
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: how is it not a thing
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: thats just foolish
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Umado Tech: msuhclient's version of buttons - http://gammon.com.au/forum/?id=9280
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Are you guys talking about the Network Security Association? 
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: administration*
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Ah, thats interesting
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: ahem, never heard of em
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: The Network Security Agency is a national security agency. It's basically an anti cyber crime association. They're always coming to my school once a quarter and giving presentations.
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Thanks for the link Umado
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: but then, they know i'm a ninja
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: mis
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: HI!
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: how can I rename a variable each time I want to switch weapons in CMUD?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you mean give it a different value?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: nods
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I don't know. XD #var doesn't work?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: for example I am using airdamage and want to change it to bashdamage, so I need to get the bashweapons from bag, remove the other, wear new weapons and put in the bag the airdamage, so I created an alias to do all, but it not rename the weapons
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: okay. post on cmud forums?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: arname=value?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: @varname=value?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: the string to create a new var is #var <id weapon> <varname>?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I think. I didn't buy cmud. Always found it too slow..
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well, in zmud it'd be like: #var weapon knife
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: weapon would be the variable name, and knife would be the value..
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: I did it, but doesn't wroks =P
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: works*
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: aww darn :(
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: that's why I suggested the cmud forums, lol
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: the complete string is: get weapon from bag, remove the wielded weapon, put the removed weapon in the bag, rename the variable of wielded weapon to new weapon, wear new weapon
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: good luck. I'd try the cmud forums. sorry :(
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Birdbrain Metria Tech: What are you trying to do?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: trying to switch weapons
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: so I was doing an alias that removes, rename and put weapons in bag
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: t linoge sorry for bother you always
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: miss
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: how do you stop the help from launching when you set up macro on f1?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: on mush
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: yeah
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: there's an option for it file->global prefs->general->f1-6 are macros
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i knew i had seen it, jut couldnt find it
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: it's nestled in thar.
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: the telco box is usally on the side of the road a metal box...
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: mischan
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: is there a way to temporarily disable hand held portals in mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: huh? hand held portals are in-game though?
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: if i die my portals are on my corpse, if i try to run back mush tries to use the portals in my corpse - can i temporarily disable portals so mush will run back without attempting to use portals?
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Without knowing Mush, I know you could use recall and runto
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rideon Tech: Thank you for contacting the tech channel, have you tried turning it off and on again? :p
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: anyone seen this error or know how to fix it   ---- x_ht the orc captain---
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude finally got a working initramfs after much effort.
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serevok Tech: anyone use cmud and willing to give me a hand?
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thooven Tech: anyone every run into this error x_ht the orc captain
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: hii , say does anyone know of a better app then mxit to play via smartphones "blackberry"
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: People still use those Blackberrys?
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: I do ...
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: u must be a congressman
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You must be a failed comedian.
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Harsh.
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bbssh
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: lol etzli
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Abe, that actually answered the question. You're doing it wrong.
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: bbssh is not good at all , mxit is better in so many levels ... 
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you say so
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (to both :P)
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the best way to play from a phone is to use a phone program to connect to a computer running a capable client...you can do that with bbssh, you cannot do that with mxit
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Abelinc is correct bbssh to a properly configured client surpasses any mobile client
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Whether you are a Congressman or not
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: the bbssh that I had looks just like the aardwolf client but you have to press the "play button" to switch to a scrol mode and then like a 100times again just to tex and most of the texes fail with a msgs saying you can not do that or something...
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you are getting you can not do that, then you're typing something in which is not a command...
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: and with ssh, you might want to use a command line client on the other end like tinyfugue
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Playerslayer Tech: lol I know but if I tex the same command on mxit it does not fail ... So basicly bbssh is a waist of time 
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not a waste of time,you're doing something wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're probably using a different keyboard input type for mxit vs bbssh
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you likely wouldn't want to use a predictive text input for MUDding, for example
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: They have a point, they just haven't abstracted high enough. BlackBerry was a waste of time
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6B22Uy7SBe4
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i'm seeing this in some ruby code i'm trying to understand, does anyone know what this does? "10 ? 10 : 1"
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: there should be a bit more to it, on its own it means if the value is 10 then return 10 otherwise return 1
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ah ok
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Dunno about ruby, but in C that is just a basic if expression, a ? b :c, return b if a is true, otherwise c
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: too slow...
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea well instead of 10 it was args[2], but figured that didn't make sense out of context
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so it just guards against nil values?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: that ruby, or ruby on rails?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think just ruby
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: wow I've never seen that. sigh :(
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Imo, those fall under the category of code obfuscation that should be avoided.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ikr
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But they can be handy....
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's a pain trying to figure out what this code is doing
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That's ruby for you :D
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ruby is like perl 2.0 for readability 
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: wasn't it supposedly developed to be easy
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's too many different syntax options to do the same thing imo
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, ruby failed. Python is much better, imo.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well the only language i need to know is lua so i can write bots!
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Weresnail Anaristos goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i mean scripts
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: python can do that
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Any reason for an HP PC to lose its time besides a failing BIOS battery?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: not any other reasonable explanation that I can think of
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Is it still possible to but a copu=y of Windows 7?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Botman Tech: So if I spill something on my laptop and it's now dead, is it well and truly dead, or can it be resurrected somehow?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: other reasons to lose time would be something setting the time to be off...bad time server, timezones, etc
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's still possible to buy windows 7, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: MS would be stupid if they removed that right now.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and it depends on what all happened when you spilled the liquid
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks, makes me feel better about buying new HW
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's still plenty of computers being sold with "Windows 8 with Windows 7 downgrade option"
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that gives you license and media for both versions
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Thanks again. I have been stuck buying new HW during both WinME and Windows Vista releases. If I have to but new HW during the Win8 era and cannot still buy Win7 it will be a f*ing Mac.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: lol.. church
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: wow i'll sell you my homework :P
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: has anybody used intel xdk? you like?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Is there any chance of Chromecast ever supporting PornHub?
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: ....Ah....Hrmmmmm....Ask DjDoodles.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope, give up now
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: The "cast a tab" thing is pretty buggy
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Well...
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Chromecast could if someone creates it themself.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Alright, guys... make it happen!
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: TOo busy trying to design a new encryption algorithm, tyvm :P
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Pron == Sad-man work :P
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Is there any GMCP data that indicates when your character is running? I tried char.status.pos but I only get "Standing"
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Ah, I think I found it. char.status.state
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I would be careful in using that state to trigger sending kill messages - very easy to slip into bot territory. and I can't see any other reason to use it off-hand
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, the wiki page on GMCP is handy for that...although that reminds me that I should update it for the new quest format
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Any kill trigger is a bot.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: ^
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: plenty of good reasons to use the state variable
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Actually, I'm trying to go for just the opposite
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Sometimes when I'm running I get ahead of myself and press enter on the kill too early. I want to write a check to ignore my 'k xxx' commands if I'm running.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Trying to add a safety check so I don't accidentally stack a kill command
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [**NOPK**] Redwood goes to Xarfin, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: is it illegal to stack a kill command or something with run?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: only during gqs
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well that's interesting. okay
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not only during GQs
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's a new quest format, abe?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Only stated rule for it is in help gq rules, nowhere else
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yup myrkul
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lol that's typical.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: when else?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There would be no need for it to be specifically mentioned in help gq rules if it was an ordinary rule
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help stacked commands...bright white text...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: any other questions?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Hey, I know you don't know me, and that's fine, but I'm really a "play-by-the-rules" sort of person. My stated purpose is exactly that. For the record I was thinking of campaigns.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the mudinfo note said there wouldn't be a problem if you track your quest targets with gmcp
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Is illegal if used in conjunction with a trigger. I don't trigger, I type it out and hit enter
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: what he said..
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: "Under no circumstance can you stack a kill command after a movement command."
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I haven't done it yet. I'm not that good.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: oops myrk: the change I was thinking of for GMCP was the group format, not the quest format :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the are they here bit
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah, ok :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I knew I had to mod my script last boot for something GMCP related ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: my group hp bars don't seem to have changed, so i think i'm fine :P
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, it's really an issue with my client not having native json parsing...it doesn't know how to treat GMCP stuff without me writing triggers
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it's funny that it says under no circumstance is it okay to stack a kill command after a movement command, but right before, it gives an example of a macro that is OKAY: north, target <mob>, shoot, south, backstab <mob>
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: modern clients like cmud & mushclient throw all the info into variable tables nicely
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: why not just write a generic json decode function? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not funny...it says exactly why that's the case kanashii...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Kanashii - It says that is the ONLY exception
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: ah. perhaps it should be THAT is the exception. confused me there a bit.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: myrk: cuz it'd be a kludge on top of a kludge ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: what exactly is the exception? shoot? backstab? target? move only one room?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Kanashii - the text might read better as "under no *other* circumstance..."
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: agreed xarfin. thanks :(
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Archery
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: backstab is archery then?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: "north, target <mob>, shoot, south, backstab <mob>"
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: backstab may be used in conjunction with archery
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: The exception is archery + move + kill command. Backstab is just the example
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: just read lashers note at the end of that help file.. its really easy to not bot
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it may be used in conjunction with archery but it is NOT archery. but apart the exception? backstab can be part of the exception but kill can't?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah okay. that's reasonable.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: The exception is archery. A move+kill command can be used after shoot.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no i think the exception is don't kill a massive area of mobs off with a macro.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: archery is a "not in this room" skill already...that's the exception
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: as per lasher's note.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lasher's note wasn't describing the rule, it was describing an attitude
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Stacked commands that move around an area and clear multiple rooms at a time are considered bots. They are illegal and will be treated the same way. "Multiple rooms" is any number other than one.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well let me make it clear that the exception itself is not clearly defined.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the exception is entirely clearly defined
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: ...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and if you plan to act otherwise, then you're free to find another place to spend your time
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: the exception is this macro: "north, target <mob>, shoot, south, backstab <mob>" with some cavaets.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Archery with shoot is the only exception. That's all there is to it.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: abelinc, i'm only asking for a clear definition.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've gotten that definition
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: repeatedly.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: what's the CLEAR definition?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't give a crap about the rules
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you can only move one room and use shoot and backstab?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is this another kojiro alt?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I don't get why i can use backstab but not kill?..
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can't use backstab
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no, I don't give a crap about YOU.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can use an attack with archery
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what attack doesn't matter
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude hugs you after Kanashii was so mean.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn bursts into tears.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you wish to use kill, then use kill...as long as it's following archery
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I Sense Nonsense finds the 'v' and waves at Kanashii.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's stupid to use kill, but feel free
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: oh shoot is the exception
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as has been repeatedly stated to you
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: I'll try to say it one last time. Backstab is just an example. The exception is that you can shoot across one room with archery, move in, and kill. That's it. You could use a spell instead of backstab, or the "kill" command if you want. No other exceptions outside of the 'shoot' command, which was designed that way.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it's easier if you give the scenario that you are wondering about
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: than asking about rules in the abstract
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: even courts don't answer questions like that :p
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he's wondering about "how close can I get to the line", that's the only scenario considered
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: this really isnt that complicated..
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no, archery has been repeatedly stated me, although not clearly. Also, in the help file it's under 'Shoot' not Archery.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: stack only 1 room you're in
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it has been repeatedly and clearly stated here, by multiple people
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's it
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: hence my confusion... which is the opposite of clear.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: fortune-mod for x has a fun real life courtroom quote with a question regarding a possible scenario's outcome where a woman who had constraints on her not to go's constraints were ignored and may have gone to the train station, and then been taken with the witness
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: but , i wanted fortune-mod-firefly to work,a nyone know how to blacklist the other fortune-mods ?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: pretending that it wasn't stated isn't the same as it not being clear
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you wanna firebreath and stack 10 immolates it's fine
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just don't move
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude misses being able to use wrench.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wrench works fine
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: nah I was confused because there's this little one line green word 'Shoot' that 'this' in the note subsitutes. You can feel free to be a bully. I don't really care.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: not if you arent a psi it doesnt
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Level:  33 Wrench                 Learned: 100%
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as a 4x, he's chosen not to have it...no sense "missing it" :P
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: rule of thumb- if you think it is questionable, DO NOT DO IT. Do NOT try to find ways around it. Period.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: thanks for helping me understand
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i thought the rule of thumb is - do not get caught
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn's bot program is activated by [Outlaw] Drakoth and he rolls over on demand.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: Redryn- that has the big downer of the chance of BEING caught, which, in this game, is a big chance. Simply not breaking the rules has no chance of failure and thus consequence.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: attempting not to break the rules does not guarantee success :'(
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: at least they finally fixed demonfire
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: I didn't break the rules once... it was aweful...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: genuinely attempting to not break rules does guarantee success
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lol you are such a troll :O
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: doing something risky and possibly getting caught, or following the rules and knowing them (ignorance is not an excuse) Your choice. That is the choice between gettin g nuked or not getting nuked at all.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: very easy
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nothing troll about it
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: t imm I want to do X, is X legal
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you get a yes or no answer
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: follow.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: attempting to find the line to scrape your toe on does not guarantee success...actually caring about the rules makes it easy to fully guarantee that you're within them
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you make several assumptions about attempting not to break the rules. One is you'll remember all 17 pages of policies and not do something stupid like lock the door behind you and get frozen for 30 days.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: Abelinc, this is the point.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah i agree abe
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: frozen for 30 days for locking a door...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: this is why we have "help policies" etc.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no joke it happened to me on a mud, my first offense too :(
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: this isn't "a mud"
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: just type finger kojiro.. see how long it took him to get frozen for 2 months
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah they had help files too..
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: do not speak about following the rules here based on your experience on another mud
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lol.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you just stepped out of scope.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I just follow the rules. Much easier than trying to figure out the limits, and accidentally crossing them, and getting caught.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you cannot accidentally bot here, and you can be 100% guaranteed of staying within the rules
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: You could accidentally bot if someone snuck into your room and added a bunch of scripts to your client without your knowledge
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: thanks God1 and God2.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You grin evilly at him.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Aizma kisses you. 
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: in which case you have bigger problems than breaking the rules here..
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it bothers me you guys have to assume i'm trying to find the limits so I can tiptoe up to it when I already gave a reasonable example of past experiences that would demonstrate pure accident.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: Iunno, I keep my apartment locked and let no one on my computer even for a second. If someone puts that script on your computer, it looks just as bad as using a kitchen knife that has been used for a murder.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you didn't give a reasonable example
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it was reasonable because it was true I guess?.. I don't know.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's like saying I would never buy a chevy because I had a ford motor crap out on me
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: you already got your answer, do you really have to keep talking about it so much?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: if your so bothered then maybe you should quit talking to us
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no, that'd be like saying I would never buy a vehicle because I had a ford motor crap out on me.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I'm trying to gather an understanding here now, vampireDude
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: and unlike the real life scenario of using a murder weapon that someone conveniently left on the table, there are no forensics, only nukes.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: actually there are quite a few forensics before nukes
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: drakoth: That is what is best to do with idiots. I was hoping you guys weren't idiots. kk ttyl
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it takes a lot of work to get nuked here
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: and would an imm know if someone left a script on your computer? They assume the negative, and more power to them for that.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I wasn't serious. Jesus.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: also, why the HELL would you let anyone into your home who would do something like that.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Don't hurt your brain.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Drakoth snickers with Aizma about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you're responsible for your connection...if you go to the crapper without locking your screen and your little sister bots, that's your fault :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you're responsible for your character. if someone tricks you into botting, it's your fault.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: that is what locks are for. Also, sorry, I did not know you were a little boy who happens to have a devious sister. Are you spastic?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Hey, Kanashii, I've got this script that will solve all your problems
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: i hopes its a scrip for painkillers!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I have a posted script which could be used to bot...on its own it's legal, but it can easily be used illegally
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: note to self if I ever get reincarnated. If I am a brother, and my sister is a spastic fiend, ask parents for the perfect lock for a birthday and christmas present combined :3
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: and put on a passworded screensaver, with the password NOT left out for her spastic hands :p
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: abelinc, have you made a one press button or alias that records all the mobs you'd possibly want to kill?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not something I'd have any interest in making
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone know how to make xorg-server properly install on gentoo linux, i tried xorg-x11 mesa xorg-drivers, but it didnt pull in all the basic stuff like xdm, xterm, and other things that seem needed to run
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: those aren't needed to run
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea abelinc has no interest in being competitive in gqs
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or levelling
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I don't even use a pathfinding algorithm
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude noticed that abelinc's 'those aren't needed to run statement, failed to answer the first segment of the question. therefore ' fail' 
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the first segment of the question was answered in the question...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: abelinc does however have a gq script to automatically unscramble scrambled mob names
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not exactly ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but I do have tools to help me accomplish it
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: how well does it work for zangars? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: fine :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: well, if anyone has time to help me get xorg-server up and running it'd be nice, life in a command line just isnt as exciting, and i'm hoping to try the new ragnarok2 game out :(
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for zangar level is more important...a grot isn't the same as a grot...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xarfin seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: X is overrated
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I want someone to make a Zork and Pals server :p
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: nor is it the same as a grod or grov or grof
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you have an unobfuscating code?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude feeds you to a grue.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you like to code the hard stuff and not the easy stuff eh :p
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: NOOOO! NOT THE GRUE!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Fire up NetHack VampireDude
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: Xarfin my troll priest dies on it too fast :(
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kill the monkey grinder
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Tourist is the only way to go ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I play ADOM sometimes, it's sort of like nethack. Troll Healer is so OP x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: adom is a whole different game :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: corruption makes it fun
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: For those of you who like Roguelikes, especially olden goldies like Nethack and ADOM, check out Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: You can play it in console...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude also kind of wants to use a web browser that can do images.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: with a troll on ADOM, I wouldn't mind any of the corruptions. It's not like I'd be able to do anything with "looks" anyways.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: i cant remember the name.. but theres a server somewhere that will convert images to ASCII.. you can try that maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VD, have you tried actually starting X?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: drakoth hmmn, i dont know that server... does it require javascript?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: my only regret from the times I have played ADOM is that I have yet to get a wish from either a pool or a ring x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: I remember having fun watching DVDs in ASCII. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: abelinc yeah, i tried startx, it freezes, and i tried it with xdm, and after i log in, it freezes
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: this soup is cool...can watch other players playing online
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ullin how many members in a party on that soup?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: no ideal...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: no idea...just clicked on watch just now
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: that's bad...this could take time away from aardwolf...
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude gasps as he realizes what Ullin did.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: is there an IOS version? that would basically stop me from being productive at work, finally
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: What is it again?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: dungeon crawl stone soup....WOW :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: Ah, Crawl. There's an Android port, webtiles for the browser... and of course the regular Windows/Linux/etc.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ooh maybe i should use one of my phones for that then. brb
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Xarfin Tech: You could probably do webtiles on an iPad but you'll be limited without a full keyboard
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: thanks for getting me fired ... in a few months :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Xarfin looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semirhage Tech: how does one make a keybind/macro or w/e
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semirhage Tech: usin mushclient
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: file-world properties-macro
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semirhage Tech: nevermind digured it out
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Semirhage Tech: figured*
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone know how to unmute a sound card using alsa , from a command line?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I have found it. The worst POSSIBLE way to set up content on a website. This is Satan in HTML. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Differences_between_go_back_n_arq_and_selective_repeat_arq_protocol#slide1
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serevok Tech: best Android app for tablet?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arystul Tech: depends on what youre into
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serevok Tech: what do you mean?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: it depends what you want
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arystul Tech: well, I could tell you about a sweet 9 innings baseball game, but if you hate baseball then it isn't the best for you lol
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serevok Tech: well, a mud client app of course
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Why of course?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arystul Tech: blowtorch designed for aard probably
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serevok Tech: thanks, I'll give  it a shot
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the play store, it's called aardwolf rpg
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: anyone know of a mush plugin for displaying consider output in a miniwindow
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's the most efficient way to sort 2 numbers in ruby?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I don't know ruby, but... a<b?a:b
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok thanks!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, that was to find the smallest, but you get it.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i basically want to get 2 random numbers, but want to know which is the smaller one
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: (and also the bigger one)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: Ranrr's suggestion is what I'd use in that scenario
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so do the same argument twice?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I would probably use an if statement, for readability.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: can i set the 2nd variable as well so i only have to do 1 comparison?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so just a = rand, b=rand, if a>b then a,b=b,a ?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: yeah if you were going to do more than a simple return use an if
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ok thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: does anyone here have ipod 7g and not using it with itunes
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I used to have a cheap mp3 player filled with a variety of german rock, new age, and fantasy movie soundtracks, does that count?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The mighty Hollister Tech: lol me too!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: i need help calibrating the aardwolf mud client. I am creating a trigger that plays a sound when someone goes superhero, but when i enter the trigger phrase, you know the default message when someone goes superhero, but it keeps saying that it doesn't allow line breaks. can anyone help?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: you need to create a multi-line trigger 
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: np :)
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}MeowingHorse Tech: the client only loads once for me, then i have to redownload it. What's the deal
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: anyone elses apple devices get broken with itunes update 
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I think Abe had the same problem, so he switched to Windows
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: its on my ipad.. cant get the restores to work because i cant get dfu working
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: anyone tell me where I can find a handy table of the valid color names for Bast scripts?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: assuming it uses the standard mxp colors, http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/mxpcolours.htm
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Martini & Tyebald Tech: cool, thanks.
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: has anyone seen stability issues with mushclient running in wine?
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: the only issues i have had are with some of the plugins, mostly gmcp mapper and spellup
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I seem to experience frequent crashes
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: I havent had any chashes since installing it under wine
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I wonder if it started when I upgraded to mavericks
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone know how i can find out if it's a udev config error or an xorg config error that's keeping my mouse from working in xorg-server?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i have no idea but i would go through my logs if it was me...
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: what does it say in the logfiles?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: which logfile?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: event-logs
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ill see if i have an event log, thanks , brb
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: have you tried another port?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: it's a laptop
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: other usb-port 
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: it's built into the laptop.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: ok, well have you tried an update? or different driver?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: have you tried to google it? sounds like something that would be common error in your laptop model
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster, i am not finding an event log
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: nuanse i tried googling it, yes.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: what OS do you have?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster, gentoo linux, just installed last weekend
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: linux on a laptop - risky
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: well, it's already installed. 
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: then there aretech have you checked the /var/log?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: checking, brb
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: i have xorg.log, xorg.0.log, xdm.log
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: and syslog
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/08/linux-var-log-files/
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster the xorg log says it's using my evdev 's /dev/input/mouse0
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: um, i can't click that link ekster, my mouse doesnt wrok
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: one sec while i type it out
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Troll Report Mk I: Troll Name: VampireDude. Troll Type: Effort Troll/Concern Troll. Posts very specific technical questions which pertain to obscure or outdated domain knowledge. He Wins When: Long, extremely technical discussions fill the tech or other channels, increasing the noise ratio for legitimate queries. Threat Rating: Minor. Only indirectly malicious and/or disruptive.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: ok :) it's an overview of logfiles, but you find it already
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: some laptops use unknown propriety hardware-shortcuts crap (unknown to linux)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: zade well, linux seems to detect my hardware well, even the display
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: it'd be a lot easier to configure stuff with a mouse though.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: plus after all that effort getting it to boot, i'd rather keep the linux and get a working gui, than go back to bsd
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: does /dev/mouse exist on your OS?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: just plug in usb mouse :)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster yes, /dev/psaux , and /dev/inputs/mouse0 exist
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: so mouse works on BSD but not on Gentoo linux
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Synaptics
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: the mouse works fine in gpm from console
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: the mouse buttons are working in xorg as well, but it won't move the cursor
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: morden mouse or decades old mouse
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: workaround: http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-37329.html
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: you might check that out
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster but that's a freebsd forum right? i have linux
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: it's about the xorg.conf
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/All_Mouse_Buttons_Working
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: ekster the mouse buttons already work?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: sorry
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: found something about an invisible mouse for gentoo... reading it at the moment
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: so it might look it don't work
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if the obsolete mouse was decades old, and required constant polling, the cursor 'd likely never move ub some systems - modern mouse are events-based, not constant-polling-based
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: zade. it's a modern mouse
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: remember the part about it being in a laptop.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: hi i have a problem with my keyboar, when i press backspacve it doesnt work
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: backspace*
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: anyone here?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Sounds like it's time for a new keyboard.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: nah, im on raw telnet :/
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: i see now
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Wait, what? Telnet will send chars before a newline, you can't backspace.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Get ye a real client
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: try ctrl+h instead
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: seems Telnet is an expletive crap that (after decades) never updated much
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: reminiscent of Zork -- the Infocom supplied versions were a pain to type -- the pirate-module-converted versions were a pleasure to play
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the pirate-module-converter (which stripped copy protection, added a superior keyboard interface, supplied a keywords list, permitted the game to run from clean copies or from a harddrive), justified purchasing the Infocom versions (the cheap infocom floppy-disks used to ruin the 5.25" floppy drives)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: if i desired to play Zork these days, i'd never use the recent free-versions supplied by what remains of Infocom - the recent interface is a disgrace to decent software
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: but then getting a working 5.25" floppy drive may be difficult these days (unless i saved the converted versions to a 1.44mb floppy, or the junked 20mb eide harddisk yet works)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I never really cared about the idea of G+ and Youtube merging... but wow does it make it confusing reading +coventryboy68 or whatever at the beginning of people's comments.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Some of the people's names are like +Misery, I am having difficulty separating @user and the actual comment
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: its annoying... I have a really old google account and separate youtube accounts linked to them and its all screwy
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Also, this is quite funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u6Bfnq3aZk
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I am very glad my youtube experience has been a subscribe-less, comment-less google-and-click wonderland up to now. Guess it will continue as such :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: everytime i go to youtube it gives me a list of six accounts to be, trying to get me to merge them all... its ridic
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: And since I added the domains the 'Would you like us to plaster your actual name over all the titty-bounce videos you watch' message uses to adblock, I don't even see that!
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: I just changed my iPhone's battery and I now need to drain it completely before charging it for the first time to maximize battery life. Problem is that it's just not be draining fast enough for my liking.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalados Tech: I thought doing that was a myth
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: run more apps
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: What's the fatest way to drain your iPhone's battery? All Google's giving me are tips on how to prevent this from happening instead of suggesting an activity that'll drain it a whole lot.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: I heard the same Kalados
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Play lots of games?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: game apps drain the iphone a bit, but I think fastest way is running lte, and stream online movies
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalados Tech: but if you really wanna drain it, stream videos on your phone at the highest resolution and mute it and leave it somewhere
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalados Tech: yep
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: HD video
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: does Youtube count?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kalados Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: it is a myth, the new batteries don't need that
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Alrighty then!
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: You can and should charge as often and as long as possible.  Don't fully discharge (unless you need to recalibrate the battery meter) as deep discharges are hard on lithium batteries.  Normal mobile use will result in the one charge cycle/month that Apple recommends.  http://www.apple.com/batteries/iphone.html
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Yeah, I know. I just read that the first time you use your battery, you should let it drain completely to calibrate it. After that, try to never let it drain completely, ever.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Saerec Tech: doesn't apple's software automactiaclly initiate the deep charging if iphone charge drops below 20%
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Otarin Tech: anyone know anything with windows 8/mush interacting that would keep me from being able to play sounds with my mushclient? like when its quest time for example
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: can aard be running on a online browser ... Allmost like a mud on a webpage ? 
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/index.htm
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: thank you!!! 
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: how do I turn gmcp on lol
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: which client?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: one that doesn't support gmcp
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: in that case: switch client
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: if I wanted to make a client that supported gmcp, where would I start?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: you'd start with telnet.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: make or use?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah make
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [**NOPK**] Redwood hides his face in his palm after seeing what Kanashii did.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: just the gmcp part, not the rest
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: okay. Is there documentation for gmcp?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: I seem to recall there used to be a GMCP proxy... but I remember nothing about it
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i would start by looking at mudlet source - i haven't checked myself, but i think it's a pretty decent implementation
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: http://www.mudstandards.org/ doesn't seem to exist
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it's on this page: http://www.aardwolf.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/GMCP
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AardGuide Marchetti Tech: anyone know where I can get a plugin for mush that will keep track of my quest points earned and give an average?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: the bast scripts
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}AardGuide Marchetti Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: -5 10
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: angain.. fail
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: -5 10
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: now look here children
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: haha what. I think I clicked on one station then another station on pandora, now i got two songs going at once :/
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: you mean pandora actually plays music now?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: client update (finally)
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: -5 10
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I hope this one doesn't break for too many people
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: one of the changes is kinda scary
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: uh oh
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: what change?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Look at the wiki for more information abot fixes and so on.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: we talking about mush or something else?
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: AardMUSH
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: hmmm. 102, or 201? does it matter.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: uuuh yeah. ignore
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arista Tech: Hmm.. is there a way to update the aardwolf mushclient while not losing all my settings?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: hello, my communication log window is no longer working in my mushclient.  Anyone know a quick fix, or should I just re-download and replace the old files?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: that sounds like a quick fix to me
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There's plenty of quick fixes, but they require knowing what you did to mess it up first
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: not if i have to retype in my old triggers and all.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: have you tried reloading the plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: reloading the plugins?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: if( option == static_cast<char>(102) ) // Aardwulf channel 102 support
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: aardwulf
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I've just updated my aardclient and I get "The application was unable to start correctly"
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: any tech tech tech and then "0xc0000022)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I am guessing no one else is having problems?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: nope not on my screen ..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: what a pain -- I tried reverting but that is failing as well
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SilentSatan Tech: wow you made me break a ruel .. "Miltyplaying"
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Trying out GMCP at a low level in a new flat client, but 'protocols gmcp' shows everything as 'OFF'. However, I am getting some GMCP messages like for ticks even with that. Any way to get everything to show as on?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: everything is off?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Everything says it's off when I do 'protocols gmcp', but I'm still getting things like comm.tick { } in my raw output.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Yeah I'm getting comm.tick and comm.repop but no other GMCP messages.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I'm not seeing it O.o
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Not seeing what?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: does your flat client support any other.. things? channel 102? gmcp? atcp?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: comm.repop comm.tick
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I turned off 102 and atcp since gmcp is the newest and most featureful.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: turn 102 on
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: smh wait. you have gmcp on?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i thought you had it off..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Yes, gmcp is on.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well turning 102 on should help
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: 102 didn't get merged into gmcp?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Anaristos Tech: type protocols to see what you have turned on.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I don't know. mudlet src code has 102 saying it's for aardwolf
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lolnaristos
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: lolnaristos
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: 102 and atcp are both listed as 'deprecated' in protocols, so I turned them off.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: okay so all under 'protocols' is off?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: ansi gmcp and mccp are on, all others are off.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: maybe you have one on, like anaristos suggests
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: try turning 102 on. and then try turning 102 and gmcp both off.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I can see gmcp subnegotiations in my raw output, and I am receiving comm.tick and comm.repop but nothing else.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: maybe your client doesn't support it but gets the gmcp sent
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah like I said earlier I think aardwolf uses 102
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: You need to send GMCP message Core.Supports.Set [ "Char 1", "Comm 1", "Room 1" ]    to turn stuff on/off
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Ah, thank you, there's the answer. I didn't know there was a command in GMCP to turn them on/off.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it isn't all turned on by default?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I really wish GMCP were well-documented somehwere, anywhere. The wiki page is sketchy.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Anaristos Tech: the wiki page is good enough to script gmcp, you just have to read it carefully.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: I don't know how about other clients, Tinyfugue doesn't do anything, but it doens't support GMCP by default.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ghaan Tech: Also note you need it to turn on everytime you reconnect, so perhaps make it autologin trigger.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: The wiki page mentions the core.supports.set thing, but only in passing, like in the debug section. It never actually says "hey, there's this thing you need to do".
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: ah I see
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Anaristos Tech: the handshake and data acquisition is supposed to be done by your client. The client presents you with a json string with the data.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Which is great unless you're writing a new client, in which case now I'm thinking I'll have to start grokking the source of fiendish's stuff. Was hoping to avoid that.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Anaristos Tech: if you can manipulate the telnet part of your client you can implent it yourself.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Newbie Anaristos Tech: I saw a paper on atcp2 somewhere, you might want to look for it and read it.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: how do you turn mccp off in mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Why would you want to? :S
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: cuz I don't know how else to read the infos :/
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I think i found it.. hmm
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it's called 'disable compression'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Thanks guys, got the gmcp thing working.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: anyone know why I'll disconnect after so many bytes? is it cuz the bytes all get sent at once? or tcp communication? or computer setting?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: busy cpu to 100% maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: would that be it if I don't have this issue on another mud?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: maybe my network card/cpu gets backlogged and it's like, cut the connection
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: dunno, check your performance when doing actions
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: tech even so I wonder if there is something going on with the communications on the mud I don't disconnect from.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: i don't have any problems here, so it's probably something going on on your computer
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you mean you don't disconnect if you board gquest, note list?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ekster Tech: indeed
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: after a while of playing I didn't disconnect either. (i had mccp on too)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: are you sure that you are not just timing out?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: hmmm timing out?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: so if you note list ten times at once youu don't disconnect? :/
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: does it only happen while you are idle?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no it only happens if mccp isn't compressing enough to read all of gquest or ideas board or who list at once without disconnecting me
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I'm just not buying this it's your client/computer/isp/connection thing. I think it might have something to do with the communications
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: the cpu/networking card thing could be a part of that, perhaps.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: server sends the fin/ack first :/
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: but if I turn mccp off it still disconnects :(
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, but it disconnects at a MUCH different place
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: but if I spam the same command it doesn't disconnect me :(
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one has nothing to do with the other
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: why don't you think so?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I hit enter too fast on who and it disconnected me.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the issue is a buffer fuilling up because the client and connection are not processing and clearing things quickly enough...tcp sliding window
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: oh
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i remember those..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's a network thing...if you spam the same command AND that command sends stuff too quickly for your network and computer to ack, then you will get disconnected from spammed commands as well
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: it's more of the server's network than mine.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's more yours
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah right
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: lol...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Trust me, it has nothing to do with what the MUD is doing, disconnection on spam is all handled clientside
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: the server sends it all, regardless of whether your client reads it all or not
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: things are initially sent "blindly", with multiple things sent out before hearing "I got it" from you...but enough un-acknowledged things, and the server says "oh, you're not getting these"
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and THAT's the issue
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: and then disconnects you?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I assuume it disconnects youu without the acknowledgements
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: In Aardwolf's case, there *is* a serious amount of DDOS DC protection on at least one of the servers between me and it. Not sure if it's the one before the transoceanic or part of Aard's cluster though, haven't connected from another country before :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and on the spamming commands, for instance I can get the 300 results from "rank 1" just fine...but if I spammed rank 1 a few times, I would get kicked because I can't respond to all of the info being streamed at that rate
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: but my computer sent all the acks right after it received each of them. so idk. and the server send a fin/ack
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: The most "fun" example of spamming people's connection offline was when imms used to use terminate on each other.... when one can't die, it results in several hundred lines of spam :P
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: people on either fast connections, or connections logically-close to the server can get much larger amounts of info before disc than vakieh because he's going through Aussie's smaller pipe
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, your computer sent the acks after it received them...but it didn't receive them as quickly as they were sent out
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I mean i trust your knowledge on all the technical stuff, but my experience says it's not just related to the network stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: that's what I'm thinking.. but it doesn't exactly make sense
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: i.e. the combination of factors of your computer (how fast it is, how busy it is) and the pipe between you and the server
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: so maybe that couuld mean.. the aardwolf server/network card is super fast compared to mine..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unless I forget to do something or I intentionally do it to test something, I will pretty much never get disconnected because of spam from the server
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: stop...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: but why doesn't this happen on another mud? they disable disconnects from lack of acks or something?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you can either use the scroll/pagesize command (I don't), or you can modify your commands so that they won't hit where your personal connection's limitations are...it's a "softer" limit in that it will vary depending on congestion, etc and isn't "317 lines", though, so play with it a bit
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: actually that sounds familiar. There was something like that, hmmmm
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your connection to them might be better
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: you might be closer to their server
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i just think it's sad and archaic really
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: gotta remember, you may have a fat pipe from Comcast or whoever, but it's the end-to-end latency that's the issue
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: it's a limitation of the telnet protocol
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, and TCP itself...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: so many theories...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I'm pretty sure it is tcp ack disconnect thing.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Has nothing to do with either telnet or tcp, it's a choice that lasher has done.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: which i think can be modified too.. hmmm keep alive is it?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Insane Xantcha boggles at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah there we go. exactly.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Trust me, Lasher didn't code in "disconnect if they request 400 lines" into Aard
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: he has set a limit on the acks or bytes
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not keepalive
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah it's not
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: TCP connections do not disconnect automagically when there is congestion or buffering unless the application does it.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: ^ this
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i think lasher should increase it a little higher.. i mean seriously i had pagesize at 70 and hit enter twice on who list and disconnected :/
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all applications and servers are coded with the same "issue"...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, either lasher or there is a nasty broken IDS or something at the hosting site.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: buffers without limitations don't last
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i'm sure the buffer limit can be increased.....
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: besides, tcp will just retransmit a few times anyway.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: which makes the problem worse...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It isn't a buffering issue if frames are in transit, it's a latency issue
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Aard's server-side send buffer is larger than any string you could possibly request for the mud to send you (I've written code that used it)... so it's on the receiving end.   Having connected from many locations with many clients, I can tell you the pagesize limit changes based on your conditions, not the MUD's
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's BECAUSE it will retransmit that they have these limits...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: is it because it will retransmit, or is it because it DOES retransmit?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If it was on the receiving end, it would only happen with a few clients, and not with vanilla telnet.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Abelinc kindly explained it all, but if you don't want to listen, it's not worth the time to rehash
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: xantcha: I have plenty of experience being disconnected from muds. I'm not ignoring him, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: abelinc: what issues does the retransmission bring up?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: congestion?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: I know that it's not a limitation imposed on the server side... when I had a better connection to Aard I could receive 700-800 lines without a problem... I think my limit from here is closer to 300
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well, mccp affects that..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The limit could easily be applied server-side with client latency dependencies, though. So a client with higher latency would receive less before being DCed, but it would still be the serverside config doing the DCing
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i guess that's possible..
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Which would also explain why MCCP lowers the DC rate, as it lowers the intransit data, thus not hitting that serverside limitation
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: mccp means less bytes
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: where is all the timers and alias and timers stored in the aardclient? Say i want to take this program mobile with me i want to make sure all the plugins come with and they aren't stored on my machine elsewhere
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: naud: put the entire folder onto thumb drive
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: quite a few players even play directly from Dropbox folders
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: ok good then that makes me feel better, i thought my computer created a folder somewhere on my C storing all this infor
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: information*
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nope, aard MUSHclient package is a fully-portable setup
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: anyone good at figuring out Big-O complexity?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: that is really neat, have they decided to do a similiar package regarding Mac? 
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it works fine on Mac
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: mushclient isn't available on mac
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it works fine on Mac...it's developed on Mac...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: trying to figure out complexity for a TSP greedy algorithm, starts by picking 2 cities, compares it against rest of cities for next nearest city, inserts into city list and repeats
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: the download to MushClient Aardwolf is only availble in .exe format there isn't a .dmg for this package
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there doesn't need to be...and the download to aard MUSHclient package is a .zip
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: redryn does each city compare against already-processed cities redundantly?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: yes true it is, but if you unzip the package you get the whole mushclient folder, within is contained the exectuable file (.exe) it won't work on Mac
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you have 2 arrays, cities are deleted from the array as it goes
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: does not compare cities already picked
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: oh its a shortest path first algorithm
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: n!
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: O(n!)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: wait no im not awake all the way
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: O((n-1)n/2)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: not quite right
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i counted it excel, for 40 cities it's 10621 comparison, 80 it's 85421, 160 it's 682481
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so increasing by factor of ~8 every every doubling of N
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: howd you count by excel
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just add :p
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: 38*2 comparisons first time, 37*3, 36*4
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sum all
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: looks like O(N^3/6)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i haven't done math for 8 years, i can't remember how to solve summations :p
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: lol yeah im in the same boat
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I'm an "application unable to start correctly (0xc0000022)"  error from a new checkout of mush
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the same checkout works under wine -- anyone got any ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: What operating system?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: win7
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: And how are you running mushclient
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: clicking on it, if that's what you are asking
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Like are you installing it from the installer? Or the package that's on the aard site?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: no, it's a checkout from svn
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Yeah I would go ahead and try to run the installer from the aard site if the SVN isn't working properly, usually the SVN's have a few things extra thrown in
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: it's a good idea, although I tried reverting back a few steps
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: actually a lot of steps, and nothing works
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: I would have to look at it to know for sure what's going on but most people are sketchy about that lol
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: hmmm, now, yes, that was an obvious thing to do, why didn't I think of that
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: wonder whether subversion has balked it in some way
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Yeah I used to do alot of SVN, learned my lesson about that the hard way
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: they should have a change log and bug reports
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: for me, it's a relatively clean way to update -- although, today, I had to remove my old package and start again
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: cause of a version mismatch in my workfile
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Ahhh
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Nice XD
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Running the latest and greatest from a SCM doesn't always work... but, it's a simple way to update, I agree.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: oh, sure, I'm not after the latest and greatest
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the strange thing was that reverting didn't solve the problem 
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: also I'd had boot problems just recently, so I was wondering whether some more serious was broken
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Good projects have a release branch you can checkout instead of checking out HEAD or master (whatever it'sc alled).
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: trunk in svn:-)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: svn... *shudder*
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: y
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: It's not 2002 people, come over to the git side :D
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: yeah, I've been using it with one project. Very strange, cause once is seemed so familiar
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I've used git for about 4 years now, so now csv and svn feels like using a rock to open up a tin can.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: cvs*
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: svn isn't so bad -- apparently they have fixed the repeat merge from branch thing
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the only issue is that I've had to check out the whole repo, tags and all
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ask Linus what he thinks :D
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: linux has got a lot of developers -- most things don't.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There is more to git than nice branching and merging, but sure, that's a big thing.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: the irony for me is taht svn has now become a distribution mechanisms
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: I use it work wordpress, mush (normally) and a couple of other things
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I use git or hg for a couple of things I want the latest and greatest in, e.g. vim.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Github is the killer feature there.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: true enough -- started using it a year or so back and it's quite nice
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: ah, back in my usual client, that feels good!
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: i am having trouble getting the plugins to work on my aard mush client, I am using PlayonMac to use mush, but my plugins are showing up?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: any help>
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: did you move them to your plugins directory and then add them in the plugins menu?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: i am having a hard time manuerving around this blasted thing, because its like a hybrid of mac and windows
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: so i don't know where would i find all the plugin information?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: in the same directory the mushclient executable is installed
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: is the plugins in a folder in the directory because there isn't anywhere that says plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: nvm i found them hidden
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: yes!!!! i finally got this darn thing to work on a mac! oms!
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: that was a headache and a half
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: lol gratz
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: for all the headache it was, I bet if you had to do it again it'd be much easier, and you probably learned a thing or two in the process
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: def did learn a thing or too lol
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: can never argue with that, imho =p but then, I'm a hopeless nerd
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: one more thing that i need help with. I put an alias "returnbase" that puts the command in the world this " get can from 1.sat
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: one more thing that i need help with. I put an alias "return" that puts the command in the world this " get can from 1.sat
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: how do i turn myself as admin, blah my geforce experience does work when something is installed at the other disk.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: need someone to help me to get administrator settings to work on windows 7
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Alucard Tech: i will pay 10 million
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: What kinda settings
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: I accidentally detached the little window you type in from the main window in zMUD. How do I attach it again?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Managed to fix it by resetting all windows.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Nope, still detached. >_>'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: look for a "dock" setting
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Found it. Right-click -> Windows options -> Attach command line.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: stupid apple software update will not go away
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: end task in the task manager like 20 times
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: kill process tree usually works for me
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: finally gone :o
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: how do you kill process tree?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: right click, select end process tree
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: awesome, i never messed with that.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i guess that kills it and everything related to it?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just ending a process leaves the thing that started it running, and that thing will often relaunch it
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: nods
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: good deal, thanks redwood and abe :)
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: might come in handy for some of those nastier ones
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: you can also check your startup services and kill the process from starting at all there
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: nod...msconfig
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [**NOPK**] Redwood crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: typing "m...yeah
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: when you do msconfig it always comes up with that stupid message at startup tho, any way to make that go away?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: yeah, a clickable box on that message iirc
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: don't use msconfig to turn it off...use msconfig to see where it's defined
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and then remove it from the folder or delete the registry key manually
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: and then where....registry?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: msconfig says where...it depends
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: usually in the startup key tho i think?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a dozen places...gotta read what it says
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: nods
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: good deal
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i normally just disable all in msconfig cause soemtimes there are like 40 things there
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like "Common Startup" is the startup folder of all users
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ok.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: thanks guys.  i'm a tech support newb
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: learning a ton.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: seems most our problems are outlook related. i would never use that program if i could at all avoid it.
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: starting to really hate my compuer...
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: because the T key doesn't work all the time?
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: thats par of i
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: starting to have a bunch of connection issues as well
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: that sounds like a symptom of the loose t key.. you should get thatt fixed and i bet your connection will perk right up
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: I used to have an ibm keyboard.  It was really old one, then it broke :(
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: it was a great one.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: why am i getting these weird words when i move around for eg: roomID:58 POS(0/-3/0) move done
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Plugin not working correctly
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: That's not mud output
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: what should i do?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Fix the plugin? I don't know what you're using.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: check your plugins. Maybe disable all and enable one by one to find the problem
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: im currently using Mudlet, and this has not happened before
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: plugin? O.o
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You need to find someone who knows about mudlet then. Or better plan, download Aardwolf Mushclient
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: Im on linux
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: cant use mush
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: So download WINE first
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: WINE doesnt support my current system
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: just get parallels 
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: paralells?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: google search?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: whats that
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: what linux distro are you running?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: Raspbian
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: im running this on a raspberry pi
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: its using debian but its modded and cant use wine
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: If not mushclient, TinTin is the 2nd most supported *nix client
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: ive heard of that, il take a look at it
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: lol great job vakieh
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Great job?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: sending him to play with tintin is going to be interesting
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: At least he has the chance of finding people on here who know how to work it, unlike mudlet.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: true
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: whats the port for this again?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: tech Anyone know the port for aardmud?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: 23
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: help address
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: help address
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: ok im using tintin :D
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoobzProject Tech: works
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Medieval Jameson Tech: anyone use blowtorch
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: in mush can you trigger off locla echos
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: in mushclient how do i set the "starting room" for an area?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: "xset mark"
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: it should determine exits that lead to the area automatically
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: unless its a custom exit (non-standard n/s/e/w/u/d)
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careocyn Tech: is the "Mudlet Aardwolf GUI" still available somewhere? the wiki entry is empty ..
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: How do I make buttons in Android client?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: Does anyone else watchIng this channel use blowtorch or aard app on a samsung galaxy 3 phone?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: is use blowtorch on a galaxy 3s
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: I* :P
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: yep
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: do you have any trouble seeing text as you are typing it?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: nope. but i never use the full screen keyboard (turned sideways)
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: only in landscape mode. When loadedthat way. 
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: text doesnt show in portrait either, only autocomplete.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: I can also see after I hit space. 
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: same
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: at least I.know its not just me. thank you.
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: Do you know how to make buttons?
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: I need to know, lol
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quepasa Tech: looks like buttons only work in landscape
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kirianthis Tech: Ahh :/
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: anyone familiar enough with godaddy.com to be able to tell me if i can even give an invited account administrator access to the domain control panel?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Careocyn Tech: I assume the mag110 does not support the mudlet 2.1 correctly (hence why it's no longer on the wiki ? )
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: hi! is there any way to make text in the main window bigger? (I use MUSHclient - [Aardwolf])
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: game->configure->output then Font
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: thanks!
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: on
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: sorry, I did game-configuration-output-font, put 12 but then it does not change, when I close the configuration window. Could you, please, tell how to save the changes?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedsirs Tech: i personally just right click the chat window on mush and change font
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pedsirs Tech: then click ok
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: thanks, but it only changed the communication log, and I ould like to change the font of the main window
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Huh? What is there to save, you open the Output config window, select font, select a different fontsize and click ok twice
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: sry, I don't see where I can click "ok" twice, only see it once, so I click, then I close the "output configuration" window and the font is still the same: 9pt instead of 12, then I go back to the output config and the font is there again 9pt, not 12pt, which I put
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Then yours is bugged, works fine here
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: you need to select regular/bold/ etc along with thte size then it will save
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Khazala Tech: off
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: ON!
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: ouch
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: once the search and destroy script is in the folder, do I need to do anything else on mushclient to be able to use the search and destroy?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adrym Tech: plugins - > add
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bode Tech: sign away your life training it :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: does anyone know how to shut off the vidblain hack found in search and destroy plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: xset vidblain
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: thanks much!
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Botman Tech: If I swap a solid state drive from one laptop to another, and the second laptop doesn't boot up (sits at Lenovo splash screen) does that mean the SSD is dead or is there more to changing a hard drive than just physically swapping them?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: there is more to it...
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: did the second lt have a ssd in it before?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Is it worth upgrading to windows 8.1?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Or not worth the hassle?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: sounds like a bios issue to me
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: or is this a new question :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: anyway to have a mapper exit overide the default ext?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: cexits do that
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: for example there is no way to open the door from the side I'm on instead I use a hatch to end up behind, however the default tries to walk through the locked door
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: instead of using the cexit
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It'll take the fastest path, even if there is a locked door in the way if that's what you mean.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: make a cexit to use the hatch and any additional steps, but all in that one cexit
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you can level lock the exit if you never want to use that one
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: yea ok sounds good I will try thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: What Myrkul says too...
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: yea that would be great how to do that?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right-click
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: sweet it worked thank a million
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: in mush is there a way to repete a command a number of times (like heal 5 times)
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: there is a plugin called Repeat_Command, I think it comes standard, you can then do #5 note read
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Or you can press up on the arrow keys :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hmm i will see if it needs to be activated, that syntax doesnt work
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: you have to load it, it isn't loaded automatically, I just meant it is included in the download
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: if it isn't included, you can get it from http://www.gammon.com.au/mushclient/plugins/
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: dont have it, will go get it, thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Omg this runs on linux with wine. I think I love who coded thos.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: I know right <3
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Do you know if there's a fix for the text at login?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: What do you mean?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: No idea..
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: What is the best Aard client? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: what runs on linux?  Mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Yes, Neg.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i may have to try that.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: sorry, the login prompt that displays the ascii art
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: It looks jumbled and off, and so do alot of the menus 
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: C64 with tape drive
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i still have mine
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Note to self, when playing around with writing a 'virus' (notice the quotes) that infects .pl files ... make it exclude the file it starts in :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Note to self, don't piss off Cheezburger.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: what are pl files?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: make another note not to announce on a public forum that you write viruses :)
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: perl files
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ah ok
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: rofl
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Writing virii is harmless, releasing them into the web-at-large is not.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: the virii are coming
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Tis all in the name of research :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Exactly... so don't piss off the guy with the ability to "not be harmless" in other words.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger laffs.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: just for the record, the right latin plural is vira...it's neutral
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: According to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/virii, you are correct in that 'virii' is incorrect, but apparently there is no actual plural :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: don't think it's a singularia tantum
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: if you're good enough to write them, i feel like you can call them whatever the heck you want :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger makes a 'vrooming' noise while waving his hand over his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: yah...a aardmush virus
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: It's not hard to write a virus. A good one is another matter.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger nods at Aizma.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: to chardelete on install
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Most sinple virus just takes it's source code, and appends or prepends it to any given file type ... really not that hard to do.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: prepend it to S&D
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: botkiller virus
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: The best virus causes the user to ignorantly type "sudo rm -rf /" ..
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: one swiss hippopotamus. two swiss hippopotama ?! -- they are swiss, so they are neutral
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: In all actuallity, though, that's the worst virus ever. It doesn't gain the creator anything.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: or a virus that kicks in if you do more than 200 campaigns in a day, etc etc
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: 200....
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fat Ass Cartman Tech: back when AOL came on floppy, I always wanted to replace the autoexec.bat on them with format c: /y  (or whatever it was, my DOS is rusty) and stick them in random magazines
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Oh I saw that virus once, I think it involved a mushroom cloud when it activated.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: deltree c: /Y
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: This is buried in my code -> if idle > 10 minutes, runto ravi, tpspend token (for all tokens),runto fido,fido token Bast (for all tokens)
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: is there a way to switch from having the list of cp mobs list rooms back to listing areas?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Become a r1 again and never remort...
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: nice bast
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: THAT's WHERE MY TPs WENT!!!!!
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: really, but what if I don't know where the rooms are in which areas?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i had to write a white virus before.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: thats racist
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: unicornbaby: then you learn or you use tools
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: rt ravi
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: rt ravi;while (gmcp.account.tp > 0) { tpspend token;cnt++};rt fido;for (i=0
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Bah, tired of escaping ;s, you get the idea
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: you are not handling having enough gold to buy tp
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the mapper can lookup every room you've been in since installing MUSHclient, you can use in-game things like mobdeaths, you can use external tools like the website rooms.gaardian.com or duckbat...or worst case, you can type areas lowlevel highlevel, run to each one and try to hunt and where your target
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you know its bad when you want to do all your linx admin with mushclient as your telnet client
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: use a terminal like a real *nix user :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: MC has too mush useless bulk for simple *nix admining
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Bast, that code is slightly defective, does not include "rt bank, withdraw all"
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: do u need to do anything specific with mushclient and the search and destroy script? Like if I don't have hunt yet, do I just type hunt <mob> and script will hunt it?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: MUSHclient is a line-mode telnet client, which won't work for lots of menu systems...
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the hunt part of search and destroy doesn't care what your hunt practice is or if you have hunt...the hunt part is not interested in actually hunting
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: securecrt ftw
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: there's also an autohunt that does just that
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: what is securecrt ftw?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: ah for autohunt
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: ht for hunt trick
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the securecrt wasn't for you
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it was talking about connecting to unix systems to admin stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: abe you use autohunt for secure connections?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: oh my bad, sorry.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ullin Tech: that's weird
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although I've never seen the need for a commercial client when putty is great
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Meh, they had the key already :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and just use terminal.app on the Macs
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Nods, when I'm on *nix, I just use the terminal, but on windows I need to use putty or securecrt, and they had crt installed and keyed already, so it was whatev :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, if it happened to be there, no reason not to use it
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I keep puttyportable on a flash drive to drag onto any system I'm using that doesn't already have it
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Any perl guru's around for a recursive directory optimization question?
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Oh well, to perlmonks I go :P
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: ActiveX DLL? :(
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: nothing. I'm just frustrated.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sob, the only networking magazine worth reading, the Internet Protocol Journal, has been cancelled. :(
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Limon Tech: how can disable channels printing on the screen without turning off the channel?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: mush? right click on com log and choose echo on main window none ....in other clients, learn how to gag things from screen
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Atle Tech: anyone know why it not longer shows up on my prompt when DB is available?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: how does one execute inside a script instead of <send>
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: mush
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: change the sendto dropdown in the alias to execute
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: or do you mean inside an actual script rather than an alias
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: its not a drop down inside the plugin tho
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: use execute inside the script?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: Execute("recall")
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: thanks will try that
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: atle: help daily, look at the third syntax
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: is there a way to get rid of the stuff at the bottom of the screen with mushclient, saves and all that stuff?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: View>status bar
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Gotta love Time to tick, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: doesn't typing "ah" in mushclient use autohunt?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if you have a plugin that does that
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: autohunt?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: yes, I was told with the S and D script that you can use auto hunt and it lets u hunt cp mobs..?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you can never hunt cp mobs
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: it helps you use hunt trick with cp mobs, not help you hunt cp mobs (as that is impossible)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: ah mobname
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: then it's ht for hunt trick
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: ht does hunt 1.mob 2.mob 3.mob
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: aka hunt trick  (help hunt trick)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I meant it does the incrementing for you.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: yes I am aware of the hunt trick and how to use it, but I was told with the search and destroy script that you can hunt cp mobs in mushclient
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you were told wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: ht + mapper = pretty much right room for mob
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: it will only hunt trick and where the mob, not allow you to hunt it down.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok, so ah (mob name) won't work, correct?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: not with cp mobs, it works with quest mobs though
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: correct
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Unicornbaby Tech: ok thanks for clearing that up lol
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: is there anything better than mccp v86?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: even in theory there's not?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you haven't defined "better".
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: There is mccp abe86. It works better I think.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: regarding aardwolf, there is nothing better.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well. something that is just as fast or faster, and better compresses >.>
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mccp uses zlib
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I don't know much about compression.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: zlib.. gzip.. ya no clue
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not like you'd be using mccp to compress files, it's specifically for MUD
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and specifically to stream with telnet
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so as there's really nothing else in its class, there is nothing better
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: okay. What if your computer kept a file of compression dictionary
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't mccp files
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just download 7zip and go with that
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: no i wasn't talking about mccp files
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I mean like keep a file of substitutes or whatever
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I think he wants to prevent his client from disconnecting with large lists.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: nah I'm just curious and want to explore this
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: like "aaaaaaaa" compresses into "8a" with compressor X?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: Um, no idea, Abe.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I mean like after I disconnect or close my client, I can come back with the same compression substitutes or similar (?)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not sure what you mean by a file of substitutes
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are no substitutes...iirc aard may even have dropped mccp v1 support at some point
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: well I don't even know how mccp works. For all I know there IS a file of suubstitutes..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: *nod*
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: substitute like: "aaaaaaaa" -> "8a"
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: most compression algorithms aren't quite so straightforward with their substitutes, and a given block may compress to a different outcome depending on its context
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: yeah I thought so. But is there a way to keep it active after closing the client? (like saving it to a file and loading it back up after connecting again?)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: Would there be any advantage to that?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: why should you want to. It starts again when you start your client?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not really
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the negotiation of that info would take up more than starting from scratch
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: mccp doesn't use a file... there's nothing to save
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: so not much change eh
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not learning to the degree that it gets much more efficient as time goes on
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: it might even be slower  thhat way
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: even if it didn't have to negotiate that info, I guess there isn't much change.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: IIRC zlib is fast with cpu cycles, too.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Comanchee Tech: Can the mapper take you to a room that requres navigating through a maze?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a real maze, no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: not a real maze
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: many areas appear to be mazes but really aren't...it does those no problem
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Comanchee Tech: That was my impression as well, not sure what konnan meant then.  Thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: some rooms can be set as a 'maze' I think
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, there's an "ismaze" flag, which does 2 things...(1) randomizes exits on repop, and (2) makes the MUD not send the exit destination numbers to the client
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: the second you can overcome with a cexit right?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you wouldn't know what to do with the cexit, since they're random
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: ahh yes, you are right
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Comanchee Tech: How do you set the ismaze flag?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: It's a mudside flag set by a builder
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the builder sets it...the mapper gets it automatically from the gmcp data
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Comanchee Tech: I see - that's what makes it a maze
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You rapidly nod twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: What if your cexit was a script that hunted a mob and walked in the direction of the hunt?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wouldn't work because the other commands would be sent after the first hunt
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Not with a DoAfterSpecial
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I hear hunting out of mazes is effective, though
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: doafterspecial wouldn't help
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Yeah, that was an issue with tt++'s #map run
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'd have to be a separate mapper goto command (or mapper resume)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: I made the mapper not send the next node of the speedwalk until after a gmcp map room message got sent
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Or just a loop to keep it 'paused' until it received hunt feedback
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: So in effect it isn't doing a #map run but a lot of really fast #map walk 's
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: All of that is pretty irrelevant though, because for the most part navigating mazes is  1000x easier using a human to read the minimap :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and note that non-hunt mazesolvers are illegal
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: where's the help file on that abe
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (I don't personally agree with the decision, but that decision has been made)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: i'd think help maze
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: non hunt mazesolver?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a script to automate going through a maze, which is not an autohunt script
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: It didn't use to be that way, though, did it?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Heh, is checking the exit 1n from vlad entrance considered "maze solving" ? :p
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: swalec used to have one
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: I don't see it mentioned in help maze. i think it should be..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: post to typos :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: I had one for DG a long time ago :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I just have a cheat sheet for DG
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: I just print out the order in an alias now
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although my favorite was when we had ATCP before GMCP, mazes DID send the exit UIDs, so I had auto mazewalkers for them all :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: what if there was a file or list that had all the room descriptions in it or something and compressed them in an index IDK
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, I have 1)In the mountains             5764 | mountains of rock
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: That'd be called a database...
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: which is what MC uses anyways
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: hey I don't know anything cheezburger. it's okay..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kanashii: mazes typically have the same room name and room description, but you wouldn't need that for the maze solver...once you're in a room, you already know exactly which room it is...you get the room's UID for the room you're in
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's the UIDs for the attached rooms that you can't see
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "mapper thisroom" to see the room's UID (or hover over the box in the mapper)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: At one point I tried creating a not-applicable list for mazes, sort of a check/highlight on a particular room, much like dropping a coin, but it was useless as you still had to go back into the room, but as long as no repop happened it auto-elimiated path's you've already taken from a particular room.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: what the maze solver would end up doing is what I do to manually solve a maze...make a table of where n/s/e/w/u/d goes for any given room
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: So not really a solver, but it did allow you to list what paths you had tried and do your own process of elimiation
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: with GMCP clients, you use the UIDs, with non-GMCP clients, you'd drop items in the room to mark the room as "room 1, 2, 3", etc
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: My method of solving a maze involves running around randomly until I end up where I want to be, or die in real life.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that sometimes works ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Good luck with that in 9h.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: with the occaisional EN not going east north but sending you back to the aardhotel
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: at least 9h has different layers like the planes, so exit works well
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Except getting out, which is just running down for eternity until you see the castle or !
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, I autohunt one of the dark8 to go up and autohunt ruk to get out
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Yeah, that's the most effective way, but hunt also triggers the aggros sometimes
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just the barbs
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but the good thing is that you get the hunt answer before the aggro
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so then retreat that way
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Yeah, but if you try and automove you're screwed :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Well, not screwed, but waste a retreatable round
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it won't take a round
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it'll say not while fighting and not count
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Hmm, I thought it did.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: nods, i knew you got the message, but I thought there was a lag on it while in combat
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Doesn't appear to be though, after testing it
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: hehe, I just started a fight to spam dirs to test too
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Om Nom Nom Cheezburger snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: The only affect I see is when you try and spam it too many times per mud pulse, but if you're spamming that many directions you're already wrong :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: so where would I go to find more out about gmcp?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aardwiki, GMCP protocol site.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: link is in help gmcp
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: There's also a couple of good resources on Archae's website, and Mudlet's wiki.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Granted, they aren't MC specific implementations, but the info/methodology is the same.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I just noticed something..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: The uninstall utility for SQL server 2008 has the stock .NET program icon. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: What kind of ... puts a component required to uninstall something on the installation disc?`
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Trying to decide what I want my new preferred mail client to be... Thunderbird is good, but now I find myself looking for something more. :\
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Any suggestions?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Gmail's easy enough :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: But despite my dislike of MSFT, Outlook is a great client.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Anything outside of the browser, please. :p
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: They got rid of Outlook for Windows Live, I thought.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: Really?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or rather, Windows Live is the new Outlook.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: That seems counter-productive to their goals.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: nonono, the outlook client, not the server.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I so miss eudora support...they came out with this new eudora opensource thing but it's nothing like the original...more like thunderbird :(
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: as in part of the office suite
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Right. Windows Live Mail Client is replacing Outlook, I believe. I may have misread it (didn't read much into it), but saw that Windows Live Mail client was preferred.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, outlook live/office 365 is just an exchange server's web access
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, they still make the full on-computer outlook
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as of office 2013
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: That's what I though
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: thought*
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some office 365 accounts are web-only, others let you download/install full office
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Outlook is alot more than just a frontend for exchange/a mail client. :S
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I see it now.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Pegasus is a "free" email-client (replacement for Outlook) but contains a few bugs and a few deficiencies 
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Wonder what I read last night to make me think otherwise... 
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I haven't used pegasus since 1995.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: no no no  windows live replaces outlook express.  outlook is alive and well
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wow, pegasusmail is still around?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Didn't know it was still around.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that was big on college campuses way back when
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Confounded CeriQ gives you a BIG high five!  Way to go!! 
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I have IncrediMail installed. Love the interface. Sucks it doesn't utilize my folders in Gmail.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I used it with my first email account. ever.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: PostBox is nice, too. But not quite what I'm looking for.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Together with a 14.4 kbaud modem.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i used to host lan parties on a 14.4 modem
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: war dialers inc.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: the misinformation around here is astonishing  lol
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 14.4 was blazing fast when I upgraded to it (it's kbps, not kbaud, btw)...had to wait for SprintNet to get newer modems when they upgraded to 9600
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: back when most access services used sprintnet for local numbers
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's sad to think of 14.4 as "blazing fast"... those were the days.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then I got ISDN at home, and hung the 14.4 off that on one of the channels in voice channel mode to avoid the fees...had a script on my alpha to switch to native ISDN when I needed a speed boost :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Hmm. I'm fairly certain you didn't cound kbps with bits before isdn - it was kilobaud per second before that..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Then again, I was 9 at the time, so what do I know..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, baud only equalled bits per second at slower speeds
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: baud is transitions, not data transmission speed
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ayasinda seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Yeah, such as 14.4k. Was what I though..
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not 14,4, no
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Alright. til.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: You've just single handedly erased my confidence in my childhood.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I hope you're happy. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the network of POTS lines go through analog/digital conversion at 8khz, which limits the speed that transitions can happen
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: think of it like this...if you use a piano to play "c" for on and "e" for off, you can send data that way with baud = bps...but if you then use "g" for another stream of on and "b" for off of that second stream, you're at bps at double the baud rate
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the voice-quality analog can sustain multiple sets of tones like that to increase speed, and then they got even fancier with multi-state transitions where you could do 4 bits with less signals
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but that 8khz still hard-limits how often you can transition a tone
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: POTS isnt phased out yet ?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: telephones?? never
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: umm, it's what all landlines are
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the backbone has changed, there are more VoIP endpoints, but there's still tons of POTS in use
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: well yeah one would assume people would be smart and use the voip devices nowdays
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: VoIP devices don't work in power outage [sans UPS], my princess phone does
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: I haven't used a landline in... 6 years.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: that is true power.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: you have a.. 'princess phone'? XD
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: abe does  lol
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: princess is a style of phone, not like a cinderella phone :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Purrrrific Growltiger Tech: I live in the woods, we keep a land line as the power goes out a lot, cell towers go down, it's annoying
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: standard $5 walmart phone, great for testing
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kanashii Tech: ah
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: if the phone fits.... :p
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Om Nom Nom Cheezburger Tech: testing what... lol
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: poor man's linesman phone...princess phone and a banjo
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and this kind of banjo (except 8-position) https://www.sfsupply.com/images/inventory/FLUKE/Banjo.jpg
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lecithin Tech: if you have your own server space, is it possible to check to see if a file is being used/called by any of your existing files?  For example if i have a random javascript file that i *think* isnt being used on any page, is there some script or something to detect if that is being called from any of my files on my server?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: is there a way to reset the location of a plugin window?  Like resetaard for the other windows
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: Shinwoo: which plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Search and Botstroy?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: serach and destroy
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: yea I basically moved it out of range and I can't grab the top bar to move it
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: maybe xset reset gui
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: sweet it worked thanks much
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lecithin: if you have direct access to the filesystem, you can use a tool like "grep" to search for a call to the file
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: or webhosts often give you access to the web logs...you could search to see if that file has been asked for, and if nothing's asked for it in hella long, it should be safe to get rid of it
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asterax Tech: am I the only one this happens to- when i try and use the aardwolf note formatter page then push "format note," my browser then freezes up.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I just compose in text editor, but have you tried different browser? (IE/chroms/FF)
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Asterax Tech: yup, but just tried formatting it in a text editor and that worked. good enough.
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Did you have a single word that was over 80 characters long?
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: that would be a feat :P
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: Rodostemonodaphen
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: thisisthewordthatneverends
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mohan Tech: Rodostemonodaphe instead
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: AHAHAHAHA :-) I just borked a regex search pattern on my MUSHclient output, it locked up until it ran out of memory. 14 out of my 16gb RAM
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: AHAHAHAHA :-) I just borked a regex search pattern on my MUSHclient output, it locked up until it ran out of memory. 14 out of my 16gb RAM
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: New record!
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: nu uh
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: you might be doing something wrong then :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: You gotta get your money's worth
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Oh, it was totally my fault, did a look-behind when I meant to use a look-behind, but wow did it just chew up that memory
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: This machine has never mallocced so hard
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: any A/V experts on?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: well, it's a mix between A/V, computers, and consoles... specifically windows media center
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Just ask the question and find out?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: lol, fair enough
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I'm trying to drop directv, and don't really want to go with cable.  I can probably get by mostly with netflix, hulu, and occassional downloads.  But would like the otion of local channels
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Aren't the channels available on the webs, so you could use e.g. xbmc to access them?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I am thikning of getting an hdtv antenna, and just securing it to the directv dish, and unplugging the coax from that, and plug it into the antenna.  That way I don't have to buy and run a buttload of coax cable
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: hey rannr, which channels, local?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: as far as I know, I need to run a singal into my comp to get the channels (from an antenna, cable, etc.)
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Wow, that's primitive.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: lol.  Are there streaming options for local?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I do like that windows media center has DVR functionality for local
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I dunno about where you live, but all my local channels have their programming on the web.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: I think I live in siberia
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I use xbmc on a raspberry pie to stream them.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: but, the main question is, in theory, if I just unplug the coax from the directv dish, and plug it into the antenna, should that work, or does directv use some weird coax cable
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: and what is a rasberry pie? Another reason I took my question to tech, I am fairly behind the curve with tech options
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: a micro computer designed to make taking core principles easy and cheap
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: there are extensive details on the rpi foundation page - http://www.raspberrypi.org/
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: ok, I found raspberry pi in a quick search, but I wasn't sure that was what you referring to.  Thank you
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: mudside aliases support wildcards ?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: in a very limited sense.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: there's an implicit * at the end of each alias.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ylar Tech: or whatever
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: anyone know much about setting up bind/named to run a dns cache on 127.0.0.1 ?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Looking for 1 or 2 mobile mudders to help beta test some stuff.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: send tell or w/e
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: Xbox One or PS4 
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: commodore 64
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Tigernuts drools upon [**NOPK**] Redwood.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: besides 1985 tech whichone would you guys suggest 
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 1982 tech thankyou
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: amiga 500+
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fravardin Tech: I was close :(
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: does anyone know how to reset the window size of a plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on the plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: most you can just reinstall
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: It's not working when I reinstall it
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: which plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: all of the plugins that come with the aard MUSHclient package are reset by typing "resetaard"...other plugins may have different commands
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: winkle's mapper extender by typing "xset reset gui"
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: that worked
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Anyone ever seen an issue where Mush mapper runs the path from the portal landing room THEN enters the portal, instead of the normal enter portal, then run from the portal landing room to the room?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sounds like the portal was input as a cexit instead
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mencheres Tech: is there anyway for me to keep my settings when we upgrade mushclient for aard?
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: there is a guide on the aard site
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mencheres Tech: wiki?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: so I keep getting this when I try to use my XRT Area function  Alias function "map_goto" not found or had a previous error.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: when i restart aard it works just fine - but the second i request on quest it does it again
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: that plus lines of errores
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Did you recently upgrade MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: yes, earlier today - i didn't upgrade but rather just reinstalled a fresh copy because mine was acting up for another areason
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Not sure SnD is still current for the new quest format
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: dropped in my aliase files and my aardwolf.db file 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: And of course WinkleWinkle is no longer here to update it
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Did he die?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: hmmm
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: That's kind of an asinine question to ask, "Did he die?"
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Well, he said "of course he's not here" with such a sense of finality...
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meaning that he hasn't been on in almost a year...
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: But the way I read it, the implication was that not only has he not been here, but he will never be here again
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Then again, I read some Jane Austen today. Maybe I'm just in that kinda mood.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divlia Tech: any lua pros here? 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swalec Tech: how do I update the spells that bast's spellup plugin knows about -- everything is giving me "not in list"
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: is there a way to isolate the names of players in the room your in?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lilleana Tech: you can change their color to make them stand out from mobs if that's your problem 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cherylpantz Tech: can do 'who room'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: trying to isolate names so i can trigger on them to add to a table
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: closest i got was study, but it also shows mobs
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: both of my upper incisors hurt at the root level when I run or shake my head quickly.  Is this because I have cavities or because I'm getting over a cold and there is congestion / pressure?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: probably congestion, try steam
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: phew, I was worried it was cavities.  Because I also ate a bunch of jolly ranchers last week, and those things are death to teeth
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: take a decongestent and see if it helps.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: pretty sure it would take more then a week and not a single bag of jolly ranchers
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: steam is the cheapest decongestant, btw
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: decongestants just smell nice
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: yes tiger, but then I'll get all the bacteria and spores riding the steam cloud
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: huffing gaseous dihydrous oxide?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Seriously koji?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: where are you getting your steam from that harbours bacteria and spores?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: ^
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: the shower
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then boil water and stick your head over the bowl witha  towel over your head
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: can you just freeze all your chars koji, so we dont have to deal with you?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: what purpose does the towel serve
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: redwood, help ignore.  thanks.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: less of the steam escapes
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Doesnt work for you showing up on a public channel. genius.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: oh, i was picturing wrapping it like a turban
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: lol redwood, just... lol.  maybe read it again.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: at least there are enough 'yes' votes to self noteban.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: nope, acts in the same way as pulling the duvet over your partners head when you fart in ebd
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Did google ban you? Is that why you think you need to ask on tech about health questions?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Webmd ipbanned him.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: ayasinda - kojiro is frozen due to circumstances related to that poll, so you got more than your wish.  I said I wouldn't write notes on alts except for personal, and I'll live by that.  Though I suspect folks rocked the vote with alts.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Sure it had nothing to do with you impersonating an imm while stealthed.. 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Tinada and Lorendale were camped at the Vote 18 booth, /likely/ taking down the names of those that voted, including noting how they voted
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: that's a conspiracy theory, surely
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: go look at abelinc's logs of immtalk if you want the facts.  zade - i've asked whether related activities constitute a bot and was answered affirmatively.  so i hope they get nuked for it.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: IP address matching for the win
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: immtalk, but ive seen the better log of you in the room with the voting booth stealthed insinuating you were a wizi imm.. 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: gathering information is "legal" and they likely kept the voting legitimate
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: you haven't seen the full log because kerith didn't post it.  Anyway, stop harassing me about it, and use the ignore function.  Anyone else, don't believe redwood go look at the immtalk log for the facts, and now I'm done with this subject.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: nah, I rather believe redwood, thanks.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Goes two ways. Ignore me if you have an issue what I am talking about. And dont be so ignorant to assume you know what people have posted.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: believe the guy who is just backing his clan leader, claims to know the facts and nuances of the situation without being there, but doesn't know how the ignore function works.  Sounds like somebody who wouldn't miss a beat.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shutterbug Rumour Tech: can we NOT have this conversation on this channel, thanks :)
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: rabble rabble rabble
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Sonshi . o O ( immtalk )
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: are massive .pst files still effecitvely un-backupable on a daily basis?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: I'm talking 8 gb, would like an auto daily backup
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: hoping Outlook 10 or Win 8 fixed that architecture or something?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: anything backupable with sufficient hardware
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: yea but I need to do it to a remote location/cloud through the 'net
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: then you're screwed
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: reduce the size of pst or move to a cloud based client
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: so any changes to outlook re-writes the entire .pst file, still?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i don't know if outlook still uses pst or whether it uses a new format, but chances are it will
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: thanks tiger
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ratpack Rintrah Tech: did one of the youtube hamsters pass away?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: que?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ratpack Rintrah Tech: shows up as http error 500 internal...
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: That's actually happening everywhere
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ratpack Rintrah Tech: hamsters* .. odd
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Youtube is down with an internal 500
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ddos maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: still works for me
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: hopefully  it's something major
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: if they are still getting 500 errors and i can access it it probably has something to do with loadbalancing
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: just my guess though
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: bout ready to get my hammer though and fix my printer issues
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: Individual videos are up, just the homepage that's down
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: from what I can tell
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: looks fine to me
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: still fine for me
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: broken for me
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: nsa is probably messing with their dns
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: nasa would have better things to do :p
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: could be some kiddie doing a dos on one of thier ip's
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: printers: not quite computer enough to troubleshoot normally
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: not quite cheap enough to drop and just get a new one
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: same first step... reboot :P
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: depending on the printer really
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: you mean make user get up
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: yeah we have all hp m1212nf dlafjldfa MFP
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: ugh that sucks
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: yeah spent the last 2 days figuring out printer redirection for them
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: right well for maintenance... they print pretty nice lol
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: pfff paper... hahahaha
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: lol 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: that was actually what i was thinking. i email i don't print
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: i havent printed a single page at my new job... so awesome to say that lol
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vorpal Vorpes Tech: i only print because they won't let me send emails for billing
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Enchantra Tech: What does moonbot go off of to detect the moons so well? I mean, when I type moons all I see is what moon it is and no timer.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: gmcp?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Mokg Tech: it goes off their messages
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: not gmcp, its just based on each moon rising/falling
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Mokg Tech: when you log in you have to wait for each to give a message before it's accurate
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: each moon has a fixed cycle, when you see all three moons you can calculate everything
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Kind of sick of dealing AVG 2013 Free, anyone have any recommendations for a good free anti-virus?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: good question, i'm curious to know this as well.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: avg = avast?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: I'm assuming so.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: yeah thats the best free one i've used i think
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Nope AVG isn't avast.  http://free.avg.com/us-en/homepage
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: ah ok
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: try avast maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Avast isn't free (unless there's some kind of free trial version).
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: avast is too free
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: using free avast as well. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: and have done for years
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at Elysian.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Does it slow down your computer noticably?
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: To be honest, it did for me.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Summoner Yuna Tech: Oh. I did not know there was a free version of Avast :P.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: But that was my fault,I'msure.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Anyone know if the extglob !() is available in zsh? I tried 'setopt kshglob' and 'setopt extendedglob' and neither are seem to work. The shell responds that a number is expected.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: well the install of avast was certainly smooth
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Stupid AVG said I couldn't install on network drive, it wasn't a network drive...
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: the correct solution is to uninstall avg
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Yeap I did that, their removal tool does work prettty well at least, once you find it...
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Never fun to unsinstall virus software in my experience.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: roger that
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: antivirus software is one of the worst virii in my opinion
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: that is why i use a modem hahaha 
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [**NOPK**] Redwood raises an eyebrow at Akuri's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: hur?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: I think that would be better for this channel, actually.  Does anyone know how to set a trigger on cmud to make an audible beep when the message that says we can quest again appears? I lose it in spam so much....
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: set trigger to #beep
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: Thanks, Redryn. Now, to find a file to replace the little ding xD
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's a function to play .wav files as well
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: I don't know all this stuff xD
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: google is your friend :p
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: That's what I am working with :p
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or just go with mush
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: way more mush users
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: I bought cmud, gonna use it. lol
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol mush is simplicity to learn
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i tried cmud for 5 days and returned it :/
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: I learned to use it ages ago but it has been so long that I forgot
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i beleive cmud can do more then mush
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doubt it
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: for some things
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: only thing mush can't do well is gags
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: or subs
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: aardmush has everything you need "out of box" ...cmud you need to build everything from scratch
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: It does. I like some of the simple things. Like the thing that lets you scroll up and still keeps the current screen scroll going at the same time
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: its subs that i wish i could do
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea me too :(
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: subs sucks. it's doable, but way too much work
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i don't really get why nobody uses mudlet...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well ive been trying to figure out how to sub with colours but haent been able to
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: ColourNote ("darkred", "Black", "(Red Aura) ", "yellow", "black", "Hamatula (", "white", "Black", "210", "yellow", "black", ")")
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i figured out subs by looking at the hyperlink plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Nuanse Tech: and small things to handle target flags :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hmm ill try that, thanks red
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you loop on the style array or something basically
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: been a long time since i touched it
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah i found style arrays but i had a lot of trouble figure ing it out
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: something like for i,v in pairs styles do tellcolor v.textcolor, v.backcolor, v.text i think
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that will duplicate a line
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hmm seems about right
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: then you have to do all sorts of crap to change something inside that line
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mush just sucks at it :(
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ya, well thats life
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: but thanks again will definatly take a look
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Confounded CeriQ Tech: Copying all your files before a reinstall is always a harrowing process. Always afraid you'll miss something.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: any reason why xrt doesn't wseem to be working for me since I remorted?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: use rt, if I recall xrt forgets about portal level limits
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: ok
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: still deosn't make sense becusae it is using my aylorian portal and then running me to differetnt locations
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: any ideas on why S&D doesn't work?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: do you ever have to update plugins or perhaps reset them?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: sometimes, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: I have to reset them once in a while
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: do you just remove and reload it?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: reinstall
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: I reinstalled, still no good any other ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: Is it erroring?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: no just running me to not the right locations for some areas not all
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: for example gallows hill and lidnesh
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wraiff Tech: I usually have to reinstall the GMCP Mapper plugin to resolve those issues
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: I have reinstalled all plugins still having issues, any other ideas?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: I get this message Aardwolf MUSHclient Package Update Check Error Could not access the Aardwolf MUSHclient Package download page to check for the latest version number. Please make sure that you are able to access the url below in your browser and then type 'PACKAGE UPDATE CHECK' to try again...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: I am able to view the url though and it still won't update
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: am I able to update it manually?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I just spent an hour trying to debug regex because I didn't realize . doesn't match line feed by default in Java. I want that hour of my life back.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: I felt the same way after watching 'Speed 2'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: then give up  java for life, you will get it back
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: But in that hour, you learned what the . does :D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Java is fun as hell: It's like being on vacation with a tequila. But the "match anything" character magically not matching one character by default is maddening.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: It makes no sense. Multiline matching is off by default, so why that? Ugh.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: so my mud never updated since I was playing on the desktop of windows 7 and not the flash drive like recommended, is there a way I can update my old versioin manually or transfer over my mapper info , triggers etc to my new version which will stay on my flash drive?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: just read how to upgrade your client
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: it is enough just to move some files, yet your target version should be more recent than source one
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: ok thanks I will try
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: always backup files before overwrite
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ratpack Rintrah Tech: would there be an easy way to either transfer mapper portal entry's or cexits between clients?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: any ideas how to reset search and destroy other than reinstalling?  Or can anything else cause xrt to take me to different locations than it should?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: you can reset the databse.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you can "ext debug" and check why xrt takes you to wrong area
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: What is the command to have all the windows in mush resize?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p3KlrfjcjV4
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: resetaard
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: latest threat to the internet
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sexcellent GabeLogan Tech: thx
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lechist Tech: I am making aliases to runto public portals. goonyx does "mapper goto 47108", portal room at  The Underground Hall but though it works in the command line it fails as an alias. Any ideas please? 
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: you need to change the dropdown in the alias edit dialog to use "execute" rather than "send"
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lechist Tech: I new it would be simple! Thanks.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: any idea why s&d will not work?  When I click to go to gallows it takes me somewhere lost in cradlebrook
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Shinwoo Tech: also many other areas don't seem to work
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: bah, i hate it when the map isnt saved from last session
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: Ugh, stupid cmud is confusing me now xD i am used to writing triggers from mushclient. i just want to make my QUEST: You may now quest again. trigger an audible beep
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So... what's the problem?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Why are you not using MUSHclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: make it page yourself
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: instead of having it all easy like, this is what appears, this is what happens when that appears, it has all these stupid other boxes and buttons in the trigger making screen. i used to know how to do this ages ago
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: so the output would be "Page self Quest!" or something
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Everyone I know using cmud only does so because they can't be bothered redoing it all for MUSH
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Even if CMUD is much glitchier, many consider its map to be more flexible and useful.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: How is it glitchier? (I haven't ever used it, personally)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There are some things I can easily do in CMUD that I can't, for the life of me, figure out in MUSH.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The MUSHclient map is custom designed for aard, so while it is less flexible, you can't use that flexiness for aard
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The downside to CMUD is that it's no longer being developed, so bugs that currently exist will always exist.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Not being able to manually place rooms and have them all drawn is a big downside to me. The auto-generation is only "adequate".
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: And CMUD is closed-source, and in an awful development environment.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: By itself, MUSH doesn't officially support GMCP, which is why the GMCP handler had to be created (as far as I can remember).
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I tried to work with the guy back in college (even signed an NDA that expired by now), and the code was so weird I just abandoned it.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Someone worked with him, and tried to steal the code, heh.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Heh, nothing there to steal. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Freaking Delphi...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Anyway, if only MUSH's rooms could be manually placed instead of auto-generated, it would be awesome. They can already be clicked on, so maybe click-and-drag would be reasonably non-difficult...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I don't think that'll happen.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Nah.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Too little demand.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not only that, but the way it's drawn to begin with.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Not that hard to adapt. A couple extra fields in the database, iterate linearly instead of recursively...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: The hardest part would likely be the click-drag functionality.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: So.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: To get back to my original issues. in cmud, using the QUEST: You may now quest again. line, what do i put in the next box to get it to beep me
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: #beep
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: tried that, it said it didnt match
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: You need to put that in the script box
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can do #PLAY <media file>
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: the next line below the pattern is just to test.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: go to the tabs below and click the "script" tab
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: there it goes, i missed the next step button
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SumDeus Tech: Is there a bug with Aardwolf client where you sometimes get no message feedback after typing something?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: Okay. one more thing. I added a package from the library, one that is supposed to add the aardwolf map in another window. it installed, but it didnt show up anywhere.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Go to Window, check for a new window (Map, perhaps)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: It isnt there
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: it says something about a MAP tag needing to be enabled, as well as some MAPEXITS and MAPNAME tags, but it doesnt mention where to find thme
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, tags.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: tags map on, tags mapexits on, tags mapname on
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yshamael Tech: Ah, there it is
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: If I want to capture the output of note display, is it safe to trigger on the ~~~~~~~ line, or does anything else in aardwolf use a bunch of tildes?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I trigger off it myself, but if someone puts a bunch of tildes in the note itself...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: For the longest time, I've wanted a config option to put a character at the start of every line of a note. It's the only thing left open for trigger spoofing.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Or tags or something.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've asked for it. Others have asked for it.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Suggested it multiple times, never put in. :-(
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: can always alias 'note' to echo a command before and after the note.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Personally, I'd love to see {note}blah blah blah note{/note}
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: and trigger off those.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Oooh, good idea...I could send a tell to myself before and after, gag those tells, and match on first and last line of tildes between them.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: That's genius.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: alias nread echo {note};note read;{/note} would work, but not the most effective way.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: At least, not in my opinion.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: it's not ineffective either.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Oh, echo command. That doesn't spam elswhere?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: No one gets spammed with it.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: sends to you only
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: And it's in-band so it can't desync.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Well, even if there was a <NOTESTART><NOTEEND> tag set, it could still be spoofed in the note since there's no escaping.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: but the echo/foo/echo idea is flawless.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Would be beneficial to use something that no one else is likely to trigger, though. Perhaps: echo {Note reading process started}
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: *blink*
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Oh what the crap, GMCP escapes the forward slash? Eesh.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Well, I guess JSON does.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Eh?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Where do you get that notion from?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: When I used forward slash / , the GMCP JSON echoed back at me had it escaped. I remembered reading that on the JSON website but I didn't handle it yet.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You can use a password in the gagged stuff to prevent spoofing. I have a particular sequence of letters and numbers I use when I need to prevent spoofing, and just include it in the triggers you use.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Yeah Vakieh, that's genius and I'll do it.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I'm writing my own MUD client for personal use (strictly educational: the actual MUSH/Fiendish client is obviously 1000x better), and it's been such a fun learning experience so far.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Diving into the old RFCs makes me feel like I'm back in high school.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I've also written my own Java preprocessor to give myself interesting language constructs not present in the base language, like multiple return values. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Meh, my note reading setup works perfectly for my needs. Emails notes flawlessly, for the most part.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: You capture them and email them to yourself?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yep.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Loopback SMTP?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Been doing so since 2010.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I use Lua SendMail.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Used to use CDO, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Man, email tied to UN*X login...the real good ol' days.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I had an idea for a note editor that would open a text editor with a known local file name, and then read it back in to send, and avoid the ingame editor entirely.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I avoid the in-game editor.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Why would it need to open a text editor if the file is already there?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I write my notes using CMUD's editor.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: And use a function to automatically format my lines.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I mean using a client command like '/reply' and it would write the last-read note quoted into a text file, then open it in VIm. Then '/send'.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So I can type format "This is a super long line that normally would not pass through the in-game editor, but this function is super awesome and breaks it off at 79 characters, or the nearest point before 79 characters that is a full word."
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i  love that you want to avoid the ingame editor and use vi instead :P
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Hxsesthuli: Interesting. I should do something like that.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Ingame editor is cumbersome for anything but a line at a time.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: i agree
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: If all you want to do is type a note and be done, sure it's nice and quick, but reviewing and formatting and altering...no.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}<pretitle> Scars Tech: i end up using the editor on aardwolf.com
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: The formatting is taken care of with my function. Admittedly, I never thought about your reply method, and now I want to write something that works like that, ha.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hxsesthuli D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Oh, the colon is an emote character?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I need more things to add to Melvin, too.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: :D Haha
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: :D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Wrong.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Use a color code that doesn't do anything.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Use @e or something
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You can do: @::D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: It doesn't choke on invalid codes?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Nope.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Interesting.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: [Melvin]: Schenectady, NY: Clear Temp: 29.7 F (-1.3 C) Wind chill: 30 F (-1 C) Humidity: 46%.  Wind: NNW at 2mph.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Damn, that's cold.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Ah, a word I never knew how to spell.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Schenectady?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Also, that's not cold at all, with not even a light breeze. Thin jacket weather.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm from California. I like my weather to be in the 50s-60s.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I'm from the east coast and just moved to California. What a pleasant change. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Eh, bugger your warm weather. 60F over here and I'm annoyed I have to carry my jacket instead of wear it.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Any bored java programmers that would wanna write up an implementation of dijkstras? :D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Pretty sure rosettacode or something would have one of those you could google
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: has anybody used taskrabbit before?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Thunderous Norton Tech: i think my missus has... is that the one with 6 settings for pulse and vibrate?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Justme Juictice Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: TaskRabbit? I use it a lot, why?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Pretty handy service. We use it for work.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: I know it sends -1 for the exits in a maze room, but does it ever send -1 for the room ID number of the room you're currently in? or can you count on always knowing which room ID you are in, even if you can't see where the exits go?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: If the room has a room id, you'll see it,  unless you're blind (if I remember correctly)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Hmm, the wiki says it shows -1 "when a room is not mappable such as a clan room". Does that mean only meta rooms like clan rooms, or any actual main-normal-game rooms?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: I believe only clan rooms are non-mappable, but could be wrong.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Awesome.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Navi Tech: Alright, I'm not figuring this out.. So I've got an adjacency matrix for routers, and I need to figure out which router would be the next in path to a specified router n.. If that makes sense..
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Is there any like gmcp or the likes that stores my last kill?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: the command lastkill....?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Interesting, I didn't know about that cmd, tho not quite what I'm looking for. I create a script for my tintin that logs my campaign check output and then autodeletes the mob from the log based on death message. I didn't consider that the death message changes based on the weapon I use. So I can either add an action for each death msg (which stores the name of the mob that just died), or I thought if the game captured if I may be able to pull it from there.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: anyone know anything about BDR readers?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i'm trying to figure out why i always get a checksum error
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: does anyone hear using a macbook air experience eyestrain?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PeppySnail Anaristos Tech: I hear they are a strain on the pocketbook...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: http://justgetflux.com/
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: You bought a mac?  Hey I've got some great water infused with the essence of diamonds I'd like to sell ya.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what no unicorn tears ?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: I can get that too
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: heh, there is actually a line of diamond infused water coming out.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Yeah... marketed to the same people that buy macs :P
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Allow me to disagree, since I have a mac. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PeppySnail Anaristos Tech: the only problem I have for f.flux is that it is free. There has to be a scam somewhere.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Pleiades I have a 2010 mpb, and I did experience eyestrain when I first started playing. I had to adjust the colors in my client. If you're meaning a general eyestrain, I'm not much help. I didn't care for flux, though I know a lot of people do.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I dont seem to experience it with my other laptop
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PeppySnail Anaristos Tech: you could also have your eyes checked, just in case.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: how about I check your eyes, vato
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PeppySnail Anaristos Tech: easy, esse
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}PeppySnail Anaristos Tech: I am serious. Eyestrain should be checked.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Don't get me wrong macs are g...gr...gre I can't say it.  I'd just rather have an i7, 2 gtx 680s, 32GB of RAM, and two 256GB SSDs for $1000 less :D
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I wanted something light and small to travel with
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and a tablet didn't work for what I want
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There is nothing wrong with macs for those people who are either unwilling or incapable of tweaking.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: so that's when the macbook came into play
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: and have money to burn and don't want to donate to charity :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But the OS suffers from what to me is the worst sin of interface design: my (apple's) way is the best way, and therefore the only way I'm gonna give you
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Vak - have you MET Win8 yet? *laugh*
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: I lost respect for Apple when they went to a the intel chipset. The motorola  cpus were almost good enough to be mainframe.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I have... I ran. But you always skip a windows release
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: as far as their  instruction set went, that is.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: macs have compatibility issues
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I am still running xp on one of my laptops :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: now we know how old the laptop is :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: xp is still a great os
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: 8 hasn't been that bad, now that i've "adjusted" - but there's no way to "change" to a different view.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: you don't ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's a laptop that's less than 2 years old
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: I don't want to run a laptop like a phone.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Rikitiki Takihisis nods at SoloSnail Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Now that Ballmer is on his way out, W9 should be perfectly fine
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: I agree, which is why I found a way around having to.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: just has an xp image on it
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: I was under the impression with XP you couldn't keep stuff like IE, Java, Flash up to date.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: I got around it, too. Dumped my w7 from the laptop before I installed w8. Then I just put it back on a second partition :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: It's easier to just disable the "apps" and install the actual programs...
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: But whatever works for you! :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Why stick to Windows at all?
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: not sure if you can keep it up to date
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: that would have been too logical,  Taki :)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Because I have the unique ability to blow up hardware with Linux.
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: That sounds like fun
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: (I say that completely seriously - I literally made a HDD explode running RedHat)
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: you can keep it up todate, as long as windows releases upgrades. Only when ms stop supporting the system that you are stuck.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: And that's what they're doing with XP in April.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: Anyone wanna buy my copy of XP? *wry grin*
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it's not my problem anyways..I can't modify it
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: now, if you had w98, well...
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto nods at SoloSnail Anaristos and says, "I concur." Why didn't you?!
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: I think I've got that too
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: w98?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: 95, 98, 2000, 2k server, xp...
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: I'd have to look to double check I didn't scrap the disks last year when I moved.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SoloSnail Anaristos Tech: wow, that must really be an ancient machine :)
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: also had all the program releases for them LOL
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: ana - at one time, I had over 15 machines running in my house.  No longer, but I still have the disks.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: also had multiple copies of linux
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: <--- nerd.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Rikitiki Takihisis Tech: on that note - night folks!
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Divlia Tech: which cexit do I need to be able to run to astral using xrt?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: The Leica M9 isn't any cheaper in Europe, by any chance, is it?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: probably not
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Anyone happen to have one they don't want? :D
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: that would  be rare ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: That's about the only way I'd be getting one right now
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: you could get a fuji xpro1 
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I want my Leica :(
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: a dutch store has a used one for 3600 euros right now
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: That's a bit more than 1 000 USD cheaper than new. That may be doable!
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: http://www.kamera-express.nl/product/12191095/leica-m9-steel-grey-occ-/
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There is a used one for 3250 pounds on amazon uk
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I've ordered stuff from them before, and had no problem
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: but again, you may want to look at fuji
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Dank :)
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: are you specifically looking for a rangefinder?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: or do you just want a leica?:)
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Rangefinder. But I'm pretty set on the Leica.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: read this:
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-review-a-camera-walks-into-a-bar/
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: and do you have lenses, or do you still need those?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I have a few
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Rather, my dad does :p
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: im trying to get triggers on aardmush
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bobolai Tech: i found the triggers window, clicked Add, and... i dont know what to do
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sweetchickx Tech: How would I get Basts statmon to not report certain things such us pups and quests? 
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: How do I find the file name that my mapper is backing up to?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: in MUSH
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: they're in the mapper_backups folder, or something like that
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: I dl'ed mush several times and now I don't know which I'm working out of is the problem
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: so just "db backups" "db file" I don't think will work
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: check the date stamp
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: that worked, thank you
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Havvoc Tech: anyone living in south africa with a linux machine and a good connection to the internet?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: Is that possible?!
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: define good :P
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: not on a phone, i guess
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sweetchickx: type "statmn set" to see the different things to report on...any that you don't want automatically sent to a channel, do "statmn set <the thing being reported> none"
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so "statmn set levelchan none" to not have levels automatically reported
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: how can I sign up for obamacare?  the website isn't working
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: then you cant
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: move to a state with a state exchange
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: how will the govt know if i don't buy their overpriced insurance?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: or move to vermont with single payer ^_^
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: so overpriced six people I know now have insurance for the first time ever...
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you're not registered, you're assumed not to have qualifying insurance
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and will be fined
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: overpriced for healthy and young and not poor, underpriced for old/sick/poor
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: some people think all insurance is overpriced... until you need it.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines nods at Sonshi.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: the healthy subsidise the unhealthy, that's kinda the point of insurance
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: where can i join a mutual - young healthy people only no old fogies dragging us down
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: however you're about to have a captive market, which is rarely competive, or if it is competitive it will tend to penalise risk, which negates the point
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: also, if you're young, healthy, and not planning to ever be old, you probably have bigger problems...
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and it's not really appropriate for this channel, try debate
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: ps, it'll always be a ripoff because insurance companies and healthcare providers gouge for profit
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Juictice Tech: insurance can make sense despite the profit, it's just extra bad when the govt screws up prices, and THEN layers a profit margin on top
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's still cheaper than the typical socialised health insurance cost here, but you get less coverage on average
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i would say so
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frostpaw Tech: remind me, mushclient can make buttons?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frostpaw Tech: like in cmud
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It can be done, but is more involved scripting wise
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But why on *earth* would you want to click, just make an alias
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frostpaw Tech: how about binding movement keys to arrows? forgetting if that can be done too
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: They are already bound to 10key, arrows navigate command history
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frostpaw Tech: and if you're on a laptop vakieh? no 10key
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: anyone know if it's possible to change the ctrl+alt shortcuts in mushclient? I use windows shortcut keys for various things and those take precedence
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Get a laptop with a 10key then, or get a wireless 10key pad
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: how do you tell mapper not to ignore level locks
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Mapper only cares about its own level locks, not the muds
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: you could also rebind the keys or use one of any of the available HID (keyboard,etc) macro/alias software available
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: piescript, ex.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: Ryv, in other words, you have to tell mapper which level to lock against. you can just set it to 1/0 to ignore, else to the appropriate level per portal/area
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: yeah but once i remort those level locks dont apply iirc, so id have to remove them?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Salamander Samalander Tech: so my monitor keeps going blank and I think that the backlight keeps going out. is there a way to fix this or must I buy a new monitor?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The mapper is just not designed to import other people's/character's maps, you will have to remove them after you remort
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: you'll have to run 'mapper portallevel <index> 0' to get it to ignore all the locks you've set
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: eh? I could see purging some things after tier but remort? I didn't clear anything
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Defines, level locks mudside are only for t0r1, Ryv is either using someone else's map, another of his char's maps, or he recreated
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: So is there a command that purges all level locks at once? otherwise that would be a pain to remove after.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There isn't Ryv, what you are doing is against what the mapper is designed for
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: Would the best move then to just use my backup after i remort? and use default until then?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Yes
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: How do you change your " home " portal from 1 room to another?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loshy Tech: not sure if its considered a bounceportal or whatnot
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Does anyone have a, preferrably open source, suggestion for note taking apps like rednotebook or evernote?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: Is there an easy way of having a trigger send the last command sent
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Does ! work in MC ?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: !
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: I think that is a default mud shortcut for last sent command
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: So try just having it send !
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Leinei Tech: it's a mudside thing -- doesn't depend on client
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Elxi nods at Leinei.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: o cool
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: That will send the last command your client sent to the mud though, not necessarily the last thing you typed.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: So if you have plugins sending commands they could get sent instead of what you think you sent last.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: So, I'm a phone user. I logged in once on mush, and now.. everything is wierd. How do I get it to stop saying mapstart and the coords when I move rooms?
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Turn tags off
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Oh, ok. Thank you. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: You're welcome
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: anyone tuned here?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: sup?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: got too love a request to look at tech and then it goes silent
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: lol didn't even notice, being busy :P
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: stealing all my portals busy
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Nah, I'm doing a quest :D
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: So if there are two 6 slot power connectors at the end of a cable from my power supply that I'm supposed to connect to my motherboard.  How likely is it to be an issue to connect the wrong one?  They both fit.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: wait... two six slots to your motherboard?  It should be a 4 or an 8 slot for your CPU power
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: do you mean two six slots for your graphics card?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Sorry meant two 4 slots...
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: then you're fine... both are the same basically
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Ahhh.  I've been having some issues with system (understatement of the year).  But when I switched one of the four for the other one, it started right up.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Wondering if it was the cause...
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: shouldn't be... generally Power Supplies will have two 4 slot connectors to support either motherboards with a 4 or an 8slot (4+4) connectors... both connectors serve the same purpose and have the same power so...
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Ah so unless there is something wrong with that one connector not likely to be the issue, damn was hoping it was solved :)
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: which cheapo manufacturer rank is using slot connectors that are not obvious (without the (obviously missing) documentation)
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the old power supply connectors of late last century came in pairs -- (the black wires were in the centre iirc)
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: these days, supposed to be almost impossible to plug in things wrongly (except maybe the ps2 keyboasrd and ps2 mouse - but those are labelled)
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Solipse Tech: I just build a new PC and sc
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Solipse Tech: and was waaay easy
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Solipse Tech: built*
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Solipse Tech: I'm pretty sure I couldn't have hooked it up any other way except the correct way
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Problem is I've replaced nearly every component except motherboard and processor.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: very little expert knowledge needed anymore for desktop build/repair
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: for any queries, hit teh googles
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It doesn't startup most times it powers up and screen is just blank.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: sounds like you're missing bios
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: If I power up repeatedly eventually it'll start after 20-30 times.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: o.O
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: more magic.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: how old is this contraption
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: few years
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: it still runs on vaccuum tubes
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Solipse Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Latest 486dx2!
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: did you upgrade to 3.5 floppies?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Went with the 16mb of ram so I could see the leader animinations in civ II.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: anyone experienced with pvr/dvr setups in canada?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: I use mythtv
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: dunno what that is :(
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: http://www.mythtv.org/
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: i want to replace my vcr with a digital recording device
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: but i'm reading all these things about qam ota signals
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Might be overkill, but I like it, and it's easy enough to use...
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: my betamax types take up a lot of room
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: tapes*
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: do you have an amber colored monitor, mendaloth?
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: or did you splurge and get paperwhite
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I had a 24 needle panasonic
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: hm... mythtv does seem a bit overkill
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: Are you sure you even need tv reception and recording? I just type "stream whatever" in Google.
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines nods at WarPigs.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oo, AOL is pulling the plug on Winamp, and won't be hosting it anymore as of December 20th.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Old news, Old Llama.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I think the bigger take away from it all though is that AOL still exists :-P
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I dunno which I am more surprised about, that winamp still exists or that aol still exists
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: AOL still has like 100k dial up customers.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Or something like that. Might be even higer.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Stupid missing h.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If people really want it, they could just host it somewhere else?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Oh, undoubtedly will be done.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: People have asked for open source, but I doubt it will happen
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Sites like Oldversion, etc.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Oh, I thought it was floss. 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There are supposedly some things in the codebase that would be financially damaging if publically available - which I can only take to mean patent/copyright violations
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Does any one know how if possible on blowtorch, how to make one trigger to grab the number of auctioned item and put bid before it so it auto loads the new auctioned item detailes?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Sounds like it would be possible. Check here: http://bt.happygoatstudios.com/?view=triggers
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Thanks much appreciated Vakieh
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You'll need to learn some regex as well though - a worthy investment of your time if you have any interest at all in mud client scripting, IMO
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Or any other type of coding.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Yes i made coffee , now im going to read through it and try to understand it :-) 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Or just using a command line efficitently :D
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: he could learn Lua lpeg :>
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Heh (:
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Heh (:
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Well, regexp is a terrible way to match text, but it's used everywhere and no one has come up with a replacement that is good enough to be universally adopted.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: Lua lpeg :)
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Maybe some day. Probably not.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: context free grammars are a cut above regex. There are just things that can't be done or have to be done awkwardly. It is worth the slightly steeper learning curve.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I mentioned lpeg because it is readily available. But there are many parsers out there.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: There are plenty of better ways to describe grammars and parse than regexp. But, the main point was "universally adopted". Regexp is everywhere. It might be replaced one day, but it would require something significantly better for all developers to start supporting some new scheme.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: ok, we can just stick to aard. [ This line: (I)(G) You would stomp A buzzing sprite into the ground. ] is a pain to parse with regex, but almost trivial with lpeg. By parse I mean, extract the mob flags and the mob name all in one pass.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'd like to see a scheme with (better) context sensitivity than regexp. And that is actually readable.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'm not saying lpeg isn't a better scheme. Maybe it is. But it'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I'm not saying lpeg isn't a better scheme. Maybe it is. But it's not available everywhere.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: Rarr, I keep say it, try lpeg. Gammon has an simple example of its use.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: it is available anywhere that has Lua.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I don't use lua. 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mushtrigs can use lpeg?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I write most my code in python or tcl.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: well, there are context free grammar parsers in other languages, including python, javascript and some of the compiled languages.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: what the hell is lpeg?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Domovoy Tech: Pattern-matching library for Lua, based on Parsing Expression Grammars.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: look it up, Remarto, Nick Gammon even offers a simple example of its use, to parse the exits line in your look  display.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Sure, and I can write my own parser too. Still doesn't make them universal.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Regexp (and glob) are pretty much the only text parsing schemes that are universally available.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: so your argument is, that we should use the worse tool because everyone is used to using them and there is need to get them to learn something new and beter. OK.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: there was the time when regexp was not universally available, it became universal because there wasn't anything else out there. Now there is.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: My point was that you should learn regexp because it's universally available. Then, once you know regexp, you can use something else if you want.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If all you ever want to do is code lua, then it doesn't matter.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Will allot of triggers like friend greetings etc. slowdown blowtorch and use moree data ?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: no, I said that Lua had a readily available parser, there are parsers in other language. The point is to learn about context free grammars.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I agree with that.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: well that looks alot more confusing then regex
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: You should also learn about context sensitive grammars.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: at first it is, you have to learn how to build exprssions.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: and even if you use another language, Lua is embeddable just about anywhere you want.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But most people just need to know the basics. And most coders probably only know regexp.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, like I'm going to embed lua in my python program just to get some text parsing scheme. 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: anyway, I don't want to beat this over the head with a broom :) Once you get the hang of lpeg, though, you'll want to rework all your triggers (almost) :)
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can use lpeg in triggers?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: sure, you just grab the whole line and parse it.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: grabbing every line doesn't seem very practical...
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: no, you wouldn't do that. Just th line you want.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto convulses as he shudders in disgust.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can't parse it unless you do a * trigger right?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: just use the client native extraction patterns.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so say mush.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's native, *?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: "<text>(*)" says anything that start with that text, grab the rest. You use lpeg to parse "the rest">
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, lpeg is a parser, not a matcher. Then how could it be a replacement for regexp? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I have been saying that all along. A context free grammar parser.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: well at the end of the day i'm going to use regexp to do that first match
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: seems repetitive/redundant to do it again with lpeg
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Ok, I've been talking about a replacement for regexp, not a parser.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: you take a free form string and you parse it to whatever components you want.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: to /get/ that free form string you need regexp.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That's a lexical analyzer
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: And a parse, maybe.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i think its going to be much safer for me to stick with just the regex  :|
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods at [Outlaw] Remarto.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i won't say it works awesome always, but it's what you have
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I use this to parse cmud's out from %walk or : http://pastebin.com/maGvnvTS
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: or %pathfrom
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's quite distinct from a trigger
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: triggers are the common way to catch data for scripting, but in this case the data is generated by a function.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: pattern matching is not the same thing as parsing which is not the same thing as lexical analysis. Some tools do more than one of those things, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I could implement a lexical analyser with lpeg.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I could certainly use it to parse cmud zscript, for instance. Not that I would want to spend the time doing that.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: So, 2 out of 3 then.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: regexp has great uses, and for many strings, there is no need to use anything else. But, in the case where I wanted to processes from ID, or appraise, for instance, I could do it all at once with one expression grammar, rather than trying to write regexp for each different output line. It is doable in regexp, as may have demonstrated. I think this type of data is what cfg is  meant to handle.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: problem is many things in aard are not really anchored
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so it's not easy to grab your 'free form string'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: without some sort of regex
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and if you're doing regex already, might as well just grab the variables while you're at it
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If all you need is pattern matching and lexical analysis, regexp is fine.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: don't worry i'm not trying to say regex is great :p
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: But, as I said, I would like to see a replacement that addresses the issues with regexp. Specifically, readability.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i know the many limitations i've had to struggle with
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sure
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: in the case of the ID output, you trigger just grab the entire output and passes the string (including \n's) to the parser. Without having to do any extraction.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how do you 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: from the +---- to the empty line at the end, just grab it all without looking at it and pass it along.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mush doesn't handle passing multiline stuff well
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i believe
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it did i would certainly be using lpeg for some multiline stuff regex sucks at
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice at Redryn, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ive tried doing multiline but could never get it to work
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you have no idea how much pain i had trying to compress spell damage before lasher did it mudside :p
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: funny thing you said that :) But as it turns out Gammon used an example for inventory miniwindow, which happens to work just fine for the ID output.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hahaha
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: with modifications, of course.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: problem with mush is also lack of #gag function
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so just grabbing stuff is not a solution
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you're using omit from output
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: that is a big one, I agree.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: meh mush i just grabb and omit fogagging
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's why i have to use regex to be picky about gagging
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't want to have to re-print everything, that's really laggy
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: you could use cmud... *srun
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: cmud's mapper isn't as customizable as mush's
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: main reason i switched
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: used to have zmud
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: needed gmcp, but cmud wasn't backwards compatible
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so if i was going to rewrite every script i might as well change to something with an already working mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: You know, I use both cmud and aardmush. I still like cmud's (zmud's) mapper  better.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i hear it's faster
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: at least when it comes to speedwalking.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: honestly with a modern machine the difference is negligible
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: plenty of gqs won with mush mapper ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and being able to modify it as i like is a huge +
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i also like mush's miniwins better
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: to me mush is more complex but more open
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: most people just use the plugins already out there, is there anywhere that explains how the mapper actually works cause sometimes i wish it was faster
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: I am sure. It's just that all my movement scripts rely on the way cmud generates speedwalks. I looked at mush's and I would have to write all my scripts again and some could never be implemented. AFAIK mush mapper doesn't use an A* algorithm.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mush mapper basically does a simple BFS
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Isn't the mapper written in lua, so you could rewrite it using whatever algorithm you want?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can edit anything you want
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: as i said ive looked at the code and just couldnt understand how it works :P
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: haha
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Yeah, lua isn't exactly a beautiful language.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: it looks at the room you're in and checks all exits
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: then it looks at those rooms and checks all exits
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: until it finds target room
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ahh
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: cmud has the generator built-in, which is a huge advantage. I wrote my own speedwalker, but it still has some bugs and I don't really want to spend the time debugging it. Besides, even that generator relies on the cmud map database.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: generator?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the aardmush has a default plugin with a mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: in other words im not gonna touch it or i will break it (bad habbit i know)
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: q request
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mis
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: how do i name a wildcard in the trigger line ? im triggering with ([0-9]+)\| but i would like to put an identifyer on it for easyer reading
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: (?P<tag>[0-9]+)\|
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: okay thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: this is an entire regexp tutorial: http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: i can do most of the regex, ust couldnt find the naming part :P, and it doesent seem to work :P, still registers as %1 only
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: I was just browsing g+ and saw this nice regexp visualizer: http://goo.gl/KxaGgj
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: im using http://regexpal.com/
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Yeah I normally use that too
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: I just thought that was a neat little site
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: o well ill just use %1 ect i know it works :P
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Be aware not all programs implement regex in exactly the same way - there are slight variations that can get very frustrating if you don't know to look for them.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Yep, that visualizer is js style
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: This is an EXCELLENT source of the theory behind it all: http://www.regular-expressions.info/
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in mush at least in plugins you use wildcards['flagname']
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: im making a stand alone trigger to begin with
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: 2/3 Flying VampireDude misread that as a stand alone complex to begin with.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The biggest difference you'll find in MUSH's regex is that naming pattern - a capture group like (?<captureName>.+) will work on MUSHclient to fill the named capture group wildcards[captureName], but it won'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto :|
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: ...won't work in regexpal
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: ahh okay thanks for that
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: was wondering why it was chucking a hissy at that
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: was thinking it was a good idea as numbers will be confusing when dealing with invdetails
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: which site got the fastes way to make a email adress?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: 10minutemail
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: hotmail
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: own server.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Thanks!
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: hotmail is no more
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: heh? Thanks is not a site!
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: sorry misread then.m
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: I
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: J
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: sorry, I have a question
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I might have an answer.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: every reply from the mud server has my stats in it
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: I remember I turned on this looong time ago. how do I turn it off?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: something about statmon
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: type statmon
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: For further reading see help statmon
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: oh, that was silly of me
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: sorry, it's been years since I've done this
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Serrin Tech: thank you
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: It's a common problem. Especially for people who change from Mushclient to something else that isn't gagging tag style output.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Any time your query relates to 'xyz', type 'help xyz' - 90% of the questions people ask have been asked many times before :D
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: can anyone explain this error, its on this line, (lua mush) for k,v in pairs table do, i keep getting the error, expected do near table ?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in pairs (table) do
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: im an idiot
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: NoSnail4U! Anaristos rapidly nods twice at [Outlaw] Remarto, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto glares at Schnell, the mighty warsnail.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: anyone else gets random times where Chrome won't render a page properly unless you refresh it a few times?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Grae Tech: in Win 8...
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Never had that problem on linux or android.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Did youtube just increase the number of video ads by a factor of 4 or so, or is it just me?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SlowMoos Tech: i think you're right
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: That sucks. 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: never seen ads on youtube
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Guess we'll see a premium service soon, then.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: it's called adblock
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: If you block ads, the terrorists win :D
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've had that problem grae, on win 7
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: pretty sure i've had it on win xp too
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: firefox and chrome
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: bloody neighbours and their dumping broken laptops on you
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: how does one reset the search and destroy window location?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: xset reset gui
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Thank you! :D
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: how can i set up my aardwolf mush client to make a noise, like a .wav beep whenever my quest timer runs to 0? ive tried a bunch of stuff with no luck any help?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: but the prompt in the trigger, and click on the sound box in the bottom right
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: you can dl new sound files from the internet to make it play whatever sound you want
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: print ("\a")
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: yea its the prompt options that mess me up
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: just "QUEST: You may now quest again."
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: ok
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: then echo the command to test it
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: oohh thats what echo mean slol
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: have trigger to... print ("\a") and 
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: what is that?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: \a
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: send to script
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tasty Tipro Tech: A basic trigger will work fine for this purpose
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: also you can add on the next line... :  ColourNote("white", "blue", "You raise a level!")
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: or say you can quest again.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: print ("\a") will sound three 'ding's to your speaker output.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: ohhok thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i just had a lucky escape
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A large blue sweatdrop appears on Tigernuts's forehead.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: neighbour got a free laptop from their kids and it was a bit screwed up, managed to resurrect it, downloaded all the drivers (from manufacturers site, specified by SERIAL NUMBER) and the bios upgrade bricked it, they'd supplied the bios for the model with onboard VGA whereas this has an NVidia card
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: fortunately i managed to find the correct bios on their ftp site which isn't advertised, find destructions for using boot block to flash from a floppy drive blind (no screen, so can't see if it's working)
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: any amira users around?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skull Tech: where do you check your computers running system, rather it has 32 or 64 bits etc....?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Roidrage Tech: right click my computer and go to properties it should say it there what os your running
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Skull Tech: thats what I needed....thanks Roidrage.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Roidrage Tech: your welcome
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: either wine/mush keeps crashing, or there's a shortcut to close apps on a mac that I am not aware of
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: are there any "gestures" on a macbook that would close an app?
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: nod, gesture that guy right out the window.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Not be default, no.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: by, even
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Yes, you hold your hand as if gripping a baseball bat, and then move it up and down slowly at first... and then faster and faster.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: well theres the gesture drawing all five fingers together like a claw
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: on ipad its the same as hitting the home button, but that just suspends the app... on osx I believe it closes the app, but I havent had a mac in about a year now
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: sometimes, when I switch from the wine app to a browser, the wine app closes
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: how do i add plugins from other sources when using wine and on a mac, copy and paste doesn't work
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: copy / paste ? why don't you just copy that plugin into worlds/plugins folder and then File -> Plugins -> Add... ?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: because i can't copy the plugin files into the directory straight from the mac finder?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: i don't know where  i can find that directory straight from my mac
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: can anyone help with the winkle winkle search and destory plugin? everytime i get to the area, it gives me an error
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what error?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: the error it gives me is " Alias Function "quick_where_start" not found or had a previous error
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: that alias/function is in WinkleWinkle_Search_Destroy_2.xml
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: so you probably don't have that plugin installed
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: ok i am reinstalling it and redownloading it as well
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: no it keeps giving me an error i can run to the area then it just gives me code 
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: when i do try to install the plugins all it says that it installed, but it says \worlds\plugins\constants.lua contains an invalid path (not loaded) is the files corrupt?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I think that problems are related to wine / mac 
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: yea well ..damn
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you need someone who familiar with Mac to help you
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: maybe Fiendish or Abelinc could help you
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I would just open that file and check the paths in it, maybe it's something obvious :D
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooven Tech: where do i download plugins for aardwolf?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: from the sites of different players
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: try abelinc, fiendish, bast. Maybe some others
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pooven thanks Ayasinda heartily.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: What does the Bytes in , bytes out mean when typing mc
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: the amount of data being compressed?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: yes but out from where ?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the MUD would've sent you 78,230, but because it's using MCCP, it only had to send you 15,565
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: (as of when I looked at your stat, anyway ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: thats a huge difference :D sneak you lol
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: sneaky
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it only bothers compressing from MUD to you, as the commands from you to the MUD are tiny in comparison
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not too sneaky..."who 4 4 compress" shows the compression stats for all level 4 players with compression turned on
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: Nice, thats why i only use 4 megs a day. im gonna try that new command now. like to learn new stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when I see people asking for certain types of help, I use that method to determine whether they're using a "capable" client (so mxit users, telnet users, etc won't show up there)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: ahh clever that
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: can we know the total amount of cexits we have?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: type mapper cexits
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Eyy, if anyone's into that sorta thing, I'm working on an Alias that lets me bid the next min bid, instead of copying the number. :) Something like "mbid 344"
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: using mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: That gets me all hot and bothered...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: and is it legal (trying to scan the newbie channel)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: yes it's legal.. you have to be at the keyboard to use it
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It's not about being at the keyboard o-o It's an alias that copies a number. That's totally legal. No auto-sending.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: so u want to send and alias, with arguments?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Yes?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: I thought it was only illegal if it was something that would keep operating even if you weren't at the keyboard..
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Illegality is anything that gives you an unfair advantage over other, as the result of a script, as far as I understand the law here.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: others*
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: it doesn't have to be the result of a script
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: That's completely subjective...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: read help botting :)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Yes, yes, an asian guy being paid to grind mobs is illegal, as well :P Geez
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: dang, cus thats a great idea, outsourcing lol
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: WoW and gold mining *sighs heavily*
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: standing afk in a room with aggros is also illegal. And that uses no script
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: for the latest example... board announce... note read 1119
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk doesn't feel as devious as the experienced ones.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk has already read that one. *devilish grin*
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Woohoo, my mbid alias works :D
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}SnapDragon Shazam Tech: do share :-) 
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Hrm, I should probably create a proper script for it ><
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: btw, the last bot nuked was at the keyboard
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Abelinc, are you insinuating that I'm illegally botting? Why?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: I heard the one before that was using Telnet.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: mbid sounds dodgy
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, I was reading tech -h and responding to "[23 Nov 14:52:07] Nonsense Tech: I thought it was only illegal if it was something that would keep operating even if you weren't at the keyboard..
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I used to have a great TP token bid alias...but current bidding makes them unnecessary :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I'm logging this conversation
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: me2
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: might type it out of A4 watermark paper
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've mentioned my TP trig/alias setup before in my logs as well
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Pleiades, lol are you going to have a live discussion about this? :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: A4? silly non-Merkins :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: this winkle winkle plugin doesn't work.. like it goes to the areas, but never finds the mobs? any help
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: there can be unfortunate accident - you MUST go afk while in firenation or crynn(cant even recall there). so, nuke?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes. That's the way Lasher rolls.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: maybe all the recent nukes happened because the botters kids were sticking their fingers in the wall sockets
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: in the vast majority of rooms (and for the vast majority of the day), the QUIT command still works.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: your 3-year-old daughter falls down the stairs while you're in Crynn, and that's an automatic Nuke if you don't stay at the keys
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: oh there:) i havent used THAT command in 2 years:)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i don't the he minds if you stay for a pop. stuff happens
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: i've done it plenty of times when i had a lousy internet connection
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Pleiades was insinuating (by reference to note peek 1119) that somebody without a script on telnet is also botting if they are at the keyboard in an aggro room and merely standing there
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: sometimes my connection doesn disconnect. but cant send commands
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Hwu: Does your character exist today?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then STFU
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at you.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: stfu yourself. this is unclear matter actually
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's not unclear in the least
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: stacked commands result in the same punishment, Zade, so we probably don't need to waste time on the bot versus not-bot argument for stacked commands.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: a prior Tech conversation (ratified by Abelinc) stated that stacking commands and remaining in a room is legal
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What's the sense in the aggro issue, if there's idleout after 15 mins?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: help stacking
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it is, and Abelinc has also said (paraphrasing here) that "bots are legal".
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: though you cannot stay in aggro room
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, I've said that legal bots are legal
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Aggro mobs prevent you from idling out.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlamacazqui Tech: because of autoquaffer scripts Kosirk (for example)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there are two separate questions regarding things like AFK in aggro room...(1) is it illegal...(2) will you get nuked for it...the answer to (1) is unquestionably "yes"...the answer to (2) will be situationally-dependent...is it a pattern, are you thumbing the rules, etc
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is only a timeout if your client never sends anything...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: many players have "don't time me out" measures, and spellup scripts would also stop you from idling out
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades scribbles down some notes
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I send a carriage return every 10 mins to not time out
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Abelinc: Is it specifically client? I had been under the impression (simply due to always using a client) that if your character is not idle MUDside (in battle, etc), you may remain indefinitely (barring your own client autodisconnect)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: imm
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: never tested...would be interesting to telnet in and attack barney...err tier
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: You would idle out in battle last time I tested out.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: That was a _long_ time ago though.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Yeah, not something I'm going to actively test.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: you still do afaik
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ooh, I feel so loved...let's see how long this lasts: Gener is no longer ignoring you.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: as of a year or two ago, cause i reported a bug with it :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Idling out (get d/c) during an idle fight, after timeout, makes sense. Nothing else does.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: i just wanted to see your side of this conversation  :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tech -h shows ignored people
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: how can you be idle in a fight?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Not an Imm Erikson Tech: Carefully-practiced laziness.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: just letting melee do its thing
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: attack barney and walk away
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: attack barney and watch the colors display
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not legal to do for immune MOBs in case someone else needs them, but OK to do on punching bag MOBs because they're multi-attack allowed (no real reason to, though since you don't get better)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I personally find short idle outs odd. MUDs are basically advanced chatrooms. Chatrooms are for idlers. I mean, why not have a 1 hour idle out? An hour makes more sense.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: use irc to chat
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: irc :)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: The "go somewhere else" answer doesn't resolve this, at all. o-o
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some people use MUDs as chatrooms, but MUDs serve a different purpose...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, mud should consist of 2 parts : game server and chat server, then idle char could be logged out of game, but still remain in chat server
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's more the mush domain than mud
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: some MUDs actually enforce the timeouts, such that it's illegal to script anti-idles...aard embraces it and lets you stay connected 24/7
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What is the purpose of removing idlers?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I thought anti-idling was illegal on Aard. It ain't? That's great, although peculiar.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: MUD I used to play wouldn't allow you to stay connected 24/7.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Not illegal on Aardwolf.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It's the method of anti-idling used that may be illegal.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I left Discworld, because the gaming wasn't that interesting, and they insisted on banning idlers. Very odd folk. Quite sad.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and on aard, it doesn't have to be a "real" command to stay connected...just <enter> works
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: without active channels, (where the mud discourages channel activity) a mud is going to die -- new players log on, and there is suppressing silence. and the new player soon leaves (at least that is what happens on the muds below #20) 
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: significant gain from being idle is illegal
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk gains love from being idle.... feels ashamed for cheating on love....
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Just as an aside, avoiding idleout is easy with a trigger for "eyes glazing." I'm surprised such a thing ain't an internal game option, if that's the case. Or, even, have idleout be a setting that is changed manually.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no reason to trigger on eyes glazing...just timer every 10 mins...less work to do and less work for your client
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: (but then, on a hopeful note, if facebook, skype, twitter, etcetera, were to suppress conversational activity, joy oh joy, those abominations of the internet may also die and disappear)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Whoa there, you really think a timer is more efficient than a trigger? haha
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you should rather use spellup plugin to avoid being idle instead timer
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it is much more efficient, yes
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: much more safe especially when you get underwater
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: one needs to parse every line from the MUD, the other doesn't
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk draws out his Sword of Coding and prepares for battle!
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I've drowned, thanks to trigger after 6 hours my corpse has decayed
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, idling can definitely be a drawback
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Well, 6 hours idle is extreme :P I mean... Going to sleep or out? Just d/c man :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: using spellup you are quite saef, because when you die you are in aylor clinic resting
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: well, according to you kosirk, we shouldn't d/c :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: But, both a timer and a trigger use minimal amounts of memory and cpu. It's practically immeasureable. All incoming data, from the server, is parsed, regardless. Does having it matched with a case more heavy than having a 10minute match? Nope.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how many times it needs to be parsed is what the trigger changes, whereas the timer doesn't have that issue
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the fifteen minute idle out and forced quit at thirty minutes, protects the players from losing corpses -- an hour idle-out is dangerous
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's 5 hours to lose corpse...an hour wouldn't be dangerous, merely unnecessary
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, you can still "override" that time-out with your timer or trigger
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlamacazqui Tech: it's 3 hours to lose corpse - but yeah an hour wouldnt be dangerous
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're here to chat, then you'd be chatting ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: There is only 1 more parsing for a trigger, than without one. The parsing after 15 minutes, for 'glaze'. The timer, on 10 minutes, would parse every 10 minutes! That's 15m versus 10m, my friend :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Mandy Mandorallen Tech: What happens if the corpse still contains (owned) items after three hours? Are all the items destroyed?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: maybe there should be option that after death you need to stand or will be logged out after 15 minutes of activity other than stand
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: corpses rot to leave items on the ground, they don't destroy the items
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tlamacazqui Tech: nope - all items in players corpses fall to the ground
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sir Mandy Mandorallen Tech: ah, cool, thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: actually, that's not how triggers work, Kosirk.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk agrees with Trachx.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}I Sense Nonsense Tech: Did you know the word "Tahc" which is "Chat" backwords means "To speak" in greek?
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kosirk: no, parsing for 'glaze' is parsed for every single line that the MUD sends, not just when 'glaze' is sent
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: pc dies, chats an hour, forgets about corpse, at least on telnet, thirty minutes later, the corpse is safe
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: why the rotting then.. its clearly something that can happen only if the player has made a "technical" mistake
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Abelinc, every line is parsed automatically, regardless. Only the 'matched' situation is an extra.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, that happened to me (I mean items dropped to ground), and I have a lot of aard gear, luckily 2 players picked it up and notified imm (there were too many eq for them)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no kosirk
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: triggers have to be matched on every line, to determine if a match has occurred or not.  That's why you try to put as much plain text and narrow-definition wildcards as you can.  The faster you fail the match, the less resources are used to check.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: every line is parsed automatically once for every trigger in existence
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not a single grand-unified parse
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Every line from the server is checked against existing triggers. If there are any triggers, then it would try to match them. The matching fails on first disagreement. It's not slower than a timer checking every second (milisecond) for the 'time goal'.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you keep believing whatever you like, I'll continue knowing how they actually work :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: timer will be more efficient than trigger, still it really does not matter when you have modern CPU
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: until very recently, I MUDded on a 166MHz CPU running a 64-bit OS...I like scripting for efficiency :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: A timer checks against the variable every millisecond. A trigger, however, only checks when there is incoming data! Ha!
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you are wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: (yeah, dem nonprogrammers dunt knows whats theys talkins sbout, ssss)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk agrees with Zade :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: your version of timers will consume 100% CPU time
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: hm. about that old idle-botting. i don't remember absolutely any case that this was the reason for nuke. "help botting" doesn't list it. yet it does say, its illegal. there is no way to prove if it was an accident or not. so - the rule just doesn't work here
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: "tech -h pattern"
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Trachx, computers are big clocks. A timer is only a trigger against a variable check, that counts and saves its' own value every millisecond. A trigger is just an input against a variable check. It's not as if adding a check turns CPU load to max. The computer is checking stuff every millisecond, regardless. More load is more checks, not more timers.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not how timers are generally implemented within programs, kosirk, and not within any MUD clients that I know of...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: IIRC timers are supported at hardware level, still you can use your 'software' timer - just infinite loop checking whether your timer should just fire or still wait
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: the first one, though is running all the time does not influence CPU load, the second one will consume 100% CPU
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: a good hardware timerblock consumes next to no current. A good implementation of it does not involve the CPU until it fiers an interrupt letting the CPU know something happened which then serves the interrupt.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: A software timer is a trigger table using hardware timers o-o http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_software_timer
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I invite you to put profiling into your scripts to try to improve efficiency if you're so inclined
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: but I have absolutely no idea how the timers are implemented in MUSH for instance. I'd be surprised if it's a while loop reading out time and checking it against the times set in your timer settings though..
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you'll find that timers will be more efficient than triggers, and that that efficiency gets more pronounced as length of timer increases
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Geez we are talking about a ten minute keep alive, and y'all have gone bonkers on how to do it efficiently. Wasted more time talking than doing.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure, if you put in a timer to have something proc every tenth of a second it'll likely outweigh a trigger
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: spellup script works good for me
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: well, there is still hope for Kosirk, so not really waste of time
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as long as you're not in a nospell room or otherwise unable to spellup
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: A function that checks itself every millisecond puts more CPU load, compared to a function that only checks against input. Memory load? Timers tend to eat up more memory than hit and release triggers, afaik.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: well, I only idle in aylor
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: for idle, the timer has the secondary benefit that it doesn't rely on the glaze over message never changing :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: Kosirk, a poor implementation of it might do that, yes.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you still mess HW timers with SW timers
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: timer wouldn't consume more memory, as there's less information to be remembered for the timer
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk should really do his quest, already. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, in 142 days, cron has taken 35.12 seconds
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: for instance, most systems use a timer block for ticks. A hardware timer correctly programmed will not bother the CPU until the alarm goes. Such an implementation of a timer would be ideal from a current consumption and/or CPU load point of view.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: Kosirk, what you should do is remort :-P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: nod, clients often use a high-precision and a low-precision timer
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: ElFenerei, this isn't the channel for talk about player preferences. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: Kosirk, and now you're absolutely right :)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ayasinda falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only time you'll hear that today ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk fears no oldplayer.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: What would be causing mush to update the map window in the main window rather than the small dedicated map window?  The one with the legend
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: type "tags"
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ensure that "Global" is "On", and that "Map" is "YES"
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: thanks :)
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no prob :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: What would cause information directly after my prompt to not be captured correctly?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: line return?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: I have %c at the end for a carriage return thinking that would help but I don't think it did
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: Oh, I see the issue I think
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: Thanks!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Heh, glad I could help spin the wheels.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: is there a way to set the start of one area in another area (e.g. lower/upper planes to amusement park)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Everyone see Soul Calibur is out for Android now? :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Boy oh boy, did that take too long, just to get the Mushclient scripting to work >< Finally mbid works as an xml plugin.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Untested for bids over 100k :P Supposedly, it should request a doulbe send, as confirmation. A cute idea I had.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I have a sound to remind me when it is quest time :p like I've even listened the past month or so though x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Hehe. I stripped the miniwindows script down into just the miniwindow itself, and added the old quest noter script into it :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Now, I have a small nice window with my quest info, and it also has a timer for during the quest, and after, for when I can have another.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: xD I haven't needed to do anything script related for so long that I've forgotten how to do anything other than simple stuff. Horridly out of practice.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I actually needed help with the quest time sound trigger.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm very angry at Nick Gammon. Many things script related are horribly unclear for anyone who jumps into it. Lots of small things, that you'd never guess, without someone specifically talking about it on the forums.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I don't get angry. I get confused.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: VERY confused.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It took me a long while, before I actually went scripting here. At first, it was so unclear as to how things worked, so uninuitive, that I wouldn't do the least.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: Mushclient is easier for me to handle than most clients though, so I cannot complain about Nick Gammon.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Oh, the client itself is superb. Nick is a brilliant coder. He's just a horrible designer and documentator. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: which often goes hand in hand with being a brilliant developer :p
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: from what I remember, the documents are a bit boring, but they are clear. A bit too tiring to read though.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: They are clear, but they do not properly guide a new user in the ways of getting results. Maybe it's more specifically the lack of appropriate examples, which is why I needed so much help from existing scripts.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I just chalked it up to my horrid attention span.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You could be at fault, as well :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I know that I am very much at fault.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Hrm, I should probably make a sound and alert thingy for when people Ping me. I am a Blacksmith with services to give, after all.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I have enough annoyance listining to my voice taunt me to do my darn quests x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: listening*
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: LOL You actually used your own voice recording?!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: yes.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I meant a flashing taskbar and a quick gentle tone.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: even that may get to be annoying after a while.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: it'd be like someone texting you constantly.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I haven't even done very many quests for a coupla weeks though x.x I need to get back on top of that. That and leveling.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Nah, having it run just once for every ping is fine. Not like a long ringtone.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Whoa, this is a totally new character, I see.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: depending on how much demand you have- I used to play a game where whenever someone pm'd you, talked in group chat, or talked in guild chat, a sound played. Different sounds for different chats, but being even slightly popular could drive one up the walls on that game x.x
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Nah, anything other than pings specifically, should be quiet and logged. Pings are for emergencies and services, basically.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Hrm, no ping command in this game, eh?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mommas Boy Devol Tech: theres a page command
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I'm sorry, is someone talking about Nick Gammon being a bad documenter? Show me any one-man project of anywhere NEAR this scope which has better documentation than Help->Functions List
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: Imma head out back to read, laters bro.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: cheers
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It is literally a cut-n-paste and a few button clicks to create a sound trigger on whatever output you want...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Playing a ping noise, an alarm, some music, whatever.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Bah, who needs documentation if you have the source code? :D
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: woah, slow down egghead
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Woo, Page, nice! Can someone page me, please? I'd like to see it.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Vakieh, just because he's done great work, which he did and does, doesn't mean that the documentation is friendly towards new users. A fault is a fault is a fault.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The fault lies with people expecting to be able to program without learning how to program...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The documentation is the friendliest you will find for anything even close to this level of scripting power
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: My own experiences as an experienced coder, and seeing the forums, shows me how much is lacking. I don't see why he couldn't simply add more practical examples.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: For example, he tends to use <send> after triggers and aliases, instead of discussing more examples with functions and wildcards. Very annoying.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: The forum is packed with walkthrough examples of every type of script you can imagine, and the aardmush package comes ready made with bucketloads more. What more do you need? Because if you ask the question on the forums I've yet to see longer than a 7-day turnaround with working examples posted
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you're saying nick's documentation is bad?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i think it's pretty darn good
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: especially for people who have no experience whatsoever
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I agree, Vakieh. I'm saying it's lacking in the official docu'. I'm saying that how Mushclient is sorted is unintuitive and extremeply upsetting, and I'm not the only one saying that. That's all. Are we a minority? I don't know.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'll put all my recent work in the forum, so that others can review and improve, however. I'm sure I'll learn a lot from that. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I just can't understand what you could be comparing it to - or why when the forums are presented as more or less official documentation you would dismiss them as a source of that education
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: just put him on ignore, you will be better off in the long run.  he seems to think he knows all also
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: put who on ignore now?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: 0h
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: vak
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: personally, I think wondering why someone didnt provide documentation with free software begs the more pertinent question why, if you've realized this need, aren't YOU writing it for the community
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I love when I get to answer a question and someone who is ignoring me continues to pitifully whine about nobody responding :-) Happened with a certain someone's questions at least 3 times
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Encouraging people to Ignore others publicly is offensive. Better use a Tell.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: lol
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: 1. The forums are insufficient, as I've said. 2. Defines, I am :D Well, at least I'm making my scripts, and then sharing them for review. What better way to learn than from actual examples? :D
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: he doesnt owe anybody anything. he's provided awesome free software and the source. documentation about code should not teach programming, the idea that it should is absoluetly ridiculous. API docs don't cover language features. go learn programming dont blame some coder for not holding your hand when he releases code
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Captain HR Vakieh is agreeing with that Definitely Defines person again...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: excellent, please do share them :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: Kosirk apparently you don't have programming experience, Lua / Mush related forums are really helpful
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Defines, no, I wasn't talking about programming. I was talking about the specific thingies that relate to the client, only.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: like what? it seems like you were just talking about scripting in general. he didn't give examples. why should he? it seems out of scope
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Are you serious? He made videos and still people complain... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrA-Q7uqC0
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you have an option, the closest competitor is probably zuggsoft
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Examples that show how to achieve specific results, common to muds, by using his interface is very relevant. For example, he has the "regexp" option. It was very confusing at first, which I should use, as scripts mix regexp and non-regexp expressions.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: go check out their documentation :p
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hxsesthuli Tech: Or just write your own as a learning experience. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines nods at Hxsesthuli.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I tried checking out some TinTin features the other day. Let's just say I'm glad I know a guy.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: can you give a specific example of something you were looking up and found documentation inadequate for?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Ohhh, you will see in my scripts :D haha My misunderstands are rather clear there.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: I chose tintin just because it was so simple and easy to script and use. But then, I am awesome.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Wait, I thought you were being cynical. You actually do think that Tin Tin is friendlier, then?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: To me it is. 
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: TinTin is great if you're a *nix native and know how to program. TinTin would eat people whining about MUSH being hard alive :-P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Oh, I forgot to mention my 20 years of unix experience, and 30 years of coding experience.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Before I post, can someone tell me if this is working? Files being available there and all. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vntyvhifmwa71jw/aUnMxCD_hP
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: 5 xml files
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I do have several years of Linux experience, and more years of coding experience, myself. Although, I am not a professional.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: I don't like guis. #act {Pattern} {Command} style of making stuff and then just pasting a bunch of those in to a text file for reading feels natural to me.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Anybody got a nice sound for beep/paging? :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: unless you like the sound of me taunting you, no :p
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: I can even taunt all frenchlike, haunhaunhaun.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk laughs
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Can you send me you doing a 2 second frenchman? something funny maybe? :P I'd like that.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Blade Lord Kizactrin Tech: 2 seconds is too short for my humor xD
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I hope my new post in the forum is proper o-o Noobs never know.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Aha, great success! Now, my mbid plugin should run faultless. All tested. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: string.gsub in Lua is comfortable.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what about bidding on 3 items ? every has its own range ?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: The syntax is "mbid BIDNUM", so you use it freely. It rechecks everything every time.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: In other words, it sends "bid # 1" to get the latest min bid, every time.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I see, still it seems to me that plugin allowing for : bid 333 350k could be even more useful
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: or bid 333 3.2mil
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: does it bid for you?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: If it bids for you, then it is illegal since it is a bot.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: that was changed
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: yes i was goingto say that it would be illegal
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: or no talked about changing maybe, i don't remember
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: you mean mbid? it is not illegal if you need to mbid every item before bid
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: read help bot  not changed
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: if you just do mbit and it wins auction then it is probably illegal
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It's not auto-bid, for those wondering. It just saves hassle, by using the mbid alias, to bid the next lowest bid.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It's all up for review, anyways, so no worries.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Trachx, having 345k and 345m converted accordingly, should be pretty easy, if that's what you want. I hadn't thought of that, actually.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: yes, just simple convert, but allowing for 3.5mil so not just change mil into 6 zeroes (000000) but rather multiply number 
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What's the difference?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: adding 6 zeroes to 3.5 would be 3.5000000... quite a bit difference
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: xbid 333 3.5m = bid 333 3500000 (5 zeroes)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Oh lol, yeah good point!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Well, a plugin with an alias like "qbid bidnum amnt" that parses the amnt var accordingly, would be pretty easy to make.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Any suggestions on a universal cellphone car vent holder?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Would a qbid alias do the trick for ya, Trachx? I'm not sure I'd like a plugin that interrupts the regular bid command.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: yes, no need to intercept bid, qbid is good enough
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I take it that there is no suggestions.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: cellphone car holder? what for ?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: A cellphone
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: right, still, you need to talk while driving ?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Yes.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Maybe dx.com have something cheap? :D
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I am looking for one to be a hands free setup.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: then why not just bluetooth headset ?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I mean loose items can be dangerous in case of accident
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I would like to use my cellphone as a GPS too. Bluetooth headset is pointless for that.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: why not cellphone manufacturer's accesory then ?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Because I want something that is not suck to a certain cellphone make or model.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: I think even universal holder is not so universal, I mean if you need to use connectors in your phone
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: I found a nice CD holder, but some cars I deal with do not have a CD player.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: when I fullscreen youtube video
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it puts it in the corner and rest of the screen is black
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why is that
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: nobody puts youtube in the corner!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Woo, I can't believe I'm having this much funz, but I'm finishing the Quickbid plugin, now :D Ahh who was that asked... Trachx.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk sings along as he finished another cute script...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Woohoo my new QuickNotes plugin works like a charm :D Tomorrow, it will be as a miniwindow!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: Sweet :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: mush mapper has notes can add to any room, it echos when you enter it too 
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Where is the challenge in that? :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: not much challenge in re-inventing th wheel :p
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: i like the notes feature
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Nah, I don't want room notes. I want general notes. A notepad, but an ingame one, and something nicer than the Mushclient notepad, which I dislike.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: u can use it to trigger stuff in the room
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Sometimes I wanna revisit places, and I tend to forget them, if I don't write them down.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: xactly
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: i smoke so i have trouble remembering stuff from an hour ago :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I have an issue with remembering names, at first :S
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: That is bad shamrock. heh
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Anyways, now my Quicknotes remembers its' data between sessions, and is easy accessible and changeable! And looks nice, too :P Very very simple.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ShamrockV )
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'll add it to my post in Tech forum :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: what i would like is a window to pop open and display quest info and cp ch
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: bast has that already
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: It is very nice
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: who or what is bast?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: tyvm :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: events
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: i supose there is no easy way to see a list or even the contents of any note made in mush mapper
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: mapper notes here
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: and ... mapper notes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: i meant for all areas not the room im in
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: type mapper notes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: note the difference in the two things zet said
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: oh mapper notes does it, nice nice
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Shamrock, although Bast is beyond my abilities, you could check out my recent post at tech forum. I have two small plugins for quest and cp followup. :) Stolen from old script and embedded within simple miniwindows.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: forum
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: help tech forum
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: wow I typed mapper notes.  i did not realize i made so many  :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: help forum, help note read
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a handy use for mapper notes is "mapper notes adaldar" (or any other area name)...mapper help searching for other ways to find stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: how do you access dropbox folder?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: follow the link
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You see the link in my forum post?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: do "forum tech" and then "note list"
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: then "note read #" of my recent post :)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Abelinc, can you page me? I'm testing this trigger out :D for emergency and services.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: 'note from kosirk' will give a shorter list
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: i'll look for it in the saved log.. when i come back.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: page yourself or use echo ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although for best channel triggers, you should use GMCP
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: paging myself or echoing is quite different from the real page :S
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm not sure what you mean by using GMCP for testing purposes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I just paged myself.. it works
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: paging abelinc worked too
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: i have those bast plugins, i installed a few, how do i get the windows to show up? 
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they'll show up when it's time
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't use GMCP for testing purposes, you should be using GMCP for channel triggers
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: i installed tab window
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: and i got nothing
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and paging yourself and using echo is not different from the real page
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: Smamrock did you also install the broadcast and winiwin plugins?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm testing the ActivateClient() function, so I need someone to page me when I move away from it, to see that it works.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no you don't
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: do i install all the plugins? i thought it warned to only pick and choose
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, you don't install all of the plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: well i been playing with it for  30 mins, it says they are installed, but i dont have any windows showing
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: you install the ones you like. If you want cp, you install broadcast and miniwin cp. The tabbar plugin is a nice one to control them
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but tabbar surely wasn't what you were looking for
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: tabbar to make sure its working, and it isnt
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tabbar doesn't make sure anything's working
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: but keep in mind that cp and quest window may only appear when you actually are on a cp or wuest
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: have you typed cp check?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: well yes, but it shud show up when i install tabbar right? some sort of window??
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: no
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the page on tabbar says what to type if you don't see the window
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: but again, tabbar wouldn't do what you told us you wanted to do
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I also have the tabbar but the windows only show when I have a quest or cp active
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: well i dont get anything
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: did you type what the tabbar page says to type?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: and i just installed all the broadcast ones
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: and you have both miniwin and broadcast installed?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: what page?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you should never install a broadcast plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: broadcast plugins are not for you (or anyone)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: screw it, im turfing it all
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: they have no windows at all...you want windows, try installing the ones that say win
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: I DID THAT ALREADY
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and what page? bast's page
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: TABBAR IS A WINDOW
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: stop shouting
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: he has a page on every single one of his plugins, telling you what they do and what commands to use
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: well i dont like to repeat myself
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then don't say stuff that's meaningless
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: hmph
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so...did you type what the tabbar page says to type
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: as I've repeated multiple times so far
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: his install guide ends with, pick the plugins u want
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not install guide
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the page on tabbar
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: is the page, on basts site?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: how would you know which plugins to pick if you haven't bothered to go to the pages for the plugins?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes, bast's site
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: where it has 30 telling you what all those plugins do
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: well he should have that as the next step for installation
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: popcorns sounds good...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, it's before installation
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Pleiades nods at Velian.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: why would you install without knowing WHAT you're installing?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you don't just choose random file names
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk ascii mapper stopped working for no apparent reason, and restarting everything or anything doesn't help ><
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: yeah im taking care of that now, deleting
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: deleting wouldn't get you any closer
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: im removing all bast plugins
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kosirk: type "tags"...make sure Global is On and MAP is YES
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, removing bast plugins doesn't get you any closer to your goal
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: i have a new goal
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShamrockV Tech: the goal is to get rid of the bast stuff, forget i ever saw the page
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: They are :S
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: it's your decision but you are ignoring some of the best plugins made for aard
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kosirk: type "automap"...does it say it's turning it on or off?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Neither mode helps :S It's showing the map on regular and not on miniwindow.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: normally the only time it'd do that is if the map tags are not being sent by the MUD
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It might be related to my own plugins... I'll try some things out
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Not working at all.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: also make sure you're not in nomap rooms
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although if it's showing in main, that shouldn't be it
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm at forge, and nothing working o-o so odd
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I get the map TWICE when I move around, on output, with automap off o-o
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: if you're getting it twice, then it's being sent from the MUD, plus then being spit out from the capture
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: That doesn't tell me much, Abelinc.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'd say back out whatever changes you made recently
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Already had. Even did resetaard.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: resetaard doesn't back out changes you've made...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it just resets the plugin states to default
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You mean to the plugin itself? I made no changes to it.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you've been making quite a few changes...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Only with my own plugins.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: I need more popcorn
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: What would be causing my mush plguin to not capture and update cp targets right?  Seemed to change when I modified my prompt
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm really speechless here o-o
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: vex: make sure your prompt ends in %c
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: change your anti-idle to a timer and maybe the map will work ;-)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: Does my bpromp need to end in that as well, Abe?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Vexthorne Tech: That's probably it, thank you
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: lol I've already removed all my own plugins, but nothing changed.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I think I know what it was >< I think it's solved, now.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: grats
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Had to reconnect to verify this...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Use MXP "Always", instead of default "On Command" ... I think that did it. >< I dont know much about MXP stuff :P I was wondering why I don't get clickable links in this game hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there's no reason to have mxp on...and you do get clickable links here
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Like what? What should be clickable?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: http://www.google.com is clickable
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I mean ingame. Mobs, items, names of players.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: try bast's miniwin_eq plugin :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I don't need that. I mean like... Why can't I click a player's name to have it setup a tell for me? Or click an item to ID it? things like that.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so 'you don't need that'...but you want that...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What? I don't want it, either. I'm talking about MXP links dude. Not more miniwindows.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: mxp is irrelevant
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: the information is sent from aard in a format more conducive than mxp, if you choose to use it
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What format?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: depends on which particular piece...GMCP for some things, tagged for others...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: invmon and its related commands provide a ton of information
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk sees "You will now see inventory update tags."
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What's that for then?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: lots of helpfiles available...or check out miniwin_eq like I suggested
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Oh, just a tag for scripts.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: heh, what do you think mxp is?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: By the way, there's something odd about my page output... Send me one and ill copy and show you.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: again, you don't need anyone else to send you one
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: As far as I know, MXP is what lets me click thingies ingame :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: then you don't know what mxp is...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Just send me one and I'll show you. Totally different from echo or self page.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's not different in the least
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: do you guys want to create a support group?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Pleiades, send me a page, and I'll show you guys what I mean. It's odd. I'm being serious here.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I'm being serious as well...echo will test your trigger the same as someone else sending you a page will
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: blunt won't let me page strangers
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: What's blunt?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: a fellow clannie of pleiades's
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it's amusing that someone who was attempting to school us on how timers work vs triggers can't test his own trigs :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Works like magic :D But, this is how my page looks like: [01:41] Escobar pages you 'PAGE PAGE'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You see? It has an odd symbol in the beginning.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Blah, didn't copy the symbol here ><
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: http://s20.postimg.org/to22gvlyl/screenshot_12.png
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You see??
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: echo {tell}SoAndSo pages you 'Hi there!'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm probably doing bad regexp, as always.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HomerSimpson Tech: if you're having perl problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems, so I used regexp.... Now I have 100 problems! (stolen from xkcd)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk laughs
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: not perl, merely PCRE
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HomerSimpson Tech: the original is perl
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HomerSimpson Tech: http://xkcd.com/1171/
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: perl has nothing whatsoever to do with this...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}HomerSimpson Tech: no, but regexp do, and that's what the point of the strip is about
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Adept of Lao Tech: i love looking up larry wall quotes...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: kind of
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I use the regexp: ^(.*?) pages you
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: But when I display the %1 I get {tell}Name >< Must get rid of the {tell} part!
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ugh
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Any ideas Abe?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: take the {tell} out of the (.*?)
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: yeah, I thought maybe a more practical regexp answer..
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: ^[{]tell[}](.*?) pages you
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: That killed it dead.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: ^\{*\}(.*?) pages you   did the trick :D Evil regexp, indeed.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that should only match {}, {{}, {{{}, {{{{{}, etc...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You need to refresh on your regexp :D It works fine.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: since the * says "zero or more instances of what is directly to the left of me", which is the \{
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, I don't
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: . means any single character
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you didn't have a .
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ElFeneri Tech: yes, but * is a quantifier, not a matcher
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: in the first part
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: where you have "\{*\}"...it would NOT match {tell}
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it would ONLY match "}", "{}", "{{}", etc.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I'm saying that it works, and that without it, it doesn't. Simple fact.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: sure sure
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: You obviously know more theory than practice :P pfff
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and nothing you did caused the automapper to display twice in the main output and not in the capture
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Hey, I'm totally at fault for messing with MXP settings :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: wow, what a surprise...a copy/paste of your pattern doesn't work in MUSHclient :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: until correcting what I pointed out
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: See the proof for yourself. All I'm left is making sure it works in the no {} case. http://s20.postimg.org/mamohx1wt/screenshot_14.png
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: If you've got something working and good, then do share.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's not the pattern you posted..
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: "one or more total instances" or "zero or more extra instances" seems logical -- since "ZERO or more total instances of what is to the left the the *" is a T
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: you didn't have a period after the first {, which was what I pointed out
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and my pattern worked flawlessly as well
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Yes, THAT Neeper Tech: ooh, i'm in a screenshot
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: that's why copy/paste is better than trying to type
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Show your pattern...
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: tech -h tell
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: right when you asked for a regexp
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: That one didn't work at all, man. Did you see the different scenarios in my screenie?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: it worked flawlessly for page output
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: there is no scenario {}Bob pages you
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Does it give you a correct %1 var? The user name.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: yes
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Screenie or didn't happen :P
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: although again, the best way to do this stuff is to use GMCP, as the sender's username is sent in a special variable from the MUD
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: separate from the contents of the page/channel
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Can you give an example of how to do that?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: my autoreply plugin has an example of it..
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: And? Where is it?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: finger me, baby
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Kosirk laughs
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Get a room
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Gener covers his eyes.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Definitely Defines fondly fondles you. 
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I don't see anything new in your script. o-o I guess I'll just let this one with the strict {tell} situation and let it be.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: anyone know whats needed to not have to reinstall win 7 after swapping motherboards?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: should just need to revalidate
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Niera Tech: how to install a mini-window plugin?
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Niera Tech: for mushclient
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: just as you would any other plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: press shift + ctr + p
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: then click add, find the xml, and add it
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Niera Tech: thanks much
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: what is the best way to get all of the static electricity off my arms?  I keep grabbing metal but it wont go
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Water, maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: make sure the metal is grounded
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: like a washing machine or something
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: nothing grounded upstairrs.. hrmm.. 
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: When a hairbrush has static electricity and you get it wet, it stops having that. So.. Yeah. Really nontechnical way of explaining that on my part. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: ok, i poured water on the static electricity and now everything is on fire.. BRB
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: O.o
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: heh?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Now I'm wondering if that could really happen. Just for static electricity..? Shouldnt.. Sheesh, I feel blonde.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: are you sure your not?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Fi-Bot Fiain Tech: Hmm. 50% sure.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: so I ate all of the fire.. and now my stomoch is upset, i guess i just have to go downstairs, get some pepto, and touch the clothes washer :(
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: A grounded wall socket is a good way to get rid of static electricity.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ranrr Tech: Also fun if someone sees you do it and think it's dangerous
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: I really dont know enough about electrical wiring to be playing around with it.. I thought of the idea briefly, but this is just a minor annoyance
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: how would i change a room flag on mushmapper.. its set as norecall in error
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: delete it and walk into it
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: is that the only way? :p
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: no idea
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: its my clan recall.. trying not to delete cexits
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: leaving morgue set recall as norecall
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: You could open up and find the room in SQlite and remove it that way. However, I do not know exactly how.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: i'll delete :p
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Incredible Iceman Tech: thanks guys =)
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Ha! Got me a cute trigger to intercept Exits and make the "other" exit in white :D
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: is there something wrong with the Aard server atm?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: how so?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: I'm getting the message "Unable Fo resolve host name for "aardmud.org", code = 11001 (host not found) on mush right now
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and yet you're here
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: I'm playing by phone atm, trying to get mush to connenct.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tormat Tech: more like your desktop has some dns issue...
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: or isp
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: I just restarted my comp
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Wreck-It Roninleader Tech: oh, I think I figured it out. it was comp side issue.
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useless Hadar Tech: when writing a .c file i have an #include <math.h>, but when i go to compile it it says pow is undefined, where can i go check to see if i have the correct math.h with linux?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keldrath Tech: not <cmath> ?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useless Hadar Tech: using -lm while compiling works
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Anyone know how to resolve the 'No input file specified' problem on IIS 8 with PHP 5?
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Applying some of the options found through Google didn't help.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: how do you get the health bar back in mushclient/
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: found it
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: can anyone help set up a simple trigger on my aard mush client that plays a sound when the quest timer runs to 0?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: im not tech savvy soo its kinda of confusing
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: use as the trigger    QUEST: You have run out of time for your quest!   then select a sound
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bunnyy Tech: does mushclient come with sounds?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yeah 1 beep
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: no but u can use windows sounds or d/l some
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bunnyy Tech: where's it found under? i was looking for it but i ended up having to dl one
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: c:/windows /media
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: ok so i need some newbie tech help, i have a plugin that you can only drag from the top of the box, but i somehow managed to push the box off screen where i can't click on the top to drag it back into view, how do i fix this?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: easy way i think is to reinstall it
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: tried that
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Is it part of the Aardclient? If so, you can reset all positions and sizes with aardreset
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useless Hadar Tech: i was wondering how i can make it so that if someone registers through the boot website, and say im online on the website i can give sort of a "notification" via popup to me, or some other way (maybe how FB does it with the world dropdown)
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: Whenever I go into a clan, loqui, bard, crusaders every e n s w u d causes pass without a trace to nuligfy and recast, any ideas? not in general areas.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: meh donations r closed
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: mis
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zimzar Tech: any blowtorch users out there?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zimzar Tech: blowtorch keeps disconnecting me, is there a command or setting to help?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Doesn't it have a reconnect on d/c option? like in Mush
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: if thats the app i'm thinking of, it disconnects you every 3 minutes unless you get the paid version
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zimzar Tech: thanks for the tip, Flak
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Flak Tech: i could be wrong but i think i played around with that app and it drove me crazy to use :o
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zimzar Tech: yeah, i got my binds finally, its fun if i can just get the  full version
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Flak smiles happily.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: how would one go about making a trigger on blow torch that when you are disarmed you wear your dagger again?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: how come my s&d stoped letting me know if i need to level up or not to cp
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: anyone know why my S&D pluggin added an extra cp check after cp c all of a sudden?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: installed too many pluggins perhaps
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: happened after adding some pluggins yeah maybe thats it
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's cause bast and winkle interfere I think
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you should remove bast's and try again
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: oh, you know what pluggin specificlly?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: statmonitor maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can't remember, was quest track related tho I think
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: maybe its stat monitor, dont think its the gear pluggin
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: oh definitely not gear
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: something quest/cp related
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It is the cp broadcaster, which is part of stats and events
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: ah thanks will try to fix
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useless Hadar Tech: whats the best way to add "wiki markup" to a mysql DB with PHP if i sanatize(); it does not upload, if i do not sanatize it then it errors out because of the single quotes and other stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Useless Hadar Tech: nm forgot about mysql_real_escape_string
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: where is the best location to install Lua-for-Windows 5.1.4-46 on WinXP: Program Files (default), Administrator Documents, Shared Documents, ..
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: For Lua, try out this web page:  http://luatut.com/introduction.html  It has a Lua interpreter built in.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: i've already downloaded the 25664 KB LuaForWindows_v5.1.4_46.exe + the 2660 KB vcredist.exe runtime, and don't want to use the Program Files folder - likely going to stick the LuaForWin into the Shared Documents section - so i may program from either an Admin or Notadmin login (Luabug be damned)i
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: since you can have the lua dll anywhere as long as it can be found, you are not required to put it in Program Files (x86).
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: all this, so i may descramble and look at the condensed pluggins that came with the AardMushClient
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: like which one
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: you can open the .xml file in komodo and it will show correctly
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Komodo is a firewall, and a xml reader ?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: komodo is just a progamming editor not a firewall
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I use notepad++
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: supports lua colouring too
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: whats a good program to combine 2 video files and have them play one after the other
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: anything on a Mac
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: when i attempt to use Windows Explorer to look at a pluggin, get "Cannot view XML input using XSL style sheet"
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: use notepad++
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: I agree, on windows though
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: try avidemux or virtualdub, both free and pretty ok
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: nothing too fancy, but for just joining stuff
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: the Notepad supplied by WinXP displays a condensed mess
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I said notepad++, not notepad supplied by winxp
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: notepad++ rox
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: get NotePad++ a wondr=erful tool
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Exiled To Aphelion Tech: notepad++ is very nice.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: going to download Notepad++ to WinXp later - currently running on Win98se 
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Glacier Tech: With mushclient, when you copy something from the main screen, is there an option somewhere to include colorcodes?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: color copy plugin
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: ctrl+d
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: wow, have you got a millenium edition around?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You can use wordpad, it handles *nix newlines where notepad does not
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I was gonna say XP is old, but 98 is a another level
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I use notepad++ when I code stuff tho, it has syntax colour
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: it has language sytax support.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: XP is still supported ... for 5 more months
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I think it supports lua syntax too
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: it does
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: it has a sytax support menu
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: it supports everything.  and if it doesn't, there are syntax files on their site for other languages
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: or you can create your own.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: ^^
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Wordpad.exe worked -- is Notepad++ preferable to Wordpad
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Yes
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: well... I like the RTF in wordpad.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Loveable
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: are we talking text editor or WYSIWYG?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: it would be waste to use wordpad as text editor. It is designed as decoument formatter.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: what used to be called a publisher.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: exactly. It makes an adequate text editor in the face of the utter lack of a substitute
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Use worpad++ for a text editor, or get emacs or get Ubuntu and use real editors, OK?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Arnica grumbles about do everything Personal Computers
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Akuri Tech: even vim is better than notepad haha
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: and gvim rocks
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Vim is worlds better than most editors. Also, get a real distro if you're gonna switch to Linux.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: CentOS is a good place to start :)
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: already use an excellent fast-programming text editor from the Dos window days -- merely require to output the Wordpad image into a *.txt file devoid of the fancy formatting
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Zade?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Notepad++ likely supplies linewrap which the Dos Editor displays as one long line unwrapped - but the line block manipulations are far faster in a programming-editor 
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why is vim better than notepad++?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: gvim and NotePad++ are a tossup in my book. just different platforms. NotePad ++ is as good as I have found for non-professional Windows.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: an Interactive Deskop Environment programming package is great for debugging though, but heavy code typing and manipulation requires an editor that does require speedtyping to mark out and move blocks fast
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i don't see how hard it is to move blocks in notepad++
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: ctrl x ctrl v done if anything
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: to mark out and move a block of text: two alt-L followed by an alt-M at the new location
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: does notepad++ run in a linux CLI?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: what's 'marking out'?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I ctrl-x ctrl-v stuff like a boss on notepad++
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: mark out: highlight for moving
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can mark anything you want...
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mark for reference, and if you want to move it's just select, ctrlx and ctrl v
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: No Drakoth, for that you would use ed
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and mouse selection is way faster than alt-l x2
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: Zade what do you wanna do with an editor, you said you want to open plugins only
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but feel free to be a hipster haha
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: and to highlight a small rectangulr block in a midst of several lines, simply two ctl-K
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: and to highlight ANYTHING is simply click.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: regardless of size
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: to program new pluggins, require to learn how to interface Lua programming with the Aard client, and that requires looking at previous pluggins
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I can do like 7 different languages and use 4 frequently, notepad++ is perfectly fine
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and has tabs
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Heh, if you learn the keyboard shortcuts well you won't need to move your hand to the mouse.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: But the trouble is, you have to learn them...
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and has sweet bookmark/mark
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I still haven't used all the registers available in vim, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: And I use arrow keys rather than hjkl.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: small rectangular blocks are great for moving tables -- suppose may be done with a mouse if click at the upperleft and release at the lowerright
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mouse is faster and more exact than moving cursor around with arrow keys
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: assuming you have decent hand eye coordination from lots of fps games!
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: If you have to touch the mouse, you're doing it wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: why
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: It's inefficient
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: alt-tab and alt-f4 is faster sometimes.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how is using the mouse inefficient
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: You have to move your hands
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: well, hand, at least
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: the alternative is to go downdowndowndowndowndown leftleftleftdowndowndown leftleft
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that sounds more inefficient to me
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if you could do it in a couple of key presses sure
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but i don't see that happening in editting code
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Then you're obviously not using a good enough editor
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: walk me through how you do it in your awesome editor?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: say you want to select and move a block of code
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: 6j is down 6 times
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: so 6 keypresses
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: No, that's 2 keypresses
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh so you first have to count how many lines to move
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Or use line numbers
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: If you can't do that math in your head, you have other issues
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: sure you can do the math but it takes a second
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: in that second i'm done with a mouse :)
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Whatever works for you. But I'm much faster with just the keyboard.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: one keypress of the down arrow and hold, then release when at the line 
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: play many fps games?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Yes, actually
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: 99% of coding is thinking about coding, the actual entry is such a silly thing for people to try to shave time off
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn noddles in total agreement at Captain HR Vakieh.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea well it's preference
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: just don't see how it's faster personally
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Madcatz Tech: Naming all your variables a, b, c, d, e, f, g cuts down on coding time, too.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Madcatz nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: haha
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Watch someone who knows how to use emacs do their thing. Then tell me how your editor is better.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: z2 = a32 - b3 
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Well, with code folding I can reproduce 300-line blocks of code with three keys, yyp...
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: VIM/EMACS masters truly are the fastest editors, but I'm not convinced it is due to their choice of editor so much as the editors themselves attract those already predisposed towards concise editing
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: perhaps 99% of coding is NOT fighting with the editor which insists on umpteen keypesses do something done a lot
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Duplicated code is not a good thing...
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Then again, if you are impressed by that, you should probably be thinking about why you need to reproduce 300 line blocks in the first place :P
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Vakieh: I was getting to that :P
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Myself, I can enter code in N++, Eclipse or VS faster than I can think up code to enter, and that is exactly as fast as I need my editor to be
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: My professor for AI in undergrad wrote a fairly robust rewrite system in Scheme using emacs in all of like 12 seconds
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I hate that scheme
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Deputy] Trurien rapidly nods twice at Captain HR Vakieh, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Avoid the religious battles where you can :P
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Scheme/Lisp is pure sex
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and damned prolog
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I prefer Haskell as an 'academic' language personally
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Hipster
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But same as Scheme/LISP is will never see mainstream use
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}NoSnail4U! Anaristos Tech: personally, I am a prolog fan.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: life's too short
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: I bet you like eating babies, too
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Cue fanbois telling me I'm wrong :-P Like how every year is going to be Linux's mainstream year
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: life's too short
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: he does
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: tbh my favourite language is a tossup between C# and Python.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I like c# too
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and sql
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: last language I used was xpress
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: SQL doesn't really count as a language so much as an interface
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: But C# and LINQ is so sexy with SQL.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: sql's a language tho
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: It is a language.  It's even Turing complete, though you really should only use it for it intended purpose of querying thing
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: So is HTML
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: English is a language.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: when almost every human develops an eidectic-memory replete with decent intelligence, maybe than Linux may become popular -- does Microsoft produce and supply a thick MANual book jampacked with arcane complex line commands for the common user - nope, microsoft likely endorsed  Windows for Dummies
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jhav Tech: (then again, sed is Turing complete as well, but you REALLY REALLY shouldn't use it that way)
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: eidetic*?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Zade: I don't appreciate being treated like a dummy.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I would split languages into communication languages, programming languages, markup languages and querying/interface languages. Each can to some extent perform the tasks of another, but they have their purpose and they should stick to that.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Oh damn, got a virus. Gotta reformat my system now.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: shrugs, Ubuntu is pretty freakin close to being usable, and I think Mint even more so, by the average person.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: on average tech anyway
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Ubuntu + Unity was a good effort, but it isn't usability that is the issue - it is the providor/vendor catch-22
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: the holdout issues seems to be video card acceleration (which is getting better now thanks to  Steam, haha) and obscure weird hardware like odd wireless cards in laptops
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Nobody will use Linux while the applications they want are not supplied for Linux. And no vendor will supply applications for Linux while the mainstream do not use Linux.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It is what makes projects like WINE so important
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you can install ubuntu and watch movies, and listen to music, for most people that's prolly enough
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: shrugs more and more applications are in the browser for a lot of people.  Linux does that just fine.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: but games that aren't ported you'd have to emulate
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: and some professional soft too
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: yeah but this notion that linux is hard to install/setup/operate is a little dated when you have distro's like mint. 
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Try running decent photo editing software on *nix without WINE.]
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: used to be hard, now it's prolly not as hard
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Nobody in industry uses GIMP
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: I remember spending days in highschool trying to make my soundcard work, and had no inet
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: Probably because of CYMK issues, but gimp is pretty effing good.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: GIMP is great, but Adobe is still the king
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I had hoped their cloud based would tank, but it seems not :-(
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Aizma Tech: Does MATLAB count as photo editing software? :p
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: uhh I thought matlab (or was it mathematica?) had a really good linux install
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Quadrapus Tech: Matlab is pretty good
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: a lot of products are dominant simply because everyone uses them
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Octave can be used too.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: network effects are very important
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: but i don't quite recall
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: mis
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: you study soft in uni, then you start a job and they use windows soft, it's unlikely you gonna start using linux substitutes
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods at TrEz.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: I'm using Linux in a Windows-dominated company though.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Sysadmin?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: Me? Not officially. I do poke around on some servers.
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: it's more of a hobby then
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: heh in my company there is practically everything, I use linux as do several others, lots of windows, lots of mac's, and I think a few bsd's
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Deputy] Trurien Tech: What's more of a hobby, TrEz?
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: use a lot of redhat, centos and oracle linux
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Drakoth Tech: ugh, i got a new phone charger and it makes a very high pitched noise in 2 frequiencies switching back and forth.. is there a way to fix this or do i just buy a new charger?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: If it's new, take it back. High pitched whine sounds like micro-arcing
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: anyone know if xbmc can work with rsshandler? Or if rsshandler is even needed to work with xbmc's rss capability? or perhaps has a suggestion on how to get catch youtube channels so they can be viewed via xbmc without a youtube/google account?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Can I get a recommendation of an up-to-date sharp tracker that tracks gold, quests, kills etc?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1njhCFO-ScBWmpqMmJZcFhMOWc/edit?pli=1
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Thank you very much.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Run-time error Plugin: Sharptracker (called from world: Aardwolf) Immediate execution [string "Alias: "]:82: attempt to concatenate global 'tempstorage' (a nil value) stack traceback: [string "Alias: "]:82: in main chunk [C]: in function 'Execute' [string "Timer: "]:1: in main chunk
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: whats that all about?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Keldrath Tech: whatever's supposed to be setting 'tempstorage' isnt
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: is my mushclient at fault or is it a code error in the tracker?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: was that on install? or did you forget to set it up by typing st_reset
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: AHA that was the problem!
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Thank you Remarto :)
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: you can find all the commands here http://opochtli.freewebhost.co.nz/aardwolf-mud/mushclient-script/ for it
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: thank you very much.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooven Tech: howcome my mushclient mapper gets reset in some areas everytime i log in?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Did you install mush into Program Files in windows 7 or 8?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooven Tech: windows 7
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: So did you?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooven Tech: whats the default file directory for mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Not sure there is one, isn't it a zip?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Point is it needs to be in a user directory, not a program directory
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Or you can run it as admin
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}DragoDrake Dragoknight Tech: where do i download blowtorchal aard
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Velian Tech: Anyone have an idea (windows 8) why when i hit the tab key my mousepad on my laptop doesn't work for a few seconds?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: perhaps dumb question...I just upgraded my internet from 15d/2u to 30d/5u... will it make a difference for Aard?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: no. only latency matters
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Piffaron Tech: ok, thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Seltsimees Dagnir Tech: type mccp and you'll see how little data aard uses
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: Does anyone know of a plugin that will sort out your container by level?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: That sounds like an extreme plugin :D
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mye Tech: invsort <container>
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: invsort will do that.. not even a script
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Swangin Tech: I'm trying to put all the level 200 items into a container, and nothing else
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I use one container for misc, another for ores, and a third for portals :P
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: It's such a pleasure to update and bugfix my plugins, daily :D
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}North Westclox Tech: (K)(M) Hot Wok of Qong (201)
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Hmm, interesting, my mapper is saying my room name is "The Lower Astral Plane" when it's actually "In a Great Field on Arcadia". The GMCP is showing the right name. Is something up with my mapper or does the upper planes do something funky?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Wehn you say your mapper, is it the clickable one, or the ascii one?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: And what client?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: tintin++
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: ahh well then, no clue, but my first suspicion was that map tags somehow got turned off.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Where is Abelinc....He knows all!
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}TrEz Tech: why do people use tintin
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: It's an excellent command line client.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Ok, so tags says that map, mapexits and mapnames are all turned on.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: My next suspicion is that screen to tmux stopped updating the window...
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: I am on linux Trez, so I prefer command line things. In order to use mush, I'd need to install a windows emulator and I don't want to do that.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: And it doesn't update when you type "map" Loreli?  I'm assuming this is an ascii map, not something generated from Tintin's mapper.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: It does not Mendaloth. I tried moving around, every room is marked as The Lower Planes. It shows the exits and everything, just not the correct name.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Tried moving around in addition to typing "map" several times in each room, I mean.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: So wait are the exits changing?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: funny, you don't need an emulator to run MUSHclient on linux
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Ayasinda perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Turie uses an emulator to run an emulator.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Ok, for instance,I just entered the Arcadia pool. #map info shows the room name as "The Lower Astral Plane", it shows 2 exits (e, w) both leading to "The Lower Astral Plane" with different vnums. Of course, the "map" shows exits n, e, s, w, u.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Can you reset the map? any command for it.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: I was under the impression one needs WINE to run mushclient Bast.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: reset the entire map Kosirk?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Is it a plugin that you can restart? I mean.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bast Tech: wine isn't an emulator, it isn't running windows code in a vm, it is a layer of code that converts the Windows api into a POSIX environment
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: I'm not sure if it works that way Kosirk, given it's more of a script;however, I'm not an expert so I'll do some research. Thanks for the suggestion.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: Check it's doc/code for commands :)
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Loreli Tech: Yes Bast, you're right. Of course Wine once meant Windows Emulator, but it's moved on from that. I was just using less precise language to make a quick point. Thanks for clarifying. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Oh man. Wine is like the world's most amazing software project. People who don't like it don't understand software.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Obonsai Tech: preach it!
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Medic Fluffhead Tech: I like wine. It makes me happy.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Medic Fluffhead Tech: I'm using it right now, in fact. :D
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: It's going to be Mono that gets *nix mainstream though
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: Maybe. I'm not convinced that .NET is significantly meaningful for any home stuff yet.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: C# is a really nice language, but it's still not that common.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: learning.net is really good for adding to a resume
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: .NET means games, which means purchasing base
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: I don't know what games are made with .NET, but that's not really my industry.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Most of the big ones use the various visual c/++ or C# redistributables.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dark Angel Azaezel Tech: can I get the addy to a site to check my internet speed?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: 4x4.com
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: http://www.speedtest.net/
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dark Angel Azaezel Tech: thanks a lot
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: All of the speedtest.net and such speeds are total crap. Try downloading some large thing from Microsoft or Google or something, that will tell you your actual speeds
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: just tried it. speedtest.net is horribly wrong
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Jerk Fiendish Tech: http://www.broadband.gov/qualitytest/
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Mokg, how do you know speedtest is wrong vs you aren't getting advertised speeds?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Speedtest is usually higher than actual by a sizable margin
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Also it's megaBITS.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: There's also the ping counterpart to SpeedTest...
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: because I can download something at over twice what it says right now
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: says 16 megabits/second. I can download something right now at ~37
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Insane Xantcha Tech: Remember half the measurement in speedtest is the server you're hitting against... try another
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: only one server within 3000 miles
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: dat island MS
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Frostpaw Tech: easier to setup mush mapper portals via aliases?
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Mendaloth Tech: Certainly better Frostpaw, that way if you change your portal bag or something it's only one alias or variable you have to update.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: okay. hawaii server is garbage. san jose server shows 36.56 mbps which is accurate
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trainer Mokg Tech: I only pay for 30/5 and it used to be 100% on the mark. past month it jumped up to ~37/5.5. not sure why
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is there any damage tracker script out there?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: for mush
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what is wrong with dtrack ?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: doesn't track damage taken
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Invite Tiana Tech: has anyone tried to mush from a surface rt?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Invite Tiana Tech: and gotten it to work?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm not sure, Redryn, but I think Opo might have one.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: was kinda hoping for a public one
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Used to be public, just can't remember the site anymore.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Er, finger Opochtli...
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is it sharptracker?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: It might be. I'm not 100% sure. I just seem to remember something about damage.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: sharptracker doesent track damage taken as far as im aware
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: From the looks of it on the website, doesn't seem to be it. I've never messed with it, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: im useing the most up to date sharptracker and i havent seen a damage tracker
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ah, it tracks dodges, not damage. Wrong "d"
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: yea :P
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Well, rats.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: oh well
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: tho a damage tracker might be nice, think ill work on one
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: that's fine i guess, will just have to make something for my purposes
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I used to have a damage tracker myself.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i had one on zmud
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: never bothered converting to mush cos of dtrack
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: can steal the regex though haha
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I'm thinking of writing a damage tracker now in Lua.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: do it!
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I table.save to text files, though, which requires the table.save functions. *sigh* It's like 700 lines of code, which I could incorporate into plugins and whatnot for public use. Just bothersome.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: [Outlaw] Remarto rapidly nods twice at Redryn, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: cant you make them a lua file?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: My trackerdb file is like that. Saves everything to a local file.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: yea, can't you just copy that :p
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Remarto: I can, but how many people really want to (or would understand how) to use external files they have to download that they can't just add directly to MUSH?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: There's always someone who asks, "Where do I put this file at now? It's not working!"
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: hmm true, sometimes some people should just figure it out...
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I really should dig up the files, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: anyone know why my old version of mush  just stoped working?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elysian Tech: gremlins
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: says the mushclient crashed and won't start...
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: That ranks #7 on my 'most vague tech queries' 2013
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: lol... yes i know... i could give you the error message but i just downloaded another version of mush and transfered my stuff into the new one
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: I guess the only question is "what did you change" and remember that if the answer to that question is "nothing", you really mean "something, but I don't know"
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: i reinstalled my antivirus software...
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: how do you get the {affon} to go away?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[Outlaw] Remarto Tech: taggs spellup off i think
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sonshi Tech: must be one of the tags...
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Cryos Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dtboy Tech: whats bastmush website?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: ttp://code.google.com/p/bastmush
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: finger bast
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dtboy Tech: ty
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: NO worries
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Does anyone know a script for a mapped network drive that connects the drive automatically after every reboot
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: net use X: \\server\share /persistent:yes
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: ill try that, thank you very much.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: no worries
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: and i write the script in a .bat file right?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: yeah for that command a .bat will do
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Great stuff.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: actually, for that you should be able to just run it once from a command line once and it'll reconnect itself anyway
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: ok, but if it reboots on its own will it reconnect on its own aswell (if i decide to do the command line)
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: or will the .bat file be a safer method?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: the /persistent:yes part of it tells it to save the mapping so that it should try to map it at every logon, it might not succeed but it should keep trying. that'll be regardless of how the computer's rebooted, the only caveat is that it'll be saved only for that user on the computer.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: a common way to do it reliably is to have a batch file as a login script, that deletes the drive and then remaps it, so 2 lines.. net use X: /delete, then net use X: \\server\share
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Ok thanks, can i send you a tell if i have further questions?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: lots of ways to skin a cat..
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: sure!
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Taste The Alestorm Tech: Much appreciated.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kosirk Tech: I can't believe Bast hasn't made a plugin to display current mobs in the room ><
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Huh? Called 'look'
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Any android users I highly recommend PushBullet. At first I just thought it was a cool replacement for Chrome2Phone extension since you can push to/from any devices. I just found out about the API though so you can send push notifications from your client or whatever you want.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: http://pushbullet.com
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: http://lushmullet.com
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: Is there a way to make it so the room name isn't on my prompt when I enter a room? Example: [441/441hp 367/367mn 354/726mv 0qt 657tnl] > Fantasizing
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: try help prompt
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: I did and I couldn't find anything relating to that. It only shows up on my prompt sometimes
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Ayasinda's correct, though.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: i never get that
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: You don't have %c at the end of your prompt, which gives a new line.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: So, build your prompt, put %c at the end, and the room name will not show up on your prompt line again.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Jaiven Tech: thank you!
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Make sure you get battle prompt too. ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: Actually I was wrong. Help prompt doesn't mention you need to end yout prompt with %%c
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: no, but it does mention that there's a token for room name if you want it
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: so until the "only sometimes", it could've gone either way
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Regardless, it mentions what %c does, so it was, more or less, on the right path, even if it wasn't clearly communicated. ;)
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheana Tech: how do i make mush play a sound when its time to quest?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: trigger on the quest message, and tell the trigger to play sound
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: when it's time for you to quest, copy that message, go to game -> configure -> triggers, click add, paste it into the top and go to the sound part of that window to select a file to play
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sheana Tech: thank you!
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: In the trigger window, click on the Add, Look for Sound on the lower right side.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arnica Tech: Then wait one day, and disable that trigger :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: Heh, didn't know that Microsoft admitted to some Xbox One disk drives having problems.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: i put my games on flash drives now incase cd drive fails
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I still want a ps4.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Book of Etzli sighs.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: ya i would get a ps4 >xbox one
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: because of the bunduru?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: I've always been a Playstation "fanboy", really.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: i don't own any of those but i like what they tried to do with ps3
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: just wish they were backwards compatible
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: i have xbox 360 slim from last year's black friday
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: exactly kilfer why i'll get ps4 instead of xbox1
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: are the ps4 backwards compatible?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: should be
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: i normally wait a few months after they come out so they can work the kinks outta them
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: nods
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: whats wrong with having all of them lined up like little soldiers?
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ShadowWalker Tech: less is more imo
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: in a few years, there will be just a lil' usb-stick-type machines. you plug them into anything and they can do pretty much anything for you
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: still talking about game consoles
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: anything hardly u will plug them directly into your brain
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: and we will be cyborgs
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: if you are one, you wouldn't complain.
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: cyborgs will be for the rich, you'll just be a serf
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kilfer Tech: Nah the rich will be human the rest will be cyborgs programmed to work for them 
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: whatever, you'll be a serf
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if you're alive at all
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: question...in zmud I was using the variable dual weapon, then in field dagger. So I had an alias setup that was rem ualweapon...how would that be phrased properly to work in mushclient?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: same
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: @variablename
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: sorry thats supposed to read @dualweapon
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: check the "expand variables" checkbox
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: thanks
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: just now starting to setup mush...so I may have more questions...rewriting all my aliases is a pain
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: What's a good wireless channel analyzer? everyone just use inSSIDer ?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: SSD's are great for laptops, for speed, for power conservation and reliability, so why do most laptops still not come with them?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: It isn't marketable.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Azash Tech: Because they are still a bit expensive, I would guess.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: $50 premium?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: big deal!
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Forfiter Tech: i wonder why laptops are not 4:3 anymore since all muds are vertical oriented
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Mushambo Tech: Average consumers aren't down with "the cloud" yet, so they want local storage and as with megapixels, the assumption is higher number is always better
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: Laptops w\ mechanical disks will never post IOPS because then they know that number can be compared to SSD equipped laptops. The market sucks (for the seller) when customers can make informed decisions.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Forfiter Tech: you mean the cannot be compared...
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: 128gb is fine for a laptop
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: it's about what my desktop has, and i haven't run out yet
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: can/could
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: maybe if you want to download considerable amounts of porn
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: but shopping for an elderly neighbour who's new to the internet, he won't be doing that
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and they all come with windows 8, ugh
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}WarPigs Tech: classic shell
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i got a new router a few days ago, and ever since then i've been getting sporadic disconnections, but only on one computer out of the dozen or so devices connected to it... any idea what could cause that?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: sloppy cabling?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: check the router logs
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: check the router logs
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: since it's only on the one computer i'd think it would be something wrong with the wireless adapter or something, but it's too coincidental that it happened the same day i got the new router...
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: oops
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: compatibility issues
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: all wireless, ontuct
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: what am i looking for in the logs exactly? there's nothing in the past 9 hours and it happened about an hour ago
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's mainly filled with a lot of these: Nov 29 03:14:05 [DHCP]: [SERVER]  DHCP_ACK sent
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: tried a different wireless channel?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: I don't know what you are looking for. Look for abnormal things.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: oh, hang on, the log isn't all chronological
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pleiades Tech: what IP address is assigned to the pc at the moment?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 192.168.2.12
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: tigernuts: i did try a couple different ones, but it only happens on the one device...
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: if it was noise, wouldn't it affect my phone two feet from this computer too?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: maybe, maybe not. what's the signal strength like?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 4/5 bars (is there a better way to check that? :P)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd try an alternative adaptor
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: there's nothing in the log around when i disconnected
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: Nov 29 11:55:51 [DHCP]: [SERVER]  DHCP_ACK sent // 11:58 (last timestamp from the mud) // Nov 29 12:01:27 [SYSTEM]: [UPnP]: Entry Add
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: try updating firmwares on both ends, if that doesn't work i'd say you're out of luck
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: i'd probably not touch the firmware on the router until last
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: driver update on the device maybe?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: i'll look
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: i've only ever solved sporadic d/cs in 2 ways: changing firmware or changing hardware
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: granted i'm no techie but they're terrible to deal with
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: try moving the wireless card from the problem computer to another.  to find out if it is the card.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: the adapter worked fine with the old router though :(
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, that's a good idea
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: and for that matter, it works fine now too, when it's connected :P
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: how old is your wireless card?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 3 years
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: router?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it's a usb adapter though, not card
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: different wireless standards?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: got the router monday, they're both 802.11n
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: there's a 5000 and 2400 freq n standard i think
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: this one is 2.4Ghz
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: would the other router have it written on it? i don't have it hooked up to test...
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: but i assume the older one would be that too?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: if it's a new router it might well be 5000
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: googling the model could probably tell you :p
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: it says 2.4 :P
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: I thought N does both frequencies. 2.4 and 5
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: some only do one of them
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: like iphones only do 2400 i think
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you could set your router to only use g maybe
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: see if it makes a difference
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Book of Etzli Tech: iPhones can take 5G...
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ontuct Tech: maybe it drops out whenever a neighbour microwaves a cup of coffee.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: haha
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: or your cordless phone rings?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: yeah, google says the old one was 2.4Ghz too
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: is your new router 5000 or 2400?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}The Reaper Myrkul Tech: 2400
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Redryn Tech: you can try using a wifi scanning prog and see if there are other wifi stuff in the channel maybe
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ayasinda Tech: maybe when Myrkul's wifi problems are solved, I can ask about my wifi problem.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: I am switching to MUSH currently. I have many triggers based around my prot spells fading away. Is there a script that can automate that for me so that i do not have to remake 60+ triggers?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: all you have to do is type spellup learned
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Sickerone Tech: winkle winkle spellup script
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: thanks thats a beautifully simple script
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Twitter Roninleader Tech: its been so long since I added a plugin to mush. I can't remember how to do it now. :P
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: Heard about bitcoin and would like to try it out? I'll gladly answer all your questions and help you out getting started :)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: You mean the $1000 per unit bubble just waiting to devastate the livelihoods of thousands?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: price is one of the least interesting aspects about it
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: bitcoin is extremely valuable at $0.01 and at $100,000.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: price doesn't matter
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Until employers pay in bitcoin, price remains the single most important factor
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Afterwards, price remains the single most important factor, but you compare against a consumer basket instead of an exchange currency
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Kuznazh Tech: im interested in bitcoin regardless of its price
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pumpkin Tech: It is certainly possible that the price could tumble down 5-10 times very quickly, it's extremely risky speculation. But just to call it a bubble is extremely foolish.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: Its price reflects primarily speculative pressures - it is not a price which reflects current value.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: That's pretty much the definition of a bubble
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: so, must to a byte coin next. then i get rich too
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: do*
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}2/3 Flying VampireDude Tech: hwuaijijal just find an unclaimed block in the bitcoin stack
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: $50,000 payday
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: how do i make mush remember the command line?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: how do I make mush save commands? when I send something from the command line it is not saved in the buffer
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: in keyboard preferences i belive.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: global pref - commands - right side top box
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: check also ctrl+h
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: under control H its empty
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: trying to use a variable...what symbol do I place in front of it so that its picked up in the alias?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: in mush? none.  
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: ok, in zmud I would use @dual weapon, so that I could remove X weapon for portal use, then only having to change that one item instead of each portal alias
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Nagadar, you saying that mushclient inefficiently treats everything typed as a potential variable (wasting cpu cycles looking up variable tables on everthing)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: no I am saying today I switched to MUSh, and I am trying to figure out how it works LOL
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: I don't know about cpu cycles, but when I type in let's say 'ep' muchclient processes it before it gets sent to aardwolf server and picks up what it neds to do on my alias list.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: at least cmud/zmud waits until a @ before looking through variable-list
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: it still has to figure out where the is, Zade.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: a "variable" is different" to an "alias"
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: at least with CMud the scripts are compiled and the lookup is only done once.  In ZMud, the lookup is done at runtime.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: 'ep' is what i use for enter portal.  where it is short for 'hold garbage can'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: then enter garbage
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: change and hold whatever is more useflul.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: Dranged is looking for the prefix symbol to variables syntax in mushclient, not the alias prefix (which is the invisible start of line in cmud (and mushclient))
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Negader Tech: on this webpage:  http://www.gammon.com.au/forum/?id=6030   there is something called function target alias.  is this something like it?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: figured it out...@ is ok to use, I did not expand the variable. Clannie helped me figure it out
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zade Tech: "clannie" - namedropping - attempting to rub the noses of the unclanned (and unclanned) into the excrement that you are clanned -- xchan -- like somebody saying "hubby"  (you are married are you, may you be unhappily divorced soon)) - xchan
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Dolt comforts Zade.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gym Leader Mokg Tech: ?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ta'Veren Dranged Tech: sorry zade, not my intent...I am just really frustrated with this conversion...i want to get back to playing
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Hanslanda Tech: would be wrong to make a trigger that subs every mention of Zade with Starling?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: down with clannies!
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: hehe
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: Zade ponders a triiger that subs every mention of Hanslanda with Kojiro -- but that may be praising Hanslanda, so nope 
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lecithin Tech: i've got a pretty old wireless router (linksys WRT54GL).  It still appears to be running well but I'm wondering when the best time to upgrade it is.  Wait until it fizzles out or take pre emptive measures now?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: if it ain't broke, why fix it?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Lecithin Tech: i guess that is essentially the answer im looking for:)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: curious, to linksys at home routers actually build routing statements and tables with ospf, or they just a glorified gateway device/switch?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: don't know, you'd have to look 'em up. All i know is that most routers have attrocious security with glitches and backdoors in them
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: and pretty much every router aimed at the home market is built as cheaply as possible
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: i suppose what i'm saying is, are home routers even routers. :)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tigernuts Tech: you'll have to look it up :-)
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: really doesn't seem like they are to me, from someone who worked with commercial equipment, but maybe recent models are different
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Dolt Tech: yeah I don't think so either, there's no real need for any real routing protocols on a home router. It's more about being a gateway/firewall.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Caramel Milkshake Tech: ugh, uber fail.  I love how most websites around a tech use a mishmash of marketing words instead of explaining to a potential developer what the hell the tech is.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: How do I reset Mush's windows again?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: aardreset
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: resetaard I mean
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: That did something, but I can't see my map window =/
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}ZethAnun Tech: what does linkdead mean?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}[**NOPK**] Redwood Tech: not connected but didnt quit out.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: My map window in mush is gone. How do I put it back?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Mapper window?
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Yes
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Well both maps
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: Mapper show
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: Nothing happens
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: I'm guessing it's out of my monitor's range
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Turie Tech: See if the plugins are loaded.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bamboo Tech: They are =/
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Domovoy Tech: is there any way to substitute part of input line in Mush?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: using the aard mush client, how can I disable the auto spellup? it's ruining my notes
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Captain HR Vakieh Tech: There is no auto spellup in aard mush client. You have added it separately, and how to switch it off will depend on exactly what you have added
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ehrsul Tech: someone else helped, spellup none works.
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: we have like 6 computers using 1,2mb/s - wifi. its all well until someone starts using torrent. even if the download speed is way smaller than that 1,2, it still manages to clog up the whole thing. meh.. whats with that? torrent programs doing some secret work also or.. ? 
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Linoge Tech: what about their upload?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Pooky Tech: limit the max peers maybe
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: hm. i'll try that
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: ANYONE ELSE'S TOASTER NOT WORKING THIS MORNING?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: blame the elves
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: HELLO? HOW DO I MAKE THEM HEAR ME
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: use megacaps
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: I CANT FIND THE MEGACAPS AND IM SCREAMING AS LOUD AS I CAN WHERE ARE THEY
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Gener Tech: it is right next to the anykey
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}.... Hwuaijijal Tech: you are 3 sentences away from chanban:p
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Definitely Defines Tech: Randy, I AM the chanban
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Naud Tech: how do i change the text size on aard mush
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bunnyy Tech: is there a quick way to mark a whole area's worth of rooms as noportal?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: only using database commands, not recommended...the mapper automatically marks rooms noportal and norecall as it sees them...go deep into the area, then try a mapper goto a portal landing spot
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Bunnyy Tech: so i have to go to each room in the area and try portalling out of all of them to mark them as such?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: naud: to change the size of the main window, go to game -> configure -> output and look at the Font section...to change the size of miniwindows, most offer a right-click option
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Anyone have any input on a new wireless router for home use these days? Preferably something I can set up for VPN from an android device.. can always use something like Tomato or DD-WRT for this purpose. But I'm lost on the hardware itself these days
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: why not any capable of running tomato / dd-wrt
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Because that doesn't really narrow it down a whole lot =p
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: what about: https://www.bestvpn.com/blog/5820/5-best-routers-for-dd-wrt-with-vpn/
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: when i bought my last one WRT54G-L as kind of the one to get.. but thats been years ago
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Worth a look.
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: seems like external antennas are largely gone
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: seems that USB port can be useful
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: http://www.flashrouters.com/blog/2012/02/12/2012-best-and-most-recommended-ddwrt-wireless-n-routers-for-installing-running-open-source-firmware/
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Elxi Tech: Until my last purchase I used to think one wireless router was as good as another. Boy was I wrong.
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Nod, they can be. Though, since I've got a media server already, I don't think it would be terribly beneficial
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: I tend to think that too Elxi. But thats mostly since my needs generally arent high, so even a low grade model is fine if its reliable
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: depends on the application.. most of the time they are
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: wonder if its time for a new cable modem too, while i'm at it
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: holy crap, what the hell happened to the geeks.com store?!?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: First router on that second page, E4200 is the same from the previous one i was looking at. nice
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: I've been ordering there since it was computergeeks.com
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Tech: and got my current wireless router from there for like $15 bucks around 5 years ago :P
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Trachx Tech: tech WRT54G devices look nice especially DIY mods - http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Hardware_DIY
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Nod, Just 10/100 ethernet, and Wireless G only
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Nice. seperate guest ssid on that model.
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Daloran Tech: Well, thanks for the links =)
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Arindel Tech: hey is anyone here familiar with alpha-beta pruning? 
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Legendary Gruagach Tech: minmax dat search
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: Whenever i open abelincs logs in firefox, the browser stops responding for like a minute. What would be the cause of that/how can i fix that?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Zetkax Tech: its a big file to load
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Too much data, swap windows and do something else for 60 seconds
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: Ok. I didn't think a text file would crash ff.
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ixle Tech: Did it crash or just stall?
T3/r7/2013-11-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=tech}Ryv Tech: Stall